So what are we dealing with here? A hit from the rebel side (unlikely as far as I can tell), a mistake by Kiev or a conscious false flag from Kiev in order to raise tensions?
Per RT 8/17/15: RT reports that the Russians are saying Ukies are going to attack Donbass and indeed if you have been watching SouthFront lately you know the Ukies are moving heavy artillery and equipment closer and closer and shelling more and more. And if you have been watching the Kiev government you know that mostly they consistently lie especially in anything and everything issued by the Ministry of the Interior. OK. friendly fire incidents happen all the time in war and there are big “oops” when it comes to civilians who have the irritating habit of actually living in areas where battles are taking place like the cities of Donbass but the key is the narrative attached to these. Always watch what the left hand is doing and don’t drink the Kool-ade.
As soon as you see an article saying “Kyiv Post” on it,you need to start smelling a rat.They were up to their elbows in the coup that started all this.And are 100% Russophobic,so anything they post is automatically suspect from the start.I have seen a few articles pre-coup.And even a couple post coup somewhat fair.But at least 99% of their “output” is pure pro-West propaganda.
Yes, I understand that one needs to be critical of Kyiv Post. Yet, in my experience news articles are rarely entirely fabricated, whatever the site. And when you have a pro-Ukie site like Kyiv Post citing pro-Russian voices in Sartana, that makes me think it’s more credible. Anyway I just stumbled upon it after I read in Swedish MSM (which presents any report by Ukie authorities as facts) that Sartana had been shelled by pro-Russian separatists, period. This was supposedly according to the Ukrainian police in that area. So it was interesting to read another summary of the same event. Just my way of trying to orient myself in the information jungle…
And,that’s always a good idea.The fact that we know about the Kyiv Post shows that we do the same thing as you.I just wanted to make you aware about them in case you didn’t know their resume.Along the lines of them “actually” printing something useful are the statements by the civilians which clearly show they support the NAF.I think by the article, that shocked the reporter.BTW the “reporter” is a foreigner from Belarus,with long term pro-US ties.Involved in supporting fascist anti-government agents in Belarus, before bringing his “talents” to serve the junta in Ukraine.He accuses Graham Phillips of being a “terrorist” for reporting from Donetsk and wants the British to jail him.Not someone that I’d normally believe what he wrote.I do,about the civilians only because its common knowledge that at least 80%+ support the rebellion in Donbass.The Ukie’s are constantly whining about the “sub-human Russians” civilians there hating them.
Do you think there is any link between the renewed shelling of Gorlovka and the very good documentary video recently released titled “Warcrimes of Gorlovka – The Anna Tuv Story”?
“””””The seventh year of the Biblical agricultural cycle – as set down in the Torah – just happens to fall on September 15, 2015. This is a real millennial event, with a so-called tetrad of blood moons (four consecutive lunar eclipses) all falling on Judaic religious days. For those who track such astrological occurrences, a number of major events have occurred at the end of the “7-year business cycle,” as it is now commonly known.”””””
It is probably also related to Lagarde’s warning last year:
Or did she refer to MH17 in a Boeing 777 on July 17th, exactly 7 months in advance … ?
Whatever – isn’t it ridiculous if a person in her official position starts crazy talk like this?
I thought that was interesting too.I’d like to know more about him, such as,does he really exist,(or is that just a cover for other sources),was he really captured,or did he maybe defect.And most important,what all did he say.Of course to know all that,I’m afraid I’d need to be in the Donetsk intelligence service (or Russian).So I guess we’ll have to wait until someone tells us.
there have never been Ukies. Just angloamerican Fashists playing their sick games with innocent people. Agree? Ukrain citizens are puppets hanging at the kriminal Anglos ropes dancing. This all is no fun.
Meanwhile, Pro-Kiev militants shelled the Sahanka settlement from the direction of Kiev-cointrolled Kalinovka and Sartana. Witnesses report that positions of Ukrainian artillery established in the residential areas of the settlements.
Has anyone seen this one? Locals claim they were shelled by Kiev, while establishment people say the shelling came from the rebels.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/shelling-of-sartana-heightens-tension-fears-of-russian-attack-395960.html
So what are we dealing with here? A hit from the rebel side (unlikely as far as I can tell), a mistake by Kiev or a conscious false flag from Kiev in order to raise tensions?
Per RT 8/17/15: RT reports that the Russians are saying Ukies are going to attack Donbass and indeed if you have been watching SouthFront lately you know the Ukies are moving heavy artillery and equipment closer and closer and shelling more and more. And if you have been watching the Kiev government you know that mostly they consistently lie especially in anything and everything issued by the Ministry of the Interior. OK. friendly fire incidents happen all the time in war and there are big “oops” when it comes to civilians who have the irritating habit of actually living in areas where battles are taking place like the cities of Donbass but the key is the narrative attached to these. Always watch what the left hand is doing and don’t drink the Kool-ade.
As soon as you see an article saying “Kyiv Post” on it,you need to start smelling a rat.They were up to their elbows in the coup that started all this.And are 100% Russophobic,so anything they post is automatically suspect from the start.I have seen a few articles pre-coup.And even a couple post coup somewhat fair.But at least 99% of their “output” is pure pro-West propaganda.
Yes, I understand that one needs to be critical of Kyiv Post. Yet, in my experience news articles are rarely entirely fabricated, whatever the site. And when you have a pro-Ukie site like Kyiv Post citing pro-Russian voices in Sartana, that makes me think it’s more credible. Anyway I just stumbled upon it after I read in Swedish MSM (which presents any report by Ukie authorities as facts) that Sartana had been shelled by pro-Russian separatists, period. This was supposedly according to the Ukrainian police in that area. So it was interesting to read another summary of the same event. Just my way of trying to orient myself in the information jungle…
And,that’s always a good idea.The fact that we know about the Kyiv Post shows that we do the same thing as you.I just wanted to make you aware about them in case you didn’t know their resume.Along the lines of them “actually” printing something useful are the statements by the civilians which clearly show they support the NAF.I think by the article, that shocked the reporter.BTW the “reporter” is a foreigner from Belarus,with long term pro-US ties.Involved in supporting fascist anti-government agents in Belarus, before bringing his “talents” to serve the junta in Ukraine.He accuses Graham Phillips of being a “terrorist” for reporting from Donetsk and wants the British to jail him.Not someone that I’d normally believe what he wrote.I do,about the civilians only because its common knowledge that at least 80%+ support the rebellion in Donbass.The Ukie’s are constantly whining about the “sub-human Russians” civilians there hating them.
Oops, this post reminds me of the saying: “never believe anything until it is officially denied”
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/08/16/nato-denies-preparing-for-war-with-russia/
based on that saying, it is now official that NATO is preparing for war with Russia.
Do you think there is any link between the renewed shelling of Gorlovka and the very good documentary video recently released titled “Warcrimes of Gorlovka – The Anna Tuv Story”?
No! Gorlovka,is an important location on the front lines.And that is why the Ukie forces continue to terrorize it.
OT but warms the heart.
McCain chased off Native American land:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xlkEraYbUko
As I already warned last week, now RT also features this subject:
Blood moon
http://www.rt.com/op-edge/312576-september-economy-crash-eclipse/
“””””The seventh year of the Biblical agricultural cycle – as set down in the Torah – just happens to fall on September 15, 2015. This is a real millennial event, with a so-called tetrad of blood moons (four consecutive lunar eclipses) all falling on Judaic religious days. For those who track such astrological occurrences, a number of major events have occurred at the end of the “7-year business cycle,” as it is now commonly known.”””””
It is probably also related to Lagarde’s warning last year:
Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw
Or did she refer to MH17 in a Boeing 777 on July 17th, exactly 7 months in advance … ?
Whatever – isn’t it ridiculous if a person in her official position starts crazy talk like this?
One should pay attention to the very last line spoken in the video.
Kiev commanding officer was captured and reported Kiev’s military force was going to attack Donass.
I thought that was interesting too.I’d like to know more about him, such as,does he really exist,(or is that just a cover for other sources),was he really captured,or did he maybe defect.And most important,what all did he say.Of course to know all that,I’m afraid I’d need to be in the Donetsk intelligence service (or Russian).So I guess we’ll have to wait until someone tells us.
there have never been Ukies. Just angloamerican Fashists playing their sick games with innocent people. Agree? Ukrain citizens are puppets hanging at the kriminal Anglos ropes dancing. This all is no fun.
Meanwhile, Pro-Kiev militants shelled the Sahanka settlement from the direction of Kiev-cointrolled Kalinovka and Sartana. Witnesses report that positions of Ukrainian artillery established in the residential areas of the settlements.