Comments on: Electric cars – again…. https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/ Wimminz Sun, 08 Apr 2018 01:13:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: freeman https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7686 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:13:41 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7686 Some good reads:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-11/ron-paul-questions-obamas-foreign-policy-rhetoric-does-not-match-us-actions
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-11/introducing-latest-tactic-governments-raise-cash

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By: wimminz https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7685 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:30:54 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7685 assholes can’t even build a fucking website that works without JS….

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By: freeman https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7684 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:16:49 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7684 Something like this is what I had in mind:
http://www.eliomotors.com/

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By: wimminz https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7683 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:06:18 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7683 The cheap chinese ones EVERYONE is fitting to their roofs have a half life of about 6 to 8 years…

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By: freeman https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7682 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:04:42 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7682 I haven’t done a great deal of research, but from what I’ve read, it seems the drop in efficiency is < 1%/year. http://info.cat.org.uk/questions/pv/life-expectancy-solar-PV-panels

My understanding of PV cells is pretty limited, but an power output decrease over time makes perfect sense. Breakdown of the outer layer from exposure to the sun and weathering would decrease the amount of photons reaching the semiconductor material. Also, and I may be wrong on this, my understanding is that the way they generate electricity is by having photons collide with electrons in the semiconductor, causing electrons to jump to a more excited state, allowing them to flow and generate electricity. Over time, that would suggest less electrons would be available in the material.

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By: wimminz https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7681 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:19:58 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7681 the word NOBODY wants to talk about with solar cells, what’s that, EFFICIENCY? No, not that word, this one, HALF-LIFE.

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By: freeman https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7680 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:15:30 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7680 Yea, electric cars simply don’t make sense from a financial or practical point of view. Limited range and energy transfer rates are a non-starter for most. The sunk cost of the lightweight materials, electronics, and battery usually wipe out any savings that would be had by using electricity as the fuel source. Many will argue that IC engines are only 30% efficient compared to the 85% efficiency achieved by electric motors, thus making electric cars more efficient. That fails to capture the true losses in the system, like the energy lost converting fuel into steam to power the mains turbine, the resistive losses from transmission of the electricity over the grid to the charging station, and the various losses from the voltage transformers within that system. Yes, you could argue that there is energy lost in transporting oil from the middle east and refining it, but my point is, it’s not such a clear comparison in terms of energy efficiency. Even in this example, the fuel used to generate the electricity could vary between coal/nuclear/gas/hydro/solar/wind/etc. and further change the equation.

A much more practical way of achieving an efficient vehicle would be to reduce a lot of the safety regulations relating to crash protection, allowing cars to become substantially lighter. If you’re thinking motorcycles with an outer shell, you’re on the right track. I’d envision a super-lightweight, low to the ground, 3-wheeled diesel with modest cargo space could seat two and achieve around 100mpg for an affordable price. Some interesting thoughts on the matter here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/fuel-economy/3374271-2. Going much further above 100mpg will probably give decreasing returns in efficiency per cost, require much more expensive materials and enter into the same territory as the electric cars in terms of market penetration.

Off topic, but alternative energy sources might not be such a bad idea for residential use. Solar cells are getting cheaper to produce, though more importantly, they may provide backup power in emergencies. While it may take decades for them to pay for themselves, they could prove necessary in the event that an increasingly fragile mains grid goes down in a major blackout. The main problem with solar is that it peaks in energy output at a time when energy is cheapest, so an energy storage system of NiMh batteries would likely be most practical in terms of payoff, and ability to use backup energy during the night. The batteries will need to be replaced after a while, though I’d expect them to last longer than any other backup generation system. YMMV

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By: hans https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7679 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:33:59 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7679 Kudos for hanging in there.
LOL @ hydrogen economy! Just like the windmills and centralized solar-farms it´s the same canard as our German “Energiewende”.
One energy-mafia(gasturbines) kicking the other(atomic pressure cooker) off the state-tit.

If it were actually a danger to the current bankster owned energy monopoly it wouldn´t get a single dime from their politician bitches.

That´s why the state subventions to private solar arrays got quickly canceled over here, when it actually looked like the decentralization of energy generation was on the verge of succeeding. Even though you weren´t allowed to use the power yourself but had to dump it in the grid first!

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By: hans https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7678 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:21:17 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7678 “3/ minimal energy was converted to heat, eg 100% regenerative braking, eg no drivetrain, just 4 in hub stepper motors carrying tyres.”
This and your other 3 bullet points!

I immediately said bullshit when the tester in the youtube vid remarked there was no “engine-breaking”. WTF!?!
I´m only an interested amateur but isn´t that the main fucking point of having an e-motor(s) driving your goddamn vehicle?

It´s like these bastards (yes even TESLA!) just aren´t allowed to build a proper e-car that plays to the strengths of the technology.
They probably even tried to figure out how to put a friggen gear box on these things.

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By: kfg https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/electric-cars-again/#comment-7676 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:35:25 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=4481#comment-7676 I’ve been trying to explain this shit to people since I was hired to design an electric car during Oil Crisis 1.0, and why the Prius is a retarded way to build a hybrid since it came out. Even if he didn’t have the technology to do it up right Ferdi understood the problem and the solution back in the 1890s.

They don’t listen any better now than they did then, even on “tech savvy” sites like Slashdot. I’m tired of it. You can take over the gig.

You can have “Hydrogen Economy” too if you want it.

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