Friends,
I want to share what I consider a very good and useful video discussing what happened during the now famous shootout in Kenosha. I just want to add two things:
First, in my opinion, the single most important advice this video gives is this: don’t go somewhere you would not go without a gun with a gun. Or don’t ever do what you would not do without a gun with a gun.
Second, some of you might recall an article of my about self-defense myths and choices for civilians. I want to repeat here something I wrote in that past article: (red stress added)
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What is the main difference between a civilian and a law enforcement officer?It’s not the gun they carry, nor is it the quality of their training (cops are typically pretty bad shots). It is not the legal right to use deadly force, in self-defense civilians can do that (at least in those jurisdictions which allow civilians to carry a firearm to defend themselves). So what is it? It is the following crucial differences:
When cops hear gunshots they have to go and investigate/intervene whereas when civilians hear gunshots they have to take cover or run.
This is absolutely crucial: law enforcement officers have to enforce the law and protect everybody. Civilians only are allowed to protect themselves (or somebody under their protection) and only until the law enforcement forces show up. This is so important that I want to stress this again: civilians do not have the duty to arrest anybody (even in jurisdictions where so-called “citizens arrests” are legal). Civilians have no business chasing and arresting criminals, they don’t have to initiate a confrontation with gangs, thugs, hooligans, or petty criminals. Civilians do not enforce drug laws (neither should the cops, in my opinion, but that is another topic) and civilians do not make traffic stops. If you are a civilian and you see three thugs going down a one-way street while snorting cocaine and brandishing their guns, you should seek cover and get the hell out of there. Cops are duty bound to immediately intervene. That is a *HUGE* difference.
For civilians firearms are a stop-gap personal protection tool of last resort. It is only when everything else fails that you can produce your weapon and, if that also fails, use it.
Law enforcement officers and civilians live in totally different realities.
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I will believe that failing to make this distinction is one of the three what get so much people in trouble (the other two being 1) not calling 911 first and 2) speaking to cops (*only* your lawyers should do that!).
Anyway, here is that video, I hope you find it useful.
The Saker
PS: this guy is not a cop, but former military. Very reasonable guy.
PPS: for whatever this is worth, I agree that BLM/Antifa are anti-US, they hate this country, but they are not Communists at all, even if they claim otherwise. Communism (Marxism-Leninism) is an objectively existing ideology, not a label to apply to any and all anti-US slogans or movements. BLM/Antifa thugs would be immediately jailed in both Cuba or China, irrespective of their ideological pretexts for violence. My 2cts
Almost everyone is missing the basic problem. As seen in Portland couple or three years ago, LE, Law Enforcement, stood back and watched these very same thugs go after Proud Boys continuously and did virtually nothing, in essence the local constabulary, AND GOVERNMENT, gave these thugs carte blanche to do what they are doing today. Today the crops sown then, the practice and training runs, are coming to harvest. You have entire local governments corrupted top to bottom. Cops arresting rioters, looters and arsonists, taking them down to judges and courts and before the cops are finished with their paperwork, these criminals are literally having the charges dropped and are back in the streets. Cops themselves are ever more reluctant to do their sworn duty, ‘SWORN DUTY’, to protect the citizenry, their property, their safety and well being, because if they do, then they themselves are turned upon by the local governments and court systems and pilloried mercilessly.
What we are witnessing is a steadily growing and catastrophic breakdown of law and order, organized, paid for and directed by I don’t know who, but very obviously these thugs are well trained, well led and well rehearsed. The problem is I’ve seen this identical attempt at local government destruction personally right here in our little village, the same tactics, the same organized aggression by groups of two or three or four person teams who pick a victim and savage him, then stand back and swear on a stack of bibles that he attacked them, the screaming women in the background, the ‘show us your fist for ‘black lives matter’ although for us it was ‘say slava ukraine!’.
While that foolishness got short shrift here, what will happen in good old USA will be repeats of Maidan and the massacres in Mariupol, Odessa and Korsun, instilling fear in the populace. All of this total breakdown of law and order is quietly driving Lord knows how many citizens to vote for Trump in the upcoming goat rope. However, be advised, the ‘insurance policy’ mentioned between Lisa Page and her rod man is honed now and in effect, witness Hillary Diane Rodham telling Biden to not concede the election, ever. I predict that the vote counts will be long and drawn out and state after state will be turned from Trump to Biden with countless ‘suddenly found’ and/or ‘uncounted’ ballots…their dry run being the elections two years ago when the dems came within an ace of gaining the Senate. They tried that with the ludicrous ‘hanging chad’ circus in Florida some years ago, and I watched those clowns doing their machinations live and in living colour. It took SCOTUS to stop that idiocy. However, methinks things might not happen that way again.
Auslander
Author
Sevastopol, The Third Defense. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079KRPLS4 Book 1, A Premonition, The Move South. Set against a backdrop of real events and real places.
When one talk about George Soros, most of the time he is discussed as an individual, but he is far from an individual, he is part of a large organisation running numerous other organisations. And yes, he was behind Ukraine coup d’etat at the time aligned with the president of USA, Barack Obama and Zbigniew Brzezinsky. George Soros cater to the Democratic Socialism with the Rockefellers. George Soros being a former director of CFR (Rothschild syndicate) with David Rockefeller , both of them graduates of the Fabian Society (national socialism) London School of Economics. Both also in the highest elitist “secret organisation” the Comittee of 300 . (ref Dr. John Coleman). Rockefeller is also known for WEF, Club of Rome, Munich Security Conference, Trilateral commision, Rockefeller Foundation, and David Rockefeller was the patriarch, and he is succeeded by others. George Soros today is known for ECFR (EU, Europe), Moveon.org and Open Society Foundations, and also as a financial and political hitman for the Rotshcild Syndicate such as in Ukraine (former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc) .
If we look at funding for Antifa and BLM, George Soros appears with the Rockefeller Foundation.
https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/
It is interesting to note that they also fund widely via other organisations such as Tides Foundation, and W.K. Kellogs Foundation, Ford Foundation, Carnegie, Omidyar Network Fund, etc.
https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/
https://www.influencewatch.org/organization/democracy-alliance-da/
https://www.influencewatch.org/person/george-soros/
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/open-society-foundations/
https://www.influencewatch.org/organization/soros-network-open-society-network/
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/tides-center/
I thouight that the Rockefeller and s”clans” were competitors, not collaborators.
I recall watching a very interesting video here at the Saker of a talk given by a Russian sociologist or maybe historian—very smart. I think it was actually a video of a seminar of some kind, maybe at a university. And he delineated the interests of different oligarchic clans in the Ukraine and also told which American clans were aligned with with groupings of Ukr. clans. I think Poroshenko’s clan was controlled by one of the larger competing clans.
And the Rocks and the Roths were not together.
This was the first time I thought of American oligarchs as being or belonging to clans similar to Mafia “families” etc. plus clans in Ukraine.
All I can recall of this Russian fellow’s name is that maybe it started with A.
Perhaps the Saker can help out here.
Katherine
More training with sniper rifles. Head shots. Night vision gear. Evade and escape training.
Some of the practicals needed in the USA.
What is coming because of the breakdown of Rule of Law in many states and urban metros is warfare.
There are funded and trained terrorist armies (bands, gangs, cells, groups) that will raise the ante until a full insurrection is recognized as such.
They want an armed conflict across all of the USA.
From the looks of it they’re going to get their wish, either before or for certain days after the election. What we have now is civil insurrection, pure and simple.
My friend, I respectfully disagree. What US Americans need most is an accurate understanding of the gun laws. There are WAY too many people in US jails simply because most people have no understanding of what the law really says.
This problem is only made worse by the huge differences in gun laws between the state. What can get you a standing ovation in one state will get you 20 years in another.
Gun laws are tricky and stupid. You MUST understand them if you want to remain free.
When the cops take an hour or two to respond to your 9-11 call for help (Kenosha) because the BLM/Antifa mob of 100 lunatics has descended on your home or business, you can quote them the law.
I prefer mob control with what controls mobs—precise firepower. Threat to life and property is a solid defense.
Merely start the video recorder on your phone, aim and fire and drop the leaders as they cross onto your property.
Kneecap the scumbags. That will slow the mob because bleeding casualties will attract part of the mob to attend to their wounded.
They intend to burn people in their homes and businesses.
I suggest that the best rioter is a 300 bleeding out. He becomes an object lesson to the rest.
That SOB whose arm (bicep) got exploded at close range by Kyle, the shooter in Kenosha, has put the fear of reality in thousands of those loons.
As this insanity grows and threatens suburbs, if the police and sheriffs can’t protect people in their homes, then the war is on. Precise shooting is required. That is why I said training now is imperative.
Those who don’t want to fight, good luck.
Those who understand that marauding mobs are an existential threat, and like the rabid dogs they are, need to be neutralized, get training, get ready.
This will end when law-abiding citizens clean the streets and remove the liberals ruining their states and cities.
It is that elemental. I am not talking about vigilantism. I am talking about self-protection under life-threats.
Lighten up, Francis.
A good word I saw used above was “staged”. Bingo! I have yet to see any conclusive evidence these recent events were real. Think “school shootings” starting with “Sandy Hoax” all the way to “Parkland” with the annoying 20 something “high school kid”. Call it “Potemkin Chaos”, all designed to elicit the types of reactions I read here. Don’t fall for it.
@Saker
That is the paradox. By the time the civil society in general must be learned in the detail of gun law we are at the point exactly when law and order has already broke down. We are past the point of the gun’s dissuasive power. Blaming “communists” and the left as the guy on the video does is laughable.
I hate to agree with L445 view here, but the clear push towards generalization of armed internal conflict is very visible. Whoever, is organizing both sides of the conflict in a descent towards anarchy. Increasing levels of indiscriminate violence on one side and stand down orders on the other.
Trotskyites are focusing on social engineering and their energy is global.
So Kyle was more or less the single person “out there at that time” who was not a specimen of “criminals and pedophiles”? Err..
Based on what I observed in my former home district Kreuzberg in Berlin I cannot imagine that there were no other kids – just young and stupid – who in effect (passively) support those who effectively sabotage the very ends they ostentatiously fight for.
Probably a naive question…..does gun law…civil and criminal law actually get taught in detail in schools colleges?
Gonna go this way?
https://theduran.com/mexico-on-the-brink-of-civil-war/
The following may be viewed as mere attempt to remove from the shooter access to a self-defence protection under the law, but it does substantiate why the advice the guy in the video and The Saker is appropriate as applied to civilians:
This is more than common sense, this underlies a law principle actio libera in causa. I will cite this reference:
How could the Kenosha shooter be considered himself a provocateur before the law, specially if under the circumstances the obvious provocateurs were his shooting victims? Because he may have put himself in the situation that made his lethal defence necessary. Again:
The Kenosha shooter, despite his provable good intentions, put himself alone surrounded by rioters, with the lethal means to defend himself, yet with dubious access to invoke self-defence if he had to resort to those means.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the Saker on this. IMO you are right if the talk is about normal circumstances. This event wasn’t. If police is not allowed to do its job, than all gloves are off. If in this context someone commits looting, rioting, arson and all the other fav. crimes of scum, you have all the reason to intervene; without question. In this context it’s often live or die and deadly force is necessary. That any resistance will be used to punish you for that through law-fare etc. is a given. Maybe jail as a consequence too, but certainly not if self defense is a mass phenomena. I don’t even think you can prevent further escalation, both sides won’t back down. I think we are in the early stages of a civil war.
The elites will only intervene, if it becomes a threat to their interest and existence. There is a lot of room to maneuver.
I’m also absolutely not convinced, that this cannot become a civil war – not in the commonly understood American context – but a more low key diffuse multi-group, interstate, city/hinterlands war. Democrats are mostly concentrated in big agglomerations and saboteur operations against key infrastructure would spell the end of any big agglomeration. Military or police be damned, guerilla war against the USM has proven this beyond a doubt. It would be the exact opposite, in that the military would be demoralized/disorganized/fractured very, very fast.
“If police is not allowed to do its job, than all gloves are off. If in this context someone commits looting, rioting, arson and all the other fav. crimes of scum, you have all the reason to intervene; without question. ”
That doesn’t really sound right to me.
We get it hammered into our heads: Don’t take vigilante action. Call the police if you see something going down.
OK the police might not come. But there is a difference between defending your own property and going somewhere to defend someone else’s, esp. if they have not asked you to.
I imagine this might look different if you *happen* to be in an area and you see someone injured. Then, seems to me, the good Samaritan rule would take over and you should help the person. You then do have a reason for intervening.
Maybe if you see someone else actually attacked you have a good (legal) reason for “intervening” with a weapon, but you would need very good video proof of the leadup circumstances.
These are just my commonsense thoughts. No professional qualifications here.
But I think the guy in the video probably does know what he is talking about.
The long and short of it seems to be: Don’t go out looking for trouble.
You probably cannot handle it, and even if you can, it might just wreck the rest of your life.
Cheers, Katherine
Yes, all of my arguments pertain to the case, that the state/ government/ legitimate law enforcement abdicates its duties to protect the lives and livelihood of its citizens. In German this level of law is called “Rechtsgut erster Ordnung” i.e. article of law of the first order. It doesn’t get more basic than this. Fools don’t get the implication if you violate these basic principles of civilization. It doesn’t give you the right to commit “crimes” but therefore we enter a space of lawlessness; as now we are moving on personal ethical and moral grounds i.e. reasons to intervene – if you break down the basic lawful order – you get the jungle.
In his case he went there to prevent the destruction of property. But yes, I agree with all the problems that follow from his action. All I’m saying is, don’t accept a state of anarchy (by accepting riots and not deploying the NG) and than act surprised by unfolding events.
I do not know why there is opposition to the simple thing of knowing the gun laws and what constitutes self-defense in your state. To my mind, it should be part of weapons training. This is a thing that always worried me, the sheer amount of weapons in the US vis a vis the number of people on the range, learning their weapons and learning the skills of weaponized self-defense. This can keep you out of jail, it can stop excess killing and killing for thrills, and of course, if you still have your wits about you, do not speak to the police but call an attorney.
One more thing, if you are a young adult going out to ‘protect’ something, please do not go alone. Again, the skill of weaponized self-defense. Get to the range, get a good instructor and do this before you take part in keeping the streets safe.
Things are gradually spiraling out of control. The mob feels alive whenever they act out. So they will keep doing it.
Btw I felt nothing listening to the guy whose biz got burned down – nothing. I was like – yea whatever, don’t care… Very liberating.
It’s kinda comical to read people still debating ‘communists – yes or no’ …. Lol so out of touch.
“Btw I felt nothing listening to the guy whose biz got burned down – nothing. I was like – yea whatever, don’t care… Very liberating.”
Huh? I don’t understand.
Are you a rioter?
I felt terrible for the guy, and his parents. He was actually holding back tears.
Have you ever lost everything?
Sorry to say this, but you sound like an odd bird to me.
Katherine
No Katherine, I am not a rioter.
I have been caring about others and warning them endlessly that they are on the wrong path. Few listened. Now that the ignorants are hurting – I have no more empathy to share. And this is just the beginning. The anger cannot be rolled back anymore. It has to play itself out.
It will play itself out.
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The Saker
PPS: for whatever this is worth, I agree that BLM/Antifa are anti-US, they hate this country…
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Eh? Really? So basically, the same right-wing talking points that have been used for decades…which are clearly not helping the situation, otherwise, surely, the US wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place?
yes, really.
when you paraphrase (“so basically”) you are creating a strawman, not replying to something I wrote.
try better next time
Agree.
This is actually very good!
Worth watching.
Katherine
“Kyle”, 17, does not live there…… operative! The “shooting” that kicked this round off looks fake. Watch the cop’s pistol. No recoil, no cycling, no casings….you’d think the gun wasn’t fired at all….and you’d be right. The cops, the pols and the media are the enemy here, not “made for TV “Antifa, BLM, or “white ” whatever. This activity is a crime called “sedition” and Trump seems to be part of the cast too.
Thanks for posting the video – very interesting.
It has been obvious to me that rich and powerful interests are funding the leadership of the street movements while they laugh all the way to the bank. The people on the streets they manipulate are disposable trash that don’t have the brains to know it.
This reminds me of a neighborhood in the Netherlands where families were being attacked by thugs and the police did nothing. The people finally talked to a motorcycle club in the neighborhood for help. The club responded – no more thugs.
If city and state authorities do not stop the street thugs then I see something similar – gun clubs and ex-military will start organizing to protect their neighborhoods. The killing of a Trump supporter recently in Portland has, I think, lit the fuse to the beginning of people organizing to protect themselves. Note that the thugs early on said they planned to go into the neighborhoods which is happening in Portland and elsewhere. This is Mad Max America?
The guy in the video pointed out that Kyle wasn’t part of an organized group.
So, that is a big difference.
Don’t try being a Rambo.
Join a group!!
And strategize and practice with them.
Like a sports team.
Don’t wait to until you are on the field to work out some good plays.
Katherine
Trump’s ‘America’ is still chicken-sh#ts, scared & hiding behind the (by now clearly dead letter of the) law.
What they should be doing is rioting and burning down the jail house Kyle is being kept. Clearly, rioting and burning buildings down is not illegal – per police. So do it.
I remember a 80s or 90s American movie, where the whole beach town gathered to free some few jailed college kids.
I hope that murdering punk teen gets life in prison. You dont bring an AR to be a counterprostester unless you have premeditated plans to use it on unarmed people.
If I hadn’t lived in N America, worked with Americans, had & have American friends, looking at & listening to what the presenter of this video had to say, my take would be that the folks of this yankee place are totally crazy, but I know better about the ordinary folks. The leadership, as in forever, & this rep of the ‘lawful’ armed forces(?) explain the chaos & destruction they create & their always lost wars. But what do they care if there’s money in death & destruction. This presenter explains a failed state living off lesser people’s & now eating itself …. if this continues.
In places like Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, or any similarly “managed” cities, if the current, mainstream narratives prevail, the hapless residents may as well just cede to BLM/antifa, because that “movement” will inevitably win, without outside intervention.
Especially given the credo, “Don’t ever do what you would not do without a gun with a gun.” And I’m not saying they lose because they need to be vigilantes, I’m saying they lose because there is no path to success at all, with or without guns, given the entire legal and social landscape that has been flipped from a tool to ensure mutual accountability, but is now weaponized against more just and moral citizens.
Official deference to Portland “protestors” goes back to at least 2016/2017, and anyone defending themselves would be prosecuted/jailed; the only recourse for citizens was to submit and just take their beating. That message has only gotten stronger.
In 2017, Micheal Strickland, a valid licensed CCW, was surrounded by “protestors,” wearing masks and carrying poles, calling him a racist, aggressively advanced toward him, pushing him. He tried to retreat for over a block, still surrounded, and he finally pulled his pistol and they backed off. While ceasing the threat and nobody was fired upon or hurt, it was Strickland that was arrested, jailed 40 days, barred from ever owning another firearm for life, because the judge said his effort of self-defense, “…didn’t alleviate the fear Strickland instilled in his victims.” This was not a case of word-against-word, but was entirely caught on video and apparently Strickland’s fear was irrelevant.
For several years, “protestors” (a.k.a. BLM/antifa) chose random Portland streets to take over, broad daylight, then proceed to terrorize any unsuspecting motorists, screaming, smashing, assaulting; They are merely observed from a distance and condoned. Many videos confirm police standing in background, observing and mayor Wheeler is also police commissioner so stand down order presumed from him.
If somehow a “protestor” gets arrested, even for arson or violence during a riot, Portland DA releases, no charges. This is documented and confirmed in recent sheriff statements given from two adjacent counties in response to governor Brown, where they officially criticize the practice.
“protestors” mob you and you draw a gun for defense, even without firing, you go to jail and prevented from every legally carrying a gun again. (see Strickland above)
“protestors” violence caught on viral video, nobody can seem to figure out the perpetrators until 4chan makes it known and that goes viral too. (see Marquise Love and the blindside kick and also recent killing at a Trump rally…both times 4chan IDs perp, not LE, despite “fusion centers” and presumably sophisticated mass surveillance for terrorists). Turns out the recent shooter had already been arrested for an illegal, loaded gun during earlier “protest” but was released, charges dropped by the DA, no reason given.
The only violence in Portland, is due to Trump’s racist supporters, per Wheeler and Brown statements after last weekend’s shooting death…of the unwitting, unaware rally attendee that was apparently ambushed. Never mind the 90+ days of prior rioting and violence before a Trump rally ever showed up…reconcile that?
Oregon Public Broadcasting recently reminded us that riot is a term rooted in racism.
Now go to Minneapolis, where blocks are burned. The answer, per their council members, they now pledge to dismantle their police department. So now the situation is that police initially advise residents, in a written press release, not to fight back in the event they are the victim of a robbery. 911 calls go unanswered and some people are explicitly advised, “you are on your own.” Fascinating firsthand account from a Minneapolis resident here: https://youtu.be/B0axvDjLMwk?t=1372
On to Kenosha, where an anecdotal video shows a local business owner with a fire extinguisher, his building on fire, people looting, where he is brutally blindsided to the head, because many rioters become violent against people that attempt to prevent the destruction and looting. https://thepostmillennial.com/kenosha-rioters-attack-business-owner-as-he-tries-to-fend-them-off
An interesting tie-in, from this unrelated incident, actually answered a question about the Kyle Rittenhouse encounter I had been wondering about @ 1:08 of video, is the bottle on steps. From the article, “Gatorade bottle which can be seen next to him and appears to be filled with cement—an increasingly common weapon used by rioters in the U.S.” That solved a brief mystery for me, concerning one small detail, in the Rittenhouse ordeal. Video shown of Rosenbaum earlier, cylidrical objects could be seen in the bag he would later throw. However, different witness accounts were he threw a bottle, yet another says a brick. Now I know, it was probably one and the same…a bottle of cement is a brick, so now the accounts square.
The table is tilted in favor of the “protestors” all over the media, social internet…everywhere. If you criticize the “protestors” you can be fired from your jobs. Doxxed online and terrorized by mobs at your homes if they find you. If you resist the “protestors” unarmed, they will beat you senseless, or shoot you. If you resist the “protestors” while armed, but not inflicting any physical harm, you will be arrested, imprisoned and stripped of your right to future armed defense. Now we see in the case of Kyle, if you successfully defend yourself while armed, you will be charged with murder, because the narrative spun up all over every news channel is that you are a racist and intended killing all along. The mayor helps this narrative, the state governor helps this, and most insidiously important is that the prosecuting attorney/DA furthers that same narrative; you can do nothing other than just sit and take it, because every legal avenue will be used against you, the upstanding citizen trying to defend.
So, in the case of that Kenosha small business owner, either stays home and his life goes up in smoke, or taking heed of the credo to not go armed, because who would go in the midst of that riot armed, tries to save the building with the fire extinguisher, and gets knocked cold while doing so. Multiply that by 100 owners, 200 owners…knowing they should never go to a riot armed, but don’t want to wind up dead or in the hospital, watch their lives go up in smoke…because watch all the buildings burning in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis…you see no fire response either; fire depts. aren’t gonna go to a riot either. And since police are disbanded/defunded/restricted from any riot control tools, they can’t do anything either. So you get that 911 operator, just like in Minneapolis, telling you, “sorry, you are on your own.”
Watching all of the available video, Kyle and crew did not use those weapons to enforce any sort of protection, but rather either pleaded to reason that the businesses were not culpable to alleged police brutality and in the case of the gas station, it might blow everyone up. Kyle put out at least two fires I could find…one at a church and I think another one at the lot or station, with a fire extinguisher; the property protection they provided was not at the barrel of a gun, rather to mitigate risk among the crazies. But preventing the rioter fires is what got him into trouble with Rosenbaum. Without the gun, Rosenbaum would have still been enraged about the extinguisher and beat him senseless. However with the gun, Kyle did not get beaten, and now he is charged by the DA for murder while defending himself amidst assault by brick, pistol, blunt objects, bats, poles, and 16 other gunshots against him, even after the very first gunshot was not even fired by him, either.
So, given our credo, everyone like Kyle and all the business owners should stay home, in order to let the police stand back and watch the town burn. You can’t go near a dangerous place with a gun, and with a gun, no matter what, you will be the person charged with crime. Hence, without outside intervention, these places undoubtedly will burn.
Just a question. Change the setting. If a pro Lukashenko counterprotester used a military style weapon to shoot 3 unarmered protesters killing 2, would that not be viewed as Lukashenko’s state provocation against dissent?
If that Lukashenko supporter was under attack by those protesters who were also part of the lumpen criminal class.And shot them under self-defense. Then no it wouldn’t be a provocation.
So you think the lumen proltatiate needs not live? Which side would you fall on in The 3rd Riech? Thought you people were Russians .
What does your red herring, irrelevant question have to do with anything? Also, your implication is probably supposed to be some sort of analogy, but then you changed to unarmed, which is a factually untrue alteration, since all 3 of Kyle’s assailants attacked with a potential weapon, one with an actual firearm and undisputed shots were fired prior to Kyle ever pulling his own trigger. Counterprotestor? Only thing being “protested” by Kyle was using a fire extinguisher so they didn’t successfully burn down the church or car sales lot, which isn’t much of a counterprotest if the “peaceful protestors” are really protesting police brutality. Pro-Lukashenko equals what…just looking at the facts of that night, I didn’t see Kyle sporting any sort of sentiment that is supposed to be a support for something that might be construed as opposed to whatever it is you might be thinking runs counter to whatever antifa’s mission is…which I suppose probably really does come down to just the fire extinguisher.
And you can also ditch the loaded adjectives lamely used to emotionally amp up your ridiculous post, too…”military style”
OK, it took me a minute, but I realize what the “pro Lukashenko counterprotester” is for. Post-facto, I now realize that some people found Kyle pro-police and a Trump rally attendance photo, so that is probably supposed to be the analogy here.
We could do the same for the other three, using your fallacy…we also know, post-facto that one of the assailants committed forcible rape upon a minor, another strangulation and the third, burglary. So on that night, we presume that Rosenbaum was chasing the 17 year old, a minor, Kyle to rape him, Huber attempted to strangle him when he bashed and then grabbed at him, and Grosskreutz graduated from burglary and was now robbing at gunpoint. Fallacies can work both ways.
Not a fallacy, just now us non fascist must carry arms too.
Correction, that is not a “new” or “now” situation as the participants in these gatherings already were, and always have been armed…there were 16 other gunshots during Kyle’s ordeal, and the first shots were not Kyle’s.
I think we have forgotten the old truism best said by Mao “Power comes from the barrel of a gun”.The reason that we had a civilized society where citizens didn’t need to walk the streets armed.Was because mostly unseen in the background was a strong police and military force ready to use that power if needed to keep the average citizen safe.For political reasons the last decades has seen that protection force attacked and vilified. And not being allowed to enforce order.The way things are going is that soon the citizens themselves will hearken to Mao’s words and form militia’s nationwide to assume the power neglected by their local power centers.It doesn’t have to be that way.But if those power centers continue to “lose the consent of the governed”.Then there will be no other choice if you want to see yourself and your families safe from violence.
I dissent against my government but dont agree with looting. I own weapons but am responsible enough not to take them to protest. We dont need to kill each other over state sanctioned shootings by police. At any rate you try not to hit unarmed people if you must fire. Maybe my SKS should come with me on the September 5th protest. Both sides need arms apparently.
I realize RT is a somewhat conservative site. However, many of the comments reflect racism and blanket support for authority. Perhaps you’re not aware of US history of slavery and systematic racism. How does a person of color cope with seeing people just like them murdered on camera by police? Do you realize that the US has only 4% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s prisoners? Do you realize that people struggling for freedom are *ALWAYS* denigrated and smeared and portrayed as criminals? Lastly, I would remind about karma, if you are considering classes of people or ethnic groups to be somehow below you, *YOU* have a big problem and unfortunately are in for a hellish time. (pun intended).
Comrade or friend or bro Daniell.I Agree.Im not black, but mix of Latino, Cherokee and Irish. But I stand with defence of human rights and against all forms of racism. Fascism is only rising again because bloodlines are changing with mixed races.