by Oxandabaratz
Two weeks ago, Saturday 25th of July, in Kiev, Ukrainian capital, there has been a demonstration at the Russian embassy. This demonstration has not been like others, when masses of banderites were threatening to assault the embassy, but a quite pathetic one: with 50 attendants, more or less. But what was special of this demonstration was the leitmotiv for it: it was a demonstration to ask for the release of “Russian political prisoners”.
What kind of “Russian political prisoners” they refer to, is quite clear by the date of the demonstration itself, the 25th of July, the day the Government of the Russian Federation and its president, Vladimir Putin, passed a law against ethnic hatred. And it must be a real coincidence that, around those days, the far-right activist Ilya Goryachev, accused of killing some political opponents (a delicious coincidence was that Goryachev’s lawyer was Mark Feigin, the same man who defended the “anarchic-feminist” music band Pussy Riot as well as the Ukrainian pilot Nadiya Savchenko) was sentenced to life-imprisonment.
So, it was clearly a march to demand the release of the Russian far-rightist prisoners, not generically Russian prisoners. A demonstration expressing solidarity between Russian ultranationalists and those in the post-Maidanite, and rabidly anti-Russian, Ukraine.
The demonstration at the Russian embassy of Kiev was not convoked by rare or clandestine groups, but by groups made mainstream by the Maidan Massacres: Right Sector, Azov Battalion, Social-Nationalist Assembly and a curious group called “Petr i Mazepa”, which calls themselves “the voice of Russian nationalists in Ukraine who respect Ukrainian nationalism” (that is, a trial to reconcile both identities for the sake of “nationalism”).
The attendance was full of the stars of the Russian Nazi movement, among them, Ilya Bogdanov, the ex-FSB officer who defected to the Junta’s side, because of “political dissenting of authoritarianism” , as the Maidanite press and their mouthpieces in Euro-NATO countries proclaimed, but because of ideological affinity, as we know now. A curious sample of Nazi-Fascist “Internationalism”… and a serious blow to the Euro-liberal narrative on this conflict.
Not one European liberal has tried to explain the reason of this demonstration and not one of them could make clear why the Russian adherents to the Ultra-nationalist movement as Fascism can “betray their nation” in favor of the enemy nation. Of course, an average intelligent person (a.k.a. not brainwashed by NATO-media) can see on this just “ideological affinity” (not different from the Russian Vlasovite movement, Croat Ustashe or French Collabos or Doriotistes during WWII), but this is an anathema for Liberals, which try very hard to “de-ideologize” the conflict.
European liberals, and amongst all European Left Liberals, love to bash Russian president Vladimir Putin as an “accomplice of the far-right” in the worst or “somebody who turns a blind eye into the right’s growth” in the worst. European Liberals (Left or Right), committed to their own Euro-supremacist geopolitical, treat as “nationalist”, “backward”, “populist”, “dangerous for Human Rights”, “ethicists” or “authoritarian” EVERY political project which resists to it (as well as Bolivarianism, Communism, Baathism, or Russian Statism), to the extent that Putin-slandering has become normalized amongst them.
The slandering of the Novorossiyan partisans as “backward Orthodox expansionists” is not rare either. This strategy has been successfully exploited in an attempt to prepare the Western leftist minds, to accept or praise the Soros-engineered color revolutions, in the name of the “democratization” and/or “the fighting against the authority” (‘crowds in the streets’ is a very pleasant image for the Leftists of all colors, and if ideologically we are not beware, we can be easily tricked).
The favorite trick of those liberals is to “de-ideologize” the struggle of the Donbass people for their survival and to present this war as “Putin-driven imperialism” of only “two nationalisms in an ethnic war.” The main purpose of those liberal intellectuals (particularly of those placing themselves at the political Left) was to “demote” of “delegitimize” the antifascist and anti-oligarchic character of Novorossiya, as this newborn project sat in their 25th July of 2014 declaration , or the different statements of Novorrosiya, DPR and LPR in favour of socialization of the public means, health and educational system, bringing back power to the people from oligarchs, and limiting foreign economic colonization.
In fact the public ideology of Novorossiya lays much more in the “social axis” of the revision of the 1991 catastrophe, and in the assumption of the “positive social aspects” of USSR (with this I am not saying that all Novorossiyan politicians are Marxists or Communists, but that the Soviet State and the social welfare it grants are much present in the Novorossiyan rebellion: continuous claims to workers to fight the oligarchs are made).
In fact, the favorite sport of Leftist liberals is to portray the non-Euro-NATO (geo)-political projects as “reactionaries” and try to lure the current European Leftists into not supporting those projects/States/ideologies. They do that every time they can do it and get away with it: in 1991-1995 and 1999 in Serbia/Yugoslavia, after 2011 in Libya and Syria, now in Novorossiya, in the past in the USSR… (I cannot list all cases, forgive me please).
The Euro-leftist ideologue is an European imperialist one firstly and a Leftist one next, so for its followers, the ideological axis is to submit to the European supremacy. That’s why all Leftist, anti-imperialist or just progressive movements are delegitimized for them, from every imaginary angle, because it may be “nationalist” (forgetting that is not anything such nationalist as the Anglo-French-German colonization), it may be “traditionalist” or “authoritarian” (those who do not want to submit to free-market, Western values), or “militarist” (those who want to defend their livelihoods, rather than to “beg” for a “better treatment” by the masters of the world).
They suffer from the traditional ‘Oedipus complex’: they pray their ideological purity to Leftist ideas, but have no idea of how to overcome them, because of their fear for their “Master” (and because, in general, they come from upper-class families).
In the case of Russia and Novorossiya, the narrative of Euro-NATO-imperialists of all colors tries to see in Novorossiya the “Putin’s proxy”, or the “creation of the Kremlin”. That’s it. They demote the clear imperialist implication of the Maidan happenings (via diplomatic pressure, via NGO-funding, via the Maidan cookies of Nuland or via NATO-Estonian training of UNA-UNSO militants) against a democratically-elected Government. Add to that the military assistance from NATO for the new coup-Government; but they can believe every fake of Junta or NATO press about any fake “Russian invasion” in the Donbass, just because the fact of people’s resistance against the “European paradise” is just unbearable for them (at the same time, the presence of US Army in Ukraine, the Blackwater or “Academi” presence, or the NATO assistance is systematically silenced). Another theme of this Liberals is to denounce the “fascist//nationalist element” within the Novorossiyan Armed Forces. As the Italian Voxkomm community has shown, fascists do not make not even a miserable 1% in the Novorossiyan ranks (see image below)
This can be compared to the heavy Banderite presence in the Junta-occupied, fascist over-presence: from the omnipresence of the red-black flag, the instauration of the 14th of October (anniversary of the foundation of UPA) as the “Day of Ukrainian Defender”) , the SBU leader giving speeches for Pravyi Sector , Poroshenko greeting with “Slava Ukrajini, Herojam Slava!” , the over-presence of this slogan, the revision of history… but not-reader of Western press has never read about it, because of the previously said fact: the idea is to “de-ideologize” the conflict, to darken the real reasons or real facts (the revolt of the South-East Ukraine against the imposition of the unilateral vision of the “Ukraine” in Western eyes and the revolt of workers against oligarchy).
This lie has been very skillfully built by the way of confusing “nationalists”, “monarchists”, “rightists” with “fascists”. In fact, of course, not all nationalists and not all rightist are fascists, and not all rightist nationalist are fascist. To spouse the Russian Whites or Monarchy (ideas which I disagree) does not make a person a Nazi. In fact, there are much more Russian fascists in the Junta ranks, mostly in the volunteer battalions, than in the entire Novorossiyan army .
Nazis against their homeland: a brief explanation
After talking and refuting the liberal narrative-construction on the Novorossiyan conflict and Russian situation, let’s explain the motives for Russian Nazis to stand with the Ukrainian Junta.
If we have a quick glance at the demonstration at the Russian embassy in Kiev, we will see that a big banner, signed by “Reconquista” (the international ideological project of Azov Battalion), with the motto: “Today Ukraine, tomorrow Russia and [the] whole [of] Europe”.
This shows, of course, the aim to “internationalize” the conflict on an ideological basis. Ultranationalists or radical Rightists on one side, and “others” in the other side; with the “exportation” of this “National revolution” to Russia as the first stage. But why do Russian Nazis and fascists spout this idea and, moreover, on what basis?
If we rely on the words of the Russian Nazis or Radical Rightists, we notice that a survey held before the 2014 Russian March in VKontakte [Russian, ВКонтакте, literally “in touch”]. As most readers likely know, the Russian March is an annual demonstration by the Russian Right on the National Day, the 4th of November. In this survey, a broad 56.6% of the participants in the Russian March, said that this March was to express solidarity “to the brotherhood of Ukraine and Russia and rejection of Vatnik chauvinism” (image below)
This is, they sided with Ukrainian Junta against Novorossiya. There is also a video of that Russian March, which shows that the majority of the parties taking part in it, had an anti-Novorossiyan position . But that fact is not very rare position: one of the organizers of Russian March, Denis Tyukin, said in 2014 that “ all Russian nationalist youth is supporting Ukraine ”. Tyukin, member of the National-Socialist party “Russkie” had been also in the demonstration of 25th of July in Kiev (image below).
And it is not only Tykin, the head of the Russkie movement, Dmitry Dyomushkin, has called in the past for a “Slavic March” in Ukraine to express support for Ukrainian nationalists .
If we come to the Ukraine, we can find the fascist and vlasovite “philosopher,” Yegor Prosvirnin in the early days in the Maidan, as he stated to the Ukrainian Maidanite Hromadske TV . And Prosvirnin is not alone, in fact a lot of Russian “nationalists” are fighting in Ukraine against Novorossiya. We have the aforementioned Ilya Bogdanov, but there was also Roman Zheleznov , who is shown sporting a red-black Banderite flag during a demonstration in Moscow, on the 1st of May, back in 2014.
Both Bogdanov and Zheleznov fight in Azov Battalion nowadays and are members of Restrukt neonazi movement ( here you can see a photo of Zheleznov with the newly condemned Ilya Goryachev, the defended of lawyer Mark Feigin, who also defended Pussy Riot ). And talking about the ‘Restrukt Movement’ in Russia, we also have to mention the two imprisoned members in Russia: Nikolay Korolev and Maksim Martsinkevich “Tesak”, who wrote letters from a Russian prison expressing their support for the Ukrainian Junta .
It’s particularly interesting is the case of “Tesak”, who became famous in the Western media as the organizer of razzias against Gay people, resulting in the Western media to proclaim he was “a hooligan in service of Putin”. No one in the Western media reported that Tesak had been arrested in Cuba, on orders of Russian Interpol, or that he was jailed in Russia. Nor did they inform anyone about the support of Tesak for the Ukrainian Junta.
Thus the following is clear to me: all the “stars” of Russian Nazism are or were in support of Ukrainian fascism. But now we have to understand the reasons for that. In fact, the demonstration of the 25th of July at the Kiev Russian Embassy, gives us some of the clues. The organizer of that demonstration, Olena Semenyaka (member of some “Ukrainian Traditionalist Club” and one of the main ideologists of the Azov Battalion and Pravyi Sektor), has made as one of her ideologies key posts, the struggle for a “white Europe fostered with traditional values”.
Semenyaka, a reader of Heidegger and Jünger, proponent of the “European Reconquista” for the White supremacism, is one of the major proponents of the “recovering of Russia” for the European cause. Of course, the “Russia” she talks about, has nothing in common with the real Russia. She talks about a ‘White Russia’, a “pure Russia”… insert in white Europe; not in a Russia home for different peoples, as a counter-balance against the West (which the real Russia is pursuing).
That’s why her attacks are on the “Russian State” or “multiethnic Russia” or the “Putinist neo-Soviet Union”, rather than “Russia,” because her vision of the current Russian State as a multinational homeland in the Soviet tradition. This view, the Russian Federation as the Neo-Soviet Union, is a view shared by the Russian nationalists.
Both of them, Semenyaka’s Ukrainian nationalists and Dyomushkin and Tyukin’s Russian nationalists, agree that the present Russian Federation is a State which “denationalized the Slavic Russians”. And this is what Western liberals, targeting European Leftists, want to conceal. In fact, the vision of the ‘Russia of Putin’ (whom I politically disagree with) and the Russian Nazis is VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
And here we go down with the Russian political tradition. In her history, Russian has not viewed herself as a nation State, home for an only political nation. Russia has viewed herself not as a nation-State, but as an ideocratic-State (the two last Romanovs, Aleksandr III and Nikolay II probably are the exception to the rule), as well as under the Tsarist rule (the Orthodox traditionalist State), under the Soviet rule (the Socialist Internationalist State) and also by now, the Putin rule (the multipolarist State). This view as an ideocratic-State of Russia is what is seen in Novorossiya: an ideocratic-State, a State that opposes equally the free-market liberalism (as for stressing collectivism, collective idea), Western-centrism (geopolitically alternative) and national exclusivism. Fascism and Nazism are opposed to this.
Semenyaka’s ideology seems to be echoed by Russian “nationalists” (brackets, because “nationalist” is the word they use). Of course not all Russian nationalists spouse this views. There are the traditionalists, the monarchists, the nostalgics of White Idea which support Novorossiya. But this ones are Russian nationalists (of course than me, as Communist, disagree with them) which lay down in the Russian political tradition of the strong Russian Tsardom. This is rather a Conservative, pre-modern political thought. But it has little to do with Fascism (in its pure version). Fascism a product of Western Modernism, of the anti-Materialist variant. Fascism (as Liberalism) in Russia is linked with the pro-Western élites and/or fringe groups. That’s why, both factions in Russia, Radical Right and Liberals have come together in their support of Junta-Ukraine. Both see in the present Ukraine as the “European Russia”, the “Russia which has escaped from Statism to be a nation”; and in the present Russia as a “semi-tartaric, non-European” neo-Soviet State” which “enslaves” Russian nationals. Some “nationalist” writers have traced an idea of Aleksandr Nevski as a “traitor” of the “real Rus” because of his decision of allying with Mongols against Teutonics “cut Russia from Europpe”, “chose the State before the nation”. Their idea (and more in this post-WWII times, when Nazis have made of “Europe” rather of “great Germany” the center of their idea), is to undo the ideocratic way, to “Europeanize Russia” (the same of the liberals, ones by the free-market way, and the other by the racial war way). Of course, both “Europeanizers of Russia” are being the new puppets of NATO’s geostrategists, just as some radical leftist youngsters had been in the color revolutions (some radical leftists, fortunately not of all!)
So, after examining their common enemies (Soviet Union, idiocratical Russia) and their common worldview (White Europe), we can clearly see the sympathy of Russian Nazis for Ukrainian Junta and their common struggle, that has made Russian radical rightists to fight and die in the oppression of “pro-Russian Novorossiya”.
And, with that in mind, we can see more clearly the hoax of the Western Liberal (official of fake-Leftist) narrative of assimilating Putin to Russian Nazis, and then Russian Nazis to Novorossiya. The coda of this Liberal hoax is when we see ex-Gladio (NATO) terrorists as Stefano Delle Chiaie supporting Azov , Green Members of European parliament as Rebecca Harms giving speeches with flags of Svoboda , or Czech MEPs as Jaromir Stetina inviting neo-Nazi Andriy Biletsky to the European Parliament .
This article has been written to explain a bit of the reality that media is hiding from us. I am very aware of my own limitations, so I will thank comments that can help to make this topic more precise.
Oxandabaratz ( Member of Euskal Herriko Antiinperialistak//Basque Antiimperialist Network )
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- “Petr i Mazepa”, which bears the names of the Tsar Peter the Great and the “Ukrainian” Cossack Hetman Ivan Mazepa (which, according to the Ukrainian nationalists was the “first Ukrainian independence fighter against Muscovy”), which fought each other in the Battle of Poltava in 1709, when Mazepa helped the Swedish King Charles XII against Russians (the Cossack-Swedish coalition was defeated). By bearing this two names, the first “Imperator” of Russia and the “first Ukrainian nationalists”, “Petr i Mazepa” wants to “reconcile Russian nationalists with Ukrainian nationalists in a common fight” (against multiethnic Russian State, Putinism, neo-Sovietism… whatever). The project of “Petr i Mazepa” is to build in the South-East a “Russian (uni-) national Federated State” within an “independent Ukrainian (uni-) national State”. This far-rightist group’s aim, came 100% in the same line as the NATO-Imperialist dreams: to foster an (ideologically and geopolitically) anti-Russian but nationally Russian State to counter the alternative pole of the Russian Federation.
What many don’t understand (and the article tries to explain),is that the “Brown Revolution” of these fascist groups cuts across nationality.Groups like the RS and Azov in Ukraine are “somewhat” different than their brother fascists in Svobada and other Bandera parties.The pure Bandera West Ukrainian groups are ethnic nationalist fascists.To them Russians and others are only enemies.But while the same is true of the others in some cases.In general their “fascism” doesn’t exclude Russians (some of them have Russian backgrounds),fascism is the common thread for them.In Russia you have similar,though more split fascist groups.The Ukrainian war has split Russian fascists (or far right,if you like).Some of them support their fascist “brothers” in Ukraine.And have gone to fight with them.While others see themselves as “Russians first”.Some of them have gone to fight against the killers of Russians in Donbass.Some others are being quiet,not wanting to take sides.As long as both Ukrainian and Russian fascists were both on the “outside” of their countries political systems they heavily co-operated in a “Brown Brotherhood”.But now with the Ukrainian ones on the “inside”.And the Ukrainian junta being Russophobic,it has split some of the inner fascist brotherhood.Now to me both groups are trash,needing a prison cell or gallows.But still I studied a bit about them under the theory of “know thy enemy”.
As best I can make out, Bob, these people are racialists rather than nationalists. If that’s not it, then they’re just hopelessly confused.
You could say that,in a way.But I used ethnic nationalists instead because all the groups involved on both sides are the same race (Caucasian).
Seamus, these people are primarily psychopaths. Rich, powerful psychopaths manipulate poor, disenfranchised, psychopaths to do their dirty work, and relax and watch the loot flow in from their serial exploitations. The global capo di tutti capi of the ruling psychopaths operates out of Mordor-on-the-Potomac, and whenever any country attempts to escape the psychopath’s operating system, Free Market capitalism, Mordor destroys them.
These psychopaths all display the standard pathopsychological features, ie lack of compassion and human empathy, narcissistic egomania, unscrupulousness, preference for violence and generalised misanthropy evidenced as racism, xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia etc, and the USA has spent billions over decades in learning how to identify and recruit them to the numerous death-squad forces they have raised to terrorise humanity around the planet. One need only think of the graduates of The School of The Americas, thousands of fascistic murderers imbued with ‘National Security’ doctrine who murdered and destroyed across Latin America for decades, or the privatised Colombia paramilitaries, or the narco-trafficker gangs spawned by the US imposed ‘War on Drugs’, or the Operation Phoenix torturers and butchers of south Vietnam, the Nicaraguan Contras, Greek colonels, the Shah’s SAVAK, Daash, RENAMO in Mozambique, UNITA in Angola and on and in it goes.
I definitely detect an added genocidal turn in recent decades. The butchery in Rwanda, in fact driven by Uncle Satan’s boy, Kagame (trained at Fort Leavenworth)followed by the slaughter of millions in eastern Congo, plus the genocides in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc, all seem to me to point to an active interest by the Exceptionalists in massive depopulation. With the ecological catastrophe rapidly worsening, far quicker than the most pessimistic mainstream prognostications, the glorious West is in real danger of being swamped by a tsunami of desperate people fleeing for their lives, that will make the chaos and horror in the Mediterranean today seem like a picnic. Whatever does occur, bet on the West to use maximum, homicidal, force, without conscience or compunction. It’s their nature.
It is particularly amusing that all the goals of the “Ukrainian Reconquista” are directly opposed to the so-called “European values”. They are against EU and NATO and what is most heinous anty-gay. How does the Right Sector imagine that “Europe” would let herself be “reconquered” by the “fascists”? They are just the patsies who must whip the anti-Putin, anti-Russian, anti-Orthodox frenzy (which seems to fizzle out).
It is unbelievable how stupid and useful idiots Right Sector are . Their ideology of “RABID NATIONALISM” is completely opposed in EU. They can make circus inside in- glorious -Ukraine but
they will be shut down very fast in Golden West…..they will be shut down even faster in- glorious -Ukraine soon as they lost purpose for Pornoschenko.
“Their ideology of “RABID NATIONALISM” is completely opposed in EU”.
I wish I could be completely certain about that. More and more throughout the EU we are witnessing a reawakening of nationalist sentiments especially so among the Baltic states who even openly commemorate the waffen ss in Latvia, you have the Golden Dawn in Greece, the Front National in France, etc. and more and more anti migration and anti immigrant/foreigner feelings in a significant proportion of the populations of the EU all largely in part being fed by the unprecedented flow of refugees caused by the policies of the US/EU in their own countries now deluging Europe but also by “austerity” policies being forced on the populations of Europe which is driving people to poverty and the attending drop in standards of living.
But instead of holding their “leaders” to account they are focusing their anger in the wrong direction. I would say the EU at the moment is a powder keg waiting to explode and when it does it isn’t going to be pretty.
Golden Dawn’s leaders were imprisoned despite their being no evidence they committed any crime other than opposing political correctness. Marine Le Pen has also been arrested in France for “hate speech” after criticising Muslim mass immigration. The Vlaams Blok in Belgium was banned as was Batasuna in Spain despite never committing any real crime. The Baltic “nationalists” are only encouraged so long as their actions are aimed against Russia. If they started demanding to leave the EU you would see a very different response. Nationalist groups exist in the EU, but they are persecuted by the establishment, certainly not supported by them. The “Ukrainian Nationalists” are simply useful idiots who are used to bring Ukraine under US/EU control and will be discarded once they have outlived their usefulness.
The same for Russian “nationalists” who support the US/EU against their own country. We can see the same thing happened in Croatia for example, where “Neo-Nazis” were used to ethnically cleanse the Serbs and break Croatia away from Yugoslavia, but then were no longer useful and were replaced by pro-EU “liberal” politicians who support gay pride parades. They already tried to hold one in Kiev this year and Right Sector attacked it lol (what do they think the EU stands for?) Croatia joined the EU in 2013 and is now host to “Zagreb Pride” which is attended by leading politicians. Last year’s event was attended by the prime minister’s wife. Where are the Ustache now? Oh that’s right, they’re not being paid by foreign countries anymore so they’ve disappeared back into anonymity.
When we are dealing with today’s EU, deprived of its tradition, soul, and religion, left in economical chaos with high level of unemployment, invaded by hordes of unwanted immigrants, everything is possible even the coming back of fascism.
Invasion by unwanted immigrants seems turnaround fair play by those whose countries were invaded and thrown into war by Europeans. Just another kind of blowback.
And frankly — such colonialism and invasion is a big part of European tradition, and even religion, after all. Now it’s being colonialized by the US based empire with the help of the local EU banksters, and again what goes around comes around, like a law of karma.
In EU their own fascists, which people were way too tolerant of, have turned against them, and so in Ukraine the enemy is their own fascists. The reflexive nature of fascism is forgotten by the people during the ‘good times’, but comes back to bite them. Wait until you see this happen in the US — the greatest terrorist and fascist bunch now around.
blue, when you consider the seventeen US Republican Presidential candidates, as scabrous a collection of the ethically deranged, intellectually deficient and spiritually just plain evil poltroons as ever escaped from an Asylum for the Morally Insane, you know, with absolute certainty, that the USA is finished.
Ahh — but I never consider the Republican candidates — or the Democrats ones. Barely even know who they all are. I don’t want to know.
That doesn’t impede my knowing the US is finished, however, since all I have to do is look around and see the basic actions and policies — even just actions, which Martians could see through their powerful telescope: police violence, poverty and homelessness, destruction of environment, military movements and wars, crumbling infrastructure. No society can sustain itself like that.
When you see the circus tent is on fire and not being put out you don’t have to watch clown act. It’s like with the real economy too, and ignoring the noise from economists and banksters — the phony numbers and games don’t change the reality, unemployment, utilization, and failing infrastructure and work force resources or consumption. None of this is being fixed, but only made worse.
blue,Oliver Wendell Holmes said, in a US Supreme Court judgment, that free speech did not extend to shouting ‘Fire!’ falsely in a crowded theatre. How would one judge the ruling Rightwing type in the West who, when the theatre is blazing, the foundations are undermined, five hundred tons of dynamite are about to detonate, and a flock of hungry pteranodons is roosting outside, continue to declare that all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.
Dear Isammart
Could you please name a few “TRADITION” of Europe. and then What kind of Soul it had if it had? And Religion, Oh please…..
As a matter of the looted wealth from Asia by the Europeans are coming to an end. They can’t eat Technology. The looted Countries are awaken and they will not let them off the hook so easy. Basically the immigrant are the ones to whom the Europeans Raped, looted, kill and burn for centuries with their Tradition,Soul(if they had one), and Religion(technology).
What is happening is the mask of Europe/US is also off and true colour and face is shown(Fascism).
In fact if one wants to experience the entire medieval Europe at once at a very Grand Scale then one should study and observe the US.
Does it make sense??? May be to someone who has Religion, Tradition, Soul truely…..More later…
Regds
Sanjay
Sanjay…come on….the Middle Ages was a very spiritual time in Europe…you are a racist I think…
the Gothic Cathedrals for the exoteric stream and the more esoteric streams such as Paracelsus, Goethe, the Rosicrucians, the Alchymists….not to mention Rudolf Steiner…..Europe has a fabulous history actually…the Renaissance…the Grail stories….the Templars….
Ann on August 06, 2015 · at 6:23 am UTC said:
“Europe has a fabulous history actually…the Renaissance…the Grail stories….the Templars….”
Europe has a fabulously bloody history actually – caused, similarly, by the elites of their time.
That is true of all countries histories.There is not one great (and many not so great) country that the pages of their history is not stained with blood.
“Europe has a fabulously bloody history actually – caused, similarly, by the elites of their time.”‘
European history is not more bloody than non-European history, but it doesn’t look like anti-whites care about non-whites having done much the same as the Europeans?
Tunglet on August 06, 2015 · at 5:46 pm UTC said:
“European history is not more bloody than non-European history”
I never said that it was.
“but it doesn’t look like anti-whites care about non-whites having done much the same as the Europeans?”
I’m on holiday and have had a some vino :-)…if you mean the non white elite had/have as little care for the coloured “masses” then – I agree with you.
I probably misinterpreted…sorry.
I agree with Ann. Occidental civilization was basically fine until it went off the rails, around the year 1500.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
… Historians consider that between 1096 and 1291 there were seven major Crusades and numerous minor ones
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Various crusades were launched in the 14th and 15th centuries to counter the expanding Ottoman Empire
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Crusades were largely about grabbing land, BTW.
In the meantime was the feudal system with massive exploitation of serfs and lack of human rights (including persecution of those with different religions, not just pagans but other Christian sects too, and Jews).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages
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The Late Middle Ages was marked by difficulties and calamities including famine, plague, and war, which much diminished the population of Western Europe; between 1347 and 1350, the Black Death killed about a third of Europeans. Controversy, heresy, and schism within the Church paralleled the interstate conflict, civil strife, and peasant revolts that occurred in the kingdoms.
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Here’s a few religious accoutrements, also useful for politics and general discipline.
http://www.viralnova.com/medieval-torture-devices/
Medieval Europe was not very civilized at all, but quite primitive, brutal, and bloody. That heritage is there, and remnants remain.
“The past isn’t dead. It isn’t even past.” – William Faulkner
blue on August 06, 2015 · at 2:32 pm UTC said:
“The past isn’t dead. It isn’t even past.” – William Faulkner
Faulkner & Wheeler, probably, would have been best buddies ;-)
“Various crusades were launched in the 14th and 15th centuries to counter the expanding Ottoman Empire.”
The key in that sentence is the, “to counter the expanding Ottoman Empire”.The Ottoman’s in those days weren’t being “picked on” by the West.They were an expansionist Empire,the hegemon of that day.Intent on conquering all Europe.They conquered and destroyed every country in the Balkans and Near East (except Iran).They were working on conquering Poland,Russia,Hungary (finally did that).And planned on conqering Italy if they could.Those Crusades of that era were to stop them from doing that (they didn’t really work well).
Concise history of the world, from early ancestors, and applies to all countries, in under 4 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XuXi3mqYM
This explains a great deal. They are still among us.
Might want to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPznMbNcfO8
too (Ignore the title). Nice comparison between chimps and humans.
Dear Ann
Please don’t say I am racist. I am only saying what a little I know. Your fellow beings have illustrated below. I don’t need to say anything further. Therefore I say History means( at least to me) the discovery of TRUTH.
You can call me Racist it pleases you but it doesn’t changes the PAST/PRESENT and the way the Europeans are making the FUTURE which would become one day a History. May during the time of Medeival Ages some Great people like Goethe, Steiner etc were there. Just like some complex technology of today some grand Cathedral were build. But question is how it was build. How they get those money, slave labour, etc….
Ann, I truely admire you. But I have a request to you and I really urge you. Please delve into the history (just recent history) for the Goal of Seaking Truth. Then you would not say I am racist and still I don’t understand why you said it. I still do beleive that it was your emotional reaction. You can say what you can say but please do get into the history for finding the Truth.
Please tell me who did those Plundering, Raping, Killing, burning, etc. etc. ? Were those Asian/Indian/Chinese/American Indian or it were Europeans/Western ? Still you think I am racist!!! I don’t know Ann what I am, still I am in search of that. But at the least I am not the Racist. But I really admire you and all the friends on this forum….
Regds
Sanjay
Dear Sanjay…I wasn’t being emotional…I understand your hatred of the West…but the West is not all evil…There are good people too, and sometimes they lead a high age like the Middle Ages and sometimes they are defeated, within the leading headliners of history. All peoples – nations – have good and bad. India too. We who want to work for the good of the planet must work together wherever we live. As I said before, now I live in the West, but certainly I’ve had lifetimes in the East. I’m here in the West now, to do what I can, be it ever so little, to help the good people get control of the evil people. This happens everywhere in every age. We are the age!~
And for all commenters who hate the crusaders…well, perhaps the Ottoman Empire was worse. The first crusades were to save the Holy Land. And in those earlier times, that was important, although when they got to the tomb of Christ, what did they hear ? “The One that you seek, is not here, He is Risen” He came for all the world..even India Sanjay !!
And so the Templars went back to Europe after having befriended the Muslims and learned chess from them, and started defending the weak in Europe. Only to be exterminated by Philip the Fair of France, for the Templar gold. Perhaps if the Templars had not been exterminated, Europe would be a different place today…the whole history of the world is the fight of good against evil.
Ann on August 07, 2015 · at 6:05 am UTC said:
“He came for all the world..even India Sanjay !!”
How the feck did he come for all the world?
He is part of a crazy triune Godhead which is omniscient. This Godhead already knew that it was casting countless billions of humans into the fire at judgment even before they were created.
I wish you Christians would stop being so condescending to the other, similarly, crazy religions.
anon get a name you rude shadow
Ann on August 08, 2015 · at 7:58 am UTC said:
“anon get a name you rude shadow”
Does that fit the bill?
anyway:
How the feck did he come for all the world?
“And so the Templars went back to Europe after having befriended the Muslims and learned chess from them,….”
Sincerely, Ann, do not know what sources do you take from such a naive idea like this, when the truth is far much more horrible. The Templars and Crusaders generally went only to the Holy Land for looting causing irreparable conflicts with the original inhabitants of this land whose only sin was that they were Muslims. They were mercenary armies, not very different from what they are now Blackwater / Academi or the same ISIS, only in those barbarous times, were openly led by psychopaths of the Frankish nobility as the butcher known as Reynald of Chatillon, at the time Knight of the Order of the Temple.
To know more about their misdeeds in the Holy Land will leave the Wikipedia entry in Spanish, which you can translate with a translator, as it is more fitting that the entry in English:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinaldo_de_Ch%C3%A2tillon
Also to make a graphic idea I recommend the movie ” Kingdom of Heaven” by Ridley Scott:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oO6pCRe3pM
And to get an idea about something I always advise hear both sides.
In this respect I highly recommend the wonderful book “The Crusades Through Arab Eyes” by Amin Maalouf, who is not precisely an Islamic fundamentalist but a Lebanese writer in French, based in Paris who has been awarded the Prince of Asturias Award for Literature in 2010 and is a member of the French Academy.
elsie, the Templars shouldn’t actually be put in the same pot with crusaders. The Templars were a small band of highly trained fighters that were Christian, and their living arrangements were poverty…from high aristocratic families that gave all their wealth (gold) and property to the Order…and went to get Jerusalem back from the Muslims that had invaded it.
The Templars were accused of being too friendly with the enemy and exterminated by their own countrymen.
My sources are Rudolf Steiner and many other people that have studied the Templars. Catherine Austin Fitts also has a high regard for them…elsie, perhaps its me that has read much more about the Templars than you ?? Sorry to say, but calling me naive is in error…
Well, I just think that you may start to read something more than Rudolf Steiner and Catherine Austin Fits, if not only to have a wide idea of things around the world and throughout History.
They, Steiner and Austin Fits, they are not the Oracle itself. Looks like if you consider them as if they have the word of God.
What about read something different than what they write?
“….the Templars shouldn’t actually be put in the same pot with crusaders.”
Of course, among the Crusaders, as in any human group, there were also decent people, only they were not Templars.
“…..and their living arrangements were poverty….”
Well, Ann, walking across what is now Syria, Jordan, Israel and the Sinai robbing caravans and ships to keep their wealth and possessions, as was Reynald of Châtillon, or marry the highest nobility of the Holy Land, as the princess Sybilla of Jerusalem, as Guy de Lusignan did, do not fit me to the vow of poverty, rather to take strategic positions for power. The Kerak castle, at that time, was not exactly the cave of Ali Baba, well, at some point yes, because there was where Reynald of Châtillon kept all the spoils of his raffia. Also it had great strategic value as geographical location.
The Templars what they did in the Holy Land is ruining the status quo between Christians and Muslims, as they do now the Zionists. And when they returned to Europe, those who survived, they had to hide their wealth around. But they already lent money to the king of France before going to the Crusades. Some historians suggest that the king, he went to the Crusades because was so indebted to the Templars……
All people have a violent history. All you have to do is read about the history of other regions and you will see the same thing. The Moors, Turks, Huns and Mongols all tried to invade Europe but were narrowly defeated. They enslaved people, destroyed cities, looted etc. The same thing happened in India with wars between different groups. It was only because Europeans developed more advanced technology in the late Middle Ages that they were able to conquer other continents. Other empires would have done the same if they had the power.
Also, all European countries are being flooded with immigrants even though most of them have never colonised anyone else and many have been colonised themselves. In my country, Ireland, there are huge numbers of immigrants here from all over the world even though Ireland itself was colonised by the British and was treated just as badly as any of their other colonies. I feel like a foreigner walking through my own capital city now because of the massive number of immigrants. Immigration is achieving what the British never could – the complete destruction of Irish culture.
Sadly the lights of the Middle Ages are long extinguished. And actually it is precisely the era when the sun began to set in what was appropriately named “Occident”, the “West” of which “westerners” are so proud. It is the era when this West broke from the Orthodox Church and then turned against it with demonic fury. All the “esotericisms” you quote (and you forgot to mention the essential one, Freemasonry) are agents of the anti-Christian, anti-Orthodox cabal (another “esotericism” you forgot, but which is “leading from behind” all the others).
Today Europe is a spiritual wasteland.
Yes, I agree Wiz Oz. The Germans could be leading us still, as individuals, as individuals they are fantastic wonderful great and awesome people. But as a nation-state they have failed us. They’re only leading the world in finance. yuck
Sanjay,
you are correct. Completely. The Middle Ages were a horrible time in Europe. It was the time when Judeo-Christian hordes destroyed the original ancient pagan religions of the people of the continent. In the case of the Slavs (and most other peoples in Europe), their old religon was clearly a continuation of the Hindu religion. We scientists know this, put politicians still do not touch upon this subject.
Christianity spread across the continent with the vicious cycle of violence and murder. Did you know that there is virtualy only ONE country in Europe that accepted Christianity without any blood spilled ?! It was Ireland.
The rest was disgraceful.
(Have also in mind that the real creator of great Russia was not Vladimir I, but his father Svyatoslav Igorevich who absolutely refused to have anything with Christianity. He is the most underrated person in the history of Russia, since there would not be any great Russia without him.)
And yet, they keep him unknown just because he was a pagan.
I could write for hours… but there is no point. You are rigth in everything you said.
It is not you who is a rascist, but the person you responded to. He calls the poor immigrants “the hordes of unwanted immigrants” !!?! What a cold, bestial arrogance! This immigrants are coming to Europe as a consequence of the European policies, which are to plunder and destroy all the countries in the Middle East and North Africa. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, you name it.
I am European, but I believe that people of India have so superior culture that they have full right to despise Europe. (I count Tibet and Nepal as India too).
Best regards.
The Wend on August 07, 2015 · at 9:29 pm UTC said:
“Did you know that there is virtualy only ONE country in Europe that accepted Christianity without any blood spilled ?! It was Ireland.”
Interesting. I was born and continue to live in Ireland but hadn’t really thought about that. It was only in more recent history that resident sub-groups of the Christian faith started to fight and kill each other. However, I never call myself “Irish” – so puerile.
On first reading, Svyatoslav Igorevich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslav_I_of_Kiev) seems just another psychopathic oligarch.
There’s good reason to despise a lot of people in Europe – it’s a big place. There are lots of good people there too, some who frequent this blog. The European policies you refer to were created by the European elites/oligarchs.
Satan1,
yes, Ireland is the sole exception in Europe. I was studying the case a bit, because it is an interesting fact. It seems to me that Ireland accepted Christianity without violence only because of the personality of St. Patrick. He was one of the few true saints in European history. When the druids kidnapped him, he simply convinced them in conversation that Christ is the greatest druid, and the druids accepted his arguments.
As for Svyatoslav, he was a great leader and a great warrior who managed to destroy extremely brutal Khazar-Jewish empire, which was based on the trade of Slavic slaves. Centuries of agony for the east Slavonic people was ended when he conquered Sarkel and Itil. Such times required such measures. His son Vladimir spoiled everything by accepting Christianity. The rest is history…. In contemporary Russia, they even did not allow for the monument of Svyatoslav to be built as the artist wanted (with the enemy of Svyatoslav being subdued wearing the star of David on his shield). The authorities removed the star of David from his shield. So much for the interpretation of the history.
The Wend on August 08, 2015 · at 12:35 pm UTC said:
“As for Svyatoslav, he was a great leader and a great warrior”
From my wikpedia link:
…Sviatoslav began by rallying the East Slavic vassal tribes of the Khazars to his cause. Those who would not join him, such as the Vyatichs, were attacked and forced to pay tribute to the Kievan Rus’ rather than to the Khazars…
A wise & good man could probably have discerned a better template (Vladimir sounds much worse though).
Thanks for the info – further reading required here.
After the retreat of Christianity, Europe fell more and more deeply into a state of second childhood. I can’t see any other reason for the success of these infantile manifestations of that circus called “paganisms”.
The truth is that the authentic traditional doctrines of the Orient (like the Hindu ones) are much closer to authentic Christianity than to the parodies of Rodnoveria, Asatru, Romuva, Dievturiba, Druwi, Wicca, Druidism, Witches and God knows what else (their imagination is boundless).
WizOz on August 10, 2015 · at 9:25 am UTC said:
“infantile manifestations”
Here’s another: God, Christianity and the the oh so benevolent food chain.
I welcome Turkey or Saudi Arabia 2.0 on German, French and British territory. Serves them right. They have basically destroyed themselves with their delusional policies.
With the Muslims reason about issues, the West it lead by complete retards that is forcing an equally retarded ideology on its people.
Western ‘liberals’ are primarily interested in loot. They see ‘private property’ as the supreme good. As much as possible, concentrated in their sticky hands. They will cheerfully use and manipulate nationalists, fascists, conservatives, traditionalists, etc, to the end of accumulating wealth and power. It’s ‘divide and rule’, easy to practise when the targets are antipathetic to others. Human misanthropy comes in every colour of the rainbow, including chauvinistic nationalism, sectarian hatred, class hatred, misogyny, homophobia, inter-generational hatred and ideological hatred. These become more marked when societies crumble under civil war or when elite rapacity produces mass poverty, as today. The elite cause the poverty with their parasitism, then use the social angst to set their victims at each others throats, rather than the elites’. In times of peace and prosperity different groups can easily live together amicably, inter-marry and support each other, but a sufficiently malign elite or outside force can also get people to slit one anothers’ throats, as in Yugoslavia. It only takes a few psychopaths, and the Exceptionalists have thousands of those already on the pay-roll. I would bet that these Russian ultra-nationalists are on the Imperial payroll already, and I bet Mr Feigin has something to do with it.
I see the words “liberal” and “left” tossed around a lot on this site, used as terms of disapprobation. I also see the term “gay” used in the same way, and applied to the people of the US as a way to denigrate US liberals.
Something that is very important for everyone here to understand is this: the word “liberal” is understood in the US to mean something quite different than the way it is understood in other areas, particularly in Russia.
Because of that difference, there has developed on this site a huge misunderstanding of US attitudes about a number of issues. People here need to understand that, whatever European “liberals” may think or do, there are large numbers in the US who fiercely oppose the Empire and its wars and other crimes. They opposed the coup in Ukraine, and they oppose the junta and its crimes. They support the efforts of the people of the Donbas, and they have tremendous respect for President Putin. They are what are known as “liberals” in the US. They are the largest part of the left wing of US politics. In the US, liberals (and pretty much all leftists) compose the anti-Kiev, pro-Donbass, pro-Putin block.
In the US it is the leftists – liberals – who believe in democracy, freedom of conscience, the rights of workers and consumers, protection of the environment, and an end to racial prejudice. They work to bring an end to bigotry of any kind, including hatred toward, and harassment of members of sexual minorities.
In the US, it is the right wing that hates Putin, it is the conservatives who want the population of the Donbas wiped out, it is the conservatives that support the Kievien slaughter-fest, it is the right wing that supports the US’s subversive efforts around the globe. And in the US it is the fascistic right wing that hates and persecutes gay and transexual persons.
So when you make obscene or denigrating remarks about US liberals (leftists) for not hating gay persons or transexual persons, you are supporting those in the US who want to wipe out the people of the Donbas, you are supporting those who want to attack and dismember Russia, you are supporting the agents of Empire all around the globe. And you are denigrating the very persons who oppose the Empire, who want the US to leave Ukraine and Russia alone, and who want the US to stop infiltrating fifth columnists into countries all over the world in order to overthrow democratic governments, and most of all they want their own government to stop organizing and arming terrorists, to stop invading smaller, inoffensive countries, and to stop bombing helpless people all around the globe. You are, in fact, aligning yourselves with the Ukrainian Nazis as well.
US liberals support the attitudes and aims that this web site is founded upon, except that we oppose prejudice and bigotry in all its forms.
I ask everyone here to spend a little time absorbing and contemplating this information, which I know will be completely new to many.
I respectfully disagree. As a yank I would not presume to lecture Europeans or Russians about their politics but I know ours painfully well. Fascism simply means state control of private means of production, that is, public debts and private profits or simply corruption. Socialists simply appropriated the term “liberal” when “socialist” became radioactive. Most are simply useful idiots with good intentions that fail to realise that they are being used to dismantle what remains of the proletariat, and will go on at length about the failures of traditional society, but somehow never mention that the .01% remain in the saddle, but instead gobble ceaselessly about equality and fairness, historical wrongs, hateful symbols, ad nauseum; all distraction from the fact that the oligarchs, who should hang, are quite happy to see the little people squabble amongst themselves, distract themselves with entertainment and political theater.
I am personally quite “illiberal”, and I refuse to be led by idiots, killers and thieves which is why I support Putin; his enemies are also the enemies of the American people, whatever his shortcomings (none, that I can see). Do not be lectured by American liberals. They are deeply confused by the difference between head and heart, and easily persuaded by the most-sincere sounding liars. Dupes and chumps, mostly, with a healthy sprinkling of scoundrels (E.g. neocons and “conservatives”) using the others for cover.
Jeff Albertson on August 06, 2015 · at 8:29 pm UTC said:
“all distraction from the fact that the oligarchs, who should hang, are quite happy to see the little people squabble amongst themselves, distract themselves with entertainment and political theater.”
best of stuff
“I am personally quite “illiberal”, and I refuse to be led by idiots, killers and thieves which is why I support Putin; his enemies are also the enemies of the American people, whatever his shortcomings (none, that I can see).”
Worst of stuff – Russia is now far worse than Capitalism…it is at least as ridden by the oligarchic ridden control as “the west”.
Please – what do you see in capitalist Russia that is any better (for the people) than in America?
Please bear with me, as I implied, my ignorance of Russia is encyclopedic; what little I think I know is mostly from this blog and a few others that I was drawn to in order to cut through the piles of nothing that is the western press. What I know in my bones is how bogus my own society is, and how little influence people here of good will have on it. Russia could be as bad, or worse in its own way (but I doubt it, having already gone through what America is soon to be experiencing).
I *like* Putin because he has the right enemies. I dislike western liberals because they, unwittingly or not, support a divide-and-conquer regime domestically and internationally, while allowing the actual ruling cliques to literally get away with murder. I don’t want to hear any more about, racism, sexism, nationalism, “religionism” (I just made that up, spell check doesn’t like it) etc. until the “greedism” problem is solved, and preferably not afterwords either. Our PC morons are soaked in bad faith. Do not allow yourselves to listen to their incoherent and annoying preaching.
Jeff Alberson on August 07, 2015 · at 12:25 am UTC said:
“I don’t want to hear any more about, racism, sexism, nationalism, “religionism” (I just made that up, spell check doesn’t like it) etc. until the “greedism” problem is solved, and preferably not afterwords either.”
I like what you have to say Jeff.
Unfortunately “greedism” is the root of the whole problem and neither Putin nor Russia are going to serve you any differently from what you already hate on that line.
Jack, I was thinking of the classical Lockean Liberals, the ‘Life, Liberty and Private Property’, tribe, what we might call laissez-faire, Free Market, neo-liberal, ‘Invisible Hand’ etc, capitalists. In Australia our further Right reactionary Party calls itself ‘Liberal’ but they are conservative, obscurantist, elitist reactionaries. Our ‘Labor’ Party is nearly as far Right, Right as in serving the rich under capitalism and keeping the rabble in line.
US political jargon seems sometimes a little impenetrable. ‘Progressive’ means mildly Leftwing as I understand it, like ‘social democracy’ or, to be precise, its ruins in Europe, but often seems more socially obsessed than politically and economically. I definitely believe in the need to end prejudice and discrimination against any community, but the great priority now needs to be to end omnicidal capitalism, reverse the growing tide of inequality and poverty, put a halt to Western geo-political aggression before it commits any more genocides or triggers thermo-nuclear war, and do something to reverse the destruction of the planet’s habitability for our species through ecological collapse.
We all know that good, decent, sane and dedicated Americans are working to those ends, and we also, unfortunately, know that their efforts have been, so far, almost entirely futile. The US political system is totally corrupt, owned entirely by the rich, and hugely disproportionately by Jewish elements (precise descriptors like ‘fascist’, ‘supremacist’, ‘chauvinists’ etc don’t seem to do the Adelsons justice)its functionaries are evil, psychopathic, imbeciles, and we have seen with the Obama tragedy that reform is utterly impossible. So, while the USA undoubtedly contains many wonderful people, it also plainly, contains many more violent, stupid, ignorant and arrogant fools, who think they are ordained by God to rule the planet, even if their eke out a poverty-stricken existence flipping hamburgers. The USA seems to me to be just what Nazi Germany would have evolved into after a couple of centuries. But, believe me, living in Australia induces the same sensation, only on a lesser scale, with the added embarrassment of this country’s ‘leaders” extreme sycophancy to the USA thrown in for added emetic effect.
‘Liberal’ has some good connotations, but classical liberalism, and even some social liberalism (old school libertarian, progressive, or even libertine) has a few threads in it which are very destructive:
‘We know what is best for you, so we can order you around.”
‘We have the right to do what we want — including monopolizing trade and business and bringing ‘democracy’ to everyone’
‘Everyone is equal and is equally entitled to their opinions because all ideas are equal and reality is merely constructed’
‘Democracy is whatever the majority wants and votes for, or whatever leaders we elect decides to do’.
(‘If prohibiting anyone from doing everything saves just one life then it’s worth it’ Yes, this is heard.)
Problem is, most all these kinds of words are almost meaningless now,
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master— that’s all.”
It is obvious that promotion of LGBT “rights”, “marriage equality” are weapons against Russia and the Orthodox Church. Some LGBT might delude themselves that they are “for Russia”, but we they can’t delude us. Have they ever demonstrated against the war in Donbass? I do not remember any occurence. Instead they demonstrated for Pussy Riot.
Mulga, since I know you are right and I appreciate a bet with 100% odds of winning and ZERO odds of losing, I will go “ALL IN” on that one, re: Feigin manipulation of Russian ultra-nationalists.
Whether people’s identity is ethnic, nationalist, ideological or religious they are ALL capable of either being evil controllers or the useful idiots of evil controllers. If they are in the right place at the right time with the “best” connections, they may likely control, and, on some level, become the biggest and most evil fools, unless the good, the universal in them outweighs the particular, a very, very rare occurrence, in past history. If not lucky to get some power and control, they can be the goons and cannon fodder of those that do control, and end being the most pathetic fools or traitors, unless, again, the universal in them outweighs the particular, and they resist rather than assist, evil in higher places.
Among the masses, those that stay on the surface of things identifying superficially with the Stars and Stripes (or ANY flag, for that matter…..including the Russian flag OR the Ukrainian in our context here…..) or religious denomination, or ideological or political party affiliation in typically superficial fashion, have perfectly positioned themselves to be dupes of more adroit and highly positioned “game masters” than they themselves, in their simple mindedness, can even begin to fathom. Turning them to be traitors to Russia and the human race, in your example, like so many of their counterparts here, “down under”, and nearly everywhere. But Russia and the USA, by size, potential power for either good or evil, seem to count more than most other places…..
So, if overwhelmed by complexity and fearful of being tricked into being a tool of evil, should we sit it out at home, lay low, take no position on anything? No, because that is the thing the satanic elites MOST count on. And that is what the great not so moral majority in fact do, almost everywhere, but especially here in the USA. They are overwhelmed. Can’t sort it out. So they shrink into the shadows, seeking safety, but actually endangering themselves and others by their reticence to risk and grow.
Why not at least try, make some inevitable mistakes, and grow from them, realizing at least a few very basic principles of fairly self evident truth, and venture forth at least mentally, and preferably physically, each day? The first principle to bear in mind, I suspect, is that Good is not securely and self-evidently located in ANY narrow form of identity by flag, denominational faith, ideological credo, or passport by itself, unless it humbly and genuinely recognizes its limitations in comparison to the Whole of which it is but a tiny part. Isn’t the Good the self developing characteristic of the Universe, while evil is identification with the Particular, the limited, the discrete, the egotistical Self (including temporal wealth and power) to the exclusion of the rights of others to partake in their human, cognitive, conscious contribution to the ongoing development of the Universe? Which the opportunist egoists ridicule as “impractical”, of course. Practical = little, right here right now, a pig’s snout in the trough’s slop. And never great.
Major problems come up anywhere, including here, when people focus too much on “limits” and “practically” and wrongly conclude that we are animals in a zero sum lifeboat or bacteria in a petri dish. We’re not. Check this out:
https://youtu.be/0fKBhvDjuy0 My nine year old did and was glued to the screen without moving, for all nine minutes, staring at the telescoping action. When it ended, he said, “More! I want more!”
I said, “Go to bed. That’s the Universe. There isn’t any more, that we know of.”
Some day or century, all of this tragic and evil particularism will end, and the human species will either mature and become an immortal species with homes beyond this lifeboat or petri dish OR…….we’ll go deservedly extinct, having discarded the best of humanity’s past contributors and capitulated to the worst. Our privilege of life is an opportunity to either participate to some degree in the conscious evolution of ourselves, humanity and conceivably even the Universe, OR be participants in some pathetically limited particularist fetish, accomplices in evil, either passive accomplices, or active contributors to the Universe finally disposing of our species as an interesting, but failed experiment.
Meanwhile, some heroes, at or near battle fronts in Novorossiya or Syria are doing more of their share for the Universal, potentially, than they may realize, perceiving their fight as local or national defense. While many others in the USA or Russia either sit it out (most, in both places), resist evil (more Russians are clear on the evil than Americans, brainwashed and victimized by it themselves, by FAR, presently) or are moved to action BY evil. My impression is that the latter type in USA far outnumber their counterparts in Russia. But sins of ego and preference for particular (evil) considerations exist everywhere. Half the world is looking to Russia for hope. Many Russians will not disappoint. Some will. It’s complex everywhere, simple nowhere.
Well, dear Mind and Soul, you certainly lived up to your name in this comment…thanks…I actually could only watch half of the video…sorry, but after half, in my mind and soul, it all becomes spirit.
Ann, you are kind, fair and also thick-skinned (stand up well to many critics, be their remarks well taken, where their expertise in an area exceeds yours, or trollish, where I have noticed you call a spade a spade) which I appreciate, because the kitchen can get pretty hot, and a thick skin comes in handy, as an example to fortify those who may be a bit sensitive, and in need of some protective callous to take the heat.
The animation by a couple of IBM guys in 1977 (The Powers of Ten—a 9 minute movie) is just an illustration, to me, of what humanity is: a species capable of conscious, self-evolution OR conscious but insane self extinction.
I wish I could spend more time here, but this morning I had time and watched blue’s posting of a video link of a troupe of Chimps invading another troop’s territory killing one of its members, tearing it apart and eating it, as blue’s explanation of our species’ dark history in almost every corner of the globe. I appreciated the humorous analogy, particularly the irony of considering that it was produced by BBC and that the reputed Rothschild controllers of the BBC consciously promote inter- human species Gang Warfare that so mimics the cannibalistic chimpanzees!
Except that there is a difference in species potential: Adult humans can conceive and create a very convincing animation of the Universe which no animal could mentally come remotely close to grasping, but which riveted the attention of an 8 year old child, from start to finish. With the intention to ACT on it, not merely be in it and acted on by it, like a chimp or a child with the culture mass produced by the oligarchy, designed to reduce him or her to a chimp……
“it all becomes spirit” I don’t think Einstein and Max Planck would disagree with you. Energy, matter, spirit, why quibble?
Mind and Soul, I once saw a rather cogent argument mounted that the so-called aggressive, murderous, behaviour of allegedly ‘demonic’ chimpanzees was bulldust. The aggression seen in the Gombe chimpanzees was exaggerated, and came after human encroachment on land, the rise of the ‘bush-meat’ trade and after human feeding and other interferences had upset group dynamics. Previously chimpanzees at Gombe and elsewhere, were notably peaceful and unaggressive, like bonobos. The obvious ideological reason for asserting innate, genetic, drivers of primate aggression, is to justify aggressive behaviour in humans, like Uncle Satan and his bloodthirsty minions, as unavoidable and inescapable, and not an artefact of culture, ideology, socialisation and pathopsychology as it surely is.
@ MM,
Do you need to be liberal first… or do you need a word to describe it, before you can label someone as such?
P.S. did get your comments on the situation in Australia. Thanks.
Daniel, we call them Lie-berals here, because they lie without compunction and hesitation. Our lie-berals are just typical Rightwing psychopaths, but their narcissistic self-admiration forbids acknowledging just what swine they truly are, so they pretend that their greed and selfishness is somehow beneficent. The ‘Invisible Hand’ stupidity is typical, as it attempts to transmute individual greed, without limit, into group benefit.
[FYI: an article from the Dutch press. We’re in the third quarter of 2015.]
Dutch cheese warehouses overflowing as prices fall
European milk quotas were abolished on April 1, freeing up farmers to produce as much milk as they like. Now a kilo of Edam cheese is fetching between €2.10 and €2.30 at the Hamburg cheese auction, well below the normal price of around €3. In addition, cheese exporters have been hit by lower than expected demand from China and Russia.
Despite this, new markets have been found in the US, Mexico and South Korea so cheese exports overall remained stable in the first quarter.
In the local Illinois store (including Walmart) anything but the cheapest process cheese generally runs from $4 to $6 per pound (more than I can afford), while ‘fancy’ cheese can cost much more.
The money the farmers and producers get is a small part of the cost of food, which might be made thousands of miles away — but locally made food isn’t cheaper. The food industry is a racket.
blue, capitalism is a racket.
@passerby
I’ve just read Mind and Soul’s clarion call to embrace the Universal…
followed by your post …on the plight of Dutch cheese.
I am picturing a lot of very forlorn, large edams lying around the shelves of Dutch warehouses, the much-anticipated trip to Russia cancelled.
Will they ever know the sublime experience of being masticated by Russian teeth?
The helter-kelter excitement of coursing through Russian alimentary canals?
The vast taiga of Russia gut bacteria?
The victims of geopolitical manoeuvres are many and diverse.
So spare a thought for Dutch cheese folks (and those hordes of canned Lithuanian sprats too…:)
Well well written Oxandabaratz!
Thank you for this extremely detailed analysis of this complex subject.
I save me a copy, because it explains all the complicated contradictions.
If next time some western mainstream zombie dares to call Novorossiya an “Ultranationalist Nazi project under Putin’s direct control”, he gets your article for sure.
On the other hand: Those who keep re-iterating such smart claims probably don’t have enough brain cells to only read your text, let alone to understand something.
I’m relieved that somebody still sees the good sides of CCCP. Too many are against it, I think even on “our” side many are meanwhile believing western MSM their anti-communist propaganda. Age is one of the reasons: Everybody below the age of 40 only “knows” the old times from TV. And everywhere else except in Russia (NoCTalgy program) that’s a completely distorted picture they are being told (don’t have a TV since 1998 because I could no longer watch that western anti-communist dirt).
Fascism as a whole: It is a zionist concept to trap entire Nations and to keep them under control. Watch out for who brought Hitler to power. Or who helped the Kiev Junta to “win” Maidan. Or Kolomoiski etc.
Both Germany after WW1 and Ukraine after 1991 were unbelievably empoverished and ripped off (the average citizens). Circumstances were created that in fact called for nationalist forces to gain popularity. And out of a sudden such Nazi groups accidently always get enough financing from western banks.
But if we talk about this, we get stigmatized as “Brown Mob Nazis” again. Leftist against Rightist, this against that, poor against rich, gay against hetero, nationalists against migrants etc etc etc.
It’s all a circle and a mass-media’s blame game to brainwash and tightly control the masses in a fine grained manner.
I doubt it developed in such a polished way “accidently”. Please, could you also write an essay about these strange Zionist-Fascist links? I only say Kolomoisky.
Yegor Prosvirnin is not only leading Ukraine-targeted “Pyotr and Mazepa media”, he also leads Russia-aimed “Sputnik and Pogrom” media. S&P is where he published his famous article about WW2, where he claimed 22 June 1941 those were true Russians who invaded USSR to have their revenge on communists by cleansing them all to the last one.
This is where it gets interesting…
S&P was one of the media that hyped and hyped and hyped warlord Girkin (aka Strelok aka Strelkov).
They made one of the most early generous donations to him (reconnaissance drone) and had a special grateful public address from him.
That is all nice and respectable… but then:
1. Girkin obtained his first howitzers and armored vehicles and MANPADs from EuroMaidan Army (25th airborne brigade). They just roved into Slavyansk to dump that plenty to him and went away (they did not witched sides and remained pro-coup). Never they were punished for it, never they were hesitating to fight against Novorossia ever since.
2. Since winter 2014/2015 Girkin repeatedly starts scandals telling dirty tails about some of the warlords fighting in Novorossia, trying to set them emotionally against one another. Weirdly, it almost always happens when Kiev attacks, and almost never during peaceful times.
3. Girkin’s press relations are carried by Anatoliy “el-murid” Nesmiyan, who was just few years ago part of the famous anti-Putin “Bolotnaya Square” protests. One which may be seen as failed attempt at flower revolution, kind of what happened in Armenia.
4. Girkin told himself that he left Slavyansk violating the clearly given order. A hero? Hmm…
5. Girkin told himself that he had to abandon Slavyansk because DPR did not give im adequate support and supply… skipping the fact that at the time he was DPR’s MoD.
That is not at all as I remember it from that time (daily watching the events). Some part of the 25th Airborne were ordered to Donbass. They were surrounded by militia and agreed,in order to be released to leave there equipment.Some of them at that time (only a few) and at other times a few hundred defected to the militia.As well as 400 resigned service,refusing to fight in Donbass.I heard after that they were being prosecuted by the junta.So your “jihad” against Strelkov needs to stop there.
Here is from a Russian friends FB page.Far more people in Russia deny the fascists than support them:
10-year-old boy – Lev Protasov from Yekaterinburg wrote a poem, which caused a storm of emotions among teachers and readers.
You read it slowly, and then ponder: at what books, toys, movies, cartoons, it is necessary to educate their children so that they 10 s wrote such masterpieces have such a high level of awareness in their lives and feel a personal responsibility for the fate of their homeland?
Small yet, but I reasoned in force
and no one will reproach me –
No country, Russia beautiful!
This conclusion know in advance!
Grow – I poezzhu the world.
And I am sure, to the shores of Rodney
will be an irresistible attraction,
Though where – but I’ll come back to them!
Because I’m on the Russian Spirit!
Because the Rus – my Earth!
Because my mother – Slavyanka
and Russia gave birth to me!
Because it is my home and school!
Grandfather, father and all my friends,
Russian, love nature,
native speech, here is my family!
Because my great-grandfather of blood
For our Russian – the ground lay!
feats of our soldiers, the heroes
I know – no one remembers the people!
From the brown plague the entire Earth
Russian soldiers have saved.
Do not subservient to exploit them to oblivion.
bowed to them from the waist down to the ground!
“Dogs” Now Mother Russia bark
Along with her, I’ll take the pain.
Growing up, okrepnu, matured
And you, my dear, help!
You’re a little unwell,
Nothing Rossiyushka, Be of good courage
as before me hope,
do not give up, Mother, – hold on!
You get up – a great and mighty,
Rastsvetёsh as apple tree in spring!
For me you’ll be the best!
The most beloved and dear!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/822605564490858/
It is wonderful and compare to this to what bunch of trash “children” of that age have in their “heads” here in the West: NextSupermodelSuperstar TV show, newest I-Phone, newest war game …
CCCP/Rossiya:
Here two other good artworks (take the time to google for the lyrics and translate them) :
Марк Бернес. С чего начинается Родина? (“With what does homeland begin?”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXwUPXY9eaY
Алсу и другие артисты – Широка страна моя родная
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCso4l-bcs
Ольга КОРМУХИНА / Рагда ХАНИЕВА – ПУТЬ [День России в Крыму, 12.06.2015]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42sohYkfs78
@ Martin from S.E.B. on August 06, 2015 · at 2:16 pm UTC
Thank you, absolutely beautiful
Excellent analysis, Oxandabaratz, thank you.
I agree on everything, specially being sick of “western liberals fake leftists”, they are worst than a plague.
I noticed that you have everything in this issue very well studied……
Eskerrik asko, gehiago espero dugu.
elsi, the WSWS does excellent work on what it calls the ‘pseudo-Left’ in the West, who nearly always support the Washington Consensus, hating Putin, praising Banderastan etc. The wreckage of ‘the Left’ on the West has easily been penetrated and controlled by the Soros-style ‘liberals’ who use ‘gay rights’ and other diversions to attack target states. I’m totally against prejudice and hatred towards gays, lesbians, thespians or jelly-beans, but I can see easily enough that ramming these campaigns down the throats of societies not yet as ‘advanced’ as the glorious West is a deliberate tactic to foment and provoke social tension in those targeted societies.
It is pretty rich hypocrisy for Western bully-boys and girls to attack Russia for ‘homophobia’ when such homophobia is alive and well in the West, and was enshrined in law only a few decades ago. Left to its own devices, I imagine that Russia and other states would evolve naturally to more accepting social norms of all types of non-exploitative human behaviour. Cuba, for instance, decades ago was quite homophobic, but has evolved, because left in peace from interfering Western moral stand-over thugs. But the Western ‘liberals’ imagine themselves the global elite, the moral overlords, granted the right to pontificate to all others, and when their bullying interference and deliberately provocative methods elicit any resistance, that becomes useful agit-prop to smear Russia or any other target-state as worthy of contempt and hatred. Their business is hatred, not acceptance, and business is good. And I would bet that they are financing and training the other side, the ‘traditionalist’ reactionaries, too. That is an old tactic, to finance and control both sides and set them at each others throats.
Thank you very much for this comment; it puts into words my feelings much better than I ever could.
Talking to average “liberals” in the U. S., I often sense the overwhelming need on their part to “feel good about themselves”, which comes across as the ultimate motive for their views, instead of any serious concern for marginalized groups or social problems, which would require humility and actual attempts to understand. This carefully cultivated sense of moral superiority is also a means of control on the part of the rulers.
Chinese-American, the drive to feel good about yourself that one sees in the archetypal American is basically narcissistic egotism. One finds a better path towards self-acceptance through behaving towards others in a decent fashion, ie living the morally good life. However, under hyper-individualistic capitalism, where all collective action is detested with fervour, other people are more often seen as enemies at worst, or the competition in a ruthlessly unequal society, or as potential victims for exploitation. The Americans go on and on about ‘Freedom’ and ‘individualism’, but they definitely do not mean that these goods should be shared equally by all people. Quite the contrary in fact.
http://tapnewswire.com/2015/08/mh370-the-cover-up-extends/
RM2.6 billion donor identified – MACC
Kuala Lumpur August 6, 2015
– The Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) said it knew the identity of the donor who had banked in RM2.6 billion into Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak’s personal account.
However, MACC said it cannot reveal the identity.
In a statement, MACC said it will meet Najib to seek clarification on the matter.
“MACC has received explanation from the donor who is from the Middle East, who has verified the donation made. However, the person’s identity cannot be revealed.
Malaysia credibility now completely destroyed with latest mad claims the Reunion debris is from MH370… A false flag suck in for Malaysia on a French territorial island and Malaysia chomped on it hook line and sinker. Now whatever Malaysia says about MH17 no one anywhere whatsoever will believe a word they say. Mission accomplished – Malaysia credibility totally destroyed.
So,do you have information that it isn’t part of the MH370? I haven’t heard that yet.This is just a question, I’m curious if there was a definite finding on that.
http://palestineinamerica.com/2015/08/congress-holds-hearing-about-bds-palestinians-not-invited-to-testify/
Congress holds hearing on BDS, Palestinians not invited to testify
Musa Hamideh | August 5, 2015 | BDS, News | No Comments
Last week, the House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform’s Subcommittee on National Security held a hearing “The Impact of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) Movement.” The committee is one of the most influential in the House making this hearing a good way to gauge how it will respond to issues when they are brought to the general body.
AUG5/2015
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/greek-forces-train-israel-syriza-led-government-deepens-alliance?utm_content=bufferce005&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
by Ali Abunimah, Electronic Intifada
Greek, along with Italian, military forces are soon to train in Israel.
This is the latest indicator of the deepening military alliance being forged between Israel and Greece’s government led by the leftist Syriza party.
Last month, Israeli helicopter pilots completed an unprecedented 11-day combat training exercise near Greece’s Mount Olympus.
In May, the Syriza-led government also signed amilitary accord with Israel, matched only by a similar one between Israel and the US, granting legal immunities to each other’s military personnel while training in the other’s territory.
willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/greek-forces-to-train-in-israel-as-syriza-led-government-deepens-alliance/
Almost all the police were currently training in Israel, including some Spanish regional police. They offer this business area and, it seems that, in terms of repressive techniques, they are the “best”.
On the other hand, in countries like Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal, with a history of bloody military dictatorships, the army has always been on the side of dictatorships and, except for honorable exceptions, is not something most cotizen can count with, if needed.
Indeed, if Syriza had been confident of having the army in its side, it would surely have had a chance to send the Troika to walk.
Not so, and that is being trained in Israel comes only to confirm, if it was not sufficiently clear, that popular uprisings are expected in Greece and in the rest of Europe, and what will get people is, as we say here, in the best, “logs” (ie sticks)
elsi, the police thugs who executed de Menezes in London, in 2010, on a crowded tube train, were trained in Israel. The training was called Operation Kratos, after the Greek Titan who held Prometheus down as he was chained to the rock. The Israeli death-squad mentality, to kill without mercy, on the spot, as was also seen on the Mavi Marmara as the nine Turks were held down then murdered in cold-blood with bullets to the head, is indicative of a psychology of extreme hatred taken to homicidal levels. And the Judaic Reich is based on just such savage hatred, and has decades of expertise in its execution. The training by Israel will turn these European police-forces into death-squads in waiting-you can be certain of that.
In Cuba in 1933 the people of Habana had the perfect answer to the police death squad problem.I expect it can be /should be applied in other nations as well.During the overthrow of their dictatorship the people hung the secret police killers from lamp-posts along the city streets.That pretty quickly solved that problem.In 1959 to avoid the ,how shall I say,”messiness” of that.The Castro government begged the people not to take revenge in their own hands,and promised “retribution” for the Batista government killers.So the lamp-posts stayed empty,and scores of Batista loyalists went to the firing squads instead.Another problem solved.A good object lesson for bringing retribution to the junta loyalists after Liberation in Ukraine.
Anon, that explains a lot about Syriza, doesn’t it.
Very interesting analysis, but not exact concerning what are saying, according to the author, the “Leftists” in Europe.
In France and Germany at least, the left (“Front de Gauche” and “Die Linke”), stands firmly against the Maïdan coup, and against the ukronazis.
Here is, for instance, a speach of Sahra Wagenknecht (Die Linke) in front of the Bundestag :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIi4a7ri-dc
Mélenchon (Front de Gauche) in France has said and wrote many times some very similar things.
But, in France at least (I know that because I am French, but I think it applies to many other countries), the left (Parti Socialiste) has become the center right. You can not accuse “the left” by accusing the so called “Parti Socialiste” in power. These guys and their followers (less and less numerous) are now obviously a part of the right.
And a big part of right politicians are precisely ” treat[ing] as “nationalist”, “backward”, “populist”, “dangerous for Human Rights”, “ethicists” or “authoritarian” EVERY political project which resists to [Euro-supremacist]”. And I would add that “Euro-supremacism” is always associated with US-supremacism.
This is not a question of right and left. It’s a question of to be pro EU and pro US, or not. A (growing) part of the left and a part of the right (gaullists) are not. And don’t be fooled by what is written on french newspapers on this subject : almost nobody read them anymore.
As said above, the “liberal” word is very ambigous. In France a “liberal” is a “free market fanatic”. I don’t know how to translate the english meaning of this word in French, because almost everybody (except some far right activists) is in favour of free speech and civil liberties (at least in his discourse), as I understand what it means in english.
I would agree with the author, and would think that his analysis is very accurate, by replacing the words “liberal” and “left” by “guys who clame to be the left, but are not”. As is our governement, and some others.
The other half of the story about the bought-off Malaysia PM –Mr. Ed was/is in town their capital part of ASEAN meeting.
Does he or not look like he’s aged 99 years in the past 3-4 months when he was MIA?
An American geopolitical commentator says US Secretary of State John Kerry is just making a fool of himself at the ASEAN meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, because it’s not Washington’s business to interfere in China’s territorial disputes with its neighbors.
Dean Henderson, an author and columnist at Veterans Today, made the remarks in an interview with Press TV on Wednesday, after Kerry urged his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi to stop “problematic actions” in the South China Sea.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/08/06/423467/ASEAN-Kerry-China-
Interesting that a Russian “nationalist” is standing in front of a sign written in “English”.I guess the “nationalists” aren’t of the same caliber today as in the past.I wonder if the Russian government should mention that fact as well.
One could be forgiven for assuming that the message here is directed at a foreign, not domestic audiences.
Much like the antics of Pussy Riot.
My thinking as well.And that “foreign audience is too dense to see that.You’d think some of them would ask themselves, “why are Russian protest signs in English,since most people there can’t read English?”.
You mean the entire world doesn’t speak English?
Only arrogant foreigners refuse to speak English in their own countries!
“From the current looks of the situation in Ukraine, the country is almost certainly on the verge of a second civil war, notes the US historian Stephen F. Cohen during the John Batchelor Show.
Cohen believes that the coming war will erupt between the Kiev-based national government, which is supported by Washington, and a growing far-right ultranationalists, which are growing in number in Ukraine.
“Between the official government and the growing ultranationalist movement whose most powerful representative is the political and military organization known as the Right Sector, which some people say are neo-fascists as some of their batallions wear swastikas and some praise the nazi-regime. The pivot of their ideological thinking is an ethnically cleansed, purified Ukraine, above all without any Russians or Russian influence,” Cohen told John Batchelor.
One of their demand from official Kiev government is to resume the offensive in the East of Ukraine and make no compromises with Moscow, which is basically the Minsk accords.
“In the last few weeks it seems quite certain that the Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko, is seeking to comply with the Minsk Agreement, as he understands that this is the only way for him to retain his presidency,” added the historian.
However, Cohen noted that as the ultra-right forces grow in strength they would not sit by and permit Poroshenko conduct peace negotiation with the representatives of Donbass, considering that there are ultra-rights within the Ukrainian parliament itself.”
etc
© FLICKR/ MARINES
‘War is Peace’: US Neocons Urge Washington to Flood Ukraine With Weapons
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150806/1025477084.html#ixzz3i8LXJTW7
I saw this today from a Russian friend.And I included a video song of this event.Think of this every time you wonder if NATO could defeat Russians:
100 years ago the world was committed unprecedented feat of Russian soldiers – “Attack of the Dead.”
– This feat must often write, I pride of Russian soldiers could die is beyond comprehension!
In dedicato Imperatum ultra articulo mortis (“Loyal to the Emperor even beyond death,”)
The history of the Russian army knows a lot of feats, but among them there is one that stands out especially because he did not live committed, but to conquer death.
It happened during the defense of the fortress Osovits that is in the bend of the river Beaver (now Poland). The fortress covered the strategically important transport hub, and defended her Regiment Zemlyansky. Defenders were few, and in the case of the German offensive was ordered to hold out 48 hours and then it was considered impossible. Kaiser’s troops were preparing to storm thoroughly: they took on the position of 17 artillery batteries. Including four “Big Bertha” (of all constructed of nine) – 420-millimeter Titans destruction spewing devyatisotkilogrammovye shells. He began firing. Respond to them could only two naval gun “Kane” – and they responded, and how! Not only will force the enemy to roll the position, so also knocked out a couple of “Bert”.
48 hours long gone. Fortress held for nearly six months, almost completely lost its strategic importance. The Germans were still vain threw projectiles city, but at some point they got tired of Russian stubbornness, and they brought 30 batteries of chemical weapons. August 6 at four in the morning was given salvo. Chemical weapons are prohibited by the Convention is not in vain: a mixture of chlorine and bromine are not just killing a man, she gets burns, and makes the lungs vyharkivat, bringing terrible suffering. The agony that “karlushki” would cause a fortress defended the Russian soldiers. He waited until the gas dissipated, 14 battalions of Landwehr went to light, in their opinion, take a walk with a purpose to strengthen purified gas. But they badly miscalculated. Seven thousand German soldiers, the last three lines of fortifications Osovitsa, met survivors.
Sometimes people can not stop even death, while at the same perseverance and fortitude they do the impossible. Towards the enemy came a little more than a hundred Russian soldiers, coughing, with burns disfigured faces, somehow shook her bloody rags. The Germans – excellent soldiers, they are perfectly able to cope with any enemy alive. However, they went out to meet those who have long had to die in agonizing convulsions. Russian staggered slowly and inevitably went to the bayonet charge. Seeing the spectacle, not intended for mortal horror and awareness so suddenly changed fate of brave German soldiers seized with panic. All seven thousand people fled, as if feeling that no weapons will not help them. In a panic, they did not notice anything, tens hanging on the barbed wire defenses, crushing each other in the trenches. At this point, he opened fire surviving fortress artillery, vykashivaya ranks retreating, bogged down on the lines of defense. 100 Russian soldiers outside the death overwhelmed seven thousand Germans. The horror was a harbinger of, oblivion – was their gift.
Anatoly Gromov
for ML Novorossia Northwest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ5EKBmrthg
And that strength is not lost on the people of today as these two videos show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKyKNhIbCvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAwB5eH6ZI0
The Slavs should stick together. I care not much about the ideology (just not Marxism please!!!), but Russia is a Slavic country (all respect to all the minorities, especially the Mongol people!) – just like Ukraine.
When the first trucks with Russian help came to Donbass last Summer, the local people were ALL crying and saying the same thing: “WE ARE THE SLAVS! ”
Without pan-Slavism Russia has no essence There is more to pan-Slavism it then it looks like. Just remember WW2 and the mass extermination of the Slavs and how Russia saved herself and all Slavs, including Poles and Czechs (who tend to forget it), but also those Slavs who even did not count themselves into Slavs (Croats, Bosnian Muslims, even Bulgarians).
Hi!!
Will try to answer to some of the commentors which answered the article. Sorry for my poor English, it’s not my mothertongue
Uncle Bob: I agree with you and with all you have said. The difference between Svoboda and Pravyi Sektor you noticed it seems to be correct, although I do not dare to affirm that, because I have not understanding in Ukrainian, so cannot have first-hand sources. But I think the same, that Svoboda is more “Ukrainian chauvinistic” while Pravyi Sektor is more “Internationalist”: one is more stuck to the Galitzian point of view of the traditional Russophobia (remember the Irina Farion show in a children school of Lviv), whereas the other -Pravyi Sektor- is more internationalist, for them Ukraine or Ukrainian nationalism is a tool to the ultimate goal, a fascist Europe. The horizon of Svoboda is more narrow, in this sense they are more “nationalist” than Pravyi Sektor. Whereas, Pravyi Sektor is more “pan-European” or “pan-White” “internationalist”.
And yes, my intention was to explain, why Russian Nazis are in a majority fighting or supporting Ukrainian Junta. NWO-mouthpieces do not understand this, or they understand but want to concel this to us.
Jack: “Liberal” means different things in each context. In USA is more leaned to the “progressive left”, in Europe means usually to the “right” or simply to the “free market supporter”. Ok, I as European, use this way. Really are two senses of the word: one, in the “wider sense” means “all pepole which accept the system-consensus” (free-market parliamentary democracy) and the strict sense or doctrinal sense means “a person which seeks to more Capitalism, more free-market and less State” (that is, the cente-right “Liberal Parties” which are in all Europe). Probably I used the word inaccurately. When talking about liberals, I was refereing to the people (also leftists) which advocates for the post-1991 “liberal consensus”.
And supporting this consensus there are both, Official wide senso “Liberals” (in European sense): Soc-dems, Conservatives, Greens, strictu senso Liberals… but also Leftists, that with various excuses (Anti-authoritarinism, defense of “minorities” or something like that) they struck to the Liberal agenda. Usually Trotskists, but not only them.
About the Left, I do not think that “left” and “right” are ideologies There are part of a political axis to “help to order” the different ideologies (and not the only axis). I did not want to attack the Left. Not only in the USA (I think that in USA, both Liberals as Soros or Conservatives as McCain are against Donbass, both parties -with some exceptions- democrats and republicans are against Novorossiya), but also in the place where I live, the more oppossition to the Ukrainian Junta comes from the Left. I am leftist also; but as leftist, I think the ideological battle must be more against the pro-NWO agents inside the left which try to distort our ideology. This distortions came mostly because of the May-68 ideology, which denaturalized the working-class sighting of the classical left making to the agenda mostly individualistic issues. Today, that pro-68 “left” (childish anti-authoritarian, post-modern, deconstructivist…) is the main agent of the “Liberal consensus” within the Left.
To sum-up: Me, as leftist, am more close to “rightists” like Mahmud Ahmadinejad, that to “leftists” as Daniel Cohn-Bendit.
I think that the writer Mulga Mumblebrain has explained quite well my feelings
Mind and Soul: Agree with you. In Russia, both pro-Wastern trends, Liberal and Fascists (or Radical Rightists) have a lot of connections (and I will enlist some “leftists” here too, as the “Vpina” collective, or the same Pussy Riot ). It is not only the political cosmology, but also the personal relationships, both groups are only focused among the “creative class”, both are active and quite spread in the middle-classes of Moscow or Peter, but nothing out from there. So this physical proximity leads to political proximity (Aleksei Navalni and Mark Feigin are the perfect examples). Whereas most of Russians vote for various Putinist parties (United Russia, Just Russia) or Communists (the only opposition in Russia). So the only that both of this “Western opposition” groups they have is the Western media voice-elevator.
A person I known from a little Russian city told me: “really I am not agree with jailing those Pussy girls… but really I do not care of them”: This is the average Russian vision: those problems of the “liberal opposition” are not in the agenda (but yes in the agenda that the West has for Russia).
Martin from Soviet-East Berlin: Thanks, but the merit is for the blog or community team, which corrected my text, because I do not know to write very well in English.
Elsi: Thanks, but I am not a regular contributor to this forum, so I do not think I have the “right” to fulfill this with my writings… This writing has been because a request to me. Beraz, ez, momentuz ez da gehiagorik egongo.
Slipenfer: In part I agree with you. Probably I had to use other words. As I have said to Jack, my insistence on the left, is not because my dislike of the left (which is not, I am also a leftist), but because I see the “leftist pro-NWO” the most dangerous pro-NWO of all of them. I am Basque, and I know what I am talking about, because I have a lot of ideological struggling against this people.
So thanks to all. A final note: the icon in the blog front-page that links to this article is a “lauburu” (four heads) an ancient Basque symbol. It is a sun symbol, which was fisrtly used among the peasants, and then widespread; but it is not a Far Right symbol (despite similarities wth the swastika), nor is seen as this here, but a symbol of Basque identity.