Comments on: Brinksmanship https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/ Wimminz Sun, 08 Apr 2018 01:13:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: some random guy https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9591 Wed, 10 May 2017 02:32:55 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9591 I didn’t say 15%, that’s all yours. As to SLA Marshall, have you let the US Army know that you think so little of him? Based on his work they revamped much of the training syllabus for infantrymen. Hurry up, you’re only sixty years late.

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By: anon https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9587 Tue, 09 May 2017 16:56:55 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9587 I did a little research on your firing rate of 15%. It’s bullshit. SLA Marshall is fake news.

Always take the Englishman’s word over the USA.

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By: james https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9573 Sat, 06 May 2017 04:33:18 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9573 Interesting.

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By: some random guy https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9568 Fri, 05 May 2017 20:24:23 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9568 Ah, you took one of my many options. I’m with you, I believe there is a real live Englishman who was in Korea for the war, though he’s got to be pretty damn old by now. And I also believe that he heard and saw things and came up with an explanation. One that made him and his unit out to be good soldiers as opposed to those guys over there. Human nature.

As for soldiers not shooting in a war… contrary to movies and television, most humans have an inborn aversion to killing other humans. You’ll notice I said most. It seems to be somewhere around 95%. And if they do kill someone, say in a fit of jealous rage, they will deeply regret it.

So, how to get them to do something they really don’t want to do? You make them fire their weapons at roughly man shaped targets which pop up and go down. The brain is ok with it because you’re not shooting at people and there are minor rewards for doing well. Best of all you instill the HABIT of pulling your trigger when the silhouette of a man appears in your field of fire.

It’s what psychologists call operant conditioning. And the reason US soldiers had such problems doing it in the Korean era was because their training was too short, the targets were the standard “bullseye” and it was just assumed that troops would know what to do. That last is because officers and generals like to watch movies too.

Then you add in the 5% of humans that have no strictures about killing and those guys have no problem pulling the trigger. Also, you have crew served weapons, mortars, machine guns, anti-tank missiles and so on. These are under greater supervision than the average rifleman. There’s a sergeant or junior officer making sure these weapons are being used to good effect. These crew served weapons combined with artillery and air support do the vast majority of the killing.

Lol, I feel like I should write Cliffs Notes.

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By: anon https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9567 Fri, 05 May 2017 19:18:25 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9567 If the we weren’t shooting and I’m an English guy getting flanked over and over again I’m going to assume they’re out of ammo. He isn’t lying, he just doesn’t have all the information.

What kind of moron doesn’t shoot their gun in a war??!!! Hard to believe, very hard.

Yank bashing; we yanks deserve it.

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By: some random guy https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9554 Thu, 04 May 2017 17:28:35 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9554 Lol, there’s way more than two options here. The Englishman in question may not exist. He may exist but lied about Korea. He may exist , have actually been there but didn’t understand what he witnessed. He may exist, accurately described a situation and then applied it to all US units throughout the entire war. You can add permutations to any of these as you like.

Nowhere in here does the US government factor except when they acknowledged (shamefully to be sure) that their riflemen weren’t quite up to par. Perhaps you doubt that on the principle that the US government never told a single truth- ever. Your choice.

Now here is my theory: you’re addicted to Yank bashing. You’re making us choose one option, that some guy that some other guy heard one time say some stuff, and that stuff overshadows all logical thinking on the matter. You should be a salesman.

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By: anon https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9553 Thu, 04 May 2017 16:09:59 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9553 You’re making us choose between believing the US government and a Englishman that was actually there.

Here is my theory; They ran out of ammo because they dropped in on the ground while they were running away.

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By: some random guy https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9546 Tue, 02 May 2017 22:33:06 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9546 *Sorry, not .45 but a smaller .30 caliber round.

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By: some random guy https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9545 Tue, 02 May 2017 21:22:55 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9545 Not really. The M1 Garand was still THE battle rifle of the day. M1/M2 Carbines were issued and carried in much the same way as Sten guns and Owens submachine guns were in the Commonwealth forces, for officers, signallers and such as that. And as such were not used to the same degree, those carrying such arms having a job to do which wasn’t primarily engaging the enemy.

The ammunition was different and an entire battalion sized unit calling for .45 ACP ONLY would have strained the supply system, nevermind the entire US force (upwards of twelve divisions).

See, this is what the point of the story was supposed to be: those stupid Yanks had nothing but rock’n’roll rifles and zero fire discipline, blowing their ENTIRE allotment upon engaging the NK forces (most of the war was actually fought against Chinese forces) and then getting routed by said NKs. EVERY TIME. If this fails to happen, the point of the story gets blunted.

To be sure the Yanks didn’t win. Nobody won. Matter of fact it’s still a state of war between North Korea and the UN forces, only a cease fire having been signed ( said cease fire having been violated well over 1500 times since 1953).

And, as I pointed out before, the US forces had real problems getting those selfsame battle rifle carriers to actually PULL THE FUCKING TRIGGER IN COMBAT. Training was not quite up the task of conditioning individual riflemen to engage though it was improving. By the time Vietnam rolled around the problem was solved.

This isn’t a technical argument about the existence of some rifle capable of automatic fire. It’s about calling bullshit on some anecdotal story.

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By: anon https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/brinksmanship/#comment-9544 Tue, 02 May 2017 16:24:40 +0000 http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?p=5545#comment-9544 “By the Korean War, the select fire M2 carbine had largely replaced the submachine-gun in U.S. service[47] and was the most widely used Carbine variant.[48][49] Although, the semi-auto M1 carbine was also widely used- especially by support troops.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine#Korean_War

maybe you’re both right.

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