Comments on: Viral vs Intellectual, the quest for survival. https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/viral-vs-intellectual-the-quest-for-survival/ Wimminz Sun, 08 Apr 2018 01:13:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: wimminz https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/viral-vs-intellectual-the-quest-for-survival/#comment-86 Sat, 14 May 2011 09:23:20 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=597#comment-86 mmm, except we are IN a 20 year depression, and have been ever since we started outsourcing etc… you can NEVER see these things from within.

The Weimar Republic had hyperinflation and crashed and burned real fast, but they spent 20 years building the bonfire under themselves, just as we in the west have been doing….

thanks for the comments, all commenters, by the way

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By: ThousandMileMargin https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/viral-vs-intellectual-the-quest-for-survival/#comment-85 Sat, 14 May 2011 09:17:27 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=597#comment-85 I agree there’s little prospect of a return to any previous legal system, unless things get so bad people start getting nostalgic for the 19th century.

“Moving forward” to me means a new seasons in which the weather kills off the daffodils. In other words, the social climate becomes frosty towards the idea of giving women a free ride.

There are two broad areas where women get a free ride. First, they can get reasonably well paid job in which they produce very little of value, so they don’t need a man to support them. Second, they can get benefits and services from the government that far outweigh what little taxes they pay – education, healthcare, family court and police enforcement of claims against men.

So the end of the free ride implies that economic and social conditions will create a much tougher work environment, where there are fewer jobs for unproductive people and employers don’t tolerate any slackers. And it also implies a greatly reduced tolerance for government waste, handouts and benefits and bureaucratic interference in peoples lives.

Tough workplaces presuppose a great depression or a permanent downshift in the developed economies. Small government can only come about if tax revenues collapse, governments are forced to rein in spending by an inability to borrow, and it becomes politically impossible to raise taxes to cover spending because incomes have collapsed.

In other words, if the West gets poor enough, governments will be broke and forced to slash public sector employment, slash benefits, slash services, and this will involve a reduction in areas like “child protection”, family court and police enforcement of frivolous claims.
Employers will be demanding that everyone work hard, even women, and there will be no more cushy jobs that produce nothing.

But this kind of “permanent depression” scenario can only happen after governments lose their ability to borrow. But if they can’t borrow, they’ll just print money. So they have to lose the ability to print as well – which would happen if inflation gets so out of control that it becomes the number one political issue, and governments who print money get thrown out.

So maybe I can see this. The West slides into a long term economic funk as our bankrupt policies catch up with us. Governments print money to keep the whole charage going, but eventually inflation gets so out of control that people are struggling to put food on the table and they take to the streets demanding change. A {new?) party at the next election promises to end inflation, balance the budget and stop printing money, but warn they will have to make HUGE cuts to government programs in EVERY area to achieve this. Things are so bad that they actually get elected in on a program of “blood, sweat and tears” and they make drastic cuts to all programs.

The result is that there is smaller government, lower pay for everyone, fewer entitlements, less goverment interference, everyone works hard and minds there own business.

Women now find they have to work HARD to make ends meet, many are unemployed, it’s hard to find a man with a good job and the men are a lot less tolerant of bullshit because they have it tough too. Everyone is much poorer. The cops are too busy responding to break-ins to listen to false allegations.

The social mood is heavily against free-loaders so there is little tolerance for people who waste the courts time with lawsuits. Laws get changed to reduce payouts in the case of divorce because people have little tolerance for people who don’t work hard.

So I’m imagining a situation where economic conditions in the West approach that of the Third World, and because everyone is working hard and living poor they resent anyone who gets an easy ride, including lazy women.

To actually get to that point I think you’d need a twenty year depression, a period of high inflation bordering on hyperinflation that makes it hard just to put food on the table, a drop of living standards by at least half as First and Third world meet in the middle, the bankruptcy of our governments, and a sense that our society had failed and we’re all doing it tough, so we can’t tolerate people who don’t pull their weight.
Things have to get bad enough that you can run for office on a platform of turning the world upside down, and they’ll vote you in.

I think that’s possible, but not this decade.

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By: Anonymous age 69 https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/viral-vs-intellectual-the-quest-for-survival/#comment-83 Fri, 13 May 2011 00:34:52 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=597#comment-83 I subscribed to MS. magazine for many years until perhaps the late 80’s. And, they said there was a national organization which met to scheme. A few weeks after they stated their plan in MS. it would be in the news. If you would like to believe your own unsupported theory of an absence of a feminist planning organization, feel free, but don’t be surprised if some of us don’t buy it.

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By: Zilchy https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/viral-vs-intellectual-the-quest-for-survival/#comment-82 Thu, 12 May 2011 21:16:26 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=597#comment-82 “To do that, we need to roll back ALL the changes in rape and sexual assault legislation to around 1970, and in practical terms that is rather like sitting in a field full of daffodils and stating that all you need to do is roll back the climate to (northern hemisphere) January 12th, and everything will be fine…

NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.”

No doubts on this one! It would take a complete reversal of entropy. I do like this post and will have to read it a few more times to fully absorb it’s beauty.

P.S. A NSFH warning would have been nice! Jesus Christ! H=Humanity!

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By: Rumour https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/viral-vs-intellectual-the-quest-for-survival/#comment-81 Thu, 12 May 2011 15:20:20 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=597#comment-81 In America states are reimbursed by the federal government for child support enforcement, including jailing those who are behind in support. On the other hand, common criminals jail expenses are paid for by the state. So, in an overcrowding situation who do you think they let out first … the guy who broke into your home or the guy who lost his job and fell behind on his support payments? There is more fiscal incentive to detain the “deadbeat.”

Where there is incentive to do wrong, wrong is usually done.

I do agree with you though, there is no going back, only forward. All large empires in history crumble from within.

So … how do we help it along?

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