No, I’m not just talking about the wimminz…
I am what I am, in frank and open face to face discussions with someone last night they said that all my comments (that they had seen) on the Spearhead and MGTOWforums were consistent from a “guess the writers personality perspective” and all of them I identified myself with a link back to this place, which contains a far greater volume of “output” which is again consistent with the comments left in other places (FRS etc) which is again consistent with other stuff I have done in various noms de plume online in various places since 2000 at the latest.
As was said to my face, “You may not be to everyone’s taste, but you can at least get a handle on who you are, and to be fair while nobodys online persona is exactly equal to their real life persona, in your case it is a fairly accurate, for the small slice of you it represents, and every time I have seen someone meet you in RL who knew you online they all had the same reaction, there are a lot more sides to this guy than the online version of him”
Which was interesting and took some digesting, so I asked what it was, from their perspective, that caused me to eventually say fuck it and drift away from various online MRM sites.
The response was NOT what I was expecting.
Leaving out the names and identities, this is what it was;
“This site is run by a wimminz, who is basically using it as a shop window for her job, this site is run by a lawyer, this site and this site and this site are all run by divorced dads who got screwed in court, but they all have daughters…”
… and you know, THAT had not occurred to me, *I* thought it was just a case of having heard all they had to say, as you see from the sidebar on the right, I said all I had to say and then ended with the new stuff… THIS stuff here is just random musings and crap, but the stuff on the right sidebars is what this blog is really all about, a fucking survival guide.
A commenter on the previous thread about this subject said that he had noticed that a lot of these sites, wimminz like, seek consensus on a topic, rather than being content with diversity.
Here is a solid example, the person who I was discussing this with is anti eastern europeans, not because of what they are, not because of where they are from, just the ones coming HERE and ignoring all the laws that bind us and taking us to the cleaners as a country.
I myself am seen by many as anti jew, not because of what they are or where they are from, but because like wimminz they are a protected species legally, and the fact is in many financial circles the jewish community has more influence than proportional representation would account for…
I am not racist, because I can and do say the EXACT same thing about fucking lawyers in politics, but because one “influence group” is lawyers I can say it out loud, because another is jewish and another is wimminz, I cannot say it out loud without being labelled a racist and accused of hate speech.
So, the guy who is anti eastern europeans, and me, the anti jew, disagree with each others viewpoints, but neither feels the need to convert the other, we instead focus on what we have in common.
If either one of us rejected the other persons right to have a DIFFERENT, BUT CONSISTENT viewpoint, we would not be friends…
Which brings us back to certain posters (no names and no pack drill) on other sites, I don’t have a problem with them having a DIFFERENT viewpoint, I call them out when their stated viewpoint is INCONSISTENT.
For example, I have a mate who staunchly believes that NAWALT, he accepts that the majority are, but he reckons there are exceptions to be found.
But, he is consistent in that he realises that the reason he can’t actually find a NAWALT wimminz in the flesh is because the legal landscape is weighted so heavily that it would take a NAWALT woman of literally inhuman levels of integrity and self control to refuse ALL the advantages offered by the law, for 40 fucking years straight… the analogy being can you resist being a thief is everyone leaves cash on the car dashboard and open windows, and the laws of the land state that you will never actually be prosecuted if you do steal any… can you resist that, for 40 years straight?
The above consistency is why he accepts that the Not All Men Are Like That argument when some man is in the news for doing something evil, cannot be directly transferred to Not All Wimminz Are Like That, because the legal environment for men and wimminz is just so different.
What holds true for the law on cruelty to a pet dog does not apply to cruelty to a pet cockroach.
I can kill your pet cockroach and the law will not touch me.
So we got back to the subject of consensus vs diversity, and I asked my friend if I was the outsider / outlier in these websites collection of commentators because I was an FRA.
(False rape accused)
Nope, they said, you’re an outsider because you are an FRA survivor, and the important bit there is not the FRA bit, but the survivor bit.
I asked them to explain.
“Listen mate,” they said, “I’ve known you what, 30 fucking years now? So, you’re a guy who when he starts out to do something either gives it 100% or says fuck it, can’t be assed, if it is one of those things you give 100% on 100% means 100%, no holding back, no reserve, if it can be done you get it done… and I’ve seen you go through some hard times too, and I’m not talking divorce and shit, remember when the SHTF, like that time in xxxxx when xxxxxx happened and the xxxx looked at you afterwards and said ‘snake eyes’ and it wasn’t really a compliment, because you didn’t dive in…”
Yeah, I said, I remember that.
“so..” he continues “… you do that ‘snake eyes’ shit back home on the street too dude, in day to day life, you don’t see it because to you it is just one day when you say “take this job and stick it up your ass” but your mates do see it, we are on the outside looking in, it’s still ‘snake eyes’ at work, just the stakes are smaller so you don’t see it”
Hmm, maybe you’re right
“Dude” he says “You never wondered why lots of guys start to get close to you and then one day just go all distant?”
Now you mention it, I have noticed it, but some people are just like that.
“No dude” he says “I’ve been there and seen it, remember when xxxx looked at you and said ‘snake eyes’ and afterwards he avoided you… ‘snake eyes’ is them seeing that when push comes to shove you will dump their ass, no warning, the instant you become a negative in your life”
I protested, strongly, actually I told him to fuck off I’m a damn good mate who never lets a mate down
“I know” he said “you’re my mate, but think back, xxxx was never your mate, he was just one of the guys, happy to kick back when you were giving 100% and taking the load… dude, just look at you watching one of those five people stranded somewhere and need to trek out to safety films, every fucking time you say “shoot the asshole and dump the body” about the character that could pull their weight but doesn’t and is instead a burden on the others… that’s the ‘snake eyes’ dude, you’d cut your own throat in a heartbeat so save your own kids a broken bone, but only if you could guarantee it would work, when you’re faced with a no-win situation like back in xxxx or your divorce you just go snake eyes and say fuck it and walk away stone cold motherfucker, you aren’t pretending to be hard, you just change your “to do” list and walk the fuck away…. ‘snake eyes’ that’s what scares people about you dude, always has, because you’re a survivor, push comes to shove and you just drop everything that isn’t survival to you.”
Gotta confess, by now I am not feeling too good about this, and say as much.
They laugh their ass off, and say “That Eric asshole, you know why he hates your fucking guts, because even over the fucking internet he knows you’re the ‘Bad Boy’ and come to that so do these sluts you keep getting over the internet, sure, you can sit there dressed like a citizen and act like a citizen and talk like a citizen, but everyone who meets you soon knows you’re the bad boy”
I protest and deny this, I am a NICE guy.
“Sure, you are,” he says “but you are ALSO the bad boy, always have been dude.. look at you, fucking fifties and you have a workshop with a couple of motorcycles in it that’s a third of the floor area of your house, you have a fuck off giant tv, fuck off classic stereo, classic car, people want to BE you, because everyone who meets you knows you can go ‘snake eyes’ and tell someone to stick their job up their ass, and still fucking live the same lifestyle… you any idea how many people out there dream of being able to do that…”
I still protest, even if these things are true, it doesn’t make me sound like a nice guy.
“Dude” he says “you are NOT a nice guy, what you are is a STRAIGHT guy, does what it says on the tin guy, that’s a different kind of nice… every time in the 30 plus years I have known you that you fucked up was without exception when you buried the ‘snake eyes’ and made a deliberate effort to be ‘a nice guy’… look what that got you, your ex, who you would otherwise have dumped after 4 weeks after that xxx incident….. ”
That was what was circulating around my subconcious last night while I slept.
(that’s the only reason I put it here, because without the background the last para doesn’t make much sense)
Is this the basis for the Eric(a)’s of this world, the inconsistent NAWALT adherents, some deep seated programming that alters the definition of “nice” from what I am to what I hope to be, and did I just hope to be that thing in the expectation or belief that being “nice” would get me a good woman?
How deep does this socio-linguistic rabbit hole go?
So I just looked up the etymology of the word “nice”
- nice (adj.) late 13c., “foolish, stupid, senseless,” from O.Fr. nice “silly, foolish,” from L. nescius “ignorant,” lit. “not-knowing,” from ne- “not” (see un-) + stem of scire “to know” (see science).
- WHAT THE FUCK!
Just goes to show, never too fucking old to learn….
Eric(a) and Keyster et al surely are nice guys… now I know what nice actually means… and sat here thinking, what sort of asshole would aspire to be nice.