Note: the video has two dates indicated on it: 2013 and 2015. Clearly person(s) who posted it (the YouTube channel Военная Мощь России) made some kind of mistake. No bid deal, as either way, the display is superb.
Saker Message:
Wow that really was amazing, you were right! I was so skeptical that I had to watch ;) Sorry that I ever doubted you Saker.
The most amazing part is that this aircraft is not some small and nimble fighter like the F-16 or the MiG-29, but a huge and heavy. Look at that Wikipedia data about the SU-35:
Length: 21.9 m (72.9 ft)
Wingspan: 15.3 m (50.2 ft, with wingtip pods)
Height: 5.90 m (19.4 ft)
Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg (40,570 lb)
Loaded weight: 25,300 kg (56,660 lb) at 50% internal fuel
Maximum speed:
–At altitude: Mach 2.25 (2,390 km/h, 1,490 mph)
–At sea level: Mach 1.15 (1,400 km/h, 870 mph)
Range:
–At altitude: 3,600 km (1,940 nmi)
–At sea level: 1,580 km (850 nmi)
Ferry range: 4,500 km (2,430 nmi) with 2 external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)
Rate of climb: >280 m/s (>55,000 ft/min)
Wing loading: 408 kg/m² (500.8 kg/m² with full internal fuel) (84.9 lb/ft² 50% fuel)
Thrust/weight: 1.13 at 50% fuel (0.92 with full internal fuel)
Maximum g-load: +9 g
These are absolutely amazing numbers for what is both a long-range interceptor AND a capable strike-fighter. A thrust to weight ratio of 1.13 and a load of +9g is better than most pure fighters can do. To see a 25 ton aircraft performing the kind of manoeuvres we see in this video is nothing short of unreal.
Now imagine what the SU-35 and SU-34 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34) combo can do TOGETHER!!
Good nite and sweet dreams :-)
Cпасибо!
On this one, at the beginning, we can have an idea how big it is compare to the pilote :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oh4TfcxeCQ
et encore une autre de 2013 :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-VNSJMiNt0
Wow the figure at 3:00 is amazing.
Girls,
watch this from MAKS 2015 (from time 11:30),
https://youtu.be/yE3boQUNP9k?t=698
steep start like a rocket launch!
13:45 is also just a WOW…
Saker
He’s doing it with 3 missles mounted (2wing 1 fuselage. They may be dummy missles but still impressive
wow what a beautiful video…thanks Saker. it looks alive. I guess if there are Gods watching, that would be a human endevour that is up to the standards that they could wish for, for us humans.
Utterly amazing -the pilots of many other fighters would be yarding on the eject handles in a couple of those manoeuvers.
I note that the Hegemon is sending F-22s to Europe according to this article:
US to send F-22 jets to Europe over Russia: Air Force
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/08/25/426241/US-russia-nato-Ukraine
The F-22 is a good aircraft. Not quite as revolutionary as the YF-23, but still pretty impressive, especially for an aircraft which reached its initial operating capability in late 2005 early 2006, some 7-10 years ahead of the Russian T-50/PAKFA. But the F-22 has so many maintenance and failure problems that it never would have been accepted in Russian service. And even today, it is a horrible aircraft to operate. Considering that all the F-22 can do is air superiority, it is an amazingly expensive toy, and one which is amazingly expensive to operate. As for the F-35, it is such a terminal piece of shit that one wonders if this is a joke or whether the US will seriously persist in this debacle. Frankly, for a country which produced such superb air superiority fighters like the F-16 and a good solid multirole fighter like the F-15, the F-22 and F-35 are a really sad example of how a country can go wrong.
Absolutely agree. I don’t understand the rationale with the lumbering F-35 lemonjet unless it is an ability for the Hegemon to inflict a sub-standard airframe on its ‘allies’ that it can then totally control through software links -assuming it is not performing its alternate role as a semi-permanent hangar queen.
I keep reading about F-35 ‘wolfpacks’, as if it were mirroring Admiral Doenitz’s successful U-boat strategy -only 70 years too late. These squadrons of F-35s all apparently share the same target information and collaborate on an attack. All the eggs then in one basket -a high dependency on all the software working between them and no transmission interference.
But if all they wanted was a stealthy ‘missile platform’ (airforce parlance) with whizzbang electronics why not just update the avionics on something like the existing F-117?
As for using the F-35 as a ground attack replacement for the A-10 it doesn’t bear discussion.
Profits. The F-35 flim flam is what was there to make money on. And a lot of panic. There are better designs in progress, no doubt, but they will take many years before they can be put into production.
Sounds a bit like the WW2-era Tiger tank – except that the Tiger had the redeeming virtue that, when it was working and finally got into action, it was worth a company of any other type of tank. Nevertheless, its cost and unreliability made it far less effective than it could have been. Again, as you say, the Soviets would never have created such a weapon system.
Actually the f16 and f15 are the exception. Look at all the bad jets we have produced. Starting with the century series the f100 was not a good fighter. F102, f104 yuk. The f4 phantom is what the f35 is today. We will use it but……. The only good ones were the p51, f86, f15 and the f16. That’s it folks.
The P-38 Lightning, F4U Corsair, and P-47 Thunderbolt were all great World War II fighters. The F-5 Tiger was good as a cheap, versatile workhorse, and the Phantom wasn’t a flying piano like the F-35 – worked just fine once they corrected some stupid decisions they made in the initial design.
The A-10 is a fantastic aircraft. Ditto for the C-17. The Boeing 747 is also a masterpiece. No, Americans can make fantastic aircraft, imho.
In addition, the F-14 carrier launched fighter has also been pretty effective over the years.
yes, and the AIM-54 Phoenix carried by the F-14 was also an awesome missile.
no, no doubt in my mind – Americans have built some formidable aircraft :-)
The P-38 Lightning, F4U Corsair, and P-47 Thunderbolt were all great World War II fighters.
Depending on their role. As pure fighters, these were poor aircraft. All 3 lacked the maneuverability to mix it in a dogfight and relied upon hit and run sort of tactics to be any way successful against other fighter aircraft. Against bombers, or in limited attack roles, they worked well. The P-38 was mainly used as a long range interceptor. The Corsair was difficult to operate from carriers, and was almost nixed as a carrier aircraft (the British RN, who were better trained pilots, used them shipboard before the USN did), it had poor maneuverability and was inferior in dogfighing than that of the F6F and F8F. As a strike aircraft, it performed well, though. The P-47 was a flying rock. Good at diving, and flying in a straight line. The P-47 was soon replaced by P-51s in Europe in the role of fighter vs fighter combat.
The Lightning and the Corsair were energy fighters, not dogfighters. They were never meant to tangle in close turning knife fights with the Zero. They had the engine power to leave the Zero in the dust in a straight line race – and they had the armor and superior firepower to fly head on against it with confidence. If the enemy avoided their first pass, they would just soar past and put enough distance and altitude between them and their opponent to complete their slower turn without the dogfighting enemy ever coming close enough to take them down from behind.
They made mincemeat of Japanese fliers. Not as succesful against the Germans since they built much more balanced fighters.
Saker, it really is quite simple: the F-35 is primarily to milk the American taxpayer for as long as possible and as much as possible; defence comes secondary.
Right! And let’s not forget the long-suffering taxpayers of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, NATO, etc., etc… it’s a bottomless money pit! There’s a great Aussie TV show about the F-35 debacle and how they view it down under, i.e., with disgust.
Wow. That pilot literally threw the SU-35 around the sky – no problem! Fly backwards under stable control – no problem! Flat spin – no problem! Love watching those exhaust nozzles swiveling while various fins do their thing. You can see unusual positions of the twin rudders quite clearly – at times both turned outwards, or both turned inwards. The SU-35 is such a beautiful aircraft and a great tribute to Russian design and production!
This clip held me in thrall, and I didn’t think it would. It’s superb videography, superb film editing, genius plane design, and the piloting of an angel. The heavens must smile.
I watch a lot of the clips that get posted around of the Russian planes. From the smallest to the largest, oldest to newest, they all seem beautiful to me. There seems to be such a familiarity with aerodynamics in the design, such an understanding of what the air will support, and how these metal things can swim through the air, and burn through space.
I know nothing about military hardware, but a lot about energy, and the poetry of war. I love the colors they paint their warplanes. Only recently, and because of the Russians, did I come to understand that a serious plane also looks gorgeous, in the same way a bird does, and for the same reasons.
And I must add that the more I see of the old USSR and its Russian core – its products, its hardware, its institutions and infrastructure, its monuments and its weapons – the more I marvel at an entire civilization that the propaganda shield of my western country kept concealed from me.
@Grieved
“the more I marvel at an entire civilization that the propaganda shield of my western country kept concealed from me.”
Truth spoken well.
Some of us feel the same way about Russian microphones, which appeared (n.b.) in the US in the early nineties. They were ridiculously cheap for what you got. Never met an Oktava I didn’t like. I’ve heard an under $400 Oktava ribbon mic kick the crap out of a $1200 Royer (on an electric guitar cab, this is a K. Richards trick, think “Sticky Fingers”), in a real studio (on studio time), with an amused engineer looking on. The Lomo stuff… search ebay, some of the tube mics are going for $thousands, for good reason. They’re also mysteriously beautiful. A whole other technical culture, we were never told anything about it.
Ha, ha … you can’t fool me! That’s not an airplane — that’s a flying saucer with stuff glued on to it to disguise it as an airplane.
Float like a butterfly – sting like a bee.
Indeed.
the human race can well do without this type of beauty and awe.
anon ? What kind of a comment is that ? Why shouldn’t Russians be able to build defense ?
Anyways…welcome to Earth….
It’s amazing watching these displays. The Su-35 is a very cleaned up version of the Su-30 series of vectored thrust upgrades of the old su-27, itself a remarkable aircraft. Both the Su-35 and Su-30 can fly circles around the most maneuverable western fighter, including the F-22 – which is basically a flying rock given limited thrust vectoring. The F-22 was actually intended as a straight interceptor, with no real dogfight capability, an American fighter tradition, BTW, for use in launching long range A-A missiles. Later, the design was revamped to reflect a bit more real life combat reality and some spectacular Russian advances with thrust vectoring.
The long range combat model the F-22 is based upon, (by long range, I mean fighting range between aircraft, not travel range), has been a long sought American goal, where their fighters fire A-A missiles at far away aircraft from distances as far as 50-100 miles. Theoretically, it offered immunity to the fighter (pindos like that kind of thing). In reality, in practice, it hasn’t worked. Both counter-measures to A-A missiles and inability to identify friend or foe at long range when there was more than just a couple aircraft up seriously degraded results. So in the end, they would need to dogfight. The old F-104 failure proved such decades ago (though being little more than fast piloted slingshot missile with ineffective missiles of very limited effectiveness, it was too primitive for the role intended and soon pulled out of combat in Vietnam),
When Russian success with vectored thrust was demonstrated in the 90’s, the Americans figured thrust vectoring would be a great way to give this flying rock, the F-22, a dogfight capability. But, being Americans, with their less for more cost corporate corruption mentality, they built a 2 dimensional vectoring system for the F-22 (up and down). The Russians already were using 3 dimensions (up, down and side to side). Without the thrust vectoring, the F-22 has very little maneuverability at all, it’s a very heavy aircraft for its wing area. And the 2 dem. thrust vectoring the Americans chose works mainly to provide vertical maneuvering, it does little for horizontal maneuverability, unlike the standard Russian 3 dem thrust vectoring. An F-22 could not do the majority of the maneuvers the Su-35 did in the video above.
The F-22 was cancelled officially because it was an expensive aircraft, around $400 mil a unit, and climbing, and it would offer no advantage over previous aircraft in attacking undefended countries. My opinion why it was binned is that it was realised it was a very expensive per unit design, already into obsolescence due to Russian advances, and that it was better to quietly drop it and work on it’s replacement. which no doubt the US is doing. The F-35 is an interim solution, and money maker scheme. Picked to be a jack of all trades, including the real fighter role the F-22 proved to be a failure at, because the USA put so much effort into the F-22, a plane 20 years in development, it’s failure left the USA with the choice of F-35 or none for many years to come.
there are no superlatives that can be said for this amazing Russian engineering technology that can do it justice, their progress in this field puts current US engineering into the stone age. if someone told me what this beautiful flying dream can do I would have called them a liar, and at last someone has put the arrogant American achievements in the shade.
How much do they cost?
Why? Plannig to buy one? ;)
That all depends on A LOT of options and offset agreements (Russia buying stuff from the country purchasing the SU-35). Wikipedia says 40-65 million dollar. Compare that with the 400 million dollar F-22 mentioned by вот так :-)
In all fairness, Wikipedia quotes a 2009 flyaway costs of 150 million for the F-22.
But, in reality, it is very hard to compare costs. It’s not just the flyway, it is also the cost per hour, the mean time between failure, the maintenance costs, etc. etc. etc. What you can say with absolute certitude is that the SU-35 is much, MUCH cheaper than the F-22, by A LOT. Cheaper to purchase and cheaper to operate.
But we are comparing apples and oranges here, after all the F-22 is a stealth air superiority fighter which the SU-35 is not. A better comparison would be the Russian T-50 (PAKFA) which also has a stealth design, but is a more capable stealth multirole and air superiority fighter which Wikipedia has priced at 50 million dollars. Again, much cheaper than the F-22.
The truth is that such 4++ and 5th generation aircraft are fantastically expensive and that they will never be produced in the thousands. Both the USA and Russia will stick to roughly 200 F-22 and 200 T-50s.
Again, the crazy exception here is the F-35 (aka ‘flying brick’) which is supposed to be ordered in huge numbers (don’t remember how much, but its big) even though it is a piece of shit AND it is expensive (in the range of 100 million dollars a pop).
This is one case where the Europeans did much better. Both the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale are much better aircraft, and even the JAS 39 Gripen is a more modest, but still rational option.
But with their SU-35, SU-34 and MiG-31BM the Russian Air Forces is in the “pole position” in the battle for the skies (even more so in a S-400 covered environment)
Thanks for the detailed information.
So, a US plane would be 2-3 times the cost of a similar Russian one.
a US plane would be 2-3 times the cost of a similar Russian one.
That sounds about right to me.
Cheers!
That difference in cost actually shows how much corruption plays into it. The corruption in the USA surpasses that of Russian by several magnitudes. The portrayal of Russia as being more corrupt than the USA, or any of the other ZPC/NWO colonies, is essentially the work of the zio-PR machine.
About 100 rubles — but they won’t sell them for that.
(Actually, about $65 million.)
@ The Saker ; SanctuaryOne,
Q; As for the F-35, it is such a terminal piece of shit that one wonders if this is a joke or whether the US will seriously persist in this debacle. + I don’t understand the rationale with the lumbering F-35 lemonjet
R; “New Plant for Producing F-35 Aircraft Wings Opened Near Airport“.
Now guess where that airport is?
Well?
“…a new plant for the manufacture of American fighter pilot wings for F-35 aircraft near Ben Gurion Airport.” – Link to Israel National News
Yep, the Apartheid State, so you can betcha that the flying
Baron Munchausen‘Fiddler above the roof‘ will be in production for quite some time to come.Did anyone notice the ‘airbrake’ the Su-35 performed?
Here is a wing view of a SU35, on another video of that miracle – link to youtube. It’s very noisy, so please turn the volume way down before the fighter jet takes off.
Amazing maneuverablilty of that fighter jet, and the pilont ain’t bad either… That’s some serious piloting there. America, you’ve got a loooong way to go to catch up with both.
Please forgive my typos…
I’ve just found this, am gonna look at it right now, so don’t know yet if it is a good documentary, but I share it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GhJHsHF91o
The video shows several Russian aircraft. The PAK-50 footage is nice. they are showing more of what it can do. But what they show publicly is probably very much scaled down from what the aircraft is capable of.
The documentary is not bad for a first overview on Russian aircraft.
Crappy music !)
I didn’t catch the name of the commander of the Tipetsk Airbase… according to the end of this documentary he seem to be one the the best Russian pilots.
The new PAK FA was publically shown at this weeks MAKS 2015 air show.
http://youtu.be/KKnlzVD6Rqw
7m:40s
A 5th gen fighter using thrust vectoring from the Su-35. Final stages of testing before production.
SU-35-Usually military films are not in the category of art, but this breaks the barriers. Cutting edge is what Russia is going to be known for in the future . Also, 37th humanitarian convey left for Donbass yesterday. When a people loses its heart, it loses the ability to be creatively human. I fear for the USA deeply.
Yes, it is really amazing, but more amazing it would be if all these economic and energy resources, all this creativity and skill were used to, for example, bring them food and medical supplies to Yemeni people under siege or to take her prosthesis to Anna Tuv or Anna Tuv to her prosthesis.
That we have to hold rooms as MAKS, continues to be symptomatic of the degree of moral decadence in which we are engaged, and here, no one, not even the Russians, are saved.
While we continue to celebrate these samples, borrowing from them and also are open to all, including the countries that are currently committing genocide against defenseless populations, it seems to me that we lack a lot to achieve a civilizational alternative.
@ elsi,
Q; bring them food and medical supplies to Yemeni people under siege or to take her prosthesis to Anna Tuv or Anna Tuv to her prosthesis.
R; No matter what anyone might say about you [and your ideas], you are an individual with his/her heart in the exact right place/spot.
Kudos to you.
In person I’d give you a BIG hug, but in this virtual world I can oily stick to;
:[]:
Thaks a lot, Daniel, but you surely have a heart bigger than mine.
A big hug back to you.;D
By the way, I forgot to thank you few days ago that link on the magnitude of the Universe. You see, I was entranced watching it until very late at night and then the next day I forgot to comment.
I found very beautiful and kept it. I reput here in case anyone fond on this not noticed.
This is also amazing and really worth to see
http://pulptastic.com/mind-blowing-interactive-animation-lets-experience-just-big-universe-really/
As I love to travel and I would like to see / know everything, everywhere, everybody, I would have liked to travel into space. Maybe someday…… who knows……
Hi elsi.
I agree, the gung-ho attitude toward a killing machine on this particular thread is absolutely appalling.
If this blog represents, and bring together, the good of mankind I truly believe there is no hope.
Is it nicknamed ” the Baryshnikov “?
Any confirmation of the Syrian shooting down the Zionist fighter jet?
Excuse me for a minute, I have to pick up my jaw from the floor :-))
I had no idea such manoeuvres were possible. Fantastic flying, fantastic hardware. Thanks for sharing a great video with us.
Watch the maneuvers starting at 30 sec. I believe that is a Mig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su82oGaJP6U
I have seen a few Air Shows in the USA, Thunderbirds, Blue Angels, but have never seen the maneuvers that the russian planes and their pilots perform.
The title of this video is Russian UFO Jet Fighters. Not too far from reality.
And watch this next, Combined Indian Russian crews flying the Su 30 MKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2knuZ5DdHTU
Where can you get this kind of cooperation?
The first video isn’t of Russian aircraft neither is it legit docu video. It’s essentially a satire.
Can you give us credible empirical evidence to back your claim?
The Su-35 is incredible however I just came across this video of a T-50, I assume taken at the MAK a few days ago. It is even more incredible! I have watched it several times and shake my head in disbelief at the skill of the pilot and the design and engineering of the plane and what it can do!!! In the late ’50s and early 60s I was in the Canadian air-force in Europe – we had Canadian Sabre 6s that were extremely maneuverable for the time, but what the Su-35 and T-50 do seems aeronautically impossible.
I understand that there is a deadly purpose to these beautiful machines but I believe that their superiority makes it unlikely they will ever be used in anger. Who would dare?
Anyway, take look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcoId7kZ6eE&annotation_id=54f75271-0000-2ebd-9ced-001a113d3a50&src_vid=UitH_40Hcec&feature=iv
Great video, thanks !
In Russian, about the T 50 Pak-Fa :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsGLMPUJbVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjIl4SozCPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qytzGIsZ5vQ
The Su35 demonstrates exceptional nose authority, controllability and engine surge tolerance throughout an extremely large flight envelope… especially for such a big aircraft. However, in visual BFM, depending on the weapons employed, the key factors are sustained turn rate and specific excess power. That is the ability to sustain hard turns without losing energy. That also means not manoeuvring at greater than the ‘stall’ angle of attack which “kills” energy. The SU 35 has a good thrust to weight, however, at high angles of attack I suggest it would have a lot of drag… like most swept wing fighters. I think the F22 has a sustained turn rate of 28 degree/ sec…. would love to know what the su35 could sustain.
That also means not manoeuvring at greater than the ‘stall’ angle of attack which “kills” energy
Yes, I heard that, frankly, “sour grapes” argument from US pilots. Makes me wonder why the US has spent so much money and time researching high AoA and post-stall maneuvers :-)
In reality, of course, the SU-35 would never behave in real combat like during an air show. The point of these movements is to demonstrate control. But the SU-35 also comes with an advance PESA (possibly to be replaced with an AESA in the near future) and long range weapons. However, unlike the Americans, the Russians have never given up on dogfighting and should the long range engagement not suffice then the SU-35 pilot would have a strong advantage, especially with this HMS and AA-11s. High AoA are energy killers, true, but if they allow you to do things like “breaking” or rapidly pointing than it is worth it, especially if you can count on a high T/W ratio to regain speed.
At the end of the day, most engagement will depend on training and the understanding of the weaknesses and strengths of the other guy and his aircraft. This being sad, there is a lot which Russian aircraft can do (if they chose to) which US aircraft cannot. And that gives the Russians a definitive advantage, even if it is no silver bullet :-)
Cheers,
The Saker
PS: by the way, the SU-35 also have a formidable electronic counter-measures and jamming capability.
Every expert knows that the F-35 is a lemon, just a way to milk the taxpayers in various countries to the benefit of Lockheed Martin and its shareholders.
McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet on the other hand is a very capable plane and affordable.
As far as the SU-35 goes.
A highlight of russian engenering.
Weapon nevertheless.
I just wish the effort would put into technology that helps people to live instead of destroying them.
Wishful thinking, I know.
Like a ballet.
Would love to see the F 35 ‘Flying Turkey’ up against these, but the septics don’t do fair fights, do they.
We cannot view this video. Copyright infringement according to YT.