On September 27, a new regional war in South Caucasus arose from the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict over the contested Nagorno-Karabakh region.
Pro-Armenian forces captured the region in the early 90s triggering an armed conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Further development of the hostilities and the expected offensive by pro-Azerbajian forces were stopped by a Russian intervention in May of 1994. As of September 2020, the Nagorno-Karabakh region and nearby areas are still under the control of Armenian forces, de-facto making it an unrecognized Armenian state – the Republic of Artsakh (more widely known as the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic).
The 2018 political crisis in Armenia the led to a seizure of power in the country by de-facto pro-Western forces led by current Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan which did not strengthen Armenian positions over the territorial dispute. The double standard policy of the Armenian government, which was de-facto conducting anti-Russian actions but keeping public rhetoric pro-Russian, also played its own role. For years, Russia has been the only guarantor of Armenian statehood and the only force capable to rescue it in the event of a full-scale Azerbaijani-Turkish attack. Nonetheless, the Armenian leadership did pretty well in undermining its strategic partnership with its neighbor.
On the other hand, the political and economic situation in Azerbaijan was more stable. Baku also was able to secure good working relations with Russia. Together with the developing strategic partnership with Turkey, a natural historical ally of the country, and the strengthening of Turkish positions in the Greater Middle East, led to an expected attempt by Azerbaijan to restore control over the contested territories.
The Azerbaijani advance started on in the morning of September 27 and as of September 28, the Azerbaijani military said that it had captured seven villages and several key heights in the Fuzuli and Jabrayil areas. The military also announced that Azerbaijan captured the Murov height of the Murovdag mountain range and established fire control of the Vardenis-Aghdar road connecting Karabakh with Armenia. The Ministry of Defense said that this will prevent the transportation of additional troops and equipment from Armenia along the route in the direction of the Kelbajar and Aghdar regions in Karabakh.
The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry also claimed that over 550 Armenian soldiers were killed and dozens pieces of Armenian military equipment, including at least 15 Osa air defense systems, 22 battle tanks and 8 artillery guns, were destroyed. All statements from the Armenian side about the casualties among Azerbaijani forces were denounced as fake news.
Azerbaijan calls the ongoing advance a “counter-offensive” needed to put an end to Armenian ceasefire violations and to protect civilians. President Ilham Aliyev signed a martial law decree and vowed to “restore historical justice” and “restore the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan” Turkey immediately declared its full support to Azerbaijan saying that it is ready to assist it in any way requested, including military support.
In its own turn, the Armenian military admitted that Azerbaijan captured some positions near Talish, but denied that the Vardenis-Aghdar road was cut off. According to it, at least 200 Azerbaijani soldiers were killed, 30 armored vehicles and 20 drones were destroyed. The Armenian Defense Ministry also said that it has data about Turkish involvement in the conflict, the usage of Turkish weapons and the presence of mercenaries linked to Turkey. Earlier, reports appeared that Turkey was deploying members of its Syrian proxy groups in Azerbaijan. Arayik Harutyunyan, the President of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, openly stated that the republic is at war with both Azerbaijan and Turkey.
The Washington establishment that helped Pashinyan to seize power is also not hurrying up to assist its ‘new friends’ in Armenia. They see the Nagorno-Karabakh region as a point of possible conflict between Russia and Turkey (which is useful to promote the US agenda in the Greater Middle East). The instability in South Caucasus, close to the borders of Russia and Iran, also contributes to the geopolitical interests of the United States. Therefore, the Pashinyan government should not expect any real help from the ‘democratic superpower’.
On the other hand, the direct involvement of Russia and thus the Collective Security Treaty Organization on the side of Armenia is unlikely until there is no direct attack on its territory. Moscow would intervene into the conflict both politically and militarily, but only as far as necessary to prevent a violation of Armenia’s borders. Russia would not contribute military efforts to restore Armenian control over Nagorno Karabakh should the region be captured by Azerbaijan.
If the regional war between Azerbaijan and Armenia develops further in the current direction, Armenia could loose at least a part of its positions in the contested region. In the worst-case scenario for the Armenian leadership, Azerbaijan, with help from Turkey, will have a real chance to restore control over the most of the contested Nagorno-Karabakh region.
Thank you for posting this. To me it appears to be the hottest spot on the planet at the moment.
I would be mighty curious learning Saker’s perspective on this development.
Anonymous
What we have here is a joint American/Turkish provocation, where Turkey’s and American interests coincide. The intent is to destabilize Russia from the South, from the Caucuses. The attempt will fail.
Partisanship is off the charts in this site
Russia/China/Iran/Turkey=Angels
US/UK/Israel=Demons
Reality….all are of equal low standing
Group A are still underdog-ish and they haven’t shown their true colours yet. (with the exception of Turkey)
Why are you here, reading all these long articles on the site — I take it you read what’s written?
Pretty obvious you’ve not read most of the comments and aren’t used to anything sophisticated. You’re probably more used to ‘A’ good, ‘Z’ bad, nothing in between, no nuance. Everything black and white. Nothing too taxing on the mind, please. Regular coke or diet coke. Hotdogs with or without mustard. Burgers with cheese or without? Would you like some fries? Here’s a tough one — coffee, tea or soda?
Rico,
I’m curious, could you please list some good things that the US, UK and Israel have done. And some bad things that Russia, China and Iran have done.
Turkey isn’t in the same league as these others.
Turkey (Erdogan)is not normally well favoured by many commenters on this site and why would it be? However, you have it very right about the US/UK/Israel, so full marks there.
The Washington establishment that helped Pashinyan to seize power is also not hurrying up to assist its ‘new friends’ in Armenia. They see the Nagorno-Karabakh region as a point of possible conflict between Russia and Turkey (which is useful to promote the US agenda in the Greater Middle East) in the Greater Middle East).
The bloodthirsty Washington elite must be delighted with this development on RF’s southern flank. Drinks all around. Another thorny problem for RF to solve and with a possibility of it clashing with Turkey, what’s not to like?
It’s still early days yet and we don’t know how the situation is going to evolve but to my mind RF is in a bit of a bind presently. It has to maintain the moral high ground and that means honouring its international commitments viz a viz CSTO and Armenia. On the other hand it has to play fair with Azerbaijan with whom it has maintained good relations. It also has to maintain its working relationship with Turkey. RF can’t let itself be drawn into a spat between two relatively small countries, but geography matters in geopolitics. USnato has already made inroads at least in Azerbaijan and Sultan Erdogan has made menacing noises to interfere. Not a word yet out of the OSCE’s Minsk group. Quite a lot on Sergei Lavrov’s plate at the moment.
You are exactly on spot. Putin has just frozen the conflict years ago. Now he is busy with Belarus (after Syria), Trump with elections and BLM. So Erdogan plays his game. US deep state just lets him and his ISIS mercenaries do their job for no costs. What will Russia get?
Mad Erdogan’s dogs at the Caucasus gates and 3rd Chechen war…
No doubt Kadyrov is aware of it and he already let hear of him.
How will it end? Teaching the Turkish dictator a final lesson and definitely Bosporus belonging to Russia. Greece will help and get the Cyprus as a reward!
It appears that Fujuli and Jabrayil are in the Southern part of Artsak and the Vardenis-Aghdarn road is in the north of the disputed territory so is this a two front attack?
https://www.jpost.com/sites/default/files/BloggersImages/898%5C/image/map-nagorno-karabakh-azeri-.gif
This is important because it may very well show how well this was planned out ahead of time. And where are those pesky pipelines everyone is talking about anyway?
From Colonel Cassad telegram feed – DeepL translation
Briefly about developments in Karabakh for the evening of September 28.
1. For today Azerbaijan has much less victorious relapses. After serious losses on September 27, today the Azerbaijanis did not have a particularly large-scale advance, which, however, did not prevent them from bearing losses from the fire of Armenians who declared another portion of destroyed equipment and personnel.
In turn, Azerbaijan actively used artillery and UAVs to suppress Armenian positions, also demonstrating yesterday’s drone strikes and shots from one of the occupied Armenian positions.
It is worth mentioning that it also resembles Turkey’s operation in Africa, where after the first days, the Kurds seriously slowed the Turkish army’s advance after initially invading their territory, but after a couple of weeks of such processing, their defense gradually began to crumble and the Turks were able to realize their numerical and technological superiority. Something similar may have been attempted in Karabakh. The blitzkrieg in Azerbaijan did not work anyway. A very substantial price was paid for the small tactical successes.
On the other hand, if Azerbaijan does not have big successes in the next few days, then under the influence of international pressure and losses, Azerbaijan may go for fixation of a new status-quo, declaring the occupation of several settlements as a victory over “Armenian aggressors”. But for Baku, this will obviously be an attempt to make a good mine in a bad game. Azerbaijan’s ambitions extend far beyond.
2. Armenia is threatening to use tactical missiles, including Iskandera, if Azerbaijan starts using F-16 in Karabakh. It should be noted that in case of expansion of the war space, Armenia is capable of causing critical damage to the Azerbaijani oil infrastructure, which would make the war completely unprofitable for Azerbaijan. It is also prohibited for men between 18 and 55 years old to travel abroad and be mobilized. It is worth noting that Azerbaijan accuses Armenia of being able to attract volunteers and PMCs from Russia. This scenario is certainly quite realistic, especially if the Armenian government pays for such contracts. But so far it looks more like an attempt to hide from the accusations of using Syrian terrorists for an offensive in Karabakh.
3. the Armenian Defense Ministry claims that Azerbaijan lost 370 dead and many more wounded in two days. The destruction of 32 armored vehicles has been declared. Azerbaijan claims hundreds of killed Armenian soldiers and dozens of destroyed vehicles. As many as 450 dead were declared yesterday.
It is believed that both sides underestimate their losses and inflate the losses of their opponents. You can judge by the technique only by the fact that photos and videos are confirmed. So far, the principle of “Write to the side about what these Armenians/Azerbaijanis regret” has been applied.
4. Armenia announced this afternoon that it had shot down an Azerbaijani plane. Azerbaijan refutes this by stating that it did not lose any aircraft. There are fewer reports of drones shot down today than on September 27 – apparently, the loss of some air defense systems in Karabakh is affecting. To fight effectively for air, Armenians need more modern air defense systems or at least the same “Panciri” which, as the practice of war in Libya shows, even in old modifications are quite capable of shooting down Turkish drones and making changes. But unlike Haftar, which is supplied by the UAE with an SAM system, only Russia can insure Armenia.
It should be noted that Azerbaijan’s statements on destroying the positions of the Armenian S-300s have also been refuted. The Armenians claim that the complexes are combat ready.
5. Erdogan reiterated today that Armenia must withdraw its troops from Karabakh and hand them over to Azerbaijan. Turkey continues to insist on its own, traditionally trying to blackmail its opponents by force. But as the example of Libya or Syria shows, where Turkey is seriously repulsed, all Turkish pathos is quickly blown away.
Thanks for this. As soon as I read “Russian PMC” for some reason I think of Ukraine at work…..never forgetting Erdogan supports Tartars who feel exciled from Crimea and who are troublemakers like moderate rebels…….
Does Russia need Turkey to strengthen its position in the Caucasus??
Armenia must be supported for maintain the status quo
Turkey should be ousted from developing a owerful role in that area
Putin surely sees this? Or is business more important Turkstream etcetc
Turkey / Erdogan is a malign power in the middle east
US minions doing their stinky job, and this is only the beginning of an orchestrated campaign
https://politikus.ru/events/131626-gruziya-zapretila-prolet-rossiyskomu-an-124-s-voennym-gruzom-dlya-armenii.html
In a one on one fight Armenia would – yet again – smack Azerbaijan around. But it won’t be a fair fight because the Ottomans are guaranteed to continue backing the Azeris in every way, from equipment to troops to jihadi headchoppers. This was so predictable that even I said yesterday, as soon as I had heard that Azerbaijan attacked Nagorno Karabakh, that the Ottomans were responsible. Yet Putin was – how many times is this now? Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Belarus? – caught napping. All he would have needed to do was call his friend Erdogan, whom he’s been appeasing since the 2016 coup, and tell him that the attack would not happen or else the Russian tourists would again stop coming. But he didn’t.
So now what is Russia to do? If Russia backs Armenia, it means years of appeasement of the Ottomans goes waste, if it backs Azerbaijan it earns the hatred of Armenia for no returns, if it acts “neutral”, Azerbaijan, with Ottoman help, will do what it couldn’t alone, that is, beat Armenia, retaking Nagorno Karabakh, and if it aids “both sides” it ends up being hated by both.
Of course, common logic would at this stage have Russia openly and aggressively backing Armenia, leaving the regime with no option but to support Russia because the Amerikastani Empire would drop it at once. But common logic does not apply to the Omniscient Geopolitical Grandmaster and Certified Greatest Genius the Universe Has Ever Seen.
It has been suggested that Russia wants/needs to teach a lesson to Armenia – ally with Russia and we will protect you, play games with the West and the dogs will eat you. Same as Belarus.
“Russia wants/needs to teach a lesson to Armenia”
Absolutely correct. Satellites would have informed the Russians of a build-up by the Azarbaijanis. They knew very well what was planned. It takes weeks to prepare for such and attack. The logistics are formidable.
Let’s face it, no one in Armenia is going to vote again for the gang that allowed this to happen. The people who sided with the USA are politically finished.
I don’t know about the Armenian-Russian mutual defense agreement. But I suspect that it does not cover Nagorno-Karabakh. The Russian can sit and wait. Let the Armenians witness the double-dealing of the West.
Yet Putin was – how many times is this now? Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Belarus? – caught napping.
I seriously doubt that this is the case. Pretty sure he has been aware of developments in the Caucasus.
The thing is, Russia can’t take a side in every little scuffle and provocation that the AZE throws at her.
Remember a couple years ago, when the good folks in Yerevan gathered in the streets to protest their electric bills? They tossed out their Russia-facing chief and replaced him with one facing ‘West’, as I understand. If that is the case, then both sides in this conflict are answerable to the empire’s ‘blob’, and it is not up to Russia to participate in it.
It’s not a little scuffle and provocation, it’s a serious challenge.
Unfortunately, by not participating, Russia is vacating the field. Does Russia want another enemy spearhead pointed at its underbelly to join Georgia and Ukranazistan? If so it’s doing well at it.
Of course, common logic would at this stage have Russia openly and aggressively backing Armenia, leaving the regime with no option but to support Russia because the Amerikastani Empire would drop it at once.
And what is the effect on Azerbaijan, pray tell? Will the Azeris put up Putin’s name in light saying ‘Vladimir be good tonite’? People forget that it takes two to wage war.
Does Russia want another enemy spearhead pointed at its underbelly to join Georgia and Ukranazistan
Who, Armenia? Well that can be easily solved. Get Azerbaijan to keep it in check. Only trouble is, by following your logical advice, Putin has alienated the Azeris who have — surprise! — become an ‘enemy spearhead’ without any prompting from the Empire.
The Azeris were already an enemy spearhead by allying with the Ottomans. If you’re going to condemn Armenia or Belarus for trying to sit on two chairs, you need to double condemn Russia on Armenia and Azerbaijan.
When it comes to which world leader is the most duplicitous piece of mierda on the planet Erdogan wins hands down. It’s Turks like Erdogan and Wahhabis that give Islam a bad name. This conflict is tragic. I love both Armenian and Azeri people. God willing may peace prevail in the South Caucuses.
As far as I know, Armenia is a member of CSTO.
Russia is obliged by the rules of CSTO to intervene in this war on behalf of its ally Armenia.
I am afraid that Armenians will suffer the destiny of Serbia in 1999. waiting in vain for Russian help. Or maybe I am wrong?
Now is the moment of truth.
If Russia doesn’t help its ally Armenia it is the green light for Anglo-Zionists to attack Iran.
Allegedly the Armenian foreign minister has said that Armenia has not yet invoked the CSTO defence clause. I don’t know how much of that is true. The Armenian regime might imagine that because it destroyed a few Azeri tanks and drones and recaptured a village or two it can win by itself. It is mistaken. In a war of attrition Armenia is doomed.
A book from Solzhenicin V avguste 1914 clearly shows how mother Russia should act. Samsonovs could stay at home this time.
I would only close airspace border with Turkey, integrated airdefense, land must be defended by Armenian army..Black sea locked 15 km of Turkish coast.
Raise stakes than wait, Turkey is playing with week hands.
If they pay, dont forget to liberate sacred mountain Ararat!
I have read “August 1914” several times but I don’t understand what lesson it holds that’s relevant here except that court favourites make extremely poor generals. This isn’t 1914 – or 1994 for that matter – and though I’m (obviously) extremely anti Putin, his generals aren’t chosen for loyalty but due competence. There are no Samsonovs and there won’t be any Tannenbergs. Perhaps you could choose to explain what you mean?
Colonel V. or Solzenicin himself stated that Russian entrance in WW1 was not sound, or lets say stupid.
Russia entered because of France and Serbia..does Russia have anything with France?..Serbia was smashed anyway, despite brave fight, mother Russia was to far for any help. Yes generals were spoiled, fat and lazy..their ego costed Russia millions of souls, old imperial Russia collapsed..
As i know Armenia wants to sit on two chairs, so Russia can wait a bit..send few planes with AA munition.
Armenia is small but brave country, she can smash Azeris on defence imo. Turks better stay out, this war could cost you a state.
This isn’t comparable. Tsarist Russia was entangled in alliances and opposed by an alliance, here Russia is threatened by an alliance that’s trying to expand into every square millimetre of its border.
And nowhere do we see that the views of the 90% of the people of the contested region who identify as Armenian have been sought or taken
remotely into account by anyone.
If Russia let Armenia be defeated, it will be humiliation for Russia itself. Russia will show that it is incapable to defend it’s allies , and that Erdogan have upper hand in Russia-Turkey relationship.
If Russia chooses to “let Armenia learn a lesson”, as some people claim, that’s equivalent to making Armenian people hate Russia. It is like watching your girlfriend be assaulted so she understands that she needs your protection. That’s the exact opposite of how foreign policy successes work.
Your girlfriend who was dating someone else as well as you. I could see waiting for her to realise her mistake and asking you for help when she realises what a useless twat the other guy is.
And that will bring her back to your arms when she saw you watching him beat her up and doing nothing?
Extract
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There is reliable information that a part of this (Turkish) equipment and military personnel, brought both to Nakhichevan and to the territory of flat Karabakh, did not return to Turkey after military exercises and demonstration flights . I stayed there, on Azerbaijani territory, ”the expert concludes. It should also be noted that the Azerbaijani-Turkish “tandem” developed activity in the Karabakh conflict zone literally the next day after the end of the Kavkaz-2020 strategic command and staff exercises , which took place in the zone of responsibility of the Southern Military District of Russia from 21 to 26 September.”
https://fort-russ.com/amp/2020/09/the-frn-daily-news-brief-2020-09-27/#_author_permlink_84201
Bit of a back stab methinks to Russia….as in recent years Lavrov has been trying to settle affairs down that way. But clearly Azer has decided to ignore him and given preference to their new pals in Ankara….something between them has deliberately parked this off?
“Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov discussed the frozen conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh with President Ilham Aliyev on the first day of his visit to Azerbaijan on December 2. Lavrov said at a meeting with Aliyev in Baku that Russia was interested in the fulfillment of confidence-building measures as part of the settlement of the situation in Azerbaijan’s breakaway Nagorno-Karabakh, which is populated mostly by ethnic Armenians. The region declared independence from Azerbaijan amid a 1988-94 war that claimed an estimated 30,000 lives and displaced hundreds of thousands of people. Russia brokered a fragile truce in 1994 and the region has been under the control of ethnic-Armenian forces that Azerbaijan says include troops supplied by Armenia. The region’s claim to independence has not been recognized by any country. On March 29 in Vienna, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinian and Aliyev held their first meeting under the auspices of the so-called Minsk Group, which leads diplomatic efforts to resolve the protracted dispute. Russia, the United States, and France are the co-chairs of the Minsk Group of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) that acts as a mediator in resolving the crisis. Yerevan and Baku described the talks as “positive” and “constructive,” saying the sides had agreed to strengthen the cease-fire regime in the conflict zone and continue their dialogue. “We want those agreements on confidence-building measures and on establishing humanitarian contacts, specifically those between media outlets, which were reached at the Vienna summit and reconfirmed at the ministerial meeting in Moscow, to be implemented,” Lavrov said in his opening remarks at a meeting with Aliyev. These agreements “are being gradually fulfilled,” Lavrov said. Lavrov was also scheduled to hold talks with Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov. With reporting by TASS”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/russia-fm-lavrov-to-discuss-karabakh-issue-in-azerbaijan-visit/30302950.html
All preplanned…no provocation from Armenia..as press journos…media all in place by Azerbaijan at the kick off. The strident puicity from them sounds very familiar to Turkish and Erdo propaganda we have seen elsewheres.
Latest headline from sphtniknews
“10:30 Ankara Considers Attack on Azerbaijani Territory an Attack on Turkish Soil, Deputy Head of Governing Party Says”
Wow ..some empire building…
….. OSCE calls for all international help to stop the conflict( thus admitting its failures?)…
Wow, Putin’s failure to reign in Turkey to the good side with all the benefits: Turkish stream, s400 etc.
Huge failure.
Add it to the endless list of Putinist failures….all of which are explained away by his worshippers as genius far too elevated for us normal humans to comprehend.
Anyone who trusts Erdogan on anything is in urgent need of a brain transplant.
Putin will not overtly help Armenia until he is directly asked, or if Russian interests are being attacked. The West has been creating incidents all around Russia’s borders with the intention of goading Russia into an unnecessary war so they can then proceed with even more claims of “aggressive Russia” and invoke more sanctions. I seriously doubt that Russian intelligence was unaware of the plans by the Turks and Azerbaijanis. Russia is not the world police.
But everybody tells me that sanctions are good for Russia?!? Putin, Lavrov, etc.
So bring it on!
Certain sanctions might be good because they force Russia to be self sufficient. Then there is also the potential of financial sanctions (Madginsky or threatening SWIFT) and also the sanctions against athletes for fake doping allegations, etc. It’s not that Russia can’t deal with sanctions, but why should they provoke them if they don’t have to? Ultimately, the goal (which Putin has stated several times) is fthat there be no war on Russian territory, so whatever choices he is given, he tries to choose the lesser evil.
Calling for Russian intervention to help Armenia seems like a reckless and potentially dangerous course of action. What Russia can do, was what she did last time when conflict broke out between Azerbaijan and Armenia – exert diplomatic pressure on Ankara and Baku to convince them to deescalate. Russia has enough leverage over Erdogan to prevent him from getting involved further in the conflict, and if Erdogan is reigned in, Baku will not risk any entanglement which would be extremely risky for them.
Erdogan at the moment is engaged on too many fronts, Syria, Libya, and he’s at odds with the EU and the US, it seems he’s going for broke with his geopolitical and geostrategic gambles but it’s clear that his very political survival now depends on pursuing an aggressive foreign policy. Russia should make it clear to him that the cost of further escalation in the Caucasus will be his isolation.
Exactly right Marion.
Russian intervention to assist Armenia is not only counter-productive but downright stupid. And Russian leadership are not stupid.
The fire on RF’s southern flank needs dousing, not more fuel.
The Attack on Armenia is the latest convulsion of the western Deep State, before Trump takes 4 more years in the White House.
During the next 4 Years Trump should work with Putin to restore the multilateral world.
On the agenda should be:
The end of NATO. The end of the EU.
The erection of a Nordic Defense alliance and free trade area among the Nordic Nations.
Erdogan must go. Turkish withdrawal of its troops and mercenaries from Syrian, Libya, Cyprus and Armenian Territory. The erection of a Kurdish State. The restoration of Hagia Sofia as a Christian Cathedral.
US Troops and mercenaries withdrawal from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, The Persian Gulf, Ukraine, Romania, Poland, Germany, Belarus and The Baltic States.
Netanyahu must go. The End of Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories. The erection of a Palestinian State including Gaza.
Active International prosecution of all individuals responsible for War-crimes since 1991.
The end of the UN and transnational private monopolies and NGO.
The erection of a just world order based on respect for National Sovereignty and Ethnic cultures.
The end of the petro Dollar.
The erection of a just monetary system based on a Gold standard.
A. Dane
The most interesting thing in this ‘Caucuses War’ is who is behind it.
1) Azerbaijan had ‘no interest’ in starting this war. They ‘lost several times’ already, and it is only going to cost them money and the lives of their people. It will not end in strawberries and cream for them. They’ve been ‘tricked into taking the war option.’
2) Turkey, even thought they are ‘obviously involved in what is happening, are not the ‘main protagonist’. Turkey has a war on their boarder in 1) Syria, b) Iraq, c) deteriorating relations with Russia, d) very bad relations with Greece, e) is already at odds with Iran, f) has icy relations with Bulgaria, g) now wants to step into Armenia… That is EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY on Turkeys boarders is feeling the boot of Turkey. This can’t go well for Turkey – ie: they’ve ‘rubbed up EVERY single neighbour the ‘wrong way’. Soo… Turkey has have been ‘offered assurances by NATO / U.$. that ‘the big boys will step in to help when it goes bad’ – and it will turn bad for Turkey.
3) ‘Terrorists’ being flown around the MENA to work as ‘mercenaries’ will only stay loyal whilst the money flows. If the money stops ‘moderate’ terrorists have a habit of pursuing their own interests VERY quickly – they will take it out of Turkey’s hide when the moderate terrorists get left out in the cold. 133,000 ‘terrorists’ dead in Syria is not a good track record for the Terrorists and they will start feeling like ‘patsies’ very soon.
4) Why have the terrorists NOT ATTACKED ISRAHELL yet? 10 years and counting and ‘moderate rebel Muslims STILL don’t want to help the ‘downtrodden brothers in IsraHell? Give me a break. It’s the elephant in the room the ZioMedia is trying very hard to ignore. IsraHell is untouched by every single conflagration in the region and still no one points a gun at them? Come on. They just does’t wash in ANY sort of reality where people have two brain cells to rub together.
So… who is behind this? The U.$. and ZioWorld of course. Cue Bono? It’s very straight forward. Follow the money. Follow the motive. Follow the ‘opportunity it creates for the U.$. to ‘distract from Syria’ and dilute ‘Shia crescent resources.’
So what is MOST interesting in all this? It’s what it is happening? And I don’t mean what is LOOKS like is ACTUALLY happening – I mean, The U.$, and ZioWorld have no qualms about destroying countries and countless millions of peoples lives – just so long as the U.$. and ZioWorld come out on top. If the U.$. and ZioWorld can do this to ‘them’…. then they WILL do it to YOU. Cue Bono. You’ve been informed.