By Ivan Lisan for Odnako
Source: За девятым кругом ада: какие перемены ждут украинское общество после войны
Translated from Russian by Alexander
The civil war in Ukraine is like a huge meat grinder. The hands that turn the screw conveyor kill dozens of people every day and destroy thousands of people’s lives. However, any war will sooner or later come to an end, and the wounds on the tissue of society will gradually scar – though leaving an ugly trail of dead, wounded and displaced. Therefore it would be no harm to understand how Ukrainian society will change after the war.
Life without a state
The state as a social institution – both in LDNR and the rest of Ukraine – ceased to exist.
In the “Maidan-khanat” Ukraine it continues to decay at different rates depending on the region, and the latest function, and is kept up by the “Ukrainian authorities”, – repressively, and with the only method of control – terror.
In LDNR the state was destroyed by Kiev authorities at the time when they gave the order to block everything they could and evacuate government agencies from what is now called “occupied territories”. However, in the republics state institutions have been created from scratch and there are successes in this matter, although the pace of state-building is clearly inadequate.
For Kiev, LDNR are not even provinces – of which MPs kindly redrew borders – but territory. Kiev wages war merely for territory, not for the people who live in it. Kiev doesn’t need people – neither their own, which it has to feed, nor others who are just in the way, – and people are rapidly “mogilized.” [mogila = grave] Or, as the great orator Klitschko said, “prepare the ground”.
Therefore, based on the logic of Nikolai Berdyaev, who wrote that “the state is not created in order to turn life into a paradise, but in order to not turn it into hell” and the harsh reality on the territory of Ukraine is that there is no state, branches of hell are opening in big numbers.
Bloody process of transformation
So far the number of those killed is about 50 thousand people, according to German intelligence. And this is not propaganda from one side of the conflict, but a statement of a bystander who is watching the tragedy.
War, default and its aftermath will lead to significant changes in Ukrainian society.
1. The effect of the war will be a mass death of single pensioners and other elderly people who remain at least without essential medication, or in worst case – without food. Already the minimum wage of able-bodied citizen of Ukraine is (at the rate of 25 UAH. / US $.) about 48 dollars. A simple Ukrainian lives on $ 1.6 per day. The fate of pensioners and wretched: the minimum pension does not hold up to $ 40.
2. Any war causes huge losses among the male population in terms of crippled and killed. To the loss can be added not only to the dead and wounded, but also the refugees from the war in neighboring countries who had previously left for work and decided to not come back. Those who went to Russia under the program of resettlement of compatriots. Another year of such a war – and the children of those who survive this hell will be able to read in the history books about the next wave of Ukrainians’ colonization of Siberia and the Far East.
3. The society will be transformed beyond recognition.
There will be less representatives of the bourgeoisie, such as hipsters, punks, goths and other representatives of various subcultures. In order to maintain their standards of living and style they need money, and they will not have it. The number of lumpen-proletariat and peasants will increase sharply: the streets will be filled with homeless persons and beggars. The process of internal migration will intensify. Urban population will temporarily return to the villages, where the chances of finding food will be bigger.
With the increased number of orphans and the destruction of the educational system, the number of homeless children in the streets will increase significantly, as street crime will as indicator of it.
Crimes will predominantly be commited against property and life / health. There will be a drastic increase of domestic crimes with firearms, which will be used as decisive arguments in exacerbated interpersonal relationships in the process of alcoholism among returnees from “ATO”.
The number of neurotics and other persons with mental disorders who are left to themselves will increase critically.
4. It will be especially bad for women. They have traditionally complained about the lack of normal men, and by the end of the war there will be even less. Firstly, many will die, will leave and not come back or, at best, will move to other regions. Secondly, there will be an increase of amputees and victims of post-traumatic syndromes. Finding a normal guy would be incredibly difficult, and the competition will be enormous. Due to lack of money, even one rose will be perceived as a gift, and going to a dilapidated restaurant will be an extremely exciting and memorable event, which will be bragged about to her friends.
5. The age structure of society will change.
A lot of people will die at retirement age. Working pensioners will become a rarity – they will be replaced by the younger. I believe that the greatest losses will be waiting for the 60+ generation, as they are the most unprotected.
Worse it will be for men aged 18-50. They are the most promising representatives of “cannon fodder” for the Ukrainian army. Age category of 50-60 years are more likely to survive without significant losses – they maintain performance and the military is not interested in them. They have the knowledge and skills that help to somehow survive troubled times.
Thus, the greatest damage will be inflicted on pensioners and able-bodied men in the prime of their lives, and the country is awaiting a severe shortage of personnel.
6. The creative class (advertisers, creators, publicists, journalists) will be harmed. There will be less money, so the demand for their labor will drop. Parts will have to change the occupation or place of residence.
Significantly reduced will be the number of representatives of the Ukrainian bourgeoisie, parts will leave Ukraine, parts will be ruined, and some lose their lives for their past sins and crimes.
The most unenviable fate of a peasantry – it suffers the strongest of all, as it is forced to fight in the interests of the Ukrainian bourgeoisie, and as a result will for decades be wallowing in misery and ruin. But the value of workers and professional technicians will increase by several times, because they will bear the burden of the restoration of damaged infrastructure.
7. Changes will occur in the mass consciousness that defensively will generate “fake” memories of his role in the Civil War. Creating memories – a way to protect the mind and maintain the ability to integrate into a changed society.
Society, and such a disparate one, will even more atomize: burst social connections between people of different beliefs and ideologies, will terminate the relationship between the political opponents.
Distinction between people of different regions will sharpen. Already, residents of Bessarabia and Galicia abandon their Ukrainian identity, which is manifested in the reluctance to fight on the Eastern Front, claiming that it is far and alien. The authority of Kyiv as the capital falls below zero.
8. The society will undergo denazification, and a number of social, political and economic rights of certain categories (the bourgeoisie, the creative class, security forces) will be significantly limited. With the adoption of the lustration laws, the current Ukrainian authorities increase the framework of what is permitted for those who will replace them. Turning the weapon of discrimination against his creators is only a matter of time.
9. The masses will be prompted to economical-social and political-cultural knowledge. Intellectual recovery of the masses is only possible if the state structure, which will replace the Ukraine, engages it purposefully. Otherwise the TV, from which 80% of the population get their information, will be replaced by another TV, but critical thinking skills in the country’s inhabitants will not develop. Instead, citizens will be re-propagandized.
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Economic recovery will take decades, and the times of mindless consumerism and mass departures abroad on holiday can only be dreamt about.
In any case, what happened to the people of Ukraine will become a disaster and the death of the target project in which they existed during the previous 23 years of independence. For the rest of the inhabitants of Eurasia Ukrainian tragedy has become (and continues to be) an example of the collapse of the state and a tragedy, which will heal many generations.
All Glory to Ukraine!
They have the world they hand-crafted.
No, Mats, the US and their dim-witted propagandized Nazis created it. The mass of the people are innocent and really have resisted quite a bit. Don’t you remember how the first tanks sent into Novorossiya refused to fire and surrendered to the people, or turned back when they saw they had been lied to?
The criminal US govt has killed millions, but most Americans sense only dimly that something has gone wrong. The TV anesthetizes them. Those who still persist in reading find little of information and are bewildered, not evil.
It is terribly important to find a way to defeat those who are truly responsible.
Defeating those responsible is a tall task. The class running the Outlaw Empire face no opposition and only a very small percentage of the populous really understands what’s happening, how and why.
what we have to do is change the system…get the laws and courts out of that hands of government. That’s the number one most important thing. to create a new system that gives equal power to a new sector..the people sector….public (gov) private (finance) and people (culture) and the justice system is in the people sector…law guild.
Would a 95% tax on income, say above $100,000/year, and a 95% inheritance tax solve the problem?
If you go for a 90% income tax, TPTB will switch to a redefined income or other ways of denying that they received any income. A Capital Gains tax becomes NECESSARY in a rising real estate market or you have to pay taxes every time the supposed value of your house increases.
Similarly, an inheritance tax is legitimately an unfair burden on SOME people and has to be adjusted. And everyone with a lawyer will find a way to take advantage.
Most of the crap in our current tax system was in response to the stupidities of a previous generation of legislators and to real-world problems created by them.
Your theory is great. Practice becomes the kind of mess we have now.
Thanks for your reply.
Of course the question was theoretical only and in a new system design.
I had also meant to include in the original post not only a 95% Inheritance tax rate but an absolute inter-generation transfer amount of, say $1M (all assets to be sold and the inheritance via cash to nullify “loopholes”).
You say:
“Similarly, an inheritance tax is legitimately an unfair burden on SOME people and has to be adjusted.”
Example(s) please?
Inter-generational transfer does seem (to me) to be a major “oligarchical object” creation problem.
I think a system with a goods and services tax (GST) of about 30% and a similarly large capital gains tax (CGT) would work well.
The CGT would be structured in such a way that you only pay tax when selling an asset. And only on the dollar amount the asset had increased in value due to asset inflation, during the time the asset had been held by the seller. The idea would be to discourage speculation and encourage value creation.
The only other time anyone would pay tax would be whe. They spent money. The GST would apply to everything except education and healthcare. It would be the same rate regardless of income or size of purchase.
I believe this would be an efficient and fair form of taxation. It would encourage innovation, entrepreneurship and saving. Or at least bring those objectives back into reach of ordinary people.
Thanks for your reply Track7.
Innovation motivated by, more than very modest, wealth creation for the individual, in my opinion, is a problem root cause. We really would all be better off living in caves without the damn “trickle down” effect.
If an individual wants > $1M, a just NWO would have them locked away (or prefereably shot). The last time I looked 35,000 children die of starvation daily. Now that should be plenty of motivation – design a system to save the 35,000 – no?
That ain’t gonna happen, Ann. Dream on. I’m afraid the only thing that will heel the monster is the colapse of the dollar, the market, and capitalism
A relatively high GST works on an island. In Europe people hop across to the next country for a packet of smokes. They’d just do their regular shopping in the next country with the lower tax rate (therefore cheaper goods). How do they tax internet purchases?
Goods taxes tend to tax 100% of a poor person’s income, because they need to spend it all. Would you tax their rent? what about the mortgage payments of the person well off enough to buy a house?
It’s also inflationary, the moment you apply it to other than consumables. On assets, if the person re-sells it he’ll want at least his money back, that is 130% of what he paid for it.
I’m not against inheritance. If you worked hard and accumulated a lot of assets, assuming you paid the right taxes along the way, why should the government suddenly take half of it just because you die? oligarchy is not produced by inheriting wealth from your parents. It is produced by stealing and robbing and cheating to get what you have.
Tax system has to be straight, ie not full of loopholes for rich people or companies to get out through.
“oligarchy is not produced by inheriting wealth from your parents. “
are you sure about that?
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/14/worlds-super-wealthy-to-transfer-16-trillion-in-inheritance-over-next-30-years
Oh dear. Did you read the headline in that link? worlds super wealth to transfer…..
They are oligarchs already. The olilgarchy already exists.
I said oligarchy is NOT PRODUCED by inheriting…. how many people turn into oligarchs by inheriting a suburban house, small shack in the woods, 2 cars and a boat on a trailer? Those are the kind of people hit by inheritance taxes.
The super rich in the article often “own” very little. It is all in trusts and multi-layered companies and mysterious tax avoidance schemes. Their kid doesn’t inherit the $8 million mansion — he just gets the right to live in it, which is owned by some company in Cyprus or Vanuatu.
“They are oligarchs already. The olilgarchy already exists.”
Well, how did they get there?
The oligarchy can be dismantled – but only if we make that happen. Inheritance is a main component of the oligarchy. There is no (good) reason why a child should benefit (at the expense of another child anywhere on earth) through the unfettered gathering of wealth (at the expense of others) from parents.
Again:
any intergenerational transfer of wealth of > $1M is a sin against humanity
any income > $100,000 year is a sin against humanity
close the other loopholes (inc CGT) & stop the trickle down nonsense.
http://inequality.org/selfmade-myth-hallucinating-rich/
“Each and every year Forbes celebrates the billionaires who populate this list as paragons of entrepreneurial get-up-and-go. The latest top 400, Forbes pronounced last week, “instills confidence that the American dream is still very much alive.”
Of America’s current 400 richest, gushes Forbes, 70 percent “made their fortunes entirely from scratch.”
Forbes made the same observation last year, too, and most news outlets took that claim at face value. Researchers at United for a Fair Economy, a Boston-based group, did not. UFE analysts stepped back and took the time to investigate the actual backgrounds of last year’s Forbes 400. They released their findings last week, on the same day Forbes released its new 2012 top 400 list.
Most of our super rich were born on third base and think they hit a triple.
The basic conclusion from these findings: Forbes is spinning “a misleading tale of what it takes to become wealthy in America.” Most of the Forbes 400 have benefited from a level of privilege unknown to the vast majority of Americans.
In effect, as commentator Jim Hightower has aptly been noting for years, most of our super rich were born on third base and think they hit a triple.
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/24/death_of_meritocracy_how_inheritance_is_poisoning_the_american_economy/
“A 2011 study by Edward Wolff and Maury Gittleman found that the wealthiest 1 percent of families had inherited an average of $2.7 million from their parents. This was 447 times more money than the least wealthy group of people — those with wealth less than $25K — had inherited. In between the wealthiest and least wealthy groups, inheritance levels ran in exactly the direction you would expect: the wealthier a group of people was, the more they had inherited.
As outrageously lopsided as these inheritance disparities seem, they only reflect half of the inheritance problem. The funny thing about piles of wealth is that they deliver to their owners passive, unearned streams of income variously called rents, dividends, profits, capital gains, interest and so on. Those who get big inheritances can park those inheritances in investment accounts that just get bigger and bigger without them having to lift a finger. As a result, the gaping inheritance disparity actually grows even more gaping each year after the inheritances have been received.”
Are you serious? There are numerous studies that support exactly the opposite of what you delusionally state. You seem incapable of seeing what is painfully obvious. Therefore I would be wasting energy by pointing you in the direction of those studies. If you are blind to the big picture, asking that you read woulb be a stretch on my part. How large is the trust fund left for you?
There are 3 or 4 different ideas above, so which one are you referring to?
Not wanting to post information., on the grounds that we would not look at it anyway,. if just making excuses for not having any information. You just want to sound smart without having to prove it.
That is not how this blog works. If you have relevant data, you produce the link.
If you can’t produce, you are a troll and will be shown the door. I’m giving you one last chance.
Penelope,
What country do you come from? I come from the US. I won’t try to put my finger on the first date when this country started down the road to perdition, but I will say that there has not been a day in all of my 50+ years when I could truthfully say I was a free man. But those we dutifully tug our forelocks to have been like good old Jakob Marley, forging a long and heavy chain of sins and abuses as far as the eye can see. The chickens come home to roost, and dare I say, they will sooner than any want to admit. Before the year is out. Before the year is out. And do you know what? No one is prepared.
Listening to the BBC last night there was a chilling story about a school in Mariupol, under Orcrainian control, where the first lesson of the days for the children is the ‘Patriotism’ class which was dominated by insanely vicious Russophobia. The perfect fascist state. Made in the USA.
There are also Russian pensioners in the rest of Ukraine. The Russians don’t all live in Donbass and Crimea, some of them are in Kiev, for example. Many of these pensioners are alone because their chidren and grandchildren are in US and Canada (funny that, why not in Russia).
Interesting for our french speaking readers:
La manif pour saluer Nemtsov : “Nostradamus” ou “Abracadabra” ?
«A t-shirt with quality four-color print and the words in the Ukrainian language. March on March 1st. The murder took place almost at midnight on February 28. A little more then 24 hours before this photo. That is, someone choking on tears, had to on February 28 run to order a batch of these t-shirts, and prudently – a batch in the Ukrainian language. He had to do a layout, divided by colors, to make the t-shirt, pick it up from the shop and organize the distribution to the right people – you will not hand out such an expensive item to random people. Ukrainian for Ukrainians, Russian for non-Ukrainians. At the same time to place an order for standard pictures of the deceased, to make a large number of the same posters. While some of the posters (again typographic quality) was created on the basis of slogans suggested on the evening of February 28 (i.e., a half a day before the March), suggested by Khodorkovsky’s “Open Russia” on Twitter: “No Words”, “I am not afraid”, “Propaganda Kills”, and, most catchy “Fight”, which is a play off Nemtsov’s first name “Boris”, with one extra letter at the end.
»At 22:53 on February 28 the masses got their slogans to use at the March, and after 12 hours (of which 8 are at night) the March is provided with a huge number of posters (with handles already taped to the canvas) with those same slogans. Actually, yesterday’s march was just full of such details. The wonders of operations and instant reaction. As if they knew. I wonder, were these t-shirts and all these posters ordered exactly on February 28 or before? So to speak, during his lifetime?”
http://www.dedefensa.org/article-la_manif_pour_saluer_nemtsov_nostradamus_ou_abracadabra__03_03_2015.html
Hey, what’s the point of doing a false flag if one doesn’t prepare the post false flag actions, as well. ;D
Nice find.
and have 30 or 40 people know a killing was planned? and trust them to not talk? Get real guys, please. And then what if the shooter misses?
These guys were preparing for a march of some kind already, they’d have the materials. Only need to change some wording. In fact they’d have the materials ready to do any instant protest if the occasion arose. They keep signs and flags like other people keep umbrellas. Does having an umbrella in the first 10 minutes of rain imply some conspiracy?
This is like “it takes 6 months training to use a Buk”. C’mon…..
1: if you have the photos, as the organisers already did, it takes 10 minutes on a computer to add SLOGANS.
2: any instant-print place will blow up the image to poster size
3: then print them off 5 a minute with a colour photocopier
4: the sign boards with handles they already had, the were planing a march, remember?
T-shirts take a little longer. The computer work is the same, the printing maybe 1 a minute. Or 2 minutes to do one.
Passing messages or actual images can be done on the internet, how long dos that take?
Odessa suspect Goncharenko got arrested, Here is video of him being released from the holding cell. Observe plastic bag containing big bundle of new T shirts. Observe smaller plastic bag containing LOTS of money. He was probably selling T shirts. Others probably did also. they could have shared the image via internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1A3kYLewA0
More of pure psychopathic fascism of EU…
This time from a Chinese point of view.
This research makes me want to read the Chinese journalists.
Lithuania’s President Is a Hysterical Russophobe
The hysterics of Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaitė
Recent revelations in Lithuanian journalist Ruta Yanutene’s unauthorized investigative biography (entitled “Red Dalia” in English) of Dalia Grybauskaitė have provided substantive evidence about her relentless pursuit of power since her Komsomol days. Is her lust for power psychopathic? In order to silence her critics, President Grybauskaitė now wants the Lithuanian Parliament to pass a law to criminalize media that spread “hostile propaganda and disinformation”. In effect, all anti-Dalia public opinions will henceforth be considered to be unpatriotic and will be subject to criminal prosecution. Lithuania may be too small for fulfilling the insatiable ambition of Dalia Grybauskaitė; she might already be conniving to become the next Secretary-General of the anachronistic NATO, or even the next President of the European Union.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/02/4040
cheers…
This time from a Chinese point of view.
This research makes me want to read the
Chinese journalists.
Ditto. It’s a great piece – and I really liked his punchy, no-nonsense style.
Lithuania is the filthy Nazi entity that, a few years ago, arrested a Jewish woman, very elderly, for murder, for having killed Lithuanian fascist allies of the Nazis when a Soviet partisan during WW2.
Brotfrieden III.
If only they had learned the lessons from Brotfrieden I and II.
Odnanko: Well you certainly add several levels to the meaning of the word “defeatism”. What is missing in your prediction is the role of leadership in human affairs . I question this having watched the leaders of the DPR and LPR. Also in my life I know that the dedication of a few hundred people to the integrity of the American anti Vietnam war movement as a united front independent of Democratic Party politics played a significant role in marshalling the opposition to that war and in the subsequent decision of the ruling class to end that war—maybe not key, maybe not crucial but enough to be significant. Almost like the moment in which a solution ,as drop by drop of reagent is added, suddenly clears. People matter, consciousness matters, leadership matters, principles matter.
Dear The Saker,
Thanks Alexander for the translation. Sadly unless something changes rapidly this will truly be the fate for the people of Ukraine :(.
Rgds,
Veritas
well, at least they don’t have a fullbore rampaging out of control corporofascist police state in their future.
(sarc)
zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-03/caught-tape-lapd-guns-down-homeless-man-broad-daylight
Susanne Posel (OOC) : The Associated Press has released an investigative report into Taser, the corporation newly given contracts with police departments all across the nation for the purchase of body cameras, has revealed their dubious ties to certain chiefs of police.
The corporation announced in 2014 that “orders for body cameras [has] soared to $24.6 million from October to December” which represents a 5-fold increase in profits from 2013.
http://nsnbc.me/2015/03/04/usa-taser-bribes-police-chiefs-for-body-camera-contracts/
I am sorry to have to say this, but this is the net result of Yankee “democracy, liberty and freedom”. Ukraine by itself could never have “achieve” this hell.
Until the Cancer known as the USA is terminated, either via internal self-destruction (won’t happen fast enough) or via WW3, no one and no place on this planet will be safe. There will be no peace and freedom until this Cancer is fully eradicated, once and for all times.
I think for people who are awake, there will be moments of opportunity…windows, where change can happen…
Also, its possible a great man or woman could be elected. Not likely, but possible.
Also, I read yesterday that Ron Paul is predicting secession – not sure spelling – of seperate states leaving, with referendums, and becoming disobedient to the feds .
But we must change the justice system. Otherwise it will be the same again. It must be moved out of the government’s control into people’s control
I admire your tenacity and courage for hope!
But the reality is that the world is not saved by individuals, Hollywood movies notwithstanding. The world is only saved when the Sheeple wakes up and does SOMETHING significant. Unfortunately, it ain’t gonna happen in time. The Sheeple, as always, will only wake up when it’s too late.
Ann, There was a civil war over the question of whether a state had the right to succede from the union so don’t hold your breath plus Ron Paul is really not pro mass action—certainly not working class mass action– God Forbid that it be union run mass action!
Thanks for the translation Alexander.
I don’t fully agree. Ukrainians have shown significant resistance to the war. Draft-dodgers are the norm, and are not villified. If anything, they have been aided and helped to avoid the war.
People have questioned the junta narrative, driving them to extreme measures to silence them. There is no guarantee the junta itself is safe.
You leave out leadership in the east. You leave out the information motherlode that is the net : Ukrainians are far better informed about the real reasons for what’s happened. Army privates express their anger – not with the supposed ‘sub-humans’ in the East, but with the lying junta.
The Nazi battalions are run obviously by racketeers, making it more difficult to justify arming the UAF – assuming it won’t fragment. It may see more turn to the East for leadership, and resolve into a pan- regional army, but one aimed at ridding the country of the corrupt oligarchy that orchestrated its destruction.
People are much more economically-literate. They no longer buy the EU narrative of prosperity. They know about Greece – and they’re in even worse shape .
It’s so bad, it may very well coalesce into something the oligarchy fears most: a social-democrat revolution. A real one, which will nationalise/federalise assets. And no IMF ‘loans’, but a demand to the UN that the stolen gold be returned to the Ukraine and the junta brought to justice.
In extremis, come once-imagined solutions.
Re lustrations &c it strikes me that the most important thing to do now is create a neo Wiesenthal Centre documenting the perpetratirors and facilitators of all the neocon R2P legacy, from Clintons, Albright, Bliar, PHL, Red Dalia to Thaci, Sarkozy, Kerry, Feith, Perle, Netanyahoo, Carla Ponte, Ashdown, Cherie BlIar etc etc and drag their sorry arses off to ICC. (Oops, I forgot, Thaci is squeaky clean)
The Russian “White Book on violations of human rights in Ukraine” is at least a start. Part of the text can be read here (scroll down a little)
http://rusembindia.com/home/actual-topics/104-actualnews/7154-white-book-on-violations-of-human-rights.
Other articles: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20141124/1015091106.html
http://rt.com/politics/211443-ukraine-russia-white-book/
I agree with the comments that the article is overly pessimistic, especially in regard to resistance in the east. If they can win at war what could they do at peace. This may be an object lesson to the world as a whole, an inspiration for us all.
I’ve predicted Ukraine will devolve and cease to exist. Thus, the terrible outcome of an IMF SAP won’t be forthcoming thankfully. Perhaps a core region encompassing Kiev will remain named Ukraine, but upon what will be the basis of its political-economy? The current selling-off of Ukrainian assets will be reversed as the people taker back what is theirs–or will we see Concentration Farms operated by Monsanto and Con-Agra, which will certainly boost their image and make them more endearing. Soon there will arise a Rage not yet seen–vicious blowback on the coup masters and minions by people refusing to be raped so they can continue to live in comfort–an ISIS of a different sort.
More people than ever understand the Outlaw Empire must be brought to justice. When exactly locals will form their own posses and attempt to make arrests is unknown, but the beginnings have begun, particularly in Venezuela and Iraq.
The Israelis sure love their “Gazas”.
And their Purim- blood lust & genocide.
They are slavering for a Second Purim in Iran, as Nutty-yahoo hinted during his deranged hate-rant while haranguing his slaves in the US Congress. 75,000 were, allegedly, slaughtered by the Jews last time, equivalent to several million today.
This dismal picture is what happens in any low-income country once the IMF robbers move in. The impoverishment is deliberate and so are the resulting deaths
In this case it is made worse by the large number of missing or crippled men, and the destruction of so much housing and infrastructure. Also most countries don’t come with a ready-made half-controlled force of repression. In Ukraine that force may end up being in charge.
But, the whole regional autonomy idea is going to fail, and with it the whole EUSA project.
The foreign robbers want the industry shut down and sold to them for a dollar. The Donbass, being financially autonomous, won’t be part of this. Other areas that also don’t want to lose their industries ( read JOBS TO EARN FOOD MONEY) will also demand to be autonomous. Either they get it, or Civil War 2.0. Even areas with not much industry will not want to pay double tax and get 1/4 pensions with 200% inflations. That is Maidan 3.0 or 4.0.
Likeliest is, as they can’t “do reforms” while fighting, so won’t get more money, they’ll keep fighting in order to defeat Donbass so they can present a united one-piece country for the vampires to carve up. The more war they do, the closer they come to the whole house o cards collapsing, so Ukraine can drag itself out of the mud and actually rebuild. Donbass will teach them how.
The hate will go off Russia and Russians, and go against the government oligarchs and the terroriser enforcers; people will be united again by having been victims of the same treason..
I think this is not a normal war, because it is against Russia. I mean everything is the same as every war but the motives are not. As Saker said in the previous post, the west acts irrationally with Russia and we dont understand why. I think that they cant understand Russia, its an alien concept to them. After all there is no intelligent racist. Or it’s an ego thing, it could be an ego thing.
Anyway my point is, this is a war brother against brother. Some rabbi who is Russian born apparently said some of the following stuff. So I read this stuff, and dont know if its true or made up but it doesnt matter as its a good guideline and seems to be happening anyway.
“Slavs, and amongst them Russians are the most unconquerable peoples in the world. Unconquerable because of their psychological and mental abilities which are embedded in them by previous generations. And theyr genes are unchangeable. You can destroy a Slav but can’t conquer him. Here is why this seed should be liquidated or at least significantly reduced in numbers.”
“Our methods of fighting will not be military, but ideological and economic…”
And so it goes on to explain how they will use the old divide and conquer method, slicing the territories of Slavs and making them fight among each other – and what are we seeing today? They figured they cant do it themselves so its best if we do it for them.
Also other methods such as corrupting the elite and then replacing theyr elites with ours, halving our universities and bringing their people as proffesors, giving us theyr version of history, ridding us of the right for development, control mass media, destroying nationalist movements, corrupt the youth, destroy the family, sow fear and instability for various reasons(create bad society with despair, prevent us from seeing who is the real masters by using chaos), making us scared of being labeled anti semite, control all money because it is everything, it means power and it controls everything. Also control all capital . Unfortunately this is EXCATLY the reality in Ukraine and Serbia. Thankfully Lukashenko and Putin said “net”.
Maybe a conspiracy theory, or maybe a reality?
Reality.
Just take a close look at Ukraine. They openly brought in foreigners, all with US study and work backgrounds, to dismantle the economy.
Google Ukraine universities, then check their websites, check the work history of the top professors. Some foreign experience is always good, for anyone, to give them a broader view. But when it’s all US, US, US…..
Excatly :(
We need to unite and forget the differences which are so unimportant anyway.
The people cant do it because of the chaos, so we need a strong leader to do it. The thing is our elites work with foreigners to advance their own interests.
“…As Saker said in the previous post, the west acts irrationally with Russia and we dont understand why…..”
It is very simple. The neo-conservatives in DC want total hegemony with the U.S. being the sole power in this world. Russia and China are a threat to that. Thus Russia must be destroyed.
This article is consistent with the endgame proposed for the US in the latest Club Orlov article titled “Financial collapse leads to war”
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/financial-collapse-leads-to-war.html
The future of Ukraine mirrors the final future of the US system in most ways:
(1) Hyperactive militarism that sucks up all the resources;
(2) Control of the economy by financial oligarchy of about 50 people that control 80% of the Ukraine GDP that chooses to destroy the lives of the other 99.99999%of the population;
(3) An oppressive security apparatus that labels all dissent as terrorism leading ultimately to a prison-industrial complex;
(4) Commercial collapse due to lack of goods following hyperinflation subsequent collapse of the agricultural and industrial sectors which comprises 25% and 30% of the economy, respectively. The 55% service sector will of course fail first;
(5) Ensuing economic collapse will lead to the oblasts breaking away from the central government much like Yugoslavia did due to an economic collapse and subsequent wars caused by the World Bank shock therapy;
(6) Attempts by various oligarchs to control regions using their private armies as repressive gangs. The great historian Arnold Toynbee referred to this stage of de-civilization as control by “War Bands”;
(7) The common people will have little choice but flee to the EU or Russia or fight as “maquisards” like the French resistance did against the Vichy.
Ultimately, the economic consequences to Western Europe will lead to NATO intervention in Western Ukraine as well as by Russian forces into the LPR and DNR. The Western corporate states will buy up or confiscate the land, ports, and underground resources to feed their profits. There is a huge likelihood that the Ukraine economic consequences will result in a depression across Western Europe and the wholesale overthrowing of most governments by the mobs or the ballot box.
Such an outcome will further isolate the US and lead to the same fate for the US and its captive EU states. The US would, however, have accomplished its goal of preventing the economic union of the EU and the EEU. The US corporate state may even be able to pick the bones of the EU and buy time before its ultimate demise.
OT russian song – most amazing singer I’ve ever seen…about 30 years old now
Pelagya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmffXf1G_co&list=RD-zdgmuBhANw&feature=player_detailpage
Ukraine, like Yugoslavia, is demonstrating how easy it to create a civil war using Western economic tools of mass economic destruction. For a great analysis see Dr. Bob Allen’s analysis “Why Kosovo? The Anatomy of a Needless War”
http://www.policyalternatives.ca/
It is important to note that most of the IMF arranged loans (approximately 40 billion over four years) for Ukraine will be consumed in paying off the Western banks, and after the economic collapse, allow the buying up of assets at fire sale prices. On top of this are loans to Russian banks and the Russian ($3B) and Chinese ($6.5B) sovereign loans. The rest will be used for the Ukraine security state and the military offensive against the NAF anti-Junta federalists.
An analysis of how the Ukraine collapse will play out from the perspective of the Ukrainian people is provided in:
http://www.sovereignman.com/podcast/podcast-014-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori-14818/
They got what the voted for, while the Americans may have exacerbated and took advantage of the situation it still need the wholesale involvement of the Ukrainian people, so do not feel sympathy for their plight, rejoice for their new found freedom and democracy!
As an EU citizen who’s tax money helped buy their freedom I will sleep in my warm bed tonight with a smile on my face knowing I helped them find their dream.