On April 2nd, at the time of escalation of skirmishes in Donbas, with the Ukrainian military attacking and shelling Donetsk and nearby villages, Azerbaijan has attacked the Armenian-populated Karabakh.
On March 30, 2016 Kerry met with the president of Azerbaijan Aliev and called for an ‘ultimate resolution‘ of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
Per Reuters, “U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called on Wednesday for “an ultimate resolution” of the two-decade-old Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia during talks with Azeri President Ilham Aliyev at the State Department.”
“Aliyev is in Washington for a two-day nuclear security summit hosted by President Barack Obama on Thursday and Friday.”
Of course, we have to remember that nothing is ever what it seems. It’s not a “resolution” of an Azerbaijan – Armenia conflict, but the next step in the war on Russia and China. That Armenia would be the next country to be attacked by the “global parasite” has been known since the summer of 2015.
This is what I wrote on January 16th.
“If Europeans and Americans stay away from the Middle East, Russia and its allies will gradually pacify the region as Russia has done for centuries, without much blood and atrocities, and China, Iran and India will start rebuilding the region. The migration pressure on Europe will be lifted. Angry young Muslim men will go home, and those who stay will mingle with the locals.
If, on the other hand, Europeans and Americans decide to stay and to “win” in the Middle East, help Turkey to destabilize Ukraine, and Azerbaijan, and Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. If Turkey and Azerbaijan attacks Armenia again, the US places Daesh in Iraq and Afghanistan, and supports the Saudis in attacking Iran. In this scenario, the line that Europeans try to draw through the South of Russia, will be redrawn through Warsaw, Berlin, Paris and London with millions more angry young men coming to Europe in search of entertainment.”
Reminder of the Summer 2015 attempt of the “Electric Color revolution” In Armenia
Is a “color revolution” underway in Armenia?
Armenian protests resemble Ukrainian Maidan coup scenario – Russian MP
Are Armenian Protests Aimed At Russia? — Paul Craig Roberts
Electric Yerevan’ Will Not Change Armenia’s Pro-Russian Orientation
Turkey’s Foreign Military Bases and Their Threat to Stability
The situation in the region is like a zebra cake.
We have our old, good and slightly mad Turkey. We have an Orthodox Christian Georgia, which is occupied by NATO and under the complete control of the Washington regime. In addition, the economy of Georgia has been overtaken by Turkey. 90% of its tourism industry including hotels and restaurants are owned by the Turks. In reality, Turkey can simply flip a switch and declare Georgia being a part of Turkey. That’s Erdogan’s plan. It’s no accident that he calls Azerbaijan and Turkey “one nation – two countries.” Christian Georgia and Armenia are just stuck in-between.
Turkey plans to build military bases in Georgia, even in … Armenia. “The plans for a Turkish military base in Georgia and a potential future Turkish base in Azerbaijan, perhaps in the Nakhichevan exclave between Armenia and Turkey, has prompted the mainly Armenian population of the Georgian regions of Javakhq and Tsalka to contemplate secession from Georgia and incorporation with Armenia.”
Interesting enough, this escalation comes after several months of diplomatic “efforts” by the US and the EU to undermine the fragile stability in the region.
Brussels and Washington demands to Armenia to surrender its people and territories to the NATO control in Azerbaijan
• EAFJD Action Alert Aims to Stop Anti-Karabagh Measures in Europe [source]
• the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) held a debate on two reports on Nagorno-Karabagh: “Escalation of violence in Nagorno-Karabagh and the other occupied territories of Azerbaijan,” by rapporteur Robert Walter (UK) and “Inhabitants of frontier regions of Azerbaijan are deliberately deprived of water,” by rapporteur Milica Marković (Bosnia and Herzegovina). The Parliamentary Assembly rejected the report by Walter and adopted the report by Marković. [source]
• Azerbaijan envoy says ready for military solution to Nagorno-Karabakh issue, Erdogan backs Baku [source]
• Kerry calls for ‘ultimate resolution’ of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict [source]
SITREP
1. Colonel Cassad’s sitreps for the skirmishes in Nagorno-Karabakh Karabakh 02.04.2016 – Morning
2. April 2nd, morning and daytime
After Russia, NATO also called on Azerbaijan and Armenia to cease fire.
According to the official statement of Azerbaijan they have declared a ceasefire
The shootout in the conflict zone, where on Saturday some clashes took place with the use of aviation, armored vehicles and artillery, stopped, as reported on Saturday by the head of the press service of the defense Ministry of Azerbaijan Vagif Dargyakhli.
“Shootout on the contact line of troops stopped. The situation is stable,” said Dargahi. He added that the Azerbaijani armed forces “are ready to any actions on the Armenian side“.
By the evening, the situation had stabilized somewhat. The troops of Karabakh repelled in most of the places the attacks of the Azerbaijani army, while the Azerbaijanis managed to keep some of the heights that they took using an advantage of suddenness of attack. Now there are ongoing battles with use of armored machinery and artillery. At the moment neither Armenia, and Karabakh, nor Azerbaijan have called for full mobilization. Full-scale mobilization activities would mean that a full-scale war is inevitable.
From the Armenians:
At the moment the situation is as follows: I think that it is clear that we are in a state of war. It’s obvious that now, as in August 2014, for the purpose of Azerbaijanis is to take territories on at least one sector of the front, even at the cost of hundreds of victims.
The fighting began last night and is still going on along the entire length of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border of Artsakh. This is a case when informal information is sometimes ahead of the official, and consequently we consider it necessary to make some clarifications.
• At least at this hour, enemy losses consist of 3 tanks, 2 attack helicopters and 2 unmanned aerial vehicles and an unknown number of dead and wounded amongst the combatants. There are dead and wounded also amongst the civilian population. Note that the Ministry of the Defense of Azerbaijan has confirmed the loss of only the first of Mi-24 helicopter, 1 tank, and the death of 12-and servicemen.
• It was also officially confirmed that the Armenian side also suffered losses. At this point, the data has not been published, and we urge everyone to respect the identities and rights of military personnel and not to engage in “Amateur Reporting” before the publication of official reports.
• A number of Azerbaijani villages – Sysarch-Margushavan, Gapanly, Gargage – were fully or partially evacuated. This fact has been known for quite some time by the Armenian side, even so the Azerbaijani propaganda machine (through APA) were publishing reports about the “happy and brave residents of border villages”.
• We also have victims amongst the civilian populations near the front line, but, fortunately, inhabitants of our villages are strong in spirit, and incidents of panic are not observed.
• Azerbaijan suffered heavy losses especially in the North-East direction and in the district of Aghdam. In the South the situation after the sudden success has stabilized, and there are already hints (among Azerbaijanis) on the counter-attack of Armenians to the South.
• The press Secretary of the RA Ministry of defense officially confirmed that information about the numerous losses of the Armenian side, as well as the information about the evacuation and the mobilization untrue. I will add that in Azerbaijan mobilization is not declared.
Info taken and translated from here On the situation on the frontline in Karabakh
On Sunday April 2nd, Armenian president Serzh Sargsyan announced that Armenian military lost 18 servicemen dead and 35 wounded.
As it’s always the case with NATO wars, Azerbaljan targeted schools. One school in Stepanakert was hit. One 12 yo student was killed. and several were injured.
Situation in Stepanakert after the escalation
One of the downed Azerbaijan’s helicopters
Volunteers in Stepanakert
PS: Since everything is about Russia and the war on Russia, a small fact. On March 31, Russian law enforcement arrested about 200 criminal bosses during their “meeting” in Yekaterinburg. According to some reports, all of them came from Azerbaijani.
The main reason, why the criminal Azerbaijani bosses of all Ural were arrested was the post made by someone named Agaev [0:56] on the video. In his post Agaev called for the meeting for all the criminals from Azerbaijan to come together and to “take the power into our own hands, so the Russians won’t defeat us.” “I rule this town,” he wrote. And other things, outrages in mature and very inflammatory.
The journalists on the video comments with a huge sarcasm, that the post could be fake. History knows such precedents. The fact remains, that all those criminals came to the place and have been arrested.
167 Azerbaijanis were arrested, their fingerprints and mug shots or their booking photographs taken. After that they were released back into the wild. It’s a known fact that Russians treat all migrants very well. That’s why Russia is the second country in the world after the USA in the migrants inflow. However, Europe shows us that the world is changing – and not for the better. Europe is being taken over by the Muslim migrants, who also brought with them some Islamic terrorists.
The representative from the Consulate General of Azerbaijan in Yekaterinburg, [6.35] stated that citizens of Azerbaijan have always respected of the laws of the Russian Federation.
“… Reminder of the Summer 2016 attempt of the “Electric Color revolution” In Armenia …”
That was Summer 2015, not “Summer 2016”.
Link to big map (zebra cake) not working
I think this was an attempt from Azerbaijan to “test the waters”
What does Kerry calling for the ‘ultimate resolution’ of the conflict sound like he is really calling for, and calling for it in Baku?
probably secret messages contained in his briefcase……..
You want a piece of me, huh?
Say hello to my to My Little Friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_z4IuxAqpE
Erdogan Snubbed by Obama During US Visit
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/erdogan-snubed-obama-during-us-visit/ri13670
I said, you want piece of me, Obama?
Erdogan meets with US Jewish leaders in reconciliation effort Today, April 2.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan met with Jewish leaders in Washington reportedly to smooth ties as Turkey and Israel seek to reconcile.
Jewish groups in attendance included the Anti-Defamation League, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, B’nai B’rith International, the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.
“Erdogan and the guests reiterated their willingness to strengthen cooperation and communication despite differences,” said a report Wednesday in Turkey’s Daily Sabah newspaper, citing “presidential sources.”
[….]
Daily Sabah said the participants, who included top Turkish officials, discussed “recent terror attacks in Turkey and Belgium, the war against terror, Turkey’s relations with Jews, the relations between the US, Israel and Turkey, the situation in Palestine, the refugee crisis, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.”
Jewish organizational participants said the meeting was off the record, and declined to comment, even after the meeting was reported in the Turkish press.
The American Jewish Committee, not present at the meeting, welcomed Erdogan’s overtures, while recalling recent statements by members of his party that blame Jews for Turkey’s woes.
“President Erdogan’s expressed commitment to ‘fight’ anti-Semitism…
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Erdogan-meets-with-US-Jewish-leaders-in-reconciliation-effort-450018
I’ll ask you one more time, you want a piece of me, cork******
Turkey’s Erdogan blames deadly Karabakh clashes on OSCE MG [Minsk Group]
“The struggle over Nagorno Karabakh, which has been occupied for many years, is a result of the inability of the Minsk Group,” Erdogan said, speaking to reporters ahead of a grand opening of a Turkish mosque in the Washington D.C. area.
[….]
“If the Minsk Group had taken fair and decisive steps over this, we wouldn’t have seen this incident happening right now,” Erdogan said.
Erdogan said that Turkey would support Azerbaijan to the end, adding that he had raised the issue during a two-day nuclear security summit in the U.S. capital.
http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/209486/
Nuland’s neo-jacobins must be grinning from ear to ear.
Of note, Azerbaijani military expenditures are greater than the total budget for the Armenian government.
Personally, I would not panic. Armenia will hold Nagorno-Karabakh with relative ease although a new front against Russia is already established. With Russian support the Armenians can not be evicted by Azerbaijan but the threat of direct confrontation between Russia and Turkey, thought to have dimninished, has again escalated thanks to Scar-farce Erdogan’s megalomania and treachery.
Exceptionals will never accept defeat. They could not acknowlege their defeat at Palmyra nor can they be made to see reason. Russia has been incredibly successful at twarting their plans to date but it is difficult to see how direct confrontation with NATO and Turkey can be avoided indefinitely.
I believe operation ‘Dabiq,’ a nuclear Armegeddon, is still very much on track, although locations and timing are subject to rapidly changing facts on the ground.
Zionist media is already saturated with carefully prepared propagnada, to isolate Russia, like this from Christian Science Monitor:
How serious is Putin’s pursuit of peace in Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict?
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2016/0402/How-serious-is-Putin-s-pursuit-of-peace-in-Armenia-Azerbaijan-conflict
Of special note, China’s reaction will be of tremendous importance. If they fudge support for Russia then World War 3 will definitely go hot.
It is not only Russia which is targetted, but all of humanity including domestic populations of the zionist homelands + occupied territories, which must be firmly locked down before the US dollar ponzi scheme collapses like Tower #7, in a controlled demolition.
The US election is scheduled for November 8.
Armenia-Azerbaijan fighting is coordinated with the renewed fighting in Aleppo and Latikia. A wide offensive in SW Aleppo by al Nusra and associates, and a push in Latikia towards Kinsaba.
I guess the US has surplus cannon fodder it needs to dispose of.
C I eh? and Peter Au,
I do agree with you,as long as the “exceptionalists” will not give up,the war will escalate.As far as coordination,there is one focal point in the context and that is Donbass.Anyway we have to embrace ourselves for the coming war.At least on spiritual level.
Real old style (aka highest imaginable quality) Scott Sitrep.
Thank you for the details.
My proposal: Forbid Islam and annex all the mentioned countries including the US to be Socialist Soviet Union Republics. All war criminals will be chopped into slices, starting with the CFR and Pentagon maniacs.
Sounds silly? Sadly the situation is looking so grim that my mind needs to simulate to myself being an alcoholic in order to deal with the facts on the ground.
BTW: It is really the best idea, or who thinks he has a better one?
Kerry talking with Ilham Aliyev says everything. This is a easy target for them to shake up.
What can one expect from a country that projects images of Kali on its buildings, will build Arches that resemble The temple of Baal at its casino stock exchange with London on the 19th of this month. Now many more innocent people will be murdered thanks to the satanic kabbalists who run this cult of death.
Rift? Which Rift? Can you be more specific?
Also some links to the symbols cited would be useful.
It’s a language I intend to learn, as the enemy of Humanity seems to have taken it over and extensively uses it to communicate amongst themselves and dominate the estupidos that think that if they look into it at all they will empower it, give it credence, serve Evil or some such nonsense.
The fact is that ignorance of what you are up against, in all aspects, including spiritual (or anti-spiritual, more accurately……) is strategic vulnerability to the point of irresponsible childishness.
Know your enemy, inside and out.Kerry? The pained look on his horse face tells you he is still butt-hurt from the obelisk or whatever other phallic symbol was used in his initiation into Skull and Bones many decades ago. He’s under 100% mind control. Therefore, when he says nice things about Russian/American co-operation in space, as reported from Houston by Kesha Rogers http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2016/160331_rogers_statement.html you better have a shield covering your backside, because Kerry’s Skull & Bones controllers are still deploying him to rape Mother Russia.
Hey Bro Anon,
I do not need to be specific about my handle, that’s just my business, its just a handle, leave it alone.
Now about symbols, do you mean links to articles relating to these events ? I mean come on man, it’s easy, what do you think the web is for? Or do you rely on others to do your research for you?
I will give you one, you can look for the other, it’s easy:
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/goddess-kali-hindu-god-of-death-and-destruction-projected-on-empire-state-building/
True enough Rift. There’s just this little problem called time. It keeps many from ever seeing your post, or even half of mine. It caught my eye, and now I know Kali, and can beware, although I only stopped by briefly, only had seconds to spare. If there’s gold in your symbols I’ll dig more deeply and unearth them, ’til the language they speak is no longer hidden. All for now, gotta run.
The Azeri’s are already calling a halt to military actions:
https://www.rt.com/news/338220-azerbaijan-stops-karabakh-hostilites/
Hmm – this is after they have secured some strategic positions – so if Karabakh folks try to take these back – Azeris will start again……this whole thing stinks of NATO/US/Turkish input…..I am curious about Iran in all of this – considering they have agreed a deal with Turkey and Azerbaijan. They are calling for all parties to cease at the moment.
Meanwhile Armenia’s president orders to work out mutual military alliance treaty with Karabakh…..
http://tass.ru/en/world/866821
On another note – very suspicious – fire at the MOD in Moscow – still raging and initial comment has been the infamous “electrical fault” story line.
http://tass.ru/en/defense/866845
So far – Metro balst – electrical fault; Library housing all important texts info – electrical fault and now MOD……hmm something very fishy about this…..
Add “this to that”:
Turkish cargo ship hits piers of bridge under construction in Kerch Strait
Society & Culture
March 23, 6:26 UTC+3
As a result of the incident, pier number 80 was damaged, including piles of 1,020mm diameter and 58 meters long, as well as crossbars and pile heads
http://tass.ru/en/society/864408
The Turkish ship hit a pier purposefully you seem to imply. All part of a conspiracy of enents. Perpetrated by NATO and of course Turkey. So there is some sort of connection between these events mentioned. Did Erdogan create this master plan? Then sell it to US/NATO? The same Erdogan being villanized, compared to Hitler, and portrayed as an out of control, mad man by his NATO playmates? The same Turkey currently being destabilized by Erdogans NATO partners?
@Charles Fasola:
Show me the exact point where you think I blamed this one on Erdowahn.
As you correctly say _some_body appears to have decided to destabalize Turkey next. The same somebody that advised Turkey to shoot down the fighter jet.
If you don’t believe that some master plans are being worked out all the time, I repeat for you the following:
UNFASSBAR!!! US Hauptziel IST kRIEG in Europa
(UNBELIEVABLE!!! US’s Main Goal is War in Europe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7M_P2ldsQ
Moscow MOD fire: Not a harmless one!
50 people emergency evacuated …
Images: moscow russian ministry of defense fire
https://www.google.de/search?q=moscow+russian+mod+fire&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW-5m72PLLAhUBsiwKHb1zB58Q_AUIBygB&biw=1280&bih=885#tbm=isch&q=moscow+russian+ministry+of+defense+fire
If you’ve ever seen Russian electrical wiring, you’d easily understand why electrical faults cause fires so often. Firstly, they only run an active and a neutral – No earth circuit. Secondly, the wiring is usually aluminium and not copper – less flexible and more prone to high resistance joints. Lengths of wire are often joined by twisting the two strands together. Wiring is only cloth covered and is often chased into the wall and then rendered over.
Fuses (when fitted) are more like nails than fuse wire. On/off switches (when fitted) are on the appliance and not the wall socket, or both. Plugs are direct to the socket without fuses (as per the UK system). ELCBs are unheard of.
In older wooden homes, the wires run around the house exposed and are held off the wood by short ceramic stand-offs. It’s not a wonder that houses burn down, but rather that so few do!
And finally, in Russia, everyone is an electrician and does their own electrical work, extensions and repairs. Circuits so overloaded that the response is to fit the biggest fuse possible.
My info is dated, going back to the mid 90’s and limited to the Ministry of Rails.
I’m painfully aware of the detail to which that agency (at least in Moscow) went to prevent fires, they were obsessed with it as they also ran a telecom as well as the comm networks pertaining to their internal signalling. The codes and implementation were very good.
I have to doubt that the RF’s MOD is substandard. FWIW
State Duma vice speaker says “third force” is behind Nagorno-Karabakh events
Russian Politics & Diplomacy
April 03
“It is clear that the force that continues to fan the flames of war in the Middle East, Central Asia and the Caucasus,” the parliamentarian wrote on his Facebook page on Saturday
http://tass.ru/en/politics/866824
“It is clear that the force that continues to fan the flames of war in the Middle East, Central Asia and the Caucasus dissatisfied with the peacekeeping and counter-terror success of Russia and our allies in Syria is interested in the speedy exacerbation of the protracted conflict in the Nagorno-Karabakh region,” the parliamentarian wrote on his Facebook page on Saturday.
According to Zheleznyak, “neither Azerbaijan nor Armenia essentially need this exacerbation now.” He noted that “there is every likelihood that this provocation has been organized by a third force,” adding that “information on its presence is beginning to leak out.” In view of this, he drew attention to the fact that “at night in the mountains it is enough to have a few trained armed persons who know the opposing sides’ balance of forces to provoke them to open reciprocal ‘reprisal’ fire.”
“That’s why the Russian president and our government agencies urge Armenia and Azerbaijan to cease fire and not to allow to draw them into someone else’s insidious game, as long as it is still possible,” he noted, adding that “Russia will do its utmost to defuse tensions in the Caucasus.”
ALSO,
“When the world around the IMF goes downhill, we thrive. We become extremely active because we lend money, we earn interest and charges and all the rest of it, and the institution does well. When the world goes well and we’ve had years of growth, as was the case back in 2006 and 2007, the IMF doesn’t do so well both financially and otherwise.”
Chrstine Lagarde
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-02/imfs-christine-lagarde-when-world-goes-downhill-we-thrive
@Scott
Thank you once more for prompting my consciousness.
Third Force is all.
Actually, it is Fourth Force — elemental fire — acting upon earth, air and water.
Expressed as the Fourth Poltical Theory by Dugin.
Please write more articles.
“Third force?”
Funny.
The first thing that popped into my head was that this was a provocation by a third party, hired to re-ignite the conflict.
Simultaneous firing at both sides..
Quite a few mercenaries floating about the region since the Syrian turnaround…ones who are familiar with situation…and in need of ’employment’..
@Scott,
I was reading an article talking about recent visit of both presidents to US, and shortly after we have a problem.
If I was a guessing person, I would say: Someone asked Armenia to let the pipeline from Azerbaijan go through Armenia to Turkey and Armenia refused.
Hence the trouble.
Luckily Russia intervened and stopped the mess, before it got very hot.
My thoughts are that SouthFront is correct saying that this is not the end of this story.
Slightly ot: what is the best history of Russia for an English reader?
Nicholas Riasanovsky’s A History of Russia. There are many editions Later ones (7th onwards?) come as two volume paperback
Marc. b,
I recommend that you post your question over at the Saker’s “Moveable Cafe,” as you’re likely to get more and better-discussed suggestions there. It’s become a rather good “chatty place.”
About the History of Russia in English.
It’s almost impossible to find anything without the Western bias and lies.
Try this source for a start.
https://www.reddit.com/r/russia/comments/46aarr/i_want_to_learn_everything_about_russias_history/
Also
rusopedia.rt.com
1. Sir Bernard Pares’s “The History of Russia.” Ends in 1947. Not tainted by the Cold War. Sir Bernard saw most of WW1 and WW2 in Russia at first hand. Pre 20th Century incorporates a lot of Klyuchevsky, best overall source in Russian.
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2. Best short overview: Marshall Poe’s “The Russian Moment in World History.” Written in 2003, but very prescient in its implications for the future. The recurring pattern he saw is recurring as we speak.
As I wrote on another site about this situation. Russia has tried “Mister nice guy. Now its time for ,not Mister nice guy”. They need to let Azerbaijan know in “no uncertain terms” that if they try to attack Armenia and join with Erdagon,Azerbaijan will cease to exist as a state. And the lands will be divided up between Russia,Armenia,Georgia,and Iran. All those states have areas of Azerbaijan that are claimed by those states. Armenia has claims for several sections. Georgia for some Western sections.Iran for Southern sections. And in Russia’s case, ethnic areas in the North similar to Dagestan. That could be added to Dagestan and it enlarged.They are a threat to security in that entire region. And until added to the Russian Empire. And then thrown together as a “republic” of the USSR. They were a mass of small mini-states ruled by either Armenia,Persia, or Georgia from the times of the Middle Ages. Now their treachery in trying to join with the US and Turkey against Armenia and ultimately Russia shouldn’t be coddled. But instead slapped down permanently from the start. There should be no more tolerance for ex-Soviet states by Russia. Not since seeing the results in Ukraine and the Baltic states. Showing any tolerance should be the “furthest” thing from Russia’s mind concerning those states.The aftermath of 24 years of tolerance with those states should be clear to most Russians by now.
On a related note. It appears the West has decided on a “full spectrum” of attacks on Russia. The problems in Syria,and with Turkey.The problems with Ukraine should heat up soon. And now with Azerbaijan attacking a Russian partner state of the Eurasian Union. But if we remember a week or so ago Russia warned of an attack against Putin coming up. I think the first stages of it was revealed today in the NYT. With a front page long article “implying” (accusing) Putin of having ordered the Lesin murder in Washington a few months ago. They used everything they could to accuse Putin of it. Without “actually accusing him”. They of course have no evidence of a murder Putin didn’t commit. But that has never stopped them before. When will he “stop the Mister nice guy’ with them as well, I await that time hopeful.
Uncle Bob,
“the Lesin murder in Washington”
RE: The NYT and other CIA written sources. Their problem is that it wasn’t a murder. It was an after-thought to make it look like a murder, after 4 months!
I would only trust the very first police report that ruled it as being a death by natural causes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_natural_causes
Wikipedia
A death by natural causes, as recorded by coroners and on death certificates and associated documents, is one that is primarily attributed to an illness or an internal malfunction of the body not directly influenced by external forces.
Yes,I know that. But the point is that is what they will try. They are trying to stir up another “Putin is a murderer” story there. Just like the Litvinenko case in London,and the Nemtsov case in Moscow. They are now trying a new attack “The Lesin case,he was murdered by Putin”. The facts don’t matter at all to the Russophobes and Putin haters. They now have another ball in their hands and plan on running with it. They don’t need to “prove” anything. The accusation is enough. It will stay in people’s minds for decades. Just as those others have/will. The title of the article starts it off “Mysterious Death Follows Swift Fall From Kremlin”.And from then on its total implication throughout the piece. They hope to further blacken Putin’s name in the World (hardly possible, with the other attacks against him already doing that in the West).And distract him at the same time from working on Syria ,Ukraine,and now the Armenian-Azerbaijan problems.
@UB1
You are so correct. The main problem is in the fact that all of Eastern Europe and the ex-republics
suffer from Bad Russia Syndrome, which Putin is trying to overcome at all cost. Unfortunately there are to many people in the US with influence who lived in the USSR and other Eastern European Countries, who think they know how to push Russia into it’s old image.
Making enemies is always easy, but to convince people with “psychotic phobia” to overcome that is difficult.
Who says Russia has been nice? Moscow has played Armenia and Azerbaijan off against each other. A nice way of putting Moscow’s strategy is that Armenia is a brother while Azerbaijan is a cousin. And this balancing act is widespread in Russia’s foreign policy. The drawback is that your brothers and cousins may not like you much, as they can’t trust you.
And Russia and the West don’t consider Azerbaijan attacking Karabakh the same as attacking Armenia. Legally, Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan, and not subject to any defense treaties.
By the way, what Armenia actually needs is access to Russia or the Black Sea. If Armenia took the territory in Western Azerbaijan, it would end both Azerbaijan’s and Georgia’s games to a large degree. But this would anger Russia’s cousins and partners in the West. Perhaps it is appropriate that the negotiations over Karabakh are in Minsk.
“A nice way of putting Moscow’s strategy is that Armenia is a brother while Azerbaijan is a cousin. And this balancing act is widespread in Russia’s foreign policy”
Paul, Russians still consider these territories to be parts of the Greater Russia.
The country was ripped apart against the people’s will. Twenty five years of local wars speaks out loud about the horrors of separation and the rule of liberal terror.
Russians are the common denominators of peace. When Russians leave, wars start with no end.
These nations can exist side by side peacefully only as parts of Russia.
This is not a “balancing act” of Russia, as you misleadingly call it, but the national philosophy and world view that has built the Russian Empire.
OK, but to discuss things in the real world, what percentage of citizens in Armenia or Azerbaijan are likely to vote to join Russia?
And, to play Devil’s Advocate, perhaps Russia has set in motion all of these ethnic problems in the ex-USSR because they weren’t resolved, but often even made worse through things like stupid borders. For example, why wasn’t Karabakh put inside Armenia? For that matter, why wasn’t the Armenian area of Georgia put there as well? Why do all these insane things, such as putting half of Ossetia inside Russia and half in Georgia? Can’t you see the other side to the argument, which is that Moscow set in motion so many of these disasters, such as the Ukraine? Could Moscow have been any stupider in its handling of things? Putting Galicia and the Crimea in the same state doesn’t seem that clever. Moscow thought it was playing a balancing act or divide and conquer, but it turned out to be a disaster.
A case could be made that Moscow would be wiser to try to have its side win wars rather than keep tension forever. Armenia could have done a lot more damage to Azerbaijan at the end of their war, but Russia didn’t want it. In the Ukraine, it goes without saying that Moscow hasn’t wanted the rebels to win. So this just leaves these problems to fester, as in Karabakh. The idea that money or the wallets of oligarchs will triumph over nationalism is dubious. Just because the elites in Moscow are afraid of nationalism doesn’t make it less of a tool for Baku to prop up their rotten regime. And the same is true for Kiev.
As for your idea of “there would be wars without end”, I disagree. If Moscow had paid the bribes necessary and provided some more help, Novorossiya or something like Novorossiya with a cover of some temporary figurehead could have won. In Kiev. But Moscow is extremely cautious and doesn’t want to lose money, so we see things like the Russian-Georgian War, where Russia didn’t really resolve things that much. Armenia is still geographically imprisoned, and the West still runs roughshod on things, and Turkey continually gains influence inside the country. And Turkey is strategically Russia’s enemy in just about every region. If Turkey dominates the economy of Adjara, it will be full of Turkey’s intel guys.
Historically there is a lot of validity it what you said.The Soviets did want to play “both sides”. They wanted as much as possible to please both sides (and gain their support) ,by giving them each “a part” of what they wanted. Instead of making the tough political ,and just plain,”right” decisions necessary for long-term stability. Sometimes those decisions are hard and they make people (some people) unhappy. But they must be made for a future peace.France was one of the countries that “got it right”. They saw that to unify the nation they needed to abolish the ancient provinces that bred “local” loyalties. So they created “departments” instead. All mostly equal in size,and without a thought to the different dialects in them.And those that opposed that were dealt with extremely harshly. Now,several hundred years later France has mostly been spared the regional strife that we see in other nations that left problems to fester. I think your thinking on today is true as well. Those problems should be solved,not left alone. They aren’t going away. And will return constantly to cause trouble for Russia. They need to be solved before they get worse.
Quoting, “France was one of the countries that “got it right”. They saw that to unify the nation they needed to abolish the ancient provinces that bred “local” loyalties. So they created “departments” instead. All mostly equal in size,and without a thought to the different dialects in them.And those that opposed that were dealt with extremely harshly.”
This is an example of how to destroy local people, local communities, their cultures and their way of life. It is similar to what the EU seeks to do to European people. It is an example of the tyranny of central planning and the exercise of government power.
Siotu
If you put the wants of tiny local regions against the good of the entire nation then you are right. But national leaders should not do that. They should look to the needs of all their peoples and their nation. Its an age old situation. And those that favor one small area usually end by losing their entire nation. In today’s World,its just that policy that the empire wants to see happen. Their power feeds off of their ability to split great nations and peoples into smaller and smaller local “states”. Making it far easier to control them. We see that in everything they’ve done over the years. And their ultimate prize is the planned breakup of Russia and China into smaller “manageable states”.
Uncle Bob
The error in that viewpoint is that the ordinary people are of no importance except in their ability to provide sustenance to the wielders of state power, justified by whatever the myth of the moment happens to be. All in all this is a degenerate arrangement which is causal in creating untold suffering, impoverishment, alienation from culture and language, loss of trust, mayhem, destruction, torture and death.
You state that leaders, “should look to the needs of all their peoples and their nation.” If this were true and those leaders were honest, then they would leave all of the people alone. It is not possible to satisfy the needs of all people, let alone to even know what they all are. That would require omniscience! Further, needs are never satisfied free of charge. Someone has to pay. Of course, that necessarily means that the people have to be forced to pay for whatever it is that the leader decides. Oh dear.
Too bad if the leader decides your needs are of lesser importance than are his, or those of his cronies, or of his political allies of the day, or his favoured projects. In the end, if you object or refuse then ultimately you will be “dealt with extremely harshly”; violent coercions such as theft, incarceration, torture and ultimately execution not being out of the question.
By the way, it is not a possible to justify immoral acts by citing the commission of other immoral acts.
Siotu
I’ve heard those types of arguments before. Everyone wanting to break apart nations speaks the same why. They mean nothing to me. As to you repeating my words. That’s good too. I stand by them. I don’t believe in coddling those that serve the empire. Even if it offends some believers in “PC” arguments.I’ve read too many of the past histories to not know what your arguments lead to. They end by destroying nations and killing far more people than dealing harshly with 5th column elements at the start would have done.Strong leaders prevent regionalism from destroying their nations. Weak ones see their nations destroyed while they stand and watch the show.
Uncle Bob
Righto then. Let’s take but one example (there are plenty of them but for the moment the one will suffice).
Stalin had nearly a million of his own citizens executed, beginning in the 1930s. Millions more fell victim to forced labor, deportation, famine, massacres, and detention and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen. Of Ukrainians alone it appears that the number of people murdered was in the order of some 7,000,000 victims. Goodness only knows what the all-in total of murdered Russians, Georgians, Ukrainians, etc got to, but it was an enormous number. So, the argument would appear that these 5th column elements (infants, children, women, aged and disabled included) had to be murdered least the nation be lost.
Yeah.
Right.
How is this line of thinking in any way different to that of the “empire” you so claim to revile? How exactly is it different to the Nationalist Socialists with their Fuhrer? ‘Cause if you are honest about it you’ll know that it isn’t really different at all. The methods of one are exactly the same as the methods of the other and yet, supposedly one is good and the other one is evil. The result for people, victims each, identical. Sure, the names of those in power are different. And they’ll report how heroically they, wise and brave, lead the salvation of the nation. However does that justify the crimes of coercive violence, impoverishment, theft, rape, destruction, mayhem, torture and mass murder?
To sate the lust of power; more horrid still,
The foulest stain and scandal of our nature
Became its boast — One Murder made a Villain,
Millions a Hero. — Princes were privileg’d
To kill, and numbers sanctified the crime.
Ah! why will Kings forget that they are Men? ___ Beilby Porteus
Nations are an abstraction- a creation of the mind, an idea. They do not exist save as an intellectual construct, a myth to be promoted and employed for the purpose of enforcing control over people (and a degenerate, ultimately savage control at that). It is time to let that awful nightmare go.
It is people who are the real.
To Einstein is attributed the quote, “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Think on it.
Siotu
The point is that the “cousin” must cease attacks against the “brother”. Because just as in most families. The brother will always (at least usually) take the side of a brother ,over a cousin. The Armenians (several million Armenian ethnic people live in Russia. Many for hundreds of years.),have always supported Russia (similar to the Serbs). As opposed to the Azerbaijanis,who could never be trusted to stay loyal. I doubt there is even a question in the minds of most average Russians as to which side to pick. Among the leadership,I’m not as certain. But it would risk a split among the population if they picked the “cousin” over the “brother”.
As to Karabakh,its an Armenian populated area that for literally thousands of years was considered part of Armenia. The Turk (in the historic meaning)invasions split Armenia apart. And Karabakh got included into some of the petty states set up then. After it was freed by Russia and included in the Russian Empire,the provincial borders weren’t state borders. So which province it was included in didn’t matter to people ,as there was a common nation.When the Soviets set up the “national” republics. It was included (much like Crimea under Ukraine) as a autonomous area of Azerbaijan (internal Soviet politics needed to have the Azerbaijani leaderships support). But it remained an Armenian land in all but name. When the united homeland of the USSR was broken apart. All the peoples turned on each other to claim control of their “republics”.Karabakh broke away from a now “foreign” Azerbaijan and wanted/wants to rejoin an Armenian nation.The Azerbaijanis,with Erdagan’s and the US’s encouragement. Want the Azerbaijanis to retake it,and ethnically cleanse it of Armenians. Endings the thousands of years of Armenian presence there.If not known in the West. That is known to every Armenian Worldwide. And I don’t doubt by most Russians as well.
Armenian history is a bit more complicated than that, of course. Armenians haven’t always trusted Moscow, and vice versa. Currently, due to Russia’s ignoring the importance of soft power, a whole generation has grown up in Armenia under the tremendous influence of Western NGOs and media. This makes it hard for Moscow to trust Yerevan, as so many want those euros and the people have been brainwashed. Yerevan calls it complementary politics, which sounds close to the old situation in the Ukraine. The Bolsheviks wanted to be friends with the Turks for another thing. Even in the last 15 years, Moscow has very much wanted to peel Ankara away from the West, and this meant not being seen to support Armenia too much over Karabakh. You aren’t going to lure Ankara without offering something, and what has Moscow got to offer? The West has come close to wooing Yerevan at times, and it is fortunate that a number of top Armenian officials were murdered in the parliament in 1999 and this prevented Armenia from moving closer to the West and signing a bad deal over Karabakh and a route from Turkey to Azerbaijan.
I disagree with the idea that borders were not important in the USSR. They were so important that Moscow didn’t want to permit one change, no matter how useful, out of fear the whole house of cards would come tumbling apart. So we get to your point about paying the tough price now to avoid problems in the future. Your saying that Moscow needed Azeri support and thus kept Karabakh under Baku is admitting that the borders were important, don’t you think?
None of this is meant to side with Azerbaijan. I think Moscow should more forcefully support Armenia.
By the way, there might be well over a million Azeris inside Russia. Could be even more.
“I disagree with the idea that borders were not important in the USSR. They were so important that Moscow didn’t want to permit one change, no matter how useful, out of fear the whole house of cards would come tumbling apart.”
They were important as an “illusion” then. They could point to a line and say “see we have our own territory”. But everyone knew then,what the bottom line was.There was only one territory in the end that mattered. And that was the common Soviet homeland. And if you disagreed with that too much. Well,let’s just say,that was an unwise thing to do.
“So we get to your point about paying the tough price now to avoid problems in the future. Your saying that Moscow needed Azeri support and thus kept Karabakh under Baku is admitting that the borders were important, don’t you think?”
I agree they didn’t want to pay the needed price. And wanted Azeri support. So they fed the illusion of ultimate Azeri rule there.Just like with Crimea.Keeping it a part of Ukraine.But making it autonomous. That was shown to be a flawed concept when Ukraine decided to overturn that autonomy after the coup.
“None of this is meant to side with Azerbaijan. I think Moscow should more forcefully support Armenia.”
I couldn’t agree more.
“By the way, there might be well over a million Azeris inside Russia. Could be even more.”
Possibly! But however many they are,they are not nearly as accepted and woven into Russian history,culture,and everyday society as the Armenians are. The intermarriage rate alone is very heavy between Armenians and Russians there. Very much more so than with Azeris.
To Siotu at 5:50.
I’m not sure how we came from France’s reforms for national unity. To Stalin’s Gulag’s and Hitler. I suspect there are quite a few spots open between those different methods.
I don’t necessarily think Stalin (the Soviets) followed the correct course to build national unity. If they had we wouldn’t have seen the break-up of the USSR.And the mess that the post-Soviet “Republics” find themselves in (economy and military building is a separate matter entirely).
this is ww3 starts–the west wants to cover the failing financial situation–Russia has already declared they will defend Armenia–the maniacs are taking over–this is going to get really wild i believe but of course could be wrong since not a psychic!
I believe the BTC pipeline runs through S Osettia .Maybe time for an accident there
The zionazi-nazi axis keeps pushing.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/fighting-nagorno-karabakh-headache-moscow/ri13720
Thanks for jumping on this so quickly and well, Scott.
My military friend/go-to-guy for information says that this attack is NATO/Turkey organized and to expect lots of misinformation. It is irritating that the RT reporter kept referring to Nogorno-Karabakh as ” the self proclaimed republic”. OK. so N-K is a mouthful but us English speakers can be educated and learn to pronounce it and maybe even spell it right. It also reminds me of how Donbass was labeled in the same way–it is a denigration even if the intention is not so.
During the summer of 2014, Lavrov disappeared for a month right when there was an outbreak of hostilities over Norgorno-K and supposedly he was involved in toning things down at the time. It was a very crucial time for the Donbass and the Malaysian airline had been shot down—tensions were rising, rumors were rife.
This period is starting to have the same feel.
” this attack is NATO/Turkey organized ”
Yes, of course.
But as always in recent times, this silly provocation too, should it really escalate, will backfire. Especially on Turkey.
Armenian news site in English….may be good? anyway discrimination and the keen sense of a Spartan sentinel is what is required from all of us these days coming up especially.
Looks like the practitioners of reverse domino theory/permanent counter revolution are planning to sharpen their knives on the bones of another victim. I say NOT.
http://news.am/eng/
interesting if true
http://news.am/eng/news/320352.html Looks like someone is trying to “get their ducks ( stooges?) in a row”
Has NATO offered Azerbaijan membership yet ?
Sounds familiar. Lukashenko has been playing a very strange game for quite some time, for years. Cozying up to EU in various little and not so little ways (recall what caused Russian embargo on his dairy products in 2009?). Recall also how in March 2014 he condemned Crimean joining Russian Federation, saying “it set a bad precedent”. And just this past January, during the meeting of his own security council, he compared Russia and NATO with “the hammer and the anvil” (!!). Etc…
Lukashenko knows which side his bread is buttered.
(And if he forgets, there’s always Ukraine to remind him.)
He uses these tactics to get a little more butter.i
“If Europeans and Americans stay away from the Middle East, Russia”
-*EU and Americans*, Russia is European.
Anonymous on April 03, 2016 · at 10:12 pm UTC
-*EU and Americans*, Russia is European.
“Russia is European”?
It’s an example of a cognitive dissonance.
Russia is not European. Everything European has always been an antithesis to everything Russian.
Let’s be frank. EU is Europe. NATO is Europe.
For centuries Europeans have been managing to find the ways to get together to attack Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_alliances
If not the EU, it’s NATO. If not NATO, it would be some other military Entente.
We Russians really want Europe to cease and desist laying claims on our culture, on our territories, on our country and on our wealth.
@ Scott
An organisation that might be worth researching and doing an article on is the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.
Looks like they have a big information warfare package coming up.
teranam13
In regard to “self proclaimed republic” this label should apply first and foremost to the USA! It self proclaimed to be a republic with its Declaration of Independence in 1776, from Great Britain. Thus, every time the USA is referred to in any media reporting, it should be called “the self proclaimed republic of the USA”!!
You are correct Stiv, here is some more proof, except, the USSA is not really a separate republic.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm
Refreshingly edgy link, Rift. I neither accept it all naively, nor reject it all rigidly. It takes a little time to sort and weigh, but spirit is where the rubber really meets the REAL road, not the illusory physical road. Or even the Silk Road this latest geopolitical kerfuffle is designed to scuttle. .
So much to research, so little time. I can’t even find your first post yesterday on Kalia. Wanted to follow up there, but will try once more to find it………
De-occulting the occult seems to me the solution to ending the mind control over the masses in all parts of the planet, but very many shy away from that task, superstitiously believing that if they even look at hidden things forbidden by their religions, that will empower Evil. When in fact, the opposite is the case! And very much “religion” they cling to out of hope and mental laziness and poor powers of discernment is, in fact, controlled by the very same dark occultists. Mind control. Re = Again Ligare = tie, bind to tie, or bind again , to thwart to exert Mind Control….. is one unfortunate reality of the matter. Not the only interpretation of the etymology, but realistically, the one that most often fits!
Recently I viewed all segments of the Occult History of the Third Reich and noted the irony of Russian Theosophist Blavatsky, along with HS Chamberlain??? (British occultists anyway…..) and others as the visible mind controllers of their initiates Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, etc. deployed to smash and depopulate the Eastern “Lebensraum” or “living space” desired by the Master Race, ie Russia.
https://youtu.be/gNGmg0I08pc Himmler, The Mystic one of 7 or 8 parts……….
My hunch is that others, more powerful and enduring and secret were behind these known “mystics” and are still at it today. Don’t let them scare you, guys and gals. Study their methods and symbols and free as many minds of their control as you can. Starting with your own minds. I have barely started, and its a blast, already.
Eagle, are you there? With a handle like that you should have taken in an awful lot of good detail in the last week, if you soar daily above this vineyard and the increasing density of links people are posting here.
Book: Hitler’s table talk, Night of 11th -12th July, 1941:
“National Socialism and religion cannot exist together…. The heaviest blow that
ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s
illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter
of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity…. Let it not be said that
Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural
order of things.” [p 6 & 7]
And he was absolutely correct on this matter.
The Christian bible is just a book of murder and sacrifice of the Gentiles(goyim),
destroying our culture and gods, and dividing us further. It is a book for control.
I’m back, Rift. I did catch your first post (I think.) Sometimes there are just seconds, and one distraction, and poof! Gone. But I found it, and even looked up the website you got it from.
“End times” Christian site. How about making it the end times for these fly by night “elites” of human garbage can societies, by learning their language and having greater vision than they?
A very, very modest start: Here’s some elite dark “religion” and one out of thousands of their ancient symbols:
http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/images/stories/woeih/podcast/049/owl/01.jpg
The OWL, the favorite occult symbol that the dark occultists delight in claiming for themselves, to this day: The owl. Is old and “wise” (knows ancient things about the human psyche that its prey (you, me) don’t know (or “see”) —yet. From a higher perspective (flight) than their prey (on the ground, human mice scurrying in fear in the darkness…..) Owls are carnivorous, naturally.That’s their Darwinian privilege, of course, because they are fitter, in taking the dark care to know and see more than their ignorant prey, who lack the True Care to even develop the courage to resist, they firmly believe.
Here’s the logo of the Bohemian Grove in the Redwoods north of San Francisco:
http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/images/stories/woeih/podcast/049/owl/04.jpg
The owl (a dark goddess symbol, in contrast to the white dove symbol of Love, or True Care…….with the moon behind it….also symbolic of the Goddess, the Sacred Feminine…but gone dark in the owl form, commemorating Grove dates in which elite policy moves to enslave humanity were plotted out 1933, 1909, 1872.
Next, more recent occult torchlight ritual (3rd Reich, anyone?) at the Bohemian Grove with a giant owl as backdrop to the festivities.
http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/images/stories/woeih/podcast/049/owl/05.jpg
and http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/images/stories/woeih/podcast/049/owl/06.jpg
and finally, the giant Owl carved from the lower 40 ft or so of the remains of a really big redwood, the owl depicted in broad daylight, with the elite controllers of western society gathered at its talons, inspired by its image for an occult policy making annual retreat:
http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/images/stories/woeih/podcast/050/owl/08.jpg
This ain’t the movies, folks. But that’s a whole other subject I haven’t begun to scratch the surface of, due to time constraints.Any experts on the flicks out there in vineyard land???
Not me. But I do know the society around me is saturated with cinematic occult symbols served up by the elite controllers to “The Dead”, and “The Unbegun”, as they call those that flock to purchase their mind control as “entertainment”..
I only referenced that site as it was one of the many on the first page, they things you mention I have known for years though.
I just feel this is also not a forum for this discussion, only in the way it effects the shaping war, that is the reason I mentioned it in the beginning.
Thanks anyway.
Things are quiet on the front. Only thing I notice is once again the movement of equipment. mainly from NATO, but Russia has also moved equipment now, a few tank divisions closer to their border.
Ok, Rift, but I am of a different opinion. Which is: Until people really have an in depth basic grounding of what they are up against, spiritually, they are like a boxer with one eye: They are going to get flattened by a punch they never saw coming.
Like JFK in Dallas.
My first foray into that “blind side” had to do with 911. The 15th comment to this Saker post by
JiminNH /is-there-a-crack-in-the-dam-holding-back-the-truth-on-syria/.
If you don’y know what’s in the shadows, you better fear what is there. If you do and won’t inform others, then my question is: “Whose side are you really on?”
yup–uk paper been full of pages of **** re ‘possible” or ‘actual Putin’s girlfriends last few days, unbelievable……..probably just trying to hang it this Consortium……is there any big event coming up for Rus that they could try to spoil-May 9th Victory day ?
March of the Immortal Regiment??
Diversion for this week’s APR 6 Dutch vote only (not EU-wide) on accepting Uke into some kind of “partnership”?
So, look for a distraction of daily breathless BS bulletin style ‘updates’ with more names & details (probably randomly generated, with names taken off headstones)
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/poroshenko-bemoans-timing-dutch-vote-ukraine-225435513–business.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Friday bemoaned the timing of an April 6 referendum in the Netherlands on a treaty on closer ties between the European Union and Ukraine saying it comes as Europe is debating its own future.
yup here we are
re todays 11 million file leak The Panama Papers of widescale financial offshoring-including Poroshenko-
“German newspaper Suddeutsche Zeitung obtained the files and shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists but the identity of the source who leaked them and how it was done is unknown.
The unprecedented leak of confidential documents reveal:
A network of secret offshore deals and loans worth £1.4 billion that leads to Russian President Vladimir Putin;
Twelve national leaders, including the King of Saudi Arabia, president of Ukraine and the prime minister of Iceland, are among 143 politicians revealed to have offshore accounts, including several dictators;
Six members of the House of Lords, three former Conservative MPs and dozens of donors to British political parties are among those said to have benefited from tax havens;
A member of Fifa’s ethics committee, which is supposed to be reforming the organisation, worked as a lawyer for people charged with bribery and corruption.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3521830/Tax-havens-world-s-rich-famous-revealed-huge-data-leak.html#ixzz44qOlpChO
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook”
Mail claims Putin is one of the 12 leaders included….in its headline, but only refers in actuailty to his inner circle” close friends
note the guilt by association here
‘Putin and the ‘Dirty Dozen’: 11million leaked documents reveal how TWELVE world leaders – plus Russian leader’s inner circle, British politicians and Lords – hide their millions in tax havens” but later says
“Putin’s name is not included in the records but his friends and associates appear to have earned millions of pounds from deals that would have been difficult to secure without his patronage…….The leaks also reveal a suspected billion-dollar money laundering ring that was run by a Russian bank and involved close associates of President Putin. ”
Gerard Ryle, director of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, said the documents covered the day-to-day business at Mossack Fonseca for the past 40 years.
Revealed: The money trail that leads from Vladimir Putin’s best friend and head of his ‘crony bank’ all the way back round to the Russian president
Leaked financial data reveals how a network of secret offshore deals and huge loans worth £1.4billion created a trail beginning and ending with Vladimir Putin, it has been reported.
A massive leak of documents reveal how the Russian president’s best friend Sergei Roldugin and the man who heads up Putin’s ‘crony bank’ Yuri Kovalchuk are linked to the movement of money offshore.
Bank Rossiya, which Roldugin owns 3.2 per cent of, sent instructions to Swiss lawyers who in turn got in touch with Mossack Fonseca. The Panamanian law firm then set up offshore company Sandalwood Continental Ltd in the British Virgin Islands and other offshores linked to Roldugin.
The so-called Panama Papers implicate those in Russian president Vladimir Putin’s inner circle. This graphic shows how Putin’s best friend Sergei Roldugin, who owns 3.2 per cent of Bank Rossiya, and the man who heads the bank up, Yuri Kovalchuk, are linked to a trail which has seen money moved offshore via Swiss lawyers, Mossack Fonseca, and a subsidiary of Russia’s state-owned VTB bank in Cyprus to a firm set up in the British Virgin Islands called Sandalwood Continental Ltd. Money was then lent to Ozon, which owns the private Igora ski resort outside St Petersburg, the place where Putin’s daughter Katya got married
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The so-called Panama Papers implicate those in Russian president Vladimir Putin’s inner circle. This graphic shows how Putin’s best friend Sergei Roldugin, who owns 3.2 per cent of Bank Rossiya, and the man who heads the bank up, Yuri Kovalchuk, are linked to a trail which has seen money moved offshore via Swiss lawyers, Mossack Fonseca, and a subsidiary of Russia’s state-owned VTB bank in Cyprus to a firm set up in the British Virgin Islands called Sandalwood Continental Ltd. Money was then lent to Ozon, which owns the private Igora ski resort outside St Petersburg, the place where Putin’s daughter Katya got married
But the money later found its way back to Russia via Ozon, which was lent $11.3million by Sandalwood in 2010/11. Ozon is the owner of the private Igora ski resort outside St Petersburg, where Putin’s daughter Katya got married, according to The Guardian.
Putin’s name is not included in the leaked documents but his friends and associates appear to have earned millions of pounds from deals that would have been difficult to secure without his patronage.
Meanwhile Roldugin, a professional musician, is said to have accumulated a fortune by being put in control of a series of assets worth at least $100million.
Last week a senior Russian official revealed how the Kremlin was braced for an expose on Mr Putin’s alleged secret fortune.
Spokesman Dmitry Peskov, one of the president’s closest aides, dismissed the allegations as false and politically motivated even before they were published.
He said a number of foreign secret services were behind the claims, which suggest that Mr Putin has amassed a secret personal fortune of more than £28billion ($40billion). ”
etc etc
Yes,it appears that every time they “discover” something on Putin. It ends not being “really” on Putin. But on people he knows. Not even on his relatives. But just people “he knows”. I don’t doubt if that criteria was used with every single World leader all their names would have to be included there. But they only use that with Putin. Because he is the single target for the West’s hogwash.
But also with this story,I’m not even sure there is anything to it at all. Are they claiming those revelations on those people are “criminal” acts. I think its very unclear on that. Is having foreign accounts a criminal offence. Maybe it is in some countries,but not in others. I’m not sure on that. It really seems that what they are doing is just shouting out “we found a bunch of rich people here. Hey guys,we discovered rich people”.I think we ,the non-rich,are quite aware already that they exist. And I for one,am not surprised at all that they have accounts in foreign countries.
I know this article is from BIN, but on occasionally they do have a jewel in their mix, this is a great piece:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/04/panama-papers-this-is-why-they-published-them-now-and-who-they-are-out-to-get-3331430.html
Anon was me, I forgot to add my handle.
I don’t think Putin is involved personally in such transactions.He personally advised everybody not to keep his money on offshore banks or any other foreign banks,not once,not twice,and that doing it openly before the cameras.It is not a surprise therefore that the west – through their MSM media – is pursuing this and other issues like that against him personally.The west cannot just simply give up the idea that Putin’s hidden agenda is to revive the Soviet Union and thus to spread communism all over the globe – see”Russia is a threat to Europe” accusations as well – “justifying” the military buildup around her borders and imposing repeatedly economic sanctions.The war is going on against Russia on all fronts.The most dangerous front by the way is in Russia itself,those traitors who are well known or less known for us.Indeed,the most dangerous enemy is not him who stands with an army at the gates of your country ready to attack ,but those in your country who were born there,who are speaking your language,who know your feelings and needs and who are doing the job of the Evil.Take the example of Jesus,he was also betrayed from one of his follower,Judas.There is need for cure,people became to lazy,they are too easy targets for any form of corruption,some of them are insatiable with money and power.
That cure will be WAR.
English are the main money laundering business they steal others money brought to London by their stooges in the third world and then English keep that money in British tax havens. Europe has many times askedthem to stop this piracy but English say it is their service industry.!
So best way for Rusdia to get her wealth from England is to say that those who harbour the criminals of other countries to cheat other countries of therir money, are gping to bear consequences,
After saying that if englabnd does not return those stolean money then rusdia should massively bomb England both convenytionally and by nukes.
With destruction of England Russia does not have to fight with anynothers because wprld eill rejoiceand the only people eho constanntly conire against Russia that people and their cpuntry England will have been destryed and divided into managable 5 to 7 parts.
The underlying problem in Russia, as elsewhere, is … capitalism. In it, anyone’s and anyone’s family’s security and well-being are directly proportional to the ability to hoard, by any means available, whenever and wherever there is an “opportunity”. And who has better “opportunities” than a well-connected politician in power? In a cut-throat jungle, to publicly preach monastic virtues is easy, to practice (and force one’s own family to practice) these is quite another matter.
So, don’t blame these named politicians (all of them) and their friends. Be charitable. Just pretend along that they are as virtuous as they claim to be (and as you think that you are). At least, give a thought: what would you do if poor you were in power – and all your closest friends were thoroughly crooked oligarchs? And should this all be overwhelmingly confusing to you, piously pray (but make sure you do it in public).
This ‘limited hangout’, its ultimate funders (various US think tanks & foundations, & USAID) & its garbage dump is covered very well over at MoonOfAlabama.org today’s topic there, & good forum post additional info & notes.
Recall just on March 28 Russia issued a special press release warning this was coming.
… the “world leaders” can always be found in De Nial…
Asia Times Editorial: Panama Papers: Amid investigations, leaders deny wrongdoing
World leaders denied wrongdoing and several countries launched investigations a day after a huge leak of confidential documents revealed how the rich and powerful used tax havens to hide their wealth. …
http://atimes.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-tax-havens-of-worlds-rich-and-famous/
The so-called Panama Papers is an Anglo-American intelligence operation disguised as investigative journalism.
Produced by the “International” (read: Euro-American) Consortium of Investigative Journalists, which itself is connected to American Wall Street oligarch George Soros, the Panama Papers is neither an independent nor impartial investigation of corruption, as it attempts to masquerade as.
Where, for example, is the expose of the massive corruption of American regime rulers from George Bush to Barack Obama, who are financed, supported, and connected mouth-to-tit to Wall Street or the US military industrial complex?
Firstly, this “journalism” is directed against geopolitical targets of the American Empire like President Putin and Assad, both of whom the United States is desperate to politically smear and overthrow.
Interestingly, it is also directed against rulers of American client states like Ukraine’s Poroshenko and Azerbaijan’s Aliyev, whom the USA wants to keep on a short leash and ensure their compliance with American geopolitical designs (like fomenting proxy wars in Eurasia).
Beyond this, the Panama Papers (like the FIFA “scandal” before it) heralds an ominous new development: America’s weaponization of corruption as a tool to advance US imperial ambitions under the cover of fighting corruption.
America will manipulate and weaponize ANY issue it touches–including anti-terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, the rule of law, migration, workers rights, gay/lesbian rights, human rights, and of course the mother-of-all American lies, freedom and democracy.
Like the bogus War on Terrorism, America’s War on Corruption is equally fraudulent and only serves to advance US imperial objectives.
Geopolitics of Corruption: George Soros and the ‘Panama Leaks’
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/geopolitics-of-corruption-george-soros.html
‘Corruption’ as a Propaganda Weapon
http://www.globalresearch.ca/corruption-as-a-propaganda-weapon/5518663
War on Corruption or Building of a Pax Americana? I & II
http://www.4thmedia.org/2013/08/the-war-on-corruption-or-the-building-of-a-pax-americana-i-ii/
History of the Panama Papers: Offshore Banking Havens: Hidden Agenda behind the 2013 Operation “Offshore Leaks”?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/tax-free-offshore-banking-havens-hidden-agenda-behind-operation-offshore-leaks/5331792
I have one very simple solution to the crisis and that is for Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh to apply for union once again with Russia. That will quieten the Azeris somewhat. Erdogan will squark, so whats new?Europe and US will apply sanctions. Yawn! Armenia will be safe.
Simplistic? Yes. Naive? Of course. A brilliant idea? Most certainly! Will it occur? Nope. Should it? Yep.
The Armenian people have suffered enough. Its time to go back under the protective arms of the Mother Bear.
There’s a possibility of a bit of ‘distraction theory’ going on here ….
Obama ‘no boots on the ground’ is flying them in —
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-03/us-greatly-increase-special-forces-deployed-syria
and now this …
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iranian-special-forces-deploy-syria/
Let’s hope they focus on ISIS/Daesh and not each other.
seems to me like their next step might be reigniting transinistria conflict, with the help and Porkie, Sachasvilii and some supporters of a greater Romania in Kishinev :(
It does seem so. Check this:
Romania is promoting the idea of establishing a NATO fleet in the Black Sea
BUCHAREST, 4 April, TASS. Romania expects that establishment of a NATO fleet in the Black Sea will be approved at the Warsaw summit of NATO in July, and it will also include Georgian and Ukrainian warships. This was announced by the Minister of defence of Romania Mihnea Motok in an interview published on the news portal hotnews.ro. …
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/3174219
http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-20913195-exclusiv-romania-vrea-brigada-multinationala-nato-teritoriul-sau-mihnea-motoc-ministrul-apararii-anunta-noi-achizitii-pentru-armata-transportoare-blindate-corvete-inca-escadrila-avioane-f16-interviu-v.htm
fabien
The former Romanian president Traian Basescu,has recently applied for the Moldavian citizenship,according to him,as for to get involved legally as full citizen in the Moldovan politics,and so helping them to “re-join Romania”,thus becoming the full NATO membership and the full EU membership.
Another smear campaing against Putin have started with opening Panama files. It would be great if you make summary about recent anti-Putin propaganda in Western-media.
Although the UK figures prominently in these files, and is named in the first ten countries, the disgraced journalist Luke Harding of the UK Guardian chose to go after Putin, rather than the British connections. His russophobic approach was todays headlines! Says rather a lot about the bias in the British media and extremely sad for the credibility of the Guardian’s reporting. The BBC s Panorama is also gunning for Putin in this year old scoop. Deutschlandfunk radio in Germany this morning covered the Panama files without mentioning Putin once.
The guardian’s role exposes where this latest smear originates from – from parties loyal to the zionist Jewish establishment. Besides all the other unsavoury practices they engage in, the guardian’s main role is being the vanguard for Jewish zionist propaganda and disinformation.
Tracing back to the history, we can see that widespread Armenian migration process widened by the Peter the First’s order issued on November 10, 1724 and has gained regular character since the beginning of the 19th century. In 1828, more than 5000 families were settled in Karabakh and Iravan. (The Armenian Question in the Caucasus, Russian Archive Documents and Publications (1724-1914), Volume I, p. 112-114) Despite of such undeniable evidences, Armenians still believe that they are historical residents of Caucasus.
You must be kidding, right!?! Here is but a minor proof about the history of Armenians: Read about Tigranus Magnus (Tigran the Great). Whose kingdom stretched from the Caspian sea to the Mediterranean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigranes_the_Great
He fought the great Roman general Lucullus and reconciled with Cesar’s future son in law Pompey the great. Read some (edited for language.Mod on duty) history before you spew your (edited) around intelligent and cultured people.
Make dolma, not war! War has never brought advantage to any country, This conflict should and can be resolved in peaceful terms. However, two points should be met: Armenian armed forces should leave territories of Azerbaijan, ethnic Azerbaijanis should brought back to their lands. Simple, right?
Azerbaijan has been always supporter of peaceful settlement. During more than 25 years, Armenia has been always stopping peace negotiations with some ridiculous reasons. Our position has not changed during years: we demanded resolutions of conflict with regard to territorial integrity. Position of Armenia has changed so many times since start of war. First, u wanted to include Karabakh to Armenia. Then u wanted Armenians living in Karabakh an autonomy. Then u changed ur minds to “independent Karabakh”. We are and always been ready to solve this issue within Azerbaijani territories. even this small fact shows the truth about gov. of Armenia.
U want history? here is history for you: After the end of first world war, France, Britain and US agreed to divide Turkey in seperation zones. One of its parts (eastern Turkey) was intended to be given to Armenia, but Ataturk ruined all of these ideas. Armenian desire of Greater Armenia and other kind of historical fake stories take its roots from this period. Armenians were massively moved to Azerbaijani territories (namely Karabakh and Nakhchiven) during Russian Empire in 19th century. During Stalin’s period of USSR, again Armenian were moved to Karabkh. It shows that this is our territories. You have illegally occupied it, killed our mothers and sisters. We pursued for more than 25 years peaceful resolution of this conlifct. We were ready to give autonomy to Armenians in Azerbaijan. But you refused! Nobody wanted war. Nobody wants it now. But with all my due respect, don’t u think time for leaving territories of Azerbaijan came? P.S. if u are unable to find unbiased information about what I have written here, just let me know, I will share some links. Good luck! Peace!
Karabkh is an internationally recognized land of Azerbaijan! No country in earth except Armenia have recognized NK (as u refer “Artskakh”). It is time to refer to judgments and decisions of internationally recognized organizations; not to fake stories that have been told to you in childhood. I am sorry for breaking your wrong assumptions about the real world. Actually you can see what the world says here: http://www.un.org/press/en/2008/ga10693.doc.htm
Do u want an ugly truth? Here is it: Turkey, Turkemistan, Pakistan has expressed their readiness to send soldiers, weapons and other technology to Azerbaijan. High-level officials from Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova expressed their support to Azerbaijan. Belorus, Kazakhstan and other members of Eurasian union has not said anything (and that’s why ambassador of Armenia in Belorus was called back). Look, all these support of international community show very clearly where is justice, and who is right in this conflict
Do u want an ugly truth? Here is it: Turkey, Turkemistan, Pakistan has expressed their readiness to send soldiers, weapons and other technology to Azerbaijan. High-level officials from Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova expressed their support to Azerbaijan. Belorus, Kazakhstan and other members of Eurasian union has not said anything (and that’s why ambassador of Armenia in Belorus was called back). Look, all these support of international community show very clearly where is justice, and who is right in this conflict
Guys, let’s get back to reality. Karabkh is a part of Azerbaijan. Every country has said not once. Internationally respected organisations have expressed it – http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/or/13508.htm. The formula for solution is very simple: u don’t war, leave Azerbaijani territories. I know, that’s difficult to realise. I had the same feeling when for years I have been told that Santa Claus exist, but then found out that it was no other than just a made-up story. The same with independent “Artsakh”.
If can argue till morning about history. Did this territory belong to Azerbaijan or Armenia, some will argue it was Persian, etc. The truth is when Azerbaijan became independent in 1991, it borders included Karabakh. But now Armenian forces are there. Look, very simple, this occupation is illegal, illegitimate. U might try argue against it, but 4 UNSC and 1 UNGA resolution as well as statements of governments including EU, CoE plus judgement of European Court of Human rights are saying completely against ur stories.
War is a terrible thing. I can say as person whose family is affected by it. What we want is justice. What we want is to live in peace. What we want is to wake up in mornings without fear that our children might die in contact zone. For this there is only one thing to do. Armenian illegal troops should go out of Azerbaijan. Simple armenian does not need this meaningless war. What else can Azerbaijan do for peace? Isn’t autonomy enough?
Since 90s Armenia illegally controls our territory, Karabakh. Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe in 2005 recognised this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/in_depth/newsid_4236000/4236153.stm) as well as United Nations. Not even one president in the world said that Karabkh is a seperate state. Doesn’t it tell u anything?
As goodwill Azerbaijan has announced unilateral ceasefire today, but Armenian troops continued to attack opposite sides. Isn’t it an evident proof of Azerbaijani’s will to solve this conflict peacefully? These are international resolutions which prove that you have to leave our lands immediately: http://www.un.org/press/en/2008/ga10693.doc.htm
it is we who wanted peace. It is we who waited for morality of Armenia for more than 25 years. But, it is Armenia that illegally continued occupation of Azerbaijani lands, used its resources for gaining money, killed so brutally Azerbaijani children, elderly people as well as women. Just remember Khojali genocide. Ur president, Sargasyan himself said that “till Khojali Azerbaijanis thought that Armenians cannot kill, here we are!” Is it ur humanistic approach?
Fighting takes place on internationally recognized territories of Azerbaijan. Regardless of 4 UNSC resolutions, ECoHR decision on Chiragov and others v. Armenia case, Armenia still continues its occupation. Not any single rational person would enjoy war. I personally as well as gov. of Azerbaijan several times expressed that this conflict should be solved in peaceful terms. But, frankly, first of all, for that Armenian combatants should leave Azerbaijani territories. You can find all detailed facts in this file: https://lovdata.no/static/EMDN/emd-2005-013216-2.pdf
6. I cannot understand why Armenians are so surprised about this news. United Nations Security Council 4 times required Armenian troops to withdraw from Azerbaijani lands (http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/or/13508.htm) as well as United Nations General Assembly (http://www.un.org/press/en/2008/ga10693.doc.htm). Conflict is on Azerbaijani territories, and we have right to overthrew illegitimate and sometimes even terroristic regime (many civilians including kids were killed since 90s)
No country in the earth recognizes NK as an independent state. Claiming this mean being against the whole world, international law; and honestly, even believing to this is a joke
Karabakh is a historical Azerbaijani territory where dozens and dozens Armenians were deported from Iran, Turkey, Russia during 19th century in Tsarist Russia.
2. After Stalin’s decree hundreds of Armenians were moved to Karabakh during 40s-50s.
3. Armenians declared Karabakh as independent state and forced all Azerbaijanis from those territories to flee.
4. In the beginning of 90s Armenian forces backed by Russians killed so brutally Azerbaijanis. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97AtpQ_fSX8)
5. United Nations Security Council required Arm forces to withdraw from Azerbaijani territories. 4 times!!!! http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/or/13508.htm
6. United Nations General Assembly called on Armenian troops to stop agression and withdraw from Azerbaijan! http://www.un.org/press/en/2008/ga10693.doc.htm
7. in 1994 ceasefire between Az and Arm was signed to stop temporarily conflict.
8. OSCE, Council of Europe, European Union and literally every state in the earth (of course Armenia) stated that “Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan!”
9. European Court of Human Rights announced its decision that it is Armenia how controls occupied territories of Azerbaijan. There is not such thing as independent Karabakh. https://lovdata.no/static/EMDN/emd-2005-013216-2.pdf
10. During all these years Azerbaijan stated each time that we want this conflict to be resolved in peaceful terms, not war. (But remember, according to inter. law, we are allowed to start war and get back our territories, but didn’t want people dying on both sides)
If we go back to history, easily can be found a plenty of documents that legally prove that Armenians were moved to Azerbaijani territories, namely Karabakh and Nakhchivan. (Example of it might be Stalin’s decision). What is more, these territories are internationally recognized territories of Azerbaijan. Hence, Armenia keeping forces there breaks international law as an aggressor.
http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/or/13508.htm
If we go back to history, easily can be found a plenty of documents that legally prove that Armenians were moved to Azerbaijani territories, namely Karabakh and Nakhchivan. (Example of it might be Stalin’s decision). What is more, these territories are internationally recognized territories of Azerbaijan. Hence, Armenia keeping forces there breaks international law as an aggressor.
http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/or/13508.htm
21. Azerbaijan calls the International community to demand from Armenia to cease the illegal occupation of Azerbaijan’s territories, to withdraw its troops from all seized lands and to engage constructively in the conflict settlement process in accordance with the requirements of relevant resolutions of the UNSC and the norms and principles of international law. http://www.un.org/press/en/2008/ga10693.doc.htm
Azerbaijan is as fake a state as Ukraine is (maybe more so). It was set up by the Bolsheviks after the Revolution. Even the name is a copy of a region in Iran. The original names for that area were Aran and Albania (no relation to the one in Europe).After a few centuries of Armenian rule,and Persian (mostly Persian) rule. It had a short time as an independent “Christian” state. After the fall of Persia to Islam it slowly was conquered by Islamic warlords. And several small Sultanates were formed there. Until it fell back again under Persian rule. Where it remained until Russia acquired it from Persia. The Bolsheviks joined several parts together and called it a “republic”.Had they not started murdering Armenians in the 1980’s things might have ended better. But just as Crimea broke away from Ukraine out of fear of massacres. The same was true of Karabakh. The Azeris can only blame themselves for the situation today.
Do not know about this source but the military info. is interesting re: Azeri weaponry
http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/209671/
Just wondering what collective noun best describes the above posts..
A flurry of Azeris?
A rash?
A bluster?
Or just one guy with MPD?
Eimar
Websayanim play acting at being Azeris is probably it. That’s most often the case with these sorts of “sudden appearances” of commenters pushing similar themes.
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 62/243
The resolution reaffirmed “continued respect and support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity” of Azerbaijan “within its internationally recognized borders”, demanded the “immediate, complete and unconditional withdrawal of all Armenian forces from all the occupied territories” of Azerbaijan and emphasized that “no state shall render aid or assistance” to maintain the occupation of Azerbaijani territories.Please be informed that this conflict has nothing to do with religion. Muslims, christians and jews live peacfully in Azerbaijan without having any conflicts. These clashes are happening inside the borders of Azerbaijan and every country has a right to protect his land and people from attacks. Before blaming any sides, make sure you know that there are not any Azeris living in Karabakh and Armenia due to ethnic cleansing, genocide and lots of human humiliating acts performed by Armenia against Azeris and please ask yourselves: What is Armenian army doing in the territory of Azerbaijan…
http://www.un.org/press/en/2008/ga10693.doc.htm
http://www.osce.org/mc/39539?download=true
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S%2FRES%2F884%281993%29
http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/or/13508.htm
The same question could be asked of the Azeris. Why from over 12% of the Azerbaijan population in the past, almost all Armenians there now are in Karabakh . Its because of them having to flee,and being ethnically cleansed from the other areas after massacres.As to the ridiculous question of them being in Azerbaijan. The question should be turned around. What is the Republic of Azerbaijan doing trying to hold territory that has been Armenian populated since the beginning of history in that region. Since we all know how those “UN Resolutions” are gotten. And how much the powers think of them and obey them. I’d say the best use of that one is for toilet paper.
Its appearing daily that the Armenian-Azerbaijani clash must end in a full out war. And Armenia hopefully is preparing quickly for that. I hope even as I type they are calling on the Worldwide Armenian diaspora to start providing volunteer troops to aid in that war. In every Armenian community men should be mobilizing to fight. And contributions of arms and money collected. There are several million Armenians in Russia and the US (as well as the MENA and the EU). And armed volunteers need to be preparing to aid their ancestral homeland and people. Never again should the Armenians allow Turks (Ottoman or Azerbaijani) to murder them without a fight to the death.
Hmmm I wonder what Chechny’s Kadyrov’s relations are with either or both of these countries they are a bit nearer to him than Syria….
It can’t be any doubt that it is a coordinated attack against Russia on all fronts. It is obvious that Americans try to reignite all latent, smouldering conflicts around Russia. Caucasus is obviously the prime target. Azerbaijanis have been given their marching orders publicly. “We want to see an ultimate resolution of the frozen conflict of Nagorno-Karabakh”, John Kerry told President Aliyev. He heaped praise particularly on his “leadership on the Southern Gas Corridor. This is a very important step with respect to Europe’s long-term strategic interests, and frankly, to try to diversify the sourcing of energy, which is important.” In other words for the sabotage of Gazprom.
Aleiv was directly suggested to have his Saakashvili moment and repeat the South Ossetian scenario. It certainly is in connection with Ukrainian ramblings, “strengthening of defences against Russia aggression” from the Baltic to the Black Sea, with the renewal of the information war against Putin, with the aggressive movements of Turkey in Syria, etc. Why the Azerbaijanis suddenly cannot sleep at night if they do not “liberate” NK, precisely at this juncture, after decennia of relative calm. And the Sultan with his Vizir cannot sleep either if they don’t liberate their Turk brothers (from Crimea, Syria, Caucasus) from the Russian yoke?
Is the Padishah ready to proclaim the jihad against the giaur Russia?
Why are calls to “return” Hagia Sophia to the Muslim cult? Not to assert the supremacy of Islam over the Christians? But there are reports that people who live in the vicinity of Hagia Sophia are often overpowered by the fragrance of incense coming from the Church at night! That might keep the Turks on edge and remind them of the prophecies of St. Paisios of the Holy Mountain about the impending demise of Turkey and return of Constantinople to the Christians.
Nagorni-Karabakh has always been a traditional and histroical territory of Azerbaidjan.Armenia has occupied these territories beginning from 1992 and held it for more than 20 years. They did not reply to any peaceful statements and never sat around the table to figure out the ways to put an end to this dispute. What they did was just occupying and illegally holding these places.Now the time has come to free our territories. We did not have any other choice except applying military actions. We are now really close to our goal to get our Mother Land back and make Our Nation happy.God bless us all and Our Soldiers. Amin.
(Don’t use caps in whole sections. I fixed it this time. Next time it will have to be thrashed.)Mod on duty.
Since when? You mean the 1920’s maybe? There was no “Azerbaijan” for it to have been a part of before then. Whatever tiny Sultanate, Karabakh may have belonged to for short times,it was always populated by Armenians throughout history.
So much fuss over what seems corporate government logo one versus another. Is it not all just Rome, in the end?
Or does team bank east give out more free stuff?
From the run of recent posts, it seems team Azerbaijan has the backing of Ukraine and Turkey not to mention Kerry.
Islamists, nazi’s and empire….. what can go wrong?
This could be the real reason for sudden pool-out from Syria?
” america and Europe helping Turkey to destabilise ukraine”……….
eg?
The report said: “We CyberBerkut, continue to be in the closed computer networks Ukraine’s presidential administration. In e-mails we have found officials Poroshenko draft decree on the establishment of the territories of the Crimea and Kherson region of the Crimean Tatar national autonomy and provision of land to live there Meskhetian Turks. Option is working, but it clearly shows the line of thought of the Kiev junta.
According to data obtained from the correspondence of Ukrainian officials working draft document appeared Poroshenko after talks with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, so clearly more frequent in recent years. Kiev mode also calculates rename the city Kherson in Khan Giray. Kiev still continue to look for a “political sponsors,” where he will lay a solution to their many problems. The United States this is not enough, and Europe has long been burdened obsession “the dignity of the revolutionaries.” Apparently, now the great hopes of the Ukrainian establishment linked with Turkey. ”
Prospects for the residents of Kherson region in connection with the conspiracy leaders of the Crimean Tatar extremists and Ukrainian President disappointing.
“Renaming the city of Kherson in Khan Giray, the elimination of the Kherson region, resettlement on its territory nearly one million Muslims – this is the price you have to pay the people of the region for aspiration Kiev clicks at all costs to preserve their power, including using Turkish bayonets. In this regard, a very eloquent plans in place, “Khan Giree” Turkish Consulate General and a representative of the Turkish International Cooperation Agency. It is obvious that through these Ankara plans to carry out external control of the Crimean Tatar national autonomy, pushing aside Poroshenko and the junta “- CyberBerkut notes, attaching the relevant document.”
http://www.anna-news.info/node/56061
Do not know about this source but the military info. is interesting re: Azeri weaponry
http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/209671/
Thanks Scott. Seriously there is no other source of what’s going on there but you. It’s like as if the internet (in the West anyway) is purposefully trying to suppress what’s going on over there.
How are doing Rambo.
Have not heard from you for so long. Email me, please. We need to talk.
Frozen conflicts are a ticking time-bomb that provides Russia (and Soviet Union before) with an unique opportunity/tool to divide and rule, use those conflicts to its own benefits when necessary and put pressure on those governments. Wherever there is a frozen conflict in the former Soviet republics, there is always a hidden Russian hand, Russian interest and the Russian plan behind it. Nobody has benefited more from the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing in the former Soviet territories than the Kremlin a.k.a. the Russian political establishment and the GRU. And the belief that a frozen conflict will always be on pause is a false assumption, since the Russians have always manipulated those conflicts force their own political choices upon various governments. This has happened many times in Georgia (Abkhazian region of Georgia and Samachablo), Moldova, Armenia & Azerbaijan and Ukraine. And this won’t stop anytime soon, since all the keys to solving these problems are in the Kremlin in Putin’s hands. As long as these conditions persists, we will have sudden flare-ups and short-term bloodshed – mini-wars in these regions.
David Dzidzikashvili,
What you are propagating here is an alternative reality. In other words it’s fake.
In your neo-liberal fake reality people in Odessa burned themselves. People in Donbass bombed themselves. And Russian nation robbed itself in 1990s.
You want to see something real?
Documents of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) found in Crimea proving that SBU knew that Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar’s leader Mustafa Dzhemilev,was a Turkish spy and worked for Turkish secret services for decades!
Tones of evidence generated by the SBU of Ukraine. for the past 20 years.
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2690447.html
Look who is on the picture with Mustafa Dzhemilev.
Do you recognize this person?
I can see by your name that you’re might be Georgian.
How is life in Georgia under Turkey? Enjoying Turks?
Are you ready to become a part of Turkey?
It’s going to be fun to sell your daughters to the Ottoman harems.
Oh, I am sorry. I should say, to give them for free in exchange for permission to keep your head on your shoulders.
BTW, the Kremlin just announced that they will make public huge amount of information about the dirty dealings of governments of Georgia, Turkey, Ukraine and everyone else.
What you see above is just the beginning.
You people should know better than to poke a bear, who has a file on everyone.
congrats on Rus’s and OSCE hard work are due methinks
BAKU, April 7. /TASS/. The Foreign Ministers of Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran – Sergey Lavrov, Elmar Mammadyarov and Mohammad Javad Zarif have expressed satisfaction with a ceasefire achieved in Nagorno-Karabakh, Lavrov said on Thursday after talks with his Iranian and Azerbaijani colleagues.
“We could not bypass such a hot issue as the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh. We expressed satisfaction over the reached ceasefire…,” he said. “We have exerted efforts to help our close friends to attain this agreement which, hopefully, will be complied with and observed, including with taking into account the fact that there are known agreements that had been adopted back in the 1990s and that are related to the indefinite obligations concerning the ceasefire regime.”
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Azerbaijan set to hold talks on Karabakh settlement — president
German foreign minister names conditions for de-escalation of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict
Lavrov said that Russian President Vladimir Putin had direct talks with the presidents of Azerbaijan and Armenia. “Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev is in Yerevan today, and tomorrow he will be here – in Baku,” the minister said. “Contacts have also been made through the General Staff Chiefs of Russia, Azerbaijan and Armenia.”
“We think that today’s situation requires that we take a closer look at the agreements made in the past, work out confidence-building measures on the contact line,” the Russian foreign minister said. “They were discussed by the co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group and by the special envoy of the current OSCE chairperson-on-office. Probably now, in view of the outbreak of violence that has happened and that has been overcome after all, we could return to this issue.”
“But I must say straight away that confidence-building in the conflict area does not at all mean that we should relax our efforts aimed at attaining a comprehensive political settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict,” Lavrov said. “And Russia, both as a country co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group and in its national capacity as a country that has close and good relations with Azerbaijan and Armenia, will do everything in its power to promote its initiatives in line with the work that has been recently done in this sphere,” the minister said.
The situation along the line of contact in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone deteriorated dramatically overnight to April 2, fierce clashes began. The parties to the conflict accused each other of violating the truce.
Talks on Nagorno-Karabakh have been held on the basis of the so-called Madrid Principles suggested by co-chairs of the Minsk Group of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) – Russia, France and the United States – in December 2007 in the Spanish capital.
They include three key principles written in the Helsinki Final Act: refraining from the threat or use of force, territorial integrity and the right to self-determination.”
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