Comments on: Duty, and the death of the MIL joke https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/duty-and-the-death-of-the-mil-joke/ Wimminz Sun, 08 Apr 2018 01:13:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: wimminz https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/duty-and-the-death-of-the-mil-joke/#comment-6449 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 10:08:04 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=3869#comment-6449 Burma??? Not heard of the Burma Railway then? Friendly lines was the base at Calcutta.. he spoke no languages, and they picked him because he was a signaller, so he had the skill to operate the transmitter.

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By: B https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/duty-and-the-death-of-the-mil-joke/#comment-6447 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 07:43:22 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=3869#comment-6447 That is crazy. Where did he cross into friendly lines-Burma? Did he speak any of the languages on the way? And why did they pick him to leave behind in Singapore?

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By: wimminz https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/duty-and-the-death-of-the-mil-joke/#comment-6441 Sat, 28 Dec 2013 23:06:55 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=3869#comment-6441 walked, rides along the coast in native boats and canoes, some villagers gave him old sinking canoes just to be rid of him in case the japs appeared… but 2,000 miles in 300 days is under 7 miles a day… while hiding and foraging…

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By: B https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/duty-and-the-death-of-the-mil-joke/#comment-6439 Sat, 28 Dec 2013 22:54:36 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=3869#comment-6439 How did he get from Singapore to Calcutta?

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By: Tim https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/duty-and-the-death-of-the-mil-joke/#comment-6438 Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:36:26 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=3869#comment-6438 Absolutely brilliant! You deserve a Nobel prize in sociology, if there is any such thing!

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By: WhatsNew https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/duty-and-the-death-of-the-mil-joke/#comment-6433 Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:34:38 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=3869#comment-6433 Your noticing the mother-in-law jokes is remarkable as a lot of your arguments…

But you may not realize that mother-in-law- jokes and their disappearance are a sign that your point in earlier post that the “patriarchy” has waned is quite wrong, because what has happened is that the ‘matriarchy’, or perhaps it should be called the ‘matronarchy’ (rule of old mothers and old women) has waned.

For a very long time “western civilization” cultures have been run for the benefit of women and in effect by women, and in particular by mothers-in-law. There have been two separate social hierarchies, for women and for men, and being in the women’s one has always been a lot easier than in the men’s one, as your WW2 stories remind us.

But the main point is that for a very long time most all women have considered men as livestock: properties, tools, objects to be acquired and controller for their benefit. In particular children, male children, to be raised and controlled as pension investments, and husbands to be acquired and domesticated as the providers of funds for those pension investments (and “alphas” as the providers of sperm to have the best pension investment).

Because the power and comfort of a woman was proportional to the value of her male livestock, the husband she could control, and the sons whe could make work for her; and they competed ferociously to acquire and raise the best livestock.

With obvious “features” as putting enormous pressure on the male children to become more valuable pension investments (which still happens with Japanese/Italian/Jewish mothers), and extensive abortion of female children as they could worse less hard and longer than male children, and would be rivals in sharing the profits of her pension investment in her sons.

Mothers would only accept willingly their son’s wives when they generated grandchildren for them (more pension investments) and would work hard along with their husbands for their benefit, and often required dowries to accept in their house a less productive son’s wife. This still happens in India (see recent Economist article) and in China where women pay gansters to kidnap other women’s male sons to add them to their investment portfolio.

While the matriarchy/matronarchy was ruling western world cultures wars were common and ferocious (fought by men, with women as the main beneficiaries), and ‘civilization’ happened, because women like the comforts of civilized life, and made men work really hard to build it.

The inducement the matriarchy-matronarchy offered was reliable paternity of the first-born, by keeping virginity or at least monogamy until marriage: IIRC until 1950 95% of women in western world countries were virgin on marriage or engagement. Because most males, but surely alpha males, knew very well how monogamous women are when the tingle drives them. In other words women’s matriarchy allowed men to have patrilineality (which is not the same as patriarchy).

For a couple of very different reasons women in the last century have chosen to abandon matriarchy, and to push for patriarchy (and matrilineality). Because the current culture is all about women benefiting “alpha”s. There has been a giant transfer of power and resources from women to men *overall*, with “dutiful bores” getting completely shafted and “alphas” becoming able to pump and dump as much as they want and have children entirely paid for by their adoring pumpees and the taxes paid by “dutiful bores”.

It is this loss of power and resources by women to (“alpha”) men that has made mothers-in-law disappear. They no longer matter that much (except in India, and some other traditional cultures).

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By: Joe https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/duty-and-the-death-of-the-mil-joke/#comment-6427 Sat, 28 Dec 2013 04:52:39 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=3869#comment-6427 How about this one : “Alan Turing’s war contributions saved countless military lives, but he was convicted for being gay and sentenced to chemical castration.

Society was harsh back then. I wonder if he became disillusioned.

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