@ T1 As I do not know if your previous thread is still live I want to repeat my answer on Tibet here.
…. Tibet 1/2
Larchmonter has given you the view that is promoted by the Chinese Government. To balance that I would like to add the view of the numerous Tibet-support organizations in the world (I’ve been an member in such an organization for 4 years where I was responsible for the news bulletin).
Tibet was a country with a population, language, culture and religion that was completely different from China and which during the last centuries had set itself a national priority of using meditation and Buddhism to better understand some inner forces of men. They were militarily mostly disinterested, threatened nobody and got invaded by China in 1950.
Since 1950 there was continuous repression by the Chinese because the Tibetans (and not only the monks) wanted to continue practicing their way of life. The idea that China “liberated” Tibet out of humanitarian concerns is naive (to express it politely) and doubly so for those who are familiar with the very self-centered Chinese tradition.
The repression has increased over the last years mainly because the Tibetans insist on keeping their tradition and because China has built a railway to Lhassa that brings ~3000 Han colonists/day to Tibet (the Tibetans are by now a minority in their own country)
Repression takes the following forms: – over 90% of the monasteries in Tibet have been closed or destroyed, the remaining ones house more police than monks – the Tibetan language is eliminated from all schools and private Tibetan schools who want to preserve it are closed. – an increasing number of Tibetan festivals (often linked to religions or to the seasons) have been forbidden – the Tibetan patriots who want to preserve their language, religion or culture are either shot or jailed+tortured+released as human wrecks – torture in the jails is systematic – I’ve seen the torture rehabilitation expenses in the accounts of our pro-Tibet organisation myself and I could even quote the names of the tortures used (tiger-bench etc) – fugitives that want to leave Tibet over the Himalayas are shot at by the Chinese forces, and if they manage to survive and reach Nepal they are forcibly repatriated to Tibet.
My conclusion: My personal conclusion (and that of most people who had contacts with Tibetans or Tibet-support orgs) is that the invasion of Tibet was a landgrab of huge proportions: ~40% of the PRC area at that time – this does not show on modern maps because China quietly integrated large parts of Tibet into neighbouring Chinese provinces. And China also gained very strategic water resources and large mineral resources. And the invader is trying to justify his invasion by implying that it liberated Tibetans from an unbearable serfdom (since when has this been a reason for a conquest?) – but he neglects to mention that very many Tibetans (not monks) carry a picture of their religious leader either in an amulet or on their cellphones and that on religious holidays they often pray together for them. And they burn themselves to death (mostly but not only monks – and note that this is normally not allowed in Buddhism) to protest the Chinese policies (120+ by now). Unbearable serfdom?
Which side can you believe? The Tibet-support organisations exist in most industrial countries of the world (including even the Chinese state of Singapore). I’ve spent 4 years in this activity and I’ve met many people. I’ve been to international events. I’ve been to India and have talked to many Tibetan refugees there. I’ve been to Dharamsala (Tibetan government-in-exile). All the people I’ve met in the Tibet-support orgs were private citizens who spent their own time, money and energy to support a unique culture that they found worthwhile – no government shills among them. Many of those people have been to Tibet itself and all confirm the same repression stories. So if you really want to know you could contact a Tibet-support organisation and ask the people there personally. I’m myself following a very honest german site igfm-muenchen.de which has extensive archives but you need to read German for that – but I’m sure you can also find good US sites if you ask one of your Tibet-support orgs.
A last remark about the Dalai Lama and his CIA connections: The Dalai Lama is the religious ruler recognized by all Tibetans – and CIA+State Department/NED like that because they can embarrass China with their support. And you may have noticed that whenever a country tries to invite the Dalai Lama the country is either put under pressure or blackmailed by China – while the only country in the world that will resist this Chinese pressure is unfortunately the Empire of Lies. So the Dalai Lama is between a rock and a hard place: either he refuses the support of the US and then he will never again be allowed to speak in any country (except India) – or he quietly accepts the only help he can get for his people. I’m not a religious man but if I were in his place I would silently nod and accept …
Voilà T1 – now it’s your decision – and season’s greetings to you.
A note to US readers: Jury Nullification – a powerful but little known feature of jury trials.
In Europe jury trials are not the norm and I never thought much about them. But an article that I read a few days ago completely changed my mind. Here is the gist of it: „…Jury nullification occurs when a jury decides that a defendant shouldn’t go to jail, regardless of what the law says. The basic idea is the following: By nullifying a law, people who don’t coerce others stop the excesses of those who do. This is a very old practice and one that is explicitly recognized in US law.…“
I feel that this is an astonishing defense of the 99% against the excesses of the 1% and from the article I also understand that prosecutors try to avoid mentioning it.
@NotsSoFast; Since our nation, the US, is no longer a place governed by the rule of law I find it very difficult to believe utilizing existing law for purposes beneficial to public good is a viable option for change. Here in the land of the debt slave and home of the timid the powers who rule routinely ignore existing law and convention with impunity. Can you provide evidence where this has not been the case in recent memory. Sorry, comrade, nothing will trump the rampant disregard of law or precedence when there is a chance that elite interests will not be solely served. This applies across the board; domestically and internationally.
I think that’s bullsh*t that Germany needs to be on high alert because of Islamic terrorism…I think this is a United States false alarm that Merkel is frightening the public with…down down with Skull and Bones !!!
I actually think Islam has to be on high alert because of post-Christian terrorism….down down with Skull and Bones !!!
These things are all plotted and contrived behind dark closed doors. The world at large has to shake off this heavy yoke or continue its descent into the graveyard of civilization.
President of the Ukrainian Analytical Center Alexander Okhrimenko recently lamented the fact that “China is in no hurry to transfer money to Ukraine for future deliveries of grain.”
“In general, it is very profitable for Ukraine. If we now China has listed 5 billion. Dollars, could increase gold reserves.
But China clearly does not want to continue cooperation with Ukraine. In China, appreciate the stability and do not understand what the Maidan and how you can not abide by the Constitution and does not comply with the agreement.
Therefore, do not want to transfer money. They are afraid that simply Kiev not pay for a new loan, “- he concluded.
Doubt Beijing is easy to understand when you consider that the contract signed back in 2012, China, listing Kiev half a billion dollars for future deliveries of grain for 2014, the beginning of December was no more than a quarter of a specified amount.
So, most of all, instead of new loans, Ukraine faces a huge penalty.
Along with NotSoFast, I want to add my testimony to the story of China and Tibet. I wrote it in the comments thread of the China post just now: China openly and officially backs Russia
The Tibetan side of the story is not being told. We here understand well how people with experience in propaganda can so easily prevail in the accepted narrative when positioned against people with less experience. We think of the West in this regard, and we lament how poorly Russia does to equalize this battle. The same can be said for the poor Tibetans, who have less visibility in the world than the Palestinians, and whose heartfelt supporters are useless when it comes to telling lies.
NotSoFast : Thanks for posting a case for the Dalai Lama.
On Dalailama status in India- Colonial and Post colonial India has been quite good at killing most of the old institutions of Bharat that managed to survive wars of last millenium. India is not as brutal as China in this respect, However considering turmoil of Indian politics, some western support helps Dalai Lama in India. Good thing is, One expects, the Modi govt to treat the Dalai Lama well.
I was sad to read the following, thanks for posting it : ——————
over 90% of the monasteries in Tibet have been closed or destroyed, the remaining ones house more police than monks – the Tibetan language is eliminated from all schools and private Tibetan schools who want to preserve it are closed. – an increasing number of Tibetan festivals (often linked to religions or to the seasons) have been forbidden – the Tibetan patriots who want to preserve their language, religion or culture are either shot or jailed+tortured+released as human wrecks
“Before he had to flee, the young Dalai Lama had a number of meetings with the “Great Chairman” and was very impressed by him. As he shook Mao Zedong by the hand for the first time, the Kundun in his own words felt he was “in the presence of a strong magnetic force” (Craig, 1997, p. 178). Mao too felt the need to make a metaphysical assessment of the god-king: “The Dalai Lama is a god, not a man”, he said and then qualified this by adding, “In any case he is seen that way by the majority of the Tibetan population” (Tibetan Review, January 1995, p. 10). Mao chatted with the god-king about religion and politics a number of times and is supposed to have expressed varying and contradictory opinions during these conversations. On one occasion, religion was for him “opium for the people” in the classic Marxist sense, on another he saw in the historical Buddha a precursor of the idea of communism and declared the goddess Tara to be a “good woman”… The twenty-year-old hierarch from Tibet looked up to the fatherly revolutionary from China with admiration and even nurtured the wish to become a member of the Communist Party. He fell, as Mary Craig puts it, under the spell of the red Emperor. “I have heard chairman Mao talk on different matters”, the Kundun enthused in 1955, “and I received instructions from him. I have come to the firm conclusion that the brilliant prospects for the Chinese people as a whole are also the prospects for us Tibetan people; the path of our entire country is our path and no other”. Mao Zedong, who at that time was pursuing a gradualist politics, saw in the young Kundun a powerful instrument through which to familiarize the feudal and religious elites of the Land of Snows with his multi-ethnic communist state. In a 17-point program he had conceded the “ national regional autonomy [of Tibet] under the leadership of the Central People’s Government”, and assured that the “existing political system”, especially the “status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama”, would remain untouched”.
(Shadow of the Dalai Lama – Part II – 14. China’s metaphysical rivalry with Tibet) from:
Victor und Victoria Trimondi, THE SHADOW OF THE DALAI LAMA. Sexuality, Magic and Politics in Tibetan Buddhism. Translated by Mark Penny
In regard to the repression and dissolution of peoples and their cultures, it is important to keep in mind the apparent hard wiring of the naked male ape so bent on the prevalent patriarchal destruction of neighboring as well as distant tribes and societies in competition for the resources necessary for survival as well as the sexual slaves necessary for progeny. Apparently no religious teachings however deeply God given and inspired have been able to overcome not only the chest beating but the deeply felt need to despise and demolish all others seen as competitors for those non infinite resources necessary for all. And at the same time a definite lack of capacity to restrain breeding of new mouths in relation to available land, food and water. What a noble work is humankind. its dismal fate foretold from the beginning in its inability to control its inmost destructive urges. Now we are coming close to the end of its story. And the brilliant double helix analysis only guarantees the abysmal continuation of this by degrees farcical tragedy that will continue until all is utter nothingness. Perhaps God’s glory will continue with the continuing lifeless planet, a glowing and dying speck of ash continuing to rotate around an aging star in a vast and infinite universe full of such lessons.
Seems the propaganda people in the west were fed took as well as the pro-zionist, anti-communist, anti-Rusian-Chinese-Cuban_and all the other goebbelsian rightwing propaganda in support of western fascism and zio-fascism. With China now openly siding with Russia, we will see a lot more propaganda regarding China and Tibet, along with more western (mainly Israeli-American organised) terrorism against the people of China, using Tibet the way these freaks use Chechnya. It’s the same sort of duplicitous crap.
Some info not out of Langley or Tel Aviv to set the record straight here:
Dalai Lama Cult: Postmodern Neo-feudalism and the Decline of the West
“…The Tibetan monasteries were extremely hierarchical. The upper Lamas lived in opulent palaces, took children as sex slaves and lived off the labour of the lower lamas who, in turn, lived off the labour of the starving serfs. The punishment meted out to disobedient serfs included gouging out of eyes; evisceration; the severing of hands and legs and other more hideous forms of torture.
Professor Micheal Parenti writes:
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away. 3
This is not quite the idyllic paradise of Hollywood lore! Serfs often had to carry their owners on their backs. As a result, a large number of serfs were stooped and crippled. It would not be incorrect to say that before the arrival of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army in Tibet in 1951, the land of the Lamas was hell on earth. Over 70 percent of the population was comprised of poor illiterate serfs and nomads; they had absolutely no rights and no value…”
“…Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeated rape, beginning at age nine. 14 The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.
In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. 15 The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land–or the monastery’s land–without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand.16 Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. 17
As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.
One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports: “Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.”18 Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed.19
The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery….”
“Despite claims by the FBI that North Korea was behind the massive hack against Sony, several cybersecurity experts have come forward to raise questions about the allegation, with some suggesting that insiders at the company could be to blame.
One such expert, Kurt Stammberger from the Norse cybersecuirty firm, told CBS News that his team believes a woman identified only as “Lena” was heavily involved in the hack – not North Korea.
“We are very confident that this was not an attack master-minded by North Korea and that insiders were key to the implementation of one of the most devastating attacks in history,” he told the news outlet.
“Sony was not just hacked, this is a company that was essentially nuked from the inside,” Stammberger added.
Little is known about Lena, but Norse believes the woman is somehow linked with the hacking group behind the attack, known as the ‘Guardians of Peace.’ The firm also suspects the woman was a former employee of Sony who worked there for 10 years before leaving in May 2014.
According to Stammberger, Lena’s position in the company would have given her the access and knowledge needed to identify the servers that hackers ultimately stole troves of data from.
Stammberger didn’t completely rule out North Korea’s role in the cyber attack, but he told CBS that evidence pointing to the country could actually be a case of misdirection.
“There are certainly North Korean fingerprints on this but when we run all those leads to ground they turn out to be decoys or red herrings,” he said.”
It appears the Ami regime is working with the hackers and their blaming North Korea is part of a cover-up that was planned along with the hack. Question is why attack Sony?
@ Ann “I think that’s bullsh*t that Germany needs to be on high alert because of Islamic terrorism…I think this is a United States false alarm that Merkel is frightening the public with…down down with Skull and Bones !!!”
This is exactly my thought. Season’s greetings to you Ann
Regarding Tibet, culture wise, it is very close to Mongolia. As you may know Mongolia was part of China for more than 1000 years until Mao’s stupidty.
I am from a province that is next to Tibet, and has a very sizable Tibet population. I went the deep of the area over 30 years ago, I was surprise how much they were like us.Yes, they are difference, they are much more of Buddhist than Han (similar to Mongolian). But my province is pretty much saturated with difference minorities who typically live in to remote places. If they were in the big cities, one can not tell much difference. But I think some of them like to dress up to sell their wares (the authentic treasures of mountain from Tibet) just to attract customers.
I did spoke with a child who was taking care of some goat by the road, I asked him where were his teacher come from, he told me they were from capital city. I was hoping the teacher were local. But it was early 80s, China just started college entrance exam. Not many qualified people locally then. I know for a fact, every college set aside certain number for people from certain minorities, and the test score a lot lower from those area as well. They encourage people go to college, and return home.
Many years later, I ask a colleague of mine who was from Inner Mongolia, if he was taught his language, he said, yes. It was taught in school. One can assume same with Tibetans.
If you know Chinese history, you will know that there were many different nationalities exist through out history, but now only a few left. It is not because Chinese killed them all, or exile them all, it is they became part of us. Mongolia, Jin, Qing had conquered China, We did not become Mongolian, Jin, or Qing, but they take up Confucius learning, and become part of us.
Yes, you may still able to visit Tibetan museum to see the bowls made of human skulls at the time Dalai Lama keep Tibetan people enslaved. He may looked lovely, but he is far from such.
You perfectly exemplify the Orwellian values of the “democratic” West, or Free World as you all love to call yourselves.
The Tibetan “side of the story” has been aggressively propagandized around the world from Hollywood to the mainstream media like CNN and NY Times.
This includes the backing of media idols like Richard Gere, Brad Pitt (“7 Years in Tibet”), Martin Scorsese (“Kundun”), Sharon Stone, Madonna, the Beastie Boys, etc–not to mention covert sponsorship by Anglo American and European regimes.
Moreover, the phony Free Tibet movement is populated, backed, funded, and supported by the greatest criminals on the planet: the Anglo Americans and Europeans.
In particular, the USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand all currently occupy Native Indian, Hawaiian, Chicano, Aboriginal, or Maori nations within their own borders.
This is not to mention captive nations like the Basque nation (occupied by Spain) or Northern Ireland (occupied by England) in Europe.
These are the same Western war criminal nations that attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria—slaughtering millions of people under the guise of promoting freedom and human rights.
Incidentally, India is also backing and hosting the self-styled Tibetan Regime in Exile in Dharamsala—as a kind of cynical geopolitical weapon against China.
Yet this is the same India that is fighting brutal colonial wars against nations like Kashmir, Nagaland, Bodoland, or Assam–all of which have decades-long independence struggles against Indian occupation and rule, which you strangely don’t hear about.
This is the same India that is currently ruled by the Hindu fundamentalist, Narendra Modi, who has been exposed for his role in India’s infamous Gujarat Genocide in 2002, where thousands of Muslims were murdered by Hindu mobs with covert government support.
By the way, before you knock those teachers from cities, Tibet mountains are not exact easily accessible place, and climate is very hush. You can tell people from the area just by looking at their face. Some of teachers had to go on horseback to visit their students. It takes a lot dedication to teach there.
When we was in college, go to work in remote places such as Tibet was same as do gooders in west want to go to help people in remote places. Of cause, only the west can do anything good. The rest of world does not count.
Why has so much journalism succumbed to propaganda? Why are censorship and distortion standard practice? Why is the BBC so often a mouthpiece of rapacious power? Why do the New York Times and the Washington Post deceive their readers?
The most effective propaganda is found not in the Sun or on Fox News – but beneath a liberal halo. When the New York Times published claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, its fake evidence was believed, because it wasn’t Fox News; it was the New York Times.
The same is true of the Washington Post and the Guardian, both of which have played a critical role in conditioning their readers to accept a new and dangerous cold war. All three liberal newspapers have misrepresented events in Ukraine as a malign act by Russia – when, in fact, the fascist led coup in Ukraine was the work of the United States, aided by Germany and Nato.
It’s not a secret the Dalai Lama himself has been funded and backed by the American CIA for decades–the same American CIA that engages in crimes like torture, drug running, assassination, and other state terrorism.
I wonder what His Holiness thinks of “rectal feeding” and “water boarding” practiced by his decades-long sponsor and friend, the CIA?
It’s also not a secret that His Holiness comes from the feudal theocracy that ruled Tibet before the Chinese revolution.
Even Americans like Michael Parenti has somewhat questioned the Shangri-La myth of Tibet, which the morally vacuous Western middle classes cling to as an escape from their own materialistic societies.
And despite his supposed peaceful and benevolent persona, His Holiness certainly has some interesting friends, such as Heinrich Harrer (member of the Nazi SS), as well as other European fascists.
The bottom line is this: the West wants to destabilize, weaken, and preferably balkanize China using the Tibet Card, among others.
This is the Machiavellian divide-and-conquer tactics the European Americans have perfected to a chilling science since the Roman Empire to the Euro-American Empire today.
The so-called Free Tibet movement is merely one more weapon that they use.
And it exemplifies how European/Americans instinctively manipulate the greatest of lies—like claiming to support freedom, democracy, and minority rights in other countries as a cover for their more predatory appetites.
It’s also interesting that the Western manipulation of Tibet to expand its penetration into China is a policy that goes back to the early 20th century such as the case of Germany.
As noted in the “Strategies of Attrition” articles cited here, this includes the Nazi Third Reich, which established connections with the Tibetan theocrats before and during WWII, with detachments of Nazi SS officer visiting Tibet under the patronage of Heinrich Himmler as part of a broader geopolitical plan:
“German plans for Tibet became topical for the last time, during the Nazi rule. in 1942. Impressed by the Wehrmacht’s advance on Soviet territory, Himmler ordered the “total exploration of the Central Asian vital living space (“Lebensraum”)”.[11] When, in the summer of 1942, Japanese troops advanced into the region bordering Tibet, they encountered a German ally in Lhasa – the Dalai Lama. The god-king’s camarilla was hoping to disengage itself from Chinese, Soviet Russian and British influence and to eternalize the Tibetan feudal dictatorship. The goal was to create a “Pan-Mongolian Federation” – under the leadership of the Third Reich and Japan.”
As the 1938/39 German expedition to Tibet which first established relations between Berlin and Llasa described it, this was a “meeting of the western and eastern swastika.”
Given the Dalai Lama’s own close friendship with Nazi SS officers like Heinrich Harrer, this description is very revealing.
Indeed, the entire Free Tibet campaign, which spans decades, has got to be one of the greatest propaganda operations launched by America and the West, at least with regards to China.
It is right up there with Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, the bogus War on Terrorism, and Western “freedom and democracy” itself.
This campaign has been dutifully swallowed by most of the citizens of the Free World and West in particular, including so-called “alterative media” in the Anglo-American Empire.
The Dalai Lama is the recognized leader of all Tibetans? What about the Dorje Shugden. Why has the Dalai Lama tried to ban it? As a person in charge of disseminating info for the Tibetan exile community, it is surprising you are unaware of the Dorje Shugden debate – but due to your busy schedule, of course, you may have overlooked it. Google Dorje Shugden – a lot of info about anti-Lama protests.
None may be perfect, however declarations that Dalai Lama is about slavery, Putin as Hitler – are hints that somewhere unfortunate things happened.
The demonization of people – classified by serfs/masters as per marxist doctrine, with due references to bondage, slavery, uncivilized, abducting women- is a bad thing to suffer.
In a different twist, The Dalai Lama provides a powerful description, more powerful than than the ways to look things in terms of history of serfs/masters/revolutions etc. It is possible, He is still in game to win over the Chinese – by gesture of peace and ideals of life, in his death, if not in life . Your thoughts ? Happy new year.
Basically defense of the Anglo-zionist propaganda promoted by NotSoEast, only applied using a different technique. While effective in the past, that sort of mutual support spamming is no longer convincing. You guys need a new game plan, you’ve overplayed that one too much.
@ NotSoFast – I don’t know if you’ve read any of the rebuttal to your comments but if so I thought you could use a friendly word by now ;)
I appreciate that you’ve spoken out of your personal experience. I’ve spoken out of mine. I will be very sad if someone should think I’m supporting some kind of propaganda activity.
I’ve relied on Michael Parenti for a great deal of truth. His take on Tibet shocks me, not about him but about Tibet. In my own comments on the other thread, the China one, I told how the monastic culture of Tibet in the last few centuries became deeply corrupt and how the Rime movement arose, afraid that the Dharma itself would die out and disappear. Many great masters fled from Tibet after the invasion, and they undertook the deadly exodus across the Himalayas not because they were afraid to die or because they wanted to leave their people but in order to save the Dharma, the teachings of the Buddha. These came to the West.
The survival of the Dharma may still be in doubt in this world, although I have also heard that Buddhism is growing in the world. So I don’t know. I do know that the Dharma was planted and nurtured to take root on the rock of America, among other places, by the very best of Tibet. My encounter with Tibet has been with its very best.
I realize that Zen Buddhism came first, by the way, it’s not my purpose to exclude Japan’s (and China’s) great contribution. I speak only as one grateful to have heard the Dharma, thanks to the kindness of Tibetans.
Everything has two sides. I cannot believe that any good thing could arise in this world that the CIA would not try to infiltrate and co-opt for its own purposes. And certainly all the supposedly good institutions of the west have been revealed over time – quite recently to many people – to have dubious connections at the very least. Some are used as unwitting cover for black ops. Entire libraries of books and papers now seem to have been written on commission as psy-ops. In such a polluted environment, the only thing we know is that we have to be enormously careful to sift the strands of truth out of the weeds.
So I think to draw a black and white picture of the Tibetan situation in a way that makes the Chinese out purely as “liberators” and concerned only to defeat aggression and subversion from the west, is to draw a picture that is half wrong.
We have spent enormous effort in these threads coming to understand the treachery of the west and to learn who we now regard as the good guys. This process I suspect for many has just in this year shattered a number of lifetime beliefs, working assumptions and cultural identities. I hope we can take the same approach to picking through the evidence and hard conclusions we hold about China, Tibet, The Dalai Lama and the CIA, and come to a better understanding of the many sides of all of these things.
Is Ukraine really on the brink of war with Russia? Strelkov says so in his recent interview. What about the NATO troops seen near Donetsk? There are a lot of ominous signs that war may be imminent. For frankly unnerving details see
@ anon 15:19 “What about the Dorje Shugden. Why has the Dalai Lama tried to ban it? “
I am not a religious man myself and I’m not very interested in ideological or religious discussions – I tend to prefer practical and direct experience. And so I know that in practice many Tibetans (even today) carry amulets or pictures of their religious leaders (typically the Dalai Lama or the Karmapa). But if their leaders have a religious difference of opinion (Dorje Shugden) I’ve never heard about it in my 4 years.
@ вот так “Basically defense of the Anglo-zionist propaganda promoted by NotSoEast, only applied using a different technique. While effective in the past, that sort of mutual support spamming is no longer convincing. You guys need a new game plan, you’ve overplayed that one too much.”
You obviously have not the slightest doubt about your own deductions and so you have come to the splendid conclusion that I am an AZ troll – hehehe I live and learn every day even about myself :-)))
вот так has a history in this and other blogs of vilifying the author of any post he disagrees with as Zionist troll, using obscure Hebrew epithets. It’s best to ignore him, like Cold N. Holdfield on M-O-A. I suspect he’s an agent provocateur of some kind, at least that’s the effect.
It’s well to change your handle, if he comes after you more than once.
“You obviously have not the slightest doubt about your own deductions and so you have come to the splendid conclusion that I am an AZ troll – hehehe I live and learn every day even about myself :-)))”
I wasn’t the only who saw through your lame act, interesting you singled me out. :D You could have attempted to refute the material I posted, but instead went the snarky (IE: childish) route. That means you realise you have no adequate response.
That you took AZ propaganda about Tibet and made it yours by claiming it as “personal expertise” or some such rubbish, pretty much confirms what you are. This is standard AZ trolling practice one finds all over the web, where the comment writer posts the AZ propaganda as their “own material” and claims expertise in the subject in order to give it weight and deter counter arguments and evidence being posted. The follow-up is usually co-workers posting agreement to add weight to the propaganda, none of whom, like you, have the slightest clue of the subject they are writing about. I’ve seen you lot use this web spamming technique 1000s of times now. As I wrote, you people need some new tricks.
“вот так has a history in this and other blogs of vilifying the author of any post he disagrees with as Zionist troll, using obscure Hebrew epithets. It’s best to ignore him, like Cold N. Holdfield on M-O-A. I suspect he’s an agent provocateur of some kind, at least that’s the effect.”
One of my web stalkers. :D Why don’t you use the name you use at MOA or notthetalk.com? Embarrassed?
@ Anonymous at 19:58 – if we’re coming down to ad hominem attacks, I want to offer that in my experience BOT TAK has almost always made comments that I found useful and informative. Importantly, he doesn’t make “Anonymous” comments – nothing is worse than those.
I have hopes of coming to a consensus, over the long term, with BOT TAK and others about the most probable case for Tibet and China. This will take time. It will take people being polite to each other and considerate of their genuine viewpoints. It will take some research, certainly on my part. It will take comments under a nickname of some kind so everyone can know who they’re talking to. I have hopes of all this.
“@ Anonymous at 19:58 – if we’re coming down to ad hominem attacks, I want to offer that in my experience BOT TAK has almost always made comments that I found useful and informative. Importantly, he doesn’t make “Anonymous” comments – nothing is worse than those.
I have hopes of coming to a consensus, over the long term, with BOT TAK and others about the most probable case for Tibet and China. This will take time. It will take people being polite to each other and considerate of their genuine viewpoints. It will take some research, certainly on my part. It will take comments under a nickname of some kind so everyone can know who they’re talking to. I have hopes of all this.”
I apologise for posting the video above. About Tibet and China, though, I think it there is not much any of us can affect, or have any right to affect. By “us” meaning people outside Tibet and China. The people there will work out their lives irregardless of outside meddlers. And I believe they pretty much have done this already. Outsiders, both the ZPC/NWO Dalai Lama geopolitical quisling types and people genuinely thinking their interference is doing good, only bring more trouble and make things worse.
Regarding Tibetan Buddhism, I think it is Buddhism corrupted as applied. Much in the same manner Catholicism deeply corrupted Christianity, and similarly, to achieve pretty much identical goals. In other words, the use of religion to get people to accept a hierarchical societal order in which they become willing powerless pawns of others who are complete parasites in every way possible. Buddhism is not a political way, it transcends such things. Using Buddhism to enforce a political order is antithetical to Buddhism, though that never stopped it being done by the less than ethical.
Like many religious idols promoted by America and Europe, the Dalai Lama is a false idol, replete with Madison Avenue/Hollywood-style branding techniques.
Recently, a new book has been published by the Western Shugden Society, a Buddhist sect that the Dalai Lama has tried to ban and repress, which lays bare the dark side of His Holiness that most European-Amercians simply don’t have the honesty or courage to face.
European/Americans simply cannot bring themselves to question the Free Tibet lie and His Holiness himself, as this would represent one more of their false idols shattered.
God forbid that even greater lies–like the civilizational deception called Western liberal demoracy–could also be shattered as well. ;-)
Euro-Americans are essentially a people based upon deception–foremost, that their “civilization” represent the apex of human freedom– religious, political, or otherwise.
This self-serving conceit is one that defines the Western mindset as a foundational tenet of Euro-American nations and so-called Western “civilization.”
Most notable is the United States of America, and its religious-like delusion that the USA is a Land of the Free and Beacon of Liberty.
What the Dalai Lama was originally, when he fled the Chinese invasion of sovereign Tibet, and what he has become under the pressures of his difficult position, are two different things. It is not his fault he had to turn to the West, and to whatever agencies were willing to assist him, such as the Nationa Endowment for Democracy. Had China not launched its brutal and murderous invasion, the Dalai Lama would remain an integrated and revered Buddhist leader at the Potala, rather than a Westernized public figure.
I urge you to read Heinrich Harrer’s “Seven Years in Tibet”. This is among the very few frank first-hand histories of the Chinese invasion of Tibet and of the Dalai Lama’s challenge at the time. Don’t mistake this for the shallow Hollywood movie rendition. Heinrich Harrer was an acclaimed mountaineer, which was why he was one of the rare Westerners who happened to be in Tibet at that time. His book is a thorough study. I also recommend the Dalai Lama’s autobiography, which explains the challenges he faced as a young man trying to reach agreements with the tricky and dishonest Chinese government.
If you’re going to criticize the Dalai Lama today, you must take into account which country forced him into his present unsought and awkward position.
Incidentally, whether a person comments anonymously has nothing to do with their personal integrity. Judgment of comments should be based on content alone.
@ Anonymous at 18:00 – I made the comment about Anonymous comments being “the worst” so let me make one final comment in this thread to explain.
I agree that being anon has no bearing on the intrinsic value of any comment. But there is an extrinsic value also to every comment in any discussion thread, on any blog or news source.
1. There is a general shortage of time, and we process vast amounts of information thanks to the Internet. So when we can identify a comment by its author we have already begun to assign value. This is good, and useful.
2. Nothing can be said in just one comment – you must know this, we all know this. When we give an identity to our comments they begin to cohere into a point of view. So as we identify the source of the comment (see point #1 above), we also know we’re trying to understand a complete universe of perspective from that commenter.
Over time, mature comment threads with known and well recognized commenters increase their value in the manner and to the degree of the network effect.
My frustration with anon comments is not that they have no value but that they don’t accrue value. I may not even read you if I’m in a hurry, but having read you and found your comment to be of great value, I would love to be able to recognize you again, and offer my contribution to your perspective. And over time, a real discussion would occur.
To eliminate this potential by declining to identify your comment is a sad thing. I was taught long ago to sign my name to anything I offer to be read. As you can see, my privacy is untouched by choosing a nickname (you don’t have to enter a URL, just choose a name) – but you can know at a glance if you want to read my point of view or not. If anyone doesn’t want to read something I offer for consideration, honestly I am delighted to be able to save them time. It’s a courtesy. Think about it.
Anonymous, 1800, the Dalai has been a CIA asset since the 1950s. The NED came decades later. The USA was training Tibetan terrorists in Colorado in the 1950s. Heinrich Harrer was a Nazi who influence the young Dalai more than a little.
Heinrich Harrer was a Nazi SS officer, a minor little issue that many devotees of the Dalai Lama, conveniently obscure. Harrer’s book and perspectives are a product of the Nazis’ occult fascination with Tibetan Buddhism Tantrism.
These connections between Nazi/fascism and Tibetan Buddhism are an embarrassing issue that many “Free Tibet” crusaders attempt to spin-doctor away, rationalize, or angrily deny.
Moreover, His Holiness is what he has always been: a religious theocrat with ambitions to reclaim the privileges and power of the Tibetan Lamaist caste—albeit under a “democratic” veneer.
The fact that he embraces American terrorist institutions like the CIA (or its proxies like the NED) reveal much about his true values, just as his life-long connection with Harrer or other Western fascists–including his defense of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet.
Moreover, your narrative about a Chinese “brutal and murderous invasion” of Tibet is another propaganda meme promoted by Europeans and Americans.
This invasion meme exemplifies precisely the type of shallow and superficial history that Hollywood peddles as it panders to West’s deep-seated Sinophobia and anti-Chinese prejudices.
Firstly, Tibet has historically been part of China since at least the 13th century, when it was annexed by the Mongols to China. Indeed, since the 17th century, each successive Dalai Lama received his official seal from the Chinese emperor. Even after the British Empire invaded Tibet in the 19th century and the 13th Dalai Lama unilaterally declared independence, it was not recognized by others nation, not even the US, which still recognized Tibet as part of China until the 1949 Communist revolution.
To say “China invaded Tibet” is based upon a fundamental lie: that they were separate countries.
Indeed, many Free Tibet cheerleaders neglect to mention that the Tibetan ruling elites, or Kashag, originally signed a 17-point agreement in 1951 with the new Communist government of China for Tibet *to be a part of China* in exchange for the Kashag being allowed to retain their feudal practices, local political rule, and privileged status. In fact, the 13th Dalai Lama even agreed to become Vice President of the Chinese parliament in this agreement!
It was only when radical land reform policies were implemented later in the 1950s that challenged the privileged status of the Tibetan landlord class and other feudal elites that the insurrection began—led by these very same Tibetan feudal elites who wanted to maintain the existing order.
This is specific context of this so-called “Chinese invasion” that the West and Free Tibet suppress: the overthrow of feudal land ownership and property rights in the 1950s.
Indeed, this is the real “crime” that the Communists of China committed from the perspective of the West and the Lamaist elites—daring to challenge the sanctity of their “holiest of holies”: private property.
detailed article ,Kiev General agreeing presence of Rus Peacekeeping force in ATO zone,possibly from 28 Dec, joint patrols etc etc details of ceasefire violations-uncertain numbers may cause “alarm” “Here is what the meaning of these negotiations was: joint patrols of the “contact zones” on the border between LPR, DPR and Ukraine will begin on December 28 – along with Ukrainian and Novorossian military it will be patrolled by the Russian peacekeepers. Actually, Russia, thereby will put the world before the fact of its presence in the unrecognized republics – and, interestingly, and unexpectedly, the OSCE endorses it.”
Developments slagged off by private sector etc-awaiting USA/NATO response – EU has apparently endorsed Poroshenko decision(was he told to do this in no uncertain terms by his military, or realises all his bluffs have been called,danger of right sector, private militias and Donbass miners marching on Kiev too much? Not sure who “initiated” it-I remember posting earlier among others re Generals meeting, hopefully responsible military on both sides will continue to improve the ceasefire. But if rogue elements create trouble, what happens then/ Rus responds with ? Poroshenko could be deposed by Yats? etc or Ukrainians realise they have been beaten by the cold and won’t support further military ATO in a near broken economy?
“December 27. /TASS/. Russia has taken a decision to supply 500,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine per month for solving its energy problems, Russian Vice-Premier Dmitry Kozak said on Saturday.” rus needs to also keep its peacekeepers warm perhaps?–! Rus will also supply some electricity to ukraine , and is hopeful coal can also get through to Crimea-“trusting” Kiev will reciprocate good will.
http://novorossia.today/?p=10724 but Ukr forces appear to be breaking ceasefire this morning, some responses from AFNR though…………I urge people to read http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/133001 to clarify what is happening. , December 27 (Sputnik) — The Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DPR) envoy at the Minsk peace talks Denis Pushilin said that during the recent negotiations, a certain progress was achieved on the issue of Donbas economic blockade, but the relevant documents were not signed.Kiev is slow to respond ……….as usual, trying to delay reality? but anything politically further on Minsk put on long term hold? Kiev is ceasing all rail links to Crimea-permanent separation….Mastercard shuts down because of sanctions-is this preparation to “accept” Crimea has “seceded”?Or mostly still sanctions revenge? USA still putting on max pressure where it can but EU may revise their sanctions soonish? QHA) – Nine Crimean Tatars, whose names are unknown, were conferred with medals “For returning of Crimea”. The solemn ceremony took place in Simferopol, Dec 24, in the residence of Russian Presidential Envoy in Crimea. Other Tatars still opposing secession. (QHA) – Crimean Parliament made a decision to create a commission on restoring of rights of the rehabilitated victims of political repression. re documentation, pensions increases, public utilities discounts. (QHA) – Crimean Parliament made a decision to create a commission on restoring of rights of the rehabilitated victims of political repression.
I would recommend very much for members of our community to look into the twitters of Brzezinski. He refers to very revealing articles from himself and fellow travelers. One cannot know enough about the opponent!
It gives a great inside look into the view of the US deep state. Of course he is not the only voice there – I think also there he will be perceived as rather ancient, but has the ear of Obama and Clinton.
I personally like to read his intelligent articles, he does know how to hide lies and omissions.
Finally also reading his chessboard book, an interesting complement to Orwell 1984. The book is available as free PDF at:
MOSCOW, December 27 (Sputnik) — Secretary of Ukraine’s Security and Defense Council Oleksandr Turchynov said on Friday that the introduction of martial law cannot be excluded if negotiations to find a peaceful settlement to the Ukrainian conflict fail. https://www.youtube.com/user/DNRILNR3-recent videos here re Donbass Rus decides to cut oil production. (QHA) – The Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believes that the transition to payments in dollars between Russia and Belarus, which was previously agreed between two countries, will not be effective-depletes Belarus foreign reserves, currency losing against dollar.Bel. had wanted to use dollars though for trade with Rus. USA very unhappy Radio Liberty/RFE raided/closed by Azerbaijani govt —crack down on NGO’s??(remember recently Rus and A signed agreement ), more Rus could do here, USA claims “free press” must be preserved-raid on reason to check out tax evasion.Obama blocks skype/google to Crimea-freedom of the press double talk here?
Rus strengthens Caucasus(eg militray supplies since 2010 to Azerb. but Armenia violates Azerb ceasefire every day:re-CSTO, united airforce etc, would be great to have a sitrep on Caucausus region!Armenia plays to both Eu and Eurasia….it seems, like Turkey?? Pro-Kyiv volunteer battalions are increasingly blocking humanitarian aid into eastern Ukraine in a move which will exacerbate a pending humanitarian crisis in the run up to Christmas and New Year, said Amnesty International. Over 100 descendants of the Russian nobility residing outside the country have addressed European nations with a call to stop irrationally alienating Russia and give an unbiased appraisal to the current Ukrainian crisis.
Hope that is ok to submit 3 blogs-not wishing to hog blogosphere….seasons greetings from Uk
I came upon an interesting statement from one of the commenters.
He claimed that Russia under maritime law could not build a bridge + infrastructure from Kerch, because it would be in Ukrainian waters.
Another commenter (´gimmeshoes´) stated that Putin does not care about law, but I know better by now.
This is what I answered:
´If Gimmeshoes is right (things like that go to a maritime court and can take years) Putin will not build a bridge.
Yet.
Right now all signals from Ukraine indicate a very agressive stance. In the prisoner exchange Kiev cheated again, and only 55 of the 220 prisoners were non civilians.
Novorossiya will not attack Ukraine; so much influence does Putin still have over there. If Ukraine starts another large scale offensive however, there will be a battle.
Ukraine can never win this, and the sea of Azov will cease to be Ukrainian waters.
So you are right: Putin will respect international law, but it is likely that facts on the ground will change borders, and the sea of Azov will be Novorossiyan/ Russian.´
1) Under the current situation, does Russia legally have to ask permission from Ukraine to build it?
2) If, or when the territory of Novorossiya is attacked and a counteroffensive will liberate at least everything adjacent to the sea of Azov; it does legally require recognition of the Novorossiyan republic by Russia, right?
3) Does recognition of such republic, even if no other country goes along, implicate fixing the border according to the situation on the ground for that moment?
This, because I did, do, and will believe the only realistic outcome is an independent Novorossiya, from Kharkov, the Dnjepr to Transdnjestria.
Dnjepropetrovsk is crucial: after ´therapy´ to eradicate the Kolomoiski cancer, the vacuum needs to be filled.
Another question, not related. This winter, in Novorossia, it is just about having food and staying warm. Survival. Support. Only that is already winning!
But since this war is not over at all, what are their plans for the short term? And the coming few years?
About Ukraine taking an aggressive stance, there is reason to believe this is the calm before the storm. Turchynov threatens martial law, the Polish government is evacuating Poles from Novorossiya (why now, all of a sudden?), Russian peace-keeping troops are due to arrive, NATO forces were seen a few days ago in Donbass, Kiev is about to draft 50,000 conscripts, and so on. A lot of details can be found at
http://www.infowars.com/foreign-bankers-rape-ukraine/
FOREIGN BANKERS RAPE UKRAINE
Rape of an entire country is murder
by F. William Engdahl
An article of note.
pcz
@ T1
As I do not know if your previous thread is still live I want to repeat my answer on Tibet here.
…. Tibet 1/2
Larchmonter has given you the view that is promoted by the Chinese Government. To balance that I would like to add the view of the numerous Tibet-support organizations in the world (I’ve been an member in such an organization for 4 years where I was responsible for the news bulletin).
Tibet was a country with a population, language, culture and religion that was completely different from China and which during the last centuries had set itself a national priority of using meditation and Buddhism to better understand some inner forces of men. They were militarily mostly disinterested, threatened nobody and got invaded by China in 1950.
Since 1950 there was continuous repression by the Chinese because the Tibetans (and not only the monks) wanted to continue practicing their way of life. The idea that China “liberated” Tibet out of humanitarian concerns is naive (to express it politely) and doubly so for those who are familiar with the very self-centered Chinese tradition.
The repression has increased over the last years mainly because the Tibetans insist on keeping their tradition and because China has built a railway to Lhassa that brings ~3000 Han colonists/day to Tibet (the Tibetans are by now a minority in their own country)
Repression takes the following forms:
– over 90% of the monasteries in Tibet have been closed or destroyed, the remaining ones house more police than monks
– the Tibetan language is eliminated from all schools and private Tibetan schools who want to preserve it are closed.
– an increasing number of Tibetan festivals (often linked to religions or to the seasons) have been forbidden
– the Tibetan patriots who want to preserve their language, religion or culture are either shot or jailed+tortured+released as human wrecks
– torture in the jails is systematic – I’ve seen the torture rehabilitation expenses in the accounts of our pro-Tibet organisation myself and I could even quote the names of the tortures used (tiger-bench etc)
– fugitives that want to leave Tibet over the Himalayas are shot at by the Chinese forces, and if they manage to survive and reach Nepal they are forcibly repatriated to Tibet.
@ T1 …. Tibet 2/2
My conclusion:
My personal conclusion (and that of most people who had contacts with Tibetans or Tibet-support orgs) is that the invasion of Tibet was a landgrab of huge proportions: ~40% of the PRC area at that time – this does not show on modern maps because China quietly integrated large parts of Tibet into neighbouring Chinese provinces. And China also gained very strategic water resources and large mineral resources. And the invader is trying to justify his invasion by implying that it liberated Tibetans from an unbearable serfdom (since when has this been a reason for a conquest?) – but he neglects to mention that very many Tibetans (not monks) carry a picture of their religious leader either in an amulet or on their cellphones and that on religious holidays they often pray together for them. And they burn themselves to death (mostly but not only monks – and note that this is normally not allowed in Buddhism) to protest the Chinese policies (120+ by now). Unbearable serfdom?
Which side can you believe?
The Tibet-support organisations exist in most industrial countries of the world (including even the Chinese state of Singapore). I’ve spent 4 years in this activity and I’ve met many people. I’ve been to international events. I’ve been to India and have talked to many Tibetan refugees there. I’ve been to Dharamsala (Tibetan government-in-exile). All the people I’ve met in the Tibet-support orgs were private citizens who spent their own time, money and energy to support a unique culture that they found worthwhile – no government shills among them. Many of those people have been to Tibet itself and all confirm the same repression stories. So if you really want to know you could contact a Tibet-support organisation and ask the people there personally. I’m myself following a very honest german site igfm-muenchen.de which has extensive archives but you need to read German for that – but I’m sure you can also find good US sites if you ask one of your Tibet-support orgs.
A last remark about the Dalai Lama and his CIA connections:
The Dalai Lama is the religious ruler recognized by all Tibetans – and CIA+State Department/NED like that because they can embarrass China with their support. And you may have noticed that whenever a country tries to invite the Dalai Lama the country is either put under pressure or blackmailed by China – while the only country in the world that will resist this Chinese pressure is unfortunately the Empire of Lies. So the Dalai Lama is between a rock and a hard place: either he refuses the support of the US and then he will never again be allowed to speak in any country (except India) – or he quietly accepts the only help he can get for his people. I’m not a religious man but if I were in his place I would silently nod and accept …
Voilà T1 – now it’s your decision – and season’s greetings to you.
A note to US readers:
Jury Nullification – a powerful but little known feature of jury trials.
In Europe jury trials are not the norm and I never thought much about them. But an article that I read a few days ago completely changed my mind. Here is the gist of it:
„…Jury nullification occurs when a jury decides that a defendant shouldn’t go to jail, regardless of what the law says. The basic idea is the following:
By nullifying a law, people who don’t coerce others stop the excesses of those who do.
This is a very old practice and one that is explicitly recognized in US law.…“
I feel that this is an astonishing defense of the 99% against the excesses of the 1% and from the article I also understand that prosecutors try to avoid mentioning it.
So if I’ve understood this correctly it would be in our obvious interest to disseminate this information.
http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/jury-nullification-and-why-ross-ulbrichts-prosecutors-are-trying-to-evade-i
(sorry for the explicit link – for some reason my “a href” was unacceptable)
@NotsSoFast;
Since our nation, the US, is no longer a place governed by the rule of law I find it very difficult to believe utilizing existing law for purposes beneficial to public good is a viable option for change. Here in the land of the debt slave and home of the timid the powers who rule routinely ignore existing law and convention with impunity. Can you provide evidence where this has not been the case in recent memory. Sorry, comrade, nothing will trump the rampant disregard of law or precedence when there is a chance that elite interests will not be solely served. This applies across the board; domestically and internationally.
Odessa must be free.
The Wend.
Merry Christmas!
As I said a few days ago:
The major reason for fear is the CIA. A report damning the CIA was very recently released. The reasons for fear are two fold:
1) the CIA needs a distraction to take the publics attention off the torture report
2) the CIA needs to prove its worth in a world filled with terror acts
Beware! We have made the CIA even more dangerous now!
I think that’s bullsh*t that Germany needs to be on high alert because of Islamic terrorism…I think this is a United States false alarm that Merkel is frightening the public with…down down with Skull and Bones !!!
I actually think Islam has to be on high alert because of post-Christian terrorism….down down with Skull and Bones !!!
These things are all plotted and contrived behind dark closed doors. The world at large has to shake off this heavy yoke or continue its descent into the graveyard of civilization.
To Wend :
These scenes of bombings in Odessa are a good sign or no ?
President of the Ukrainian Analytical Center Alexander Okhrimenko recently lamented the fact that “China is in no hurry to transfer money to Ukraine for future deliveries of grain.”
“In general, it is very profitable for Ukraine. If we now China has listed 5 billion. Dollars, could increase gold reserves.
But China clearly does not want to continue cooperation with Ukraine. In China, appreciate the stability and do not understand what the Maidan and how you can not abide by the Constitution and does not comply with the agreement.
Therefore, do not want to transfer money. They are afraid that simply Kiev not pay for a new loan, “- he concluded.
Doubt Beijing is easy to understand when you consider that the contract signed back in 2012, China, listing Kiev half a billion dollars for future deliveries of grain for 2014, the beginning of December was no more than a quarter of a specified amount.
So, most of all, instead of new loans, Ukraine faces a huge penalty.
Along with NotSoFast, I want to add my testimony to the story of China and Tibet. I wrote it in the comments thread of the China post just now:
China openly and officially backs Russia
The Tibetan side of the story is not being told. We here understand well how people with experience in propaganda can so easily prevail in the accepted narrative when positioned against people with less experience. We think of the West in this regard, and we lament how poorly Russia does to equalize this battle. The same can be said for the poor Tibetans, who have less visibility in the world than the Palestinians, and whose heartfelt supporters are useless when it comes to telling lies.
NotSoFast : Thanks for posting a case for the Dalai Lama.
On Dalailama status in India- Colonial and Post colonial India has been quite good at killing most of the old institutions of Bharat that managed to survive wars of last millenium. India is not as brutal as China in this respect, However considering turmoil of Indian politics, some western support helps Dalai Lama in India. Good thing is, One expects, the Modi govt to treat the Dalai Lama well.
I was sad to read the following, thanks for posting it :
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over 90% of the monasteries in Tibet have been closed or destroyed, the remaining ones house more police than monks
– the Tibetan language is eliminated from all schools and private Tibetan schools who want to preserve it are closed.
– an increasing number of Tibetan festivals (often linked to religions or to the seasons) have been forbidden
– the Tibetan patriots who want to preserve their language, religion or culture are either shot or jailed+tortured+released as human wrecks
@Tibet
A little part of the history of Tibet never told:
“Before he had to flee, the young Dalai Lama had a number of meetings with the “Great Chairman” and was very impressed by him. As he shook Mao Zedong by the hand for the first time, the Kundun in his own words felt he was “in the presence of a strong magnetic force” (Craig, 1997, p. 178). Mao too felt the need to make a metaphysical assessment of the god-king: “The Dalai Lama is a god, not a man”, he said and then qualified this by adding, “In any case he is seen that way by the majority of the Tibetan population” (Tibetan Review, January 1995, p. 10). Mao chatted with the god-king about religion and politics a number of times and is supposed to have expressed varying and contradictory opinions during these conversations. On one occasion, religion was for him “opium for the people” in the classic Marxist sense, on another he saw in the historical Buddha a precursor of the idea of communism and declared the goddess Tara to be a “good woman”…
The twenty-year-old hierarch from Tibet looked up to the fatherly revolutionary from China with admiration and even nurtured the wish to become a member of the Communist Party. He fell, as Mary Craig puts it, under the spell of the red Emperor. “I have heard chairman Mao talk on different matters”, the Kundun enthused in 1955, “and I received instructions from him. I have come to the firm conclusion that the brilliant prospects for the Chinese people as a whole are also the prospects for us Tibetan people; the path of our entire country is our path and no other”.
Mao Zedong, who at that time was pursuing a gradualist politics, saw in the young Kundun a powerful instrument through which to familiarize the feudal and religious elites of the Land of Snows with his multi-ethnic communist state. In a 17-point program he had conceded the “ national regional autonomy [of Tibet] under the leadership of the Central People’s Government”, and assured that the “existing political system”, especially the “status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama”, would remain untouched”.
(Shadow of the Dalai Lama – Part II – 14. China’s metaphysical rivalry with Tibet) from:
Victor und Victoria Trimondi,
THE SHADOW OF THE DALAI LAMA.
Sexuality, Magic and Politics in Tibetan Buddhism.
Translated by Mark Penny
In regard to the repression and dissolution of peoples and their cultures, it is important to keep in mind the apparent hard wiring of the naked male ape so bent on the prevalent patriarchal destruction of neighboring as well as distant tribes and societies in competition for the resources necessary for survival as well as the sexual slaves necessary for progeny. Apparently no religious teachings however deeply God given and inspired have been able to overcome not only the chest beating but the deeply felt need to despise and demolish all others seen as competitors for those non infinite resources necessary for all. And at the same time a definite lack of capacity to restrain breeding of new mouths in relation to available land, food and water. What a noble work is humankind. its dismal fate foretold from the beginning in its inability to control its inmost destructive urges. Now we are coming close to the end of its story. And the brilliant double helix analysis only guarantees the abysmal continuation of this by degrees farcical tragedy that will continue until all is utter nothingness. Perhaps God’s glory will continue with the continuing lifeless planet, a glowing and dying speck of ash continuing to rotate around an aging star in a vast and infinite universe full of such lessons.
Seems the propaganda people in the west were fed took as well as the pro-zionist, anti-communist, anti-Rusian-Chinese-Cuban_and all the other goebbelsian rightwing propaganda in support of western fascism and zio-fascism. With China now openly siding with Russia, we will see a lot more propaganda regarding China and Tibet, along with more western (mainly Israeli-American organised) terrorism against the people of China, using Tibet the way these freaks use Chechnya. It’s the same sort of duplicitous crap.
Some info not out of Langley or Tel Aviv to set the record straight here:
Dalai Lama Cult: Postmodern Neo-feudalism and the Decline of the West
“…The Tibetan monasteries were extremely hierarchical. The upper Lamas lived in opulent palaces, took children as sex slaves and lived off the labour of the lower lamas who, in turn, lived off the labour of the starving serfs. The punishment meted out to disobedient serfs included gouging out of eyes; evisceration; the severing of hands and legs and other more hideous forms of torture.
Professor Micheal Parenti writes:
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away. 3
This is not quite the idyllic paradise of Hollywood lore! Serfs often had to carry their owners on their backs. As a result, a large number of serfs were stooped and crippled. It would not be incorrect to say that before the arrival of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army in Tibet in 1951, the land of the Lamas was hell on earth. Over 70 percent of the population was comprised of poor illiterate serfs and nomads; they had absolutely no rights and no value…”
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This essay goes into more detail about the real Tibet. Some excerpts:
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
“…Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeated rape, beginning at age nine. 14 The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers.
In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. 15 The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land–or the monastery’s land–without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand.16 Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. 17
As in a free labor system and unlike slavery, the overlords had no responsibility for the serf’s maintenance and no direct interest in his or her survival as an expensive piece of property. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.
One 22-year old woman, herself a runaway serf, reports: “Pretty serf girls were usually taken by the owner as house servants and used as he wished”; they “were just slaves without rights.”18 Serfs needed permission to go anywhere. Landowners had legal authority to capture those who tried to flee. One 24-year old runaway welcomed the Chinese intervention as a “liberation.” He testified that under serfdom he was subjected to incessant toil, hunger, and cold. After his third failed escape, he was merciless beaten by the landlord’s men until blood poured from his nose and mouth. They then poured alcohol and caustic soda on his wounds to increase the pain, he claimed.19
The serfs were taxed upon getting married, taxed for the birth of each child and for every death in the family. They were taxed for planting a tree in their yard and for keeping animals. They were taxed for religious festivals and for public dancing and drumming, for being sent to prison and upon being released. Those who could not find work were taxed for being unemployed, and if they traveled to another village in search of work, they paid a passage tax. When people could not pay, the monasteries lent them money at 20 to 50 percent interest. Some debts were handed down from father to son to grandson. Debtors who could not meet their obligations risked being cast into slavery….”
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OT, but raises interesting questions.
Security firm says Sony hack might have been an inside job
http://rt.com/usa/217495-sony-hack-fbi-north-korea/
“Despite claims by the FBI that North Korea was behind the massive hack against Sony, several cybersecurity experts have come forward to raise questions about the allegation, with some suggesting that insiders at the company could be to blame.
One such expert, Kurt Stammberger from the Norse cybersecuirty firm, told CBS News that his team believes a woman identified only as “Lena” was heavily involved in the hack – not North Korea.
“We are very confident that this was not an attack master-minded by North Korea and that insiders were key to the implementation of one of the most devastating attacks in history,” he told the news outlet.
“Sony was not just hacked, this is a company that was essentially nuked from the inside,” Stammberger added.
Little is known about Lena, but Norse believes the woman is somehow linked with the hacking group behind the attack, known as the ‘Guardians of Peace.’ The firm also suspects the woman was a former employee of Sony who worked there for 10 years before leaving in May 2014.
According to Stammberger, Lena’s position in the company would have given her the access and knowledge needed to identify the servers that hackers ultimately stole troves of data from.
Stammberger didn’t completely rule out North Korea’s role in the cyber attack, but he told CBS that evidence pointing to the country could actually be a case of misdirection.
“There are certainly North Korean fingerprints on this but when we run all those leads to ground they turn out to be decoys or red herrings,” he said.”
It appears the Ami regime is working with the hackers and their blaming North Korea is part of a cover-up that was planned along with the hack. Question is why attack Sony?
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@ Ann
“I think that’s bullsh*t that Germany needs to be on high alert because of Islamic terrorism…I think this is a United States false alarm that Merkel is frightening the public with…down down with Skull and Bones !!!”
This is exactly my thought. Season’s greetings to you Ann
Regarding Tibet, culture wise, it is very close to Mongolia. As you may know Mongolia was part of China for more than 1000 years until Mao’s stupidty.
I am from a province that is next to Tibet, and has a very sizable Tibet population. I went the deep of the area over 30 years ago, I was surprise how much they were like us.Yes, they are difference, they are much more of Buddhist than Han (similar to Mongolian). But my province is pretty much saturated with difference minorities who typically live in to remote places. If they were in the big cities, one can not tell much difference. But I think some of them like to dress up to sell their wares (the authentic treasures of mountain from Tibet) just to attract customers.
I did spoke with a child who was taking care of some goat by the road, I asked him where were his teacher come from, he told me they were from capital city. I was hoping the teacher were local. But it was early 80s, China just started college entrance exam. Not many qualified people locally then. I know for a fact, every college set aside certain number for people from certain minorities, and the test score a lot lower from those area as well. They encourage people go to college, and return home.
Many years later, I ask a colleague of mine who was from Inner Mongolia, if he was taught his language, he said, yes. It was taught in school. One can assume same with Tibetans.
If you know Chinese history, you will know that there were many different nationalities exist through out history, but now only a few left. It is not because Chinese killed them all, or exile them all, it is they became part of us. Mongolia, Jin, Qing had conquered China, We did not become Mongolian, Jin, or Qing, but they take up Confucius learning, and become part of us.
Yes, you may still able to visit Tibetan museum to see the bowls made of human skulls at the time Dalai Lama keep Tibetan people enslaved. He may looked lovely, but he is far from such.
@ Not so fast
You perfectly exemplify the Orwellian values of the “democratic” West, or Free World as you all love to call yourselves.
The Tibetan “side of the story” has been aggressively propagandized around the world from Hollywood to the mainstream media like CNN and NY Times.
This includes the backing of media idols like Richard Gere, Brad Pitt (“7 Years in Tibet”), Martin Scorsese (“Kundun”), Sharon Stone, Madonna, the Beastie Boys, etc–not to mention covert sponsorship by Anglo American and European regimes.
Moreover, the phony Free Tibet movement is populated, backed, funded, and supported by the greatest criminals on the planet: the Anglo Americans and Europeans.
In particular, the USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand all currently occupy Native Indian, Hawaiian, Chicano, Aboriginal, or Maori nations within their own borders.
This is not to mention captive nations like the Basque nation (occupied by Spain) or Northern Ireland (occupied by England) in Europe.
These are the same Western war criminal nations that attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria—slaughtering millions of people under the guise of promoting freedom and human rights.
Incidentally, India is also backing and hosting the self-styled Tibetan Regime in Exile in Dharamsala—as a kind of cynical geopolitical weapon against China.
Yet this is the same India that is fighting brutal colonial wars against nations like Kashmir, Nagaland, Bodoland, or Assam–all of which have decades-long independence struggles against Indian occupation and rule, which you strangely don’t hear about.
This is the same India that is currently ruled by the Hindu fundamentalist, Narendra Modi, who has been exposed for his role in India’s infamous Gujarat Genocide in 2002, where thousands of Muslims were murdered by Hindu mobs with covert government support.
The Deadly Plan: How the Gujarat Genocide was Engineered
http://www.truthofgujarat.com/deadly-plan-gujarat-genocide-engineered/
Compelling Evidence proves – Narendra Modi Ordered Gujarat Riots 2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFZBNUnG5pI
Yet all these “democratic” nations and their citizens are shedding crocodile tears about Chinese Tibet?
Get real.
They have no moral legitimacy.
None.
By the way, before you knock those teachers from cities, Tibet mountains are not exact easily accessible place, and climate is very hush. You can tell people from the area just by looking at their face. Some of teachers had to go on horseback to visit their students. It takes a lot dedication to teach there.
When we was in college, go to work in remote places such as Tibet was same as do gooders in west want to go to help people in remote places. Of cause, only the west can do anything good. The rest of world does not count.
On a totally non-political note, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to Saker and everyone reading the blog.
Why has so much journalism succumbed to propaganda? Why are censorship and distortion standard practice? Why is the BBC so often a mouthpiece of rapacious power? Why do the New York Times and the Washington Post deceive their readers?
The most effective propaganda is found not in the Sun or on Fox News – but beneath a liberal halo. When the New York Times published claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, its fake evidence was believed, because it wasn’t Fox News; it was the New York Times.
The same is true of the
Washington Post and the Guardian, both of which have played a critical role in conditioning their readers to accept a new and dangerous cold war. All three liberal newspapers have misrepresented events in Ukraine as a malign act by Russia – when, in fact, the fascist led coup in Ukraine was the work of the United States, aided by Germany and Nato.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/05/war-by-media-and-the-triumph-of-propaganda/
@ Not So Fast, Part II
It’s not a secret the Dalai Lama himself has been funded and backed by the American CIA for decades–the same American CIA that engages in crimes like torture, drug running, assassination, and other state terrorism.
Tibet and the March 10 commemoration of the CIA’s 1959 ‘uprising’
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19595.htm
China and America: The Tibet Human Rights PsyOp
http://www.globalresearch.ca/china-and-america-the-tibet-human-rights-psyop/8673
I wonder what His Holiness thinks of “rectal feeding” and “water boarding” practiced by his decades-long sponsor and friend, the CIA?
It’s also not a secret that His Holiness comes from the feudal theocracy that ruled Tibet before the Chinese revolution.
Even Americans like Michael Parenti has somewhat questioned the Shangri-La myth of Tibet, which the morally vacuous Western middle classes cling to as an escape from their own materialistic societies.
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
And despite his supposed peaceful and benevolent persona, His Holiness certainly has some interesting friends, such as Heinrich Harrer (member of the Nazi SS), as well as other European fascists.
http://www.westernshugdensociety.org/photos/heinrich-harrer-and-hitler/
Dalai Lama’s Friend: Hitler’s Champion
http://www.trimondi.de/EN/Harrer.htm
The bottom line is this: the West wants to destabilize, weaken, and preferably balkanize China using the Tibet Card, among others.
This is the Machiavellian divide-and-conquer tactics the European Americans have perfected to a chilling science since the Roman Empire to the Euro-American Empire today.
The so-called Free Tibet movement is merely one more weapon that they use.
And it exemplifies how European/Americans instinctively manipulate the greatest of lies—like claiming to support freedom, democracy, and minority rights in other countries as a cover for their more predatory appetites.
Smash China
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56203
Smash China (II)
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58334
Alliance against Beijing
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56267
Operations Against China
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56147
Dalai Lama’s Collective Defamation against China
http://nsnbc.me/2012/02/13/dalai-lama%C2%B4s-collective-defamation-against-china/
The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hypocrisy-and-danger-of-anti-china-demonstrations/8731?print=1
@ Not So Fast, Part 3
It’s also interesting that the Western manipulation of Tibet to expand its penetration into China is a policy that goes back to the early 20th century such as the case of Germany.
As noted in the “Strategies of Attrition” articles cited here, this includes the Nazi Third Reich, which established connections with the Tibetan theocrats before and during WWII, with detachments of Nazi SS officer visiting Tibet under the patronage of Heinrich Himmler as part of a broader geopolitical plan:
“German plans for Tibet became topical for the last time, during the Nazi rule. in 1942. Impressed by the Wehrmacht’s advance on Soviet territory, Himmler ordered the “total exploration of the Central Asian vital living space (“Lebensraum”)”.[11] When, in the summer of 1942, Japanese troops advanced into the region bordering Tibet, they encountered a German ally in Lhasa – the Dalai Lama. The god-king’s camarilla was hoping to disengage itself from Chinese, Soviet Russian and British influence and to eternalize the Tibetan feudal dictatorship. The goal was to create a “Pan-Mongolian Federation” – under the leadership of the Third Reich and Japan.”
As the 1938/39 German expedition to Tibet which first established relations between Berlin and Llasa described it, this was a “meeting of the western and eastern swastika.”
Given the Dalai Lama’s own close friendship with Nazi SS officers like Heinrich Harrer, this description is very revealing.
Strategies of Attrition (II)
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56097?PHPSESSID=mcc5eotgs89rq6vc9bord75tt5
Strategies of Attrition (III)
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56098?PHPSESSID=mcc5eotgs89rq6vc9bord75tt5
Michel Collon has an informative pop quiz for those who stil believe in the “Free Tibet” psyops:
TIBET : true or false?
http://www.michelcollon.info/TIBET-true-or-false.html?lang=en
Indeed, the entire Free Tibet campaign, which spans decades, has got to be one of the greatest propaganda operations launched by America and the West, at least with regards to China.
It is right up there with Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, the bogus War on Terrorism, and Western “freedom and democracy” itself.
This campaign has been dutifully swallowed by most of the citizens of the Free World and West in particular, including so-called “alterative media” in the Anglo-American Empire.
The Green Tara said:
@NotSoFast, 21.30:
The Dalai Lama is the recognized leader of all Tibetans?
What about the Dorje Shugden. Why has the Dalai Lama tried to ban it?
As a person in charge of disseminating info for the Tibetan exile community, it is surprising you are unaware of the Dorje Shugden debate – but due to your busy schedule, of course, you may have overlooked it.
Google Dorje Shugden – a lot of info about anti-Lama protests.
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None may be perfect, however declarations that Dalai Lama is about slavery, Putin as Hitler – are hints that somewhere unfortunate things happened.
The demonization of people – classified by serfs/masters as per marxist doctrine, with due references to bondage, slavery, uncivilized, abducting women- is a bad thing to suffer.
In a different twist, The Dalai Lama provides a powerful description, more powerful than than the ways to look things in terms of history of serfs/masters/revolutions etc. It is possible, He is still in game to win over the Chinese – by gesture of peace and ideals of life, in his death, if not in life . Your thoughts ? Happy new year.
Nupura said…25 December, 2014 15:24
“вот так : …Your thoughts ?”
Basically defense of the Anglo-zionist propaganda promoted by NotSoEast, only applied using a different technique. While effective in the past, that sort of mutual support spamming is no longer convincing. You guys need a new game plan, you’ve overplayed that one too much.
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@ NotSoFast – I don’t know if you’ve read any of the rebuttal to your comments but if so I thought you could use a friendly word by now ;)
I appreciate that you’ve spoken out of your personal experience. I’ve spoken out of mine. I will be very sad if someone should think I’m supporting some kind of propaganda activity.
I’ve relied on Michael Parenti for a great deal of truth. His take on Tibet shocks me, not about him but about Tibet. In my own comments on the other thread, the China one, I told how the monastic culture of Tibet in the last few centuries became deeply corrupt and how the Rime movement arose, afraid that the Dharma itself would die out and disappear. Many great masters fled from Tibet after the invasion, and they undertook the deadly exodus across the Himalayas not because they were afraid to die or because they wanted to leave their people but in order to save the Dharma, the teachings of the Buddha. These came to the West.
The survival of the Dharma may still be in doubt in this world, although I have also heard that Buddhism is growing in the world. So I don’t know. I do know that the Dharma was planted and nurtured to take root on the rock of America, among other places, by the very best of Tibet. My encounter with Tibet has been with its very best.
I realize that Zen Buddhism came first, by the way, it’s not my purpose to exclude Japan’s (and China’s) great contribution. I speak only as one grateful to have heard the Dharma, thanks to the kindness of Tibetans.
Everything has two sides. I cannot believe that any good thing could arise in this world that the CIA would not try to infiltrate and co-opt for its own purposes. And certainly all the supposedly good institutions of the west have been revealed over time – quite recently to many people – to have dubious connections at the very least. Some are used as unwitting cover for black ops. Entire libraries of books and papers now seem to have been written on commission as psy-ops. In such a polluted environment, the only thing we know is that we have to be enormously careful to sift the strands of truth out of the weeds.
So I think to draw a black and white picture of the Tibetan situation in a way that makes the Chinese out purely as “liberators” and concerned only to defeat aggression and subversion from the west, is to draw a picture that is half wrong.
We have spent enormous effort in these threads coming to understand the treachery of the west and to learn who we now regard as the good guys. This process I suspect for many has just in this year shattered a number of lifetime beliefs, working assumptions and cultural identities. I hope we can take the same approach to picking through the evidence and hard conclusions we hold about China, Tibet, The Dalai Lama and the CIA, and come to a better understanding of the many sides of all of these things.
Is Ukraine really on the brink of war with Russia? Strelkov says so in his recent interview. What about the NATO troops seen near Donetsk? There are a lot of ominous signs that war may be imminent. For frankly unnerving details see
http://quemadoinstitute.wordpress.com/
Also, there’s still more proof Ukraine downed the MH17.
@ anon 15:19
“What about the Dorje Shugden. Why has the Dalai Lama tried to ban it? “
I am not a religious man myself and I’m not very interested in ideological or religious discussions – I tend to prefer practical and direct experience. And so I know that in practice many Tibetans (even today) carry amulets or pictures of their religious leaders (typically the Dalai Lama or the Karmapa). But if their leaders have a religious difference of opinion (Dorje Shugden) I’ve never heard about it in my 4 years.
@ вот так
“Basically defense of the Anglo-zionist propaganda promoted by NotSoEast, only applied using a different technique. While effective in the past, that sort of mutual support spamming is no longer convincing. You guys need a new game plan, you’ve overplayed that one too much.”
You obviously have not the slightest doubt about your own deductions and so you have come to the splendid conclusion that I am an AZ troll – hehehe I live and learn every day even about myself :-)))
re NotSoFast @ 25 December, 2014 19:58
вот так has a history in this and other blogs of vilifying the author of any post he disagrees with as Zionist troll, using obscure Hebrew epithets. It’s best to ignore him, like Cold N. Holdfield on M-O-A. I suspect he’s an agent provocateur of some kind, at least that’s the effect.
It’s well to change your handle, if he comes after you more than once.
NotSoFast said…25 December, 2014 19:58
“You obviously have not the slightest doubt about your own deductions and so you have come to the splendid conclusion that I am an AZ troll – hehehe I live and learn every day even about myself :-)))”
I wasn’t the only who saw through your lame act, interesting you singled me out. :D You could have attempted to refute the material I posted, but instead went the snarky (IE: childish) route. That means you realise you have no adequate response.
That you took AZ propaganda about Tibet and made it yours by claiming it as “personal expertise” or some such rubbish, pretty much confirms what you are. This is standard AZ trolling practice one finds all over the web, where the comment writer posts the AZ propaganda as their “own material” and claims expertise in the subject in order to give it weight and deter counter arguments and evidence being posted. The follow-up is usually co-workers posting agreement to add weight to the propaganda, none of whom, like you, have the slightest clue of the subject they are writing about. I’ve seen you lot use this web spamming technique 1000s of times now. As I wrote, you people need some new tricks.
Grieved said…25 December, 2014 18:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLcB76lkgEM
I think these guys would appreciate your efforts… ;D
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Anonymous said…26 December, 2014 01:39
“вот так has a history in this and other blogs of vilifying the author of any post he disagrees with as Zionist troll, using obscure Hebrew epithets. It’s best to ignore him, like Cold N. Holdfield on M-O-A. I suspect he’s an agent provocateur of some kind, at least that’s the effect.”
One of my web stalkers. :D Why don’t you use the name you use at MOA or notthetalk.com? Embarrassed?
@EVERYBODY: ENOUGH AD HOMINEMS! From now on, only *topics*, but no personal attacks of any kind. I mean it. Full stop. Please don’t try.
Cheers,
The Saker
@ Anonymous at 19:58 – if we’re coming down to ad hominem attacks, I want to offer that in my experience BOT TAK has almost always made comments that I found useful and informative. Importantly, he doesn’t make “Anonymous” comments – nothing is worse than those.
I have hopes of coming to a consensus, over the long term, with BOT TAK and others about the most probable case for Tibet and China. This will take time. It will take people being polite to each other and considerate of their genuine viewpoints. It will take some research, certainly on my part. It will take comments under a nickname of some kind so everyone can know who they’re talking to. I have hopes of all this.
Grieved said…26 December, 2014 03:06
“@ Anonymous at 19:58 – if we’re coming down to ad hominem attacks, I want to offer that in my experience BOT TAK has almost always made comments that I found useful and informative. Importantly, he doesn’t make “Anonymous” comments – nothing is worse than those.
I have hopes of coming to a consensus, over the long term, with BOT TAK and others about the most probable case for Tibet and China. This will take time. It will take people being polite to each other and considerate of their genuine viewpoints. It will take some research, certainly on my part. It will take comments under a nickname of some kind so everyone can know who they’re talking to. I have hopes of all this.”
I apologise for posting the video above. About Tibet and China, though, I think it there is not much any of us can affect, or have any right to affect. By “us” meaning people outside Tibet and China. The people there will work out their lives irregardless of outside meddlers. And I believe they pretty much have done this already. Outsiders, both the ZPC/NWO Dalai Lama geopolitical quisling types and people genuinely thinking their interference is doing good, only bring more trouble and make things worse.
Regarding Tibetan Buddhism, I think it is Buddhism corrupted as applied. Much in the same manner Catholicism deeply corrupted Christianity, and similarly, to achieve pretty much identical goals. In other words, the use of religion to get people to accept a hierarchical societal order in which they become willing powerless pawns of others who are complete parasites in every way possible. Buddhism is not a political way, it transcends such things. Using Buddhism to enforce a political order is antithetical to Buddhism, though that never stopped it being done by the less than ethical.
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Like many religious idols promoted by America and Europe, the Dalai Lama is a false idol, replete with Madison Avenue/Hollywood-style branding techniques.
Recently, a new book has been published by the Western Shugden Society, a Buddhist sect that the Dalai Lama has tried to ban and repress, which lays bare the dark side of His Holiness that most European-Amercians simply don’t have the honesty or courage to face.
Exposing the dark side of the Dalai Lama
http://internationalshugdencommunity.com/
European/Americans simply cannot bring themselves to question the Free Tibet lie and His Holiness himself, as this would represent one more of their false idols shattered.
God forbid that even greater lies–like the civilizational deception called Western liberal demoracy–could also be shattered as well. ;-)
Euro-Americans are essentially a people based upon deception–foremost, that their “civilization” represent the apex of human freedom– religious, political, or otherwise.
This self-serving conceit is one that defines the Western mindset as a foundational tenet of Euro-American nations and so-called Western “civilization.”
Most notable is the United States of America, and its religious-like delusion that the USA is a Land of the Free and Beacon of Liberty.
What the Dalai Lama was originally, when he fled the Chinese invasion of sovereign Tibet, and what he has become under the pressures of his difficult position, are two different things. It is not his fault he had to turn to the West, and to whatever agencies were willing to assist him, such as the Nationa Endowment for Democracy. Had China not launched its brutal and murderous invasion, the Dalai Lama would remain an integrated and revered Buddhist leader at the Potala, rather than a Westernized public figure.
I urge you to read Heinrich Harrer’s “Seven Years in Tibet”. This is among the very few frank first-hand histories of the Chinese invasion of Tibet and of the Dalai Lama’s challenge at the time. Don’t mistake this for the shallow Hollywood movie rendition. Heinrich Harrer was an acclaimed mountaineer, which was why he was one of the rare Westerners who happened to be in Tibet at that time. His book is a thorough study. I also recommend the Dalai Lama’s autobiography, which explains the challenges he faced as a young man trying to reach agreements with the tricky and dishonest Chinese government.
If you’re going to criticize the Dalai Lama today, you must take into account which country forced him into his present unsought and awkward position.
Incidentally, whether a person comments anonymously has nothing to do with their personal integrity. Judgment of comments should be based on content alone.
@ Anonymous at 18:00 – I made the comment about Anonymous comments being “the worst” so let me make one final comment in this thread to explain.
I agree that being anon has no bearing on the intrinsic value of any comment. But there is an extrinsic value also to every comment in any discussion thread, on any blog or news source.
1. There is a general shortage of time, and we process vast amounts of information thanks to the Internet. So when we can identify a comment by its author we have already begun to assign value. This is good, and useful.
2. Nothing can be said in just one comment – you must know this, we all know this. When we give an identity to our comments they begin to cohere into a point of view. So as we identify the source of the comment (see point #1 above), we also know we’re trying to understand a complete universe of perspective from that commenter.
Over time, mature comment threads with known and well recognized commenters increase their value in the manner and to the degree of the network effect.
My frustration with anon comments is not that they have no value but that they don’t accrue value. I may not even read you if I’m in a hurry, but having read you and found your comment to be of great value, I would love to be able to recognize you again, and offer my contribution to your perspective. And over time, a real discussion would occur.
To eliminate this potential by declining to identify your comment is a sad thing. I was taught long ago to sign my name to anything I offer to be read. As you can see, my privacy is untouched by choosing a nickname (you don’t have to enter a URL, just choose a name) – but you can know at a glance if you want to read my point of view or not. If anyone doesn’t want to read something I offer for consideration, honestly I am delighted to be able to save them time. It’s a courtesy. Think about it.
Anonymous, 1800, the Dalai has been a CIA asset since the 1950s. The NED came decades later. The USA was training Tibetan terrorists in Colorado in the 1950s. Heinrich Harrer was a Nazi who influence the young Dalai more than a little.
@ 18:00
Heinrich Harrer was a Nazi SS officer, a minor little issue that many devotees of the Dalai Lama, conveniently obscure. Harrer’s book and perspectives are a product of the Nazis’ occult fascination with Tibetan Buddhism Tantrism.
These connections between Nazi/fascism and Tibetan Buddhism are an embarrassing issue that many “Free Tibet” crusaders attempt to spin-doctor away, rationalize, or angrily deny.
FASCIST OCCULTISM AND IT’S CLOSE RELATIONSHIP TO BUDDHIST TANTRISM
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-12.htm
Moreover, His Holiness is what he has always been: a religious theocrat with ambitions to reclaim the privileges and power of the Tibetan Lamaist caste—albeit under a “democratic” veneer.
The fact that he embraces American terrorist institutions like the CIA (or its proxies like the NED) reveal much about his true values, just as his life-long connection with Harrer or other Western fascists–including his defense of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet.
Moreover, your narrative about a Chinese “brutal and murderous invasion” of Tibet is another propaganda meme promoted by Europeans and Americans.
This invasion meme exemplifies precisely the type of shallow and superficial history that Hollywood peddles as it panders to West’s deep-seated Sinophobia and anti-Chinese prejudices.
Firstly, Tibet has historically been part of China since at least the 13th century, when it was annexed by the Mongols to China. Indeed, since the 17th century, each successive Dalai Lama received his official seal from the Chinese emperor. Even after the British Empire invaded Tibet in the 19th century and the 13th Dalai Lama unilaterally declared independence, it was not recognized by others nation, not even the US, which still recognized Tibet as part of China until the 1949 Communist revolution.
To say “China invaded Tibet” is based upon a fundamental lie: that they were separate countries.
Indeed, many Free Tibet cheerleaders neglect to mention that the Tibetan ruling elites, or Kashag, originally signed a 17-point agreement in 1951 with the new Communist government of China for Tibet *to be a part of China* in exchange for the Kashag being allowed to retain their feudal practices, local political rule, and privileged status. In fact, the 13th Dalai Lama even agreed to become Vice President of the Chinese parliament in this agreement!
It was only when radical land reform policies were implemented later in the 1950s that challenged the privileged status of the Tibetan landlord class and other feudal elites that the insurrection began—led by these very same Tibetan feudal elites who wanted to maintain the existing order.
This is specific context of this so-called “Chinese invasion” that the West and Free Tibet suppress: the overthrow of feudal land ownership and property rights in the 1950s.
Indeed, this is the real “crime” that the Communists of China committed from the perspective of the West and the Lamaist elites—daring to challenge the sanctity of their “holiest of holies”: private property.
TIBET – A REALITY CHECK
http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1718/17180040.htm
TIBET : true or false?
http://www.michelcollon.info/TIBET-true-or-false.html?lang=en
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/russian-peacekeepers-will-officially.html
detailed article ,Kiev General agreeing presence of Rus Peacekeeping force in ATO zone,possibly from 28 Dec, joint patrols etc etc details of ceasefire violations-uncertain numbers may cause “alarm”
“Here is what the meaning of these negotiations was: joint patrols of the “contact zones” on the border between LPR, DPR and Ukraine will begin on December 28 – along with Ukrainian and Novorossian military it will be patrolled by the Russian peacekeepers. Actually, Russia, thereby will put the world before the fact of its presence in the unrecognized republics – and, interestingly, and unexpectedly, the OSCE endorses it.”
Developments slagged off by private sector etc-awaiting USA/NATO response – EU has apparently endorsed Poroshenko decision(was he told to do this in no uncertain terms by his military, or realises all his bluffs have been called,danger of right sector, private militias and Donbass miners marching on Kiev too much? Not sure who “initiated” it-I remember posting earlier among others re Generals meeting, hopefully responsible military on both sides will continue to improve the ceasefire. But if rogue elements create trouble, what happens then/ Rus responds with ? Poroshenko could be deposed by Yats? etc or Ukrainians realise they have been beaten by the cold and won’t support further military ATO in a near broken economy?
“December 27. /TASS/. Russia has taken a decision to supply 500,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine per month for solving its energy problems, Russian Vice-Premier Dmitry Kozak said on Saturday.”
rus needs to also keep its peacekeepers warm perhaps?–!
Rus will also supply some electricity to ukraine , and is hopeful coal can also get through to Crimea-“trusting” Kiev will reciprocate good will.
http://novorossia.today/?p=10724
but Ukr forces appear to be breaking ceasefire this morning,
some responses from AFNR though…………I urge people to read http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/133001 to clarify what is happening.
, December 27 (Sputnik) — The Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DPR) envoy at the Minsk peace talks Denis Pushilin said that during the recent negotiations, a certain progress was achieved on the issue of Donbas economic blockade, but the relevant documents were not signed.Kiev is slow to respond ……….as usual, trying to delay reality? but anything politically further on Minsk put on long term hold?
Kiev is ceasing all rail links to Crimea-permanent separation….Mastercard shuts down because of sanctions-is this preparation to “accept” Crimea has “seceded”?Or mostly still sanctions revenge? USA still putting on max pressure where it can but EU may revise their sanctions soonish?
QHA) – Nine Crimean Tatars, whose names are unknown, were conferred with medals “For returning of Crimea”. The solemn ceremony took place in Simferopol, Dec 24, in the residence of Russian Presidential Envoy in Crimea.
Other Tatars still opposing secession.
(QHA) – Crimean Parliament made a decision to create a commission on restoring of rights of the rehabilitated victims of political repression.
re documentation, pensions increases, public utilities discounts.
(QHA) – Crimean Parliament made a decision to create a commission on restoring of rights of the rehabilitated victims of political repression.
http://qha.com.ua/us-federal-aviation-bans-flights-over-simferopol-dnipropetrovsk-132855en.html
http://qha.com.ua/russia-to-slash-oil-output-due-to-low-global-oil-prices-132853en.html
anna-news still under “cyber attack”, can anyone check please? what is happening there? they had good stuff.
Might be worth checking out https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt94dhpYV06IMOTXcGXt3eQ/videos
It is NR newsfront? from vk.com…
I would recommend very much for members of our community to look into the twitters of Brzezinski. He refers to very revealing articles from himself and fellow travelers. One cannot know enough about the opponent!
https://twitter.com/zbig
It gives a great inside look into the view of the US deep state. Of course he is not the only voice there – I think also there he will be perceived as rather ancient, but has the ear of Obama and Clinton.
I personally like to read his intelligent articles, he does know how to hide lies and omissions.
Finally also reading his chessboard book, an interesting complement to Orwell 1984. The book is available as free PDF at:
http://www.takeoverworld.info/grandchessboard.html
(A site with a layout which would give any web programmer recurring nightmares).
MOSCOW, December 27 (Sputnik) — Secretary of Ukraine’s Security and Defense Council Oleksandr Turchynov said on Friday that the introduction of martial law cannot be excluded if negotiations to find a peaceful settlement to the Ukrainian conflict fail.
https://www.youtube.com/user/DNRILNR3-recent videos here re Donbass
Rus decides to cut oil production.
(QHA) – The Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believes that the transition to payments in dollars between Russia and Belarus, which was previously agreed between two countries, will not be effective-depletes Belarus foreign reserves, currency losing against dollar.Bel. had wanted to use dollars though for trade with Rus.
USA very unhappy Radio Liberty/RFE raided/closed by Azerbaijani govt —crack down on NGO’s??(remember recently Rus and A signed agreement ), more Rus could do here, USA claims “free press” must be preserved-raid on reason to check out tax evasion.Obama blocks skype/google to Crimea-freedom of the press double talk here?
Rus strengthens Caucasus(eg militray supplies since 2010 to Azerb. but Armenia violates Azerb ceasefire every day:re-CSTO, united airforce etc, would be great to have a sitrep on Caucausus region!Armenia plays to both Eu and Eurasia….it seems, like Turkey??
Pro-Kyiv volunteer battalions are increasingly blocking humanitarian aid into eastern Ukraine in a move which will exacerbate a pending humanitarian crisis in the run up to Christmas and New Year, said Amnesty International.
Over 100 descendants of the Russian nobility residing outside the country have addressed European nations with a call to stop irrationally alienating Russia and give an unbiased appraisal to the current Ukrainian crisis.
Hope that is ok to submit 3 blogs-not wishing to hog blogosphere….seasons greetings from Uk
In a discussion thread in the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/25/putin-scraps-new-year-holidays-russian-cabinet-ministers#comment-45438122
I came upon an interesting statement from one of the commenters.
He claimed that Russia under maritime law could not build a bridge + infrastructure from Kerch, because it would be in Ukrainian waters.
Another commenter (´gimmeshoes´) stated that Putin does not care about law, but I know better by now.
This is what I answered:
´If Gimmeshoes is right (things like that go to a maritime court and can take years) Putin will not build a bridge.
Yet.
Right now all signals from Ukraine indicate a very agressive stance. In the prisoner exchange Kiev cheated again, and only 55 of the 220 prisoners were non civilians.
Novorossiya will not attack Ukraine; so much influence does Putin still have over there. If Ukraine starts another large scale offensive however, there will be a battle.
Ukraine can never win this, and the sea of Azov will cease to be Ukrainian waters.
So you are right: Putin will respect international law, but it is likely that facts on the ground will change borders, and the sea of Azov will be Novorossiyan/ Russian.´
1) Under the current situation, does Russia legally have to ask permission from Ukraine to build it?
2) If, or when the territory of Novorossiya is attacked and a counteroffensive will liberate at least everything adjacent to the sea of Azov; it does legally require recognition of the Novorossiyan republic by Russia, right?
3) Does recognition of such republic, even if no other country goes along, implicate fixing the border according to the situation on the ground for that moment?
This, because I did, do, and will believe the only realistic outcome is an independent Novorossiya, from Kharkov, the Dnjepr to Transdnjestria.
Dnjepropetrovsk is crucial: after ´therapy´ to eradicate the Kolomoiski cancer, the vacuum needs to be filled.
Another question, not related. This winter, in Novorossia, it is just about having food and staying warm. Survival. Support. Only that is already winning!
But since this war is not over at all, what are their plans for the short term? And the coming few years?
About Ukraine taking an aggressive stance, there is reason to believe this is the calm before the storm. Turchynov threatens martial law, the Polish government is evacuating Poles from Novorossiya (why now, all of a sudden?), Russian peace-keeping troops are due to arrive, NATO forces were seen a few days ago in Donbass, Kiev is about to draft 50,000 conscripts, and so on. A lot of details can be found at
http://quemadoinstitute.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/novorossiya-rolling-analysis-dec-22-27/