How did The West at the time get around that? They ignored the blockade and kept flying. Daring the Soviets to shoot down their planes. This was a strong response to the Soviet blockade and it worked. The Soviets weren’t prepared to pull the trigger and start World War 3.
Putin and Russia must make the same strong stance now And refuse to be bullied. Challenge Bulgaria & Greece to throw the first punch to start World War 3and risk having their country obliterated in the blowback.
At the very least, if Bulgaria shot down any Russian planes the gas to Bulgaria must be immediately turned off.
To be weak and allow a minnow like Bulgaria to bully Russia like this will only invite further bullying from the West.
Would you have suggested the West should have abandoned West Berlin in 1947 because it was all too hard?
The next step will be the closing of the Bosphorus Straits to the passage of any Russian ships in a few weeks if Russia meekly accepts this Bulgarian directive. So no ship supplies to Syria from the Black Sea.
Oh, but Turkey can’t close the Bosphorus Straits except in wartime you say? This is like taking candy from a kid. Simple. Turkey declares war on Assad/Syyria which then gives Turkey the legal right to close the Bosphorus Straits to all Russian ships.
What do Russia do then? Attack Turkey? A, as you say, NATO country??
How do you think this plays out. If I was Russia I would send aid planes over Bulgaria to Syria against this Bulgarian directive – while also sending the real planes via the Caspian-Iran-Iraq corridor. If, as expected, Bulgaria were to shoot down one of these Russian planes at some stage that would be the perfect pretext to cut off gas supplies to Bulgaria and any country in NATO that supported Bulgaria shooting down the Russian aid plane.
Russia could also at that stage halt overflight rights across Russia for any EU located airlines they wanted.
Just to confirm. The Russians should announce they are only flying humanitarian aid to Syria via overflight of Bulgaria/Greece.
Definitely no weapons.
When (or if) one of these planes is shot down the contents of the plane. Grains, fruits, food packages etc will be revealed as the aid Russia said it was.
No weapons. That would be a PR disaster.
As a Syrian aid plane that would shame the West and shame the gutless Bulgarian Government.
It would be a PR disaster for the West. Russia would only have to make sure they had media on the spot to document the contents of the aid plane.
Can Russia organize that? Surely Russia has thousands of agents in Bulgaria & Greece to make that a piece of cake.
yes, I agree, something like that can and should be done, but it would require nerves of steel. It will be daring Bulgaria to shoot down the plane. The plane crew should have parashutes on just to give themselves better chances of survival.
It’s like some one else posted, it’s a reverse of the Berlin airlift – daring the other side to shoot down those planes.
Bulgaria again mind find themselves fighting on the losing side. And by the way under the Ottomans, Bulgarians were considered a lower class of people. Perhaps is a high time for Russia to learn from their moves.
It’s probably illegal to deny airspace, but Russia has all sorts of means to retaliate.
( http://www.gazpromexport.ru/en/partners/bulgaria/ ussia is the sole exporter of natural gas to Bulgaria. )
On the other hand Bulgaria is out of the way for Russia to fly to Syria anyway — not major problem.
In response, I declare that I will not allow any Bulgarian officials to park in my driveway or walk over my lawn, here in Illinois!
The empire has surpassed by wide margin the boundaries of the ridiculous — I would expect more mature and responsible behavior from a ten year old child.
Is this a joke? (Bulgaria, at least, is a joke; Bulgaria is to laugh at. They did this for bribe for government of a bag of potatoes?).
Is this real or another phony story? (Trying to read news without cynical skepticism now is like trying to raise children without Kleenex — snot and mess gets all over everything.)
Looking at a map, the route wood be dictated by what countries would give them permission for overflights of aid to Syria.
Coming in from the western or northern side would seem to be a no go as that means overflying either Turkey, US or ISIS controlled Iraq and ISIS controlled sections of Syria.
Coming in from the Mediterranean side means flying over the Black Sea between Ukraine and Turkey, a short hop across Bulgaria and Greece and then across the Med to Syria
SouthFront Sept 8th: Another award winning presentation: “Equivalent of a military bubble” love that one. Also . –irony, tongue in cheek, and at the end simply showing the humanity for the wasted legless veteran of the UAF…It’s a Dead end, Kiev, better make the U turn ( watch your posterior, of course) while you can.
this is quite shocking. I never knew Bulgaria is totally bereft of any bone in their leaders bodies. It’s even worse than when Spain etc did not give air space permission for Bolivia’s president’s plane a few years back when US thought the plane is carrying Snowden.
I should add that RF needs to have a response ( a sensible one of course), if all RF does is divert the planes to use a different route, the Hegemon will just continue to ask more countries to do what Bulgaria did, and those other countries will just follow Bulgaria’s footsteps, so as not to make the Hegemon unhappy, *especially if* there is no negative consequences whatsoever coming from the RF!
While everyone is caught distracted by ridiculous minutiae like the great power bulgaria announcing another easter bunny non-sighting, to be further embarrassed when later they find it was really Alice’s white rabbit, anyone care to explain how it is these far more ominous & momentous events are absolutely MIA these past many days?:
America could very well be the guilty hand behind the “accidents” in China.
In fact, the United States (or its stooges) should be considered prime suspect Numero Uno in any suspicious “accidents” in general.
Why?
Because America has long and proud history of state terrorism.
During the Cold War, America or its proxies routinely engaged in bombings of economic or civilan targets in the Communist nations from Cuba to Eastern Europe to China and Russia.
One of the best documented cases of American regime terorism is of course against Cuba for the past 50 years. This includes not only Ameria-sponsored bombings, train derailings, burning of factories and plantations but also biological terrorism in the form of spreading Swine Flu in Cuba in 1971 and Dengue Fever in 1981.
But most Americans–still brainwashed to believe that their USA is (snicker) a “force for good” or the Leader of the Free World–cannot admit that America in reality is the leader in world terrorism.
Another alternative to overflying Bulgaria/Greece on the way to Syria is to route these planes from Russia to Lebanon, and then have Syrian planes/ trucks there take the material where it’s required.
Or fly Russia to Cyprus and transfer to another party, or Russia to Tunisia to achieve the same result – or perhaps most likely given the friendlier relations between the two countries of late – route these flights from Russia to Egypt.
Offer something to the Egyptians to make it worth their while and then you have a commercial transaction between Russia & Egypt that guarantees Assad’s support continues.
Of course, if the Egyptians have any sense they surely realise if Assad falls the next two countries in the sights of the NeoCons for dismemberment and a terrorist campaign are then Iran and of course Egypt.
As if to prove that Einstein is absolutely correct when he said that human stupidity is infinite, here’s Fox news saying that Russian and China plotted the migrant invasion to Europe:
A twisted but interesting article in more ways than one
http://warontherocks.com/2015/09/putin-is-a-far-better-strategist-than-you-think/
Bulgaria blocks Russian overflights to Syria.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-08/war-drums-beating-bulgaria-blocks-russian-access-its-airspace-syria-flights
US asks Greece to block Russian flights to Syria
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-07/major-escalation-washington-demands-greece-blocks-its-airspace-russian-flights-syria
This greatly reminds me of this. The Berlin Airlift.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Blockade
How did The West at the time get around that? They ignored the blockade and kept flying. Daring the Soviets to shoot down their planes. This was a strong response to the Soviet blockade and it worked. The Soviets weren’t prepared to pull the trigger and start World War 3.
Putin and Russia must make the same strong stance now And refuse to be bullied. Challenge Bulgaria & Greece to throw the first punch to start World War 3and risk having their country obliterated in the blowback.
At the very least, if Bulgaria shot down any Russian planes the gas to Bulgaria must be immediately turned off.
To be weak and allow a minnow like Bulgaria to bully Russia like this will only invite further bullying from the West.
There’s a word for it. It’s called appeasement.
Bulgaria is in NATO?
Bulgaria wants to start World War 3?
Would you have suggested the West should have abandoned West Berlin in 1947 because it was all too hard?
The next step will be the closing of the Bosphorus Straits to the passage of any Russian ships in a few weeks if Russia meekly accepts this Bulgarian directive. So no ship supplies to Syria from the Black Sea.
Oh, but Turkey can’t close the Bosphorus Straits except in wartime you say? This is like taking candy from a kid. Simple. Turkey declares war on Assad/Syyria which then gives Turkey the legal right to close the Bosphorus Straits to all Russian ships.
What do Russia do then? Attack Turkey? A, as you say, NATO country??
How do you think this plays out. If I was Russia I would send aid planes over Bulgaria to Syria against this Bulgarian directive – while also sending the real planes via the Caspian-Iran-Iraq corridor. If, as expected, Bulgaria were to shoot down one of these Russian planes at some stage that would be the perfect pretext to cut off gas supplies to Bulgaria and any country in NATO that supported Bulgaria shooting down the Russian aid plane.
Russia could also at that stage halt overflight rights across Russia for any EU located airlines they wanted.
all timed to be current with NATO sea exercises going on at the moment—-hhhmm
Just to confirm. The Russians should announce they are only flying humanitarian aid to Syria via overflight of Bulgaria/Greece.
Definitely no weapons.
When (or if) one of these planes is shot down the contents of the plane. Grains, fruits, food packages etc will be revealed as the aid Russia said it was.
No weapons. That would be a PR disaster.
As a Syrian aid plane that would shame the West and shame the gutless Bulgarian Government.
It would be a PR disaster for the West. Russia would only have to make sure they had media on the spot to document the contents of the aid plane.
Can Russia organize that? Surely Russia has thousands of agents in Bulgaria & Greece to make that a piece of cake.
yes, I agree, something like that can and should be done, but it would require nerves of steel. It will be daring Bulgaria to shoot down the plane. The plane crew should have parashutes on just to give themselves better chances of survival.
It’s like some one else posted, it’s a reverse of the Berlin airlift – daring the other side to shoot down those planes.
Bulgaria again mind find themselves fighting on the losing side. And by the way under the Ottomans, Bulgarians were considered a lower class of people. Perhaps is a high time for Russia to learn from their moves.
You realize the Ottomans considered basically everybody not Turkish a lower race of people right?
It’s probably illegal to deny airspace, but Russia has all sorts of means to retaliate.
( http://www.gazpromexport.ru/en/partners/bulgaria/ ussia is the sole exporter of natural gas to Bulgaria. )
On the other hand Bulgaria is out of the way for Russia to fly to Syria anyway — not major problem.
In response, I declare that I will not allow any Bulgarian officials to park in my driveway or walk over my lawn, here in Illinois!
The empire has surpassed by wide margin the boundaries of the ridiculous — I would expect more mature and responsible behavior from a ten year old child.
Is this a joke? (Bulgaria, at least, is a joke; Bulgaria is to laugh at. They did this for bribe for government of a bag of potatoes?).
Is this real or another phony story? (Trying to read news without cynical skepticism now is like trying to raise children without Kleenex — snot and mess gets all over everything.)
See https://www.rt.com/news/314719-bulgaria-airspace-russia-syria/
Looking at a map, the route wood be dictated by what countries would give them permission for overflights of aid to Syria.
Coming in from the western or northern side would seem to be a no go as that means overflying either Turkey, US or ISIS controlled Iraq and ISIS controlled sections of Syria.
Coming in from the Mediterranean side means flying over the Black Sea between Ukraine and Turkey, a short hop across Bulgaria and Greece and then across the Med to Syria
(Trying to read news without cynical skepticism now is like trying to raise children without Kleenex — snot and mess gets all over everything.)
blue, thank you once again. So true and at same time so funny — always I am grateful for a good chuckle.
SouthFront Sept 8th: Another award winning presentation: “Equivalent of a military bubble” love that one. Also . –irony, tongue in cheek, and at the end simply showing the humanity for the wasted legless veteran of the UAF…It’s a Dead end, Kiev, better make the U turn ( watch your posterior, of course) while you can.
this is quite shocking. I never knew Bulgaria is totally bereft of any bone in their leaders bodies. It’s even worse than when Spain etc did not give air space permission for Bolivia’s president’s plane a few years back when US thought the plane is carrying Snowden.
I should add that RF needs to have a response ( a sensible one of course), if all RF does is divert the planes to use a different route, the Hegemon will just continue to ask more countries to do what Bulgaria did, and those other countries will just follow Bulgaria’s footsteps, so as not to make the Hegemon unhappy, *especially if* there is no negative consequences whatsoever coming from the RF!
YATS IS A TERRORIST
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/hybrid-warrior-yatsenyuk-fought-against.html?m=1
While everyone is caught distracted by ridiculous minutiae like the great power bulgaria announcing another easter bunny non-sighting, to be further embarrassed when later they find it was really Alice’s white rabbit, anyone care to explain how it is these far more ominous & momentous events are absolutely MIA these past many days?:
4th “chemical warehouse/factory” explosion inside China AFTER Tianjin, their Sep8–Tianjin pics here: http://tomatobubble.com/id878.html
US SE seaboard airspace out-of-the-blue reclassification/rearrangement, first since 911;
5 China warships off Alaska somewhere (unless it was really those 50 NK subs that had reported sailed from home port 2 weeks ago!);
big pow-wow by that huge Saudi contingent stateside, seeing the emperor some big discussions on??;
That ridiculous website is claiming the West did it using Star Wars type satellite bombardment.
There is no such capability bro.
America could very well be the guilty hand behind the “accidents” in China.
In fact, the United States (or its stooges) should be considered prime suspect Numero Uno in any suspicious “accidents” in general.
Why?
Because America has long and proud history of state terrorism.
During the Cold War, America or its proxies routinely engaged in bombings of economic or civilan targets in the Communist nations from Cuba to Eastern Europe to China and Russia.
One of the best documented cases of American regime terorism is of course against Cuba for the past 50 years. This includes not only Ameria-sponsored bombings, train derailings, burning of factories and plantations but also biological terrorism in the form of spreading Swine Flu in Cuba in 1971 and Dengue Fever in 1981.
Fifty years of US terrorism against Cuba
http://www.voltairenet.org/article132624.html
US Terrorism Against Cuba
http://www.dominionpaper.ca/chomsky/2003/08/23/us_terrori.html
But most Americans–still brainwashed to believe that their USA is (snicker) a “force for good” or the Leader of the Free World–cannot admit that America in reality is the leader in world terrorism.
Man, off topic, but this writeup on the refugees on fortruss is just simply simply fantastic. I highly recommend everyone to read it:
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/09/2015-invasion-of-europe-balkan-route.html
Fox news Russia and china plotted migrant invasion.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGZjZDAiGQ&ebc=ANyPxKq0mauaQS6CPSwYACtfHnxauYdlKeTnFJG_dMEFhqnzrMLfwjeS5K-6AVY8PKhhMZ2ZDyw-DhKwKSVzYVE0HsKBaber_Q
Another alternative to overflying Bulgaria/Greece on the way to Syria is to route these planes from Russia to Lebanon, and then have Syrian planes/ trucks there take the material where it’s required.
Or fly Russia to Cyprus and transfer to another party, or Russia to Tunisia to achieve the same result – or perhaps most likely given the friendlier relations between the two countries of late – route these flights from Russia to Egypt.
Offer something to the Egyptians to make it worth their while and then you have a commercial transaction between Russia & Egypt that guarantees Assad’s support continues.
Of course, if the Egyptians have any sense they surely realise if Assad falls the next two countries in the sights of the NeoCons for dismemberment and a terrorist campaign are then Iran and of course Egypt.
As if to prove that Einstein is absolutely correct when he said that human stupidity is infinite, here’s Fox news saying that Russian and China plotted the migrant invasion to Europe:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/09/fox-news-russia-and-china-plotted.html