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And you can compare Martyanov’s with my parsing of Lavrov, Lavrov Tells Us Part of the Reply. Additional analysis was provided at MoA, this bit in particular:
Lavrov’s pointing to what was answered and what wasn’t was indeed masterful since he again highlighted what the top line issue is–the willful breaking of treaties and dishonorable behavior by the West generally and the Outlaw US Empire in particular. First you promised verbally, then you signed several treaties reiterating the essence of those promises, then you broke them, then you lied about breaking them, then you try to justify your lies with more lies. And those are the reasons why you won’t see Lavrov’s words published by Western Media as well as why the responses were asked to be kept private. It’s not at all about keeping negotiations private because they’re supposedly easier that way. No, it’s because the amazing duplicity carried out over the last 30 years is finally being revealed, and it tars the West in a way that no other nation or group of nations ought to believe anything from those nations. The entire Non-Aligned Movement is surely taking and exchanging notes, while the former Warsaw Pact and non-NATO EU members better pay attention as well.
One thing’s certain: More Jaw-Jaw will occur before Russia engages in War unless the Outlaw West forces the issue first.
No Secret Treaties
I agree but the reality is nobody is listening in the West, they have their own set agenda and of course non of this will make it onto main stream western media platforms. I watched this response and of course it is excellent, complete and masterful but I havent seen any western news outlet qoute or use a Lavrov presser once since this whole thing started. The Anglosphere is now a closed loop and even those wanting to find out what is going on can never do so using MSM
I think this article by Alaister Crooke gets to the nub of what the americans want and are driving for … total subjegation not only of the East but the West, they expect the UK and Europe to destroy themselves so that the US can reign. Totally psychotic.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/01/27/americas-armed-sentinel-state-encirclement/
In reality the UK has already done what the US desires and are now a quasi 3rd world banana republic with a 23% poverty rate (10% higher than Russia) but are the Europeans so hideously corrupt that they will sanction the deaths of 10s of thousands of people next winter by cutting themselves off from Russian energy, whilst destroying their industries?
The US are using this whole affair as a way to destroy Europe as a competitor and keep it hooked into slavery via US gas exports, what a joke. It is far far better to be an enemy of the US than to be its allies.
Russia is being played in the western media.
Yesterday CNN claimed that Biden had warned Zelensky in a phone call that Russia was planning to invade Ukraine within hours.
The White house promptly denied the report after it was broadcasted by CNN, saying that such warning was not discussed at all.
Earlier today Zelensky found it necessary to rebuff the western Media rumor, saying that there were no sign of any Russian invasion, and that the Ukraine military had not heighten its alert status.
Never the less.
Tonight Danish TV2 is repeating the falls claim by CNN.
Secondly the Danish TV2 are claiming that President Macron has been talking with President Putin, and that Macron has told Putin not to invade Ukraine.
Then TV2 are presenting part of Foreign Minister Lavrov´s speech from 2 days ago, stating that Russia do not plan to invade Ukraine. The news coverage ends by saying that Russia has asked for further talks with President Macron.
The news coverage gives the Public the Impression that Biden has warned Zelesky – Then President Macron has schooled President Putin, – then Foreign Minister Lavrov have accepted to stand down from invading Ukraine – and now Russia is begging for more talks with the EU.
Biden and Macron are plying Bad Coop – Good Coop against Russia, and any agreement reached between Putin and Macron (EU) is presented in western Media as a concession to the US-NATO.
By now everybody in the west know that the US-NATO has military personnel in Ukraine.
Fuck talks with President Macron (EU).
Give Ukraine 24 hours to expel all foreign military personnel from Ukraine and to implement the Minsk peace accord. If they don’t, Annex Donetsk and Luhansk.
When the first shot against Russia or Eastern Ukraine occurs: shut of all gas to Europe.
Talk with Psychopaths is futile.
Dear A. Dane,
“F**k talks with President Macron (EU)… Talk with Psychopaths is futile”
You are usually more considered. Don’t despair!
You know that Russia and all western targets have been played and slandered in the West since TV was invented. And in print since the Gutenberg press was invented. All this is not new.
However, there is a fresh breeze blowing through International Relations now.. Its cleansing effects can be sensed by the increased hysteria and hate in the MSM.. A new correlation of forces.
Nevertheless, even when dealing with openly lying serpents, you keep open avenues of communication.
And current elites enjoy a thinner legitimacy and mandate than ever – they clearly do not speak for their brainwashed and suppressed people. Why punish hundreds of millions, when one can focus on sources of enmity and friction?
Some benefits of continued talk:
– an avenue for negotiations (jaw-jaw better than war-war), like talking slowly and gentling down a high crack-cocaine addict with a knife while you point a gun at his knee
– an avenue to threaten directly, to dissuade from suicide
– to gauge how to dial up the pain level, for punishment
– to know internal divisions (between elites, or politicians/industrialists…) in enemy countries, to keep them busy at each other and to support the saner entities
– it buys more time while you make more Zircons and Kalibers and Bulavas
– to make clear for posterity, war crime tribunals and history books, you exhausted all means until they fired the first shot
I have left out a lot of other reasons.
Also a new regime may take over at any time due to the current unsustainable pressures, so why not maintain basic relations?
So in all-in-all the benefit outweighs the harm, even during open hostilities. Politicians and diplomats often win “battles” averting war, which we hear about sometimes decades later. Remember how Trump was so bitter about the Iranian diplomats, which he said, “always won negotiations.” Russians are no less adept. They must be given this platform, even if apparently futile. You never know when or why an irrational enemy cracks or leaves the battlefield – as seen recently with Croatia, Bulgaria, and other NATO.
I consider these diplomatic and political corps to be as important as divisions and their military equipment.
@A.H.H
Your Right.
I lost my temper.
I get angry too
so we all need to vent.
I respect your views and often learn from you.
the current crop of western politicians, “diplomats”, and media are a special sauce marinated in Hell.
At least up to the 1980s they were somewhat educated, coherent and had a semblance of self-respect.
Did you see the recent BBC interview with Prof Marandi?
Imagine having to deal with such people on a daily basis?!
It is 100x worse than watching them on TV or internet.
Zone B diplomats have balls of titanium!
I would have had a stroke or gone berserk on my first interaction..
These diplomats are the true heroes IMO, the dirty work they do for all of us
Regards
Ok, looks like it is starting now…. It is Syria. USA will be millitary confronted there…
If the Syrian resource theft is eliminated then the US and ZATO forces are done in the region.
The Gulf States are reopening their Embassies in Damascus despite threats from the US.
Kick those cockroaches & jihadi militias out and give Syria back to the Syrians.
Closing the file on the YINON Plan.
One can hope that peace will suddenly break out in Libya and Gaddaffi’s son return to bring thengs back into some sort of order … and more that likely China will return to business as usual. If this occurs then Nato will have lost a whole lot of rotten teeth in North Africa. And the beginning of the end of Nato will have begun.
Return of Gaddaffi son will bring prosperity to Lybia…his father done soo much for average people… much more than any politician in the Africa….
agree, like a magic wand caused the switch – a “vis a tergo” in the US media – the PBS Evening News on Jan 27th, with Judy Woodruff – had the bloody war in Syria (Idlib) shown, supported by Russia (!), with White Helmets !!! Amazing how fast the propaganda apparatus works,
“Ok, looks like it is starting now…. It is Syria”
Makes sense.
“Attack enemy where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .”
Smart Russian move about Syria.
There is legal justification here for a Casus Belli at the expense of the US.
It seems Russia is being in a process to make pay the US for any illegal move, broken treaty and oathbreaking.
Russia has been setting up position for a while now. It first established a fully defended airbase at Qamishli (Su34 – Su35 – air cover and ground attack/bombing for east Syria?), and now has Migs at T-4 (close to al Tanf, aircover for Syrian ground attack planes?)
Russia has also been publicly releasing videos like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OipOA18UjDA
massive tanker convoys with US support vehicles (manned by Kurds or US SF?)
I see a repeat of Iraq’s ‘Highway of Death’ sometime soon. I feel sorry for the drivers who will be caught up in it.
https://i.redd.it/f7i60r76ls841.jpg
Those theft convoys should be hit every day,i know some have in the past but why are they not all annihilated?
I hope so, they could start by giving those American bases notice to move out or be bombed out.
Destoy Idlib, raise it to the ground, this will annoy the US/UK endlessly. All of the Wests middle east jihadis are holed up there (the ones they didnt export to Karabakh, Kazakh) the West paid a hell of lot to train and equip these anarchistic butchers.
Any source on the news?
When did it start? Where?
The USA “leaders”/ owners have ZERO self awareness; they live in complete ignorance. But more than that, each one of them has a compulsion to engage in unhealthy behaviors. So even if they saw that what they are doing regarding Russia is self destructive, they couldn’t stop themselves.
For week the war is delayed…..more panstir missiles for Russia…..more Iskander Missiles for Russia….delay the war for one more year….repeat previous loop…
How Joe Bidet operates with less healthy braincells than John McShitstain had in the last week of his life is truly remarkable.
This is a poem written over 50 years ago, which describes well the elites of the West.
Consider These For We Have Condemned Them
By Cecil Day Lewis
Consider these, for we have condemned them;
Leaders to no sure land, guides their bearings lost
Or in league with robbers have reversed the signposts,
Disrespectful to ancestors, irresponsible to heirs,
Born barren , a freak growth, root in rubble,
Fruitlessly blossoming, whose foliage suffocates,
Their sap is sluggish, they reject the sun.
The man with his tongue in his cheek, the woman
With her heart in the wrong place, unhandsome, unwholesome;
Have exposed the new-born to worse than weather,
Exiled the honest and sacked the seer.
These drowned the farms to form a pleasure-lake,
In time of drought they drain the reservoir
Through private pipes for baths and sprinklers.
Getters not begetters; gainers not beginners;
Whiners, no winners; no triers, betrayers;
Who steer by no star, whose moon means nothing.
Daily denying, unable to dig:
At bay in villas from blood relations,
Counters of spoons and content with cushions
They pray for peace, they hand down disaster.
They that take the bribe shall perish by the bribe,
Dying of dry rot, ending in asylums,
A curse to children, a charge on the state.
But still their fears and frenzies infect us;
Drug nor isolation will cure this cancer;
It is now or never, the hour of the knife,
The break with the past, the major operation.
Cecil Day Lewis [1904-1972] was born in Ballintogher, Ireland, and was educated at the University of Oxford. In Oxford he became part of a circle of politically radical poets – W.H. Auden, Stephen Spender and Louis MacNeice that was dubbed “Macspaunday” by detractors on the political right. He worked on modernizing and redefining British poetry. Over time he mellowed, distanced himself from Auden, and became more lyrical. He also wrote detective novels under the pseudonym of Nicholas Blake. he was appointed Poet Laureate in 1968.
Saker, you haven’t published Cat Motya’s analysis in awhile. I do not know if Mr. Martyanov knows about such analyst as Cat Motya )) (очень умный рыжий кот). I give here the link to those who can read in cat’s language. For those who can’t I can give it a try to give a short translation of his reaction to the reply of the USA to Russian ultimatum which is funny and fascinating as always:
“..NATO’s rhetoric is like we are the strongest and smartest, screams about setting up new sanctions and other bullshit but as soon as Putin told to give a written answer by set cut off time they got excited and brought their answer when and where they were told to do so. What this tells us? This tells us that the real state of affairs doesn’t correspond to rhetoric of westerns. Because in case real state of affairs corresponds to their rhetoric they would answer to Putin’s request like “What?! No negotiations until you “appoint Clown to the position of the Honorable Clown of Moscow and Moscow neighborhood”. And secondly, they would publish their reply to Putin’s ultimatum themselves publicly because that would benefit them – again in case real state of affairs corresponds to what they are telling everyone. Plus we wouldn’t mind public reply, ha-ha! Plus I think that negotiations will be hidden. I think that yesterday we were given TWO documents. One is formal reply but the second one contains secret suggestions about how it is possible to reach some necessary results but at the same time not to lose face of the USA. Depending on how useful these secret suggestions are for us we will see how Putin will react. For example, formally they suggest say let’s not give up on Clown but somehow certain steps will be undertaken that will result in him failing on his own, same would happen “naturally” to some of NATO bases in Eastern Europe. At the same time, depending on what will be happening next we will figure out if our leaders are satisfied with the way of thinking of Americans, so we will look at actions, not words…
For example, clowns announced that there will be no invasion, “people, calm down” and then they withdrew the bill about “occupied territories” this is our demand, clowns withdrew and said that they decided that on their own, but whatever is said is just water, the main thing is to look at actions. Kozak said that during Normandy format meetings the discrepancies in understanding of Minsk agreement were discussed, so we’ll see what will happen after that…
Yesterday there was interesting moment – Putin took off his watch during web conference. This was a hint, I am sure. And WITHIN AN HOUR US ambassador arrived to Ministry of Foreigн Affairs with papers. The hint was approximately “your time is over” (photo of Putin and his watch on the table)..”
https://catmotya.blogspot.com/
Thank you for that translation and especially the image of V. Putin at his desk with the wristwatch on the desk top. A close up is work a study. His face is sad and one can feel the impending gravitas of the situation as he looks at a screen image.
But perhaps more relevant than the impending destruction is the image on the flag behind his head — St George and the Dragon. “Your time is over/up” and a US ambassador scuttles in the door with a “more talk” reply. Talk is done I suspect.
The men in the room have decided to act and reset the ‘great reset’ according to Moscow time. Each Nato poodle has been asked to confirm/explain their position within a historic treaty context. Mr Xi’s February 1 arrives soon and it is the Chinese New Year of the Tiger. A water tiger no less — “From Russia with Love (&tears), Mr Bond!”
https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/chinese-zodiac/tiger.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5urQeCqjO6U
You are very welcome! Sorry for possible grammar mistakes. It is very hard to translate from Russian but from cat’s language -especially. Thank you for information about 2022. I love Chinese calendar interpretations. According to cat Motya, 2022 is the year of cat named Martyn. He will be in charge. And cat Martyn will have no mercy for mice (we know about whom he is talking about) and that 2022 will be the most terrible and hard year for someone, ha-ha!
No problem, friend. As you can see in my own post, typo’s are a natural risk in a rushed modern world — but the meaning still manages to come through. :-)
If you like abductive inferencing with images/myths/metaphors, then you may also be aware that many images lately in the public discourse over numerous discourse domains often have the open mouth “roar” look about them — e.g., competitive sport, outrage publics, authoritarian politicians etc.
I just so happen to reading in the background about the Kurdish identity written (& translated) by an Iranian who had to leave the country quickly after being denounced at a Mosque.
https://www.amazon.com/Iranian-Political-Ration-Kurdish-Identity/dp/B08QW5RCQV
His thesis on the colonisation of the (pre-literature) Kurdish tribes by the Iranians is interesting in many ways. But the relevant key is the link (it seems) to the original Mithra image/model — far before a variant of it became popular in Roman times (especially the army). As someone mentioned in the literature, if the Christian religion had not taken over Rome then this may well have become a dominant religious/cultural worldview in the region.
The image/icon of Mithra that helps link and set some of these “Lion/Tiger/Cat” roar trends in place can be considered (perhaps meaningfully?) from this perspective — especially in respect to ancient Mithraic Temples of a naked lion-headed human figure (or ‘Leontocephaline’).
For example: “The Mithraic Lion-Headed Figure”
http://www.mysterium.com/eighthgate.html
https://www.pinterest.de/janfufu/art-on-zoroastermithras/
My more personal research interest is on the deep fractures in all this — e.g., the Yezidi Kurds who claim (as far as I know, but I’m no expert) decent from Adam but not Eve. Perhaps see the Lilith myth. This “two wife” problem seems to bubble through many religions and myths — one can even find it in the creation myths of Sri Lanka and the queen ‘witch’ (read indigenous) character Kuveni. And that small island (once called Serendib for serendipity) is in a right mess after a 25-year civil war that only ended with Chinese backing of one side.
Fascinating histories lost (mostly) in time — but with underlying archetypal patterns that still influence human behaviour.
Peace, but this year looks like another “roaring twenties” coming up… :-/
(addendum)
Ok, now I get it.
Perhaps I should have spent 5 minutes researching your Cat references before I pressed the send button.
I see 2017 was not too bad with the tea-leaves.
/cat-motyas-horoscope-for-2017-translated-and-interpreted-by-scott/
But did these cats account for new M3T2 (“Modern ‘Magical’ Monetary ‘Tree’ Theory”)?
Two myth/metaphor points of interest emerge from the 2017 prognostications (images and singing videos):
1. The Hindu deity Ganesh, a virgin birth victim of patriarchal rage and reconstructed born-again hybrid figure with a (Nature’s) elephant head that tames and rides a giant mouse/rat suggests perhaps the need for a higher level of requisite variety/complexity is needed in complex situations — and perhaps (?) achieved with/through the hybrid Russian Euro-Asian make-up — if it is held together by a firm Cat pawn at the top.
2. “No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat” (Deng Xiaoping).
I’m no rat-expert, but after many years of ‘public service’ during changing times, I never under estimate the mischief of “rat cunning” — which should not be confused with natural human intelligence. I’m not sure where the king-rat lives these days, but the sewers of Londinium have a long history — and many cocaine-laced post-colonial whiskers twitching enviously at all that Russian cheese they cannot get their grubby little colonial paws on.
Its good to see someone referring to Cat Motya again, at the Saker site, after all these years – Scott Humor (sorely missed here) – used to translate and refer to Cat quite often. Brings back memories.
Thanks.
Thank you! I follow cat Motya very closely for many years. I even paid attention that I now prefer to read about politics in only cat’s language LOL. Cat Motya now is more about teaching people about Christianity, how and where to find God, how to free your psychic from bad staff and use that knowledge to make your life prosper and according to your likings; what is movie Matrix is about and some other pretty interesting staff. He doesn’t forget to comment on global politics and Putin and Russia (and about availability of enough toxic powder for the destruction of mice LOL), and if there is any interesting comment I will try to translate if I can.
No disagreement with Martyanov, but I note that he does not seem to see the objective nature of Zone A, and, instead, subscribes to Hope and Myth…now then, there are two “Americas” – and one of these is good…and that seems to have seduced his emotion. Well, me too, sometimes.
The man and his motivations are a distracting cypher for me. His expertise is great.
I spoke of the necessity of Zone A to metamorphose into the contract-capable form, which would be the good form, and require a revolution of some sort, and may necessitate dissolution of the federal model.
Martyanov is a good fella and I like him.
I recommend that in addition to Martyanov, people take also “FDR, Stalin and the Untold History of the New Deal” (Matthew Ehret ) as this discussion, partly in Russian, describes the schism of the two Americas, more or less.
Mr. P,
Thank you for the tip: Matthew Ehret is pure brilliance in this interview.
https://www.verityweekly.com/fdr-stalin-and-the-untold-history-of-the-new-deal/
There is an understated coolness about Mr. Martyanov. I really like how he presents topics in a very logical manner with no over the top histrionics. He is the prototypical Russian. I tip my hat to him.
Don’t quote me on this Bill, but I’ve heard that US Intelligence (If ever there was an oxymoron ) receive most of their Intelligence from Andrei Martyanov’s 25 minute short videos and Vineyard of The Saker. That’s over a million strong army of wasters, degenerates, many operating out of safe houses in many a neighbourhood, spying on Americans.
What can you expect from the MIC who have spent over $20 Billion and still counting on strike carrier USS Gerald R Ford and yet 12 years on it remains a Floating Barge? In any worthwhile (non deadbeat ) country this kind of extravagance, incompetence, would see a Public backlash. This $20 billion is approximately 1/3rd of Russia’s total Defence Budget, and yet, Russia could fire 1 missile and sink it.
No matter, the Critters in Congress will sign off on the next lump of crap as long as the beneficiaries pad their future campaigns/nest eggs.
@ WTFUD on January 27, 2022
LOL…between you and Mr. Martyanov, you are killing me, man. I just finished his video, went straight to your post, cannot stop laughing. Andrei M. says, “the US needs to fix its intelligence” and of course he is talking about HUMINT, SIGINT, and all other kind of intel acquisition and processing. That is an impossibility, how can these people change their intel, if the CIA/MI6/Mossad mirror the Taliban, only difference is they use suits and ties.
Neocons are fanatically dogmatic and close minded, their intel is not feedback, it ideological projection pure and simple, like the Ministry of Vice and Virtue, projecting their archaic revivalist mindset onto Afghan society.
Lone Wolf
404 delenda est!
@ Lone Wolf
Thanks
Yesterday afternoon i penned a letter and delivered it to my MP’s surgery personally. I tried to be professional copying the format Putin sent to the Eurohood Members and NATO.
Due to the recent attack on politicians and my foot-length beard, 2 burly sorts turned me upside down before allowing me entry.
The full contents of the letter should be kept secret he informed me until Boris Johnson’s 3 day post-Covid Party binge is over.
Anyhow some of it was leaked to the press before I returned home. I had questioned, why after working 2 part-time jobs flitting between McDonalds & Burger King, I was paying more taxes than Jeff Bezos here in the UK.
Unlike the wishy washy response Lavrov received from Blinken , my serving member was most candid, just 5 words, in capital letters – WELCOME TO THE PLANTATION MOTHERF*CKER.
I would not want to be the guy to have to tell Putin that the ship doesn’t float lol!
What seems the most likely outcome at this point is that this whole event will drive a wedge between the US and Europe rather than between Europe and Russia. It seems many European countries, even Ukraine, are trying to find alternative solutions to this issue other than war while the United States at least publicly continues to beat it’s chest and ask for a fight.
Nobody likes the guy still shouting and thrashing around while everyone else is trying to be reasonable and diplomatic.
Runup to War in Ukraine – Who Is The Real Aggressor..
Vladimir Kozin is not wearing rose colored glasses in this remarkably candid interview. 129,000 Ukrainian troops along Russia’s borders joined by mercenaries and Neo-Nazi battalions. All over Russian TV as it is in USA. America continues it’s belligerent threats, continues to send millions of dollars of lethal equipment to Kiev, and threatens more sanctions.
https://youtu.be/SY5kHygTrFQ
Can War In Ukraine Be Avoided? An American-Russian Conversation
https://youtu.be/cSogtQ-A3cU
An example of where American “greatness”, at any rate, also comes from (In Russian, but worth reading):
https://zvezdaweekly.ru/news/20221171220-o1DEL.html
“Американцы на «блошином рынке» советских супертехнологий
Как в начале 1990-х американцы за «мелкий прайс» оптом и в розницу скупали советский оборонный потенциал
…”
“Americans on the “flea market” of Soviet super-technologies
How in early 1990-s the Americans bought up the Soviet defense potential for “small price” in wholesale and retail
…”
Wonderful as usual. Andrei, I want to support you and have had great difficulties following the instructions.I already have a patreon account and monthly contribution.
“No war with Russia”: pacifists rally in front of the White House
January 27, 2022
Learn more: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/01/27/net-voyne-s-rossiey-pacifisty-vyshli-na-miting-pered-belym-domom
the west is still blind, no one is listening. Putin tries to delay and attract looks. The Anglosphere has become a bubble, thanks to the Zionist media. Putin and Macron are now talking. For anyone who knows how painful, frustrating and slow negotiations involving anything in Europe can be, this is something to consider. All past and present leaders are well aware of how unreliable and vindictive Washington and London are. But look at the current state of the world in the midst of a pandemic that has arrested the world’s economic flow. I keep the same thought: Russia will be taken by the Anglo Zionist Empire from within. Protestant churches like Baptist and Protestant are now all over Russia, with their modern liturgy, which is stirring and changing Russian customs: people stand, clap, listen to rock and new age music to transcend, and with that Russian mentality, habits and cosmovision are getting prepared so that in the future gender ideology, irresponsible multiculturalism will finally take over Russia.
China is much more closed to this CIA and Zionist strategy, but after Russia is culturally taken over, China will not survive. The Empire still has hidden weapons that are ignored by Russia’s political leadership. It’s just a matter of time. If NATO had real Russian power and battle readiness, they would have launched a conflict against Russia without a second thought. Russia is most trusted to be a leader by setting examples of how a powerful nation should behave towards its neighbors. Power to America is just satisfying its insatiable lust for blood without thinking about the consequences.
It seems like either the Ukraine does not want to commit suicide by attacking Donbas, or everyone is playing cool for the Winter Olympic games.
Moscow put their concerns to the Americans in clear and insistent terms. The Americans (or “Americans”) came back and spat in their eyes.
The usually perceptive Ray McGovern is ready for Putin to claim a half victory and stand down. https://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2022/01/27/forecast-putin-will-accept-half-a-loaf/ For what? For a stronger informal assurance that Ukraine will not join NATO and for re-opened negotiations on intermediate range weapons? To watch the disarray in NATO (especially with Germany) and consternation in Kiev — ephemeral gains IMO that will tend to melt away if it appears the Russians are not going to do anything of significance, as Ray implies?
Martyanov says American officials aren’t serious. Well, of course they aren’t. Moscow couldn’t have expected otherwise. The collective West won’t address Russia’s demands for security guarantees but they hint [hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge] that maybe, possibly, sorta they’re willing to keep talking.
And Moscow is willing to oblige them?
Sounds at the moment like Washington’s brassing it out from a position of weakness and total disconnect from reality is carrying the day.
We keep hearing “Russians don’t bluff.” At the moment, it sure looks like they were bluffing.
MAYBE THAT WILL CHANGE. But IMO if Moscow doesn’t do something dramatic — maybe not to do with Ukraine at all — fairly soon, Biden, Blinken, Nuland, Stoltenberg, etc will all be convinced that all the tough talk from Putin, Lavrov, Riabkov, etc was just that — talk. They will take Moscow’s caution and restraint for weakness and indecision.
Why would they be wrong?
Time to give it time indeed. I agree. But HOW MUCH TIME until Moscow either acts (again, not necessarily in Ukraine) or Russia is shown to be a paper bear that even the husk of Joe Biden thinks (or his string-pullers think) can still be treated in the same dismissive way as during the past three decades?
Also: If Moscow does intend to act in due course, the longer they wait, the longer they leave themselves open to a false flag that steals the initiative from them. Presumably they had their counter-measures thought out and were only waiting for the expected responses to pull the trigger. Or not?
It is their own population that the western elite seek to decieve since the alternative is to admit that everything has stopped working.
That Idlib nonsense has gone on far too long,never understood why Russia stopped the SAA advance two years ago and signed that stupid ceasefire with the Turks.
Russia partially deserves this. It was silent when Serbia was bombed, it was silent for Libya. Too long Russia was silent, now it is on menu.
Russian elite wanted to “be like the west”, BMWs, Rolex watches, studying in USA…
Now, the price has to be paid.
As saker said before they probably couldn’t do much about Serbia at the time,the Reich chose its moment well to attack with a drunken clown was running Russia into the ground,but they abstained on the Libya vote at the UN,that was a huge mistake.
even today they want to be like the USA. It’s very seductive. Remember that Moths are burned to death by their obsession with bright lamps. Illusion. The Russians are indeed imitating the Protestant Baptist and Presbyterian churches, etc. with its cults that resemble an Anthony Robbins event, using NLP (Neurolinguistic programming) techniques. This technique was used by the CIA throughout Latin America, Brazil, Ukraine and even Belarus. They create a new fantasy world, similar to Herbalife MLM meetings and so on. China does not allow this. I can’t understand why the Russian government and parliament allow this. This will certainly cost Russia dearly in the future, and consequently China. This is ignored by everyone.
https://sputniknews.com/20220128/war-danger-boorish-diplomacy-and-uss-cossacks-in-europe-best-bits-from-lavrovs-big-interview-1092581152.html
excellent interview from Lavrov this morning….wish the whole thing was preserved somewhere
Reading and listening to “what is coming out of Russia” very lately, as I’m sure that the US Deep State is also doing, I think that there is a strong possibility that the reason that the US wanted its written response to Russia’s non-ultimatum to be kept secret is that the part of it that it wanted to be kept super-secret concerned China. But before I can make an argument to support that proposition, I need to clarify the language I will use in making it.
Rules and words have mattered a great deal to our human civilization. That they have mattered was solely because of an universally-agreed-upon “definition” of them. For example, the word paper has never equaled and must never equal the word gold and the word war has never equaled and must never equal the word peace, no matter how much any powerful nation would like them to be equivalent in the minds of the individuals that make up its bewildered herd.
What does the word “nation” mean? It means, for one example, the truly microscopic percentage of the human population that has recently come to control the area of the earth that is labeled/demarcated as “Ukraine” and, therefore, has full control over all of the resources, including human and military resources, on that particular area of the planet. That is what that word will mean in what follows.
We must understand that it is microscopic percentages of the human populations that live on meticulously delineated parts of the earth that go to war and commit genocide, not the 99.9% of the people that live within a nation’s borders. To elaborate further, when we say that “Russia”, “the UK”, “Canada”, “Australia”, “China”, “Japan”, “North Korea” or “the US” have done, or are doing, this or that, what we are in fact saying is that the separate microscopic percentages that control those places are doing, or have ordered to be done, this or that — to attack another nation, for example.
Therefore, when authorized spokespeople (people who “speak for” the microscopic percentages in Russia, the US, etc.) address “the international community”, they are speaking to the microscopic percentages that in fact are the other “nations” of their (not our, the 99.9%’s) world.
We can now carefully consider what TASS, a mouthpiece for the microscopic percentage in Russia, has reported spokesperson Dmitry Medvedev to have said recently. (This, after Mr. Peskov, another spokesperson, has very recently declared that there would be no more lock-downs in Russia; and other spokespersons speaking on behalf of some other microscopic percentages have just coincidentally said the same.)
“Pandemic poses challenge for everyone, and can be contained only together, says Medvedev
The Russian official underscored the importance of developing international cooperation in this domain, and called upon states not to become isolated”
https://tass.com/society/1394237
I’m not going to quote here what I believe to be the important parts of the article because I’d end up quoting the whole thing, so just take two minutes to read it for yourself if you want to understand what follows.
The record of the “responses” of the microscopic percentages that are “China”, “Russia”, “the US”, “France”, “India”, “UK” etc. to COVID and the results of those responses, in terms of numbers of people infected and numbers of deaths, is a matter of record — right up to and including today. (Particularly notice the latest trend in Russia by clicking on Russia in the default-ordered list.)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Then compare the performance of China’s microscopic percentage to the performance of “Russia”, as well as to those of all the other microscopic percentages in all the countries around the world. IMO, the record, again, right up to today, shouts, not merely speaks, for itself. Without assessing those performances with a score, one might come to the conclusion that all of the microscopic percentages’, for lack of a better expression, “economic systems”, except China’s, were either inherently (“genetically”, if you will) incapable of reducing the spread of the infection and the number of deaths, or those microscopic percentages willingly, knowingly chose not to undertake a maximum effort to do so.
To sum up, China’s maximum response stood/stands alone in the world, regardless of whether you think that the result of that response is good or bad.
Now go back to what the Russian microscopic percentage’s spokesperson Mr. Medvedev is reported to have said in TASS and imagine that you are a citizen of China as you read it. Also imagine yourself as a member of the microscopic percentage that makes the decisions within the CCP as you read it. How are you going to react to that article? I don’t even have to put myself in “China’s” shoes in order to be insulted by it to the point that I’d be seriously wondering just exactly what the f..k my “friend” — the microscopic percentage that constitutes “Russia” — is up to.
The microscopic percentages – the ignorant oligarchs — that make up the Western Oligarchic Transnational Elite Collective can see that their intelligent counterpart in Russia is failing as miserably as they are when it comes to eradicating COVID and minimizing the deaths caused by it. Systemically, in this particular regard, they’re kindred spirits. (But I must say here that Russia’s development of the first vaccine against COVID is nothing short of miraculous. Bravo, “Russia”!) IMO, they are also kindred spirits in many other “western” ways, too. Again, neither nations’ microscopic percentages were/are willing to suffer the economic or other consequences of a maximum-effort policy of complete eradication of COVID and minimization of deaths from it. Apparently, if a few million of their 99.9% end up dying in order to maintain their “systems” exactly as they are, so be it. They are dying for their “nations’ ” profit.
IMO, this similarity in economic systems, certainly understood by both sides, not just the Russian, is much of the reason why the microscopic percentage in Russia simply cannot fathom and cannot accept that they can not somehow make a deal with the WOTEC and eventually be, if not warmly, at least grudgingly accepted within it. They cannot understand that they must remain the WOTEC’s designated enemy in order to justify the permanent the war-spending that keeps the US economy, and, therefore, those of its vassals, from collapsing.
Again, “China” stands alone in its all-out effort to eradicate COVID (and the other viruses of the future; let’s not forget the future). So far, that’s “China’s” chosen path, not choosing maximizing profit over saving human lives. This is why I think that what “the US” wanted to be kept secret was some proposal by “the US” to “Russia” to support “the US” and the WOTEC’s ongoing attempt to “contain China”, the latter of which has a fundamentally incompatible, albeit-still-”capitalist” economic system. Oil and water will always remain “fundamentally” separated in a single glass of water. One must never, ever be allowed to drown out the other.
While I’m typing, did you ever see the play, or the TV version of the play, “Waiting for Godot”? I’ve been waiting for a Godot, or a Nikita, or a Ho, or a Fidel, or a Vladimir, or a Xi to bring down the US empire for most of my life. This real-life version of WfG is very long—- what, at least 77 years so far? I was on stage, playing my minuscule role of “slave” for a number of years. And for my 23 years of retirement I’ve been an avid member of the audience, trying to make sense of the thing.
I can’t help but think that “this time is different” with Mr. Putin and Mr. Xi on the stage, but “the rub” is that the microscopic percentage in Russia and the microscopic percentage in China just love perpetual-growth-requiring capitalism every bit as much as the Western Oligarchic Transnational Elite Collective do. And, therefore, I also can’t help but think that the Big Three’s oligarchs are going to “work something out” during the last hour of Judgment Day so that the ever-growing herd of humanity can keep right on breeding forever for their profit. Mr. Putin is begging his people to procreate much faster, and Mr. Xi is apparently going to allow only its herd-members who have children to climb the corporate ladder to “success” in China. The US microscopic percentage’s “Joe Biden” has opened the southern border to allow the southern wretched refuse to flood into America so that they can work for food, water and a place to sleep on the sacred soil of America (if they’re lucky, in a soft public park or on the carefully manicured lawns of their masters’ mansions) ………… and, of course, to vote for either an R or a D when they step into a voting booth; makes no difference which.
Superficially, anyway, the Russian microscopic percentage seems to me to be getting rather frustrated that their crystal clear, very reasonable logic has so far had absolutely no effect on the WOTEC. IMO, the reason for that is that they still, even after all this time and experience, don’t fully realize what, not who, they are dealing with. They are desperately trying to reason with a Great White Shark of a “system” that instinctively kills nations in order to remain alive. (They should go for a swim at Stinson Beach and try to reason with a Great White Shark to spare their lives. It won’t work.)
So how can this present problem can be solved peacefully? To answer that question I refer to part of what is the finest article I’ve read on The Saker – an article by Jimmie Moglia entitled “The Power Of Myth” (my emphasis in bold)
/the-power-of-myth/
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“I refer to Plato’s famous cave, described in book 7 of the Republic – where a group of prisoners have been kept in chains since they were children. They are unable to move, and all they can look at is the back-wall of their cave. Behind them and higher up a fire is burning. Between the fire and the prisoners there runs a road, lined on one side by a curtain wall, similar to the screens used in puppet theaters. Roamers of the road carry objects on their heads. The fire and the curtain cause the shadows of the head-carried objects to be projected on the wall that the prisoners can see.
The prisoners give objects names and through them they interpret their world. Unaware of the rigged system behind them, they exchange shadows for realities, ignoring that what for them is the world is but a puppet show.
One of the cave dwellers manages to escape from the cave. Finding everything so different and unfamiliar he is tempted at first to return to the life in the cave. Eventually, he realizes that the world of the cave is a world of shadows and decides to return and persuade his comrades to escape to the light of a real world. But they think he is mad and kill him.
If Plato had lived in our historical times, he might have somewhat modified the allegory, by introducing two caves, at least until 1989, an Eastern and a Western. The inhabitants of each could see what happened in the other, thus being aware of their respective limitations. As an escapee from the cave of Eastern Europe said after knowing the West, “All our government said about the East was false, but all they said about the West was true.”
For good or for bad, today there is only one cave left, and their dwellers, especially the Millennials, by default, design or destiny ignore that another world can exist and is possible, outside the cave of turbo-capitalism, statelessness, universal homologation, nihilism and the New World Order.
It would be desirable that they could become aware of it. But wishes in this world are generally vain, and in the next we shall make none.”
An insightful view sees a real chance that the US will engineer a coup against Zelensky. Poroshenko has conveniently returned to the Ukraine.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/01/why-washington-will-soon-dump-ukraines-president.html#more
New developments.
It seems as if the Biden Administration is about to engineer a spectacular cock-up in which the wily Putin sits tight and watches NATO implode as the “allies” turn on each other. Moon lays out Zelensky’s revolt at turning Ukrainians into a bloody pawn of “Biden” and the Anglo-American War Machine; the German officials, including the Chancellor Scholtz himself publicly balk almost daily at playing their role as DC- UK stooge enablers.
The Germans, in turn, are attacked by the Latvian micro-state poodles for refusing to cmmit to a pointless and devastating series of conflicts with Russia-China.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-row-erupts-latvia-blasts-germanys-immoral-hypocritical-russia-china-ties
Facing Spring elections Macron is spinning his own diplomacy independently of the US; while the Italians want to be friends with everyone, including the Chinese AND Russians.
And meanwhile “Biden” Approvals are nearly 15% underwater; and polls show Americans want no part of armed conflict with Russia. And how long can BoJo hang on?
Best outcome: Biden resigns in disgrace; BoJo out with a no-confidence vote; NATO disintegrates; Putin and Zelensky figure out a modus vivendi …. may not be so far fetched.