by GH Eliason
Over the last couple of years I’ve written volumes on fascists making inroads into American politics and civil life. With civil and human rights it starts with understanding a little about what’s known as the Four Freedoms. And there are many legitimate civil rights groups today that go under that banner.
In 1941, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt gave what became known as the Four Freedoms speech. He proposed that there were four freedoms that people everywhere in the world should enjoy. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Worship, Freedom from Want, and Freedom from Fear. The speech was mainly concerned with national security and democracies that were heading into a world war. The first two freedoms are enshrined in the Bill of Rights. The last two were and are revolutionary.
Unfortunately ever since the Four Freedoms were first spoken it have been used politically to gear America up for war. They became a cornerstone of American Exceptionalism and intervention.
After World War II, the same groups that manned the gas chambers of the Holocaust took up the mantle of human rights victims and human rights advocates by starting groups named according to these freedoms and hiding among the legitimate rights groups.
By building a track record working for their own pet project civil rights, they thought no one would look at their own history very closely. They found over time by supporting legitimate human rights efforts, they could count on real activists to take up their causes.
What you need to decide is whether these are or aren’t the kind of groups you want support from. It’s that simple. Accepting the help is saying what they are and what they do is fine with you.
In reality when you start looking up their history, the first thing that comes up is files Released Under the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act.” I’m referring to the Organization for the Defense of Four Freedoms for Ukraine, Inc.
This is the only human rights group has the distinction of taking its name from a speech by a US president they tried to assassinate. If you scroll down their Face Book page you’ll notice they are not shy about Ukrainian nazi flags or support of neo-nazis murderers like Pravy Sektor. This despite the fact that they say they subscribe to the “freedom from fear” part.
In an official statement from 2004 in Ukraine Weekly they are a little more open about their participation with Adolf Hitler. They were the prison guards that committed the Holocaust and Waffen SS that the Nazis were afraid of.
“Ukraine Weekly 2004 statement- National Executive Organization for the Defense of Four Freedoms for Ukraine, Inc.
Over 55 years ago, a group of Ukrainian Americans, guided by a love for their native Ukraine created a committee in the United States that would support the liberation of Ukraine during World War II. Their committee supported the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army as they fought against the Nazi and Communist occupation of Ukraine. This committee became the Organization for the Defense of Four Freedoms for Ukraine, named after President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s famous address wherein he declared that all nations and individuals have the right to freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom from fear and a freedom from want. Today, we reiterate our commitment to defend these four freedoms for Ukraine.”
What they don’t say is that during the war, they killed 3 million prisoners of war, 250,000 Jews including the first recorded act of Holocaust at Babi Yar. During the war, Ukrainian Americans were in charge of the SS battalions that were fighting and directed them from the USA. As late as 1945, the Ukrainian Diaspora was asking Adolf Hitler to fund new armies.
And they have never changed their political views. In 2014, they bought the bullets used to kill 100 protesters that were on their side sparking the Ukrainian coup against Victor Yanukovych.
According to the Huff Post, “Apparently, the aid doesn’t stop there. In a Newsweek interview, Ukrainian rightist Dmitry Yarosh admits that he has received U.S. dollars from the Ukrainian Diaspora. Yarosh is a leader of Right Sektor and has been training paramilitary fighters for almost 25 years. Moreover, Foreign Affairs notes that the Diaspora reportedly funds infamous Azov Battalion, a volunteer outfit which is enthralled by wartime Nazi insignia and iconography. Al-Jazeera remarks that “While the battalion is recognized by the Interior Ministry and provided with some arms, it is largely funded by charity from Ukrainians, wealthy businessmen, the Ukrainian diaspora and other European far-right groups.
Officially, Ottawa has pledged the Azov Battalion will not receive Canadian training or support. However, such pledges aren’t enshrined in law and the authorities have remarked defensively that Azov Battalion and a “small number of bad apples” shouldn’t be allowed to tarnish the entire Ukrainian defense effort. Meanwhile, within the Canadian Diaspora the Azov Battalion is reportedly a “touchy subject.” The Globe and Mail reports, “While opinions are divided, many see the 1,500-man Azov unit as being populated not with neo-Nazis and white supremacists, but with patriots willing to fight in order to rollback Russian-backed separatists.”
What does this have to do with the Women’s March or Trump protests that are following? They along with George Soros are providing most of the media coverage and providing tens of thousands of protesters to liven things up.
When you look at the list of groups supported by Soros, there is a couple that stand out which support the Women’s march. Common Cause sticks out because of what they did in Ukraine when the protests heated up. They killed people and stepped back to watch the carnage.
Another is the Four Freedoms Fund. This group started by Soros, to was designed to serve as
a conduit through which large foundations could fund state based open borders organizations more flexibly and quickly. It does this through ethnic-specific groups to coordinated state and national campaigns that advance immigration reform and defend the rights of immigrants.
“FFF’s mission is “to secure the full integration of immigrants as active participants in our democracy.” Designed to serve as a conduit through which charitable foundations could bankroll the activities of immigrant-rights organizations with maximum efficiency and flexibility.
The Four Freedoms Fund (FFF) was established in 2003 by Geri Mannion (a director with the Carnegie Corporation of New York) and Taryn Higashi (deputy director of the Ford Foundation’s Human Rights Unit). The Fund’s name was suggested by Craig McGarvey, a consultant and former program officer of the James Irvine Foundation, who was inspired by the Norman Rockwell paintings based on former President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous “Four Freedoms” speech.”
Is the Four Freedoms Fund tied to the Ukrainian Nazi supporting Defense of Four Freedoms? If this is the case then it’s legitimate proof of how much media and NGO pull the Ukrainian emigres have. While researching for an article I came upon this.
Why is the Ukrainian propaganda website euromaidan press recommending reading at Carnegie Moscow? The Ukrainian website was started and is owned by Sviatoslav Yurash. He was the spokesman for Maidan, Dimitry and Yarosh’s spokesman. Euromaidan press has been in the process of whitewashing history for the last 3 years. They are making the perpetrators of the Holocaust into heroes. Yurash has been promoted to deputy director of the Ukrainian World Congress Kiev office.
Euromaidan press is propped up by the Ukrainian-American Diaspora. They are connected through the Atlantic Council, Stopfake, and Informnapalm. All three are tied into Ukrainian Intelligence Services.
In the US they provided Team Clinton with an almost unbeatable voting bloc during election cycle 2016. And this same group are behind the organization of and media supporting the anti-Trump protests.
How Much Influence Did They Have in the Election? This is the question to start with. First, let’s look at the raw numbers.
Starting in early June 2016, I started writing about real voting blocs that have the size to shape national politics. The simple math works like this. Out of 231,556,622 eligible voters, 25.6% voted for Clinton, and 25.5% voted for Trump. This is the final voter percentage tallies.
Out of the eligible voter pool, if we take 13%(low conservative reckoning) which make up the combined emigre bloc vote, their contribution is 30,102,360 bloc votes. Not shown at the CEEC link are the Middle East, South and Central American, Russian, or the Asian portions of the emigre bloc.
These articles show the background of the groups and how they work together en-bloc. I wrote them back then for today.
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Out of Hillary Clinton’s total count of 65,844,610 votes, the emigre bloc made up 45% of the total because 92,622,648 Americans didn’t cast their ballot. Keep that last figure in mind for later.
In real terms 13% became 45% because of low voter turnout. The emigre bloc percentage is based on total eligible voters (231,556,622) and the bloc number didn’t change. When the real vote total was known, it could be measured against the bloc. The value of the votes in the bloc skyrocketed with low turnout.
The reason Bernie Sanders would not have a snowballs chance in hell is the combined bloc vote. Bernie should have been a shoo-in for them. His father is Galician. Galicia is the still disputed land between Poland and Ukraine including the regional capital of Lviv. He claims Polish ancestry, and that is the true nationality border or no border. Both emigre groups claim to support Polish and Ukrainian people. He was the natural candidate for them except for one thing.
Until the fall of the Soviet Union, these groups were known as the anticommunist emigres. They are the children of groups that manned Hitler’s SS. The problem with Sanders is he calls himself a Socialist. He was not electable as long as this type of bloc vote exists. If Sanders got the nod to run in the general election, a deal would have been cut for a new Republican candidate at the convention. If you look back, things started to shape up that way.
The only thing a nationalist hates worse than an enemy outside his country, is the enemy within. For an anticommunist and nationalist, there is no greater enemy than a socialist. Progressive’s have already forgotten how Sanders was derailed. Most progressives don’t realize that very directly, it WAS the emigre community that did it.
Even after seeing Propornot, progressive, libertarian, and conservative publications are spewing the memes created by these same people that put them on lists to be hacked, isolated, and eventually shut down. It started when journalists started questioning the Syria narrative and supporting ISIS.
Did the “Berners” make any change to the Democratic party? “It is very concerning that Bernie Sanders is so intent on taking over a party that he’s not even a member of that he’d insult the beloved vice president — and really the president — about a failed status quo approach,” said Texas Democratic chairman Gilberto Hinojosa.” Was Sanders ever a viable candidate for the Democratic Party? Was he ever treated like one?
The only chance he had was to tap into the over 90 million that did not vote. It’s not coincidental that the number coincides with Obama’s 5% jobless report. These people are too disaffected to vote, but had they, would it be for another Democrat?
If what I’m saying is true then there would have to be some evidence of this in the Woman’s March/ Inaugural Protest and following protests. And there is, but it’s not pretty.
If you look at the gray hat in the left image and the one in the center of the right image, it’s the same hat. This particular hat, as well as the rest of the young man’s clothing are a designer version of the OUNb Nazi uniform. This is the same uniform the Bandera OUNb wore when they manned the Concentration Camps in Europe.
This is the same uniform that they wore when they starved 3 million prisoners of war to death. This is the same uniform they wore when they murdered over 250,000 Jews and close to 500,000 Ukrainians. Behind him is the Ukrainian flag.
Today, this is the same uniform he wore to support the Woman’s march. The CEEC and Ukrainian emigres are behind most of the press hype, support articles and organization for the Women’s march and all the subsequent protests.
Standing next to him and working in concert is Shia Labeouf, actor, activist, and a Polish Jewish- American by background. In the video below, if you turn the sound off and focus on the image, you’ll see them smiling at each other. The unknown Ukrainian- American nazi and Labeouf appear to be dancing together. Labeouf got good press for it.
What do the Central and Eastern European American emigres believe politically? Are they Democrats, Progressive, or even Conservative? Shown above , it is integral nationalism in the same sense that drove Adolf Hitler.
They still celebrate the people that tried to murder Franklin Delano Roosevelt. They still celebrate the Ukrainian Americans that commanded the SS battalions fighting against the USA.
Today they still celebrate the SS murderers that perpetrated the Holocaust. The most awesome weapon fascists have in 2017 are human and civil rights. Every time they successfully hide behind a legitimate cause, they win. Every time they create a “legitimate cause” they win. In the most cynical fashion progressives are being corralled into supporting memes they stood against for the last sixteen years.
For years progressives, centrists, and libertarians have complained about the George Soros inspired color revolutions around the world. Why are progressives flocking to the very people that want to take away their freedoms hoping they are protecting them?
What does this have to do with the Women’s March or protests that are following? Along with George Soros are the CEEC and Ukrainians are providing most of the media coverage. They are providing tens to hundreds of thousands of protesters depending on location to liven things up.
Among the nasty women at the protest, the Ukrainians provided their own homegrown version to show women how to protest Donald Trump.
She looks like a nasty woman protester doesn’t she? What they didn’t say is what it takes to make them happy again.
As you can see, she has her clothes on. Behind her, almost 400 people were killed or are missing at Odessa in May, 2014. The integral nationalists burned them to death. This is Femen’s vision for your protests.
Among this group’s natural partners is the Syrian American Council. These Syrians are also integral nationalist emigres. By protesting a stronger vetting process the US may end up with the same problem the UK had in 2015.
“The Prime Minister has come under under fire after the International Development Committee, which is investigating the Syrian refugee crisis, received evidence that ISIS and other Islamic extremist groups were running the camps within the war-torn country, but also in Lebanon and Jordan where the majority of the 20,000 heading for the UK are currently based.”
In one of the most cynical manipulations yet, Holocaust survivors are being asked their opinion of Trump’s refugee policy. While it makes a good headline, instead of asking about refugees, they should be asked if mixed groups should be vetted for terrorists too. A fair question would be “were they willing to let the Nazis that killed their families to emigrate with them to America.”
It was Steve Bannon that first breathed “Muslim ban.” And Soros media is sticking that statement down Trumps throat now. Maybe that part is for the better. The US government needs to say precisely what it means. The problem is while everyone and their brother are having their relevant article day, they are ignoring National Security issues.
Let’s look at how the CEEC and Ukrainian emigre groups look at Holocaust victims and Jews 2017. We know their families tortured and killed during WWII but that was over 70 years ago.
Like many of the CEEC countries are managed by the American emigres, Ukraine is no exception. They were behind Yanukovych’s ouster and the nationalist uprising, murder, and the war in Donbass. Apparently, they still don’t think much of Holocaust victims or Jews in general.
The fact that they have to hide their background and try to keep their involvement quiet does not cover their sins. For Progressives, women’s rights, civil rights, or human rights activists, are these legitimate partners to protest with?
“I’ve seen how our heroes, activists, journalists, and celebrities have completely sold their souls to support something no person with an iota of morality would do. I’ve seen them say and do things to derail candidates who would have been a million times better for those less fortunate around us. It’s unfortunate most pretend to fight the establishment, to act like they love the people more than they love the struggle and the relevance that it brings them. I am not one of those and I won’t continue to be until the good Lord takes me.” Cesar Vargas
I agree with Cesar Vargas wholeheartedly.
As long as you attempt to tie anything you don’t agree with to Hitler and NAZI’s, you’re being disingenous. News flash, it doesn’t work anymore and you paint yourself in a bad light. It’s the same tactic used by the disingenous left to steer the world into this PC SJW hellhole, now breathing down your (Russia’s) neck. The one that stifles all discussion because… HITLER!
Next time, try to make valid arguments instead of trying to invoke an emotional response with loaded arguments.
Hi Joel, I’m not tying it to Hitler. The tie is to Bandera. Bandera ties to Hitler. Not my problem. If integral nationalists love nazism, it’s not my problem.
If they wear their little concentration camp holocaust killer outfits supporting human rights, not my problem.
If America is being steered into a nazi hellhole, it is my problem. It should be yours too.
Just deal with the facts in the article. I don’t see anything in your comment that relies on one.
The point I was trying to make was that using the term Hitler or NAZI is self-defeating unless you are 100% in support of the globalist cultural marxist view.
The reason Russia is under attack by Ukro-“nazi”s and western globalists is because Russia refuses to give up sovereignty to their diabolical one world government plans, all in the name of “world peace”, “tolerance”, and climate change — all of which are only slogans to mask their nefarious plans to enslave everyone.
So where does that leave Nationalism for Russia? Where does the continued use of National Socialism as a cludgeon to villainize everyone who rebels against globalism leave you?
You should seriously examine the situation in the U.S where nefarious people are so firmly entrenched it increasing looks like civil war is the only way to dislodge them. Are they descendence of NAZIs? Their globalist idealogy doesn’t look like Nationalism to me.
I don’t see him saying that “every” bad group has nazi roots. But either a group “does” or “does not” have those roots. It appears that he shows that those groups do have those roots. What reason should he have for “not” exposing that.
Yes, they are actually to a certain extent the descendants of the worst monsters of WWII, that’s where these stupid Euromaidan supporters & pussyhats align themselves with and where they actually work for (Eliason makes that very clear). And then they of course (typically) accuse their peaceful opponents of being Nazis or authoritarians.
The Hitler Project was entirely an MI6/CIA Roth-child project, a temporary boogiemen project at that, regardless of what’d be the outcome of the war. Not unlike Roth-child mafia’s al-Qaeda-ISIS project now. Marine general and later anti-war veteran Smedley Butler prevented an openly (Roth-child Nazi) fascist totalitarian regime in the US at the same time as Hitler & Co. grabbed power (1933).
Because of the omnipresence of Roth-child media (and ‘educational’ system) disinformation and omissions many people still believe in a pack of lies about the ‘Nazis’ (there also were no gas chamber death camps for instance, but there were US Roth-child Nazi Rheinwiesenlager). Anyway, these west Ukrainian Nazi goons were and still are clearly the rabid animals and worst psychopaths among the Nazi-NATO-ISIS goons.
@”Stalin” (???)
I completely agree that the enemy is using cultural Marxism to destroy the United States. That said, the puppet masters, like Soros and the other big foundations (all globalists) are willing to and do make unholy coalitions to achieve their goals and that speaks to what the author has said. I could do without the “holocaust” references, though, and I always have to fight to keep my mind open to what’s being said when the Jew suffering card is used. Sixty million died in WWII.
Soros and the other demons causing world chaos are masters at 1.) stirring up latent hatred and resentment (or even creating it where it didn’t exist) and, 2.) bringing together those who would otherwise be at odds, all for the goal of the destruction of western Christian civilization and national sovereignty. The destruction of national sovereignty (independent nation states) is not a Nazi (fascist) goal but a Marxist (internationalist) agenda. It is nothing short of sheer genius how Ukrainian nationalists were/are used in this effort of the internationalists considering how much those Ukrainians claim to hate communism (internationalism).
Some of the bizarre coalitions:
Planned parenthood (abortion) & the Muslim Brotherhood (anti abortion)
Anti communist Ukrainian nationalists & EU Marxist internationalists
Black Americans (high unemployment) and illegal Mexican & Latin American aliens who drive down wages and compete for jobs
Homosexuals & “LGBTQ” & the Muslim Brotherhood
Muslims and secular humanist atheists
Latin American & illegal alien Catholics with atheists & Muslims
Leftist Jews & Sharia supporting Muslims
I’m sure there are more unholy alliances that I’m not thinking of or will be cooked up and implemented. Point being, the commonality is anti white “European” Christian culture. Some of those in the alliances are useful idiots (brainwashed) and others are fully aware but willing to use each other (my enemy’s enemy is my friend).
Ultimately, the driving force and hidden hand behind it all is international Jewry. That’s not just me saying that but Jews like Gilad Atzmon and Israel Shamir who recently wrote this for a site to which The Saker also contributes:
The Muslims are being used as silent partners in the Jewish war on the
Church. Instead of saying: “We, Jews, do not want to hear church bells,
see Christmas scenes and hear Christian blessings”, these modest and
retiring people usually refer to Muslims. Muslims do not want to hear
church bells and see Christmas trees, they say. We Jews are just more
considerate towards our Muslim brethren, so we notice that, while you
brutes do not. Muslim sensitivities are already quoted in Germany to
exclude pork-based local delicacies and to ban Christmas celebrations.
It doesn’t matter that normally Muslims do not object to Christmas
celebrations, as we know from our experience in Palestine. The Jews and
other enemies of the Church say it all the same.
With the new ISIS-infected Muslims, the war on the Church will proceed
even better. For sure, the US judges like the Seattle one will ban
Christmas celebrations in a few years’ time citing the same refugees
they insist on delivering to America’s shores.
The war on Christ and the Church is the most important element of
Judaism. Wherever Jews succeed, the Church suffers, and vice versa.
Israel, the Jewish state, has been located at the cradle of Christianity
not by whim of Zionists: actually, the leading Zionist Theodore Herzl
called for establishing the Jewish state elsewhere, from Uganda (modern
Kenya) to Argentina. But the struggle against Christ necessitated their
choice of Palestine with its deep Christian roots.
The most popular Jewish early medieval text glorified Judas for his
victory over Jesus Christ. Fight against the Church and Christ in-formed
Jewish weapons: media and money. The Church was an enemy of
moneylenders; interest has been forbidden by the church, but it was used
by Jews to accumulate their vast capital to be used against the Church.
As for media, the present concentration of almost all mass media in
Jewish hands began in France of 19th century, where Jews formed a
conspiracy to own and control media and they used it with great success
against the Church during the Third Republic, notably in connection with
Dreyfus Affair. (I previously wrote about it in a review).
The Jews usually acted in union with Protestants, as they were also
enemies of the Church. Protestants, certainly, believed they were using
the Jews for their own benefit, but in the end, separate and mutually
hostile Protestant Churches submitted to the single will of Jews. This
is why Jewish positions are so strong in the US in the absence of a
single national church. Judging by the migration affair, it appears the
Jews believe they can make a next step in their fight with Christ: by
using the Islamic fanatics as a cover, they plan to push the church
underground, out of public space altogether.
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-futile-efforts-of-donald-trump/
So, yeah, some descendants of Nazis, Nazi sympathizers and actual Nazis are being used and happy to be used in these alliances, as are the other oddball groups brought together to accomplish their goals which are nothing but temporarily useful to the people pulling their strings and funding them – the Tribe. All of the individual special interests take part in the hopes of advancing their particular agendas (abortion, Sharia, war against Russia, normalizing homosexuality and other deviant behaviors, whatever). It would be great if they all killed each other but, eventually, they’ll want to kill us.
While what has happened in Ukraine was a manipulation of unfinished business and old hatreds from WWII, I believe it’s a mistake to pigeonhole too much as “fascist”, “Nazi” or “nationalist”. Things are far more complex than that. Ideologies morph and alliances shift. When it comes to the United States, Marxism and fascism are so completely foreign to what this country was founded on. I saw this coming for a long time and now it’s here – the toxic European politics being used, along with Islamic immigration to destroy what some of history’s greatest thinkers, America’s Founding Fathers, created. IMO, it’s vital people under attack by the globalists understand the complexities, the strange alliances, who is behind and WHY. Israel Shamir and Gilad Atzmon have been trying tell people but will enough understand before it’s too late?
The annihilation of Orthodox Christians, what is left of in the ME, Eastern Europe, Europe-Greece would be complete if Russia is defeated. Islam, West-Crusaders, and Zionists have united against this indigenous Orthodox Christianity. The alliance of the Gulf states with Anglozionists, using their terrorists ISIS and Daesh would and are in the process of eliminating this faith even as we speak. Russia/and God is the only hope.
Watch this and feel disgusted:
Trump is Hitler!!!
This is what Trump will get whenever he attempts rapproachment with Russia.
Whomever the globalists don’t agree with are labeled ‘Hitler’ and ‘NAZI’. They are terms that no longer have specific meaning but to denigrate anyone who thinks taking care of one’s own is ‘racist’.
Hitler and nazism, as well as fascism, do have specific meanings — very specific in the case of Ukraine, as well as various people in the US…. and to a fair extent the idiot who was shouting down Carlson in that video. She sort of touched on a few points which should be looked at, but she was not interested in looking or discussing but bullying, which is what nazis and fascists do. It wouldn’t surprise me if she was being paid to do that stuff.
Yet, not everyone who talks about nazis are like her, because the real thing does exist, and quite openly in Ukraine, and in some of the political parties in the US ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nazi_Party ). There are those in the US who collaborate and support Nazis in Ukraine, and there were those who did it before WW2 — they are found all over the world, and whatever you call them, call them goblins, orcs, Banderists, nazis, fascists, or whatever, if you want — they are about the same. That there are those who use the word inappropriately or to deceive does not mean they don’t exist.
The 4chan trolls got to you guys to. Every thing is Nazi nowadays, how can we argue otherwise right?
Just in case the super-duper analysts here didn’t understand it, i ll make it clear, 4chan trolled Shia leboufs “Art” project and apparently subsequently you guys to!
Sakers blog has very often nice thoughts and insights but sometimes i think you guys are stuck in the left spectrum of politics for like half a century ago, the world has changed and you have been trolled.
ps. some facts: Not all bad guys are or should be nazis, not all people you disagree with are or should be nazis , nazis lost the ww2 and other people are in charge , if a girl doesn’t like you doesn’t mean she is nazi.
Let e help you out; too means also. To is transitive adverb. Two is , well, 2.
Bandera is worse than Hitler
Though widely believed to exist proof of any order from Hitler of mass genocide remains elusive.
OTOH plenty of proof of OUN militants, torturing, gang raping Jewish & Polish women, the machine gunning them in mass graves, many locals brought farm tools, knives & even swords to kill their neighbours.
Not hating on Ukrainians, I like Ukrainians, it is just that the perpetrators of these crimes were never dealt with same hard hand of justice Germans of the day were. As a result, their legacy lives on till today.
Well said. This article should be on another forum.
It is fine right here.
Stalin, you mean a ‘valid argument’ such as you made earlier that a MIG-31 and its R-33 missile can reach an altitude of 35,786 kilometers?
/how-russia-implements-the-minsk-2-agreement-by-scott-humor/#comments
I don’t know whether a Mig31 and R33 can do that or not. The argument I was making in the comment section was that the outlook for Ukrainian peace due to Minsk2 layed out by the article is too optimistic due to all the shenanigans available to NATO.
There’s probably not much use in me pointing this out as I already have done so with the specificatons for the MIG-31 and the R-33. You appear unreceptive to facts.
It should be blindingly obvious that a jet engine requires air both to burn fuel and for the MIG-31 wings to give lift. Winged flight above 80,000 feet becomes difficult because there is little air left.
At 35,786 kilometers above the earth it is impossible.
The R-33’s range is less than 1 percent of 35,786 kilometers.
stalin, your argument does not seem to make much sense… You say that the author is ‘disingenuous’ by connecting the neoliberal attacks, against a President who opposes them, with fascist / neo-nazi tactics. BUT, they are accusing Trump – and indirectly its supporters – of being Nazis, aren’t they? They are accusing everybody that opposes them of being nazis! Should we be quiet and accept this accusation?
The neoliberals adopted fascist policies for decades all over the world – for the sole benefit of a small transnational elite. And it became clear that, indeed, they adopted neo-nazi tactics by ‘employing’ neo-nazis to put down an elected president in Ukraine.
What the neoliberals are doing in the US, now – by appealing to ‘differences of identity’ (race, religion, sex ‘preferences’ propagated by their media…) to mobilise people against a government that they, the neoliberals, fear -, is indeed very similar to the neo-nazi tactics they used in Ukraine. Segregated into groups, people can be easily manipulated by the commanders of the uprising into acting in a way that does indeed evoke the nazi era. The ferocity of the rioters is fearsome. The commanders of the uprising know what they are doing: they are trying to oust President Trump, like they ousted the legitimate president of Ukraine, to bring the fascist neoliberals back to power in the US.
I’ve made that point here before: If you want to destroy your credibility fast just start throwing around Hitler/Nazi comparisons.
Doesn’t seem to be making any difference.
If it is a baseless claim, just thrown out their tho demonize someone/one side, than the person making the claim is just exposing that (s)he’ll use fabricated claims, slender, character assassination tactics to damage his opponents. Thereby showing his/her lack of integrity, trustworthiness or self thinking in case of a parrot.
But when the connection is historically accurate, and to this day the leaders from that dark past are held in high regard, then it is a valid point.
I stopped reading it at gas chambers. All the so called colour revolutions are straight out judeo-commie Satanists at play.
Missed the obvious Ukie-nazi mole in the Trudeau cabinet… Chrystia Freeland.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/01/27/chrystia-freeland-family-record-nazi-war-murder-cracow-jews.html
No, I didn’t. I wasn’t writing about Canada’s huge issues with this. 1/3rd of their government is controlled by these types of nationalists. Almost all foreign policy.
@ George Ellison: You didn’t reference her directly, by name. And compared to the rest of the Trudeau gov’t, Freeland is the most virulent Ukie infection. I know about Freeland because I am Canadian and tend to focus in on any articles referring to my country. Readers from other countries would not know that your general statements about Canada’s support of the Kiev junta were more closely tied to Freeland remaining covertly true to her ancestor’s Banderite/Nazi past.
The Harperite Conservatives are little more than Tea Party North, so no foreign policy joy there either.
Yes, Canada really has a Ukie Nazi problem, there’re even more of them in Canada than in the US. No wonder the Canadian regime is importing ISIS though, birds of a feather..
@ Laika: The Cdn Kiev-junta-Ukie support problem is primarily in the Lib-Con power structures and ethnic-vote pandering. Most politically aware Canadians have no use for US/NATO military misadventures. Unfortunately the majority of Canadians only know the “It’s all Russia/Putin’s fault” propaganda screeching across the border and disseminated by Canadian Press. And that still gets drowned out by “non-news” news and sycophant “analysis”. Saker readers should take a gander once as day at CBC (or any of the other network “news” sites, they all just parrot Canadian Press releases) to see what passes for news. It is really sad. I mostly look at it to see what is not reported, or what the spinmeisters have done to legit stories they can’t ignore.
http://www.cbc.ca/news
The Syrian refugees brought to Canada are Not ISIS. Even CBC gets that, so not sure where Laika gets her mis-info.
It’s remarkable how the lobbyists who raised such an uproar over the support for BDS sanctions on some Canadian university campuses and by the Canadian Green Party (who holds exactly one seat in Parliament) are so silent when a direct Nazi descendent is the Foreign Affairs Minister in a majority government. I guess this lobby just doesn’t feel threatened by that. Who knew??
Canada’s problem is with the CIA and the US State Department (recently occupied by anti-deplorable, Israel-first, Hilary Clinton.) The assests you refer to belong to them. And yet another reminder, that the current majority government won the election while campaigning on restoring ties with Russia.
I don’t agree with SanctuaryOne’s view that the majority of Canadians are Russophobic to some extent. Remember when Canada won that hockey championship last year, and Putin congratulated the players on the ice, directly? Putin was apparently well received in Facebook and Twitter accounts by Canadians. I think Canadians (the majority) are afraid to say the wrong thing about Russia because we have all these d*mn agency-funded provocateurs trying to convince everyone that Canada is anti-Russia. Some of these people are quite aggressive and articulate too. Most Canadians seem to just stay out of the conversation altogether because of all the trouble. That’s my view.
Well you just met one Canadian who is not afraid to state the plain fact that Canada is a vassal state of the US/Deep State/Rothchild et.al. project. Our sovereignty was sold off in pieces, the biggest chunk with NAFTA and the “Fortress America” security agreements. It started in earnest with Pearson and Diefenbaker, worse with Mulroney and Martin. At least Cretien had the balls to tell the US to get stuffed over the Iraq invasion, even if Mumbles Martin kissed George W. Stupid’s ass over Afghanistan, opening the door for Harper to waste over $18billion playing warrior-prince.
Russia and China should be Canada’s best friends, as the US will abuse Canada until all our oil/resources are gone and leave the Cdn taxpayer to clean up the mess.
And yes, we suffer essentially the same BS political duopoly as the US, made absolutely clear with Trudeau signing off on all of Harper’s legacy pipelines, arms deals, US/NATO military misadventures and corporate-rights trade deals. Trudeau even backed off on changing the First Past The Post electoral system, which was a main campaign promise. If he backs off on pot legalization as well, the Liberals will find themselves a distant 3rd, with the gov’t being formed by any party promising both those and getting Canada out of the US’s military pocket. And that won’t be the CONservatives under Kevin O’Dreary, our home-grown Trumpy wanna-be. Post-Mulcaire NDP? Maybe… but not likely.
nice try, I respect your views, and especially your frustration, but I think you are washing over some of the steps taken by Trudeau’s government (who I didn’t vote for):
1) Trudeau has brought Canada significantly closer to China, with comments on the closeness of Canada’s relationship with China given by Premier Li
2) total shift in Canada’s relationship with Russia: former Foreign Affairs Minister Dion actually met with Lavrov (and shook his hand!!) and Lavrov in his speech at the Munich Security Conference spoke about a “common space of security, good-neighbourliness and development from Vancouver to Vladivostok”. Total 180 degree shift from the previous government.
3) Trudeau refused to back out of the sales of military vehicles to Saudi Arabia because he wanted to show that Canada’s word means something in international relations. When Trump pulled the US out of the TPP, he was confronted with questions of whether he could be trusted in international agreements (from Asian countries specifically, Vietnam being one). If Trudeau had pulled Canada out of either the deal with Saudi Arabia or the TPP, he would have produced the same reaction, wouldn’t he? A barrier to trade with Asia, maybe even China?
4) last poll I saw reported that Trudeau still has about 50% support overall. While pills may be questionable, the Liberal party seems to be a long way away from third.
5) The electoral reform (which I heavily supported) was cancelled because it wouldn’t be good for Canada, Trudeau said. The fringe parties would hold the balance of power. Is there an argument against this? To me, it seems to be true, especially with all the seemingly Soros/CIA/USSD funded political players on the scene right now. Who are ruining Canada’s political system – hopefully only temporarily.
Wow!!! “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” – George Orwell
Nice “respect you views but… ” tactic. The facts I stated stand.
The only WMD (Weapons of Mass Distraction, i.e. propaganda) apologist item I will address is electoral reform. The rest is obvious BS partisan talking points. I wondered if Cdn-centric political operatives were reading/posting here at Saker, now we know. I doubt an NDPer would be kissing Lib butt so ardently, so you’re likely a Harper-Con who has discovered exactly what I said… the Trudeau gov’t is carrying on most of the same policies as the gov’t Canadians soundly rejected, so you suddenly approve. But you agree with my “frustration” at the Trudeau-Libs, not because they are carrying on in the Harper-Con footsteps, but because they are not doing more to support trapping Canada in the Globalist Empire Deep State project. Not sure what that might be, other than asking for Canada to become the 51st state.
Trudeau (actually the Liberal Party election braintrust, directed by their US/corporate masters), discovered that ranked ballots to assure Libs-forever was actually slow political suicide, as the Lib-Con kabuki is needed to hide where the real power lies… the US/Zionist Deep State.
A mixed proportional rep system similar to New Zealand was the most likely result if Canadians got the reform they voted for. That would forever break the faux-difference duopoply strangle-hold the Lib-Con combine holds at the behest of Wall/Bay Streets and the US/NATO MIC, which you scare-monger as “fringe parties would hold the balance of power”. Certainly there are lessons to be learned from the inadequacies of various prop-rep systems world wide, but there is developing a reasonable framework to ensure all political voices are heard while breaking the grip on Parliament by the modern international Family Compact that the Lib-Con duopoly owes allegiance to.
Why would the “Soros/CIA/USSD” crowd you cite support “fringe parties” to upset the existing cozy arrangement where serial Lib-Con gov’ts support their corporate-rights international trade deals and US/Zionist/Saudi-backed wars and regime-change colour revolutions all over EurAsia?
Trudeau just sent 200 military “advisers” to help the illegal Ukie Kiev junta shell/invade the citizens of the Autonomous Republics of Donbass/Lugansk. Explain how that is helping Kiev honour the Minsk-II agreement?
Cdn jets are illegally bombing in Syria, as only Russia, Hezbollah and Turkey are currently invited by the legal, UN-recognized Assad gov’t .
Both wars have significant Soros-backed machinations. Ya, Soros/CIA is going to endanger all that… Not!
As Twain said (Mark, not Shania) “If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it.”
Unfortunately, Canada’s support for Ukraine, NATO and Russophobia includes all parties in the Canadian parliament. Including the faux-left NDP rump opposition, the same that unanimously approved NATO’s destruction of Libya led by a Canadian, Lt Gen Charles Bouchard, now CEO of Lockheed Martin Canada. Pity Canadians are so blase about allowing the wholesale capture of foreign policy by ultranationalist lobbies like the Zio and Banderites.
Unanimous Support for Ukraine War by Parties in Canadian Parliament
http://www.globalresearch.ca/unanimous-support-for-ukraine-war-by-parties-in-canadian-parliament/5448186
NDP Response to Ukrainian Canadian Congress Questionnaire
http://ucc.ca/?attachment_id=21367
PS Actually, the quote: “If voting changed anything they’d make it illegal” was by Emma Goldman, not Mark Twain.
As one of them, it has been and continues to be my experience that Canadians generally show a level of disdain for Russians and particularly towards Putin and the Russian govenment. It’s not particularly deep russophobia but they believe the propaganda and vilifications that are continually hammered out. Many older Canadians also associate Russsia with the Soviet Union which is not too surprising. The 10% Ukrainian (mostly Kiev side) population doesn’t help either.
I am also aware that during the Harper regime era that there was little to no dissent over his Russophobia or even comment over his immediate and unconditional prostration before the Kiev junta NeoFascists after the coup.
Valentina Lisitsa having her concert cancelled in Toronto is another example of deeper hatred for Russian speakers in E. Ukraine although to their credit the concert in western Canada (Calgary) went ahead.
Let me just say that I’d be very happy to be proved wrong. Overjoyed in fact.
You are not wrong although there are exeptions. I am one of them.
R
Glad to meet you R.
And to Christo below, I think this from Balcerac sums it up very eloquently:
““The sins of the grandfather can hardly be attributed to the granddaughter,” says Polish investigator Balcerac, “—except for two, race hatred and lying. Chomiak made a lucrative war selling hatred of Jews, Poles and Russians. Freeland is doing the same preaching race hatred of Russians. To mask what she’s doing, she has lied about the Nazi record of her family. The Chomiaks weren’t victims; they were aggressors.””
http://johnhelmer.net/victim-or-aggressor-chrystia-freelands-family-record-for-nazi-war-profiteering-and-murder-of-the-cracow-jews/
Read and weep.
I think there are far more “exceptions” than are given credit for. Yes, we Canadians are far too polite for our own good, but that doesn’t mean a majority totally buy the extreme US-incited Russophobia. In fact I find only the hardcore Con-base (about 30% of the voting population) are not moved when presented with the actual facts dispelling the media-fed confusion about Canada’s subservience to US/Globalist Deep State agendas.
Trudeau is going to lose a large % of swing voters for being Harper-lite when the warmonger tax-bill is made public during the next election. Cost about $500million to help bomb Libya into total chaos… good job. Syria bombing (thanks for getting our jets out of Iraq Justin… as if) will be at least as much, plus we have to replace the CF-18 jets worn out chasing the US/Zionist war agenda (say about $1billion for Super Hornets, $??more billions for F-35s)… and then there’s the other CF-18’s “defending Europe” in Romania or Latvia… more wasted tax$$. But wait! There’s more! There’s the endless cost of those Cold War-surplus British subs that either catch fire or lose engine power and have to be towed to port… so our navy can play war-games with the US.
Part of why the Harper-Cons got soundly turfed was the $18Billion wasted in Afghanistan, only to be revealed Cdn troops were kicking down doors of innocent civilians and handing the men/youths over to be tortured. The Harperites never took responsibility for their actions, tried to blame getting involved on Cretien/Martin. The majority of the Afghan cost/aggression took place under Harper’s reign of terror. Fortunately for the Cdn taxpayer, Cretien kept us mostly out of the Iraq invasion debacle… but Harper still found a way to spend about $500million advising/bombing there.
We Canadians may be polite, but woe betide politicians who get caught making Cdn tourists less welcome around the world. Used to be showing the Pearson Pennant was a ticket to warm hospitality US tourists could only dream of… not so much anymore.
… ” when a direct Nazi descendent is the Foreign Affairs Minister in a majority government…”
We know about Freeland. But generalising about next generations is not correct. Wherever they come from.
No generalizations about it.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/nazi-hands-rock-american-cradles.html
Thanks for the link, George. Excellent piece.
The final thought I’d put forward about Canadians and Russophobia is whether being Russophobic or anti-Russian is being conflated with simply possessing some negative perceptions of Russia? I read a poll last year that indicated a large portion of Canadians posessed negative perceptions of China. (Interestingly enough, in that case, steps were actually going to be taken to counteract those perceptions!!) But how many of those people would qualify as Sinophobic?
Among deplorable Canadian hockey fans, Russia and Russians generally garner respect, admiration and support. Maybe that’s changing now, I don’t know. Are we still committed to keeping politics out of hockey? Should we picket and wear pussy hats when Ovechkin’s in town?
Is plain ignorance behind the negative perceptions as opposed to genuine hatred or.condemnation? How would Canadians’ general knowledge of Russia compare with general knowledge of Korea, Japan, Finland or New Zealand (lots of sheep, right?) Does that make us all phobic about these places?
A major problem of not only Russophobia but many other attitudes and beliefs in Canada is the deep tendency of Canadians to go with the flow. This creates substantial inertia. And Canadians are not revolutionary stock.
R
OK – arguments or alternative, fact-based comments are unwelcome on these articles. Thank you for the education in anti-fascism. Got it.
There are some YouTube clips of Putin’s speech at the 2016 IIHF Ice Hockey Federation Championship. With the Russophobic Canadians and Finns.
Just look up “youtube iihf 2016 putin” (I’m too technophobic, don’t know how to insert YouTube links)
VVP took a tour of the locker rooms afterwards too.
A blessed “resistance to fascism” day to you all!
“during the war, they killed 3 million prisoners of war, 250,000 Jews including the first recorded act of Holocaust at Babi Yar.” The author’s name Eliason has Semitic origin, and his article is slanted toward “The Holocaust”. A more objective author would have put a full stop after the total figure – they killed 3 million prisoners of war. This draws attention away from the real threat to Trump: the Anglo-Capitalist/Zionazi conspiracy that, having consolidated its grip on the Right (e.g. Ukraine’s largely Jewish neo-Nazi govt), has also infiltrated the “socialist left” (e.g Bernie Sanders), the “liberal left” (e.g Bill and Billary Clinton, Blair & Hollande) and the “hard left” (e.g Socialist Worker’s party and allied splinter groups who, in the name of anti-Capitalism, condemn Dr.Assad’s and President Putin’s defense of Syria and Russia against the onslaught by Capitalism’s mass-murdering army, namely NATzO). Eliason is beating the drums against a discredited old enemy – the Nazis – and drawing attention away from the Anglo-Capitalists who financed, armed and politically supported the old German Nazional Socialist party and are now taking over the real socialist parties of FUKUSA – the ones who opposed the Nazis in the thirties, the forties, the fifties, the sixties and the seventies.
Dr.N.G. Maroudas: “Eliason is beating the drums against a discredited old enemy – the Nazis …”
This ‘old enemy’ is not really ‘discredited’, is it? It is back again with a vengeance, using people for its sordid intent! Eliason is raising exactly this point and showing how fearless this enemy is in its intent to get back to power. It is worrying…
I suggest you read up on Mr. Eliason a bit before your not too subtle attempt to demean his work with your nonsense. He ties the past to the present a tad bit better than the run-on ramble you just put us through.
From the perspective of Jews who want to create a Jewish State in Israel necessitated secrecy, Jewish alliance all over the world, excelling in every sector and institutions in their host nations in order to take up leadership and promote a pro Israel policies throughout the world, and finally ally with Anglo Saxons who are the current power/empire.
Follow the money.
Fascism – as Bolshevism, as Capitalism, as Socialism, as Feminism, as Liberalism – is basically a Jewish/Zionist project.
The money printers – obviously – have to cover all bases.
Saker,
I have a question, Israel just bombed Syria. Why is Russia turning blind eye on these attacks? is Israel proving to Russia that its toys won’t work for Israel or is Russia hand and gloves with Israel?
I read in an article Russia telling Israel that Hizbullah and iranian GC must leave syria after the war.
I am left confused as to what is Russia doing in Syria? turning blind eye on israeli attacks and tells Hizbullah and iranian GC to leave.
In my opinion, Russia has already accomplished what had to be accomplished: they won the war in Syria, and the world is already changing. We are in a transition to a post-liberal era – with its ups and downs, but certainly a transition. israhell is not going to win anything with its stupid provocations – they are just showing the world how thick they are.
Someone answered it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAbEsymmhy8
Is there a big difference between extreme left and right? Lots of dead people, no free speech or thought. Why wouldn’t nutcases get along. Islam and Nazi, as history shows goes hand in hand odly left out in this article. Lefties screaming “Alahoe akbar” tells it all. I suppose if those feminist, homosexuals get beheaded in future will be wondering in bepuzzlement “how is this possible”!
So what is this article about then? Not to attack extreme right but the middle of the road people as per usual. It is getting tiresome!
You are brainwashed…take your islamophobia somewhere else. If you know nothing about Islam better to be quiet. You actually compared Islam to Nazism? you are a joke.
The extremes are what they are, extreme. I’m in Donbass, lived through all the Maidan shit, and was under occupation by pravy sektor. If the middle of the road people don’t wake up, all is lost.
Sanity is the only hope and sane people need to be heard and SEEN.
“Among the nasty women at the protest, the Ukrainians provided their own homegrown version to show women how to protest Donald Trump.
She looks like a nasty woman protester doesn’t she? What they didn’t say is what it takes to make them happy again.
As you can see, she has her clothes on. Behind her, almost 400 people were killed or are missing at Odessa in May, 2014. The integral nationalists burned them to death. This is Femen’s vision for your protests.”
The woman in the upper photo is not in the lower photo.
Regarding femen, how they got started and their connection to the nazis in eastern Europe, this article provides a wealth of background to this israeloamerican front group.
Fake “Feminists” of Femen Participated in the Odessa Massacre
by Steven Argue
Monday May 19th, 2014 4:08 PM
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/05/19/18755970.php
“[Photo: Femen leader Ievgeniia Kraizman participating in the May 2nd Odessa massacre. She was part of the group of Maidan fascists who burned alive, shot, strangled, and beat to death 116 anti-fascist protesters on that day. The two accompanying photos shows her in other Feman actions.]”
That is the blonde woman shown in the lower photo in GIE’s article, btw.
Kraizman is a Jewish surname, in case any were wondering.
KRAIZMAN Genealogy
http://www.hebrewsurnames.com/KRAIZMAN
This sort of nazi-Jewish or fascist-Jewish connection is fairly common, especially among zionist Jews.
just to note: Day 34 of the Creeping Coup:
The part of this argument about the ethnic minority voting bloc importance to the political process which I have always questioned is the author’s claim to its being monolithic. It did not sway this election although maybe it did sway things behind the scenes within the Democratic party doing the dirty work for Hilary and drumming up part of those 3,000,000 so called “popular votes. Possible.
It is Ideological and well funded, yes. and with a push to getting certain of its candidates inserted into the American political process at the ground level.
The danger of the motley crew of protestors who gather without a unifying slogan other than ” Love to hate Trump” and who are fueled by victim-hood resentment is that as a group they resemble an apocalyptic cult of not the master-race but of the uber-moralists to whom the power of life and death is granted. No wonder the fascist minded come out to roost–this is a familiar perch emotionally.
The difference from the 1960’s protest is that the student run movement was ideological focused with demands that were comprehensible to the American people and at the same time confrontational to the establishment which was united against the movement until the war started to drag on and become too costly. Times were flush in the then military- industrial-capitalist world and many of those students later were to become part of the next political elite.
Times are different: most of these students/young people protestors now are the equivalent of lumpen proletariat–saddled with huge debts and an uncertain future in a globalist-financial-plutocracy. They are being addressed more by the technocratic priesthood ( MicroSoft, Google etc) who has made a devil’s pact with the higher echelons of the globalists to set up a system of total world domination with the supposed purpose of saving us from ourselves ( global warming caused by human activity) than hidden fascists from Eastern Europe.
You do make an excellent point of the basic anti-humanity of it all, though, which is the unspoken uniting factor–certainly not anything as political as “Stop bombing 7 countries–send the refugees home”
So you do get it. There was one break in the monolith that killed Clinton’s election. I prepped the article before time and even did an interview for it. I just couldn’t publish because they read me. Why give a correct the course article.
The day after the election, I wrote about the faction and why they turned on the Democratic party. So far, I gave the only real reason she lost Michigan and Wisconsin, hence the election.
If you google both states and the election, you’ll find the article.
But, this one is about now. Who is plowing money, journalists, publications, et al into what.
What goes over most peoples heads is that this is a massive information war preceding the actual war
The information war is not happening in Russia, they are industrializing, building up economic potential, and overall enjoying life
The information war rolled into europe and is being fought in every city of Europe
Previously the information war was not in the USA, all news were together, after the election of Trump, the information battles began inside of the USA, the war is in full swing now
The information war has not been able to touch Great Britain so much, they have always insulated themselves from dividing the population
The information war drives the mind into cognitive dissonance, creates psychological traumas, and divides the populations before a real war so that half of the population will at least be divided and not participate in conflict when it comes
Most of Europe has been totally engulfed in this war and it is obvious that France, Germany, italy Spain, and so on can make very little contributions to the war because their populations are under total mind control, the population is demobilized and will not fight, any force be it muslim, russian, polish so on and so forth
Poland, Ukraine, the baltics have been able to keep certain portions of the populations indoctrinated and insulated from alternative media, meaning there are elements capable of fighting but very few
The Ukraine is an example of this, despite the indoctrination the fact that the UAF cannot restore control to DPR and LPR is the biggest success in this experimentation– the caveat being that even a country as indoctrinated as Ukraine cannot mount a successful defense again an internal enemy , what would this mean if the population of Ukraine were exposed to a massive military machine like Russia?
Most of Western Europe is inactive, the psych operations have left the populations unable to combat, there is still the poles and baltics, but if these are the only forces than there is not much to worry about
Then there is the USA, before there was a large worry that it would probably be the energizing force to start a war and mobilize these asleep populations to fight
However now that the information war has moved into the American media space, it becomes clear that if certain words or slogans are thrown out, indeed a sizable portion of the US population would react and become inactive, or unresponsive in a big war, in fact the majority of the US population has become immobilized
The right is captivated by trump and the movement, like in europe, their enemy is an internal one (if the internal enemy did not exist these right wingers would be mobilized against russia–think of who russia fought in ww2 and ww1–) , the left is immobilized by its own media who must use them to defend against the new internal enemies: the right wing– remember the left used to be anti-war, anti imperialist, now they have become the informational tools to these agendas
The result: most of the world has been plunged into severe divisions thanks to geniuses in moscow, these results are more deadly than any missile, any satellite, rocket, submarine, nuke, religion, or anything
the information war with a few useful bloggers, websites, video animations, and so on has virtually incapacitated large populations from putting up any resistance in the event of a war, the countries have been forced to look into a mirror rather than outside
The information war is not over, this will be in the history books, although I am sure the west will not write it— this is history in the making
the information war of the 2000’s: Eroding the West’s fighting capacity
By Vladimir Putin
Where is this from? It sure doesn’t sound like Putin.
The West maybe immobilized when it comes to the population but NATO still creates havoc throughout the world since breaking up Yugoslavia and it is at Russia’s borders. The other dangerous ones who are stateless are the Muslim brotherhood who became AlQaeda->ISIS->Daesh? They pretend to be civilians among population when they are called become murderers wearing their black mask as cowards they are
“The information war is not happening in Russia, they are industrializing, building up economic potential, and overall enjoying life”
From which we are supposed to swallow this conclusion:
“The result: most of the world has been plunged into severe divisions thanks to geniuses in moscow, these results are more deadly than any missile, any satellite, rocket, submarine, nuke, religion, or anything”
On second thought, I agree I would find it quite tempting to intimidate Western filth by giving the lie to time-honoured Western supremacist fantasies. Maybe this is what is being hinted at in the passage “in the event of a war, the (Western) countries have been forced to look into a mirror rather than outside”. Putin, please do keep holding that mirror.
For those of you who are interested, Andrew Kobyko has written extensively on hybrid wars – the use of the press and NGOs to massage public opinion for colour revolutions and soft coups using locally disaffected groups to provide cover for the US’s strategic ambitions.
“.. one of the most significant strategic developments that the US has ever spearheaded, and the transitioning of Colour Revolutions to Unconventional Wars is expected to dominate the destabilizing trends of the coming decades.”
http://orientalreview.org/2016/03/04/hybrid-wars-1-the-law-of-hybrid-warfare/
OK here’s what’s happening with this article: The Liberal-Marxist “New World Order” is using “Nazis” to advance their agenda in Ukraine but the author has it all totally backward: he thinks the “Nationalist-Nazi” “New World Order” is using Progressive/Liberal Marxists to advance their agenda in the US. The People controlling “Atlanticism” are *LIBERAL-MARXIST*, not Nationalist-Populist-Socialist-“Nazi”
Pareto,
Agree. The only thing is that there seems to be I scratch your back you scratch mine between the Nazis and Marxists. But will they attack each other in the end once they got rid of their common enemies? On the other hand, there seem always be Marxists, Nazis in the DNA or harbored by the West to create their NWO.
What makes me wonder is that has anyone noticed the word “Nazi” and “Ashke-nazi”?
the above article is all over the place, with lots of fog, nebulae and ‘dust in the eyes’ from the empty talk that’s trying to pull wool on our face, the supposed dumbos.
here, at saker’s place one might find a dumbo once in a while but the majority of people here seem very smart even though some use their smarts for evil doing. So trying to confuse and place responsibility of today’s evil on some old farty ideologies, long ago dead wackos, over used empty words will not take here.
sample of one commenter above about today’s battles by info-wars:
” the result: most of the world has been plunged into severe divisions thanks to geniuses in moscow, these results are more deadly than any missile, any satellite, rocket, submarine, nuke, religion, or anything …. the information war with a few useful bloggers, websites, video animations, and so on has virtually incapacitated large populations from putting up any resistance in the event of a war, the countries have been forced to look into a mirror rather than outside …”
so again and again: “moscow did it”, russian hacked/influenced, they did it; eventuality of a war?
what the hell did they do? they want to have their country, their place, their family, their education, their family, their smile ….
and now that DT wants similar aims for us we have to beat the heck out of him and find a better manager for the country in an ahole that never worked a day in his life, one that bent over and turned into a sellout for a nothing of a house by a lake?
give us a freakin brake with your over used arguments, we’ll not sell out and we are not dead; we want to be free and to let other be free, too.
why don’t you talk about who really is behind all this nightmare, not only about the marionettes?
George Eliason
It seems your article has attracted the very culprits you expose. They are an active, trolling and tracking force on any forum that exposes in its articles or comments threads their operations as the true Deep State propaganda army and counter-strike force.
I enjoy all your articles and collect them. You expose very important facts, not just an opinion or analysis.
Please continue to bring these subjects to sunshine.
The swarm of trolls shall not silence you or limit your work.
Work brother!
This is what Saker keeps the Vineyard for.
I enjoyed the article as well and learned new things, which is why I love this place. I see an increase in ad hominem attacks all over the ‘net (FB is rife with this — just deleted my account…I know, I’m a late bloomer, etc.) the mention of anything, _anything_ remotely pro-Russian is enough to get the Hitler meme pointed your way, really disgusting to watch and this is among people I once considered “peers”, if not “friends”, at least! Whatever happened to normal “manners”?
Watching the video above, I feel a sense of perfect madness. Do these young show hosts have any idea what this guy is protesting for, what issues they are discussing, what they agree or disagree about? I think they take the protest and themselves way too seriously; but I’m probably being foolish… people really believe their own hype these days to a dangerous degree.
Perfect madness: one thing that I never suspected was that trolling the net was not just some oddball thing (“flame wars”, we used to call them, and once you’ve had one you’ve had them all) but would one day turn into common practice among people one may have known for minutes, microseconds, or decades. It’s the new Normal, and where we’re at now. This site is invaluable for the wide range of opinions and attitudes and is on an ever-shrinking list of places where anything approaching human kindness is on display in the digital realm. Thanks again for the article, also for Canadian info from posters above.
“American fascists” didn’t co-opt anything: There are no genuine protests. The anti-Trump demonstratikbs ARE pure astro-turf rent-a-mob phoney-baloney.
You are correct in noticing that the New Left ARE very much like fascists. They even wear black shirts (and masks) when they go around beating up their political opponents, using violence to try and stifle dissent.
But it’s all bought and paid for. Without the cadre of professional agitators and the willing accomplices in the corporatist globalist media there would be no protests at all.
It’s just like Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter. It isn’t real. It’s just street theater.
There were American concentration camps for freed slaves:
https://blackmainstreet.net/never-forget-devils-punchbowl-20000-freed-slaves-died-forced-post-slavery-concentration-camp/
Ukraine as it is today is fully an artificial country.
Galicia was belonging to Austria until 1919 then Polish until 1939. Bandera was first fighting the Poles then when the Soviet Union invaded Galicia, his movement joined forces with the Germans ones. For him, the Poles and the Soviet-Union were both ennemies of a free Galicia.
Galicia had a large Jewish population which did not oppose the Soviet Union invasion and as such were considered as traitors by the Bandera people.
The case of Galicia is a special case, they were nazis to fight the Jews, the Poles and the Soviet Union. They wanted to create a new Ukraine and the failed. Today, they are trying again and they seem to have quite some influence of Kiew.
The remaining of Ukraine ( Little Russia) is another story. Stalin and Khrushchev killed millions of Ukrainian in 1936, so it is easy to understand some Ukrainian’s resentment towards Russia.
The South NovoRussia, has always belonged to Russia. Odessa was created by Potemkine and developped by Richelieu and the eastern part the Donbass has always been Russian.
Ukraine has to be split: the east and the South bording the Black sea have to be returned to Russia
The western part including Galicia and the Uniates should also be allowed to have a country but the Poles and the Russian should not expected a lot of sympathy from it.
1. If we agree that artificial means human-made then every country is artificial.
Unless you think that some countries are not created by humans but by God, but that line of thought is quite obsolete nowadays. Especially in Europe.
2. The estimated number of victims of Stalin purges and political repressions between WWI and WWII are about 750k. OTOH, the estimated number of victims from Hitler aggression between 1941 and 1945 is 22 million. From this number one would expect from Ukrainians to hate Germans 20x more than Georgians. But as we all know, feelings do not follow the reason at all.
You do not have more deaf than someone that do not want to hear.
divide Germany already, so we can all continue with our lives…it all started with Unification of Germany…!
The ongoing colour revolution against Trump bears a striking similarity to the coup against Victor Yanukovich in UKraine. Big Vic, beat Ms Braids Tymoshenko, in the 2010 Presidential election by 49% of votes cast to her 46%. There was no question of the legality of the election. Presidential terms of office run – or should we now say ran – for 5 years. This meant that Victor’s term of office was due to expire in 2015. Needless to say like nearly all Ukrainian politicians are corrupt to some degree or other. From the outset this included Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yuschenko, Tymoshenko and Yanukovich. As a result of Big Vic’s refusal to sign the EU association agreement the whole Maidan movement kicked off. Initially, it was a bit like the arab spring, tens if not hundreds of thousands of demonstrators and idealists thronged the streets of Kiev believing that a bright future awaited them in the EU. Then things started getting ugly. Neo-nazi paramilitaries, including Pravy Sektor, Svoboda, Patriots of the Ukraine took over and spearheaded the coup which deposed Yanukovich. Why a coup was necessary when Yanukovich was up for re-election in 2015 isn’t explained. However behind the demonstrators were some very dubious clandestine actors controlling events. The National Endowment for Democracy an organization funded by the US Congress had for some times past been preparing the situation for a coup and openly admitted it. Similarly senior US diplomats, Victoria Nuland and American Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt moved among the demonstrators offering solace and support for their cause. A flagrant interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. Soros was also known to be involved in the coup with his lavish financing of causes he held dear.
Thus the thousands of idealists who were soon to disappear were manipulated into 1. Believing that the shangri la of the EU was being denied to them, and 2. That it was okay to overthrow someone who had been democratically elected by a majority of the population.
This has eerie parallels with the attempt by the US Deep State, media and security agencies to overthrow Trump, the democratically elected President of the United States. The same self-righteous howls come up from the war-loving progressive left who are being cleverly manipulated by the same type of sinister forces that overthrow Yanukovich. Demonstrating against Trump’s policies is one thing, engaging in an unconstitutional coup is quite another.
Be careful what you wish for.
Brilliant article! Thank you.
I love this: ” The Globe and Mail reports, “While opinions are divided, many see the 1,500-man Azov unit as being populated not with neo-Nazis and white supremacists, but with patriots willing to fight in order to rollback Russian-backed separatists.”
Of course, they do not say who, or how ‘many’.
“Many” is a funny word, isn’t it Franz. As you point out, no numbers are mentioned, no one is named, and the word is just inserted into a sentence. “Many see…” Or as they say on the MSM, “people say that…” Disinfo clues. I had _no idea_ Canada was this bad. It’s sad when dreams die, but the truth has to set you free sooner or later. The Canadian stuff pointed out in the article is the tip of an iceberg and I believe fewer than a fraction of a percent of any US resident has a clue.
“Many see” is a phrase that is often used as agitprop by left and right. Another great word is “we.” Words like “we” are often used in politics not to unite, but divide.
One need only look at what small M.E. country guides the foreign content of the Globe.
As for that 2015 article, the interviewee, Jason Kenney, is currently trying to merge the Conservative and the further right Wildrose parties into one party, the better to defeat the opposition.
More division though:
Alberta’s PC candidates reject Jason Kenney’s plan to merge with Wildrose
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/albertas-pc-candidates-reject-jason-kenneys-plan-to-merge-with-wildrose/article33630372/
2015 article:
Kenney says nationalist Azov group shouldn’t tarnish Ukraine’s image
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/kenney-says-nationalist-azov-group-shouldnt-tarnish-ukraines-image/article25157369/
Don’t underestimate Kenney; he is judged highly competent with many of the Canadian government portfolios and is, in my opinion, a treacherous eloquent scumbag.
Wow! I agree with Cesar Vargas wholeheartedly too. A great grandfather came to America as a sheep stealer of 18 years old from Scotland where the poor were being starved dead. He was lucky to have been saved by sending him to America instead of killing him. His great grandsons was chosen by President Roosevelt to head the First National Bank of Detroit to stop the Great Depression in Michican. His name Mc Lucas. He saved Michigan while Henry Ford started the WW1! S, the Ford Family erased Walter Scott McLucas from US history. The Ford family are still cheap shits.
Henry Ford didn’t start WWI. On the contrary. It seems to me that Henry Ford and e.g. Charles Lindbergh were actually American patriots, who were fooled by the monstrous fraud which was the Hitler Project. They were hardly the only ones fooled by it (even now many ignorant fools still are). When these hard-working Americans began to find out what really was going on, they were forced to cooperate, their companies were hijacked (by the Roth-child mob), taken over, and so forth. The later Fords seems to have become defectors, and the ‘Ford Foundation’ has very little to do with the Fords, anyway.
I think you’re on to something, and am reminded of my Great Grandfather who enlisted as a field medic in WW1 because he was considered an evil Hun due to Pennsylvania Mennonite heritage. I am transcribing his memoir and he does not mince words on the awfulness of that war. By the time of WW2, I think a lot of German-Americans were sick and tired of being demonized and, as you put so well, bought into the Monstrous Fraud of the Hitler Project. My Pennsylvania German ancestors were true old-school America-firster conservatives, Republicans of a breed unknown today. ZNot perfect (who is), but I remember my Grandfather had many democratic friends he loved to argue politics with. A vanished world!I just remembered talking with my Grandfather about H. Ford and Lindburgh in the mid seventies when I was a wee lad, thanks very much for your post and inspiring the memory. Lindburgh was a hero to many in those days, and it is my dim memory that people like my Grandfather felt he was set up and/or framed. Warm regards and thanks for the post.
What attracts me to this website/blog is the motto at the top: “Stop the Empire’s War on Russia.” Several years ago I read a book that had the pretentious title, “The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives”, which, of course, was written by the arch-warmonger, Russophobe, and neo-con propagandist, Zbigniew Brzezinski or (for the purposes of this commentary) just plain old Biggy.
Well the good news is that I recently found the antidote to Biggy’s poisonous agitprop chessboard piece: the title of this anodyne of a book is: “Ukraine: Zbig’s Grand Chessboard & How the West Was Checkmated”, by Natylie Baldwin & Kermit Heartsong. I heartily recommend this book to all; it is excellent.
A Canadian film about the Holodomor, called “Bitter Harvest”, which was filmed on location in the Ukraine between November 15, 2013- and February 05, 2014, was just released last week (02/24/17) in the U.S. The day before it was released, George Weigel, who is a bona fide Maidanophile, had already published his latest anti-Russian piece in the sleazy on-line journal of the National Review, which was founded by the CIA-Skull & Bonesman William Buckley an inveterate pompous ass from whom George Will learned how to act like a stuffy and pontificating ass. Weigel’s piece appears under the banner: “Bitter Harvest and Bitter Present in Ukraine” and it is entitled, “The Lessons of the Ukrainian Terror Famine, in the Age of Putin.” This propaganda article is a thinly veiled attempt to link the horrendous tragedy of the Holodomor to the current tragic situation in the Ukraine. Naturally, today’s troubles in the Ukraine are all the fault of Putin and those aggressive and bellicose Russians who want to swallow up as much territory as they possibly can. Only NATO and the U.S. can save them!
Of course, propaganda is why this film was produced in the first place;it was made in order to compare a Christian Putin and a Christian Russia to an atheistic Stalin and a communist Soviet Union. Stalin and his bloody executioner, Lazar Kaganovich, were responsible for the murder of millions of Ukrainians and Russians; they were inhuman genocidal maniacs. There is no way to legitimately compare the Holodomor to what is currently occurring in the Ukraine. Virtually all of the aggression in the Ukraine is being prompted by the U.S. and its NATO war machine. But that is why they call propaganda, propaganda, because it ain’t necessarily true.
Dear Sir: After a depressing day on FB and the ‘Hedge, your last few paragraphs made me laugh out loud. How ludicrous the propaganda operations are these days. Thank you. The stats for this site and the great new people who show up here on a weekly basis are one of the few things that bring me hope. Welcome (if you are in fact new)!
Ash Carter is doing great job of assassinating Ruskis’ diplomats. Who next ! As one moron wrote how restrained Ruskis are as if it would be a Gringo diplomat death in Moscow, there’d be a war already.
Probably so. Gringos Asesinos don’t let such things happen without punishment. Everybody knows it.
In the 1940 U.S. presidential campaign Republican candidate Wendell Wilkie famously said: “A man who is not a Communist at the age of 20 has no heart and a if he is still a Communist at the age of 40 he has no head”.
Mutatis, mutandis:
Roy Bland, John Le Carre – “As a good socialist, I’m investing in the markets, As a good capitalist, I’m banking on the revolution”.
Putin will just wait until the Ukronazis destroy themselves.