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You misunderstand the point, gavishti.
What is really out there has no form, it is abstract. Our human faculties give rise to representable forms.
And we are not talking here about God, ie. the singular source of all energy. We are talking about the spirit, which is what connects mankind to everything else.
Everything that has a form, is invariably just a neurological projection. There are no objects out there that exist as objects independent of our perception.
Our perception is what molds an abstract flow of energy into definite objects.
Take a tree, for example. Our senses tell us that it is a solid object, it has color, a distinct shape and size, and we have even classified and categorized all the different trees based on their physical attributes as they appear to our senses. But our sensory perception is only superficial, it sees what Rumi calls the ‘surat’, the outward form of things, not their essence.
There is no way to talk about the essence, the spirit, of things, because it is all abstract and formless, but it is possible to beat around the bush, so to speak, and to elaborate by way of analogy.
So, in a manner of speaking, the essence of a tree is something fluid, it does not exist as a distinctly independent thing, as our sensory perception makes it out to be. Imagine that you are no longer bound by human perception of time, and what we perceive as one revolution of the earth around the sun, takes place in a moment. Observe the cosmos in its high speed motion, infinite aeons pass, stars are born and die and explode, their matter is scattered all over space, only to form into planets and stars all over again. Galaxies come and go, they crash and merge and split up again and are eventually swallowed up by infinity.
Everything is flowing, and there are no specific objects or moments in the flow, except within our perception. Take the tree, in the same high speed flowing motion. A seed falls to the ground. Moisture makes it pop and extend roots. Countless microorganisms in the soil live together symbiotically with the roots, the tree absorbs nutrients from the soil, carbon from the air, creates cells and tissues, and come autumn sheds its leaves, which are almost completely composed of carbon from the air, and the soil organisms feast. And the tree bears fruit, which other creatures eat, and in doing so, disperse seeds. Entire forests come and go, teeming with creatures, all in the blink of an eye.
But there is no tree. The tree and the water, and air, and the soil microorganisms, and the creatures that eat the fruit and spread the seeds, are all one. None would exist without the others. Without the oxygen generated by the trees, we would not exist either. So we are all one. From the star that exploded and created the earth, to the sun that shines down on us, and everything else there is, is all one thing.
It is our perception which creates duality, which is an illusion.
The way we treat the world and other creatures today, is an abomination. They are all our friends and family, without whom we could not exist. The way we treat other people is also horrendous. It is almost as if we want to destroy each other and the world.
This brings us to the next basic premise of religion: the enemy. Iblis, Azazel, Ahriman, Satan.
The law of opposites, or polarity, ie; “Nothing exists except in relation to its opposite”, along with a second principle, being that the positive is forever transforming into the negative and correspondingly, the negative is forever in the process of becoming the positive, governs the material universes and all temporal bodies within it. According to exact divine science, however, a third force is necessary to produce phenomena. This is a neutral force, which is best understood to the western mind as “the middle path”, and Soul of Itself, an atom in the body of Divine Spirit, is destined to one day discover Itself as an eternal being which shares the same qualities as Spirit.
All, or most, living in the material universes are not free. One who is continually reacting to circumstances,
who is enslaved to reactive habits, is forever being exploited by what you’ve termed ‘the enemy’, or the Universal Mind Power, aka Satan etc. This is so because man desires materialistic things and develops attachments to them. Man’s mind thinks that he needs these things for his survival, but all man’s attachments ever do for him is keep him on an endless round of birth and death, in order to reap the karma created out of his very wanting. Indifference, or detachment, therefore, is what is necessary should Soul desire to raise Its head and see what lies beyond this warring universe. If Divine Spirit, a creative, sustaining and maintaining force, seemingly observes all of life with a sense of detachment, then Soul, being made of the same substance as Spirit, must also develop this quality within Itself. Ironically, its only when Soul actually becomes detached that It can begin to help in many negative situations because It’s neutrality enables IT to become a vehicle for Divine Spirit. Soul’s focus shifts from ‘my will be done’ to ‘Thy Will be done’. This is what the mystics are referring to when they speak of being emptied, Spirit cannot work through a Soul consumed by Its own problems.
Detachment, or ‘vairag’, does not mean indifference to life’s suffering. What it does mean is being able to see and function from a level of life above and beyond what the common man cannot even begin to fathom. Life is indeed one, and until we see it that way, we’ll forever be suffering under the law of retribution, or karma. All of man’s problems arise from the segregations that the mind itself creates, and then tries to force into tiny little boxes. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink, as the saying goes, yet this what the vast majority of us try to do.
When Soul develops the quality of love within Itself, then It’s able to be effective in helping to alleviate suffering. The secret of life therefore, is so simple as to be astounding to the great intellects of the world today… all of Soul’s travails are to develop the quality of spiritual love within Itself, and thus become of service to all of life. If there is nothing else but love in life, then there’s more than enough to go around.
“According to exact divine science, a third force is necessary to produce phenomena…”
A perfect example of this is that man and woman are able to reproduce another human body, but the Soul, which is of neither, but of God, then enters the body and gives it life separate from the mother. Soul is the invisible entity, the oneness described so beautifully by Jamshyd, behind all of life. When It’s present, there is life, when It’s absent, there is death. When the body’s worn out, and can be of no further use, it’s discarded and Soul moves on to It’s next experience. There’s a term for Soul’s detached play, and enjoyment of Itself in all of Its myriad roles…
“Lila’s Dance”….John McLaughlin 12/09/17 Royce Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7wXfrdP8mY
I love the concept of the dance of matter, weaving in the creation and dissolving of eternal form and connectedness from Jamshyd
Dimitar, ‘Lila’s Dance’ didn’t really make the connection for me. I noticed the emotive, continuing repetition of the descending base tones of the guitar from the beginning with the so called ‘augmented fourth’ interval, known as the devils interval, a musical term expressive of its inner-sound dynamic and effect.
I can’t speak for John, but yes, there are better performances of his on the internet.
For example, the original Mahivishnu Orchestra track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?=ZSh0nmretso
I prefer this, similar riff/progression;
Shakti, “Lady L’, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kltZhAhZZr8
Dimitar, respect to you, but I was referring to the composition, not the performance.
Music in its original archetypal spirit is a divine source, as sounds are, the sounds of language, and like speech, one can use this in any way possible, to influence, reflect, create evil, good, anything at all,and in limitless ways. That is how it is, no two people are the same, nor two pieces of music, and not any verse, similarities, yes.
The aspect of infinite possibility, this is liable to create confusion. The laws of music, the knowledge of tones, harmonies, intervals, rhythm and beat (two entirely separate things), these allow freedom.
The Shakti version is very different, Indian music has another source, laws all of its own.
I realise that, friend, music in any case is a matter of personal taste. Please post some examples of what you feel fulfills your criteria mentioned, if you’re so inclined, because like visual art, poetry etc. it needs to be experienced. Words are meaningless when trying to describe it. Cheers, D.
I shall do indeed, and music, verse, art and life need to be experienced, that is very, very true, and to add to that, what is perceived as personal taste, is liable to change.
adults teach children
the ways of the world,
but children show adults
the way the world was
meant to be
Very perceptive comments Jamshid on sensory perception, I very much like your description of the ‘speeded-up’ universe and forest. As you correctly state we can never know the underlying reality except through analogy. The Greek philosopher Plato used the of FORMS as the only realities: instances or instantiations of the form are what we perceive, never the underlyiing form. For example, there is a form for a tree and any tree we perceive with our senses is a representation of that tree form. In more recent times the German philosopher Kant talked about the underlying form as the ‘thing-in-itself’.
A strange paradox, we can never know or experience the thing in itself yet by analogy we can think about it and thereby have an approximation to knowledge about it, as in (to use a sensory analogy) a figure in the mist at a great distance, vaguely perceived as constantly changing shadows. Except that forms never change.
Is this a University Challenge Cafe, my head hurts, I think I may have mental Covid pandemic symptoms already!
On the other hand, it’s a new day and there’s time to consider men’s mental menus, adroit minds, not past it as Biden’s, or was his ever ahead of the curve ?
Digression and Time can be important cafe kitchen components, what’s the rush, ah, the world crisis, now I remember, hmn, 76 million waiting for the messiah, syringes poised, the world population gagged, the great reset ushered in… well, not much then.
I’m getting to the reset factor, but not yet, later, after coffee, it connects to the mind stretcher thoughts above, I think . . . .
76 million Trumpet (Trombone) Player’s in the Hit Parade
https://youtu.be/nqlwvArriLk
“As you correctly state we can never know the underlying reality except through analogy.”
Your discourse keeps to the realm of philosophy and you quote a number of them to give weight to what you’re trying to say.
You can only ever experience the underlying reality. Then when you express it through words, it becomes
“philosphy” that others read, and philosophise about.
“We can never know or experience the thing in itself yet by analogy we can think about it and thereby have an approximation of knowledge about it….etc.”
So Much To Learn; try thinking about it this way… you can only know and experience the thing in itself, because what you are experiencing is yourself. Yet most people do not know what they are experiencing because they do not know themselves, let alone capable of expressing what they’ve experienced. Our best hope is in music, art and poetry. These are the ancient universal languages of man, before language was invented, and religion and politics were in turn invented. They exist to describe man’s inner experience of God. They exist because man has and always will have the experience of God within himself, but he doesn’t know what it is, and therefore, how to harness it in his favour. Music, art and poetry point him in the direction he needs to go and that is direct experience with the music of the spheres Itself.
Wow what you are saying is opinion; not facts. Objectivism; says Ayn Rand, begins by naming and validating its primaries. Existence, consciousness and identity as the basic axioms. Existence is identity. A is A.
Our identity is a solid. If it were not; that is if we were a liquid or a gas, we would not be able to see forms in this four dimensional world we live in.
What you express cannot be proved or disproved so nothing can be debated or learned. But objectivism; the philosophy of Ayn Rand, can be proved so it is worth discussing matters of epistemology because we gain knowledge of our world from it. This is how science investigation works in our world.
Sure our senses inform us of the outside world. Sensation to perception to reasoning to abstraction reveals to one the elements of experience. And these elements of experience with its categories present themselves to our mind. We are born with a blank or empty mind. It is not the opposite. Watch the life of a new born baby and one can see the pattern of development of our brain as the baby experiences existence and identity.
It is amazing that we are born into this world with a body for mobility and a brain that can develop and guide this body for the purpose of developing something else in us into a self directing individual. This is what the sinister forces running this world want to keep us from doing by pushing collectivism, socialism and communism on us.
I’m sorry that you didn’t understand the point, mate. What you seem to be saying is that you already know everything you need to know, so maybe this is not for you.
I do find it puzzling that you would come out to dispute my comment, but then fall short by admitting that you cannot disprove it. What was the point of disagreeing then?
Our disagreement stems from the fact that my standpoint begins from the position of the paradigm of the primacy of consciousness (-ish), whereas you subscribe to the paradigm of the primacy of matter, ie. materialism.
That is why you believe you are, as you say, a solid physical object, and nothing more. But I know that I am an awareness first, a feeling, and only a physical body second. To use Rumi’s terminology (assuming that you have followed the discussion from the beginning), like everything else in the world, we are not just a ‘surat’ or face — that which we appear to be outwardly — but also a ‘sirat’ or essence — that which we are inwardly.
Our outward face is the physical body. But our inner essence, is something abstract and mysterious; it is the awareness, the consciousness, the thing that makes us perceive. And for that “thing that perceives”, the physical body is just another thing it perceives, like the trees and the mountains and the sky, it [the physical body] has no special status in an absolute sense.
What keeps our perception trapped and fixed within the physical body is our perpetual self-concern, which arises from our idea of self-importance, which gives us the notion that we are our physical bodies, which you have stated that you take to be your identity.
But I believe I have demonstrated that the physical body, just like the tree, is not something that exists as an individual object by itself, as itself. The physical body is part of a whole. That whole is what we are, but our perception has been bound to just a part of the whole, which we call the self.
You mentioned how human babies develop. When a human baby is born, it does not yet distinguish between itself and everything else. It has no self-awareness; like all animals. For a baby, all is one, and the spirit is what moves him or her, not the self-image, which only comes about when we develop an idea of our selves, an ego, which is a mental image that we take to be our selves. (When you look in a mirror, what you see is a neurological projection, a ‘surat’, a face, not a “real” thing.)
As a child learns words, it learns to isolate and distinguish meanings that those words represent, starting with mama and dada, and eventually all the items that make up the description of our world. What we have done is to confound the description of the world with the real thing.
So far, I have tried to stay within the realm of rational academic ideas. I am afraid that you are going to find what comes next very hard to digest, which is the topic of the enemy, who I choose to call Ahriman because of my Aryan background, and to honor Zarathushtra, the man who first discovered the existence of the enemy as such.
The reason we are bound in our perception, and find ourselves trapped and imprisoned in this material world, is because of the enemy. If it were not for the enemy, who came to us millions of years ago, we would be like every other animal in the world.
So, who or what is the enemy that has made human beings so devious compared to the simplicity and innocence of other creatures?
What is it that has brought us to this brink of catastrophe on the eve of the great reset and compulsory vaccinations, and the new world order which seeks to make mankind a hopeless prisoner and slave under perpetual digital and biometric surveillance?
My aim so far has been to introduce certain faculties of perception, which I have referred to as silent knowledge. It is an undeniable fact that our eyes cannot see everything that is out there, and as such our languages also cannot describe all that is out there. Our physical faculties of sensory perception cannot see the enemy. But if we revert back to silent knowledge, which is how all animals “know”, we will be able to grasp and “see” the shadowy figures that are all around us, whispering in our ears, leading us to our doom.
A history lesson is in order. The tale of the early Christians..
The following is an excerpt from “The history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire” by Edward Gibbon circa 1776.
I am quoting it here so that all can know how the early Christians felt about the Pagan gods of Rome, and to demonstrate the fact that every aspect of Roman society was somehow associated with these gods. Simply put, it was the gods and their worship which shaped the Roman world.
“But the established religions of Paganism were seen by the primitive Christians in a much more odious and formidable light. It was the universal sentiment both of the church and of heretics that the daemons were the authors, the patrons, and the objects of idolatry. Those rebellious spirits who had been degraded from the rank of angels, and cast down into the infernal pit, were still permitted to roam upon earth, to torment the bodies, and to seduce the minds, of sinful men. The daemons soon discovered and abused the natural propensity of the human heart towards devotion, and, artfully withdrawing the adoration of mankind from their Creator, they usurped the place and honours of the Supreme Deity. By the success of their malicious contrivances, they at once gratified their own vanity and revenge, and obtained the only comfort of which they were yet susceptible, the hope of involving the human species in the participation of their guilt and misery. It was confessed, or at least it was imagined, that they had distributed among themselves the most important characters of polytheism, one daemon assuming the name and attributes of Jupiter, another of Asculapius, a third of Venus, and a fourth perhaps of Apollo; and that, by the advantage of their long experience and aerial nature, they were enabled to execute, with sufficient skill and dignity, the parts which they had undertaken. They lurked in the temples, instituted festivals and sacrifices, invented fables, pronounced oracles, and were frequently allowed to perform miracles. The Christians, who, by the interposition of evil spirits, could so readily explain every praeternatural appearance, were disposed and even desirous to admit the most extravagant fictions of the Pagan mythology. But the belief of the Christian was accompanied with horror. The most trifling mark of respect to the national worship he considered as a direct homage yielded to the daemon, and as an act of rebellion against the majesty of God. In consequence of this opinion, it was the first but arduous duty of a Christian to preserve himself pure and undefiled by the practice of idolatry. The religion of the nations was not merely a speculative doctrine professed in the schools or preached in the temples. The innumerable deities and rites of polytheism were closely interwoven with every circumstance of business or pleasure, of public or of private life; and it seemed impossible to escape the observance of them, without, at the Same time, renouncing the commerce of mankind and all the offices and amusements of society.” The important transactions of peace and war were prepared or concluded by solemn sacrifices, in which the magistrate, the senator, and the soldier were obliged to preside or to participate. The public spectacles were an essential part of the cheerful devotion of the Pagans, and the gods were supposed to accept, as the most grateful offering, the games that the prince and people celebrated in honour of their peculiar festivals.” The Christian, who with pious horror avoided the abomination of the circus or the theatre, found himself encompassed with infernal snares in every convivial entertainment, as often as his friends, invoking the hospitable deities, poured out libations to each other’s happiness.” When the bride, struggling with well-affected reluctance, was forced in hymenaeal pomp over the threshold of her new habitation, or when the sad procession of the dead slowly moved towards the funeral pile ; the Christian, on these interesting occasions, was compelled to desert the persons who were the dearest to him, rather than contract the guilt inherent to those impious ceremonies. Every art and every trade that was in the least concerned in the framing or adorning of idols was polluted by the stain of idolatry;” a severe sentence, since it devoted to eternal misery the far greater part of the community, which is employed in the exercise of liberal or mechanic professions. If we cast our eyes over the numerous remains of antiquity, we shall perceive that, besides the immediate representations of the Gods and the holy instruments of their worship, the elegant forms and agreeable fictions, consecrated by the imagination of the Greeks, were introduced as the richest ornaments of the houses, the dress, and the furniture, of the Pagans. Even the arts of music and painting, of eloquence and poetry, flowed from the Same impure origin. In the style of the fathers, Apollo and the Muses were the organs of the infernal spirit, Homer and Virgil were the most eminent of his servants, and the beautiful mythology which pervades and animates the compositions of their genius is destined to celebrate the glory of the daemons. Even the common language of Greece and Rome abounded with familiar but impious expressions, which the imprudent Christian might too carelessly utter, or too patiently hear. The dangerous temptations which on every side lurked in ambush to surprise the unguarded believer assailed him with redoubled violence on the days of solemn festivals. So artfully were they framed and disposed throughout the year that superstition always wore the appearance of pleasure, and often of virtue.” Some of the most sacred festivals in the Roman ritual were destined to salute the new calends of January with vows of public and private felicity, to indulge the pious remembrance of the dead and hiving, to ascertain the inviolable bounds of property, to hail, on the return of spring, the genial powers of fecundity, to perpetuate the two memorable eras of Rome, the foundation of the city and that of the republic, and to restore, during the humane Licence of the Saturnalia, the primitive equality of mankind. Some idea may be conceived of the abhorrence of the Christians for such impious ceremonies, by the scrupulous delicacy which they displayed on a much less alarming occasion. On days of general festivity, it was the custom of the ancients to adorn their doors with lamps and with branches of laurel, and to crown their heads with a garland of flowers. This innocent and elegant practice might, perhaps, have been tolerated as a mere civil institution. But it most unluckily happened that the doors were under the protection of the household gods, that the laurel was sacred to the lover of Daphne, and that garlands of flowers, though frequently worn as a symbol either of joy or mourning, had been dedicated in their first origin to the service of superstition. The trembling Christians, who were persuaded in this instance to comply with the fashion of their country and the commands of the magistrate, laboured under the most gloomy apprehensions, from the reproaches of their own conscience, the censures of the church, and the denunciations of divine vengeance? Such was the anxious diligence which was required to guard the chastity of the gospel from the infectious breath of idolatry. The superstitious observances of public or private rites were carelessly practised, from education and habit, by the followers of the established religion. But, as often as they occurred, they afforded the Christians an opportunity of declaring and confirming their Zealous opposition. By these frequent protestations, their attachment to the faith was continually fortified, and, in proportion to the increase of zeal, they combated with the more ardour and success in the holy war which they had undertaken against the empire of the daemons.”
I have chosen to open this debate with a historical account of the early Christians, even though it was the Zoroastrian Aryans who were the first and original people who rebelled against the old gods. I have done so because for one, the Zoroastrians are too obscure, whereas everyone knows the Christians, and also because I wanted the historical account to come from a critically acclaimed and impeccable source. But both Christians and Zoroastrians followed essentially the same pattern in their renunciation of the worship of the gods.
You had explained this, so very well, in your previous conclusion –
“By contemplating how meaning can exist without words, how knowledge can exist without language, one will be putting oneself on the threshold of silent knowledge, which is knowledge of the spirit, which is like an intuitive direct knowledge of things. The knowledge of meanings, not forms.”
This is similar to concept of Neti Neti (Sanskrit : नेति नेति) which means “not this, not that”, or “neither this, nor that”. With its aid the Seeker negates identification with all things of this world which is not the Atman, in this way he negates the Anatman (Not-Self). Through this gradual process he negates the mind and transcends all worldly experiences that are negated till nothing remains but the Self. He attains union with the Absolute by denying the body, name, form, intellect, senses and all limiting adjuncts and discovers what remains, the true “I” alone.
There are so many paths to reach the Ultimate, one has to be patient for one’s guide.
For you my dear friend, a beautiful ghazal by the esteemed Amir Khusrau, written in Persian and Hindi –
“Zehaal-e-miskeen makun taghaful”
https://youtu.be/0zX3gxwdZog
Cheers !
Thank you, gavishti. I appreciate that very much.
Our people are very closely related, as I’m sure you know. Not just racially and linguistically, but also culturally, there has been much exchange of ideas.
When the Arabs invaded Iran, many Zoroastrians fled to India, where their descendents still live to this day. If it were not for them, and for the hospitality afforded to them by your people, the Avesta and the Zoroastrian tradition would have been forever lost. I feel we are forever indebted to your people for that.
Before the coming of Zarathushtra, my people and your people worshipped the same pantheon of gods. Our people even share ancient heroes, like Kavya Ushanas, who is mentioned in the Vedas as a seer, as one who was closely associated with Indra, and as one of the oldest poets in the world, who according to Iranian tradition was a seer-king of Bactria, some time around 2500 BC.
But the truth is that it isn’t just Indians and Iranians who are very closely related. The Latin word Deus (God) derives from Old Latin deivas, which is the same word as Sanskrit dyaus, all of which are derived from Proto-Indo-European dyeus, which means sky or heaven. The Proto-Indo-European ‘deity’ (also from the same root) associated with the heavens was called Dyeus Pter, Sky Father.
By Vedic times, c. 1500 BC, Sky Father had been replaced in prominence by a figure called Indra, a member of a group called the devas, literally the heavenly ones, the divine ones.
Dyeus, or the heavens, is a place, or rather a state of consciousness. It is the bodiless state of pure perception that we return to after we die. It is the state we enter when dreaming. It is a state that the ancient Aryans were entering through the ingestion of Haoma (Sanskrit Soma.) Haoma is a hallucinogenic plant concoction.
In that other world, our ancestors encountered entities that appeared to have consciousness. The modern literature on hallucinogenic plants is packed with descriptions of such encounters.
Whether real or imaginary, our ancestors ended up worshipping some of those devas, those beings from the other world. The Greek equivalent of Indra is Zeus, the Roman Jupiter.
The Finnish equivalent of dyeus is taivas, which is sky or heaven. Proto-Germanic teiwaz, which is Old Norse Tyr, from whose name is derived Tuesday.
The heavens and god were two distinct concepts to the ancients. The heavens were a realm of consciousness, the counterpart of the earth. It was where the ‘divine’ ones and the ‘devils’ (both derived from the same root, dyeus) were believed to reside.
During the period when the Aryan people were worshipping Indra, and Agni, and Soma, and other devas, a man named Zarathushtra, began preaching that the devas were not worthy of worship, and that people ought to worship and abide by the diktats of the singular source of all energy, which he called Ahura Mazda, the Wise Lord, and to follow the designs of Spenta Mainyu, the Sacred Spirit that the world is imbued with. Zarathushtra is credited as the founder of monotheism.
Zarathushtra claimed that this world had been created perfect, but that an outside force had penetrated it and was waging war against it, and against us. He predicted that things would get progressively worse in the world as time went by.
The outside force was the devas. Zarathushtra called them demons, devils. They were apparitions that his fellow men were seeing under the influence of hallucinogens. So, Haoma fell out of favor with the Zoroastrians.
The famous Greek mystery religion and secret society, the Eleusinisn Mysteries, was also a cult of a hallucinogenic plant sacrament, which was called kykeon.
Zarathushthra beckoned people to take part in the war for their salvation, and to fight for life and the living by doing good deeds, saying good words, and thinking good thoughts.
The most important yearly festival of the Zoroastrians was No Rooz, which is New Year, on the spring solstice, the only festival that survived the Muslims. No Rooz is significant because it is the sign of the covenant between the faithful and the spirit, that just as the coldest, darkest winter is dispelled by the warmth and brightness of spring, so shall the evil in the world be vanquished, albeit after a very long and bitter winter.
Thank you for your elucidation Jamshyd,
Ushana or Rishi Sukracharya, as he is also called, is the spiritual guide of the asuras. He was an elevated Brahmin.
In the Bhagwat Geeta ch.10 verse 37, Sri Krishna says –
“Of the descendants of Vrishni I am Vasudeva, and of the Pandavas I am Arjuna. Of the sages I am Vyasa, and among great thinkers I am Ushana.”
Among the Kavis (philosophers, poets) Ushana, Sukracharya, was the spiritual master of the asuras; he was extremely intelligent and far-seeing. In India Friday is Shukravaar named after Rishi Shukracharya.
Kavi Ushana (Shukracharya) is a really ancient figure, already a legend in the Rig Veda itself. He was the guru of Proto-Iranians against the Vedic people. Though Iranians forgot about him eventually and even thought he was an enemy, Vedic texts remember him with respect 🙏
Fascinating stuff, gavishti.
The richness of the Indian tradition is unmatched anywhere in the world. Very many great sages and thinkers have come out of your country, too many to count. And the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, the Mahabharata, and of course the Rigveda, are true jewels of knowledge.
I am impressed that you know Ushanas. That is excellent.
The situation in Iran, in regards to ancient knowledge, is very sad. The Arabs did not leave a single book unburned. Not a single one, without exaggeration. Of the 21 Nasks or volumes of the Avesta, only one is still extant, the Vendidad, which the Parsis kept in India.
Before the Arabs, Alexander similarly burned and destroyed everything. And after the Arabs, as soon as the Iranians started to accumulate knowledge again, the Mongols came and again destroyed everything and ethnically cleansed countless Aryan cities and towns. The Mongols were in the habit of parking their horses in Iranian libraries, where they ate all the books.
Everything that Iranians believe today, including the idea that Kavi Usa (Ushanas) was a clown and a bad guy, as you have alluded to, is complete and utter nonsense. I happen to believe that modern Iranians are the most idiotic people who ever lived. There are certain rabid anti-Iranian clerics here who even go so far as to preach to the masses that all of Iranian history before the arrival of the Arabs is just a delusion. These imbecile fifth column clerics subscribe to a Muslim globalist doctrine, a mirror image of the Zionist globalist aspirations.
Please tell me more about the fascinating ancient knowledge of your people.
From ‘Ancient education system’ – 43rd installment.
Nalanda Destruction and Father of Education of India.
There is a legend – When Bakhtiyar Khilji fell, his personal advisors requested him to consult the Nalanda University’s head of Ayurveda department for treatment. Khilji was said to be so irritable, obstinate and staunch that he placed a condition before the Ayurvedacharya to cure him without feeding him. It is mentioned that while respecting his medical profession, Acharya Shilabhadra also understood his duty to save the life of an invader, so in secrecy he applied the medicine in the pages of that holy Quran which Khilji himself used to read. The medicine reached Khilji’s tongue with his finger when he touched the pages of the Holy Quran. Through this Shilabhadra miraculously healed the Turki invader. However, vampires do not have friends; within this cruel Turk, jealousy was born, as to, how could a Vaidya have such a superior knowledge? He was eager to know the source of this knowledge and destroy it.
The establishment of Nalanda is credited to the Gupta ruler Kumaragupta I (450–470 AD) and the international fame of this Nalanda has remained uptill the twelfth century. An ordinary general, Akhtiyaruddin Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khilji then invaded Udantpur in the present Bihar region with only two hundred cavalry and conquered its forts. When Nalanda was invaded there was no army inside, in the light of non-violence and education what is the need of an army ? It is said that soldiers are not only for war but also for defense in the event of imposed war. Bakhtiar Khilji wreaked havoc on the unprotected Nalanda University in the absence of an army. Students and teachers also did not get organized and faced this terrible enemy. Thousands of students and teachers were killed. An invader who wanted money, how much gold could he scrape from a university? When the ungrateful Khilji was not relieved by the blood of teachers and students, he set this university on fire in 1199 AD.
Persian historian Minhaj Shirani in his book ‘Tabakkat Nasiri’ has given a very touching and lively description of this destruction. He wrote that “Bakhtiyar Khilji Turk attacked this great center of education in his campaign to establish Islam by the sword. He set the entire university on fire after heavy attack and loot, so that nothing could be saved there.”
What an excellent era it must have been when about ten thousand students were studying here and one teacher for every seven students. The remaining few students and teachers tried to start teaching in Nalanda again, but they were also killed by Bakhtiyar’s soldiers.
Nalanda once had three major libraries – ‘Ratnaranjak’, ‘Ratnoddhi’, ‘Ratnasagar’. A library building used to be of nine floors. There were so many books that when burned Bakhtiyar’s soldiers cooked for Khilji’s army for six months.
It is said that many teachers and Buddhist monks saved many rare manuscripts by hiding them in their clothes and took them to Tibet. Later, these same scholars converted the Tibet region into a larger center of Buddhism and knowledge. However, it would be relevant to add that the Chinese attack on Tibet’s autonomy and the cultural purity of its own, can in a way be equated with Khilji’s invasion of Nalanda. Tibet did not perceive the need of an army to protect its heritage and knowledge and like Nalanda or Vikramshila everything there is hidden within the layers of its soil. The identity of Tibet is being destroyed in the same way as Nalanda was once added to the soil. For the way the great researcher Rahul Sankrityayan succeeded in bringing back copies of many ancient manuscripts from Tibet to India and translating them for the benefit of our generation, we may never repay his debt.
Why it was burnt, how it was burnt is not of importance than what we have lost. A huge multi-storey library under which innumerable manuscripts were kept, was burnt and used for cooking. This fire blackened our future. It was decided at this time that westerners would flaunt and shrug and tell us Indians that you guys are backward. At this time, it was decided that imported civilizations and ideologies will now be riding on Indian chests. At this time it was decided that institutions like Taxila, Nalanda, Odantpuri, Vikramashila, Sirpur would be called myths and the Father of Education would become someone else.
“This is similar to concept of Neti Neti (Sanskrit : नेति नेति) which means “not this, not that”, or “neither this, nor that”. With its aid the Seeker negates identification with all things of this world which is not the Atman, in this way he negates the Anatman (Not-Self). Through this gradual process he negates the mind and transcends all worldly experiences that are negated till nothing remains but the Self. He attains union with the Absolute by denying the body, name, form, intellect, senses and all limiting adjuncts and discovers what remains, the true “I” alone.”
What are your thoughts about why we have to negate and overcome so much garbage to reach our true selves? Why have we become estranged from our selves?
It is very sad about Nalanda. The Turks came to Iran as well, after the Mongols went away, and their leader Tamerlane did everything he could to one-up Genghis. Iranians thought they had seen the worst kind of savagery, but the Turks proved them wrong.
Some of those Turks, like Mahmud Ghaznavi, set up shop in Iran and used it as a base of operations to attack India, and they plundered and destroyed some magical temples and artifacts there, in the name of Islam, of course. Turks who spoke Persian and worshipped Islam. Some bastards, eh?
And years later, Mahmud’s son, Masud, conscripted all the fighting men of Iran to attack India again, and while they were away, the Seljuk Turks came with their flocks of sheep, and grazed all the Iranian fields of crops, while Iranian women and children cowered behind walled cities and starved. Some brave warriors, those Seljuks. And then they went to Turkey, and for centuries spoke Persian and worshipped Islam, under the name of Ottomans.
Even in the 1700s, the Turkish Muslim King of Iran who spoke Persian, Nader Afshar, attacked India again and plundered it. It is widely believed that Nader’s success in India is what demonstrated Indian vulnerability to the British. Without Nader Afshar, the British would have probably never attempted to take India, and the entire history of the modern age would have played out differently.
Zarathushtra believed that a “spirit of destruction”, Angra Mainyu, was the cause of all evil in the world. Angra Mainyu is an Avestan word, Ahriman is the Persian equivalent. Ahriman and his crew are spirits that either possess people outright and commit vile acts of destruction through them, or whisper in people’s ears, convincing them to do such.
Why worry about the past and the future here is my teachers recipe –
RECIPE FOR HAPPINESS
Two heaped cups of patience, One heartful of love, Two handfuls of generosity, One headful of understanding and a dash of humour, Sprinkle with kindness, add plenty of faith and mix well. Spread over a period of a lifetime and serve to everyone you meet.
Do hope you enjoy this song –
https://youtu.be/lpIlWHyAYb8
Translation –
Vaishnav jan to tene kahiye je
Peer paraayi jaaNe re
Par-dukhkhe upkaar kare toye
Man abhimaan na aaNe re
” He is a true Vaishnava who knows and feels another’s woes as his own,
Always ready to serve others who are unhappy,
he never lets vanity get to him.”
SakaL lok maan sahune vande
Nindaa na kare keni re
Vaach kaachh man nishchaL raakhe
Dhan-dhan janani teni re (Vaishnav…)
“Bowing humbly to everyone and criticizing none,
He keeps his speech, deeds and thought pure;
blessed is the mother who begets him.”
Sam-drishti ne trishna tyaagi
Par-stree jene maat re
Jivha thaki asatya na bole
Par-dhan nav jhaalee haath re (Vaishnav…)
“He looks upon all equally. Having rid himself of lust, he reveres every-woman
as his mother. His tongue would fail him if he attempted to utter an untruth. He does not covet other’s wealth.”
Moh-maaya vyaape nahi jene DriDh vairaagya jena man maan re
Ram naam shoon taaLi laagi
SakaL tirath tena tan maan re (Vaishnav…)
“The bonds of earthly attachment hold him not. His mind is deeply rooted in
renunciation. Every moment he is intent on reciting the name of the Lord
Rama. All the holy places are
ever present in his body.”
VaN-lobhi ne kapaT-rahit chhe Kaam-krodh nivaarya re
BhaNe Narsaiyyo tenun
darshan-karta KuL ekoter taarya re
“He has conquered greed,
deceit, passion and anger.
The sight of such a Vaishnava,
says Narsinh, saves a family .”
🙏🙏
So, you are a Vaishnava? Beautiful!
Vishnu is my favorite out of all the devas, followed by Soma.
What are your thoughts on Advaita Vedanta?
No matter how hard your dreams seem, keep going.
Panic! At The Disco – High Hopes (Official Video) …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPXIgEAGe4U
Cape Verde music in Lisbon …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWWRTTCxwsI
Panic! At The Disco – High Hopes (Behind The Scenes) …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOqJaaDikas
If you want a really good belly laugh you have to read this hilarious but true story how Swedes were chasing fish farts and accusing Russia for breaching territorial waters with submarines.
Sweden Spent 15 Years Accusing Russia of Breaching Its Waters. It Was Actually Herring Shoals
Spent 15 years *falsely* accusing Russia. No apology was ever issued
https://www.anti-empire.com/sweden-spent-15-years-accusing-russia-of-breaching-its-waters-actually-it-was-herring-shoals/
Fish Farts
Hunt for Red October starts
Herring bearing all the blame
Not the human lame brains
or those with death of smarts
panic pooping not allowed
as fish upset is disavowed
Russian subs are still to blame
never mind the weighty Dane!
Liked your article!
So actually Swedish herring farts are a leading cause of global warming???
Cheers, M
One might suppose, should the Swedes manage to catch a few rouge herring, using US waterboarding techniques, the herring will confess to being Russia trained operatives…………
Just an FYI (via Futurism)
“The government of the Solomon Islands, a nation of hundreds of individual islands in the South Pacific, is planning to temporarily ban the entirety of Facebook”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-23/solomon-islands-set-to-ban-facebook-for-sake-of-national-unity/12910786
Lets hope it starts a trend – enough of the tech giants’ censorship!
Here’s the poor old Russians being “advised”, yet again, to play the WHO’s fiddle https://xn--80aesfpebagmfblc0a.xn--p1ai/news/20201125-1636.html
WHO representative advised Russians to abandon large corporate events
The representative of the World Health Organization (WHO) in the Russian Federation Melita Vujnovich advised Russians to refuse to participate in mass corporate parties and other major events, as this is one of the measures to counter the spread of the new coronavirus infection.
She drew attention to the fact that a large number of people remain vulnerable to the disease, so the virus is still easily transmitted. “If 90% of people observe the mask regime and social distance, if we refuse large corporate parties and other events where a lot of people come close to each other, then it seems to me that we can consider that [in this case, we will go out] plateau “, – said Vujnovich on Wednesday in an interview with the TV channel” Russia-24 “.
According to her, WHO has always noted that the spread of coronavirus can be influenced at any stage of the pandemic, both through individual and broader measures. “The last resort is, of course, a general lockdown, a general quarantine, but there are many opportunities to influence the pandemic before [its introduction],” Vujnovic emphasized.
Source: https://tass.ru/obschestvo/10097103
Unrelated to my comment
“Unrelated to my comment”
But not to this:
/moveable-feast-cafe-2020-11-21/#comment-877933
“Trump okays the transfer of powers to the incoming Biden regime.”
Trump had very little Executive Powers to transfer. He was denied at least 75% of full Presidential Power.
He did not command the military.
He did not command the Intel Services.
He did not command the DOJ-FBI.
He faced entrenched judges and justices from 30 years of extreme Liberal appointments.
He had the first two years of both Houses of Congress sabotaged by Speaker Paul Ryan. Then he lost the House to the Dems for the last two years and had a divided Congress to try to get his programs through.
He was under unmerciful attack, sabotage, leaks, investigation, Media bias, and social unrest generated by a color revolution led by Antifa and BLM violence roil society.
If you total these impacts on his Presidency, you will see that 25% is generous.
Even thus limited Trump accomplished many of his promises and turned on the economy to lift poor and lower middle class to the best years of their lives. Blacks, Latinos, Asians prospered. Unemployment was crushed. Small and medium enterprises grew. 160,000,000 had jobs. They rewarded him with their increased votes, but the election fraud nullified this in spite of him gaining nearly 10 million more voters than 2016.
He was no saint. He made huge mistakes. But no President had more enemies and faced more Shadow Government resistance than Trump.
Then they stole the election (a landslide) from him.
Biden is Obama ver. 2. It was Obama and his people who arranged the deals with Warren and Bernie Sanders to drop out and clear a path to the nomination for Sleepy Joe. They were told the fix was in for the election. All the Dems, all except Tulsi, were in on the know. That was why they all were gracious losers, stepped aside quietly and all said Joe, on the bottom of the voters list, was their choice. The fix was in on the Dem ticket. The fix was in on the general election.
Welcome to Democracy. Welcome to the next civil war as Biden attempts to take guns, tax guns, and the Silicon Valley billionaires attempt to control thought and speech.
Covid has been the fog machine obscuring the launch of the Cultural Revolution to transform America and Americans.
What the Liberal Cult doesn’t understand is that the slaughter they think they will command is not possible without a reaction that will not drain the Swamp but flood the swamp with their blood and bodies.
Trump will be a national social force during Biden’s term. And MAGA showed a small percentage of the mass it can gather with 500,000 at their Washington march. I expect massive, multi-million marches to come.
Resistance and anger won’t be squelched by a stolen, illegitimate election. Trump had a landslide victory stolen from him. The governmental powers may be in Biden’s hands, but the People will never grant him authority. And as the true faces behind Biden are recognized as Obama’s, the walking dead-Biden’s presidency will be just as moribund.
They might as well have brought back Jimmy Carter.
“… but the People will never grant him authority …”
Has no practical meaning whatsoever. The American Sheeple remains Sheeple.
“The American Sheeple remains Sheeple.”
The general acceptance / acquiescence of all people in all nations to the plandemic(event 201)/great reset infers that they are the same as American’s.
Touche!
But unlike the American Sheeple……most of the other Sheeple see no hope of “We the people” ever getting the oligarch aristocrat boot off their necks.
Projecting the same onto ALL Americans, however…..does make them “feel” better about the other half of that reality they pretend (by omitting to discuss it) they are more advanced and courageous in …..than “those stupid Pindos”.
Here, azra, one of those Americans from your neck of the woods (Croatia, the Balkans) former Democrat Gov Rod Blagojevich puts it beautifully:
https://youtu.be/KqPpcHtZ5RA?t=1570
“But unlike the American Sheeple……most of the other Sheeple see no hope of “We the people” ever getting the oligarch aristocrat boot off their necks.”
Are you, perchance, referring to the half that did vote for the oligarch representative (DJT) leading, for a period, one of the plandemic’s biggest implementation operations (Warp Speed).
Here’s the handover to the next piece of scum https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/25/trump-biden-operation-warp-speed-coronavirus-briefing-440611
@ Bro 93
“… former Democrat Gov Rod Blagojevich puts it beautifully …”
You mean … Rod Blagojevich … who was found guilty of 11 charges of corruption and 6 charges related to pay-to-play dealings, and sentenced to 14 years in prison on 7 December 2011 ?… That one ?…
Wow…….
—
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich_corruption_charges
I apologize to you if I have offended you, dear Bro, this was not my intention.
After the destruction of my own country Yugoslavia, it took me a long while to understand what really happened.
Finally I did get it after 10 years of the research, and the main culprits were: Germany and USA. Of course, the usual local culprits were involved. The paid for bastards, present in Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia and BiH…
Few nights ago I wondered into the cafe.
I know that the Saker is the owner of this pub.Removed. No attacking other commenters. Mod.
I did not like the atmosphere, some there baying like hyenas against the strangers with different opinion.
You know, being somewhat world-aware, that there are many other cafes in this world.
All my best for you.
With love
a
“and the main culprits were: Germany and USA.”
https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/23/the-germans-are-back/
“Break out the Wagner, folks…the Germans are back! No, not the warm, fuzzy, pussified, peace-loving, post-war Germans … the Germans! You know the ones I mean. The “I didn’t know where the trains were going” Germans. The “I was just following orders” Germans. The other Germans.
Yeah…those Germans.
In case you missed it, on November 18, the German parliament passed a law, the so-called “Infection Protection Act” (“Das Infektionsschutzgesetz” in German) formally granting the government the authority to issue whatever edicts it wants under the guise of protecting the public health.
The government has been doing this anyway — ordering lockdowns, curfews, travel bans, banning demonstrations, raiding homes and businesses, ordering everyone to wear medical masks, harassing and arresting dissidents, etc. — but now it has been “legitimized” by the Bundestag, enshrined into law, and presumably stamped with one of those intricate official stamps that German bureaucrats like to stamp things with.
Now, this “Infection Protection Act,” which was rushed through the parliament, is not in any way comparable to the “Enabling Act of 1933,” which formally granted the government the authority to issue whatever edicts it wanted under the guise of remedying the distress of the people.
Yes, I realize that sounds quite similar, but, according to the government and the German media, there is absolutely no equivalence whatsoever, and anyone who suggests there is is “a far-right AfD extremist,” “a neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist,” or “an anti-vax esotericist,” or whatever.
As the Protection Act was being legitimized (i.e., the current one, not the one in 1933), tens of thousands of anti-totalitarian protesters gathered in the streets, many of them carrying copies of the Grundgesetz (i.e., the constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany), which the parliament had just abrogated. They were met by thousands of riot police, who declared the demonstration “illegal” (because many of the protesters were not wearing masks), beat up and arrested hundreds of them, and then hosed down the rest with water cannons.
Etc”
I’m pretty sure that CJ Hopkins’ article was designed to mostly be satire. Even within it there’s the occasional true reality sprinkled in, such as the mention of (real) anti-lockdown protests in Germany.
It’s even worse.
Those demonstrators were counter-attacked by Antifa, the ‘Sturmabteilung’ from George Soros. Antifa hilariously claimed that the demonstrators were ‘Nazi’s’…
It is correct that the comparison with the “Enabling Act of 1933” is frightingly correct. Those demonstrators are patriots, who have a good feeling what’s at stake. On the contrary to many other nations, Germany has a strong remembrance of the past.
Antifa is a joke. They are paid thugs, and ideologically concerning fascism they turned from 180 to 360 degrees. German media are on a tight leash of the government. There is even a government department to monitor them. Funny that the manager of it, as well as Merkel, are former prominent DDR ‘apparatschiks’.
Cheers, Rob
ALMOST all very much to the point for TDS sufferors….who may NEVER get what Trump intends…and intended decades ago and will continue to intend for another 4 years…………..even after his second term ends.
What misses the point completely is this:
“Trump will be a national social force during Biden’s term.”
There won’t be any Biden term.
Trump’s approval of the GSA head releasing money to Biden is NOT him “conceding”…not by a long shot. However it IS meant to lull the enemies of the republic into overconfidence…and take the death threats against GSA head Emily Murphy…”off the table”:
https://youtu.be/mSFOf020Ttw?t=1560 The letter from Murphy to Biden.
near the end, please note:
“As you know, the GSA Administrator (Me: herself…Ms Murphy) does not pick or certify the winner of a presidential election.”
yadayadayada
Later, same link as above, a few minutes later…. this tweet from Donald Trump:
“What does GSA being allowed to preliminarily work with the Dems have to do with continuing to pursue our various cases on what WILL go down as the most corrupt election in American political history?
My 4 caps of 4 letters in w-i-l-l
but even uncapped should not be underestimated!
his tweet Monday night continues:
“We are moving full speed ahead. will never concede to fake ballots and “Dominion”.
ME: …..and neither should anyone else.
American or Non-American.
For the simple fact for you self-loathing “pindos” and foreign haters wanting to throw ALL Americans out with the bath water….is that we are in the middle of THE best chance of defeating the Georgia Guidestones and Schwab and his NAZIS..and their Agenda 2030 RESET…………right here…right now
“For the simple fact for you self-loathing “pindos” and foreign haters wanting to throw ALL Americans out with the bath water….is that we are in the middle of THE best chance of defeating the Georgia Guidestones and Schwab and his NAZIS..and their Agenda 2030 RESET…………right here…right now”
YES!!!
Kent
Indeed Larchmonter.
I was just thinking “meet the new boss, same as the old boss” after reading this – which will never get an airing in the Empire of Dismal:
From Aftershock:
” Congratulations, comrades-psacking is back
18.3KWed, 25 Nov 13:16
Future Secretary of state [nominated by Biden] Blinken: “my late stepfather, Samuel, he was one of 900 children at his school in Bialystok, Poland, but the only one who survived the Holocaust after four years in concentration camps… He ran to the tank. The hatch opened. The African-American soldier looked down at him. The stepfather knelt down and said only 3 words that he knew in English… “God save America.” That’s who we are. This is what America represents to the world” ……….. {cough, choke}.
Blinken added that for families like his, ” America was literally the last, best hope on Earth.”
Everything is fine here – both Bialystok, which was liberated by the Soviet troops, and the night marches from there to Bavaria, and the “African-American” in a tank, and the Jewish boy who even then sagaciously knelt before the Negro.
However, as the writer points out, white American servicemen refused to serve alongside African-Americans, then called “Negros”. Negro’s had their own service units.
And Yes, in the American army during world war II, there was only one tank battalion in which Negroes served – the — 761st separate tank battalion. But it didn’t fight in Bavaria.”
There is a video clip of Blinken telling this lie, with a straight face and ringing sincerity in his voice. This is the man who is on record as saying that he believes American needs to return thousands of servicemen to Iraq and Syria, to make sure they ALL of Syria’s oil, and that US Needs to chum up to China and isolate Russia.
[Author’s comment:
I am willing to assume that this gentleman’s stepfather actually went to Bavaria. But after the war, when, by agreement between the allies, most of the remaining Polish Jews left Poland at the time of the creation of Israel, Stalin decided to allow Jews from Eastern European countries to leave them for resettlement in Israel, and most of the Jews left, but not all of them to Israel.]
How does that song go again? Oh yes “And the beat goes on, the beat goes on” !!
thank god for simple things, courage of the ones who stand together, and the strongest voice.
ee cummings :
i carry your heart with me
i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go, my dear;and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear
no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want
no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true)
and it’s you are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is you
here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows
higher than soul can hope or mind can hide)
and this is the wonder that’s keeping the stars apart
i carry your heart with me(i carry it in my heart)
You are right, of course. Thank God for for simple things – for they are the strength that holds the Universe together.
The beautiful poem by e.e. cummings says it all; of everything that matters; the only thing that matters.
Thank you.
and thank you !
yes, the only thing that matter’s, the heart of the matter; substance of the earth raised up into the light.
physical matter is not the beginning, the reality of the living spirit, this is where healing will be found.
the self is not the body, it is the clothing of the body, as jamshyd has clarified here already.
the human body, its beauty, mystery and extraordinary complexity is the highest form on the earth, and formed by the living spirit.
try to grasp the divine consciously, the evil likewise, then headway will be made through the world crisis.
Was it you who chose to quote the e.e. cummings poem? {with so many “anonymous” around, it’s hard to tell to whom one is speaking :-) }.
If so, can you tell me why you chose that particular poem to refer to your very abstract comments here?
Yes it was me Pamela, the same anonymous, sorry ; ( I will try to write the above in a more simple form, or in a poem, then whisper the words, or sing them, and then you will understand.
Simple things hold the Universe together, as you wrote, and if it is alright with you, I think that will be my first line …
Yes anonymouse, of course it’s “all right with me”. I’d feel honoured :-)
I forgot to add, I really do look forward to hearing or reading your song or poem.
I’d be so interested to see how you marry the personal one-on-one love aspects in the love poem with the vastness of the truth in the Universe and our place in it. Even perhaps, how they can both be the same thing.
As the hymn of the Delphic Oracle said of the single power which flows through all; “I am in all things, and all things are in me”.
Perhaps it mirrors the Mandelbrot diagram, where you see a shape, then looking at a small part of it, see the whole; then looking at it’s small part, see again the whole and so on ad infinitum
Even as a lover glorys’ in the joy of carrying the heart of his or her beloved in his heart, so we are all carried in a greater heart; but I must apologise, I’m not trying to pre-empt your words, truly.
i look forward to seeing them.
Here’s a wonderful musical rendition of ee. cummings’ poem, Pamela, you might enjoy. My favourite part is the extended ‘outro’ after the final line’s been sung, where the title is sung over and over along with David Crosby and Graham Nash, + bass and gtr.
Michael Hedges; “I Carry Your Heart”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwczm64eRk
To my regret Dimitar – the link only leads to a “video unavailable”. I was looking forward to listening to that, too – but thank you anyway.
There is a time to ‘spend the leaves’. He who does it permanently for the day’s or the week’s part
will have an easy November.
Today I had my first cup of bitter Chaga. Thank you Teranam 13.
This week the heart of the fire-things will pass brightness and energy of signs & language and of the archetypes of father and son.
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2020/11/sophia-and-anthropos-third-week-after.html
Who has the evidence?
The American Armed Forces. Will they arrest anyone?? NO.
They don’t have to.
And that’s not their job:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmvKxHMiv48
Three things to accept
4,607 views•Nov 25, 2020
Wictor, re the loyal armed forces: “You need to start understanding how things really work.”
and:
“We need you people to be Big Picture People……and stop listening to the enemy. The Big Picture is that this election theft cannot stand and there is nothing wrong with the American voter that you have to “fix”. They did fine. They gave Trump his landslide. And he knows how to take it from here. And you can see (Turkey pardoning ceremony) that he is happy and knows he will serve a second term.”
So stop worrying about which corrupt congressman YOU want arrested and imprisoned. Going after ALL that deserve to be gone after would tie up the justice department for decades. We can’t do that.
Reversing this Greatest Vote Fraud in American history will have dramatic consequences for the better….all over the world.”
ME: So y’all should be concentrating on what will make Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, The “Royal” Scum of Europe CRY…instead of Defeatism/Enemy Propaganda
Because America drawing back from the edge of Empire Suicidal Doom…..after they infected us with THAT virus………..is what will do it……so make them cry…instead of getting weepy yourself!
But IF you are still feeling defeated…..Wictor has a good, short one (antidote for The Loser Virus) for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iLYPCtvFY4
Ignore this if you’re not a defeatist
31,934 views•Nov 21, 2020
Interesting beginning of today’s cafe, followed by interesting thoughts. I’m not shining and well, rather weak and tired but still alive. Here is poem for you, my friends, brothers and sisters whom I respect, admire and love so much :
My Daily Bread
by ioan
I’m burning slowly, like candle in a church
And there’s no glory, nor fame of any kind
The hope remains as pale, as if it never was,
Though, always there with questions in my mind.
Indeed, my prayers, as murmur of a child
Lifted in air, so heavy, though so light,
Are being taken, listened to up somewhere
And maybe one day, somebody shall care.
The remedy of time, when end is at the corner ?
Looking at myself, I see a shadow of my former,
Digging in a fox hole, keeping helm on head
Fighting other shadows, sharing a common bed.
I’m burning slowly, like candle on a grave
Consuming time, myself, masquerading death,
Credulous as a kid, cheering with the brave,
Swallowing today, my promised, daily bread.
Welcome back my friend. Continue burning please.
Kent
“Homme Brulant” ( Burning Man ), Bruce Cockburn;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXcKnnF4xpQ
Translation from the French;
they’re waiting
for something,
maybe the wind,
or the opening
of a rose,
me, I’m flowing,
flowing…
the city,
open-mouthed
seems to be drinking
the milky way,
me, I’m a burning man,
burning man
and in the glow
you call me,
dressed in rainbows
and I’m burning
sparkling sea-green
I become a river
and you, you are
the ocean I’m seeking…
@ioan
Thank you for the feast…………….great to hear from you, odd, I was thinking of you and Tuppence all day yesterday, floating in the background of my thoughts, subliminal prayers……….I’ll take your poem today as an answer. Rest up, regain your strength…….your presence is missed.
Cheers, M
Glad to see you back ioan, even if taking “baby steps”. Strength will come, with time. Stay well, and keep writing poetry – it’s manna for the soul :-)
Ioan,thank you once more.
The muse has not deserted you
What was is and will be
What was not is and won’t be
What was not is not and won’t be
We,are the middle line
Is,true,this time
Into Forever
The doubter was not is not and won’t be ever
… Walk On By · Isaac Hayes …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5loAY27W5IY
Interesting interactions between officials and a highly paid advisor.
It’s different … rather crazy … and entertaining …
Метод Фрейда / Freud’s Method. Сериал. 1 Серия. StarMedia. Детектив …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hKBdRE_Zx4&list=PLHNmsL__Px_EO6qLsszmUJBpLbmaUi_La
Elise LeGrow “Drinking In The Day”
Why not??
Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCuXXpcPpFA&ab_channel=EliseLeGrow
Big Daddy Wilson – “Walk A Mile In My Shoes”
Enjoy
Kent
Forgot link.
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUm_VC3vBt4
Kent
Kirk Fletcher – “Silver Spoon”
Enjoy
Kent
Shit happens, Over and over.(even in big companies)
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3cmXIbiPww&ab_channel=Don%27sTunes
Kent
“Fuck All The Perfect People” (part 1).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt9GBafFzjE&ab_channel=TrainWreckRecords
Kent
Tom Waits – “Hold On”
Please do all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P5jV4lHHR0&ab_channel=ANTI-Records
Kent
Tom Waits – “God’s Away On Business”
Not so sure about that though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mhsW5aWJM&ab_channel=ANTI-Records
Might be a repost from 2 years back appr. Difficult to keep exact track of what posted where occasionally.
Anyway. Enjoy
Kent
Happy Thanksgiving memes from the conservative populists
https://www.infowars.com/posts/the-best-thanksgiving-canceled-memes/
Flynn pardoned by POTUS.
Look it up.
Dave gets things quickly.
I get X22 by $29.99 per year subscription.
Don’t have the free Bitchute version for y’all just yet.
Somebody else post it in a few hours.
Flynn Unmuzzled
And he knows where (almost) ALL the bodies are buried.
Guess the Kraken’s now free to be released.
That’s How Every Empire Falls
Caught a train from Alexandria
Just a broken man in flight
Running scared with his devils
Saying prayers all through the night
Oh but mercy can’t find him
Not in the shadows where he calls
Forsaking all his better angels
That’s how every empire falls
The bells ring out on Sunday morning
Like echoes from another time
All our innocence and yearning
and sense of wonder left behind
Oh gentle hearts remember
What was that story? Is it lost?
For when religion loses vision
That’s how every empire falls.
He toasts his wife and all his family
The providence he brought to bear
They raise their glasses in his honor
Although this union they don’t share
A man who lives among them
Was still a stranger to them all
For when the heart is never open
That’s how every empire falls
Padlock the door and board the windows
Put the people in the street
“It’s just my job,” he says “I’m sorry.”
And draws a check, goes home to eat
But at night he tells his woman
“I know I hide behind the laws.”
She says, “You’re only taking orders.”
That’s how every empire falls.
A bitter wind blows through the country
A hard rain falls on the sea
If terror comes without a warning
There must be something we don’t see
What fire begets this fire?
Like torches thrown into the straw
If no one asks, then no one answers
That’s how every empire falls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsu2oASd6x8
RIP John Prine
“It’s Time to Remember Who You Are, Why You Are Here and Why You Have Chosen to be on Earth at this Time of the Greatest Change EVER”
“Time of the sixth” sun is a movie and an 8-Part documentary series, where you will hear knowledge and insights from over 85 Indigenous Elders, Wisdom Keepers and Visionary Thought Leaders from 16 countries globally.
In the Movie you’ll discover that as we begin to awaken we start to look around at the chaos and think ‘there has to be another way’, asking ourselves the question “Who Am I?”
We look inside to find aspects of our own internal chaos which leads to change. But change will always bring up what we don’t necessarily want to look at as we discover our shadow side and so starts that journey within.
A process of purification as we let go of fears, conditioning, old paradigms, using ceremony and the ways of the indigenous.
Descending from the mind to the heart space we attend elders gatherings who teach us that the visioning and dreaming comes from that heart space. And this dreaming will create a Vision for a New Earth, where we learn how to tread more lightly on the land whilst reclaiming and celebrating our sovereignty, as we as a species collectively ascend to a higher level of consciousness.
The movie will show you how to improve your inner world and how that, in turn, leads to a more harmonious outer world as we ‘dream ourselves awake’.
You can register your email and receive the link to watch the movie and the series for free here. It is really beautiful and a different positive view on the chaotic times we are going through. Enjoy!
https://timeofthesixthsunlaunch.com/welcomeye3ew6js40029110?vgo_ee=T4rC5ht6IgoMXofjCjTvhD5cIMIjh7Oa53kE%2FfSCb%2BM%3D
Had a look at the website, more hours in the day and I would watch, the page comes across a bit like the Hollywood New Age of enlightenment, but who knows…
A testimonial from a viewer, who exactly, is not revealed :
“Awesome wisdom… Incredible movie we are watching here and every episode is magnificent. Beyond words… We can understand from the heart only. Not the mind.” 🙏
Should Bidens’ backers succeed in getting him into the White House, here is an idea of what he and his masters have planned.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507657-biden-blinken-regime-change/
Seems as if, like the spoilt bully child, America truly wont be satisfied until somebody somewhere, gives it a bloody nose. It not worse.
Amid the impressive 90+ % efficacy claims, it’s important to read these announcements very carefully. From the following article :
“….There is no evidence, yet, that the vaccine prevented any hospitalizations or any deaths. …..”
Once again they are talking about ” cases ” as defined by PCR tests. This article outlines the misleading nature of these efficacy claims :
https://www.globalresearch.ca/what-covid-vaccine-hype-fails-mention/5730504
Also :
“…Based on what we know, the covid vaccine may require two shots every three to six months to be protective. The more shots required, the greater the risk of side effects from sensitization to the vaccine….. concerned about possible autoimmune side effects that may not appear for months after vaccination….”
Caveat Emptor indeed.
Again much of what you say is just opinion. The reason it cannot be proved or disproved is because your premises are not based on reason. You are presenting your ideas outside the realm of human knowledge; epistemology.
The material world is real. It is not a projection out of our consciousness. To say that it is is not based on reason and goes against metaphysics which deals with the nature of the universe.
At a very young age I asked myself the question: why am I here? Then later I asked what is my purpose here? It has taken me nearly a lifetime and much study & contemplation to answer those two questions.
Have you ever asked yourself the question why the Bible and all other sacred writings of the world never talk about what it is like in the mystical realm? It is said by many that the mystical realm is beyond human reason and so it is but it also begs the question…why then waste our energy seeking after the mystical?
For me it boils down to this. We are an essence of something incarnated into a material body of animal nature equipped with a mind that can be organized like a biological computer by this essence that some call a self, others call a soul and still others call a spirit.
So what is implicit is what we should do with this body and mind and what is explicit is at the end of this life what we have done in the development of this mind using the body as a vehicle of motion.
To me consciousness is a field of energy that can be expanded. This I have verified personally. And through this force field we become aware of existence. And in awareness of our existence in our present four dimensional world we can be and do. And so I answer my first question of why I am here. And that is to be and do.
In being it begs the question: What do I do? Before I can do anything I need to learn all about the nature of this material world. And that is where philosophy comes in. To approach philosophy in a systematic way one needs to study the five branches which are metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, politics, and esthetics.
So with this behind we can then set out to do. And to do is to create. And look what man has created so far. Not perfect but on the way to perfection. Man’s consciousness has expanded into self consciousness and objective consciousness out of unconsciousness with still more levels of consciousness to discover. And look at all the others discoveries in physics that has made our lives more comfortable and made time available for the study of the universe. And it is through reason that our knowledge has increased.
So all this knowledge is impressed onto our essence or soul for it’s development. And on it’s return to it’s master it has increased it’s talents and the master is pleased.
So to answer my second question: what is my purpose in this material life? It is to learn all about the nature of life an earth and explore the secrets of the material world.
Now contemplate your investigations into the mysteries outside the material realm and the realm of reason and ask yourself what is the benefit your self or soul gets from it? What purpose is accomplished? What are you learning?
This is my 2 cents.
Thunderbird, if you are happy with the explanations that science has given you, then go your way in peace every day. And yes, the moment we open our mouths, we utter opinions. However, if you understand states of consciousness, you will know that words, language, philosophy, even many of the world’s religions, derive from the mental plane. The mental plane is the home of the universal mind power, and every soul is granted a mental body or sheathe, upon incarnation on that particular plane, and also below ( ie; the causal, astral, and physical worlds )… The mind is dropped upon entering the Soul Plane, the world of Soul, beyond which the pure positive God Worlds begin. These are worlds beyond the human experience, that only Soul can enter, not the mind, same as the physical, astral and causal bodies; they cannot go beyond the plane of their origin.
Now, the whole dilemma is how does one describe what is beyond the mental plane… well, here friend, the mind is useless, so no matter what is said, none can understand unless one has experienced it. No sacred teaching or writing can hope to touch on the spiritual experience. But it may point one in the direction, or inspire one to make one’s own efforts and investigations.
“Now contemplate your investigations into the mysteries outside the material realm and the realm of reason and ask yourself what is the benefit your self or soul gets from it? What purpose is accomplished?… ”
This is a statement of profound ignorance if nothing else, because it exhorts Soul to eschew personal experience in favour of what someone or other tells it. It’s like the story concerning a particular soul… someone told it it was a rock and it spent thousands of years behaving like it was indeed a rock, until a someone came along and told it out of compassion that it was not a rock, but that It was Soul!
Dimitar, thank you from your thoughtful response to my two previous comments. I totally agree with what you say in your first and second paragraph. And what does my self or soul get out of contemplating the mysteries? Well really not much knowledge of that plane but rather comfort from the bond established from the voiceless communication I have received from this bond. It has saved my life twice. Yes the spiritual dimension exists but one can only know it on the personal level. It cannot be proved on the material level. On this material plane I actually feel I am away from home and among sleeping entities wondering without direction. And I was one of them.
This is why I strive to learn and understand the nature of the material world. The material world is good. Evil comes out of the material man that fails to live by a code of ethics coming out of his own mental world. Evil comes from all the do gooders that think they can change the world to their way of thinking by force. By lacking conscience which remains stuck in the unconscience of so many people this world is really ungovernable.
Traditional religion has failed man because it does not teach him how to develop this mind given him to live on this plane. It doesn’t give him the bread to develop his individuality. So consequently he walks the earth disorganized with a mind in chaos. Look around and you see the failure of religion worldwide.
So while I believe in science I do not discredit the mystical. The two can really work together to wake people up providing people can learn to think and rationalize on this plane before running to the mystical. As you say we were given this mind of ours to function on this plane but so many are too lazy to develop it.
Your last paragraph is particularly interesting in that it reminds me of the human race. We are a diamond in the rough. Who is going to wake us up? No one. It will happen when each one of us is ready.
Have you heard of the fourth way? It is the teaching of G.I. Gurdjieff and P.D. Ouspenski. I practice the work of this teaching every day.
Thanks for your kind insights.
Thank you, Thunderbird, for your response and clarification. The human race is indeed Soul thinking it’s a rock, and, insofar as who is going to wake us up… the responsibility lies with us. Divine Spirit can only meet us half way, but sincere effort by the seeker is always rewarded. Whatever is revealed to us is revealed through the inner channels and we must decide if it’s truth or if it’s subterfuge. What we come to know within ourselves cannot be necessarily shared, but it can be demonstrated through our deeds and acts toward others. In Spirit, D.
Gurdjieff, Ouspensky? I’ve heard of them. It’s about what works for the individual, there’s something for everyone. PS. I can be brusque, it’s not personal. On a public forum, it makes for livelier consversation.
“The material world is real. It is not a projection out of our consciousness. To say that it is is not based on reason and goes against metaphysics which deals with the nature of the universe.”
“Now contemplate your investigations into the mysteries outside the material realm and the realm of reason and ask yourself what is the benefit your self or soul gets from it? What purpose is accomplished? What are you learning?”
I don’t understand. Have you followed the discussion from the very beginning?
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If you haven’t, then your questions are answered there, and the basic premises of my argument are presented there as well.
If you have read it all, and still offer these thoughts and questions, then I am at a loss.
Regarding the bible, the whole thing is a narrative of supernatural and otherworldly occurrences. How did you miss it all, mate?
And religion has not failed, not the way you imply. Christianity turned the Germans, by all accounts one of the crudest and most barbaric people in the world, into one of the world’s most civilized people. And Islam turned the Arabs, who were simply beyond foul, and the most backwards people on the planet, into the world’s greatest power. So, how did religion fail?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
No, what has happened is that the enemy has made improvements to his lies, and religion has not caught up.
We will rectify that situation shortly. The knowledge of religion (from Latin re-ligio, to relink [to the spirit]) must perforce be presented as a progression. Wait until my edifice is complete, and then decide whether to take it or leave it.
Cheers
“So, how did religion fail?”
By asserting, for the Abrahamic ones at least, that the Deity is omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent yet that evil still exists.
David Hume’s version of Epicurus:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then from whence comes evil?”
We live in a predatory universe, where life must eat life to survive. As such, good and evil are subjective.
The universe is infinite. And in an infinite universe, there is infinite variety, including what one human being might subjectively define as evil, or good.
God is not moved or fazed by our infantile definitions. It is we who must rid the world of what we consider evil.
We keep cows as slave-prisoners and we eat them to live. Surely, this is evil for the cow, but it is good for us. Should God intervene on behalf of the cow and punish us for doing what is good for us? That is a question for the Pope. I, however, can guarantee that God will make no effort to save the cows, because we live in a predatory universe which was created as such by God.
Forget everything you know about the Abrahamic religions. They were all falsified ages ago. Abu Bakr didn’t even wait until Mohamad’s body was cold before he started the process of editing and falsification. And now the Pope has sanctified sodomy, like all his predecessors who corrupted the teachings piece by piece. And many Jews are quite openly Satanist now.
“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I will meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about.” Rumi
We ourselves, like the cows we keep, are livestock for invisible entities, which our ancestors called the gods. They farm us for our energy. I would worry about that, and not about anything said by Abraham or Hume.
“The universe is infinite.”
How do you know?
This is what Edward Witten says on the subject https://www.quantamagazine.org/edward-witten-ponders-the-nature-of-reality-20171128/
“He (John Wheeler) drew a picture on the blackboard of the universe visualized as an eye looking at itself. I had no idea what he was talking about. It’s obvious to me in hindsight that he was explaining what it meant to talk about quantum mechanics when the observer is part of the quantum system. I imagine there is something we don’t understand about that.”
When Witten was asked:
“Do you have any ideas about the meaning of existence?”
He replied:
“No. [Laughs.]”
We keep cows as slave-prisoners and we eat them to live. Surely, this is evil for the cow, but it is good for us.
Not if one is vegan.
But then again some plants have relatively complex “central nervous systems”.
“We ourselves, like the cows we keep, are livestock for invisible entities”
True but they are not that hard to identify https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Operation-Warp-Speed/Operation-Warp-Speed-Timeline/
So, if everything has been falsified how do you know what was originally true (other than from your own imagination)?
“We keep cows as slave-prisoners and we eat them to live. Surely, this is evil for the cow, but it is good for us.
Not if one is vegan.
But then again some plants have relatively complex “central nervous systems””
It appears that you are arguing just to be contrary, mate.
“So, if everything has been falsified how do you know what was originally true (other than from your own imagination)?”
Did I profess to know “what was originally true” (sic)?
Do you dispute that the tradition of Jesus and Mohamad has been falsified? Weren’t you just arguing that the whole Abrahamic tradition is false? So, what are you trying to say now?
I say the universe is infinite because I have seen the luminous lines of energy of the universe. There are an infinite number of those lines, and each one of them stretches to infinity.
I must say, it has been very boring reading and replying to your comment. Do you actually have a point?
“Did I profess to know “what was originally true” (sic)?”
You did, mate:
“God is not moved or fazed by our infantile definitions. It is we who must rid the world of what we consider evil.”
Re:
“Do you dispute that the tradition of Jesus and Mohamad has been falsified?”
There is no particular evidence that Jesus ever existed. If he didn’t then the tradition you refer to is preposterous.
Re:
“There are an infinite number of those lines, and each one of them stretches to infinity.”
We are led to believe it would take light an infinite period to travel from infinity for you to confirm this. How old are you?
“Do you actually have a point?”
When drawing my lines they have one of those at either end.
I agree though, it is a tedious conversation.
“You did, mate:
“God is not moved or fazed by our infantile definitions. It is we who must rid the world of what we consider evil””
The text you have quoted is my opinion. What does it have to do with the original writing in the bible?
”
“Do you dispute that the tradition of Jesus and Mohamad has been falsified?”
There is no particular evidence that Jesus ever existed. If he didn’t then the tradition you refer to is preposterous.””
Why? It is widely believed that Homer was many writers, and not one man. Does that make the Homeric tradition preposterous?
You are a striking case of someone who is missing the moon because you are caught up in the finger.
”
“We are led to believe it would take light an infinite period to travel from infinity for you to confirm this. How old are you?””
Where did I say light? I am talking about the luminous fibers that everything is made of; the energetic counterpart of the ‘atom’.
So, you don’t have a point? You’re just trolling. Better luck next time, mate.
Re:
“The text you have quoted is my opinion. What does it have to do with the original writing in the bible?”
and:
“Regarding the bible, the whole thing is a narrative of supernatural and otherworldly occurrences. How did you miss it all, mate?”
When another person reads the same bible script as you but interprets that as white to your black, who is correct.
“Does that make the Homeric tradition preposterous?”
If he didn’t exist, yes 100% preposterous. As ridiculous as belief in the tooth fairy – a good control tool though if not used entirely for entertainment.
“Where did I say light?”
Here:
“because I have seen the luminous lines of energy of the universe”
Re:
” the energetic counterpart of the ‘atom””
Very interesting, mate. Can you quote a Journal reference?
The scientific establishment abides by the paradigm of the primacy of matter, and is composed almost exclusively of materialists.
Matter is something we perceive with our physical senses, which means it has an outward appearance, which is how it appears to our senses, and an unseen and abstract essence, which is what that thing actually is.
The essence of everything looks like luminous lines, which are infinite and eternal, indestructible, constantly changing and transforming, and yet staying the same.
I have given here all that is necessary, so that anyone can verify this truth for themselves. The only thing one really needs is to be made aware of the existence of the spirit. From there, it is very easy to reach silent knowledge, which is the knowledge of the spirit or essence of things.
Cheers, mate. And much love.
Jamshyd I respect your intrigue with the spiritual world but may I ask: In the balance of spiritual vs material what about your investigation of the mysteries of the material world? Your belief that the material would is projected out of your consciousness tells me you haven’t given the study much interest. And may I ask why?
Did God not create the world we live in rather than you? Did God not send us into this world in an incarnated body for us to learn about it and care for it? Why is it hard for you to realize that this world is real? And that we realize the objects of this world first by sensation to perception to reasoning to abstraction to concepts. Then we store these concepts in our soul by the use of words. Think of a tree and what do you see in your mind? Do you get the point?
We live in one of the many mansions of the father. Don’t think that because I study the wonders of the material world I am not interested in keeping my footing in the spiritual as well. I strive to keep my feet on the Ladder of Divine Graces as one commenter here expressed about it. I am waiting for volume 5 of the Philokalia to be published. I also read the works of my favorite desert father; Evagrius Ponticus… The Praktikos & Chapers On Prayer. So I am not neglecting my spiritual heritage.
I have found my purpose in this life and it is to learn and know as much as I can about this earth and the nature of man in my short lifetime here.
So don’t think this world is not real. It is. Just like God is. I have been to many places on this planet and find it the be a fascinating place. I have been in all the oceans and many seas and viewed the stars in many remote locations and find this earth to be a beautiful creation.
You say the enemy has made improvements to his lies and religion has not caught up. I do not follow that line of reasoning. What is really happening is that most men have not yet developed this magnificent brain we were given by our creator for use in this world because they remain to lazy to think and reason. They still live in a fog of half sleep. Waking sleep. My path on the 4th way shows me this.
When men are ready the new religion will arrive with it’s messengers. Christianity has served it’s purpose. A new Epoch has arrived and with it new revelation will accompany it.
The material world was not created by God. The universe at large was created by God. The material world is an interpretation we make. It is a prison we have been placed in by the enemy.
I still haven’t begun the discussion about the enemy. I’ve just been dancing around it, so to speak.
You say the material world is real, and that is true. It is real for the one who perceives it, but that is only a subjective experience. The material world has no objective reality. And the subjective experience is transient and ephemeral; momentary, in the grand scheme of things.
You and I are both going to die, mate. This is perhaps the most important piece of knowledge that anyone can utter. We are all going to die. And oblivion is true death.
I do not suggest anyone become a hermit. We must all live in the material world, because of an agreement that our ancestors made with the enemy, millions of years ago. Do I seem like I am lacking in experience of the material world? I love every tree and every squirrel, every mountain and desert, every beach and grain of sand in this world. And I have travelled far and wide. You misunderstand the point.
What I do suggest is that we understand that it is possible for organic memory to carry over from electrochemical impulses into conscious energy, which means it is possible for our energy body to preserve memories after the organic part perishes.
The implication here is that we can continue to exist, as conscious energy, and hold on to all of our memories and life experiences after we die.
There are infinite worlds out there, waiting for us to discover them. To be bogged down in a prison world, and lose our one shot at infinity is the most horrendous thing I can imagine, which is sadly the condition of mankind today.
The reason I have come out to disseminate these ideas is because the enemy is moving to finish us off, and very quickly.
Mankind’s situation is now very urgent. Time is precious. We can choose to work towards our liberation and salvation, or we can continue to do whatever we have been doing so far, like debating nonsensical political issues while blindly walking to our deaths.
There are no mysteries of the spiritual world vs mysteries of the material world. All is one. What we perceive as the material world is a small and arbitrary portion of the total energy of the universe, which I assume is what you mean by ‘spiritual world’.
Who will trade eternity for this temporary existence?
“The scientific establishment abides by the paradigm of the primacy of matter, and is composed almost exclusively of materialists.”
That is not true.
A little of what you write reminds me a little of Wheeler himself, one of the greatest Physicists to have ever lived
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/do-our-questions-create-the-world/
“Wheeler has condensed these ideas into a phrase that resembles a Zen koan: “the it from bit.” In one of his free-form essays, Wheeler unpacked the phrase as follows: “…every it–every particle, every field of force, even the spacetime continuum itself–derives its function, its meaning, its very existence entirely–even if in some contexts indirectly–from the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, binary choices, bits
…[]….
Wheeler emphasized that science has many mysteries left to explain. “We live still in the childhood of mankind,” he said. “All these horizons are beginning to light up in our day: molecular biology, DNA, cosmology. We’re just children looking for answers.” He served up another aphorism: “As the island of our knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance.””
“”The scientific establishment abides by the paradigm of the primacy of matter, and is composed almost exclusively of materialists.”
That is not true.”
Actually, mate, it is absolutely true. The only kind of science that our universities know of is materialist science.
You believe the human race is free, that we have real sciences and culture and democracy, and that we are acting in our own best interest. This is not true.
From the moment we are born, our indoctrination begins. We are told what to think, what to believe, and how to behave, by everyone around us, all the time. And then we go to school where we receive our formal ‘education’, which is actually brainwashing.
Then we spend 8 hours a day for the rest of our lives, working, for the ‘priviledges’ that money brings, which are just things to make us feel ok about our slavery.
We are like the unfortunate wild animals that are born in captivity. We have forgotten our potential. Captive animals are made to do tricks in exchange for food. We sit at a desk and stare at a screen all day, for a house and car and a few days of holiday leave every year. They actually let us go on holiday! Because that is how sure they are that we will not “escape”.
Our whole lives, they squeeze every last drop of our energy, until we are useless, and then they toss us into some retirement home to die alone. Some great retirement! And that’s if we’re lucky enough not to have a stroke from work stress.
We are magical beings, with enormous potential. Every moment of life is a mystery and a miracle beyond the telling of it. And yet our feeling towards life is mundane boredom. And we waste our lives chasing after nonsense.
We are not free. We are a slave race, being kept like cattle, by entities that are just conscious energy, and don’t have physical bodies. These entities came to our ancestors ages ago, and they offered a deal. Their mind and mental faculties, in exchange for our energy. They gave us the ability to think and reason.
But our ancestors were swindled, because the software they gave us was riddled with malware and backdoors, through which they manipulated our race into a prison of perception, a mental prison, where we are like vending machines to them. They press a button, and get the kind of energy they want.
Some of them feed off fear, others anger or hate or even love, or any kind of emotional energy. They have created sports stadiums, theatres and cinemas, concerts, music festivals, etc. where the masses flock to be harvested. This is why the early Christians avoided the circus and theatre and arena.
Our entire society is built so that we can be constantly harvested. The Zionists have the Palestinians in a big cage, where they are kept in a constant and perpetual state of terror, to feed the enemy. All of global Zionism’s terrorist attacks around the world are also feeding grounds for these entities.
Sometimes they possess people. The prisons are full of people who swear they have no memory of the crime. Sometimes they whisper in people’s ears. There are many different kinds of them, and they have been fighting over harvesting rights for the entire duration of our history, which have been the wars over religious and political disputes that our history books are littered with.
People can establish personal relationships with them, and have been doing so for ages. Even today many children and adults have such relationships. Some of those entities can be beneficial, and for example philosophers and scientists have been known to acquire great knowledge from them. But some are very evil.
When the Spaniards landed in Central America, there were many sorcerer-kings there who ruled over slave populations that lived for the most part in shanty huts, gathered around large pyramids. The pyramid tops were where the altar was located, where the sorcerers would feed human sacrifices to some demonic entity, in exchange for power.
Many of these entities, good and bad, were carved into idols. The idols were power objects, they were magical, that is why the Christians and the Muslims eradicated them so thoroughly and meticulously, and with such zeal.
The idols could talk and answer questions. They were images imbued with conscious energy; countless entities from other worlds. People would go to the idols for guidance and council regularly, and obviously they were getting results, because for one they kept at it for centuries, and also if we look at the Romans, we will see that they were getting very tangible results. As were all the idol worshipping people of the classical and archaic worlds.
It was the guidance, and manipulation, of those idols that elevated mankind from a neolithic hunter gatherer to a bronze age urban dweller.
Today they manipulate us through social media and other media, ie. the ziomedia, which spreads the lies of the enemy, while also eliciting emotional reactions so that people can be harvested.
They keep us in a very wretched state. They have completely robbed mankind of all magic. I think what they have planned for us next is enough to make anyone shudder.
“The only kind of science that our universities know of is materialist science.”
Out of these came such as Wheeler and more recently Witten – as you can see they acknowledge that materialist science is only just scratching at what reality might be.
My opinion though is that a lot of what you say could well be true. However, that does not mean that it is. I also imagine that some of what you describe is simply fantasy.
I do also absolutely shudder at what is planned and currently unfolding. Whether there is further evil behind the evil of its human implementation – I just don’t know.
“Out of these came such as Wheeler and more recently Witten – as you can see they acknowledge that materialist science is only just scratching at what reality might be.”
Listen, mate. The knowledge of the spirit is not rocket science. It is a simple fact that even a child can understand. The scientific establishment is too busy catering to capitalist designs of domination, building viruses or whatever. They haven’t the slightest clue about the true nature of their own being, and they deny the spirit outright.
“My opinion though is that a lot of what you say could well be true. However, that does not mean that it is. I also imagine that some of what you describe is simply fantasy.”
As someone who believes in the scientific establishment, I did not expect any more from you, mate. Of course, it is fantasy for you, but perhaps there are a few people out there with a slightly keener understanding, and they may find it all helpful.
Cheers, and good luck with Wheener. ;-)
“As someone who believes in the scientific establishment”
The scientific establishment includes people like the two I referred to – they have minds that question everything in what you term the “scientific establishment”. They know that they have theories – not answers.
You seem to, magically, have all the answers.
PS: It’s “John Wheeler”.
Yes, everyone in the scientific establishment has only theories, but no answers. And we are led to believe that this is normal, as far as questions regarding the mystery of our being are concerned.
The scientific establishment has more than theories, when it comes to designing and producing oxycodone, glyphosate-Roundup, agent orange, and nightmarish weapons of mass death.
They know how to cause cancer, but they claim to have nothing more than theories on how to cure it. They know how to kill people, but to solve the problems of mankind? They have non-working theories.
Wake up, mate.
Perhaps you have not read sacred texts of other religions. Buddhist scriptures are very clear and detailed on the experiences in different levels of meditation. When we look to the inside the mind knows itself through its own inner light which is a direct knowing and seeing of it’s own nature. When we look to the outside we rely on the light of the sun or lightbulb and we can only know about something, not directly know that thing.
I think more accurate to say that consciousness works through the field of energy rather than it is a field of energy. If we have a wide heart with compassion for all we have a wide field of consciousness. If the heart is full of greed and anger the field of consciousness becomes very narrow.
We can know intellectually about all sorts of things but imho spiritual knowledge is knowledge of our own heart. This is both subjective knowledge and objective knowledge as the way with signposts and markers is clearly
detailed in sacred texts which perhaps you have not read read.
Best wishes
An example of many of the mystical experience detailed by one of the early Christian desert father’s
THEOPHANIS THE MONK – The Ladder of Divine Graces
THE LADDER OF DIVINE GRACES
[WHICH EXPERIENCE HAS MADE KNOWN TO THOSE INSPIRED BY GOD]
The first step is that of purest prayer. From this there comes a warmth of heart, And then a strange, a holy energy, Then tears wrung from the heart, God-given. Then peace from thoughts of every kind.
From this arises purging of the intellect, And next the vision of heavenly mysteries. Unheard-of light is born from this ineffably, And thence, beyond all telling, the heart’s illumination.
Last comes – a step that has no limit Though compassed in a single line – Perfection that is endless. The ladder’s lowest step Prescribes pure prayer alone. But prayer has many forms: My discourse would be long Were I now to speak of them: And, friend, know that always Experience teaches one, not words.
A ladder rising wondrously to heaven’s vault: Ten steps that strangely vivify the soul. Ten steps that herald the soul’s life. A saint inspired by God has said: Do not deceive yourself with idle hopes That in the world to come you will find life If you have not tried to find it in this present world. Ten steps: a wisdom born of God. Ten steps: fruit of all the books. Ten steps that point towards perfection. Ten steps that lead one up to heaven. Ten steps through which a man knows God.
The ladder may seem short indeed, But if your heart can inwardly experience it You will find a wealth the world cannot contain, A god-like fountain flowing with unheard-of life. This ten-graced ladder is the best of masters, Clearly teaching each to know its stages.
If when you behold it You think you stand securely on it, Ask yourself on which step you stand, So that we, the indolent, may also profit.
My friend, if you want to learn about all this, Detach yourself from everything, From what is senseless, from what seems intelligent. Without detachment nothing can be learnt. Experience alone can teach these things, not talk.
Even if these words once said By one of God’s elect strike harshly, I repeat them to remind you: He who has no foothold on this ladder, Who does not ponder always on these things, When he comes to die will know Terrible fear, terrible dread, Will be full of boundless panic. My lines end on a note of terror.
Yet it is good that this is so: Those who are hard of heart – myself the first – Are led to repentance, led to a holy life, Less by the lure of blessings promised Than by fearful warnings that inspire dread. “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
You who have written this, hear, then, and take note: Void of all these graces, How have you dared to write such things? How do you not shudder to expound them? Have you not heard what Uzzah suffered When he tried to stop God’s ark from falling? (II Samuel 6:6-7) Do not think that I speak as one who teaches: I speak as one whose words condemn himself, Knowing the rewards awaiting those who strive, Knowing my utter fruitlessness. END
From G. E. H. Palmer, Philip Sherrard, and Bishop Kallistos Ware, “The Philokalia – Vol. III,” (London: Faber and Faber, 1984), pp. 67 – 69
at 1:00 AM
Best wishes
mmmm- this was a wonderful read that took me to the kind of places I like to be.
Gracias!!
k
Dear Thunderbird,
Our making of free decisions is an illusion. In reality we are designed in two ways –
1. Our hardware is designed by nature through millions of years of evolution which is providing unique environmental conditions and forcing us to adapt to them.
2. Secondly our software or programming of our brain is designed by nature or universe by providing us unique life experiences, education etc.
Therefore, we are made to think or act or react in a particular fashion. Hence we are just following our design or cause & effect.
Due to consciousness, a delusion of free will is created, however, each of our thought is a result of our design and programming, or simply cause & effect. There are no free or uncaused thoughts and hence no free will.
Going further cause & effect leads to determinism, and it’s true that there is one fixed past and one fixed future and the beliefs of two or infinite possibilities of future is an illusion. All is fixed and predictable but no one among us is capable or have abilities or technologies to know all the data & laws of universe and the infinite computing power to calculate or predict all.
An unknown kind of Incomprehensible Omnipresent, Omniscient Intelligence is in action and has created this illusion of reality and a play of nature and life.
God Bless You 🙏
“Due to consciousness, a delusion of free will is created, however, each of our thought is a result of our design and programming, or simply cause and effect.”
Soul does indeed have free will. Being the manifested individual beingness of the Holy Spirit, It also has opinions, intelligence, imagination and immortality. All of this makes for an impressive arsenal at Soul’s disposal.
Remember how the charlatans at the EU stood up on their hind legs bloviating about the lack of democracy in Bolivia after Morales won ( a completely fair ) election ? Now these same paragons of virtue / tireless champions of ” fundamental rights ” have removed any mention of Julian Assange from their latest worthless parody of a report.
“….Any mention of the prosecution of Julian Assange has been removed from the EU’s latest report on fundamental rights, despite the best efforts of MEPs such as Ireland’s Clare Daly.
The European Parliament passed the final version of the fundamental rights report for 2018 – 2019 on 25 November, excluding any mention of imprisoned publisher and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. An amendment to include reference to Mr Assange lost with 408 votes against its inclusion, 191 votes in favour and 93 abstentions……”.
https://sputniknews.com/news/202011251081268992-eu-parliament-votes-against-referring-to-julian-assange-in-final-draft-of-fundamental-rights-report/
Assange is now confined to his cell 24 hours a day due to a covid outbreak, He has poor health and is specifically prone to respiratory infections.
Dave Hayes, “All I want for Christmas is for General Flynn to be named acting Director of the CIA so he can brief the Biden transition team.”
Now that would make it a Kraken good Christmas. I somehow think that things aren’t going all to plan in the Biden camp. Panic in DC maybe.
While surfing the internet, I came across this recent Corbett Report video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuDQ_3g53qc
What caught my eye was the live footage of James Corbett walking on the streets of a city in what appears to be Japan. Does Corbett live there?
(One commentator on Moon of Alabama says that Japan did not impose any lockdowns. If true, then it’s probably not coincidental.)
On a previous MFC, commentator ‘Bro 93’ mentioned a YouTuber named Ryan Dawson who lives in Japan.
I’ve always wondered about them doing their work in Japan. Either it’s coincidental, or Japan has something that offers a conducive work environment for them that is absent in the West (especially the US and Europe). For instance, I have yet to hear of any ‘hate speech’ laws in Japan to the degree that they exist in the West.
Yes, James does live in Japan. He went there from Canada after gaining his teaching degree ,for the experience of teaching English to non-English students. However, he has a Japanese wife [and now child] and, as is so often the case the – has never left.
I understand he finds it pleasurable. Yes, it has it’s issues as where does not, but it lacks so much that is miserable to have to live under in a collapsing Empire, where insanity, control freaks and psychopaths rule, whatever the decent people try to do as best they can in the shadows.
There are many who have moved to and live in Russia for example, for much the same reason. There are issues to adapt to, yes; there are even some rules that maybe seem to make no sense. But overall, all in all, so many are finding them better places to be.
The transcript of that is here https://www.corbettreport.com/lockdowns/
It includes:
“If you are advocating for lockdowns, you are complicit in tearing families apart. You are complicit in inflicting untold suffering on millions of people around the world. You are complicit in casting the poorest and most vulnerable in our societies into even further grinding poverty. You are complicit in murder.”
From what I can grok Dawson’s situation is similar to Corbett’s: married a Japanese, had kids, went to Japan, never left. Why should he? In the States, Dawson is harassed even opening a bank account. Paypal, Patreon, YT, all have banned him one time or another. He has to do loop-de-loops to get any income from his shows.
Dawson repeatedly states that in Japan, when covid hit, some wore masks, some didn’t, but people in Asia often wear masks in flu season anyway, not to mention in polluted cities. Also, hand sanitizer has long been routine. And there are class systems and social rules that people follow, so’s not to appear a jackass in public.
But there never was a government decree that closed businesses. Restaurants stayed open (while we were “locked down”), shops and bars stayed open. Dawson filmed a lot of it, walking through the streets. It was surreal to see how “free” they were while we were under “curfew”.
It’s strange because Japan is a mega-US base host, part of “the Quad” (?) and so on, but in many areas of public life, they still appear to do their own thing. I applaud those who managed to get out of this country, and wish them happiness and success as expats.
[Would love to know more about “hate speech” laws in Japan, South Korea, Phillipines, etc.]
rkey Day in the USA.
Something to be thankful for:
“The directive, which the Pentagon’s White House liaison Joshua Whitehouse sent on Wednesday afternoon, removes 11 high-profile advisors from the Defense Policy Board, including former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger and
Madeleine Albright;
retired Adm. Gary Roughead, who served as chief of naval operations;
and a onetime ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Jane Harman.
Rudy De Leon, a former chief operating officer at the Pentagon once considered by then-Defense Secretary James Mattis for a high-level policy role, will also be ousted.
Also booted in today’s sweep of the board, which is effective immediately, were
former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and
David McCormick, a former Treasury Department undersecretary during the George W. Bush administration. Both had been added to the board by Mattis in 2017.
Jamie Gorelick, a Clinton administration deputy attorney general; Robert Joseph, a chief U.S. nuclear negotiator who convinced Libya to give up weapons of mass destruction;
former Bush Deputy National Security Advisor J.D. Crouch II;
and Franklin Miller, a former top defense official, have also been removed.”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/25/pentagon-purges-leading-advisors-from-defense-policy-board/
A little bit of Georgia On My Mind………
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1TKOKf-S7Q
AND it IS sweet, sweet video evidence…..in Georgia……that BCP reads from Sidney Powell’s more than 100 page long legal brief filed in Georgia yesterday……….of the infamous “pipe leak” excuse used to clear out observers….pretend to shut things down…..in one polling place……………while in reality the computer experts went to work till 1 am:
https://youtu.be/nlGF29WaKIg?t=2724 PAGE 11………..Hmmmm!
Busted!
Would be interested to know by who and exactly how that video footage evidence was collected….and when it makes it’s Historic Appearance…..in Court in Georgia.
Georgia, Georgia,
The whole day through….
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Georgia on my mind.
I said Georgia, Georgia
A song of you
Comes as sweet and clear
As moonlight through the pines…………
Tore is back after disappearing to DC on some mission for a week +.
And is “on fire” with kick-ass confidence…..
https://youtu.be/-vmwpGeQczQ
..saying of this face of John Brennan…….right here:
https://youtu.be/-vmwpGeQczQ?t=6141
….”…but look at his face: That’s the face of someone knowing what’s coming.”
Brennan Looks Like EVIL Knowing Defeat Is Coming….and feeling that the walls are closing in…(which they are!) ……….but he must talk shite……… the vacuous neuro-linguistic programming and bald-faced lies of Obama and his Empire Masters………to the bitter end….. A Sad, Sick ….and very, very worried Slave to Evil..
Interesting that Tore wishes that John could have a change of heart……”because you always hope redemption is possible for people you worked with”………….and a few minutes later observes that Giulani IS redeeming certain errors of HIS past.
But J.B.’s face tells Tore ….and me: Fagettaboutit!
He’s toast.
“The Brennan”.
https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Brennan_Faces_of_Evil_01_resize.jpg
https://telemarksporten.no/Tegneserier/Brennan_Faces_of_Evil_resize.jpg
If, Anyone has any doubts about the deep rooted evil in this man after looking at these depictions, I would consider them to be lost cases.
Kent
“The Donald Trump speech that was never aired” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH1vmQ0xdWw
Particularly funny are the “evil” logos of the WHO / CDC and image of Bill at the start of that in light of the snake oil salesman’s speech here https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-update-operation-warp-speed/, which includes:
“In July, my administration reached an agreement with Pfizer to provide $1.95 billion to support the mass manufacturing and distribution of 100 million doses, with the option to purchase a total of 600 million doses shortly thereafter.
…[]…
The vaccine will be distributed to frontline workers, the elderly, and high-risk Americans immediately. It will be very — a matter of weeks. Get out very, very much ahead of schedule. Any schedule that I said, we’re going to be far ahead of that.
We know that this virus primarily targets older populations and those with underlying health conditions. Well, over 99.98 percent of those under the age of 50 make a full and quick recovery. By giving the vaccine to high-risk individuals right away, we will dramatically reduce hospitalizations and deaths.”
All that from the anti BigPharma / anti lockdown king.
American sheeple.
There’s a very simple way to find out if any of the vaccines are “good” or are “evil”. Give the vaccine shots to the “tribe” first. If they refuse it then it’s evil.
“Give the vaccine shots to the “tribe” first. If they refuse it then it’s evil.”
Don’t think for a minute that the average Israeli won’t be required to take it the same as the rest of us.
Bibi is buying millions of doses of both US and Russian versions /moveable-feast-cafe-2020-11-21/#comment-876985
The average Jew (Israely/otherwise) is just as expendable as the average Joe Bloggse (even though the “Holocaust” figures may have been vastly exaggerated).
there seems to be a lack of clarity or knowledge, experience even, of the difference between what one understands as spirit, the existence of spiritual life, and the human capacity for conscious knowing i.e. discriminatory ability, and that of critical thinking activity.
this means that knowing is left out in the cold, as is pure thinking, is there a way to connect human experiences ?
Quoted from a post above from Theophnis Monk
“Experience alone can teach these things, not talk”.
Experiential knowing, knowing through experience is what awakens the self. Thinking is reflective, it reflects on experience and comes to know what the heart self has felt.
k
You’ve raised a barrel-load of questions there, anon…
“Is there a way to connect human experiences?”
Try contemplating on ‘Soul exists because God loves It”. It is the universal overlaw, or principle behind all of life. Man has a way of confusing self-knowledge with the knowledge of his conscious ego-personality, but the ego can know only its own contents. However, Soul is what we are, not ego or personality, and so it’s our capacity to love that is all important in life. Think of it this way… if God loves all of life unreservedly, and the purpose of life is to become more God-like, then we too must learn to love as God loves, so to speak.
learning to love
in order to help God
do His work
God is Love, and Love is God, these many inspiring thoughts and words, a bridge to the other, but to peace…?
Do we truly love the conscious ability to discriminate, the self awareness to fully discern what has merit, what is false ? Do we deeply love our freedom to think independently, clearly, supposing it hurts ?
I am talking about the experience of this freedom of thinking activity, to stay centered in only this, and not close the heart. It is the rift of the age, the schism of our potential defeat.
” strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which. leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” Matthew 7, 7-14
azra is absolutely correct in her prediction as to what direction the political leadership of most industrial countries will inevitably succumb to in regard to the upcoming “tidal wave”. As I mentioned previously, it is nothing more than wishful thinking that even someone like Putin will be able to resist the “4th Industrial Revolution”. It is just not rooted in reality to think otherwise, for it is not logistically possible to be left out. In order to entertain the reason why, I believe we have to wait a little longer till this issue becomes less nebulous and is a question that is most definitely worthy, and necessary I might add, of further exploration.
Diana Johnston’s article sheds some light and complements my own conclusions as some of you might have noticed from the previous posts.
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/11/24/diana-johnstone-the-great-pretext-for-dystopia/
I am not aware of what azra’s prediction is……Allen…..but if it is as far off the mark as her assessment of Donald Trump is…….or the simplistic “connecto” methodology of Anonymous 5 comments above (as though DJT has NO right to employ ANY “Maskirovka” on ANY issue………………but must abide by the simple-mindedness of his critics…. and thus……BY their METHOD……… and also be like putty in the hands of the globalists….like so many armchair quarterbacks here are………… then I’d be mighty skeptical of it.
She’s a nice sensitive lady…but shows symptoms of being quite beaten down, weary and despairing.
Not exactly the “certain trumpet” required to mobilize The Righteous into Battle Against Evil….eh???
You can copy the link of the comment you are referencing, by right clicking on what you think is “absolutely correct” ………..a menu will come up….select “copy link address” …..then paste what you are referring to so people might know what you are referring to……….that way someone might know what you are talking about…..other than “getting” the fact that you are purveying pessimism that the Good could ever prevail over the Evil Globalists………..thus slavishly serving them …..as I have seen you do in other comments.
By the way, whether the tech involved is of an epidemiological, industrial, or financial nature ALL of these things are “double-edged swords”………..that can “cut both ways”…………. and what is required to NOT be a predictably reactive programmable. brainwashable simple protozoa…..but a human being endowed with creative capacities of discovery and finer discernment regarding issues of greater and greater complexity.
In other words, “up your game” so as not to fall for the “Complicate & They Will Blunder”…..(by retreating into the comforts of simpleminded, lazy conclusions and feeling states) …..strategic trap.
For there are many fast moving flanks and maneuvers ahead ……which I have considerable confidence that Putin CAN handle …….and Trump can handle…ALSO….by the way…………accompanied by realistic sobriety (from briefly noting your unfortunate method)………… that you cannot..
One underrated such flank is the issue of “digital currency”……which scares a great many children almost as much as the Boogie Man does.
As an exercise in more critical thinking regarding just one of the many “double-edged swords” I refer you to a comment (mine) on just one such “sword” within “The Great Reset; ‘No pasarán’” article by Ghassan And Intibah Kadi 3 days ago…..as it might be a useful exercise in working through some complexity:
/the-great-reset-no-pasaran/#comment-878158
And if any traction is gained in one such area…..it might be employed in OTHER such areas….of even greater complexity and mind traps….and strategic gambits…………….and maskirovka.
Dear Allen,
Thank you so much for so many meaningful, well documented and extremely intelligent posts. Since April.
You have actually tried to save all of us in the world, I have understood this, as you were sending the warnings.
So many others tried, as Whitey Webb, Engdahl…
It was all in vain it seems , as many have gone into cognitive dissonance. In the world, and here. Collectively, they have agreed to do it. Out of the cowardice.
Noone, but noone wanted to hear the warning trumpets, as they have been embroiled into their little worlds.
This is an explanation why this site is reluctant to publish you. The little worlds have to endure in their obstinate little thinking.
Long ago you have said that you have a problem talking to your environment.
Same here, I call my best friend, in UK in total lockdown, and the fool tells me everything is normal, and I am the conspiracy theorist for warning him.
Bro says I am beaten down, cause I point to his illusions, and many more here…
I hope they will publish this at this site.
I have things to do, like go down from the hill and feed the needy animals. Cure some…
I respect you
As Bro says ‘I am a lady beaten down’, he has no idea…
There’s life I lead, secretive, beyond this cafe.
Thank you
“Dear Allen”
Azra, I have agreed with you all along.
What I find moot, at best, is Allen’s insistence that there is a real, bio-engineered virus (and therefore an implied health concern of relatively large concern). The origin of the virus (natural/bio-engineered) is irrelevant.
If there is a real health problem – it is minuscule. There doesn’t need to be a real health problem for project fear to have it’s desired effect.
The bio-engineered description is misleading.
Other than that, there is a lot of value in Allen’s analysis.
Dear Anonymous.
Let me clarify the threat of the virus. It is a real virus but it is not as harmful as portrayed by the MSM. I never implied that it was a large health concern with the expectation of the elder and the immunocompromised population. It was the pretext was the lockdowns and sun subsequently the destruction of the real economy. Also the infringement of civil liberties. It served its purpose and still continuing to do so. Hope that helps.
“I never implied that it was a large health concern with the expectation of the elder and the immunocompromised population.”
Your exception is still the description of a big problem.https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/27/watch-what-no-one-is-saying-about-the-lockdowns/#comment-282131.
It isn’t.
The cohort you describe could easily die from any of Heart disease, Cancer, Stroke, Chronic lower respiratory diseases (i.e. Influenza like diseases), Influenza and Pneumonia, Alzheimer’s disease, Diabetes
Nephritis, Accidents, Septicemia
https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/27/watch-what-no-one-is-saying-about-the-lockdowns/#comment-282131
“Sid
Nov 28, 2020 11:20 PM
The government has painted a horse named Flu pink, stuck a plastic horn (made in China) on its head and told us it’s a lethally dangerous unicorn called Covid and 99% of people believe them.
Everyone I know is horrified when I tell them I’m not frightened of unicorns and don’t wear a face nappy when I go shopping. It’s so annoying that you can’t have a proper discussion with the nappy wearers because I’m not allowed to disclose I’m a non believer and have to pretend I’m “exempt”. I’d love to be able to just say ” Never mind why I’m not wearing a nappy, why are you wearing one?”
All these same mugs will all be diligently queuing up for their vaccine in a few months like sheep waiting to be dipped and thinking it’s all going back to normal once they’ve had it. Err, don’t bank on it…”
Dear azra,
Thank you again for the vote of confidence in my analysis. I hope you read my latest one in the previous cafe. It was a response to your post where you mentioned my name. I hope you read it. Let me know what your thoughts are regarding it’s coming content.
So what’s going on…right now…in Pennsylvania 11:30 am Friday, November 27????
THIS:
, Respondents are preliminarily enjoined from doing so, pending an evidentiary hearing to be held on Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:30 AM via WebEx
For the full context, refer to this comment of mine yesterday which contains the entire court order by Judge Patricia McCullough:
/50912-2/#comment-878435
As usual LPAC has a very thorough overview of “What It All Means” in 1 or 2 stops on their site………within far a larger strategic context than Pennsylvania…..any other state…OR the entirety of the United States.
An exceprt from today’s LEAD…to whet the appetite for battle:
“A special panel of Pennsylvania legislators convened in Gettysburg, on Wednesday to hear evidence of vote fraud in the November 3rd Presidential election. The overwhelming conclusion was stated by President Trump who addressed the panel by phone:
“We won the election by a lot. This election was rigged and we can’t let that happen. This election has to be turned around…We don’t have to worry about four years right now. We have to worry about Nov. 3rd…We got far more votes than they expected and they got caught, just like they got caught spying on my campaign. We have to turn the election over. There’s no doubt. We have all the evidence…”
Pennsylvania’s legislature, like all state legislatures, has the power to decertify fraudulent votes, call for a new election, and/or dictate the manner electors are sent to the electoral college, as emphasized by Trump Campaign legal counsel Jenna Ellis. Separately, in Pennsylvania’s state court, a judge has halted certification of votes until an emergency hearing to be held Friday. The Trump Campaign continues to press lawsuits in Nevada, Georgia, Arizona, and other states while simultaneously pressing for similar hearings as that of today in state legislatures.
The Democratic Party operatives, their Mainstream media co-conspirators, and the intelligence community aiders and abettors who conducted the fraud are screaming.”
https://larouchepac.com/20201126/pennsylvania-hearings-kick-drive-save-republic-president-trump-we-won-election-lot
“Under Strong’s guidance the Canadian Club of Rome was founded in 1970 under the leadership of a misanthropic array of Privy Council technocrats including Pierre Trudeau which provided tax payer funding for the infamous MIT study which was publicized in 1972 in the form of “Limits to Growth”. The leading point man of the Club of Rome, Sir Alexander King later described the group’s accomplishments in 1990 saying:
“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill….All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.””
From Ehrets last articla @ SC.
Here is the book he speak about above- https://ia800202.us.archive.org/33/items/TheFirstGlobalRevolution/TheFirstGlobalRevolution.pdf
Hungary…. our position is Rock Solid!
Our position is rock solid. Theirs is only a political will. Theirs can be changed. Ours cannot. I do not want a compromise.
The dispute between the two countries and the EU was sparked after member states attempted to link the bloc’s €1.8 trillion ($2.1 trillion) budget, including a €750 billion ($894 billion) coronavirus recovery package, with a condition that only allows countries to receive funds if they adhere to democratic values, human rights and an independent judiciary.
Many Rifts in EU adding weight to the Empires demise!
Rt.com/news
i have been reading the Saker for years and commenting as Uriel, Last True Believer, Brother Blue Iconoclast…
I’ve considered myself a soldier all my life long (not a good one, but full of spirit).”Honour, duty , country!” And if you’re not a man of honour? It is enough if you worship the most high. That was good enough for Oliver Cromwell for his “Ironsides” and it’s good enough for me.
It was John Milton in Paradise Lost who wrote “the mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.” I remember in comments to “the Wolfhound” in the cafe lamenting “why should I be in hell when I’ve done the right thing?” Meaning going awol from Ft. Lewis in ’69 as regular army put on riot control in the summer in Seattle. I meant to evade potentially shooting demonstrators. And I did experience hell. Self exiled as a deserter in a country with a different military tradition (Canada) . I also worked as a nurse most of my working life in acute care, psychiatry, and prison. And I now know and love my Dante! So I know hell.
I noticed a couple of days ago I’m out of hell. This was always my faith but the realization is shocking.Since I noticed others being oppressed in the house of pain I’d like to post a poem over time which I’m convinced is key to those wishing to leave actually being able to do so.
Jimi, Blue, and God
Preface
I finally wrote this after meditating on the subject for fifty years. It is conceived as a kind of abbreviated divine comedy, putting some western and eastern cultural images into different form. It’s a rock poem fifty four prose verses long with verse headings. Rimbaud and Poe influenced me with the idea of short verses along with Bahaullah and Stephane Mallarme—“trying to lift his readers to an enlarged vision, thereby raising consciousness.” However, a poem is but a poem,it is what it is, nothing more nor less.
I tried to pass on that ball Jesus of Nazareth kicked, putting a new twist on it. It’s just a tragedy he was murdered by the state!
1. The Opening
Thy beauty endureth and the train of thy locks go down to Sidon
The ladders to the greatest name seem scattered to the wind…
To whom are you fleeing o earth?
We let loose the red horses at thy command
O peerless, most high, beloved one,
Our eternal friend.
brother blue
“A poem is but a poem, it is what it is, nothing more nor less.”
But it’s also a frozen moment containing somewhere within its heart, someone’s testament to the Divine Mystery within him or her self. And this is the power of poetry, it awakens within us, a “desire for more”. Thank you for sharing with us a part of your journey and hopefully we’ll see more of your poetry.
the way to know God
is to be neither for nor
against anything
I’ll try not to miss the other 50+ stanzas, of your Magnum Opus Credo, Last True Believer.
A natural question comes to mind: Who …or what was your “Beatrice”???
Your post reminds me of one of Thomas Wictor’s latest videos….in the last 2-3 days at most….in the past.
Basically admitting his utter lack of fearfulness (or time or patience for it in others) and readiness to “return home, clean” and “see God”……or some such formulation.
While I wait for the results of others with channels to aggregate the result of the hearing before the Honorable Patricia McCullough in Pennsylvania …and other of the days most critical developments…and put those results out……in 2 hours or so I highly recommend Wictor’s early in the day output today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VXvatZlMyA
Are you ready for what’s coming? just 10 minutes long
9,595 views•Nov 27, 2020
Fearless need not be resigned nor eagerly anticipating “returning home” very, very soon……….nor conceding ANY major battle or Just War………………… before The Return.
Key points for those whose TDS will not allow them to click on the above link:
55 seconds……”As you know Donald Trump speaks very elliptically, because he is revealing things in such a way as the press never picks up on it, because the press is not smart, the press all have their little scripts, and they are not really reporters, so they don’t pick up on what Trump is saying, right to their faces, and Trump said 2 (main, highly significant) things:
1. He said Proving that the election was fraudulent will be the most important thing he will ever have done in his presidency.
2. And he also said that what he is GOING TO SHOW …. is going to be the biggest news story in the history of the country.
This means that he has the real vote count and he can prove it, and at some point ….he’s going to reveal it ALL.”
4 minutes: “I think what’s going to happen is that …..if it goes to the Supreme Court…..and it might not….we may have state legislators and electors decide that they cannot certify Biden as the winner…..so if they go against what their corrupt governors are telling them, then Trump wins without having to go to the Supreme Court. But if you listen carefully to his (Thanksgiving Day) press conference……………
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg1J9k4tyAI
TRUMP TAKES QUESTIONS: President Trump Answers Reporter Questions for First Time Since Election Day
1,793,563 views•Nov 26, 2020
……you’ll see that he DOES have the evidence….and he’s going to reveal it. The Question is: WHEN??
…and my gut tells me he’s going to finish this problem first, before he reveals all of it.
He’s going to get sworn in, …he’s going to get the Senate majority…and they’re going to take the house …and I think he’ll reveal the whole thing next year.
I can’t predict what he’ll do. But my gut tells me he will reveal some of it soon, but he’ll wait till he’s sworn in to really go for the gold….and part of this is making his enemies sweat….and I approve! Because I’m all about making my enemies sweat.
Listen to his press conference. He says some things he said before the election….but he also throws in some pretty massive nuggets of gold…and he’s speaking in an incredibly convoluted style so the average person doesn’t catch it, but if you filter out the deliberate misdirection, you’ll see that he is essentially promising to reveal what he has….and “its going to be the biggest story in American history”. and then he immediately says, “well it SHOULD be.”
By qualifying everything he says, he makes the average “reporter” not even perceive it. And, you know, this is all deliberate. I perceived it because that’s what I was listening for.
And the interesting thing is, that for the first time I ever saw him do this, he cuts off a “reporter” and says,
“Don’t you EVER talk to me that way. I’m the President of the United States. Don’t you EVER talk to the president of the United States that way.”
clip shown of POTUS saying that
So I think that’s very telling. I think he’s showing us where he’s going from this point. And it is clear that he absolutely loathes the people that are in the room. And they should be sweating too. Because their little companies are going “bye-bye”. …..Take that one to the bank.”
END “click”
Hmmm Dave is getting quicker with his Bitchute uploads. Watched ’em both already on http://www.X22Reports.tv but lo and behold here they are for free on Bitchute already:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4vxgQqAJeFIw/
EP. 2339A – THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL, COMPANIES MOVE OUT OF CHINA (the short economic 1)
It’s OK. China can do without the Foxconn sweat shops for Apple. ….which is moving production to Vietnam, Black Sheep from VN!
And India.
China can probably makes its own phones and maybe even better….and concentrate more on its internal market….
Oh BTW, Allen that “inevitable Globalist Reset we’re supposed to “bend over” submissively for???
Unless POTUS ceases breathing early in his second term……it looks like it’s TOAST..to join John Brennan and and his crispy critter friends.
Which is a very, very good thing for people everywhere on this planet:
That way, all globalist oligarch’s in the making (the young ones, at least, who don’t yet have blood and sex crimes on their hands) can escape eternal damnation for crimes against humanity. And all their minions and mouthpieces such as the US presstitutes……..can seek alternative, less degrading employment. There will be factory jobs for them. And 80% of the American people will no longer hate them, once they are no longer reading CIA lines/lies off of teleprompters.
Dave discusses the Deep State’s shifting out of the “no evidence” narrative to one of “some evidence, but not enough to shift the outcome” ….they need to buy some time……no too sudden shifts yet………..in preparation for Plan B:
Urban Tantrums When Joe and Ho are denied the highest office in the land.
Which won’t work either, so then there’s Plan C…..which was tried in the past with Trump in the White House……but he always sidestepped it: A major shooting war.
I agree with Dave. Very unlikely to work this late in the first DJT term, either.
The second, longer X22:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/F5A83rbYSzSF/
EP. 2339B – THE HUNTERS BECOME THE HUNTED, TIDE IS TURNING, FINAL STAGE (his caps)
… you are doing well with this reporting Bro and I want you and Cafe people to listen to the biased garbage being broadcast via the Australian National broadcaster. Whether the “journalist” is Andrew Craft or Andrew Romano their fake propaganda is too similar to be coincidence. These idiots are being hand fed and just what do they think can be achieved by such propaganda.
Introducing Andrew Romano …
“Hi. I report on California and the American West from Los Angeles” …
https://www.yahoo.com/author/andrew-romano/
Romano calls from LA to explain to Australian listeners what is going on …
have a puke bowl ready … listen from the 3 hr mark … cannot be pre-timed …
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/nightlife/nightlife/12906626
The Australian ABC is funded by taxpayers.
Much scum and ignorance GLOBALLY will be revealed….and then be washed away!
OR maybe FIRE in place of water.
“Scorched Earth”….???
Stand by for the Report by Blow Torch Byrne……………. 9 pm and I am listening intently.
Maria Butina’s Old Flame………….(Groan……sorry, I couldn’t resist! LOL)
You’ll want to listen intently to it ALL!
… a message to all fake news reporters …
Aretha Franklin ” It ain’t necessarily so”, 1961 …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utLxNmWWSW4
David Campbell – Shout to the Top …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L86SRNSqalk
Here ya go!
Have fun:
https://youtu.be/6PsbDwoCNTU?t=1908
Leads off with tear jerking Pseudo “American” Angst ……White Rabbit for Biden………. ( less than a minute)
THEN:
The De-pixelation of the Office of the President-Elect (pretty f-ing …er make that sniffing… fast also)
THEN about 34 minutes of Patrick Byrne interviewed by Frank…who is A++++ as an interviewer….always makes the guest shine like a star….NEVER any interviewer EGO butting in…………..
AND I am not exaggerating…….BIG gold strategic nuggets of insider insights dropped all over the place…
The ONLY pessimists left after this……should be the ones whose hearts just made their last contraction at least 2 seconds ago.
ALL the marbles, guys. This is for ALL the American marbles for all of its history…. And you DO NOT want to be rooting against Byrne (who has never voted for Trump…is not Republican) or Sidney or Rudy ……or against any personal or national redemption ……….on this one.
… Monteverdi madrigals and vivacious Vivaldi …
https://www.abc.net.au/classic/programs/saturday-baroque/saturday-baroque-telemann-deus-judicium-tuum/12839748
It may be of some interest to many to read this article by the excellent Alexander Rogers, on “Aftershock” – you’ll need to use a translator unless you know Russian.
https://aftershock.news/?q=node/925344
However, he used figures to show that, as he says, slavery in America never went away. Like energy, it wasn’t destroyed, it just changed its forms.
He shows how, every time America hits an economically bad time, the rate of ownership of the poor who are worked to death for minimal return goes up. Down the years since 1864, when the North invaded the Confederacy claiming to be so they could eliminate slavery and free Negro’s, slavery has, in fact, gone up.
Currently it’s via prisons, many privately owned, who work prisoners for long hours in return for such a pathetic “wage” many cant even afford to use the telephones to call family. As he points out, latest figures from America show 97% of inmates are not convicted by a court of law, but by the notorious and terrible “plea bargaining”. There is, in fact, no way to know how many are there on a trumped up charge and are innocent.
More and more, in so many ways, the veil is being ripped from eyes world wide – and we see there has been a growing vile Empire which does nothing but suck energy from humans to keep itself.
The Empire of Jabba the Hut.
“More and more, in so many ways, the veil is being ripped from eyes world wide – and we see there has been a growing vile Empire which does nothing but suck energy from humans to keep itself.”
Of course, what is true of the past and the present here in these United States………….. and will persist in some measure into the future beyond today, November 28th 2020
Yes!!!! But to What Degree??? THAT is the question! That is the “Great Work”………… To Be Done not just here….but everywhere else, as well!
Because the same…… is also Universally True in Microcosm Form of EVIL or some sin………. in all individuals with ANY Ego…..
……..but thank God, in vastly varying degree…. for at least some Men and Women of predominantly redeeming good.
……….have always existed through all evils of the past….they are here, there, and everywhere now….they will be here, there and everywhere in the Future………….. or all human existence……here, there and everywhere else too, Pamela……would cease!
So, don’t let your own Welsh Ego kid itself that looking down on America suffices:
Overt Slavery still exists in the Arabian Peninsula, in Africa, in parts of Asia….every bit as much as in the American Prison System which HO Harris on the Joe & Ho Ticket helped fill up with American slaves of predominantly darker skin color …and which Donald Trump substantially reduced by prison reform for non-violent minor “weed” possession sorts of incarcerations.
It’s not “All The Same”.
Don’t kid yourself just to convince yourself you’re (plural….ALL readers) “better”.
Because that is NO solution to anything bigger than the “feel good” self-righteous needs of the person “feeling” that way.
The Empire of Masters and Slaves is as old or older than Babylon. It was prevalent in the Roman Empire. Which Gibbon devoted his life to studying so has to prolong the Master/Slave dominion of the British Empire.
Whose Evil was inescapably imported here.
And whose “Efficient Administration” was admired and adopted by the Rajs…..of India…..the Master Class there…to this day.
Just don’t make the absurd mistake of “throwing out the baby with the bath water” anywhere.
Even regarding the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Romans, The Venetian Party that exported The Empire Model Slave System into the British Isles through Paolo Sarpi, ….or anywhere else in the macrocosm.
There were many dragged here in chains (not uniquely in the world’s places!).
But there were many, many more that came here freely, of their own accord to escape far worse that they left behind.
And then what happens, even to the unrestrained EGO of the vastly wealthy or powerful person of melanin enriched skin anywhere in the world????
The same egoic corruption, especially if unrestrained by a society of slaves …. who themselves harbor the ambition to “free themselves” from want and oppression….by doing the same to others…..if given half a chance!
Midway between the Great Powers and the Individual lustful for power over others are small, weak, but potentially very wealthy countries like Ecuador.
Same thing! I hate the IMF……but I know people there that love it!
They consider themselves to be from “Buenas Familias”. Unlike the masses.
WHY?
Because by selling out the potential wealth of their nation, such “vende patrias” rise higher socially………to the point that their daughters need not be prostituted like so many of the lower classes are.
Not “bueno”.
SO, what’s the Bigger Picture???
Half the problem is the IMF looting of the slaves.
The other half of the problem ………..is the slaves……including the self-styled “masters” in “las buenas familias” themselves.
Ask me how I know.
Hint: I’m observant. I lived there.
2. Comet (the Martyr)
That comet,meteor,point of light, white,bright,
Filling all space in the twinkling of an eye
Burning with God’s fire
Moving ever onward in all directions
Many faced, filled with eyes
Visage razor sharp and deeply cutting
With flaming anguish into every stream
And fold of heart and mind—-
Such sweet agony!
Like the offering of one’s heart
On an Aztec altar!
Brother blue iconoclast
It would be nice to have a map which actually shows the complete line of demarcation of this Peter the Great Bay.
Clearly, it is a provocation by the US. Actually, it makes a certain perverse sense—hassle a country’s border on the West, the South and the East….The globalists will get to the Arctic soon enough.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-us-it-will-respond-future-border-violations-sea-japan
Teranam13, added to the Lavrov thread.
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