Well, it appears many from the old moderators team at nacho’s mgtowforums have set up shop at http://www.mgtowhq.com/
I see some rather obvious comments along the line of what I was saying when I set up http://men-going-their-own-way.net/ and http://men-going-their-own-way.net/4ums/index.php in that one man holding the trigger was ridiculous, but…..
1/ I see, already, comments praising the new team for doing such a sterling job in setting up a new domain and phpbb forums in 24 hours, see above, I did it myself in odd spare moments WHILE AT WORK, it is fucking trivial both technically and financially… it ain’t 1995 any more boys and girls.
2/ I see already, comments about FUNDING the fucker and donations.
But what I note most is the fact that “something is going to be done” to prevent any one man from shutting it down, but nobody has a plan as to what that is, and everyone else is just taking it on trust, welcome to the new bosses, same as the old boss(es)
I note also that despite these guys being mods of the old forums, as far as I know, I am the only one who has taken the time to provide an archive, incomplete as it may be.. http://men-going-their-own-way.net/4ums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=20
In short, I’m not seeing any DOING, just a lot of TALKING, and talking is fine and I have nothing whatsoever against it, after all I am blowing my own trumpet here, and the more cynical part of me says that “what did you expect” when the team of moderators in question were not thorny enough to either get banned by Nacho or walk.
The real problem, which wasn’t addressed, with Nacho was that he was psychologically incapable of not being the “big boss” of anything that he put significant effort in to, and he did put significant effort into it, and the old mgtowforums undoubtedly did *vast* amounts of good to vast amounts of men, but, to the “big boss”, all that is merely a vehicle to support their own esteemed status.
Which is the problem I see already rearing it’s head at the new mgtowhq, (oh yes, it is the HQ by fiat) instead of one “big boss”, now all are pledging fealty and respect to the new “big boss committee” which just happens to be the same setup as the old place, once the head was cut off the chicken.
A lot of people in a lot of countries have seen this, yes, dear leader has been deposed and beheaded for becoming a bourgeoisie enemy of the revolution, but the various department heads are all the same, and so is your fucking lot in life.
There is an analogy here to the western economies, lots of people quite sincerely and earnestly doing their level best and honestly believing that they are making a positive contribution, and lots of other minions saying well it is a shitty job anyway and none of us are competent enough or have the time and skills, and still, the whole thing always slides inevitably in the same direction.
That is why I threw a small amount of money and time at http://men-going-their-own-way.net/4ums/index.php it is an experiment, clearly I have the ability and skill and money to make this blog a domain, or host in on a wordpress script on the http://men-going-their-own-way.net/ domain, or do any one of a million other things, but, I do not do these things.
If http://men-going-their-own-way.net/ turns into the North Korea of men’s rights stuff on-line, so be it, it won’t affect anything else I do… already there is far too much of me there and not enough of not me, so it is drifting rapidly the way of many of my other bookmarks and commonly visited sites… I have done enough, it is not a question of I must stand by what I said and take a back seat, I just can’t bring myself to be anything more significant than an occasional bit player. If everyone else feels the same and it dies a death of apathy, so be it, the experiment is still valid, as is that data generated by it.
Nobody wants a true meritocracy or technocracy, they want to be sheeple and they want to be led, and deceived, and used, and told how and where to worship, and they wonder where they attract “big bosses” like Nacho, you fucking breed them by demand, you assholes.
I sit down at the PC, fire up firefox or chrome, it pops up with a list of the dozen or so most popular sites that I visit, and I just feel all meh, you know what, I can’t be bothered clicking any of those links.
I’ll just kick back and watch some zap4u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOFfBLQ_cdQ
It’s like Steam games, tens of thousands of games a click away, and I just look and think I have seen it all before, hell, even GTA-V, by the time it comes out on the PC I will have seen enough youtube of it, I will probably be all meh, unless it is 4.99, which it won’t be… there are no new games, no new game engines, when they come out and start featuring BeamNG engine and stuff, maybe I’ll take another look, where the fuck is Half Life 3 anyway..
The internet, same thing…
Forums, I dunno, they can work, things like the XDA forums, but men’s rights, I genuinely do not know, that I why in http://men-going-their-own-way.net/ I said quite specifically, here is a fucking domain, not just a forum, do with it what you will, stake out your own territory, build what you will… because foums, meh, compuserve and bbs’s mate, been there, done that, tick it off, then the revival that was usenet before the www took off in ’95, I don’t have all the time in the world, I would rather read a blog like DMJ’s at http://www.staresattheworld.com/ because I can absorb that, middle ground like the spearhead, I can absorb that, but I don’t want to, because of the big boss there… forums, if it is small and condensed enough, yeah, in short the exact opposite to what Nacho was trying to build, and what the new old bosses are trying to do in the replacement… where value and import is directly related to popularity and page views.
To me, sport was always something you DID, not something you watched, hence always describing myself as non sporty, MGTOW to many seems to consist of going to a comic con and chanting in unison, we are all individuals…