From ThePeoplesVoice.org:
7.3 million in the US prison system
Link: http://wsws.org/articles/2009/mar2009/pris-m04.shtml
A study released this week by the Pew Center on the States delivers a staggering statistic: 7.3 million Americans – or 1 in every 31 adults – are in the nation’s prison system. This figure includes those in US jails and prisons, on parole, on probation, or under other forms of correctional supervision. No other country comes close to matching this number. If these individuals were grouped together, they would number more than the entire populations of Israel or Honduras, or all of the residents of Washington state.
You repeat leftist propaganda :)
6/7 of the number is NOT US citizens, isn’t it? :)
Regards
@anonymous: well, maybe you ought to consider the truly appaling possibility that I am rather Left-leaning.
Either that, or the Right-wing propaganda is so utterly asinine that nobody with an IQ above room temperature would ever bother repeating it?
As for the 6/7 – unless you back this up with some source…
I tried to get the proper figures eg. absolute numbers for the male populations of Blacks, Whites, and Hispanics (of all origin) but to no avail. I got no time to ferret about the internet nooks further for the data.
The report is a piece of crap. All the information of any significance is hidden under a “veil” of political correctness.
The only impression I have gotten from reading your post is that the USA is opressive state which “harasses” its citizens. Was that intentional?
I have found other news on the same report but less “sensational” Cut Crime With Wiser Spending On Probation, Parole: Pew Report
A quote – New supervision strategies and technologies can help manage more lower-risk offenders safely outside of prison at lower cost and with better results than incarceration, argues a new report from the Pew Center on the States. Such efforts need to be strengthened, not scaled back in a time of budget crises, said Pew. “Cutting them may appear to save a few dollars, but it won’t. It will fuel the cycle of more crime, more victims, more arrests, more prosecutions and still more imprisonment.” Pew cites “significant advances in community supervision,” including sophisticated risk assessment tools that help determine which offenders require the most supervision and what sort of services they need.
As for the 6/7 – unless you back this up with some source… you’ll be damned forever? :)
Living in the United States of America you should find the statistical figures on “state’s prison system” easier than me. For example – the most probable numbers of illegal immigrants without US citizenships, percent of them put to jail or put “on probation” (read: freed due to overcrowded prisons or lenient approach by leftist judges to “multiculti” local societies, etc.), how many illegal blacks, hispanics, and other illegal scum were deported in the last two years (media reported there has been ongoing review process to find out the jailed “color human trash” and kick them off of the country), how many of those “on probation” did violated the “contract” or commited a criminal offence, were they Blacks or Whites, from what demographic strata, etc.
Matching the 7 mln to the population of Israel or Honduras is a pathetic and primitive social engineering trick to amplify the negative picture projected by the nitty-gritty of the news.
Regards
Correction:
The excerpt, answering your question
As for the 6/7 – unless you back this up with some source… you’ll be damned forever? :)
should have been put a line down.
@Przemysław: The only impression I have gotten from reading your post is that the USA is opressive state which “harasses” its citizens. Was that intentional?
Yes.
Just substitute “harasses” with “imprisons”.
FYI – the USA has a higher incarceration rate than the USSR ever had, Gulag and all, and people in jail, in absolute number, than the PRC.
Sorry if that breaks down your illusions…
“FYI – the USA has a higher incarceration rate than the USSR ever had, Gulag and all, and people in jail, in absolute number, than the PRC.”
Saker, I don’t agree with anonymous, but on the other hand, we can’t forget that the US has a very developed and stable law system, and I guess the vast majority of those imprisoned did really commit crimes. Not even Bush managed to change this in a noticeable scale. While in Stalinist USSR the vast majority of arrested was due to political crimes, or even no crime at all.
The problem is not so much that the US has so many prisoners, but that it has such a high crime rate – by far the biggest in the so-called “developed world”.
But to blame (like anonymous does)high crime on “illegal immigrants” and “black and hispanic scum”, well, that is weird.
@Carlo: the US has a very developed and stable law system, and I guess the vast majority of those imprisoned did really commit crimes
Actually, not. The US has an amazingly disfunctional and corrupt legal system in which money keeps you out of jail and the lack of money, or your skin color, keeps in in jail. I have worked for the US courts (County District Courts to be specific) as a volunteer guardian at-litem, and I can tell you that the USA has the worst court system of any developed country.
As for who is in jail, the majority of inmates in the USA are jailed for non-violent offenders, mostly for pot-related ‘crimes’.
But to blame (like anonymous does)high crime on “illegal immigrants” and “black and hispanic scum”, well, that is weird
Nothing ‘weird’ here: just your garden variety ignorant racist asshole.
As always, crass ignorance and racism go hand-in-hand.
Correction: No such thing as a “county district” court. I meant, District court of my county. Sorry.
“Nothing ‘weird’ here: just your garden variety ignorant racist asshole.”
I know: “weird” was an euphemism for all these other words you used…
@Carlo:I know: “weird” was an euphemism for all these other words you used…
Oh, I knew that you knew…
I wanted *him* to know what I think about his idiotic statements
:-))
But to blame (like anonymous does) high crime on “illegal immigrants” and “black and hispanic scum”, well, that is weird.
@et al.
That’s why the PCS report hid the data. I can be “someone’s garden variety ignorant racist asshole” but the crimes are commited mostly by unemployed, disillusioned illegal immigrants, narco-dealers, mexican gang members, young blacks with “gimme it” attitudes to life, and so on. Hiding the data does not change the facts. Calling names as well.
If you truly want to help somebody being put to jail or being imprisoned you have to define the whole context of his life, origin, economy status, skin color (as it tells a lot, not from the rascist point of view but tells about the culture descent, views, ideas, life attitudes, etc.)
On the other hand, when you read US press and new media there is a lot of data enough to create a picture of the USA as a state in total disarray (or police state). Taking into consideration the press attitudes (the bad news is “sought-after” news) the whole idea of melting pot, the mulicultural coexistance, culture assimilation (vide national ghettos in US towns), etc. the “lawful USA” and “American citizen society” are unfulfilled myths. Just contrary.
If there are divisions, economic, cultural, itellectual, and rascist (yes! with idiotic neverending economic claims for slavery on Blacks side, as the division runs according to skin color), no wonder US has such high crime rate. The higher, the lower education, the more crime prone environment, the more claiming attitudes within certain social groups, the more leftist bloggers, and the more clamor for compassionate share of wealth by the State.
There exists also so called “backfire” mechanism within sociates when one part of them is being granted undeserved priviliges (or g. affirmative actions). A whole spectrum of illegal immigrants live thanks to US taxpayers’ money. education, housing, health care, etc. Working hard (sometimes), they live for free.
Add to these issues the one the Saker put in front – “the US has amazingly disfunctional and corrupt legal system” and maybe you will see the answer to Carlo’s question why “the vast majority of those imprisoned did really commit crimes”.
But what pissed me off was the way the Saker touched the serious problem. It was the worst type of biased editorial(?) or commentary on his blog I’ve ever seen here.
The Saker, I know that you know who “the anonymous” is. I came here very frequently even though we said goodbye to each other some time ago. So if you want to call me names please do not use my original name. Thank you.
BTW Sorry if that breaks down your illusions… You do not have to. Nothing on this blog which comes from your pen(keyboard) does break my illusions…
Regards
The Saker, your reply to Carlo defines you better than I would imagine. Thanks! :) The Leftists were, are, and will be the worst scum ever.
@Przemysław: you know, for somebody who has said his goodbyes you are sticking around quite a lot, in particular on a blog which never can make you change your mind about anything (if you know it all, why bother?).
Look, this is not the right blog for you. Somebody with your 1 degree wide ‘horizon’ who sees the world in terms of Left vs Right and who forms his views of the USA based on press articles really should not try to find any nugget of satisfaction here. There are plenty of wonderfully anti-Left anti-Liberal blogs out there which will shower you with cheers of admiration, respect and support for you ignorant and racist statement. Either that, or keep working on that “New Slavs Empire” of yours. Now that the “American Communists” lead by Barak Obama have taken over in the USA the world needs a real Right-Winger to deounce ’em pinko niggers more than ever!
Good luck and GOOD-BYE!
The Saker
Saker – Sure it’s your blog and you can try to kick out of here anybody. I say “to try” because anybody can stick around anyway no matter if you like it or not. Personally – I have no problem in reading any, and I mean ANY point of view no matter how stupid or wrong it looks to me or even offensive. That’s what we do. We learn what we are dealing with in this world. But once again – it’s your blog.
@alibi: hey, I am not kicking anybody out. In fact, I cannot do so since I do not enable comment moderation. Only once since I started that blog did I ask somebody to stop posting here, mostly because he posted well-meaning but utterly insane nonsense. This time, I just suggested to our friend from Poland that he might want to seek for better blogs elsewhere. That’s not exactly giving the boot, though it comes close.
Our Polish pal here has been writing not only clearly idiotic stuff, such as his rants about “American communists”, but also arrogant, hateful stuff, which bothers me a lot more. If he has stuck to substantive arguments I would have either ignored them or answered them, depending on my time and mood, but look at his first post here:
You repeat leftist propaganda :)
6/7 of the number is NOT US citizens, isn’t it? :)
Regards
What’s there to discuss here?
And then there is this pearl: illegal blacks, hispanics, and other illegal scum (but only ‘Leftists” are the “worst scum ever”).
I don’t know about you, but that is not the kind of language I want on this blog. So I simply told our (ex-)friend Przemysław what I told only one other person (Tony) in the past: wrong blog, not for you, go elsewhere.
That sounds reasonable to me.
Do you really think that some dude advocating for a New Slav Empire (check out his blog out New Slavs Media http://p2o2.blogspot.com/) and singing the praises of the US conservatives while denouncing “American Communists” brings a lot to this blog? I don’t. Nor will anyone here bring anything worthwhile to him (as he said himself).
So why waste everybody’s time.
He goes his way, we go our way, and everybody is happy.
No?
Cheers!
VS
“You repeat leftist propaganda :)
6/7 of the number is NOT US citizens, isn’t it? :)
Regards”
He was most probably dead drunk at that time.
But hey he keeps coming back to your blog, seems like he likes it, just like everybody else here. Even if they hate your point of view now and then. We all stick around here waiting for a new injection of painful truth. People take those injections differently. Most of us hate truth even though we keep digging for it. Many of us go mad at the messenger. So – since you are the messenger here – enjoy the consequences.
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