Well
, I really don’t like to fling the shit, I don’t mind telling it like it is, but flinging the shit is altogether more childish, so it is with some disquiet that I find myself in a place where what I am doing is only just over the border between flinging shit and telling it like it is.
So here we are, Bill over at the Spearhead has finally jumped the fucking shark with a review of 50 shades… I mean WTF, this is the sort of shit I’d expect from boyboobz clickfarm….
Fact is, if you wanted to do ANY sort of serious treatment of the books on an MRA site all you could do is cite the various legal punishments that would be meted out to the main character in the real fucking world of police and family courts for using his evil financial advantage, raping virgins and inflicting them with filthy perverted torture and abuse…
But even that schtick would be old hat for a mature MRA site like the spearhead, it may stretch as far as a 12 pane cartoon, but that’s about it.
Now we get to the bit that is perilously close to flinging shit;
I am not exactly a stranger to IT, I can tell you for a fact that 50/75 bucks a year will buy you all the web hosting and bandwidth you need, 10 gigs of server disk space, 500 gigs a month of Tier-1 backbone connectivity, just throw some Open Source code at it, say wordpress which Bill is using now, and that there is your total annual fucking cost.
There are no other fucking bills to hold your hand out for, unless you want to be a bitch and get paid for writing, in which case you’d better be turning out stuff a million times better than anything I could produce, or reviews of 50 fucking shades.
You think I write this shit, a survival guide for men, for fucking MONEY??? I do it cos like Muddy Waters said, I got it in me and it gots to get out…. some day if you meet me in real life buy me a fucking coffee or a beer if you like it enough.
I couldn’t bring myself to take your money, because then I’d be your bitch, and this site would make me its bitch too, having to produce x words per week… fuck that…
I have yet to see my first exception when a site owner starts holding out the tin, it always signifies the beginning of the end of what was once there… so far Bill isn’t doing anything to make the spearhead look like an exception.
So, that’s it for me, its gone from the links and I have it routed to 127.0.0.1 in the firewall hosts file… so long and thanks for all the fish Bill.
So true. Hosting costs pennies. Only reason for serious amounts of cash would be moderating comments for substantial amounts of time per week, or having to pay lawyers.
Comment by Paul Murray — July 29, 2012 @ 2:08 pm
Not only that, but there is a VAST resource of IT savvy MRA guys out there, I know for a fact I could post something like “I need someone who can grep python/ruby on rails for this MRA project” and within a week I’d have my pick of smart guys willing to give of their time and expertise for free.
Comment by wimminz — July 29, 2012 @ 2:21 pm
It didn’t read like his usual stuff. Ghost written maybe?
Comment by Ted — July 29, 2012 @ 2:26 pm
So why use the WFP byline? I could extend your observation that Bill hasn’t been acting like the Bill of old lately…
Comment by wimminz — July 29, 2012 @ 2:27 pm
Good point. I thought “this is the sort of shit I’d expect from boyboobz clickfarm” was another good point.
As for holding out the tin, hasn’t he done that regularly, every quarter? Sometimes with repeated requests.
Comment by Ted — July 29, 2012 @ 2:38 pm
Yeah, but I could live with that while he walked the walk….
Comment by wimminz — July 29, 2012 @ 2:39 pm
In the early days, I assumed the cup was extended because he was going through an expensive, acrimonious divorce. Several attorneys in my family, and they all think the family law courts are populated by scumbags (and if those scumbags are pointing fingers, then I have to take them at their words). Aside from legal/court fees, there are endless appearances one has to make which interferes with regular employment, all manner of experts to pay, and other such shit.
All that is, by his own account, coming to a close now, though. He may be needing to pay down debt. I dunno.
Not defending the man, but at times there he probably did need help. You’re generally right though. The NAWALT MRA types are pretty much indistinguishable from feminists to me. All sorts of wailing about privilege and rights, bitchy infighting, desperate fundraising appeals, and not much else.
Comment by Boxer — July 29, 2012 @ 3:42 pm
Who knows, Bill never told us exactly what the money was for, or how much he was getting, or what those who were donating were actually supporting…
I do know his “stats” were fucked, pulling total and unique page-views is one thing, pulling total comments is another, but trying to draw a line between the two and claim that the stories themselves grabbed x% of all hits while the comments pulled y% of hits, and y% could further be broken down into y1% who lurked and read comments and y2% who posted and read comments was all kinds of classic fucked up.
His graphic showing between 6,000 and 12,000 “visits” was also actually pretty fucking low, and in no way justified the claim that the site has changed the on-line landscape as regards to awareness and discussion of the MRM… *THIS* place pulls a 4 figure number per day, and it ain’t made sweet fuck all difference in the grand scheme of things.
You have to be pulling 10k+ hits per HOUR to even appear on the radar of influential websites, and then it better be a niche field, I know someone who runs a site that deals with enthusiasts for ONE make of car, and it is but one of MANY out there, and he *never* gets less than 250k unique visits a month and >10k active members (who post at least once a week) and I have yet to meet a main dealer or enthusiast of that make of car who had even HEARD of this guys fucking site…. yet it is *always* on the first page of google results when you look for shit like how to remove door cards and change window regulators and stuff on X make / model of car….
Comment by wimminz — July 29, 2012 @ 5:00 pm
OK, I decided not to talk out my ass for once and just slogged through the spearhead. It’s changed a lot in the last couple weeks. If Price is deleting you, then fuck him anyhow.
It’s all speculation, but recently a guy named Athol Kay announced that he was able to quit his day job because of all the money his site brought in. Maybe I’m paranoid, but in the week after that pronouncement, a few sites changed quite drastically, with an increase in useless articles (similar to the 50 shades pr0n review lol) and a decrease in quality content. I don’t blame the guy if he wants to get rich peddling his schtick, but I doubt he’s going to be able to pull it off, only because he seems to be moving toward the creation of a toned-down spearhead with mass appeal.
Ms. Magazine is behind the Good Men Project, and they’ve got the market for NAWALT pseudo-masculinity cornered.
Comment by Boxer — July 29, 2012 @ 6:05 pm
Well, the quality has gone down vastly also. Same with AVfM. Same old whining over and over, nothing new or innovative, no discussion of solutions to our problems, more pandering. Both Bill Price and Paul Elam lack honor, as they feel it is perfectly acceptable to disrespect people who donated their own hard-earned money when their websites were actually doing something new and meaningful. They prefer instead to pander more and more to broader demographics, especially women, weakening the message, and throwing integrity to the wind, in order to get more money so they don’t have to get a real job. It’s disgusting, really.
I don’t particularly care if I’m shit-slinging because it’s the truth.
Comment by Jeremiah — July 29, 2012 @ 10:31 pm
And it’s not just money, either. Personally I donated many hours to writing for both websites and discussing strategy via e-mail. For example, I sent Paul Elam this video: http://www.avoiceformen.com/video/everyone-in-the-mrm-should-watch-this-video/
Yet recently, both Price and Elam chose the path of compromise. They chose to forego remaining true to the core message in order to pander to women and manginas. Partly because they have daughters, and weak men with daughters can’t fathom that their special little angel really is LIKE THAT. And partly because they value money over truth.
Paul Elam claims that he’s been tailoring the message to the mainstream because he feels this will have a greater effect in the long run. But if that was the case then AVfM would at least TRY to talk about solutions to these issues. Yet they never do. Why? Because they don’t LIKE the solution, as the solution is a world where women are subservient to men, and they want their little princesses to have their cake and eat it too.
Nah, these types would rather act like feminists, claiming victimhood, constantly whining on the internet, asking for donations, and doing nothing useful. Vladek Filler? Interesting case but a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger picture.
As Jack Donovan said: “The MRM is a feminist movement. The poor bastards just don’t know it yet. Equality between the sexes is the stated goal of the feminist majority. However, feminists are humans, and because they are human they will ultimately protect and further their own interests, and that will lead to inequality. The MRM recognizes that feminism is creating inequality, but refuses to deal with the reality that equality is an impossible goal. It dooms itself by following behind feminism, shouting the same slogans and carrying the same signs.”
All these NAWALT types do is ensure that once this matriarchy comes crashing down and we rebuild, we will repeat all the same mistakes again, and again, and again. They’re worse than useless.
It wouldn’t even be so bad if these guys had the decency to admit what they’re doing, that they’re trying a strategy that tailors to the mainstream, and thanks for the help but we’re not going down your path anymore. But they don’t do that. Instead, they censor us and go on tirades against us that I would expect to come from the mouth of Manboobz. They disrespect us and dishonor themselves.
Comment by Jeremiah — July 29, 2012 @ 10:49 pm
I don’t know Jack D from adam, but I have observed time and again that some fags have an uncannily accurate nose for “people” stuff, so the best club on the strip is run by a fag, etc
Comment by wimminz — July 29, 2012 @ 10:52 pm
You should check out his book, The Way of Men. It’s very good.
I have a couple quotes from the book on my site, for example on this page and also the page on masculinity, which includes some book reviews: http://manospherelinks.blogspot.com/2012/06/decline.html
Donovan is a bit of a pariah in the men’s movement, for example Paul Elam seems to hate him and Bill Price no longer seems to be totally on board with him either, because Donovan expects men to act like men, not little bitches. Masculinity means something to him, whereas your typical mangina MRA demands that he still be called a man when he wears a dress and gossips like a woman.
Comment by Jeremiah — July 29, 2012 @ 10:59 pm
I’ve read some of jack’s stuff, can’t say I agree with ALL of it by any means, but he is a good writer and a very good observer, and sexual preferences aside (where they should be) he is clearly a man in the original sense of the word, which is to be self sufficient and complete unto himself.
To be clear about the fag thing, just because he is one doesn’t mean he is banging men, or what quality of men he is banging, any more than me being hetero/normal (lol, sorry jack) means I am banging wimminz, or what quality of wimminz I am banging…. the real difference between homo and hetero men is homo men don’t have wimminz legal powers incorporated into their partners, if any.
Comment by wimminz — July 29, 2012 @ 11:07 pm
Yeah, there’s a difference between a fag and a homosexual.
Can’t remember who wrote this, maybe Ferdinand Bardamu:
“Faggotry doesn’t refer specifically to homosexuality, though a lot of homos happen to be fags. Faggot, gay, girly-man, fairy, fruit — these are all terms to describe men who fail at being men.”
Comment by Jeremiah — July 30, 2012 @ 8:23 am
Ew.
“Blogging and Comments — The Manosphere is Growing Up”
That article at The Spearhead.
It disgusts me when manginas refer to acting like a man as being “childish”.
“Although it’s a fairly substantial change, I’m now going to set the bar considerably higher, including for graphic language (long a pet peeve of mine), violent fantasies, personal attacks, attacks on other manosphere bloggers and unhelpful griping. I assume most people can handle this fine, and it will be a much more comfortable environment for the majority.”
Oh no, graphic language! Can’t have that in our feminist utopia! Violence? That’s for pigs! Oooh, a comfortable environment for the majority. Thank God for that, we need more weak men and women who can’t differentiate a difference of opinion and a personal attack.
Any male who refers to traditional masculine behavior as “childish” is not a man.
Comment by Jeremiah — July 29, 2012 @ 10:55 pm
The irony is, if those rules were applied literally, the text of 50 shades of grey would be banned….
… so ten minutes later he does a post about… 50 shades of grey….
Comment by wimminz — July 29, 2012 @ 10:57 pm
“Fuck” is possibly the most versatile and powerful word in the English language.
Always very revealing how a site treats it.
Also as somebody with roots in the Balkans it´s plain amusing how squeamish the “´mericans” are with it.
Comment by hans — July 30, 2012 @ 3:06 am
The irony is, if those rules were applied literally, the text of 50 shades of grey would be banned….
… so ten minutes later he does a post about… 50 shades of grey….
So very true.
But Bill has got to pay the bils
An article a day keeps the creditors away!
Comment by marlon — July 30, 2012 @ 5:46 am
OK: The Sally Ride obituary on the spearhead is the requisite plank to the head.
You’re right. The place is beyond fuck’n hope.
Comment by Boxer — July 30, 2012 @ 6:49 am
The entire article fits in the thumbnail (or whatever you call it) on the front page.
Done with some care, I’d say.
Comment by Ted — July 30, 2012 @ 7:24 am
Bill Price is officially fifty shades of gay.
Comment by Jeremiah — July 30, 2012 @ 8:25 am
“You think I write this shit, a survival guide for men, for fucking MONEY??? I do it cos like Muddy Waters said, I got it in me and it gots to get out…. some day if you meet me in real life buy me a fucking coffee or a beer if you like it enough.”
And I wouldn’t pay a red cent for it, even though the advice is priceless. As a younger man, all I can do is offer my thanks and respect.
Comment by John Salt — July 30, 2012 @ 7:31 pm
Bill’s decision reminds me of another blog – a blog that is no longer around – In Mala Fide. The owner wanted to make a living, or at least a substantial monthly bump – but he couldn’t so he shut it down. I suppose a similar dynamic is at work here.
Plus, I would argue that Dalrock (who has spawned a number of other writers from his regulars) is more important/gets more page views/whatever. He allows for more freedom of speech than Bill.
Comment by marlon — July 31, 2012 @ 7:00 am
Yeah, Ferdinand Bardamu is a bit of a bitch for deleting all the articles. I was able to back many up before he shut down, thankfully.
Comment by Jeremiah — July 31, 2012 @ 9:00 pm
While we talk about WTF .. seen the Fuckbook stock price lately?
LMAO!
Comment by hans — August 1, 2012 @ 3:21 am
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