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They shoot and kill a coupe of guys in Paris and most of the world howls in anger [or so will MSM have you believe – they did try hard to whip up that image, didn’t hey?].
They shoot and kill thousand of citizens in the Donbass and-
What?
I can’t hear you through the dense fog of this mysterious silence…
off topic, but when I first heard that Apple Appstore for wechat was hacked in China, my first suspicion is the Hegemon. And now there is some indirect evidence for this:
https://theintercept.com/2015/09/22/apples-app-store-infected-type-malware-cia-developed/
Thanks SF.
OT, but related:
NewsFront has posted a full, unedited video on MH-17 today. The video contains graphic footage of the carnage so please be careful viewing. :
(I blocked best as I could while leaving the sub-titles in my line of vision.)
No question, all eye witnesses say fighter jet approached the plane. No BUK, all are adamant.
The new item for me was Anna Petrenko, the ATC controller in direct contact with the plane. She is a ‘friend’ of Kolomoisky, a Right Sector supporter and has been ‘on vacation’ since the incident. She left immediately after it happened and has never been interviewed.
So where is she now? Surely this is an Interpol issue if the DSB haven’t interviewed her?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4JCm7gq6eA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Russia should be (I’m sure they are) aware of her location. And they should perhaps consider “extraordinary rendition” as does the West.
Bring her to justice. I heard she was in Dubai some time ago?
Eimar, Thank you for the MH17 link here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4JCm7gq6eA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
An excellent production.
I am certain family members will come to realize who was really responsible and why!
SouthFront 9/23/15: Kiev does troop rotation. Interesting to know which troops, how many and how often. Troop rotation is one of the ways to keep up morale and attention during a prolonged siege, but of course there may be other reasons like keeping them from being “infected” by the volunteer fascist batallions etc.
Low intensity actions. Widespread. But the heavy weapons no longer in use. This is good for the civilians generally.
The question forming is this war going the way of other frozen conflicts?
Yes,Pornoshenko & his Masters do not have choice….
OT (somewhat).
Australian Broadcasting Corp. (ABC) has done a surprisingly sympathetic piece on foreign volunteers fighting for Donbass. They even interviewed Russell Bonner ‘Tex’ Bently: Russia’s foreign legion: Hundreds of fighters join pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine.
Certainly a step “above” most of the vile MSM propaganda,I agree. But still not really sympathetic to the NAF.They put their “poison pills” in the soup as well,”convicted drug smuggler (several mentions),Donetsk…a shadow of itself,Donetsk… Soviet time warp,so-called Donetsk People’s Republic ,the success of the rebel separatists in retaining their grip on eastern Ukraine has been put down to the support of Russian troops and weapons flowing across the porous border”.Inserting those types of propaganda “code words,and Western talking points” into an otherwise positive article.Works to negate some of the positive slant of an article.Even when we think they are being “fair”,I never trust the West until I see and grasp the “subtext” to their words.
OT
In for a good laugh?
Then buckle up.
“US representative [Samantha Power -sic] to the UN claims Russia’s vetoes ‘jeopardise’ security council’s effectiveness.”
I kid you not.
No link provided, coz it’s garbage.
This might be of interest though.
There is no doubt the US would be happy to strip Russia of its UN veto.Ukraine,and now it seems the US has said something along those lines.When I first heard Ukraine say that,I started to smell a rat.And I thought to myself,”how could they do that”.When the UN was set-up the 5 main Allied nations from WW2 were given permanent veto powers in the UN as part of the agreement setting it up.So if Russia’s enemies tried to undue that they would end by destroying the UN itself.But then I think I hit on what trick they might be thinking of.The nation given the veto power,was not Russia,but was the USSR.And they may be thinking to argue that the USSR doesn’t exist today.And so Russia shouldn’t have a membership and veto in the UNSC.That is a very “tricky” legal question.Russia has been recognized as the “successor state” to the USSR legally.And assumed all the international debts and rights of the USSR.But still,since we know how the Empire likes to sow confusion and chaos in the World.That might be what their plan is.To have Ukraine,another ex-USSR state to officially contest Russia’s right to the seat.I could be wrong of course.But the fact that Ukraine and the US are both now making noise about the veto,makes me wonder if they have that trick up their sleeve.I doubt they would succeed in the plot.And if they did the UN would cease to exist as a World body.Russia and its allies would renounce any connection to it.And renounce any obedience to decisions made there.Probably setting up a parallel World organization to take its place.But still,the turmoil caused by that squabble would be hard on the World and any thought of international law would go out the window.
typical psychopath talking. Psychopaths dont not feel embarassment, so being totally hypocritical is just second nature.
Daniel. Hi.
Comment from another site made me laugh:
Russia’s actions may prove quite popular among those who actually believe in ridding the world of terrorism (that huge majority of people who would love, once again, to wear their shoes in the airport and not see images of grandmothers and 3-year old quadriplegics molested by glorified fast food workers).
Here is something from Gordon Duff at the NEO website:
http://journal-neo.org/2015/09/23/the-secret-isis-safe-havens-nobody-wants-you-to-know-about/
Sometimes I wonder if he is hungover or still drunk, or worse. But this is pretty amusing and if it could be done it would be a different world.
yes, Hegemon getting a taste of his own medicine would be great….
Any comment on Paul Craig Robert’s article here which essentially says that the US administration is duplicitous and treacherous (true) and Russia is credulous and ‘needy’ (maybe not true).
Any thoughts?
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/09/23/russias-false-hopes-paul-craig-roberts/
I can’t imagine that Rus Security Council -probably the most talented members in the world-aren’t aware of all this, neither Iran…..so all scenarios will have been strategised and they know they are prepared…….but politically they wish to show a humanitarian side to the world, thus “educating’ the world they are not isolationist to bolster up the credulity of the multi-polar world that should over the next decade come to fruition……and with now up to 5000 “rus ‘ nationality participants within ISIS that has got to be stopped.
I think that report said ex-Soviet states.So that could mean from all the different countries,not just Russia.I suspect a lot of them were from the Central Asian Republics.
Paul Craig Robert gets it – for once – all wrong. Neither Iran nor Russia are going to cave in to US demands.
What demands? Nobody in the White House would know. The US administration in toto has disintegrated in a shockingly short time into a total freak-show. All sense of purpose and direction has completely vanished. I haven’t heard a single coherent statement by any US figure-heads since quite some time.
Doctors call it a severe case ‘uni-polar disorder’. Untreatable. Incurable. Often accompanied in the later stages by sudden bursts of violent episodes. The staff is advised to talk to the patient in a calm and soothing voice.
“Yes, we will work together… All will be fine…”
SanctuaryOne,
PCR is really smart in economics, but not so expert at channeling Putin’s brain.
Some things are changing, though. CBS-TV (US) interviewer, Charlie Rose, went to “outside Moscow” to interview Putin this past weekend. Was returning on Mon. a.m. EDT, according to co-anchors. Until then it was a secret. Some little promo snippets of the interview have been shown on morning news this week, but the entire interview is to be on the program, “60 Minutes” on Sunday evening. CBS is promoting it as their first program of the New Season, and Rose said this a.m. that the interview period was 45 minutes.
Now, here’s the good part: this morning during the regular a.m. news, Charlie Rose told that Putin invited him to “stay for tea,” and they continued talking. Then, to Rose’s surprise, he was asked to stay on for dinner, which he did. He said they continued talking about stuff discussed in the interview. I will not, myself, speculate here as to how and why this interview comes so soon after Rose joined Putin and others on a stage at the St. Petersburg economic forum and did an interview there in front of a huge crowd — which didn’t go all that well for Rose. (That interview was posted on Rose’s own web site, but now it seems to have disappeared.) So, how Rose approaches Putin in this one, shot specifically for U.S. prime time MSM, could be telling. I guess he eschewed the “gotcha traps” if he was invited to stay and chat through tea and dinner.
As for those who think Putin is being “suckered” by “opponents making nice”? “Credulous and needy”? My gut intuition says, “Not a chance!”
My thoughts exactly; generally speaking neither the Russians, Chinese or Iranians are stupid, although there may be elements within their power structures that are, or are otherwise ‘subversive’.
There will also be, as with all bureaucracies, idiotic layers of hierarchy that conflict and render those structures inert or bogged down.
Beyond that there may be pragmatic/strategic reasons for losing a battle in order to buy time, mislead the enemy or because the costs outweigh the benefits. Choose your battles so to speak. I am thinking of Libya here -where some say that Russia was duped on the no-fly zone.
Thanks South Front,the voice has a cold I think.
he United States and other countries should take the necessary steps to help Ukraine avoid payment of Russia’s debt in the amount of $ 3 billion, said Sputnik Senator Chris Murphy, who is a member of the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.
US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations is planning to hold a briefing behind closed doors with the director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Christine Lagarde, to discuss a situation with Ukraine’s debt.
The senator said: “I do not think that Ukraine owes at least something to give back to Russia.”
Russia belongs to the official creditors of Ukraine. And Ukraine has received the funds in December 2013, when power was President Viktor Yanukovych. Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov has repeatedly stated that Russia does not plan to participate in any way in the restructuring of Ukraine’s debt and will require full repayment of it in time – in December 2015 – the whole issue of Eurobonds for 3 billion dollars.
http://www.anna-news.info/node/43247
google translate
Ukraine has released a memorandum to the bondholders, which implies that Kiev does not pay the debt in Moscow three billion dollars in the period. Thus, Russia has the right to declare an immediate default of Ukraine.
At the end of 2013 during the presidency of Viktor Yanukovych, Russia had taken a debt that must return to the 20 December 2015. This is evidenced by a memorandum to the proposal for the restructuring of external debt Ukrainian addressed to holders of bonds totaling 18 billion dollars. It says that after the restructuring of Kiev “will not pay for the old securities in accordance with their contractual terms.”
For 15 large US banks have recognized default of Ukraine.
From 23 September, the Government announced the termination of payments to repay the national debt. A Yatsenyuk apparently playing “one-man” during the next speech in the Verkhovna Rada promise to citizens of Ukraine’s GDP, both in Switzerland and the average salary in the amount of two thousand dollars.
http://www.anna-news.info/node/43217
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The head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Pavlo Klimkin accused Russia of preparing the militants of the terrorist group “Islamic State” (IG).
“Russia knows LIH militants, their mentality, it is even partially cook them,” – he said on the air of Ukrainian “Channel 5”, talking about Russian policy in the Middle East.
Such sophisticated insanity may come to mind not only visionary, with flawed intelligence ukrofashistu.
The Russian government has not once stated about the need to counter the IG. At the summit of the CSTO Vladimir Putin September 18 also he stressed that Moscow has and will provide the necessary military and technical assistance to Damascus in the fight against terrorists IG, and called on all countries to support the Syrian authorities in confronting terrorism.
In June 2014 announced the establishment of the occupied territories of Iraq and Syria, “Islamic caliphate” (state with Sharia form of government) and the renaming of “Islamic state.”
Islamists are fighting the citizens of 80 countries. Their fighters control 40% of the territory of Iraq, and about 50% – Syria.
but ukr actually trains them……..
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/crimean-tatar-islamic-terrorists.html
Back in June 2015 I received information that at the poligon “Shiroky Lan” (Nikolaev region) they are training radical Islamists, including the Crimean-Tatar battalion “Crimea”. In August came the info that instructors there have a specific Arab appearance. Simultaneously it became known that the training at the camp follows the program of preparation of guerrillas-terrorists.
At first, I thought they were prepared for Russia for the fall of 2015. But here came more info that makes me look at it differently. Considering the temporary pause of the war in Donbass the “Islamists” are being prepared, at least partially, for transfer to the Middle East. To the aid of ISIS, now suffering defeats from the government army, in Syria and in Iraq.
All the militants have to pass through Syria on rotation. To obtain combat experience and improve coordination in a combat situation. Plus for now they are not needed in Ukraine.
The logic of the U.S. and their Kiev puppets is understandable. But how will Europe look at another base of an organization, recognized as terrorist by all EU countries, in the Black Sea steppes? Does anyone expect that this is the way to get closer to Europe?
An Islamist terrorist base on your territory it is always a pain in the neck for any government. Whether it’s Turkey, or … Ukraine. They are always the harbingers of war. We all remember how last year and this year, radical groups were trying to destabilize the internal situation in Turkey. And Kiev is the capital of two maidans and it is very likely that sooner or later there will be a third. But it will be joined by Islamic fundamentalists…’
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meanwhile ukr wants 50 b for loss of Crimea
Foreign Minister of Ukraine Pavlo Klimkin stated that Kiev in international courts will require compensation from Russia for allegedly supporting the annexation of the Crimea and Donbas militia. He noted that the amount of the claim will even the cost of natural resources, including sand.
The amount of claims on claims may exceed $ 50 billion, said the Foreign Minister of Ukraine Pavlo Klimkin.
“We already know what compensation we will demand,” – Klimkin said in the program “Left Bank” on Tuesday, talking about claims that Ukraine has submitted to international courts against Russia in connection with the accession of the Crimea and the situation in the Donbass.
“I think as a result of the amount of some claims may order its value equal to the” Yukos affair “(the former Yukos shareholders in the Hague to sue Russia $ 50 billion – ed.),” – The minister said.
We count all. Even the cost of natural resources, including sand, the minister stressed.”
http://www.anna-news.info/node/43092
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