The Netherlands is discussing with its allies an international tribunal to prosecute those suspected of downing a Malaysian airliner over rebel-held eastern Ukraine last year, sources familiar with the discussions have told Reuters.
The chance of a successful prosecution is considered slim at best but the Dutch still hope that, by pushing for a U.N.-style court with the backing of Western allies, they could pressure Russia, whose role in the process is critical, into cooperating.
Of the 298 dead passengers and crew on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, two-thirds were Dutch. With the anniversary of the disaster looming on July 17, the government is under intense pressure to act from a public who mostly believe Russia either shot down the plane or supplied the rocket to those who did.
No way they want all the stupid fake social media “evidence” put through a proper court where the idiots like bellingcat get cross examined by experts.
If they mean it as an actual case against somebody, then, as the story says ….”..how the suspects would be captured and tried had yet to be worked out…” They may as well give up right now. If they persist with sticking to the supposed “main theory” of separatists with a Russian BUK, what are they going to do? arrest 500 of them? nobody has written records of who was serving where and when.
The Ukrainian pilot has been named so should be easy enough to arrest. But you can’t choose which theory to go with just on the basis of which one you have a single suspect for, vs half the population.
They’re already drooling at the prospect of putting more sanction on Russia if she doesn’t immediately agree to this ridiculous tribunal. Yeah keep pushing, fools, keep pushing until Russia DOES release the radar showing what really happened. Idiots.
you’ll never know, I would not rule out such nonsensical attempts. Fact is they have gotten away with all nonsensical anti-Russian acts, so far…. No one has been punished or suffer any negative consequence, that being the case, there is no reason to start acting in a sensible or responsible manner !
This is really sickening – that no government of the victims countries has spoken out, even Malaysia now seems to have been co-opted into sacrificing their people for US geo-political goals.
but Rus wanted this/
“The U.N. Security Council met, at the request of Russia, to discuss a preliminary Dutch Safety Board report that said flight MH17 crashed due to a “large number of high-energy objects” penetrating the fuselage. The conclusion supported a theory that the plane had been shot down by a ground-based missile.
“The preliminary report of the DSB (Dutch Safety Board) is not very informative and doesn’t contain convincing information about the circumstances of the crash,” Russia’s U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told the 15-member council.
He said Moscow believed a transparent and objective investigation could be carried out only “with the help and participation in the investigation of the U.N.,” suggesting that a U.N. envoy and assistance mission should be considered.”
Sept 2014….and earlier in July
“Russia is calling for the United Nations Security Council to approve a U.N.-led investigation into what brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.
“We believe that such an inquiry must begin as quickly as possible under the U.N. aegis,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters on Monday. “To that end the Security Council must make yet one more decision. We are alarmed that some of our partners have been trying to steer practical efforts to organize the inquiry into separate bilateral contacts with the Ukrainian authorities.”…..
The article says the Dutch are talking about international tribunal to PROSECUTE somebody.
So Russia wants the evidence examined in public, properly, looking at sources and reliability and experts for and against each “calculation”. The Dutch appear to be wanting a court for blaming or charging somebody using the “evidence” so far which is mostly social media and “calculations” by organisations like bellingcat.
The difference?
a: “This bit of shrapnel looks like, before it got distorted, it would have been H shaped, which according to public sources exists in the XYZ variant of BUK which is assumed to have been what Ukraine/Russia had/didn’t have, based on Wikipedia, and we won’t bother to see what other weapons had these”
b: “This shrapnel chemically analysed is X and Y metals in Z proportions which the manufacturer itself proves from specifications was included only in weapons A and B, owned by places C and D based on order/delivery documents”
They may very well try that.Russia should then have a court case tried in Russia or Donbass accusing the Ukrainians of the crime and trying those the evidence points to in absentia.It of course would have no more effect than the Dutch trial would.But it would be a parallel response to the phony Dutch trial.Taking away from the Western narrative.
While they are at it.Donbass should file charges and try in absentia Westerners involved in the coup that toppled the legal government of Ukraine.Expose to public view the color revolution that took place.I doubt it would be difficult to get a conviction.All of that would be theater and to embarrass the West.Let them understand their days of bending the law to suit their desires is over.More than one knows how to play that game.They hate to be upstaged and shown as criminal fools.Let them be shown that way.
not quite sure what the end was about…some American kid getting fooled by FBI agents into agreeing to act like he was part of ISIL ?
Great music South Front…love it at the end….I can hardly wait until that defecting military general going from Ukraine to Donbass yesterday starts fighting with his friends..think if Donbass could take Kiev and then on to Berlin !!!
With the Yukos case in the international court working out well for empire, it looks as though as though they may try a similar stunt on MH17
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/us-ukraine-crisis-mh-idUSKBN0P326E20150623
Exclusive: International tribunal looks like best chance for MH17 justice – Dutch sources
The Netherlands is discussing with its allies an international tribunal to prosecute those suspected of downing a Malaysian airliner over rebel-held eastern Ukraine last year, sources familiar with the discussions have told Reuters.
The chance of a successful prosecution is considered slim at best but the Dutch still hope that, by pushing for a U.N.-style court with the backing of Western allies, they could pressure Russia, whose role in the process is critical, into cooperating.
Of the 298 dead passengers and crew on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, two-thirds were Dutch. With the anniversary of the disaster looming on July 17, the government is under intense pressure to act from a public who mostly believe Russia either shot down the plane or supplied the rocket to those who did.
What rubbish.
No way they want all the stupid fake social media “evidence” put through a proper court where the idiots like bellingcat get cross examined by experts.
If they mean it as an actual case against somebody, then, as the story says ….”..how the suspects would be captured and tried had yet to be worked out…” They may as well give up right now. If they persist with sticking to the supposed “main theory” of separatists with a Russian BUK, what are they going to do? arrest 500 of them? nobody has written records of who was serving where and when.
The Ukrainian pilot has been named so should be easy enough to arrest. But you can’t choose which theory to go with just on the basis of which one you have a single suspect for, vs half the population.
They’re already drooling at the prospect of putting more sanction on Russia if she doesn’t immediately agree to this ridiculous tribunal. Yeah keep pushing, fools, keep pushing until Russia DOES release the radar showing what really happened. Idiots.
you’ll never know, I would not rule out such nonsensical attempts. Fact is they have gotten away with all nonsensical anti-Russian acts, so far…. No one has been punished or suffer any negative consequence, that being the case, there is no reason to start acting in a sensible or responsible manner !
This is really sickening – that no government of the victims countries has spoken out, even Malaysia now seems to have been co-opted into sacrificing their people for US geo-political goals.
but Rus wanted this/
“The U.N. Security Council met, at the request of Russia, to discuss a preliminary Dutch Safety Board report that said flight MH17 crashed due to a “large number of high-energy objects” penetrating the fuselage. The conclusion supported a theory that the plane had been shot down by a ground-based missile.
“The preliminary report of the DSB (Dutch Safety Board) is not very informative and doesn’t contain convincing information about the circumstances of the crash,” Russia’s U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told the 15-member council.
He said Moscow believed a transparent and objective investigation could be carried out only “with the help and participation in the investigation of the U.N.,” suggesting that a U.N. envoy and assistance mission should be considered.”
Sept 2014….and earlier in July
“Russia is calling for the United Nations Security Council to approve a U.N.-led investigation into what brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.
“We believe that such an inquiry must begin as quickly as possible under the U.N. aegis,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters on Monday. “To that end the Security Council must make yet one more decision. We are alarmed that some of our partners have been trying to steer practical efforts to organize the inquiry into separate bilateral contacts with the Ukrainian authorities.”…..
Russia was asking for an international INQUIRY.
The article says the Dutch are talking about international tribunal to PROSECUTE somebody.
So Russia wants the evidence examined in public, properly, looking at sources and reliability and experts for and against each “calculation”. The Dutch appear to be wanting a court for blaming or charging somebody using the “evidence” so far which is mostly social media and “calculations” by organisations like bellingcat.
The difference?
a: “This bit of shrapnel looks like, before it got distorted, it would have been H shaped, which according to public sources exists in the XYZ variant of BUK which is assumed to have been what Ukraine/Russia had/didn’t have, based on Wikipedia, and we won’t bother to see what other weapons had these”
b: “This shrapnel chemically analysed is X and Y metals in Z proportions which the manufacturer itself proves from specifications was included only in weapons A and B, owned by places C and D based on order/delivery documents”
Great comment Kat Kan…yeah just wait idiots…go get’em girl !~!@!
They may very well try that.Russia should then have a court case tried in Russia or Donbass accusing the Ukrainians of the crime and trying those the evidence points to in absentia.It of course would have no more effect than the Dutch trial would.But it would be a parallel response to the phony Dutch trial.Taking away from the Western narrative.
While they are at it.Donbass should file charges and try in absentia Westerners involved in the coup that toppled the legal government of Ukraine.Expose to public view the color revolution that took place.I doubt it would be difficult to get a conviction.All of that would be theater and to embarrass the West.Let them understand their days of bending the law to suit their desires is over.More than one knows how to play that game.They hate to be upstaged and shown as criminal fools.Let them be shown that way.
not quite sure what the end was about…some American kid getting fooled by FBI agents into agreeing to act like he was part of ISIL ?
Great music South Front…love it at the end….I can hardly wait until that defecting military general going from Ukraine to Donbass yesterday starts fighting with his friends..think if Donbass could take Kiev and then on to Berlin !!!