I’m wondering if the war (full war) is about to restart in Donbass. I’ve heard the theory that Kiev “can’t” restart the war.That they don’t have the ability to do it.I don’t believe that.If they have the “will” , (and US backing) they will find the means.And it would be a way for the West to “payback” Russia for their success in Syria.So the question is will they? That I don’t know.But there are several reasons I think they might.
1.As soon as the ground freezes their vehicles will be able to maneuver over it.So I think they are waiting for that.
2.I read a few days ago that Poroshenko signed an order allowing NATO troops into Ukraine for temporary military exercises.And that several thousand NATO troops will be in Ukraine until late December.I think the attack on Donbass will be while they are in Ukraine.That would make it difficult for Russia to respond militarily inside Ukraine,anywhere outside of Donbass.In effect,the NATO troops would be the junta’s “human shields”.I’m not saying Russia wouldn’t respond,but they might not.And I believe the junta is counting on them not.
3.The junta has been moving large numbers of troops and equipment to the front.In violation of the Minsk agreement.And has picked up the shelling to a great degree.And much of that shelling according to the NAF has been to clear mine fields from the front.Which would make it easier for them to attack through those cleared areas.
4.Here is the “crux of my theory”.Among the equipment moved up have been attack helicopters.I believe the planning for their offensive would have been done “by” or “with” help from NATO advisers.And as we know the US likes to use attack helicopters in a big way to support their ground assaults.So that would make sense for them starting to bring in helicopters to the front.
4A.I also believe that the reasons the NAF and the Russians haven’t been overly concerned lately is because they have contacts in the UAF feeding them their plans.Whether full time agents,or just soldiers making a buck in the corrupt way Ukraine is notorious for.But I also think the Ukrainians and Americans know about that.They may not know “who”.But they know it is happening.So if you were the American advisers what would you do about that.What I believe they would do,is keep everything on edge.Have the soldiers training for that attack all the time.(which according to the NAF is what is happening.) If they are constantly ready,all you have to do,is order the attack.Leaving little time for word to leak out.And because nothing is out of the ordinary,it would not arouse suspicion among the NAF until the last minute.
4B.All of these pinprick measures on Crimea are also a way of taking Russia’s eyes off of Donbass.Keeping them busy using resources on projects in Crimea.And keeping their military on watch for an assault or terrorist attack in Crimea.
So,if I’m right (a big if,I admit) and something doesn’t change until then.I suspect the week the ground freezes will be the most dangerous time for the war to restart in Donbass.
If what you say comes true then that would be the beginning of the end of NATO. With the Caspian Sea missile strikes Russia proved it can strike from deep inside its own territory; the Kalibr cruise missiles can literally be fired from assembly lines in the Urals to hit Ukraine. Furthermore, Ukraine is essentially home turf for the Russian army; I am sure there are still some Russian colonels and generals from Soviet times very familiar with Ukraine. Even if the US sent a lot of AH-64Ds, they would have a hard time against S-400s, S-300s, MiG-31s, and the various flavours of “Flakers,” or even the MiG-29s. Whatever combined NATO+Ukraine force there would not be able to hold out for long against the latest Russian armoured divisions. Finally, there is the cliche “amateurs talk tactics, while professionals talk logistics,” and US airlift to Ukrainian Nazis will not be able to out-supply Chinese rail and truck lines to Russia.
Fantastic interview with Thierry Meyssan by Milenko Nedelkovski (Macedonia). Stunning insider information on Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Libya, Egypt and much more. Must listen.
Well Russia may be at war with Turkey in days now.RT is reporting the Turks shot down a plane “near” their border.If it was Russian I don’t see how Putin will be able to not respond militarily.Or some Russian pilots might need to do the job for him on their own.If it was Syrian or Iranian then those countries should do the same.I’d be damned if I’d let the Turks get away with that without payback.The pilot ejected,but may have come down in jihadi territory.There is a video on RT.
A Russian Su-24 fighter has been shot down in Syria, Russian Defense Ministry said, adding the plane hadn’t violated Turkish airspace and was at an altitude of 6,000 meters.
A Turkish military official told Reuters the jet was warned before being targeted. The official added that the plane was shot down by Turkish F-16 fighter jets.
Last week erdo warned that bombing his terrorists will have dire consequences and today turkey shoots down a Russian jet inside Syrian air space… Turkey just declared war on Russia.. Does erdo have a death wish?
#Turkey Air Force F-16s engage/shot down a fighter jet inside the Syrian border: Turkish military officials via @Reuters | #Syria
PHOTO: 2 pilots from downed warplane in #Syria near Turkish border seen parachuting to ground – @CNNTURK_ENG
#Update #Turkey downs jet in border w/#Syria #Russia Defense Min says SU-24 was 6000 feet over Syrian airspace https://t.co/IDt33vvAW2
The 2 pilots ejected themselves from the downed jet near #Turkey #Syria borders
The Russians have confirmed the plane was there and they assert it never violated Turkey’s airspace.
Background Information: Two days ago Russia bombed Turkmen villages near the border with Turkey in Northern Syria. Turkey summoned the Russian foreign minsiter and demanded an immediate hault to Russian air operations in Northern SYRIA or they would face “serious consequences”.
As a side note, Russia claimed to have bombed Nursa in this raid. Turkey said there was no Nursa presence there only to be contradicted by Nursa themselves. https://www.reddit.com/…/turkey_claims_there_isnt…/
Conclusion: Its entirely possible that Russia didn’t violate Turkey’s air space but the plane was shot down anyway and then the convenient lie issued by Turkey to enforce a de-facto No Fly Zone over Northern Syria where Nursa, Ahrah-Al-Sham and their “moderate” FSA allies can be safe from bombing.
Obama, leading from behind, may even be behind this planned downing of a Russian SU-24. It fits his style. Turkey takes all the risk.
What happens next I have no idea, but I’m literally shaking as I type this.
BBC reporters talking simply of “Diplomatic fireworks ahead”!
Somehow I don’t think Russia will be as patient with this and reserve judgement as they did over the airline. The military, who would have been tracking their planes closely, need to show very quickly that Turkey/NATO are lying here.
This plus Crimea it seems all so very connected with the intention to provoke, what is the intention?
Reports that the ejected Russian pilots were captured by Turkish terrorists..
We can see a full scale invasion here if they are not freed pronto….
Russian Ministry of Defense now tweeting that the jet only flew inside #Syria territory
4 days ago Turkey threatened ‘serious consequences’ if Russia didn’t stop bombing Turkmen villages in north Syria.
3 Russian journalists wounded in #Syria in an attack by anti-tank missile, 2 of them from Russia Today: Russian MoD
Iranian media report Russian MoD claim that Russian aircraft was over Syria for whole flight.
Well the plane I posted about was a Russian SU-24 according to RT.The Turks claim they shot it down.The Russians say (right now) they think it was shot down from the ground.The pilots ejected,but they are unaccounted for right now.Either the Turks are lying.Or the Russians don’t want to be forced to confront Turkey for the shoot down.If that is true that is a very bad move.You never let a country shoot your planes down without payback. You will lose the loyalty of your military that way.And the enemy will lose total respect (and fear) for you.
Russian plane downed over Syria by Turkey. Proof positive that NATO’s provocations have no limits. Looming hot war with Russia, now a major step closer….
These are allegedly the pilots, dead one on the left
The Russian pilot that died in the shooting down of his plane this morning. Either died on impact or beheading. Alexander Akhmadulin, who is said to be the dead pilot of the downed Su-24. God bless his soul in the fight against evil..
FAKE PICTURE Posted by parody news site.. Never knew such a thing was allowed but I suppose it is.. Remember, in the US there are no news outlets only entertainment outlet according to the law..
Latest news is a video showing what is claimed to be a dead pilot.Surrounded by a mob of screaming jihadis.Saying they should have burned him.Its assumed they killed him.That area doesn’t have ISIS.Those are the US’s “moderates”
Russian President equates Turkey with terrorist accomplices. Criminal, state-sponsored terrorism, in other words. The fallout from this crisis will be only the beginning of events now rapidly spinning out of ‘control’.
“Putin: Downing of Russian jet over Syria stab in the back by terrorist accomplices” https://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/
US vs China in South China Sea; Geopolitical History Lessons; Mali, Libya & the US Agenda in Africa
Eric Draitser of StopImperialism.org, security analyst Mark Sleboda and journalist/broadcaster Don DeBar, appear on CPR Sunday (November 22, 2015)
http://stopimperialism.org/us-vs-china-inenda-in-africa/
Worth a read.
GLADIO Goes Full Retard: Brussels Encourages Residents To ‘Fight Terror’ By Tweeting Pics of Cats
http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/23/gladio-goes-full-retard-brussels-encourages-residents-to-fight-terror-by-tweeting-pics-of-your-cats/
I’m wondering if the war (full war) is about to restart in Donbass. I’ve heard the theory that Kiev “can’t” restart the war.That they don’t have the ability to do it.I don’t believe that.If they have the “will” , (and US backing) they will find the means.And it would be a way for the West to “payback” Russia for their success in Syria.So the question is will they? That I don’t know.But there are several reasons I think they might.
1.As soon as the ground freezes their vehicles will be able to maneuver over it.So I think they are waiting for that.
2.I read a few days ago that Poroshenko signed an order allowing NATO troops into Ukraine for temporary military exercises.And that several thousand NATO troops will be in Ukraine until late December.I think the attack on Donbass will be while they are in Ukraine.That would make it difficult for Russia to respond militarily inside Ukraine,anywhere outside of Donbass.In effect,the NATO troops would be the junta’s “human shields”.I’m not saying Russia wouldn’t respond,but they might not.And I believe the junta is counting on them not.
3.The junta has been moving large numbers of troops and equipment to the front.In violation of the Minsk agreement.And has picked up the shelling to a great degree.And much of that shelling according to the NAF has been to clear mine fields from the front.Which would make it easier for them to attack through those cleared areas.
4.Here is the “crux of my theory”.Among the equipment moved up have been attack helicopters.I believe the planning for their offensive would have been done “by” or “with” help from NATO advisers.And as we know the US likes to use attack helicopters in a big way to support their ground assaults.So that would make sense for them starting to bring in helicopters to the front.
4A.I also believe that the reasons the NAF and the Russians haven’t been overly concerned lately is because they have contacts in the UAF feeding them their plans.Whether full time agents,or just soldiers making a buck in the corrupt way Ukraine is notorious for.But I also think the Ukrainians and Americans know about that.They may not know “who”.But they know it is happening.So if you were the American advisers what would you do about that.What I believe they would do,is keep everything on edge.Have the soldiers training for that attack all the time.(which according to the NAF is what is happening.) If they are constantly ready,all you have to do,is order the attack.Leaving little time for word to leak out.And because nothing is out of the ordinary,it would not arouse suspicion among the NAF until the last minute.
4B.All of these pinprick measures on Crimea are also a way of taking Russia’s eyes off of Donbass.Keeping them busy using resources on projects in Crimea.And keeping their military on watch for an assault or terrorist attack in Crimea.
So,if I’m right (a big if,I admit) and something doesn’t change until then.I suspect the week the ground freezes will be the most dangerous time for the war to restart in Donbass.
If what you say comes true then that would be the beginning of the end of NATO. With the Caspian Sea missile strikes Russia proved it can strike from deep inside its own territory; the Kalibr cruise missiles can literally be fired from assembly lines in the Urals to hit Ukraine. Furthermore, Ukraine is essentially home turf for the Russian army; I am sure there are still some Russian colonels and generals from Soviet times very familiar with Ukraine. Even if the US sent a lot of AH-64Ds, they would have a hard time against S-400s, S-300s, MiG-31s, and the various flavours of “Flakers,” or even the MiG-29s. Whatever combined NATO+Ukraine force there would not be able to hold out for long against the latest Russian armoured divisions. Finally, there is the cliche “amateurs talk tactics, while professionals talk logistics,” and US airlift to Ukrainian Nazis will not be able to out-supply Chinese rail and truck lines to Russia.
The ruthless elites construct the new enemies
http://bit.ly/1NMM8yR
Turkey shot down jet fighter near Syrian-Turkish border.
https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/
Looks like MiG-23 to me.
Fantastic interview with Thierry Meyssan by Milenko Nedelkovski (Macedonia). Stunning insider information on Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Libya, Egypt and much more. Must listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5Tcz9gVzk
Well Russia may be at war with Turkey in days now.RT is reporting the Turks shot down a plane “near” their border.If it was Russian I don’t see how Putin will be able to not respond militarily.Or some Russian pilots might need to do the job for him on their own.If it was Syrian or Iranian then those countries should do the same.I’d be damned if I’d let the Turks get away with that without payback.The pilot ejected,but may have come down in jihadi territory.There is a video on RT.
https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/
A Russian Su-24 fighter has been shot down in Syria, Russian Defense Ministry said, adding the plane hadn’t violated Turkish airspace and was at an altitude of 6,000 meters.
https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/
Lots of rebel videos of them attacking positions and taking over towns.. Towns they are already occupying..
After 3 years of being besieged #SAA Soldiers from #Kwieres #Kweres finally going home.
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1
Okay so lets all get into it now.. Send the chics to go die because the men are well running off to yurope for the freebies… How Ukrainian of them..
FSA women’s errr are they women or just pigs with lipstick?
https://twitter.com/Sarcastic_Syria/status/668998654166831105
Turkey shot down a Russian SU24..
A Turkish military official told Reuters the jet was warned before being targeted. The official added that the plane was shot down by Turkish F-16 fighter jets.
Last week erdo warned that bombing his terrorists will have dire consequences and today turkey shoots down a Russian jet inside Syrian air space… Turkey just declared war on Russia.. Does erdo have a death wish?
#Turkey Air Force F-16s engage/shot down a fighter jet inside the Syrian border: Turkish military officials via @Reuters | #Syria
PHOTO: 2 pilots from downed warplane in #Syria near Turkish border seen parachuting to ground – @CNNTURK_ENG
#Update #Turkey downs jet in border w/#Syria #Russia Defense Min says SU-24 was 6000 feet over Syrian airspace https://t.co/IDt33vvAW2
The 2 pilots ejected themselves from the downed jet near #Turkey #Syria borders
Picture of the jet in flames crashing in Syria..
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash
Update to my previous comment.
It was not Syrian MiG-23 but Russian Su-24.
The Russians have confirmed the plane was there and they assert it never violated Turkey’s airspace.
Background Information: Two days ago Russia bombed Turkmen villages near the border with Turkey in Northern Syria. Turkey summoned the Russian foreign minsiter and demanded an immediate hault to Russian air operations in Northern SYRIA or they would face “serious consequences”.
http://atimes.com/…/turkey-gets-toehold-on-syrian…/
As a side note, Russia claimed to have bombed Nursa in this raid. Turkey said there was no Nursa presence there only to be contradicted by Nursa themselves.
https://www.reddit.com/…/turkey_claims_there_isnt…/
Conclusion: Its entirely possible that Russia didn’t violate Turkey’s air space but the plane was shot down anyway and then the convenient lie issued by Turkey to enforce a de-facto No Fly Zone over Northern Syria where Nursa, Ahrah-Al-Sham and their “moderate” FSA allies can be safe from bombing.
Obama, leading from behind, may even be behind this planned downing of a Russian SU-24. It fits his style. Turkey takes all the risk.
What happens next I have no idea, but I’m literally shaking as I type this.
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-34908469
Turkey says its F-16 fighter jets shot down the Russian plane, but Russia says the plane was downed from the ground.
BBC reporters talking simply of “Diplomatic fireworks ahead”!
Somehow I don’t think Russia will be as patient with this and reserve judgement as they did over the airline. The military, who would have been tracking their planes closely, need to show very quickly that Turkey/NATO are lying here.
This plus Crimea it seems all so very connected with the intention to provoke, what is the intention?
Su-24 downed by Turkey.
It was in Syrian airspace.
Reports that the ejected Russian pilots were captured by Turkish terrorists..
We can see a full scale invasion here if they are not freed pronto….
Russian Ministry of Defense now tweeting that the jet only flew inside #Syria territory
4 days ago Turkey threatened ‘serious consequences’ if Russia didn’t stop bombing Turkmen villages in north Syria.
3 Russian journalists wounded in #Syria in an attack by anti-tank missile, 2 of them from Russia Today: Russian MoD
Iranian media report Russian MoD claim that Russian aircraft was over Syria for whole flight.
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/669068762251968512
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/669068043838996480
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/669067344111665152
2 pilots from downed warplane in #Syria near Turkish border seen parachuting to ground
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/669065737743564800
Said to show plane getting hit in #Syria. Reportedly the same one that crashed near Turkish border
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/669063002273001472
https://t.co/iXpAyryaN9
VIDEO: Footage of Russian pilots parachuting after being shot down by the Turkish military – @anadoluajansi
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/669082629942194176
Well the plane I posted about was a Russian SU-24 according to RT.The Turks claim they shot it down.The Russians say (right now) they think it was shot down from the ground.The pilots ejected,but they are unaccounted for right now.Either the Turks are lying.Or the Russians don’t want to be forced to confront Turkey for the shoot down.If that is true that is a very bad move.You never let a country shoot your planes down without payback. You will lose the loyalty of your military that way.And the enemy will lose total respect (and fear) for you.
The Russian pilot seems to be badly injured.. They better hope he does not die..
https://twitter.com/Paradoxy13/status/669095577410514945
Area where Russian plane was downed by Turkey (23 Nov 2015)
http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/archives/581
The map shows the SU24 far from the Turkish border..
http://www.agathocledesyracuse.com/archives/581
Graphic video shows #Syria rebels with a dead jet pilot, almost certainly a Russian judging by clothing & equipment:
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/669095688907702272
Russian plane downed over Syria by Turkey. Proof positive that NATO’s provocations have no limits. Looming hot war with Russia, now a major step closer….
These are allegedly the pilots, dead one on the left
The Russian pilot that died in the shooting down of his plane this morning. Either died on impact or beheading. Alexander Akhmadulin, who is said to be the dead pilot of the downed Su-24. God bless his soul in the fight against evil..
https://twitter.com/agitpapa/status/669112683355095040
https://twitter.com/agitpapa/status/669092729838821376
https://twitter.com/TorahLectures/status/669109561362661377
Russia has just released satellite pictures showing the Russian plane to be inside Syrian air space.
https://twitter.com/TorahLectures/status/669112325169876992
WOOWWWXAAAA!! They can see the plane from space flying over Syria? That new satellite they launched last week must have some high resolution optics..
It also shows a Turkish plane shooting from inside Turkey, at the Russian plane on the Syrian side of the border.
Unless someone can demonstrate the the image was altered in some way, this would seem to be definitive proof of Russian claims, and of Turkish lies.
FAKE PICTURE Posted by parody news site.. Never knew such a thing was allowed but I suppose it is.. Remember, in the US there are no news outlets only entertainment outlet according to the law..
Latest news is a video showing what is claimed to be a dead pilot.Surrounded by a mob of screaming jihadis.Saying they should have burned him.Its assumed they killed him.That area doesn’t have ISIS.Those are the US’s “moderates”
https://www.rt.com/news/323237-video-dead-russian-pilot/
Russian President equates Turkey with terrorist accomplices. Criminal, state-sponsored terrorism, in other words. The fallout from this crisis will be only the beginning of events now rapidly spinning out of ‘control’.
“Putin: Downing of Russian jet over Syria stab in the back by terrorist accomplices”
https://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/
According to this video, some elements leads to think that “French Government Knew A Terrorist Attack Would Happen In Paris” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjAlbxk20fA
Other worthy facts are discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6jCGJHsE6U
And some weird stuff – but in french – here :
“… Une petite dizaine de personnes a débarqué, mercredi soir peu après 22 heures, au domicile de la mère d’Hasna Aït Boulahcen, à Aulnay-sous-Bois (Seine-Saint-Denis). Ils étaient au volant de trois voitures immatriculées en Belgique.
Le groupe aurait effectué un possible “nettoyage” de l’appartement situé rue Edgar Degas à Aulnay-sous-Bois, où séjournait régulièrement la jeune femme, tuée quelques heures plus tôt dans l’assaut mené à Saint-Denis. A 22 heures, mercredi, la police n’avait pas encore perquisitionné au domicile de la mère d’Hasna Aït Boulahcen. La perquisition de la police n’a eu lieu que jeudi après-midi.”
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/terrorisme/attaques-du-13-novembre-a-paris/enquete-sur-les-attentats-de-paris/aulnay-sous-bois-une-mysterieuse-equipe-venue-de-belgique-aurait-nettoye-l-appartement-d-hasna-ait-boulahcen-avant-la-police_1185063.html
This article talks about a small group of 10 people who came from Belgium with 3 cars and “cleaned up” one of suspect’s flat PRIOR to the police.
Once again, there’s no visible link.
Please check South Front site if you can’t view here. Thanks.
http://southfront.org/