2020/08/19 19:30:01
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Does any Russian here,or Russian annalyst seriously know why the Russian government allows RT.A news station that was created to bring Russia’s views to the World. To sabotage that mission,to post stories that make Russians look bad and humiliate them.To post stories that go against Russia’s views of the World events.In other words to be Western MSN-lite.While being paid for by the Russian state.If people wanted to read news stories that they could read in any Western rag.Maybe slightly (but only slightly) less virulent,then they would go to Western media.People go to RT to get news from Russia’s point of view,and we aren’t getting it.
Some might say that the Russian government doesn’t want to appear “controlling”.And to gain the trust of the West.Well,that excuse is just a crock.The CIA in the West is more than able to control the Western media,under the table,and until someone every few years snitches on them,no one hears about it.Maybe someone in Moscow needs to hire an ex-CIA agent to explain how that’s done for them And as for gaining the “trust” of Western governments.If you have to gain it by betraying your country,its not worth it.But besides that,it doesn’t work .Western countries use RT as a “boogyman”,and attack it all the time anyway.
No,the RT situation,is just one more of many cases of sloppiness in the Russian bureaucracy.Russia,whether you liked it or not.Used to have control systems in place to oversee the bureaucrats running an operation.Those don’t seem to be there anymore.And the bureaucrats seem to just do as they wish un-checked until someone every once and a while is caught doing something immensely crooked and something has to be done about them Maybe RT needs to be placed under the purview of the man Kis…….,I can’t remember his name but he remade the state TV channels in Russia a few years ago.And seems to have done a stellar job.The media in the US show more obedience to the Democrat Party’s orders,than RT does to the Russian state’s mission.Just today,while Putin is trying to tamp down unrest in Belarus.RT’s front page has several stories on Belarus that could have come from London,Brussels,or Washington,disgraceful.
Couldn’t agree more Uncle Bob.
RT has gone downhill so much. It started a couple of years ago and this year its become awful. So many articles on its website are written by ex Western MSM. The choice of articles are so poor – very few good writers compared to the past. The people they interview sometimes are questionable and (from memory) when you hire an Editor linked in the past to Soros – what can you expect?……Ms Simonyan has been off the boil for sometime or doing this deliberately (remember St. Petersburgh EF). I personally don’t trust her anymore. Maybe the Government has allowed the wrong people to oversee the channel. The quality has reduced even on the news programmes too.
Its as if someone is destroying it from within…. it became too popular and used to “question more”.
Uncle Bob
Freedom of press is corner stone of minimum of democracy. Long ago West has that freedom .
Not anymore . Russia has too long government control media , so it is good that
RT is wrong or right or partially wrong or partially right .
Sloppiness or just different point of view ?
Truth is always stronger and will prevail . So don’t worry .
My own feeling is that, without full knowledge of the context, it’s impossikble to say what is happening.
Is it that the threats RT has been put induer in the Empire nations mean that it has to “give” a little to stay put and be able to still put out it’s view point from time to time?
Is it that it operates as a sort of franchise, and each country’s RT has lots of autonomy, which Ms Simonyan has no control over?
In Russia, I do feel strongly that Putin is firmly convicned that to shut down those with anti-Russia messages is merely to bow to fear. Why would you shut them down? Because you are afraid of them is th eonly reson. And as Ghandi said, “those who claime the enemy is hatred are wrong. The enemy is fear”.
There is a very good argument, that by shutting down an outlet, you merely drive it underground, where it grows in the dark, and give substance to the view that you shut it down because it speaks the truth and you have reason to fear it. By leaving such things operati g under laws which do forbid many things, such as mockery of the leaders, falsifying history etc etc, you let everyone see the kind of rubish such people write. And that you trust the people to see through it.
It’s an MO which promotes you as being a very strong person, nation.
I dont know what you find so objectionable about the articles onte RT I read today. They seem to present a balanced, fair set of opinions – and thus promote RT.
This, for example, was also on RT today
https://www.rt.com/usa/497647-pompeo-voa-russia-rules/
Also https://www.rt.com/russia/498441-russia-belarus-ukraine-reunite/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr
I”ve had some beefs with RT yes, some articles are ludicrous – perhaps RT lets them out tongue in cheek, to show how ludicrous the “main enemy” is. An the idiotic censorship of comments is just stupid.
But I doubt ti’s all doing Russia a scrap of harm, frankly.
Keep in mind that Putin and Russia’s aim right now is to see a stable and pro-Russian/pro-Union State Belorussian government. And the opposition to Lukashenko is in bed with the EU and NATO.They fly the flag that was used during the German rule in Belarus in 1918.And the same flag was used by the Hitler supporters during the GPW.That means that for now Lukashenko needs to stay.And that now because he is in bad trouble Lukashenko had a “come to Jesus meeting” and he wants to push the Union State and be close to Russia.So stories that support that are good for Russia.Those that don’t are bad for Russia.
Now lets look at some of RT’s stories on Belarus today:
“Belarus’ military build-up to deal with invented NATO ‘threat’ suits Lukashenko as it distracts his troops from reality”
The title itself smells anti-Lukashenko,and reading it ,you see that is right.
“EU to sanction all those ‘responsible for violence, repression & falsification of election results’ in Belarus”
This title is problematic as well.And the article has no counter argument from Russia’s viewpoint.
“Tikhanovskaya urges EU not to recognize ‘fraudulent’ Belarus elections, vows to lead a ‘peaceful transition of power’”
Another problematic title.And no push back with Russia’s viewpoint.
“The second coming of the Soviet Union? Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine will one day reunite, says Moscow professor”
This title is guaranteed to further Russophobia. Now I agree with the premise of the article,but know that now is a horrible time to publicly discuss it.It will be a magnet for the Russia-haters.
“Belarus is a chance for multilateralism and European integrity to prevail – unless the US co-opts it”
This article is interesting.It purports to support Russia to some extent.But its a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” instead.It wants the EU supported opposition in,and Lukashenko out.That is sure to result in Ukraine #2.
No one should be fooled about the opposition,no matter what they say now,they are not pro-Russian.As soon as they come to power they would cancel the Union State,and align with the West. We’ve seen this story before.
This is only a small amount of RT’s Belarus coverage today.There are more,including a couple that really do support Russia.But those are the minority.
Blogger ‘Yalensis’ (https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/) has his/her own complaints about what he/she sees as racist and/or alt-right stuff on RT – and not just the readers, but also the columnists. If RT is supposed to be government-sponsored, then what would Putin think of said offending content? Heck, who’s in charge of what RT writes?
Couldn’t agree more either, same with Sputnik which was never really as good in my view. Now it’s all about asteroids about to hit earth, UFO’s and Kim Kardashian’s ass (or whoever else’s ass is in fashion nowadays).
Both are all too clearly zio-controlled.
This morning Ecuador time, on Sputnik:
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/202008191080216732-belarus-where-a-dictator-is-condemned-by-those-who-supported-lockdowns-in-their-own-country/
And the fact that the biggest asteroid to come as close to earth as it did – closer than the moon – and WAS NOT SPOTTED by anyone IS news. It’s actually big news. It tells us just how “safe” our spotter systems really are. And I didn’t read that anywhere but Sputnik.
It’s so easy to see “zio-controlled” everywhere, and should be carefully avoided. You could end up like Democrats see who Russians under their beds manipulating their dreams in order to undermine democracy :-)
Who is moving a live, French, air-to-air missile in Florida? This ordnance is officially “obsolete”, but available information indicates that this specific missile has a live warhead and is fueled. It’s ready for live fire.
The available information raises questions. Amazon quickly denied involvement, but is the “denial” believable? Amazon has known CIA ties. There’s certainly more to this story.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/florida-airport-evacuated-after-huge-live-missile-found-accidentally-shipped-amazon
The F20 S530 missiles are designed to be fired by the Mirage fighter jets, no longer in active use. The Israeli Kfir fighters are based on the Mirage design. Can the Kfir fighters fire the F20 S530 missiles?
The container with the live missile also had parts for an aircraft inside. Perhaps parts for mounting the live, air-to-air missile on a fighter jet?
The shipment is from Draken International, a US defense contractor involved in the development of tactical fighter aircraft. Curiouser and curiouser.
Are there more, live, “obsolete”, armed, air-to-air military missiles being moved around Florida by Draken International? Is something in the works? Was this one caught by accident?
Can anyone explain this incident?
And is the missile one as would explain the Beirut Port bombing???
@ Pamela
Good question.
It’s an air-to-air missile designed to be fired by Mirage fighter jets, but can it also be made to function as an air-to-surface missile, if so desired? Is there perhaps a military analyst in the house?
This live missile incident at Lakeland airport in Florida raises a lot of questions. Initial reporting raises the possibility of Amazon involvement; Amazon does have very strong CIA connections, albeit that Amazon denies involvement. But is the Amazon denial believable? It also implicates Draken International, which has the largest fleet of privately-owned, ex-military jet aircraft in the world, operated by ex-USSA military pilots, and which provides “Red Team” mock combat training to Pentagon jet fighter pilots.
Was there going to be — or is there going to be — a Draken International, ex-USSA military, “Red Team” live fire exercise in Florida, with a live, French air-to-air missile? If so, what target did Draken International (or someone) intend to attack? And if not, then why was/is Draken shipping around a live, air-to-air missile through a civilian airport in Florida? And if Amazon is not involved, then why did Amazon surface in the initial reporting of the affair? None of this makes sense.
See, this is not normal at all. This is not standard procedure. This sort of thing just is not supposed to happen. Except that it has! Has a faction of the USSA military industrial complex/alphabet soup just been caught out? Was something being set up to go down, and they got caught?
Have they shipped other, live missiles through “extracurricular”, non-normal channels, but this time they got caught?
Remember the 5 –or was it 6? — live, nuclear cruise missiles that went walkabout between Minot Air Force Base and Barksdale Air Force Base a few years back? And were all of those nuclear cruise missiles accounted for? How to know for sure!?
Is something like that going on now?
“Is there perhaps a military analyst in the house?”
Lol Richard. I rather think our good host is such a one – albeit very busy and maybe has not the time to look at this issue.
I had forgotten that thing about the nuclear cruise missiles which “went missing” – Ye Gods and Little Fishes, how on Gods green earth can you just misplace 6 live nuclear missiles!!!
But it does look as if the US is doing a Blackwater with it’s own Air Force, doesn’t it?. Adn this is a worry.
Here’s a good picture of the missile. It looks brand new, in mint condition. Draken International “found” this big, armed, live missile just laying around in a shipping crate at their place of business! I’m sure lots of people have had this same experience, of just “finding” a big, live, armed missile laying around. \sarcasm\ And it fits on their own fighter jets! Imagine the coincidence.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/08/19/live-missile-discovered-lakeland-airport-awaits-disposal/5611408002/
Does indeed look to be shiny brand spanking new doesn’t it? It’s something that should be front page news, with reporter out in droves. But it isn’t, is it?
All we hear, once again, are the sounds of silence. And with all the uproar of Biden / Trump; Black and White thugs wrecking random violence on objects and by-passers alike; of fury at a “dictator” who refused to be bullied by the WHO into nation destroying “lockdowns” {a prison term, incidentally}, with so much “white noise” turned to full “gain”, all I can hear, all day every day, is the sound of silence.
Silence on the enormity of a once respected nation, the English of Great Britain, locking up man charge with nothing, on the orders of a Mordor over the Sea, and torturing him into a mental breakdown;
silence on the either mass criminality of governments using an unproven “virus” as a basis for a hoax to fool the masses into behaving like beaten terrified puppies, or the equally horrifying fact that at least 75% of the worlds nations are in the power of functioning morons, ;
silence on voices protesting increasing loss of once valued freedoms;
silence on the dumbing down of 99% of humanity; silence on the genocide being enacted under the entire worlds’ eyes on Palestinians, Yemenis, others of the Middle East;
silence on attempts to stir up hatred for other nations as a prelude to mass murder and invasion and take-over;
silence, silence, silence.
The plot thickens. Wikipedia says that Draken International has “the largest fleet of privately owned former military tactical jet aircraft in the world,” so Draken International is a functional, private, military air force, including 22 Mirage jet fighters. The Mirage is the jet fighter that fires the F20 S530 air-to-air missile. What a coincidence! \sarcasm\
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draken_International
Draken International employs a whole roster of ex-USSA military fighter pilots to fly its jets in “Red Team” mock combat against Pentagon pilots in military training exercises.
So Draken International was caught with a fueled, air-to-air missile with a live warhead, in a civilian airport in Florida. Why? An “obsolete” French munition that can be fired by Mirage jet fighters, and by the way ex-USSA military pilots fly Mirage fighters for Draken International in mock combat drills.
Why was the live, “obsolete” missile in Florida, at a civilian airport? This violates a whole suite of explosives, weapons and cargo transport laws and shipping regulations. Why was the live missile being shipped by (or to?) Draken International through a civilian airport? Draken International interfaces very closely with the Pentagon’s jet fighter, combat training programs. How does Draken International fit into this scenario?
Does anyone know what is going on? Did a planned, alphabet soup, false flag incident just get nipped in the bud? This missile is a serious military munition. Yeah, it’s 20th century technology, but as the Saker has pointed out numerous times, 20th century military technology has a bloody, proven track record of killing many millions of people deader than a door nail.
This is in the Saker’s own backyard. Do you know, Mr. Saker? This is all highly irregular, and normally does not and cannot happen. And yet it has happened. So what is the “non-normal” business that was being transacted and/or planned to occur?
Judging by the Swedish MSM, Lukashenko is holding his ground. The latest news broadcast barely mentioned Belarus at all, save a silly communiqué where the Euro-trash (European Council) declared the election result ”null and void”. Lukashenko has secured the borders with Poland and Lithuania, thus strangulating the efforts of NATO’s foreign rabble-rousers.
What the hell was it that struck almost the entire blog by despair, doom and gloom about Belarus? Lukashenko was a ”dead man walking”, Russia/Moscow/The Kremlin/Putin doesn’t give a hoot about anything, and so on and so forth. If the more powerful among the Zionazis are following the comment sections here on the subject, they must have felt über-confident about the power of their inanities and angry vulgarities spread by the MSM sewer.
Classic ‘eurotrash’ and foggy bottom ploy, declare an election null and void and keep holding elections until they get what they want, then declare that election a clear choice of the populace and forbid any more elections.
Auslander
Classic Euro-trash and Foggy Bottom ploy indeed!
Worked great with the Ukros. Lukashenko and his mass base don’t seem to pander to ’European values’, however. Color revolution going down the toilet. Greedy hyena and little tiny insect country not happy.
@Nussiminen
Well it worked fabulous with the Germans, they were never asked anyway in any form and her Chanellor is proud of the fact that the people have nothing to say on any important subject matter.
Europe is underway to become fully fledged fascist again.
The ‘washing’ is going deep, deep. In Italy single people without masks are hunted down by Policy drones and the MSM online.
Sickening times, and it’s just the beginning for many around the globe.
Had I been so active as I used to some time ago, such “fire exchange” might have not happened, as it did recently. The old saying, “what is in your heart is there on your mouth” is not the best adviser, here the words are not spoken, they are typed, being visited and revisited by many. To be humbler doesn’t mean that you lose your battle-flag, time is there in the passing in this short journey of ours., we are a community with hard lessons behind and unknown lessons are still ahead, waiting for us in our way home…painted with a specific colour for each individual.
Thanks ioan .. let me speak on the hard lessons behind.
And I want to speak on the Saker’s rules, which are there because of hard lessons behind. He did not come up with a bunch of rules and put them there. Each of those are there because of the hard lessons behind – they came from experience.
The question that I asked in the previous Cafe on Bro93’s all too frequent postings (in my view) — thanks for the feedback folks, and everybody is right from one perspective or another.
The most important perspective is that we are adults. And I don’t want to worry about people here not following the rules that were done as part of hard lessons of the past. I truly do not want to have to worry about those. (Some of those rules I even debated against).
But two rules that make sense to me. First, yes, we are adults so we should accept the rules of this blog and work according to them – we are guests in the Saker’s home. We have major folks trying to read here and I don’t want to give them gumpfh.
Second, we should not insult one another or tell the other how stupid, emotional, dumb, cannot see the woods for the trees, or any other thing like that.
I encouraged an analyst (American fellow, writes for many places) to come and join us here. He did a contribution, only to have Bro tell him how stupid he is. The email back to me was “Amarynth, are you F@cking kidding!”
I don’t need that. And I don’t need people telling me that they are not taking part, because they were told how stupid, emotional, shortsighted, not able to see the wood for the trees .. etc etc they are. I have too many of those now – people that are just sick of being told how (fill in the blanks) they are. We are losing valuable and good posters because of that. I want to get them all out of my inbox, where there is active conversation, of high quality and back to the cafe. But I don’t want to feed them to being told how stupid they are. There is also active conversation, not too much, but of high quality at the Telegram Group. This morning we just about agreed on a new crypto app. And we have the best information out of India. I would like to bring some of that over here, but I cannot dare if we are being told how stupid, emotional, shortsighted, etc we are. We live there with no rules and no moderation and people are adults and express themselves at high quality.
So, here is the deal. We follow the rules of this site. So, far nobody has been banned and truly, you may not think so, but I am saving some butts here.
This also means the qult material – of which there is a solid reason for that rule. Some of us take responsibilities to work with things that we know (and this is not a moderation issue but is a further quality measure – the mods do their jobs superbly), and the qucumbers is one of my responsibilities. These are parts of the functioning of the blog that are very necessary but not even visible.
So, this is my end analysis and people must understand that I am also an adult, and don’t want to be a babysitter to their attempts at sidetracking rules that were built from hard experience.
– Bro93, you are not to post any more of that material and you must govern yourself according to that rule in the spirit of it – not post the material and just leave the words Q or Q-Anon out.
– Secondly, many people have given you direct feedback and asked you to stop the insults to others, yet you continue. No more insults, or I will agitate that you get removed. I know from my inbox material of how many people you have deeply insulted.
– Overall, I counted a few cafe’s and you log up wordcounts of over 8,000 words in any one cafe. That is the equivalent of three full Saker size blog submissions. I think you should contain this to a reasonable number. This is the wrong place to try and recruit for Trump. We all appreciate solid information.
This is now out there, in the open and if you think I like doing this, you will be wrong. This is not work for adults and insults the many commenters here that do their best to keep us informed, to entertain us with music, to give voiceovers of the status of the day with poems, to rant, to tell stories, to keep us updated on specific issues, and to keep this very unique place open and available. Nobody wants to see this kind of sh|t.
Fair enough folks? Roll with the rules so we can roll loose, or roll out.
(They have a dry law where I am, so I cannot even go and drink a scotch now. I do not enjoy this. People are adults eh?)
Hi Amarynth,
Is there any possibility of numbering each comment in the Cafe?
I dip in and out thru the day and its time consuming to scroll thru the comments each time to find where I’m up to in the discussion, especially if someone has replied to an earlier comment.
Regards,
T
Its frustrating eh. I have no idea … but will send it through to tech.
Also when a.comment is submitted….confirmation…takes you back to top of the page not where you were……..
Keep track by noting time of last comment when you log out. Than go to that time and resume reading.
Tyson
The comments are already numbered automatically but you can’t see the number unless you click
on the title line of your comment and then copy and paste [PASTE AS LINK ADDRESS] it to somewhere else.
For example, your current comment is #844092 as below…
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-08-19/#comment-844092
This address can be used to navigate directly to this comment wherever it happens to be in the TS site.
What I haven’t been able to do is to use this number in the search box [home page just below SEARCH ARTICLES left hand side below donate button] to navigate directly to the comment. I can only do this when coming in externally.
I am sure there is a way but I am certainly no tech-wizz.. [66yo farmer, say no more!].
I would assume there is a relatively easy way to do this since every comment automatically has an ident number anyway. In an ideal world, this # could appear on the comment title just after the date/time…if these numbers run on according to time it would then be much easier to navigate back to a specific comment again.
Cheers
Col
Thanks to Robert and Col…’the farmer from NZ’ for your replies.
That works for me.
KInd regards
T
thank you Amarynth
amarynth, you wrote “This also means the qult material ” Sorry, but me no understandee. :-)
I’ve seen a few references to “not using the Q words” and Im always baffled, but sped on by.
However, in order to not offend, could you enlighten me please?
It is the ANONymous stuff related to the 17th letter of the English alphabet. It is ganz verboten on this forum. You cannot mention it.
House Rules.
You’re welcome.
:-)
Thank you Richard. I’m none the wiser however. It seems to be some aspect of modern life that has passed me by. It’s Anonymous, but related to a Q?? How odd. However, I’ll try not to mention anything – could be difficult as I have no idea what to avoid, but then again, since it’s not passed by ne so far, I assume this ignorance, which it appears I should cherish, will continue.
The modern world gets increasingly complex. Sigh. :-)
Sure, but it depends how deep you want to go. There is a full language, lots of memes around this, and I studied it quite deeply right in the beginning. So, we call it a cult and of course with the Q, the people have now turned into Qcumbers, which is just a funny.
There are many basic beliefs. So many, that everyone has a piece that they can hang on. The most major is around Trump, that he is literally the new messiah, or if you don’t like that idea then the young Kennedy (the one who died in the plane crash), did not die, but he is coming back in some form, or he is still alive and he will ‘take over the throne’. All the stories of sexual molestation of children and the elites (and all of Hollywood and all of the democrats) kill the kids for the little live adrenochrome that they can harvest. (Check on adrenochrome and you and I can make it from an old epipen). This is not at all to say that children are not being trafficked, molested and sold and that slavery does not exist or any of that and I do not want to detract from the seriousness of that at all. But, the memories are short. In the ’80’s the US already had missing children on milk cartons.
WWG!WWA – slogan. Where we go one we go all. But I do not know of any children really rescued.
There is literally a whole mess of things you can believe in … something for everyone. The adherents are basically the Trump Christian Base, or even Hellary Clinton’s deplorables. So, once one knows the memes and the language, one recognizes Q talk. The Q-Anons consider themselves as the rescuers of the US and the world and they are the only ones with Trump that can actually change the country. They conflate Trump and Q something fierce. Q (group of whatever) communicates in ‘drops’ on various boards – these are cryptic and then the anons must go and dig to get the meaning, so, they believe that they are doing the work and whatever they come up with as meaning, stands. Trust the Plan! Israel is last! Meaningless sloganeering and meme wars.
It goes very deep though and reliable cult analists have clear analysis of this cultish movement. They have done a lot of harm but as you can see in my piece of analysis, all is not always black and white. I think some people did get ‘woke’ but good heavens, to what?
I started writing up some analysis some time ago, but there is much newer information. You can start with mine if you want to go deeper. They have deep maps of the deep state and connect everyone to everyone. And they truly believe that everyone besides themselves are bad, and they and Trump, or Q or some sublimated being is going to save the world. Q (at that time an individual . now there is a bunch) started posting on some 4-Chan board that he/she/it is military intelligence and they are protecting Trump and Trump communicates with them through his tweets – a hidden being says this. First, Hellary Clinton is going to guantanamo bay .. it has not yet happened eh. And with time, there are +- 80,000 sealed indictments and all the baddies are going to be put away. It has not happened but yet, the acolytes believe everything is imminent. Since that time they’ve been chased off every platform alive and of course, they say it is because the patriots are deplatformed – but no consciousness about the messaging and the truth of it. And Trump is going to say — The Storm is Upon Us and something will break loose – he will have drained the swamp or something. To me, it looks like he is staffing up the swamp but never mind about that.
Anyway .. what do you want to believe in? Q probably has a flavor for you. Dig Dig Dig Patriot. And the posts that I complain about, are all Q language, Q Slogans, Q believers and so on. And so people here, like you, that don’t even know what they are dealing with, are being fed information right here and you do not know the strange source and messianic self-delusion and circular claptrap. Not Good!
https://saker.community/topic/the-q-phenomenon/ for more.
And if you want more, I can give you a list of links as long as my arm. And a list of people that were harmed, as long as my arm. Good sites just destroyed because of this bunch that takes over. There is solid reason for The Saker’s rule here. But, of course, the adherents think we are stupid and Q and Trump and the Patriots are the answer to our world. They’re gonna save us.
(sorry, all other Q talk must either go to the saker.community boards or away from here – I’m breaking the rules here to do an explanation – mods, kindly I beg your indulgence).
Check it out .. Trump is good with keeping his base … They asked him a few days ago and he ignored the question .. they asked him again and he talks Q language.
Check it out .. the US is ‘saving the world’. Yeah right! Does this actually strike you as anything truthful? He is talking into his base and he is lying through his teeth.
https://www.rt.com/usa/498473-trump-qanon-satanic-pedophiles/
Yep…his lips are moving!
A very close relative, who once was a “liberal” has joined the cult and spouts all the rubbish. i was sent one video and watched the first part. it was an interesting psychological piece because there were hooks everywhere, so that just about everyone who watched would agree with some part of it. it was clear propaganda but clever in a weird way.
What was intellectually outrageous in the video I watched was that they linked all sorts of totally different “conspiracies” and assumed that if you believe one then obviously all the others might follow. So the assassination of Kennedy is somehow the same as paedophilia, and 9/11 and Covid and abortion and the global recession and whatever else. I try to point the inconsistency out to my relative but I cannot get a word in because of the stream of consciousness drivel.
What I can piece together is that one driver is religious fundamentalism because a heck of a lot of stuff reverts to that, along with the USA gun lobby propaganda and of course the anti COVID stuff.There is a very strong anti banker (possibly anti semitic) theme, but there is no intellectual consistency with separates objections to specific actions eg banking from the ëvil”actions of a family.
I strongly suspect it is a ‘false flag” sort of hoax because while skating very close to positions that would have made the SS proud, it is at the same time strongly pro Israel.
But yes Trump (pr sometimes JFK Junior) is the new messiah. I am waiting for Elvis to appear.
Watcher
Great comment…extremely well said!
Cheers
Col
Thanks for riding a wave to explain amarynth.
Good grief. So, I guess yet another cult, but more widespread and deadly than a simple Jim Jones? Whether it’s just that they dont reach any media I dont know, but I Never seem to hear of Cults in other nations, but in US they proliferate.
Another odd national characteristic maybe. After all, we all need to believe in something outside of ourselves, and beyond who we are. Take away a nation to give identity, a sense of self identity, a social group to be proud of, and something nasty in the woodshed takes over – as here.
Having done my shifts on wards with the very mentally unstable, I dont think I’ll go deeper tho, with this one:-).
Thanks again.
amarynth,
I was aware of the Q thing but had little understanding of it. Thank you for your efforts to explain – they are very helpful indeed. ( My God you work hard here. I hope at least you are able to enjoy the sleep of the just ).
I did post something previously that I think is apposite in this discussion . May I briefly repeat a part of it ?
…Each new age has it’s own version of bread and circuses and each new Tribune of the People is quickly identified and dispatched … always for noble motives….
…..the methods of control are constantly being refined and the bewildered herd may actually be becoming more bewildered with each passing generation. … after a lifetime of psyops and daily deluges of disinformation, the ability and even the will to think is becoming rare. Official narratives are not just accepted, but embraced and aggressively defended. … a refusal to consider evidence or be informed, a reluctance to know, a desire to remain in Plato’s Cave – comfortably numb.
I do apologise for repeating.
You are an adult in years, at least I presume so.
But an adult show’s respect, or aims to, nor seeks to place other’s in a position of subservience and fear, discriminate against poster’s and those you don’t agree with. So far, I have not tried to do any of this, and hope never to do so. if I do, please let me know !
If the above were not were not the case, then this comment would not be deleted, along with many others in the past, but responded to.
My faults are to question, observe, learn, sometimes write inconvenient truths, write poems, take a sideways glance at life at times, include music links, stay upbeat and keep going.
Anonymous comments may irritate, but they are for a reason, and I am not trolling ; )
It is not a question of ‘agree with’. It is simply a question of putting some kinds of conversation out of the bounds of this blog. I would dearly love to discuss climate change, the real stuff, not the financial hoax, but the stuff of our planet, our lands, our waters and what is happening with it. That has been set outside of the bounds here. So, I don’t discuss that. So your analogy of ‘something I don’t agree with does not work’. It is incidental that I studied this one. See the difference between being a responsible person here and not?
Why is that so hard to understand. If you go visit a neighbor and the neighbor does not want say discussions of Christianity, do you push discussions of Christianity into the mouth of the neighbor? I’m sure you don’t. And if you continually do, will the neighbor not eventually act? Many respectful requests here have not worked to remain within the bounds set. In fact, those requests were met with scorn and insults, which is another trait of the group under discussion. In fact, after I said what I said, there was another posting to simply mock this blog. There is a rare level of pushing ideology into the mouth here, yours too, while not disclosing that and to treat with scorn those that see this. See this is a messianic fervor and people consider themselves called by God to spread the ideology. And if the fish does not bite, the fish is met with scorn and insults.
https://i1.wp.com/saker.community/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/jesuspickstrump.jpg?w=1000&ssl=1
And if you do want to discuss this, there are other pages. I have not taken this out of bounds on saker.community.
You do realize that if we all posted Anonymously individual conversations would be largely meaningless and this whole forum would cease to exist in very short order?
http://art.yale.edu/file_columns/0000/0066/borges.pdf
I tend to consider the above to be a parable on the subversion of the modern wor(l)d.
Are we talking ‘qult’ or ‘qulture’? Whether or not one quaffs the qoolaid, qan we not find qommon qround?
We’re talking defined cult where people that want to get out, have to be deprogrammed to actually see life in any normal or whatever can be considered as normal way. The sun is shining, the grass is green, the sky is blue and the clouds are whatever they are on the day, and their neighbor is probably not a pedophile. An analogy – is there common ground with say a radicalized ISIS headchopping soldier? That is a horrible analogy but I mean it. There is no common ground and people must study to be able to understand this. I’ll write a quick piece in another space, to give you a complete answer and give you a link for that.
But if you can, my ears are always open.
I think the rules that the Saker set up for here, is fine common ground. Something that I find interesting is climate change, the real stuff not the paid for scam. But, I am not to discuss it here, and I don’t.
We are entering uncharted territory– not that what we are experiencing is something humans haven’t experienced. It is the unspeakable and the charting, as it were, breaks down (along with everything else).This state of affairs is encoded in such phrases that we today find quaint such as “even the land became defiled and vomited out its inhabitants.”
ioan
You are indeed a wordsmith of the highest order. And all the more remarkable when English is far from being your first language. You most certainly would not want to hear any of my attempts at Romani or Hungarian…perish the thought!
I salute you for your ability to be able to hear and appreciate all sides and views on this site and to do so with both wisdom and restraint.
Warmest regards
Col
amarynth, I question the idea that you are able to define and substantiate through study, a person, activity, movement, or spiritual group, as a cult for other’s to abide by and accept.
Either ignore, for their own good, or not allow comments on. Where is the freedom in this for a person to make a choice, reach their own conclusion, based on discernment ?
This has come up for questioning before, and now again – but it serves only to distracts from the major world events and situations playing out now, and wastes time. For what purpose ?
In terms of cults, there may be instances, times, when you are right, and your thoughts valuable, but that is not the point, people have to weigh things up for themselves, make their own experiences. This has to do with individual sovereignty, with being an adult.
I can always ask for insight, information, more input if I am unsure about what you have decided is a cult, and I am sure there are many here, more than helpful to oblige.
.Right, moving on…
wikipedia actually does the word justice:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
The way I deal with certain obsessive, dear-diary like daily writers, is to do a quick scan or mostly skip them but the moderators are not given that luxury. Bless them. It is almost like being subjected to a modern drone swarm attack as it becomes exceedingly wearisome. 8,000 words…ye gads, get a life!!! (oops, no harm no foul?)
Also, there are certain topics which I just do not want mocked. (pearls before swine..) Call me over sensitive, fine. So I don’t post them. Those I send instead to a person’s e-mail but I don’t abuse this privilege. Those who need to know…know.
I think we can benefit from tightening up the ship here so I welcome Amarynth’s 3 points and if I stray out-of-bounds and get called on it well, that is the price of being in community. ( not cult: cult mockingly punishes their heretics)
Ground rules are not credos. And let’s be human as possible here. If you have offended someone and can drop ego enough to imagine why, what is wrong with making an apology? Granted who knows if any of us here is “real”. Wouldn’t Plato have fun contemplating the phenomenon of the internet?
For tuppence
I’ve been wandering about my daily chores, thinking about your comments, spritely peppered throughout our moveable feasts; you’re here, you’re there, you’re not here, you’re everywhere: joyful, sad, serious, troubled, vexed, confronting, lightly and brightly allowing and encouraging open and honest contributions, generous with your compliments and poetry…
Who does tuppence remind me of?
That has been my question for numerous days, and this morning, out of the very dim mists of my long-forgotten school days, the answer came into view…
My most favourite Shakespearean play in Third or Fourth year High School…
A Midsummer’s Night Dream…
Puck.
Your invaluable role in our Café reminds me of the adorable rascal Puck
“If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumber’d here
While these visions did appear.”
https://www.thoughtco.com/character-analysis-puck-midsummer-nights-dream-2984577
Thank You for so bravely and cleverly being You and gifting us with your Presence
Well, here we have it – from “the horses mouth” so to speak. Yes, likely there was discontent in Belorussia following the election. And yes, certainly, the “Usual Suspects” have jumped on it to foster their own ends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7weWUULiYAU
Lavrov addresses the nation – all of them I think – on this issue
It’s a testament to the complete control of the media and the malleability of the political class in the West that they can keep repeating this trick – the election was rigged and – oh look we’ve found a legitimate leader for you…
Svetlana, housewife / superstar has told us she is ready to lead the country. It must be true – she’s already schmoozing with the usual suspects.
https://izwest.livejournal.com/6884772.html
Was it the last cafe – someone used the title of the Sondheim song “send in the Clowns” to refer to current events – at least in the Empire?
I know it’s not really relevant to that, but it brought to mind the one and only version of the song – for me, anyway, – by Judi Dench.
So I thought I’d share. One woman plus a few instruments for help, holding the huge audience of the Albert Hall silent and spell bound in the palm of her hand.
Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvZex3Qf7QQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avIpEV7p7oo&t=4s
New from Polly. Who Do You Trust?
Indeed.
Not Group Think Managers. Nor complainers that can’t stand up for themselves………… For starters…..
Peace, OUT!
Its getting hot out there. Here comes the attempt at snapping back the Iran sanctions – combined with a warning for Russia and China not to meddle.
https://www.rt.com/news/498477-trump-pompeo-iran-un-sanctions/
Check it out … “When the United States entered into the Iran deal, it was clear the United States would always have the right to restore the UN sanctions that would prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.”
Always? how long does always last for the US?
John “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” Perkins ……………….. in the only interview I have ever seen him in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLc3ehhPIKA
Just 1 week old interview
Having read his book when it first came out……I have a strong hunch he spent quite a bit of time in Ecuador’s Amazon region. “El Oriente”.
Still, I have my reservations about John. You’ll see why, if you watch the interview. Seen enough. Switched to BRUNEL IS FOUND.
Nobody’s perfect and the even the best are nowhere close.
That includes Ryan Dawson who seems about as determined as anyone alive to destroy the Neocons and Zionism……but is his picture 100% complete???
Of course not. It couldn’t be. That’s a given……for everyone. But are parts of his work very valuable?
Yes, I will give him that.
And that Jean Luc Brunel of the MEGA Pimps and Madams Wexner……Epstein ….Maxwell ….Brunel…. is FOUND …..and “lawyering up”….making a stand in France in the open since yesterday after months in Brazil (??) also makes me happy along with Ryan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwz7CGm4bls
Jean Luc Brunel Found
14,360 views•Streamed live on Aug 18, 2020
Check out Jean Luc’s baseball cap………………….and the fact that Dawson was correct months ago in telling Shawn Atwood that Ghyslaine would NOT be found in Israel ……..but more likely in the Northeastern US……and why.
As a bloodhound sniffing out these blackmail/human compromise specialists……Epstein (13 years of work) Maxwell…….Brunel ……….Ryan Dawson has earned some “cred”, admittedly, IMHO
But let’s see if ALL his criticisms of those who charge even darker weirder crimes than he does………….are “crazy exagerrations”…………or NOT. That….in court ….may take no less than 1-2 years ….minimally ….I would estimate. So any rush to judgment……..or “cult” labelling …. is needless haste.
Breathless from political theater to theater, always with the 80%-15%-5%-Raster I try to mind my
own business and – paradoxically- likewise daily watch the theaters on the planet. I think this is
what humble Vineyarders do.
The Vineyard is A STRONG christian Symbol for God’s creation and the task being offered to man.
Vine is the product of man’s work and time’s miracle: spirit.
This Week is the 34th, connecting ‘the father’ and the ‘sword’.
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2020/08/34-week-in-anthropos-birth-of-late.html
re: mundanomaniac
“the single has no power, the power is connection”
.”.Poor Mars who can run roughshod over who wants the place of leadership without making the patient connections of Venus… surely virgo-mercury will issue him a “caution”? or will we have to wait until libra-mercury for that?
why wait, when Saturn is doing, what needs to be done.
Mars/Saturn, the ire and the father.
OK; all, thanks for all the feedback on the Qult stuff, but let’s not further push the mods to the limits here.
They’ve been very kind to let some conversation take place and for that I thank them.
I’ve also had emailed feedback, generally supportive in what I’ve said, generally from folks that are trustworthy.
I’ve also had a few emailed feedback shouting about free speech and deplatforming and stuff – just the normal cancel culture generally. These went to spam.
This is The Saker’s rule for his main blog.
“15) Okay, I had it! This Q-anon nonsense is literally polluting the comments section. There are plenty of terrific websites to discuss the “oh so amazing” Q-anon statements, there is NO need to do that here. So, from now on and until further notice any and all comments including “Q-anon” or any references to “Q-anon” are to be immediately intercepted and those who posted it warned that the next time around, they will be banned.”
So, anyone that want to discuss this issue further, are welcome to discuss it on saker.community in the forums there. I do not have a prohibition on that site, because we are not so highly focused there. You will however have to register and log in .. and there is security. We are not moderated, so, security is necessary. But feel free – pro or con. Even Bro can say his say there.
So, in the forum section on current affairs. https://saker.community/forum/current-affairs/
Once you get used to the forum software, you may like it. It is very different from the cafe software here and you can post pics and all kinds of stuff, start your own threads and so on. We’re generally not moderated but vile stuff and trolls and so will be removed. So, feel free to try it. You may even put a link here to point to some piece if you feel that it has merit, to let people know.
We have more than one space for discussion. We can use it to our benefit. I understand the things that the Saker prohibits here, very well. Over at the community our focus is different, and we can discuss different stuffs but I’ve always envisioned a free flow between the Cafe and the saker.community forums.
https://www.popsci.com/story/environment/why-us-lose-power-storms/
US has more power outages than any other !!! developed country. Our grid is outdated and rundown,
but utilities aren’t willing to do much about it… oops (Generator-Indusries bribes, lol ??!!)
AP-NORC poll: Nearly half say job lost to virus won’t return
https://apnews.com/ba6ea32e7a5ee4b79c7aed945e4d25b7
Millions(not exaggerated) will fear eviction !!!!!
Mortgage Delinquencies Spike in the Second Quarter of 2020
https://www.mba.org/2020-press-releases/august/mortgage-delinquencies-spike-in-the-second-quarter-of-2020
Evidence of the on-going “Dining-Disaster”
300 Pizza Huts are closing after a giant franchisee goes bankrupt
https://www.marketplace.org/2020/08/18/pizza-hut-close-300-locations-bankruptcy/
Big City Blues:
For Example: New York
New York Times had reported that 420,000 New Yorkers had moved out of the city between March 1st and May 1st.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/15/upshot/who-left-new-york-coronavirus.html
According to Schmierblatt(German) aka tabloid DailyMail
>>Our community is terrified, angry and frightened’: Upper West Side residents fury as homeless
junkies and sex offenders are moved into three luxury hotels and turn the area into a spectacle of
public urination, cat-calling and brazen drug use.
>>The sanitation budget was cut by more than 100 !!!!!! million dollars, and at this point giant
mountains of trash are starting to pile up around the city.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8603433/Upper-West-residents-fury-homeless-junkies-sex-offenders-moved-luxury-hotels.html
NYC crime spree knocks on the doorsteps of America’s ultra-rich
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-crime-spree-americas-ultra-rich-robbery
New York City’s Upper East Side is seeing a ‘significant uptick’ in robberies, police say
>>Homelessness and poverty are both exploding, and crime rates are shooting into the stratosphere.
>>The number of shootings in July was 177 percent higher than for the same month last year.
>>Governor Andrew Cuomo lamented that this mass exodus is hitting tax revenues really hard.
“Look at everything. Everything’s boarded up. Even the hotel. Boarded up,” the video’s narrator,
who is obviously fed up with how the city looks, says.”Post-Apocalyptic Manhattan” Video Drive Tour
https://twitter.com/tadgermania/status/1291717913980747776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%
7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1291717913980747776%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%
3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fghost-town-shocking-dystopian-video-nyc-shows-
abandoned-and-boarded-5th-avenue
And… at last…
Nearly half of the U.S.’s homeless people live in one state: California
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-state-is-home-to-nearly-half-of-all-people-living-on-the-streets-in-the-us-2019-09-18
Just a reminder… essentially nothing really new…
https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2020/08/13/slogan-silikonovoj-mafii-51613.html
Slogan of the Silicone Mafia
Google is engaged in espionage at the request of the FBI, NSA and other US departments
Just a short excerpt…
In 2016, facts about the links of Google with the US government, the leadership of the European Union and the governments of the EU member states became known. The information was published by the Campaign for Accountability (CfA) organization . The CfA report provides startling facts about Google’s lobbying activities. During Barack Obama’s presidency from January 2009 to October 31, 2015, Google lobbyists visited the White House more than 427 times. At the same time, 21 meetings with President Obama were recorded behind closed doors and a very limited circle of participants.
A wonderful tv interview from Spain. The journalists try to instill fear about COVID and Spain, and a calam and rational emergency doctor with common sense destroys the entire COVID narrative and and causes panic in the tv studio – it is amazing that this ever aired on national tv there!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=229&v=SwlkumcRf6w&feature=emb_title
Interesting. Thanks for that link Anon.
Navalny ”poisoned by a cup of tea”. Sounds familiar, eh? And Lukashenko isn’t going anywhere. What’s not to like?
Received from my Alternative Health Practitioner – I Leave it to the reader to accept the evidence provided or not.
“Arthur Firstenberg on facial masks:
As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England.
Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries.
They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years.
And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks.
Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery “is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.”
I was so amazed that I scoured the medical literature, sure that this was a fluke and that newer studies must show the utility of masks in preventing the spread of disease.
But to my surprise the medical literature for the past forty-five years has been consistent: masks are useless in preventing the spread of disease and, if anything, are unsanitary objects that themselves spread bacteria and viruses.
• Ritter et al., in 1975, found that “the wearing of a surgical face mask had no effect upon the overall operating room environmental contamination.”
• Ha’eri and Wiley, in 1980, applied human albumin microspheres to the interior of surgical masks in 20 operations. At the end of each operation, wound washings were examined under the microscope. “Particle contamination of the wound was demonstrated in all experiments.”
• Laslett and Sabin, in 1989, found that caps and masks were not necessary during cardiac catheterization. “No infections were found in any patient, regardless of whether a cap or mask was used,” they wrote. Sjøl and Kelbaek came to the same conclusion in 2002.
• In Tunevall’s 1991 study, a general surgical team wore no masks in half of their surgeries for two years. After 1,537 operations performed with masks, the wound infection rate was 4.7%, while after 1,551 operations performed without masks, the wound infection rate was only 3.5%.
• A review by Skinner and Sutton in 2001 concluded that “The evidence for discontinuing the use of surgical face masks would appear to be stronger than the evidence available to support their continued use.”
• Lahme et al., in 2001, wrote that “surgical face masks worn by patients during regional anesthesia, did not reduce the concentration of airborne bacteria over the operation field in our study. Thus they are dispensable.”
• Figueiredo et al., in 2001, reported that in five years of doing peritoneal dialysis without masks, rates of peritonitis in their unit were no different than rates in hospitals where masks were worn.
• Bahli did a systematic literature review in 2009 and found that “no significant difference in the incidence of postoperative wound infection was observed between masks groups and groups operated with no masks.”
• Surgeons at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, recognizing the lack of evidence supporting the use of masks, ceased requiring them in 2010 for anesthesiologists and other non-scrubbed personnel in the operating room. “Our decision to no longer require routine surgical masks for personnel not scrubbed for surgery is a departure from common practice. But the evidence to support this practice does not exist,” wrote Dr. Eva Sellden.
• Webster et al., in 2010, reported on obstetric, gynecological, general, orthopedic, breast and urological surgeries performed on 827 patients. All non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries, and none of the non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries. Surgical site infections occurred in 11.5% of the Mask group, and in only 9.0% of the No Mask group.
• Lipp and Edwards reviewed the surgical literature in 2014 and found “no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials.” Vincent and Edwards updated this review in 2016 and the conclusion was the same.
• Carøe, in a 2014 review based on four studies and 6,006 patients, wrote that “none of the four studies found a difference in the number of post-operative infections whether you used a surgical mask or not.”
• Salassa and Swiontkowski, in 2014, investigated the necessity of scrubs, masks and head coverings in the operating room and concluded that “there is no evidence that these measures reduce the prevalence of surgical site infection.”
• Da Zhou et al., reviewing the literature in 2015, concluded that “there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination.”
Schools in China are now prohibiting students from wearing masks while exercising. Why? Because it was killing them. It was depriving them of oxygen and it was killing them. At least three children died during Physical Education classes — two of them while running on their school’s track while wearing a mask. And a 26-year-old man suffered a collapsed lung after running two and a half miles while wearing a mask.
Mandating masks has not kept death rates down anywhere. The 20 U.S. states that have never ordered people to wear face masks indoors and out have dramatically lower COVID-19 death rates than the 30 states that have mandated masks. Most of the no-mask states have COVID-19 death rates below 20 per 100,000 population, and none have a death rate higher than 55. All 13 states that have death rates higher 55 are states that have required the wearing of masks in all public places. It has not protected them.
“We are living in an atmosphere of permanent illness, of meaningless separation,” writes Benjamin Cherry in the Summer 2020 issue of New View magazine. A separation that is destroying lives, souls, and nature”.
Arthur Firstenberg
August 11, 2020
This is an interesting video of an interview of a doctor on Spanish TV. He explains, among other things, that a +ve PCR test does not mean someone is sick. The interviewer is not pleased with his answers.
https://youtu.be/SwlkumcRf6w
The point is sandinED, that the PCR should never have been used as a test anyway. It’s a method devised for researchers to try to find minute scraps of genetic material where there are very many others. At the end of the paper which won the scientist his Nobel Prize for working out the method, he specifies, “this should never be used as a diagnostic tool as it is totally inappropriate for that” or words to that effect.
And what do they do? Go and do exactly that.
But NO test that is +ve for any “virus” or exosome or whatever it is, means you are sick. Most of us are running around very healthy, with no sickness or symptoms of anything, yet most of us would return a +ve for Epstein-Barr. We could be in flourishing good health, and return a +ve for Corona virus, Rhinovirus, Adenovirus, if we ever in our lives had a cold.
+ve, but not sick, in fact.
Pamela, thanks,
I posted this article a while ago – Sacre discusses various forms of testing and immunity. He also makes the case that decisions should not be made on tests alone and in the absence of symptoms. Here’s the link in case you didn’t see it :
https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-closer-to-the-truth-tests-and-immunity/5720160
I am at present under lockdown in Aberdeen ( can’t get home to Edinburgh ). There were tests done in some bars showing anti bodies . No- one was sick. I don’t know of anyone who is sick or anyone who knows anyone who is sick. I asked a nurse I know who works in the hospital. Her opinion was that Aberdeen didn’t have a problem – she had heard of only 3 people being hospitalised. Yet the whole town is in lockdown and there is a 5 mile limit for travel. ” The new normal “, is constantly invoked.
So we have a sword of Damocles hanging over us. We can be put under house arrest at any time because of some tests. Businesses are failing. people are becoming desperate, not to mention the cancer, heart conditions etc. that have not been diagnosed and the treatments / operations that have not been performed. How many early deaths have resulted ? The coming poverty will not just ruin lives but will also cause more deaths.
@Pamela
The whole perverse beauty of the whole is the simple fact, that there exists no criteria (with the tests) anywhere in this insanity at which point the pandemic is deemed passed. There exists none, because using a PCR – Test we would have had a corona-virus pandemic every year for the last 20-30’000 years. It’s all completely arbitrary from beginning to end !
It’s totally criminally insane ! And the sheep (people who believe authorities, instead of thinking themselves) already accept to wear masks as ordered whenever ordered. The whole was a test by the elites to see whether they can roll out the Green-Deal/Great Reset scam per decree, using the same arbitrary pre-texts, without being faced with wide range material opposition. (Trump is against the Great Reset scam !)
For anyone knocking the effectiveness of masks I would suggest you take a good hard look at the graph in figure 1 of the link below…
“Per-capita mortality by May 9 versus duration of infection according to whether early masking was adopted.
Data grouped by whether country did not recommend masks by April 16, 2020 or recommended them more than 60 days after outbreak onset (red line)
Recommended masks 16 to 30 days after onset of the country’s outbreak (orange line)
Recommended masks (or traditionally used masks) within 15 days of the outbreak onset (blue line close to the x-axis).
Country mortality was averaged for the following country groups of infection duration: 0-15 days, 16-30 days, 31-45 days, 46-60 days, 61-75 days, 76-90 days, 91-105 days.
For instance, per-capita mortality for all non-mask or late-masking countries with infection duration between 61 and 75 days was averaged, and graphed at the x-value 68 days.
Data for graph derived from 200 countries.”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Association_of_country-wide_coronavirus_mortality_with_demographics_testing_lockdowns_and_public_wearing_of_masks_Update_June_15_2020
Cheers
Col
A little interwebz humor i can not call news but it is so good it must be shared..
Murcan freedum 😂my eyes watered so much from laughter it is hard to type.
https://twitter.com/maytham956/status/1296394389208666112
There is so much of this kind of humor and it is funny. Here is what I laughed about today.
This BLM guy, probably a very bad guy – I don’t know. He says, the US government steals oil and diamonds, how can BLM looting be bad?. How can BLM be called terrorists if the US government steals like this?.
Look, I know very little about this, but I really laughed .. ” Treason, Sedition, Insurrection! – and this guys says but the government does it and then they call us terrorists?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/disavowed-blm-leader-defends-looting-rioting-because-us-steals-diamonds-oil
LOL. Well, it’s logic, of a sort.
IN the end, of course, we have to stand by our own principles; we dont let others dictate what we should do, which this person is doing, By saying “the government steals, so why shouldn’t I'”, he is letting the very government he affects to despise choose his morality and course of action.
But the undeveloped mind doesn’t see that – it’s why we need to teach our children .
It’s another reason I am so against the death penalty as a result of jurisdiction [killing those who are killing, armed and will kill you first is another matter entirely]. How can you say, “it’s OK for us to murder someone, but you are forbidden”.
But he certainly hoists the criminal government of his country with it’s own petard, n’est pas? :-)
Here we go- the Pindos just won’t quit:
US formally demands restoration of all UN sanctions on Iran, setting stage for Security Council crisis – AP
Its done … looks like this little attempt is toast. I don’t know if there is further lawfare but Germany, France & UK REJECT US push to reinstate UN sanctions on Iran. Earlier both China and Russia rejected as well. Yesterday Trump threatened China and Russia, if they should interfere, he said, he will sanction them.
We will have to see if more lawfare can be scratched out somewhere.
Forgot the RT link …https://www.rt.com/news/498592-us-iran-sanctions-un-europe/
Well, maybe I’m being a bit premature, but I have heaved a sigh of relief. Not just for Iran, but hopefully seeing a sign, maybe of hope, that the US leaders can stop being “bobbleheaded dolls”, and find some integrity and strength.
As the old saying has it “even a worm turns in the end”.
Oh boy, we have the giggles. Pompeo lost. Everyone, even France, England and the UK told him
“The US did not have the legal right to trigger the so-called “snapback” of sanctions because it withdrew from the Iranian nuclear accord in 2018.”
Ironically, Pompeo is claiming authority to initiate a procedure which is ultimately based on the US still being a participant in the 2015 nuclear deal (JCPOA) with Iran, but obviously the Trump administration withdrew in May 2018.
Pompeo lashed out in response late Thursday, saying:
“No country but US has the courage and conviction to put forward a resolution. Instead, they chose to side with ayatollahs.”
Oh dear, oh poor poor Pompeo – after all that courage and conviction, they’re siding with the ayatollahs. If he has a heart, it must be shattered. Imagine, losing to a bunch of ayatollahs. I think of the George Carlin joke: “Its a big club and you ‘aint in it!”
Miserable slob sob! What a statement eh .. what a horrible horrible expression of exactly how little respect he has.
And this incompetent lunatic remains firmly entrenched as Trump’s SOS…kind of says it all, doesn’t it?
Speaking of SOS, with these two lunatics conducting ‘foreign policy’ in tandem, sooner or later that’s exactly what humanity’s cry will be.
In terms of spectacular examples of Trump pandering to the Deep State, Fatboy’s appointment is really only eclipsed by the atrocious treatment that Assange has been subjected to.
“Drain the swamp”… what a farcically tragic joke that turned out to be.
Sad times indeed
Col
Col,
isn’t it just delicious to see the bully rebuffed ?
Blubberman ( his superhero name – though I don’t know what his superpowers would be, other than eating and being an affront to the eye ) won’t like this at all. How will he recover from ? Hopefully he won’t, and from now on he will be quietly ignored / recognised as the ridiculous ( though dangerous ) buffoon that he is.
sandenED
Indeed!…but none of us should ever underestimate just how dangerous this baffoon is.
It doesn’t matter how many knockbacks Pompass and the TIC receive, they remain completely clueless to the fact that it is not their manufactured enemies that are the main threat to world security but they themselves and their Deep State masters.
Brings to mind the quote…,
“When there is no enemy within the enemies outside cannot hurt you.”
…and
“We have met the enemy and he is us,”
Of course, N93 and the 17th letter brigade think MIGA persisting with Pompass is just another cunning ploy…yeah right. [indeed in this very same thread]
So cunning in fact you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel
Col
Lo and behold..it was in none other than the very next comment!
Col,
I do agree, they will never reflect on the path they’re on, but at the same time don’t you agree that it is significant that their usually so reliably servile lackeys have refused him this time. He’s left impotently sputtering his outrage. I think of the Emperor’s New Clothes and see him standing there naked – aarghhh!
Blubberman et al. know very well everything they say about Russia, Iran or whoever they’re attacking on any given day, is a lie. That’s just the US way. The danger is if he really believes the ” US is exceptional ” spiel : the best army, the greatest fighting force, the best everything in the history of the world, and keeps doubling down.
Are there any cooler heads to stop him ? I saw a picture with Gen. Milley, and a few others, looking visibly shaken after Iran hit the US in Iraq in the wake of the Soleimani murder. Their hubris won’t stop them. Maybe fear will.
Sand.
Sand
Absolutely…I remember the picture vividly…every one of that ghoulish group looked visibly shaken to the core and none more so than Milley. We will never really know the full story of the extent of Iran’s reprisal that day but the picture told us that it was multiples more severe than what was reported by the western presstitute.
And what did Uncle Sam do?…same as always ….doubled down with a whole raft of new lies and then proceeded to craft a reality that suited their own monstrous egos. The lies have become so commonplace that they themselves actually get off on this self-concocted fantasy and then they proceed to swallow most of it themselves.
But I do agree, there is progress and the progress is cumulative. Although I have the utmost contempt for Trump, his methods, and his ring-ins, I genuinely hope he is successful in the forthcoming election. If this comes to pass this bunch of incompetent morons freshly emboldened by the prospect of a second term will actually unwittingly hasten the self-destruction of the Hegemon and finally allow the world to break free from this unrelenting blatant hubris.
I’m confident the destruction would be just as certain under Biden but rather than being a bonfire I suspect it would be a painful smouldering slow-burn. However, I am far from sure which scenario is more dangerous for humanity…I suspect there is not a lot of difference in terms of risk…most likely the real contrast will be simply about timeframe.
2020…what a year…and it is still far from over yet
Col
Y’all never considered for 1 moment that Trump might be setting Pompass up….like he does many, many people…..including Bannon ….and many of you…as well..…..DID YOU???
Meanwhile I am appreciating amarynth’s gracious invitation to her little Q Community “Safe” Zone thing…and I am not being sarcastic about the graciousness….because that IS in the mix of her comments along with some other things that do not oppress me in the least. NO! They actually amuse! I am savoring those treats. So It’s all good! We are ALL enjoying ourselves. And I must say, the day of her Triumphalism (August 19, 2020) and Laying Down the Law of Vineyard Eviction……was one of the happiest days of my life!
How to put it? Think of the Game of Poker.
I’m short on time and patience for registrations, passwords, Login IDs and all the rest, so the invitation….while it IS appreciated….but probably unlikely to be taken up” Because: So many places to enjoy, so little time!
But don’t worry about me (if there is anyone out there feeling any sympathetic “pangs” of pain or sympathy cut it out…..of yourself now….ruthlessly! Like a medical trauma surgeon in a military field hospital.
‘Cause “There’s a war to be won, son!”
And, you see, I am a “big boy” and not one to seek solace under anyone’s skirts (6’ 5″‘.???…THAT ain’t gonna work! LOL) like the poor unidentified person who could not complain directly of his negative experience ….so that we could work on it together….and try to “make it better.”
Hey Jude!
May everyone get what they want, or at least what they NEED……. what they dream of like Puck…………including dear Taras…………….. and his Dream of Unconsciousness….Pure Oblivion………….if that’s his thing!
The Opposite CAN be unsettling…I will grant him THAT! lol
No Colonel, I pity y’all Down Under the Mask Madness and Communist Karens of Canberra and Christchurch.
I am with Pamela’s better sense ……of Fear Being The Real Disease of the Mind….as the primary weapon of the Enemy of Humanity.
Controlla Virus.
You may never get Covid…but you got that one, mate in high concentration! More’s the pity!
Meanwhile while amarynth, day before yesterday, was the Lady Law of The House, feeling on top of the world with her full house of friends and fans (Me too…..on a couple of her ideas!) , laying it down thick and heavy……FATE quietly, unnoticed ….to everyone??? (hound would have smeeled or heard….but he’s probably not been in the Poker Parlor) dealt me a fantastic hand. But I kept quiet the last couple of days and held my cards very, very close to my chest.
You probably missed it. It was actually dealt to anyone open enough and free of egoic prejudice to sense its occurrence appreciate its………PERFECT Timing!.
But it is still there!
So I won’t spoil it for you, by spelling it out, That is NO fun at all. But it IS there! You just have to have “eyes to see”. So I’will give ALL of you 24 hours to discover it for yourselves…..and a chance to comment on it here….before I do…which hopefully I won’t even have to.
My two cents are on Tuppence!
And you know what is SO SWEET??
It beats a Full House of Acolytes and Agreers!
Hands down. “Read’em and weep, Jeb Bush!”
Unless you seek out….and are dealt …the same Straight Flush….which CAN be yours, not just mine.
Meanwhile Harley has a great update on Pompass and Bombass Bannon:
https://youtu.be/FZSX5mvkxK4 4-5 minutes longer than usual…but well worth watching!
Enjoy!
http://tapnewswire.com/2020/08/the-siamese-twins-of-technocracy-and-transhumanism/
I’m not a scientist and definitely technically challenged, but this article to me echoes what I’ve been hearing, with Catherine Austin Fitts and James Corbett leading the charge
Any comments from our leading thinkers would be gratefully received
I hesitate to reply Babuska, as I certainly dont’ consider myself a “leading thinker”. But this idea has been floating around for a while now, and I’ve given it some thought, which I’m happy to share.
It’s this.
It doesn’t worry me, although it does disgust. This desire for “immortality” has been around among a certain type of human being for a long time. It was an attractant of Satanism, the promise that “if you give your soul to Satan, he will enable you to live forever”. Of course, it never asked, or answered, the question “with what do I live? If I have no soul, what am I, and what will I Live for?”
So, now we are “out of the Church and into the Laboratory”, the same type of person is still seeking without ever looking for a big picture. They think that DNA / RNA are everything – they really aren’t. In fact, it’s so typical of mankind to find something new and decide that it is way way more than it really is. For example, when Interferon was discovered as a chemical present in viral infections, it was assumed it could be made, and would then be answer to everything: cancer, all diseases, the works. Now? It’s faded to be a nothing. It is sometimes given to people with viral infections, but it’s effectiveness is limited.
I think it’s the same with the nucleic acids. They do a certain job, but it’s all they do. There’s so much about being a human they dont answer, and cant. IN fact, after the massive Human Genome Project, we discovered we have many many more proteins than we have genes to code for them. So – where do they come from?
Silence came the stern reply :-)
Those of us who never did believe the Darwinian Hypotheses have been maintaining a tactful silence, since that too has been blown out of the water.
So – to mechanically transform a human to live for ever? It cannot be done, because we are more than a bag of water with chemicals and some electrical activity. We carry a force from the universe, we call Life, or God, or Soul. But it’s there, it comes with birth, and it cannot be made.
What they will do I suspect is some very stupid things, some awful side effects will occur to the unfortunates caught up in it, then some Law of Unintended Consequences will catch up with them and the idea will be destroyed.
There really is no getting away from the Universal Principles, and that Law of Unintended Consequences gets you evry time if you try.
Just think of Frankenstein!! :-)
Thems me thoughts, anyway.
This is such a confusing thing for me Babuška. I enjoy technology, and I see stuff like self-driving cars and China going to Mars or somewhere and had a probe on the dark side of the moon and I enjoy computer technology. I also don’t worry so much about 5G, given one works with it with some smarts although many people do worry and are sensitive in a real way. Transhumanism I think we see in reality, those people that cannot choose their gender but say they are fluid and one cannot say are they man or woman, or fish or flesh lol.
I also see the use of technology in things that I like, like farming technology that is just making marvelous breakthroughs, stuff that I can enjoy and marvel at. I mean these days with drones and remote sensors, a farmer can have a bird’s eye view over the farm all hours and know plant health, soil condition, temperature, humidity and so on. Even as a young child I saw the move from milking by hand, to milking by machine and later learned how to inseminate animals – that all to me through a child’s eye, looked like something very very advanced. Now we have robotic picking of fruit, that does not harm the fruit, with sensors to pick at the right ripeness and so on.
So, a person like me considers this mainly a scare story. I think for people not scared of technology it may be pure fear messaging, but for others there may be real value. I do not know where the threat is and then I think I must be truthfully dumb because I cannot see the threat. Human machine interface? We’re doing that now in patients with brain injuries for example and it is good! More control? How and to what end and who? Confusion reigns :-)
No interface can create itself. It cannot dream, it cannot imagine, it cannot love, it cannot cry … well .. I see space for good humans still.
Strange – on this day, Caitlin Johnston updates her irregular, now and again coverage of the Qult that we’ve been talking about. Enjoy, there are two pieces.
https://saker.community/2020/08/20/q-anon-qult-qucumbers-and-psi-ops/
amarynth
Caitlin is a fearless fighter of Neoliberalism and its extremely ugly sisters….she pulls no punches.
Trump and his regime’s disgraceful treatment of Assange is ample proof that it is business as usual for the Deep State and that as POTUS he is completely devoid of any moral compass.
This is just one example of hundreds, but it is undoubtedly the most disgraceful.
It represents the most serious and blatant affront to journalistic freedom in global history.
Trump and Biden as the two ‘choices’ for POTUS prove just how systemically broken the Hegemon is in all functions, and that there is simply no hope of it avoiding its own self-inflicted destruction.
As sad as it is to witness an empire degenerate into such a dysfunctional and dangerous Weimar-like scenario, it is even more tragic to see the widespread denial of this and the likes of the pathetic 17th letter brigade’s attempts to hide a blindingly obvious truth. They also seemingly have this ability to recruit in what your would deem the most unlikely places.
The followers are widely entrenched and have even managed to infiltrate this site…some are scurrying around right now as the spotlight has been trained directly on them.
Bring it on!
Col
Are we seeing an attack on Russia as well as Belarus.A plot to “kill two birds with one stone”.We see Western agents stirring unrest in Belarus.And now we see the most well known in the West,Russian opposition figure Alexey Navalny collapsed and rushed to the hospital.With his supporters screaming he was poisoned.Just who do we think they will claim poisoned him,Putin of course.Are the West and Russian traitors trying to pull a “Belarus scenario” in Russia.
At the very least are they trying to stop Russia from taking action to support Belarus against the Western CR attempt.Thinking that Putin wouldn’t dare act while defending himself from charges of trying to murder Navalny.And if the West is lucky and Navalny where to die.They will have a field day blaming Putin .And trying to get his supporters rioting in Russia’s streets.
Of course RT isn’t helping either.Of all the things that could be said about Nanalny.A man with several court convictions against him.A neo-nazi supporter years ago (maybe now too).A man in bed with the West and in the pay of the US Embassy.But this is how RT,yes RT,described him,” Russia’s best-known anti-corruption activist”.
https://www.rt.com/russia/498584-navalny-condition-stabilized/
Looking at this somewhat cynically, it all appears so perfectly “stage-managed”, the speed of the responses by politicians, Merkel extending a welcome to him. A German air-ambulance sent to rescue him, film footage that is quite incredible, him drinking the alleged cup of poison Earl Grey, him screaming on board the plane from the toilets (the sort of thing that is often recorded on planes), and him being ferried away on an ambulance. It beggers belief that such images that went global within hours could not have been facilitated by serious propagandists.
In short I’m very sceptical about this. If he’s already on a ventilator in a hospital the act of transporting him to a Berlin hospital by plane sounds very dangerous.
My guess is that this has been planned in advance- whatever it is? It has been packaged to such an extent, that there are even colourful ribbons attached to the story box. I agree Uncle Bob the proximity to events in Belarus and this fresh poisoning (think Skripal and Litvenenko cases) is too convenient. Millions have now been propaganda drip-fed. These are now simple triggers for a further massive brain-washing event, that millions will niavely follow, it’s almost reached a Pavlovian level these days (think Poison ergo think Putin) encouraged of course by the MSM. I have just read the English Guardian (that gets the imprimatur of the intelligence servies) on this, who are in hysterical mode, as it has always done and will continue to do so.
A ventilator, which we have all heard about in Covid times is bad, even this “fact” strikes me as stage managed.
Youre right in all that you say. Had the same thoughts watching the news tonight.
But its useful to remember that with the Empire’s control of the complicit media all the they have to do these days, is to create *doubt in enough people’s minds.
There was never *any proof of ‘Russia-meddling’ – no digital fingerprints, ISP addresses, etc, never any proof of the Skripals’ poisoning, never any proof of the Kremlin/FSB’s involvement in Nemtsov’s assassination on an exposed location as a bridge, which was really Putin’s horse head in the bed moment – if youve seen The Godfather films.
The Empire’s oldest trick in the book is to smear an opponent’s character usually with a financial scandal or sexual scandal as in the case of Assange
The “German NGO” that sent the plane to pick up Navalny, is none other than the Cinema for Peace foundation, based in Berlin. According to Wiki in 2014, Jaka Bizilj as the Founder of Cinema for Peace invited Pussy Riot to the Olympic Games in Sochi and brought them to Hollywood and to Washington in order to promote global human rights responsibility and advocate a global Sanction List for human rights offenders.”
It’s the same NGO that flew Pussy Riot member Pyotr Verzilov from Moscow to Berlin in 2018 also for suspected posioning. According to Guardian report the same Verzilov approached Bizilj in this instance regarding Navalny.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/21/cinema-for-peace-the-ngo-trying-to-airlift-alexei-navalny-to-germany
What a small world!
On my car radio Navalny was one of the main items, portraited as ‘critical on the government’ (in the next stage it will be ‘critical on the regime’, I guess). First it was mentioned that poison was found, later corrected.
Are we seeing the creation of another Gaylord Guaido, or a Skripal 2.0? Maybe the last.
I’m sure Merkel, in her righteousness and compassion, will also send an ambulance plane to London, to take care of the failing health of Julian Assange, who published ‘some criticism’ about the behavior of the US military.
Cheers, Rob
Mothers
I don’t know ’bout others
But mothers forgive,
Sisters and brothers
And fathers, what’s more.
All who approach
And knock on her door;
I don’t know ’bout others
But mothers forgive.
I don’t know just how,
But mothers endure.
Husbands and lovers
And marital beds,
Sons and daughters
And overblown heads;
I don’t know just how,
But mothers endure.
I don’t know ’bout why,
But mothers persist,
When good turns to bad,
And all hope is lost,
They never stop
To count the cost;
I don’t know ’bout why
But mothers persist!
I don’t know ’bout numbers
But mothers survive.
They’re there at birth,
They’re there at death.
They’ll defend what they love
Till their last breath;
I don’t know ’bout numbers
But mothers survive.
I don’t know ’bout others,
But mothers are blessed!
They teach us to love
And lead the way,
To cry in the night
And rejoice in the day;
I don’t know ’bout others,
But mothers are blessed!
Wonderful and for me, emotional. Thank you Dimitar for sharing it with us !
Thank you, dear friend.
Dear Babuška, somewhere above in the cafe heights, your post which delighted and encouraged me with the kindest thoughts, thank you.
The name tuppence refers to the copper two penny coin, worthless virtually, and a colloquial form of affection.
As it happens, I was also involved in a production of Shakespeare’s Midsummer Night’s Dream at high school, and read the link you provided with the summary of the player Puck.
Puck employs magic to cause all manner of confusion and mischief, placing a substance on the unknowing sleeping eyes of various character’s, causing them to fall in love with whoever they first set eyes on upon awakening, even an ass… Eventually it all works out, and the right person love’s the right person.
Puck charges the play with drama and fun, and is androgynous, non gender-designated throughout.
Interestingly, the gender neutral character actively brings about mistaken identity ! I only just thought of that. Am I Puck-like, who knows, but mistaken identity I have suffered the consequences of myself. Am I brave, it’s hard to know oneself, but it’s not the first time in life I’ve been told so.
The Moveable Feast acts unfold one after another; new player’s welcome, no audition required, preferably no naval or senior menu gazer’s, but each to his own … Puck’s role is small, despite the impact, try to imagine a producer scaling the player’s parts according to the number of words they speak : no contrast, colour, life or dramatic interest, no audience either I suppose. Life is an art my friend, not a cabaret . . .
Nice double entendre, touche………………….
I share the same sympathy as Babuška did to you and agree with Sean De Lepre (as once named him). The cafe is such a place from its beginnings. I have learned a lot being here in all these years, not just English but many more. I’m sorry for not being capable of coming here more often, having to drink my cup made special for me in little portions of torment.
You cant make this stuff up … Lololololol
“Russian Opposition Figure Navalny Diagnosed With Low Blood Sugar-Induced Disease, Head Doctor Says
Details to Follow”
https://sputniknews.com/russia/202008211080235778-russian-opposition-figure-navalny-diagnosed-with-low-blood-sugar-induced-disease-head-doctor-says/
It’s going to be a perfect joy, after seeing Putin so instantaneously accused of being a murdering poisoner, to have to print that Navalny has been diagnosed as being in a metabolic induced hypoglycemia attack, which according to some informal reports may have been brought on by a week of heavy alcohol drinking.
I guess they’ll manage it in their usual way. Either it’s somehow Putin’s fault Navalny has a metabolic condition, or they jsut wont say a word, leaving the mental poison to ferment in their readers minds.
Sorry, but it’s going to be a perfect nightmare!
It was to be predicted. Anybody who has closely studied and watched Litvenenko or Skripal should have been very aware of what was about to happen. Unfortunately the Russian authorities have been too loose and frivolous, dare I say niave and rather incompetent in their crisis management. You will see the positive results in the next few days/ weeks.
It really looks like a case of yes, let’s play the humanitarian card here! Instead of a resiliant fuck off, and firm hand raised to the imperialist impertinence. How dare this Pussy Riot set up, and Hollywood funded luvvies act so, implying that our physicians are inadequate, or compromised, etc. Sadly the US and the UK will now dominate the ongoing destructive end game, not Germany or France, they are assistants. Just read Hilary Clinton’s tweets. The poison is still traceable don’t you know. It neds US or UK scientists to determine this.
Ivan Zhdanov, the director of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation is talking up the Litvenenko side. he has a deadly (radioactive?) substance in his blood:
“This substance presents a risk to the life of not just Alexei, but those around him too,” Zhdanov relayed the words of the unnamed? police official. “Everyone around him should be wearing protective equipment.” Navalny’s team believed hospital officials were stalling for time, possibly until the poison left his system.
Kira Yarmysh, Navalny’s press secretary, who is currently at the hospital is saying:
“The ban on transporting Navalny is an attempt on his life.”
Bill Browder on Twitter is saying Hazmat suits are needed for the medical staff as the “deadly poison” is dangerous to people around him”
Browder has also been thinking:
“Been thinking that Putin was emboldened to poison after watching MBS get away with murdering and butchering Jamal Khashoggi. After the initial outrage, MBS has been swanning around the world being treated with respect by all Western leaders.”
The more this whole industry churns out its bile and venom, the more it looks like a staged event. However, the ventilator side of things says that there is more to this than meets the eye. Patience is necessary but, the evil propagandists will not stop spewing their evil bile and dion of Putin and Russia. And the damage is done.
And the damage is done.
Maybe. Among a certain type of person, who just loves to have someone to hate, it will taken as iron clad evidence. But we can do not hing about them .Hates are going to exists all the time in every community.
More and more, I think these idiots have, thankfully, over played their hand – as tey always do. I see more comments now in the gutter-rag Daily Mail of the “for heavens sake, stop with the Russia blaming. Russia isnt our enemy, we have nothing to fear from them”. I suspect many think of Litvinenko, Skripal, and think “enough already, it’s getting boring”.
Which is fine by me.
My fear is that if they do go ahead and allow him to travel to Germany, like the
notorius OECD vis a vis chemical weapons, they will certainly find something nefarious and probably fabricate a story and find traces of “something untoward”, a new sophisticated super-subtle poison, etc. And wonder of wonders they will have the evidence for it. The doctors there were too primitive or lacked sophistication, had been told (better froced) not to say anything, etc. The equivalent of doping for Russian sportsmen and women that was mixed into their alcoholic drinks by the security services! The Russians should seriously think about this possibility, looks like his wife is trying to steam roller Putin.
I second that, abolish the hater’s, amarynth even received emails from people shouting about freedom of speech – imagine – I’m downing tools on that idea now, taking up freedom of every day reason instead.
The Guardian’s Andrew Roth (19.05 BST) is now running with the story Navalny: “ to receive treatment for a suspected poisoning“ and flown to Germany. In Germany they will find evidence of a suspected poisoning. And, of course Russia will deny this. However, like the denials for the poisoning of Skripal and Litvenenko, we know who wins such propaganda rounds. It was crass and stupid to allow this to happen, so now we have a political Michael Schumacher, or will Navalny miraculously recover?
Oh and we read: “The European court of human rights said it had received a request to grant an interim request allowing Navalny to be transported to Berlin for treatment.” NATO are moving heaven and earth for this man.
“If confirmed as a poison attack, bla bla”
“The suspected poisoning has attracted global attention bla bla.”
Last juicy quote from same article: “The whistleblower Edward Snowden, who is currently in Russia, wrote of the suspected poisoning: “If confirmed, it is a crime against the whole of Russia. There can be no democracy without dissent.”
So what’s the betting that they do find poison now? I would think the phrase to use, similar to Skripal, is “highly likely”!
Snowden is a disgrace. I’ve lost whatever respect I once had for him. To keep slapping the face of the nation and man who were the only one’s to save your sorry ass from a horrific end is beyond reproach. To say such a thing with not one scrap of evidence betrays a mind driven by prejudice and the satisfaction of its own baser emotions, rather than objective evidence, fairness and the most basic rule of all law — innocent until and unless proven guilty in a court of law, based on forensic, incontrovertible evidence.
This goes for all modern discourse, which is rapidly getting to be beyond the worth of spending time or energy of a sane person’s time.
Of course, it just may be that Germany, which isn’t Merkel;- many Germans from high flown, influential business people, to the rank and file, are furious with her, want a close relationship with Russia, and have voted in the majority to have ALL americans and their cesspit bases out of the country, telling America that Germanies choice of energy supply is none of their business – just may — confirm that there is NO poisoning, and a metabolic disorder, exacerbated by heavy alcoholic intake, is the cause of the problem.
Fingers crossed Germany is beginning to find some back bone after 100 years of decimation.
Yeah, I agree. He looks to me like a little entitled something or other, and there is no grace or thank-you to Russia for getting him a safe bed to sleep on. But the AG Barr said .. no pardon. I don’t know but my feeling is he will have to start getting happy with his circumstances.
I sure hope this can also lead to making amends with Serbia as well, such as acknowledging and apologizing for the barbarity of the war in the 1990s.
Surely Russia has kept some blood samples and DNA to prove they are his to prove their analysis…..and make available to OPCW if necessary so if he is poisened it must be since he left Russia. Methinks the German charity -who are they????)escape flight was so very very quickly made available at first notice. to be almost at Omsk in very few hours when surely Tomsk is many hours flight away . and flight and landing permissions must be approved….plane fuelled and medically staffed and stocked up with treatments and appropiate treatments( exactly what medicines and treatments are required for a suspected poisening of some rare untraceable poisen or even radioactivity..that is not your usual medical evacuation)..that one might think the whole thing is staged and a spoof.
Russia best get the geiger counters out at the moment to prove nothing radioactive….that places do have a clean bill of health to prevent speculations? Cos western press is so clever with their quotation marks in their claims statements etc.
@Tyson B
Just wait until the ‘doctors’ of the Charité hospital in Berlin will bring forward their diagnosis…..we know it already, don’t we ?
… Iran is “on a strategic roll” … with much confidence …
“There is a great variety of materials here, and secondly, the variety of consumers and producers of these materials is much greater than that of petroleum products,” Deputy Minister of Industry, Mining and Trade Mehdi Karbasian told Tasnim news agency on Wednesday …
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/08/19/632144/Iran-mining-oil-revenues-US-sanctions-steel-Trump
… along with …
Iran’s industries ministry (MIMT) said last month that a TV panel production line would be officially launched in late August and during celebrations to mark the Administration Week in Iran.
… plus …
The report cited MIMT figures as saying that local home appliance brands had churned out 207,400 sets of washing machines over the same period, an increase of 115.1 percent year on year.
… and …
Local refrigerator and freezer production also increased by nearly eight percent in late June to 328,500 units, said the report …
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/08/20/632241/Iran-local-TV-panel-production-report
A point amarynth made a while back regarding different views from science on any topic has been nicely illustrated in this Cafe.
On the one hand, we have a presentation by Arthur Firstenberg on work done by Dr. Neil Orr, surgeon of Severalls Surgical Unit, Colchester UK. published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. This presents evidence collected which purports to demonstrate that the standard surgical mask is of NO relevance or effectiveness in preventing the spread of microbial entities.
On the other hand, we have a presentation from 3 authors, US and Canada, who summarise claimed work which purports to show that masks are effective in reducing the spread of the Corona Virus.
As anyone might say – who do you accept?
In Academic circles, from Archeology, anthropology, Historical research, historical artefacts as well as in the sciences, there is a “next step” at this point.
This is to determine what they call “provenance” of the proffered article, viewpoint, claims etc. the history of ownership of a valued object or work of art or literature
Merriam Webster gives the exact definition as “the history of ownership of a valued object or work of art or literature”. This has become extended in actuality to mean “the proof of the value of a thing -{ in the case of artefacts, when and where it was first made}”.
In other words, it’s not enough to say “this article came from France circa 17C – you have to have the documented, or other, supportive evidence of it”. It is this which modern Egyptology lacks, when by just finding a statue of Khafre in the sand at the Great Pyramid of Giza, they instantly assume he built it etc etc, with no supportive evidence at all. In other words the provenance is lacking and thus the theory is falsified.
This is what we need to do with these two claims re mask effectiveness.
The first, that masks are of no effect, was written referring to a considerable range of scientists, across the world. Give that they are all subject to different social rules, Government edicts, social constraints and narratives, that they all come to the same conclusion gives weight to their testimony.
Secondly, the names and in some cases the Institutions, are given. This is valuable, as it means the work can be checked. For example, I took one as a random sample -Tunevall’s 1991 study, – and found he published in the Journal of World Surgery, with the abstract in English, French and German **. All the cited works are thus checkable for value.
Thirdly, and most importantly, the works range over time, from 1975 to 2015 . This means they are NOT subject to the current social restrictions we are all constantly reporting, of many viewpoints being suppressed, and of much Government interference in what is published, and viewpoints allowed to be expressed.
Finally, there is no reason to suspect any of these works of being “poisoned fruit”. A good wide definition of this concept is given here ” Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor used to describe evidence that is obtained illegally. The logic of the terminology is that if the source (the “tree”) of the evidence or evidence itself is tainted, then anything gained (the “fruit”) from it is tainted”
Nothing in any of the first evidence offered can be said to be “tainted” therefor.
Examining the second viewpoint offered, that masks are effective in controlling viruses, this is taken from one publication only. This publication is by 3 valid authors, 2 of whom are from the same institution, thus a spread of views is lacking.
The content of the article is purely assertion i.e. “that 200 countries” were included. However no evidence for this is offered. Which countries, by whom, with results published were, are not given. Thus none of the assertions can be followed up and checked by the reader.
There is no time range – it is only one publication and is very recent.
There is no background of results having been obtained against a variety of social and governmental contexts.
However, the article fails badly because of the “tainted, poisoned fruit” metaphor. It was published by the very organisation which itself is using Government power and the use of force to impose it’s view on populations – The Covid-19 Research Community page. This is analogous to taking evidence that smoking cigarettes does no harm published by Phillips Morris!
Thus, on provenance, for me, the first article carries much weight and validity. The second I dismiss.
** The fact that the Abstract only was freely obtainable is due purely to the policy most Academic publications persue – that of charging for full access. They are behind a pay wall too high for most of us to scale. However, any University Library can and will obtain them for staff members and senior research students of the University free of charge. Thus they are easily viewable and checkable.
… The Great Pyramid is Khufu’s … his name is written inside.
The small statue found is assumed to be Khufu but cannot be confirmed.
Khafre had the second Giza Pyramid built and Menkaure, the third.
https://saker.community/product/raising-stone-1-paul-hais-racks-and-pinions-theory/
[a] where is the name of Khufu written – and please, dont give me “quarry marks”
b] what does that prove if it was? If I go write my name of the rocks of Stonehenge – does that mean I put them there?
Finally those who realise they have a lot to lose broadcast their united voice … 16 Aug 2020 …
Crowds of supporters of Belarus’ President Alexander Lukashenko gathered on Minsk’s Independence Square Sunday in a show of support for the beleaguered leader.
Many waved Belarusian and Russian flags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT4hmN-5Jeg
Perhaps Russia should be integrating with socialist Belarus ;-)
… anyway, looks like the attempted overthrow has fizzled out and Belarus will continue where the USSR left off due to USSR being dramatically destroyed by internal and external traitors of peoples collective rights and freedoms.
Belarus: Thousands attend rally in support of Lukashenko in Vitebsk …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30AK8dsfi8
( read comments to better understand )
There’s another comparative condition to put up against the so-called “number of confirmed cases” of Covid – with “case” not defined of course.
All this actually means is that they claim they have “tested +ve”. Again, if you dont know what test they use and what it tests for, the numbers again are meaningless.
However, even if we assume validity, lets compare them to Epstein-Barr virus. This causes a passing sickness in young people mainly, either childhood or adolescence, we call Glandular Fever, or Mononucleosis, or “the Kissing Disease” – it’s largely spread via saliva primarily, but also other body fluids.
90% of the population are estimated to have this virus. It’s highly contagious. More. It is causative of some very nasty further disease states, Hodgkins Lymphoma and other sarcoma cancers to start with.
Yet I notice no insistence on wearing masks to prevent this being spread, banning kissing among adolescents [and good luck with that one :-) ], or stay at home procedures. After all – it has been demonstrated as causing a nasty cancer. Moreover, it has a very high cancer link in people of African genetic ancestry, such people becoming more a part of Western Caucasian populations. Do the governments not care about them?
However, it’s also interesting to note, that although highly contagious, it needs close contact to spread. It doesn’t spread from saliva by sneezing, coughing, of talking. You actually have to be kissing.
None of which is very supportive of the current fashionable hysteria, is it?
Pamela, it is the hysteria that I object to today, and have objected to throughout. That this issue divided the population is no overstatement. It indeed did.
You’re making a fine argument for proper scientific process and procedure and I’m surely fully with that. But now carry that through to real life. All those that now say .. Masks Kill! We can use the exact same argument that is used on supposed Covid-19 deaths. Show me the co-morbidities, show me the length of time and what the person did and show me the mask – which mask made the person die, what was the person doing?.
Seems to me we are running around the proverbial hamster wheel, and can flip over the debates without even thinking, not?
In the two studies that you contrasted above, do you know what is missing? Your proffered study talks about surgical masks in surgical environments.
The one that the Col proffered talks about ‘worldwide’ mask usage as a general. They did not set out to check out the efficacy of face masks themselves. They set out to check out the efficacy of usage across countries.
We are not even talking about the same thing here – apples and oranges. I certainly don’t keep a ‘surgically sterilized’ environment so that does not really apply to me. Surgical masks vs ‘worldwide usage’ .. and we have to use the same ‘provenance’ (good word, but let’s use ‘previous studies’)? For the one, there are no previous studies – they are simply counting numbers. For the surgical mask study, they did some experimentation but in a highly contained environment.
My view still is that all, exactly all conversation here is politically driven even if our hearts are pure white as the driven snow and we personally mean well. So, how can we accept one word that anyone is saying? Gonna believe the politicos? or the ones that have a politically driven agenda? Or the ones that use a fair study for their own political purposes and pump up the narrative? Is there a study left that models current circumstances with all the very many variables? I have not seen one and cannot even design it in my head.
Even the one virologist that many people referred to (I forget her name now – Judy?), her motivation was to take down Fauci – did we see that, or notice that and considered that what she was distributing had motivation to take down Fauci, and perhaps that tainted what she presented? I’m not saying it is so – I’m just saying these things are important. You know and I know that good research is not done with motivations like these – that is why we have control groups, and why we hypothesize, and why we set out to confirm our own hypothesis, why we open for peer review (a busted system if you ask me) and so on.
Also, mask usage (whichever type – whatever) is not a standalone issue. It needs to be part of a complete social health design if a country wants to protect their citizens against a communicable disease. Again, I refer people to Vietnam. And Wuhan is partying. But a mask is but a small bit. In Vietnam specifically the mask became a sign of unity, the sign that we ‘suffer together’. It truly united people. I look at that and compare with the west, and I get just very sad.
The only thing that makes sense to me and gives a reasonable indication, is to check the countries that did good, vs the countries that did bad, and even that is completely subjective. The sad thing is that one part of the commons grabbed onto masks as a political statement and boom, we are divided. What makes me sad is that all that time was spent fighting masks, and only nowawadays is the dire economic picture emergent. I cannot for the life of me see that any clean and objective scientific type conclusions can be formed in our current atmosphere. Try it, design the study in your head, but it needs to be epidemiological yes, for all the variables.
In my mind, we could have avoided the bifurcation of western humanity, by simply giving the right procedures but looking back of course is better vision. If we took all this energy and used it on testing and creating specific protocols and medicines to simply live, we would have been further along and united. If we took all this energy and educated on proper mask usage, we would have been further along- but all this energy spent on what is the smallest of a complete protocol?.
Early on my thoughts were … this thing is not gonna stay in China, and if they want to kill us, the best defense and really offensive is to simply stay alive. If they want to kill off the oldies, let’s get in there and help at least where my mom stays for them to stay alive. So, let’s find a method to absolutely stay alive and I got to working with methods and protocols to stay alive and even get healthier. Nowadays we have a bunch of options long before they want to put that ventilator pipe down our throats. Things have changed materially and in the best of world, healthy people should not be wearing masks. Then we get to, who is healthy? How do we make that determination. The east got around it with saying it is the smallest of changes that could be made, so, let’s unite on this issue – and not handle ‘who is healthy’. The simplest of the determinations they focused on.
For masks, for me … short periods only, when you are among others – don’t fer god’s sake drive with the thing on – if you go and exercise or run, don’t do it with a mask – if your government says use it indoors or in your house they are insane and stupid, give them the finger and tell them they are insane and stupid and don’t do it – children can absolutely not wear masks – if they have drones circling to see if you are obeying, find out how you can shoot the thing down — aargh, you can write it as well as I can – but also stay of of their way and don’t let them corral you .. even if you have to pretend a little in public. Stay Alive – put sand in their gears – make them think you are obeying, but do not! If there ever is forced vaccination where we are, I will most probably buy the necessaries on the black market. Let’s create a blockchain black market.
Pamela, we divided ourselves – and about masks. In Vietnam for one example, they unified themselves – around masks. For us, yet again the community that calls themselves ‘woke’ or ‘enlightened’ or a little bit on the path of soul, we simply yet again fell for the division. And now we are moving into next phase divided. Is it any surprise that governments think we are sheep? About the world in general, I’ve been probably been involved in some way or another in the truth community for what feels like my whole life. I have never been so disappointed in the peeps. We have no skill in choosing the right battles.
Anyways, let’s continue putting the debates out there.
Yeah Gods and little Fishes .. sorry for the length – it just jumped out of my fingers.
amarynth, a quiet question, who is making the hysteria ?
Amarynth
And if the surgical masks being counter-productive theory was implemented and no Doctors or HCW wore any masks of any kind could you imagine the extent of the carnage in the treatment of Covid patients in hospitals around the world.
It was mayhem in many instances with masks being deployed…it simply beggars belief what the situation would be like with no masks and the resulting huge viral loads that health workers would have been subject to.
This proposal is so ridiculous it doesn’t even warrant discussion. It is about as incoherent as the theory that Covid-19 doesn’t exist. Taking these two beliefs in tandem one step further [because the virus is totally imaginary] then why would health workers bother with any PPE at all!
We might as well be spending vast amounts of time arguing with the flat earth society or the 17th letter brigade!
For crying out loud…YCHMTSU
Col
amarynth, ‘children can absolutley not wear masks’ just curious, why not? Here in the middle country when school returns all kids Grades 4-12 will be required to wear masks. At the daycare where my daughter works they are not required yet but they suspect it will be manditory soon. My daughter says the kids will think it’s ‘hip’ ‘cool’ to wear a mask, sure, but all day…………..
Views of a Maskeraid, my fav, the Kilroy, it rules. Couples walking hand in hand , one fully masked one not. Buddy on the bike, 37C fully masked, organ donor perhaps………….
And so many ladies in cars windows up………la, la, la……….self enforced bur……..never mind.
All the new mask styles being pumped out by sweat shops and mom’s basements……..tested? Test what.
Fashionable though…………get your Logo here.
On division, zero protocols, from anywhere, zero cohession. As expected………….
Cheers, have a great weekend, you deserve one, and a well aged single malt, M……….okay, a few.
For me that is a simple answer. Kids are still in a very large measure not prone to covid infections. Other ways can be followed, like a simple and regular temp check by someone that understands what they are doing. They are still developing, so no developing being should be inhibited in any way … and also that is my reason why I don’t vaccinate .. the immune systems are young – let them grow up and they can decide which poison they want to take. Also I don’t know about kids from other places but they run around yes. Its just altogether bad, like the Japanese custom of binding the female kids feet.
If I was in that position that kids had to mask for school, that is when I would homeschool or make a plan. School in itself is bad enough you know. I’m pretty much for unschooling. We gotto educate and not school. OK, my ideas are on the radical side.
“We Gatto educate and not school.”
https://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Mass-Instruction-Schoolteachers-Compulsory/dp/0865716692/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=Gotto+education&qid=1598072790&sr=8-4
Thank you, makes perfect sense.
Cheers, M
I thought foot-binding was a Chinese custom. Never heard of it being practiced in Japan before.
Just a temporary mind slip here – forgive me. Of course, Chinese.
Amarynth
A little bit of local street reporting from down under…
Indeed as you point out we have most certainly “divided ourselves” and this is happening in Kerikeri a mere 20 min drive from where I live. It is tragic to hear of a woman in a risky age demographic simply acting responsibly and doing her part to protect not only herself but others but being destructively ridiculed by reckless Covidiots.
…a quote from the link below…
“A Northland woman says she felt humiliated after being laughed at for wearing a face mask to protect against coronavirus.
Other Kiwis have been called “stupid” or “loony” for wearing a mask, falling out of step with official advice while Auckland is at alert level 3, and the rest of the country is in alert level 2.
Aucklanders have been strongly encouraged to wear a mask or face covering when out and about, while the rest of the country is encouraged to consider wearing a mask when they cannot maintain social distancing, such as on public transport.
Ihimaera and her husband were traveling home from Auckland, after finding out they could not attend a relative’s tangi due to the suddenly imposed alert level 3 restrictions.
As they had been shopping in South Auckland where the initial coronavirus cases were detected, Ihimaera decided to use a mask when using the Kerikeri public toilets to protect those around her.
“I’m 65, and a man who is older than me stepped towards me and laughed in my face. I said to him, ‘this isn’t funny’ and he turned around and just laughed harder, and made signs to me like I had a screw loose or was a crazy person,” she said.
“His actions were stamping on somebody’s mana… I felt sad, humiliated, and eventually angry.”
After posting about her experience on social media, Ihimaera was further disappointed to find out her experience was not isolated, with several other people also being mocked for wearing a mask in Kerikeri.
One woman wore a mask because she was on chemotherapy, and was disgusted to be mocked and laughed at.
Kerikeri resident Diane Hay said a close friend, who has lung problems and had a cough, was teased by at least two people for wearing a face mask at one of the town’s supermarkets on Thursday.”
…unquote…
Such sad and destructive ignorance and so close to home.
Sadly
Col
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300083046/coronavirus-kiwis-outside-of-auckland-mocked-laughed-at-for-wearing-face-masks
Masks versus no-masks; Q-true-believers versus pederast enablers; enlightened versus the ignorant. Desire is mimectic: rivals become obstacles; differences dissolve as tension escalates –double mirror image of the monstrous other. Violent unanimity sought but remains, inshallah, elusive.
Kind of how I see things playing out. But this too shall pass.
You and Chimmy now have me plumb depressed. We always hear ‘they’ are doing something to ‘us’. But good heavens .. we do more to ‘us’ than the scary ‘they’.
Spot on amarynth. The saddest thing of to me over the last few years, has been seeing the huge damage the people are doing to themselves, never realising the power we all have within.
I’ve been abused [ in another place ] for suggesting to one lady that no-one “makes” us angry, or “feel ashamed” and so forth. NO-one can get inside our minds and fiddle with the knobs to induce emotions. We do it to ourselves, by allowing our reactions to project, never asking ourselves “just why am I reacting like this”? It’s a stance very strongly supported by the current endemic of victimhood.
The worst thing so many are doing is allowing fear into our minds. As I’ve already quoted, but it could do with repeating, Ghandi said “they tell us the worst thing for us, is hatred, but that is wrong. The worst thing is fear”. Hatred comes from fear unidentified and fought.
There is a pantheon of thought – from the Manichees and on, out and down, who claim we have but 2 emotions, and it’s from those emotions our feelings arise. These two emotions are Love “and it’s opposite”. Interestingly, most people who study in this area dont say the opposite is hatred, but fear. I used to disagree, as I thought that anger was outside this – I get angry at people like Killary Clinton and Albright [ should be called Nobright], but I dont fear them. I know they cant harm me. Then, on reflecting some more I realised that I fear what they represent, which is all the evil let lose in the world.
So I’m working on not fearing that either. Just knowing that it will be defeated in the end – when the time comes.
Considering how badly Turkey is viwed by Syria as layed out at a recent UN meeting
https://www.syrianews.cc/jaafari-demands-un-halt-terrorists-without-borders-looters-of-syria/
How on earth does Syria put up with the Turkish Russian arrangements in northern Syria..does it not grate when Syrian representatives meet Russian ones and have to put up under sufference with both sides knowing what really is going on with Turkey as part of the alliance…is not Russia embaressed by Turkish actions…and should be doing everything to neutralise Turkish interests?
I’m wondering.
I just saw a part of the Joe Biden speech video: https://youtu.be/eZ3Ssxe8vsw
What are the odds, that a delusioned old man that could hardly complete two comprehensive sentences behind each other, hides in a basement and doesn’t want to debate Trump (can you imagine him debating with, say, Erdogan?) makes such a speech?
Apart from the gibberish talk (‘give people light’ – ah, he’s going to overhaul the fragile US power grid), I had a sudden thought.
*I think it is a prefab deep fake video.*
I can’t believe that they injected him with such a mix of cocaine, turkish coffee and a still unknown south american frog extract, that he could do this.
Call me stupid, but I don’t buy this as real.
Cheers, Rob
Does one get viagra for the entire body? or is that one the frog extract? Did you see for how long period he did not blink? Hahaaa … I tried to blink only when he did, and could not – had to blink more times. Anyway, I think of him as either a trojan horse, or as a scarecrow. Speech was fine and stuck together and made sense surprisingly, but goodness, he does not inspire eh. What a bunch of hooie. Well, this was my first and will be the only experience of a speech from this particular neocon. They’re all lying pieces of feces.
Who would be the perfect President of the USA and Why?
hound
Geez Steve, that is a big question. Perfect, I don’t know that there is perfect anywhere – and I’m also in agreement with TheSaker that there is a good possibility that the US may break up or change in some way or another. The polarities are existentially deep.
And I don’t know that I know the players well enough to be able to say, but let me say who I like – No idea if he has the stones, but I like Massie, the republican fellow from Kentucky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Massie
Consider this not a person but a type ….
I don’t think it is a person as such. In the beginning I had much hope that if Trump did nothing else, he had the knowledge to fix things economically. It did not work out really – with the massive military expenditures. I hoped against hope that he could curb the military-industrial complex but of course, this is where the money is.
So, I think the problems are systemic, there is much collusion with Israel, way too much war hawkishness and just so much dishonesty.
That is about all I can say.
And to my honor, I have to say, the only chance America has is this president Donald. As his
horoscope tells, he will be a great one and as unexpected like Putin. A US-woman, asked why she
votes for him said: “Because he is no politician.”
Truly, I’m not too happy with his acts, but happy enough,… Russia says, no White House resident can do the difference in Empire’s policy. Maybe in the end a US-President could, but that means to believe in Miracles. I do, part of God’s gods.
Mind you: Russia, 1999, what even a “Saker” could have been able to tell about possibilities of the coming time.
And to astrologer it’s the same, hindsight is better than no-sight.
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2019/05/briefly-putin-miracle.html
Reflection is it, giving peace, nothing else. Contemplation of world in a world, circle in circle – each one is in an indispensable experiment of God. Not a nation is indispensable, but individuals are.
World, It’s an open system, open to interventions by God in human souls, e.g. in 1999 in the soul of
Mr. Jelzin.
I’m 78 and I like to leave a peaceful world for my granddaughter Paula. Vladimir Putin is the best, mother KPdSU inherited to Russia, when it needed it.
In America, the poker-Nation, bluffing and cheating as characters of success, who could it be, or is it him? Growing with the challenge?
Real thrust in God, arose with me in my late thirtieth, silently experiencing ‘He’ does a warmth into my heart, allowing me to embrace encounters, what by the way ‘simple’ persons use to do.
nearly incredible what and who God may be, the beginning, en sof, sige, the word, … but someone for daily community with.
Hence the words of one of today’s comments, about V.V.Putin and his (holy) genius, (KGB – Study of the West in Dresden) and Judo-Mastership) went to my heart. In all this Towabohu I have never felt so secure like under Putin’s Word-Stewardship.
So a lot of Cafe- agitation is beyond me. And? So What? I’l keep working on my heavenly field, reading the symbols of the weeks, ready to be mirrored by us earthlings in affirming or negating
meaning.
Precondition for that is what is called ‘reflection’, contemplating ‘meaning’: recognizing oneself as a unique (one time in Universe) ordered universe, being able to watch oneself, mirroring given fates,
discriminating the fitting and the non-fitting according to no instance but one’s heart.
I’m glad we are focussing on Belarus because as Saker pointed out in his discussion at the Solari report all the opposition movements are infiltrated and we have seen that here in the US with the psy-op on Millie Weaver and what I called the Conservative populist movement.
Modus Operandi : We need to learn to recognize it, how to confront it and shine a light on its shadowy depths i.e. who is allied with it, how it is financed and the ultimate logic or illogic of its program. Yelling “Color Revolution” just adds cachet to their fires of chaos. Plus it is a misnomer. of a coup.
only in America: I don’t know whether to laugh or cry
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/mask-gun-shoots-medical-masks-on-peoples-faces/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20200821_FridayDigest_292&utm_campaign=/digest/mask-gun-shoots-medical-masks-on-peoples-faces/
There is a Plandemic 2 video out. Here is where one can play it (and I have not watched so cannot say anything) but it is also available on the various torrents for download.
https://mjhbpbsuxizn.ent-cdn.com/videos/5/f/3/b/d/5f3bd9191bdb6.mp4
In the comments here are more sources for those interested. https://www.sott.net/article/440023-Must-watch-Documentary-Pl-ndemic-2-Indoctornation-UPDATE-Ben-Swann-Interviews-Producer-Mikki-Willis
I have already watched it [via a link sent by ever valuable Alternative Health friend]. It’s very interesting, however I doubt much will be a revelation to most who read and post here.
The take over of the main stream everything, media, Pharmacy etc; the use by Google as a mass surveillance vehicle, plus of control and propaganda planted via what it allows discovered;. the medical issues of now; and a good take down of WHO.
I do have a couple of reservations though. It has too much of a habit of playing a game propagandists and smearers themselves play; that of making bald assertions without a scrap of evidence, and showing snippets of visuals to supposedly enhance the statement, but in fact have nothing to do with it.
An example is it’s claim that China is behind the WHO and funds it, shown with a shot of Xi Jingpin on a podium at some public event, looking either like any political leader, or, depending on how you want to view him, like a typical Communist Party Dictator; then another shot of him meeting the current, highly discredited, Chairman of the WHO in a formal setting. Which proves nothing – national leaders are required to meet many people, for diplomatic reasons sometimes.
I’m left interested in some of it, but with a question mark over the head of Brian of London Real. Something about him leaves me ……..I dont know. Disturbed? Uneasy feeling? Nothing objective, I’m the first to agree. Just a “feeling” I freely admit.
So it’s up the individual, as always.
China was severely abused for well over a century of humiliation and its top leadership is playing a Long Game to never allow itself to be so victimized again.
In the process I have no doubt that some Chinese researchers and scientists with extensive western ties have been recruited by bribery to play along with Gates, Fauci, Soros, Zuckerberg, Eric Schmidt (Google….Apple Tech Giants..)…Event 201 Controlla Virus Conspiracy…………..which of course sets China up as the scape goat.
Does that mean Xi is everywhere and knew everything, could head off any and all wrongdoing...but chose not to??
I kinda doubt it. Because assuming such would be playing into the trap of making China the Fall Guy……which is NOT a “good look” for the next several decades.
NO PLACE…..not even the UK is monolithically ALL Devils or Angels top to bottom……….so the cheap Single Issue Anti-China Epoch Times style tarring of XI leaves me highly suspicious…..of known enemies of long standing….in “the west”
I wish I knew much more of the details inside China…..but sometimes ….until more emerges….ya gotta go with your gut…..and my gut says don’t be naive…be wary…..but Xi at this time…… STILL has more more “cred” in my eyes….so far ….than All of the Above….plus BANNON……Pompass………….ANYONE in the British Ruling Class……and so forth…….who are mostly money grubbing power grabbing imperial swine or their obedient minions…..who don’t give a damn about humanity, truth or much of anything……….least of all 1.3 billion Chinese or Indians or billions of others………. except Looking Out for # 1.
But that’s just the start…..realizing the picture I/we have……..is quite incomplete….. and very much filling out and patience for much more filling out needs to occur ….. I am not precluding the possibility such can begin even more in earnest after Joe and Ho are given the Heave Ho Nov 3 …and the subsequent planned riots fizzle…… making the Empire Eternally and Forever Planned Great Powers CONFRONTATION…..WAR as cover for Its Deep State Actors’ escape and regrouping ……a failure…… and instead Reason and Cooperation in a FAR BETTER Century than the last one………..an actual reality.
Much as some people would prefer the excitement of seeing the missiles fly and especially the USA obliterated, broken into at least a half dozen pieces and left in ruins, I’ll never join them. Some Americans may indeed richly deserve such punishment ………but many others………………. finally waking up by the millions to the the Crimes of Bushes, Clintons and Obama…….not nearly so much.
Ergo, such negative passions were better restrained than encouraged…..and if people are still feeling them…they might reconsider at least briefly…..a few minutes each day…until enough positive change occurs for them to give up their revenge lust……almost entirely…in about a year or two.
On that straight flush of mine beating the Full House of Agreers???
Life got in the way today. I’ll tip my hand tomorrow.
Next Cafe.
Time to slap RT around again. sigh. It’s a nasty job but someone has to do it. Try not to hate me too much.
Ok. Today’s coverage on the news 8/22/2020 was actually fairly pedestrian as far as competent reporting goes.
Then they give coverage–lots of it– to a toad troll called Bernard-Levy. At that point my breakfast started to rise from where it had been happily parked in my stomach….so I had to turn off the news.
Rule #1 of internet, social media: you never feed the trolls,especially a discredited one like him.
#2 for certain characters no publicity…is bad publicity.
Congratulations, RT, once again you shot yourself in the foot!!!
RT ( continued slap down) But do not worry, RT, it is “highly likely” that you will have redeemed yourself even further in the eyes of those journalistic boards granting you awards for the double talk phrase you have just devised to describe industrial actions taken by the Belarus workers. Not strike!!!??? That is way too passe for the 20th century AI/robot world being birthed no, instead they decided to “boycott work”. So gentile, so polite. Even though they catcalled their “beloved” leader.
Now, why can’t those Belarus workers be like American workers and when they “boycott work” just go to the beach? or go for a pedicure?
If they had not shown the Leviy but….I would not have known.
https://www.stalkerzone.org/navalnys-daughter-confirmed-her-fathers-cocaine-use/
FLASHBACK: Navalny’s daughter confirmed her father’s cocaine use.
https://www.putin-today.ru/archives/106268
Why are we being persuaded to believe in Navalny’s poisoning?
https://www.mzk1.ru/2020/08/sledstvie-po-delu-furgala-prodvigaetsya/
Furgal’s investigation is progressing (Remember large scale protest in Khabarovsk for a criminal!)
The names of the security officials have become known, who supposedly helped the former governor of the Khabarovsk Territory Sergei Furgal for a long time to remain unpunished. The investigation believes that in the mid-2000s, the Far Eastern businessman remained in the shadows due to the trick with documents. How did it happen that Furgal’s surname disappeared from all the databases of the Khabarovsk security forces?
https://www.stalkerzone.org/i-will-celebrate-every-death-of-a-cop-revelations-of-a-belarusian-peaceful-protestor/
“I will celebrate every death of a cop”: Revelations of a Belarusian “peaceful protestor”
https://jpgazeta.ru/arhitektor-genoczida-bernar-anri-levi-priletel-na-pomoshh-tihonovskoj/
Liyia-Destroyer/Architect of Doom (behind close curtains) Bernard-Henri Levy flew to aid Mrs.Opposition aka Tikhanovskaya of BelaRus !!??
On the hands of this handsome gray-haired ghoul the blood of Libya and Gaddafi, Tunisia and Syria, Serbia and Afghanistan. Bernard-Henri Levy is both an ideologue and a practitioner of the good old democratic “genocide”.
And then,,, things are not getting better….
Florida man infected with brain-eating amoeba (Perhaps Pompeo-Pompus has been infected also, lol)
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200706/Florida-man-infected-with-brain-eating-amoeba.aspx
Presumable community derives from communion, as in ceremonial religious practice, but as in a community of people generally, or a community cooperative – good idea btw, it means contemporary individuals free in their outlook, managing life as best they can, wish to connect and share with others, in divers ways.
A community of individuals, not adepts, believers or followers of someone or anything, but people aiming to respect others and perhaps create something – how on earth does one do that ?? !!
Well, I’m afraid I have to take the bull by the horns : by practicing a non autocratic ethos. An individual can let things slide, take responsibility for their own conduct, get drunk, donate a million pounds, or have a cuppa at the Cafe, but if dictated to, or told what to do, a community of individuals can’t work, it’ll be something else. So,
what to do about Much Ado About Nothing? (that’s Shakespeare, I’m not breaking mod rules.) I’ll get my coat.
Just another sad example of man’s inhumanity to man:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syria-urges-un-help-after-turkish-backed-forces-cut-water-supply-1-million-people
Hi teranam
HRW tweeted that story that ZH published
HRW is headed by known NWO operative Ken Roth since 1993
Personally, I’d be very wary of anything that came out of the HRW head office
I understand that ZH is a news aggregator – but one of the reasons that propaganda is so powerful is because mis/disinformation is mixed with facts – and its time consuming for most people to sort out the two
The other reason of course is, that people living in so-called “Western democracies” – what a joke! – arent expecting propaganda – thats why it works
Regards
it is a story from al master news. not HRW. Hello?
A good way to get one’s head around Covid, is to understand the health crises (fiascoes,scams) that preceded it. Jon Rappoport’s writings are a good place to start: https://www.lewrockwell.com/author/jon-rappoport/?ptype=article
Oh, I agree. But go to his site directly as well
https://nomorefakenews.com/
and read the older materials. For example years ago he had a brilliant expose on measles .. you know, kids measles that they now get vaccinated for and with some help from some people with numbers, they tied suppression of childhood measles by vaccination directly to excess outbreaks of shingles, which is a problem for older people.
And he has done much to just expose the medical research community, and how research is contaminated with political aims.
Good guy to study, but do read but pick up from his older materials as well. You’ll never look at Big Medicine and Big Pharma the same again.
I will try to address this utter nonsense in the unlikely event of ME(Sorry Caps) regaining my sobriety etc.