“…our jobs have been taken away they’ve gone to Mexico they’ve gone to so many other countries. It’s a one lane highway where they get the jobs they get the jobs they get the moneyand we get the drugs the unemployment and it’going to change believe me it.
And that goes for all countries when you look at China when you look at every country every trade dealwe have is horrible and we should be ashamed of the people that let thost deals happen they are defective and they knew they were defective and they were done for a reason and believe me they will be unwound so fast and we will have trade we will have great trade and it’ll be free trade but it’ll be fair trade and it’ll be real”
What’s the story here.
Charge China a 45% Tariff so that imports cease and the new US Manufacturers charge US citizens 45% more for their widgets.
The real question is – who would get the biggest slice of that pie
An 800 billion dollar trade deficit can’t be sustained forever. It’s called a slow bleed, and things that bleed too much become weak and eventually die.
I find it interesting how people with ideological restraints can blithely reclassify the notions of ‘working’ and ‘jobs’ with ‘slavery’. Let us not bring back jobs they argue because the business people just won’t pay enough….This defeatist attitude somehow seems to be part and parcel of the state run apologists arsenal of hollow arguments. On its face the argument is absurd. If company’s are forced to manufacture domestically for domestically sold goods they will all be competing for a dwindling work force, this won’t have downward pressure on wages but upward pressure. Chinese sold goods can be manufactured there and within the restrictions of the Chinese framework. Companies will simply adapt to each region as required.
The communists yearn for the glory days of no poverty, where men are babysat by the state, and the hard core socialist left think lowering taxes on business owners, such as myself, is somehow wrong headed. The real fascination for me is how these people have been duped into a mindset of reliance upon a coercive system of taxation that is unconstitutional and fundamentally evil.
Forced communal sharing is not a legitimate system of freedom, it is a kleptocratic system of arbitrary rules which direct society based upon the ruling elites values, all paid for by the sweat and blood of the working masses. The income tax was enacted as a war tax, and was apparently meant to be withdrawn once normality ensued, though not surprisingly this never happened.
Society is much better off when the working man/woman is allowed to keep more of his/her money, and social safety nets are community/town based where local charities, churches, and concerned citizens groups work in the community to build self reliance. This top down ghetto state welfare system is inhumane and leads only to generational dependence.
Trumps idea to impose tariffs is only a direct reaction to Chinese tariffs, which no one at all mentions. The tariffs role is to pressure companies to bring manufacturing back rather than exploit cheap overseas labor and flood the US market with cheap foreign goods. Tariffs can be very effective at balancing imbalances, but it requires a very careful touch to strike the right balance and not halt trade altogether. I think Trump would clearly recognize this since he intuitively understands money flows so well.
“FORCED [emphasis added] communal sharing is not a legitimate system of freedom, it is a kleptocratic system of arbitrary rules which direct[s] society based upon the ruling elites values, all paid for by the sweat and blood of the working masses.”
“On its face the argument is absurd. If company’s are forced to manufacture domestically for domestically sold goods they will all be competing for a dwindling work force, this won’t have downward pressure on wages but upward pressure.”
“Today, with union membership at around 11.1 percent, the report notes, “The share of income going to the top 10 percent…hit 47.2 percent in 2014 — only slightly lower than 47.8 percent in 2012, the highest it has been since 1917 (the earliest year data are available).”
The Economic Policy Institute has also documented the disparity in wage growth between the top 0.1% and the bottom 90%. The numbers are staggering: Since 1979, those in the top 0.1% have seen wage growth of 324.4%, versus a meager 16.7% growth for those in the bottom 90%.
Also during this period, the middle class has experienced a sharp decline, one that is linked to the decline in union membership.
“From 1979 to 2012, union membership slid by more than one half, from 24 percent of all workers to 11 percent,” writes Cole Stangler of the International Business Times. “Over that same time, the size of the middle class shrank by more than 10 percentage points, to 45 percent of the population.”
Those who shape government policy understand these facts all too well, and they are eager to perpetuate the status quo they have worked so hard to ingrain, one that keeps workers powerless, disorganized, and economically insecure.
They understand, for example, the point Tali Kristal makes in a 2013 paper published in the American Sociological Review, in which she argues that corporate profits have soared not merely, as some assert, because of productivity-increasing computerization and technological advances.
There is another crucial factor at play: Namely, the “disempowerment of workers when bargaining with employers.”
This declining bargaining power, combined with “falling rates of unionization,” allowed large corporations to “grab the lion’s share of the fruits of economic growth.”
All the while, as Kristal documents, labor’s share of the pie has continued to shrink in the decades since 1979 — and inequality, along with corporate profits, have surged.
“Union decline has not only increased wage disparities among workers; it has also allowed U.S. capitalists to grab a growing slice of economic gains at the expense of all of their employees,” Kristal concludes. “Employers were able to do this, not because of the inexorable impact of abstract market forces or impersonal technologies, but because they have been able to deploy new technologies in ways that spurred the decline of unions an”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36376966 “Apple and Samsung supplier Foxconn has reportedly replaced 60,000 factory workers with robots.
One factory has “reduced employee strength from 110,000 to 50,000 thanks to the introduction of robots”,”
Andy you miraculously think the incantation of continuing US Union decimation and robot introduction will magically put upward pressure on US Labour rates?
“But the real Foxconn story is unfolding elsewhere. The Taiwan-based firm is rapidly expanding from China’s industrialized coast into its vast interior, establishing new production facilities in impoverished provinces such as Henan, Hubei, and Sichuan, far from the labor metropolis of Shenzhen, a dangerous Detroit in the making. Major expansion is also underway in Brazil, India, Mexico, Malaysia, and central Europe, notwithstanding the strong presence of unions in some of those locations. In a dramatic inversion, the company announced late last year that it would soon start manufacturing in the United States itself. Energy costs, access to markets, public relations, and wage stagnation in middle-income labor markets are all part of the equation. The geography of expansion also reflects a global leveling: wages in America’s “right-to-work” states, the European periphery, and the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) countries are increasingly entering a similar range.“
So, even without Trump having lifted a Tariff finger Foxconn already know the lack of US worker bargaining power will let them offer whatever rate they choose to pay across the globe.
If Trump imagines he can have the US beat Global Capitalism with Tariff implenetation then, as Foxconn exemplify, he has already lost.
But since the man is not stupid then this is not a part of his plan at all and, as I previously stated:
The Ameican people are being hoodwinked by another Capitalist Scumbag – Globalist or Nationalist makes little difference.
Your arguments, scattered as they are among quotes with random numbers and figures misses the point. More and more tasks of repetition will be roboticized, this is a good thing for human beings since we are not machines. The workforce must as a result upgrade itself, this will move more people into skilled trades, entrepreneurship, specialized fields such as robotic services, machine design and so on.
Regardless of the above, certain types of jobs will always need human hands, forcing companies to produce domestically in order to sell domestically removes the threat and leverage of offshoring. Simply because more and more manufacturing is roboticized in no way means the benefits of local production are removed, they simply change. An entirely new field of robotics servicing will arise – machinists, technicians, designers, fabricators, parts supply, and so on.
More companies producing domestically will indeed push wages up over time, it will also increase employment, and boost small business growth as ancillary industries will arise to supply the larger corporations. Feeder industries that produce raw materials will also grow as domestic production requires raw materials, these are traditionally well paying jobs.
As concerns unions, and I know plenty about unions; most have become bloated bureaucratic institutions with the wonderful sounding slogan of ‘workers rights’, all the while providing no assurance of quality and efficiency. Unions have been unaccountable for quality and workmanship yet they seek benefits commensurate with a job well done. Now this assessment is country specific, a few countries have very good unions, however in North America unions have strangulated themselves into oblivion simply due to greed, unrealistic demands and poor results.
Does anyone actually expect a company to set aside $20,000 to $50,000 dollars every year, for every employee that ever worked for an extended period of time, for the rest of that employees life? Who came up with this idea? As the roll of past employees grows the weight of expenditures on the company become so onerous as to destroy the company altogether, or impelling it to grow ever bigger, forcing marketplace consolidation in a race to grow revenues.
If the government took their hand out of the workers pocket, and if educational institutions taught people how to save and invest their money, rather than how to become factory workers, than the issue of survival after work life would be a non issue.
The arguments you Mr. Anonymous provide are specious, they are simply manifestations of ideological rhetoric with no real world application. Your lack of familiarity with the topic is obvious, you much rather be angry than find solutions. Good luck.
Sir James Goldsmith was a European billionaire who warned about the perils of ‘free market’ trade deals. He spent hundreds of millions supporting his cause.
“In 1994 Goldsmith founded and financed The Referendum Party in the United Kingdom, modeled upon the Majorité pour l’autre Europe, with the objective of seeking a referendum for its national withdrawal from the European Union, which would go on to stand candidates in the country’s General Election of 1997. As the mid-1990’s progressed Goldsmith involved himself in British politics, appearing with increasing regularity in the political press, and in domestic political televised debates, raising opposition to the nature of the European Union and what he perceived was mainstream media culpability in playing down its supranational ambitions, and pouring scorn on a Westminster parliamentary political order that he stated had failed the nation and was now willfully betraying its governmental sovereignty” – Wikipedia
“In the world as a whole, there are still 3.1 billion people living in the countryside. If intensive methods of agriculture were imposed universally and productivity per person were to reach the levels of Australia, then, as we have discussed, about 2 billion of these people will lose their livelihood. Rural communities throughout the world would be washed away as if by a great flood. Whole populations would be uprooted and swept into urban slums. As the affected nations become ungovernable and impoverished, so their people would be forced to seek refuge elsewhere. Mass migrations of displaced people would follow. Yet economists totally disregard these social and economic costs when they calculate the cost of food produced by intensive methods.
Modern society believes in intensive farming because modern culture is based on measuring and counting rather than on trying to understand long-term and more important consequences.” – Sir James Goldsmith
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I have old University friends approaching retirement (or retired) who still do not know what they want to do.
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Here’s a story i’m very familiar with during the 2008 Financial “crisis” in the UK. A large Corporation with billions in the bank announced bankruptcy. As a result their operations suffered a slight dip but quickly recovered. Soon after the announcement hundreds of “redundancies” were announced & with the cover of UK Insolvency legislation (the rescue culture, no less) many highly skilled Engineers and other production operatives were dismissed with zero redundancy. Within weeks many of these same positions were re-offered for employment and many of those made “redundant” (haha, that is funny) were re-employed on 50% of their previous wages and massively worse t&c’s.
Since the Financial “crisis”, er reapportionment of wealth, that reapportionment has continued apace. Employment (and vacancies) in the UK are at historic highs and average wages have increased but, more importantly, median wages have decreased. – most people earn less than they did 7 years ago. Many innovators (or those forced to do that) are particularly badly hit
So, in the UK we are now in a position where local production will suit the Global Capitalists just fine – local Tariffs would not change their production location plans. All Government’s since Thatcher have decimated Mass labour bargaining power (by violence, when required) and implemeted legislation to ensure a “rescue culture” that can be abused at whim. If Foxconn decide they wish a Factory in Sunderland tomorrow at pay rates similar to Guangdong everybody would welcome it (if only to survive austerity). The Global Capitalist’s have won – there will be no upward pressure on pay.
I love innovation – my work is 3D vision systems. Just because some of my friends do not have that same drive does not mean I wish them to end their days living in a cardboard box.
I guess you’ll be able to enjoy all that free time when the robots take over – have fun (but most will not).
The problem with your commentary is that it assumes that the response merely tries to change the rules within the framework of neoliberal economics and globalisation. The US could dump these conventions and develop an economy like Germany with its focus on technology acquisition, manipulation and management to drive national ‘competitiveness’ or China that acquires technology to underpins its competitiveness. You see that cost is only one factor that a consumer takes into account when buying a product. If you do not have a ‘competitive’ national economy it is then impossible to build industry, create jobs and balance trade. This means ‘out-competing’ other nations. This is the only chance the US has in terms of economic regeneration. If not the future is as you outlined and the Chinese will run economic rings around the US – one will rise and the other will collapse.
The “1000lb gorilla” issue that American propagandists here (including Donald Trump) obscure is American Dollar Imperialism.
Because the US Dollar is the world’s only reserve currency, America can devour enormous amounts of products and services from the rest of the world in exchange for the worthless toilet paper known as the US Dollar and treasury bills.
As Mike Whitney has explained, America’s Dollar Imperialist system is one where “Washington can control the world’s energy supplies and force the world to trade in dollars, it can spend well in excess of what it produces and not be held to account. It’s like having a credit card you never have to pay off.
That’s a racket Uncle Sam is prepared to defend with everything he’s got, even nukes.”
That is what underlies America’s economic relationship to the world–whether that be to China, Mexico, or whatever country the Americans are whining about.
Like most demagogues, Trump is playing the Nationalist card in order to divert attention from this parasitic American system–and predictably channel American anger onto foreign scapegoats to blame for domestic problems.
Trump’s hostility towards Muslims, Mexicans, Chinese, etc. are all part of a larger tactic: promote “2-minutes of hate” against foreign nations/groups in order to politically cover for American Empire and its capitalist system. Mussolini and Hitler would certainly approve of this political scam.
In this sense, Trump is merely the flip side of the coin of Clinton.
Whereas Clinton peddles anti-Russian hate, Trump stokes anti-Chinese, anti-Mexican, and anti-Islam hate! Such is the nature of America’s phony democracy and the bogus “choices” that it offers.
Americans complaining about “foreigners taking our jobs” is a pathetic self-pitying attempt to avoid facing the fact that America exploits foreign workers in order to reap greater profits for its corporations.
The Americans are fundamentally a nation of militant parasites with a sense of economic entitlement that no knows limits.
“Poor innocent America is being taken advantage by those evil-doing foreigners!” (Just ignore how America exploits foreign workers or bombs, invades, and loots their nations.)
This is essentially how Americans see their relationship to the world, whether that be in terms of economic or military issues.
The Americans combine nationalist delusion with a pathological sense of their own righteous victimhood. It is so Orwellian that it’s comical.
Only in this particular way is America truly great and truly exceptionalist.
I do agree with most of what you write. I think though that Russia and China are well aware of this (the meaning of dollar hegemony for the US) They are already circumventing the dollar on their commercial deals. Other nations Iran India (on their dealings with China)are planning or already doing the same. This will probably increase. Will the US go to nuclear war to defend the dollar? Thats the question.
I bought Hudson’s Super Imperialism almost to the day ten years ago but never read it. Learnt about dollar imperialism and Uncle Sam’s free lunch from other sources, though. Going to read Hudson now.
arguing logic and facts with Sino-sycophants, neo-liberal economic con-men and romantic communists is a challenging task. Thanks for your clear logic and common sense.
Lower taxes in us, so its more affordable to hire in usa.
And reduce tax and loopholes advantages of strawman offices overseas.
Because in usa today, its very high taxes (one of worst in the world) for operating inside usa.
That hurts small and medium companies ALOT.
And it hurts anyone having employees in usa.
At same time due to the strawman method of sending the gross income to foreign offices like Irland, and letting usa office have 0 profit (on paper), makes it very very favorable for the big elite companies that are so bug to operate so shady.
Which again gives huges disadvantage to small and medium companies that has to compete against such BS.
And other similar tacticts which gives huge benefits to the big elite companies.
Same BS from the elitists that own the FED.
Usa had alot of bailout due to banks having problems…
Results:
Puppet politicians got FED to print alot more money. (Money the taxpayers have to in reality pay for through government, but value goes to the FED owners through securities etc).
And puppet politicians givibg out 0% interest loans to the banks, which the taxpayers pay for, while the banjs get richer by free credits to manipulate any market segments in the world.
And bankers manipulate bankrupcies to get money whitewashed to themselves, so they can “legally” get the money, while others get the bill.
Its all been rigged to empty money from the smaller and medium companies and from the usa taxpayers to give to the elitests.
Your post is reasonable, but unfortunately some newer people here may confuse you with the Anonymous three comments above yours, who has been singing the same sore loser song for all of 2016 here. That’s where choosing some more unique handle brings greater clarity to who is who within a thread.
Glad to see Angelo refute his absurdities,BTW.
Even a casual observer that identifies 3-4 of his posts as all coming from him can see that his purpose is to lead lefties in a disgruntled Anti-Russia, anti-China walkout. Misery loves company, but he is finding very little of such company here.
First things first. Stop the Empire’s war on Russia, first. And that means stop Hillary NOW. But Noooooooo! His pet ideological peeves ought to come first, in his incompetent opinion.
So he has no interest in these or any other vital flanks. Not Syria, not Ukraine, not 911 or other false flags, not social engineering mind control, nothing! Only in his pet ideological peeves to the exclusion of any realistic strategy whatsoever. Absurdly impotent, and for all practical intents and purposes, in effective service of the Empire in slightly influencing those very few unable to see through him and grasp the fact that his own narrow ideological nonsense is the only thing that interests him.
He loves his Empire chains. Even though he probably can’t even see them wrapped around his cranium.
Trying to be kinder and more patient with him is like trying to reason with a dog with rabies. It’s been tried and just encourages him to falsely believe that his absurdities have any chance of persuading large numbers here to become anti-Russian. Good luck with that approach Anonymouse 4 comments up. Let me know how that works out for you.
“He loves his Empire chains. Even though he probably can’t even see them wrapped around his cranium.”
Very true. And that’s what classical, ossified Eurocentric Marxism shares 100% with the equally repugnant wasteland of Cultural Marxism and its “anti-authoritarian” zio-faggotry. We had an erstwhile, distinguished contributor here writing under the signature Peter J Antonsen. I sincerely feel that it’s a pity he’s not around on the forum anymore, because his submissions were steadily reaching ever greater heights of clarity and decisiveness. Here is an excerpt of what he wrote about Marx, exposing the man as an all-out labour imperialist; ditto his Western followers:
“Socialists, are, as ever, furious enemies of Russia, and famous servants of America and Tel Aviv’s Wall Street. It has ever been. Nothing has changed. It will always be. The why has just been explained. The Marx scam must be dropped. An old or new Vision may be chosen. The Yellow Brick Road is just ahead.
Did Karl Marx get it all wrong? Morally, economically, by every other measure, the answer is a resounding yes. He proved perfect in every negative. He supported social justice you say? Sure we answer, his social justice was based on imperialist robbery of the underdeveloped nations of the Third World. Within America, the Marxist Lemonist Occupy are against Wall Street (so they say), but they stand for nothing. Excuse, they are for gay marriage and anal sex.”
Verdict: Our beloved Anonymouse above is indeed entitled to his rock-solid Marxist credentials of defeatism, utopianism, and Western imperial arrogance. Too bad his wondrous West is coming apart. Western Marxists don’t take lightly losing out to lesser peoples, mind you.
As Peter J Antonsen wrote, Western Marxists are furious enemies of Russia and here’s why:
Russia proved their delusional, intellectual Western arrogance and snobbery as being little more than totally disposable trash by liberating herself twice from her genocidal Western foes. Marxism, just like Liberalism, is a foreign import to Russia. Today, they are one and the same as far as Russia is concerned; united in their efforts to destroy the Russian Nation and the Russian State by staging gay parades and colour revolutions. The Western Left knows which side the bread is buttered on. Imperialist defeat means the Bourgeois Bohèmes will be facing utter destitution.
But, you, Nussiminen, were not always in the past taking a leftist point of view?
Have you changed your mind now?
As I recall Peter J. Antonsen was a strange kind of self-described anarchist who was always defending, wait, Trostsky!, and so, even, finding the man very funny in his rethoric, I had not from where to get him.
“But, you, Nussiminen, were not always in the past taking a leftist point of view?
Have you changed your mind now?”
Well, Fatima: Yes and no. The point is that the fault line does not lie between the obsolete categories of “Left” and “Right” — it lies between oppressed and oppressor nations. The Stalin/Trotsky divide illustrates this vividly with regard to the “Left” as does the Zionazi/Nationalist divide with regard to the “Right”.
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because they’d be forced to: US minimum wage Laws mandate an hourly rate that is many times the standard labour rate in China. The comparison between a so-called US slave and a real Chinese slave is sick! It is dismissive of the atrocious conditions of the hand to mouth Chinese factory worker.
Trumps idea of a 45% or greater tarrif on Chinese goods is a excellent idea. He might also consider Warren Buffets idea of import-export certificates that would help ensure balanced trade by forcing mercantile China to import the same dollar volume of goods as China exports: as Chins exports goods to the US they consume export certificates, once exhausted they can not export further without earning further export certificates; further export credits are earned by China importing goods from the US. The would put an end to Chinese mercantile exploitation of all markets from Russis, the EU to the US.
We have a 50/50 chance to avoid a greater catastrophe in 2017 if Trump
is elected but if the Killary is elected we have no chance.
Clinton will probably win and initiate what US war mongers hunger for in 2017.
Sociopathic US leaders will destroy millions, even billions of innocents.
Like Johnson in 1964 Clinton agitprops her opponent as a loose cannon
while she is backed and represents the interests of war mongers,
Wall Street and its intelligence agency jackals, the Bankers, the Police State,
the Surveillance State, the armaments industry, the corporate controlled
MSM, lies upon lies, and war unto catastrophe.
Neocons, neolibs, the think tanks, all the war hawks are now with her.
I remember the Cold War. This is worse and more dangerous. This time we
will probably not be so lucky to just turn the corner to avoid the ultimate catastrophe.
I am sorry to be such a downer but I see no hope for us to avoid the worst.
Try to see it positively : the Dirt has to be cleaned up ! and if there is a price to be payed, well, that’s the way it is if you look at the above comments. So, dear Arius, don’t sorrow, this song cannot be continued at this stage forever and ever…
I was thinking the same thing. The speech where Rockefeller thanks the mockingbird media comes to mind when he says Hillary believes it is okay to deceive the public and , knowing their cover is blown, boo him. Filthy animals. These people need to held accountable. Harshly.
I thought that was pretty tame. The Truth hurts those unwilling to hear it, like HRC’s Janus Faced policy of public/private positions and the well deserved barb aimed at the Propaganda System. Thanks for posting the clip!
I’m not sure if you were being funny or not. But in reality that is exactly how all the great industrial powers became that way.They fostered home industries by banning (or imposing high tariffs on ) foreign cheap goods. If you allow a foreign country to flood your nation with cheaper goods you drive your home industries out of business. And reduce your nation to the Biblical ” servants, cutters of wood and drawers of water “. When Brazil and other countries of Latin America got their independence they allowed the British almost free trade privileges.And they destroyed the beginnings of industrialization in Latin America.The US replaced the British in the 20th Century in Latin America.But the same free trade,foreign controlled economies in Latin America has continued to keep those nations poor.Unless they change that ,they can never give their citizens a decent standard of living.Replace the words Latin America with Russia,and we see what has to be done there as well.
Trump doesn’t get many chances to talk without interruptions or have all what he said available on the zio-media instead of the usual misrepresentations of bits taken out of context.
“As an example of the power structure I’m fighting – AT&T is buying Time Warner and, thus, CNN, a deal we will not approve in my administration, because it’s too much concentration of power in the hands of too few,” Trump stressed.
“The Comcast purchase of NBC concentrates far too much power in one massive entity that is trying to tell the voters what to think and what to do,” he said. “Deals like this destroy democracy and we’ll look at breaking that deal up and other deals like that. This should never ever have been approved in the first place. They’re trying to poison the mind of the American voter.”
“Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign,” he said on Saturday. “Total fabrication. The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over.”
“But a simple phone call placed to the biggest newspapers or television networks gets them wall-to-wall coverage with virtually no fact-checking whatsoever. Here is why this is relevant to you,” he told his voters, before asking them, if the media is so apt at “fighting” a person who, in his words, has “unlimited resources to fight back,” how easily can it exert its influence on ordinary voters and their lives in its present statis”
There is more in the article and it is fairly written. Trumps ideas of changes answer some of what Saker brought up in his Trump-Putin article.
I don’t have a problem with what Trump had to say “per se” but …. is it just me? Not being an American, but someone who has watched that odd [ another version of exceptional I think] country, over the years, with increasing bemusement and disbelief, I see how the things that truly horrify as in the destruction of and theft from smaller countries is just another case of “As above – so below” or in this case “As below – so above”
Americans get pleasure from events where people get dressed up and sit roaring with laughter while someone gets insulted, mocked and belittled – and it appears can’t answer back. And this is … fun. Just a good clean laugh.
IN a weeks time, they will take their kids out dressing up as horrors, and teach them that it’s very socially acceptable to go up to homes they don’t know, uninvited, bang on the door and demand to be given unearned goodies, and if they dont get them, they’ll threaten do something damaging and harmful to said owner. And this is good. ??? Then the world wonders why they grow up banging some countries front door so to speak, demand the countries goodies, including obedience, and threaten to bomb them back to the stone age if they don’t get it.
Truly a weird, peculiar people.
The hot ‘roast’ is a unique and acquired taste of American humour.
Help. The whole American inspired freak show of Halloween is about to flood my neighbourhood.
I do not answer the door and I do not give strange kids lollies – OMG with so many kids with nut allergies who takes responsibility giving out bags of lollies contaminated with peanuts.
Your comment about Hallow’een is absurd. Hallow’een is an ancient Irish Festival also known as All Souls Day. As a child, like all of my peers, we called around the local homes dressed up seasonally with our ubiquitous plea; “Help the Hallow’een party” In due course, my own children did the same. And to this day, it continues. It is a harmless tradition which gives joy to the children and to many of the adults who give out chocolates and fruit and nuts traditionally. I have never heard of threats of any kind being made to those who do not contribute and that is certainly no part of the Irish tradition.
If this is how you see such childish things Isabella, you need to get over yourself. Not everything is negative in life.
The halloween tradition may have started out more innocent.
But how it has become today it gives out bad thoughtprocess.
Innocent small children getting candies is all well.
People having fun with costumes fun enough.
Byt mentality of “give us candy, or we have the right to mess you up” is definitly not right.
That such type of mentality gets implanted is just bad.
Who said i as a homeowner agreed to be ok with such type of extortions?
And why as a homeowner should i have to worry that alot of drunk nutjobs can end up puncturing tires, key cars exterior or theyve seen to much bad movies with strange ideas.
No thanks.
Irland have some good traditions, but this one is not necesarily a good tradition (atleast not what it has turned into many places in us).
Just curious here. Who was the guy behind Donald Trump’s right shoulder? The one with the ‘medals’? Was he some kind of Grand Duke of the Hapsburgs or ‘just a Knight of Malta’ or some other thingy that’s ‘just religious’?
It is a Catholic Charities event. The Knights of Columbus, Malta, whatever are big at these things.
Maybe Opus Dei, another high level Catholic org.
I truly believe that among the men in that room, only Trump has a shot at heaven. Most of the rest of them aren’t Catholic, they are practicing Khazarians, steeped in the tradition of greed and kleptocracy. And the Catholics are defenders of the corrupt and deviant.
Dolan has had many crucial opportunities as Cardinal to stand up and fight for values. He challenged Clinton to apologize for the Wikileaks information that showed her team was planning a color revolution on the Catholic Church in America. She did not apologize. He said “never mind” and went on with her as an honored speaker. As most Cardinals and Bishops are, he is corrupt, also.
So, Trump hit her hard after the “roasting” jokes. The room didn’t like it. Trump didn’t care. These are not his people. These are the residents of the swamp he intends to drain.
To be fair, the Khazarians infiltrated the Catholic church leaders some hundred years ago. So they are not real catholic leaders.
Khazarians Is tracked back to around year 600-800 in north caucasus to the west of crimea.
They fought earlier russian empires.
They initially was in the caucasus area as theif and extortion artists, getting ransoms and money from any traveller passing by in the area.
Then eventually they “cleaned” it, by eventually forming a “country” and by setting up taxes and banklike systems and demanding money from all passing by. Still very thieflike behaviour.
Then the Alexander the Great (Christian) empire got strong in the west, and the Persian Empire got strong in the East (Muslim).
Both wanted to convert those thiefs.
Alexander and Persian empires was at war with each other.
That made it hard for the Khazarians,
For either they converted to Christianity and apeased with Alexander, but then get hostility by Persians.
Or they could convert to Islam and be at peace with Persian Empire, but then risk hostility with the Alexander.
The Khazarians was very coneyving/ and smart.
They found out that both Christianity and Islam respected Judaism (both Christianity and Islam recognize Judaism as the original 1st brother language).
So the Khazarians decided to declare that their new state religion was Judaism.
And declared all its innhabitants was forced to convert to Judaism.
(Even got _some_ imported real jews, so could intermarry to get some jew bloods and legacy).
But almost none in Khazarians (former caucasus) was real jews or had jew blood.
Must remember that it is impossible to convert to Judaism.
Only way to become a real hew is if you are born by a jewish mother.
Thats why real jews are both definition of a religion and a race.
These fake Khazarians jews dont have the Abraham bloodline.
And their path of destruction can me traced in events through the past 1000+ history.
They got eventually sacked by the Russians (around year 900-1100 i think), making them migrate to the west into europe.
Khazarians have laied a path of utter destruction from their coneyving backmen.
Century by century they have infiltrated more and more. Alot of the royal bloodline in the west got contaminated and replaced by Khazarians blood some hundred years ago. Including the current english monarchy.
They played both side of ww2, winning regardless.
They profit from destructions, and sell high to the winners and punchtures the loosers.
And they kill, bribe, blackmail, replace, set up their enemies or possible puppets.
Nowdays they usa nsa, media blackout, several part of military, almost all of democrat camp, big part of republican camp, most juridicial entities, almost all the cdntral banks in the world, as good as all the big banks, and etc etc etc.
They have infiltrated the jews. Most jews arent real jews, they are Khazarians.
So each time anyone says something against these pricks, they use the anti-semit card.
But they are not semitic, they arent children of Abraham. They arent of the book of the jewish people.
In usa, they have also infiltrated big christian leaderships. Protecting the Khazarians as if they were gods choosen people.
But in reality, Khazarians are not real jewish, they are the closest one will ever come to the demons of Hell.
They corrupt, they kill, they make up laws to destroy families, destroy values, confuse peoples compasses, get people to fight each other while they rob.
Society has fallen into cheating is now a norm.
Homosexualy is now a great thing,
2-income families are now a norm, so noone takes care of the children. In effect destroys familystructure. (Only banjs get rucher on that scheme. For 2-income society has only made houses more expensive)
That is so full of historical errors as I’ve ever seen. Just to mention one among many. Alexander the Great’s Empire was hundreds of years before both Christ’s time. And before the Khazar’s existed in that area. That error alone,should show the quality of the rest of that comment.
Not if you are looking at history it doesn’t ,little is true there. A few others among the many errors,Christianity and Islam were certainly not friendly to Judaism in those periods.It is possible to convert to Judaism.And most historians say only a portion of the Khazar converted to Judaism. Since it was known that there were Christians and Muslims recorded among them.I’m one of the people that believe that the Khazar did have an impact on the Eastern European Jewish population (that zionists deny). But history shows they were only a part of it. Not most of those people.One you deduct the errors,almost nothing is left of importance in it.
“Not if you are looking at history it doesn’t ,little is true there.”
Thats your words. I can just as easy say that little is true about what you wrote there.
If you check up history most of what he said seems to hold true.
So then im down to conclusion that most you are telling is not true.
“Christianity and Islam were certainly not friendly to Judaism in those periods.”
Again just your words.
If ones check historical archives and most importantly the religious books and the commandments/”laws” themselves, then your camuflaged pro-khazarians bs is mute.
Islam recognizes Christianity and Judaism as the books of same religion as Islam. (Or brothers if you will).
Christians did not recognize Islam, but recognized Judaism.
Christianity was not friendly with Islam, thats correct. And in return Islam was not friendly with Christianity.
Christianity recognized Judaism, as books of same religion.
Judaism did not recognize Christianity or Islam.
And jews has lived peacefull among muslims for many many centuries.
Even today many jews lives among muslims.
It is the modern western hatred and attack and genocides in middle east that has sturred up hate.
But nevertheless, all areas of the world has lunatics once in a while.
The christian countries has had Hitler, Clintons, Alot of very bloodthirsty warmongerers in europe (who claim to be christians, or claim to fight in Christianity. So crazy people who abuse religion against its own religion one sadly finds several places).
“It is possible to convert to Judaism.”
No it is not. Absolutly not!
It is popular myth in modern society that its possible, but you can only be a real jew if your mother was a jew.
Closest you can get to real converts would be if your mothers blodline was a jew and you had no religious affiliation. Then you can in theory “convert” religiously since you allready qualify requirement of your bloodline.
“And most historians say only a portion of the Khazar converted to Judaism.”
Yes they do.
But the leaders said all.
Its like many Christian countries, where the leaders converted the population by force.
For example the vikings in norway. Vikingleader took controll of the diffrent “states” in norway and forced the leaders to either convert their states to christianity or die.
Allthough leaders may die for refusing, it doesnt mean that all innhabitants really convert.
And even less can convert in spirit (being forced to a religion by force does not mean they actually embrace that religion in private).
But about Khazarians, that gets void since its not legally possible to convert non-semitic people to judaism.
“Since it was known that there were Christians and Muslims recorded among them.”
Yes thats correct.
Some before, some among, and some after.
Just like the west claims to be Christian countries, it also has many other faiths.
And just because leaders pronounce the country and its people are now jews, does not mean that everyone will “convert” that way.
(I dont know if non-jews got taxed higher).
But even after they “officially” converted they had muslim neighbours to the south (not part of Khazarians), and they had muslim neighbours to the east (some crossover into Khazarian lands)
“I’m one of the people that believe that the Khazar did have an impact on the Eastern European Jewish population (that zionists deny). ”
Agree. And recent bloodtests have confirmed.
Thats one of the headaches of the Kgazarians.
They can hide in the shadow of Judaism.
But with modern science one now know the dna structure of the semitic jews, and the Khazarians is not part of that bloodline.
Yes the real jews originally “race” may be washed out by mixibg with other races/people through many generations of people.
But one can still trace if they are from the jewish semitic bloodline.
And the khazarians are not.
The question becomes how many of the historybooks socalled jews are fake jews, and who of them where “the choosen people” (the real ones). Khazarians are like wolf in sheep clothings. They are not jews, period. (With exception of a very tiny tiny amount who actually travelled into Khazarians area).
Some estimates has it that its only about 5-25% real left, rest are imposters (or at best case scenario: naive and believes they are jews, but atleast maybe practices Judaism).
Who knows how few of the “jews” in Israel is actuall jews (real), and how many are real.
One can also wonder about the israel flag. The Israel flag has no historical reference from the religion. The israel flag has a bad omen to it. created by a fake jew and according to some represents 666. (6 points, 6 pyramids, 6 sided hexagon).
And sorry for medium english. English is my 3rd language.
There are folks trying to persuade a non-vote for Trump which in this coming election means an effective vote for the Clinton pit of corruption. Scott Adams now explains their method and transform it for the patriots to safe-guard themselves and to use the method back against them.
“Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said Sunday that the US presidential election involve a choice between “bad and worse.”
Rohani explained that when in September he attended the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) in New York (northeastern US), was asked who preferred : Hillary Clinton for the Democratic or Republican Donald Trump.
“In the United Nations (UN), a head of state asked me who he preferred, and I said if they had to choose bad before the worst or the worst rather than bad”, said the head of Persian government.
President Rohani, which spoke to a large crowd of people in the Iranian city of Arak, capital of the central province of Markazi- strongly criticized the tone employing the two leading candidates for the White House during the presidential debates and assured that all the world had realized “how they talk, how they accuse, and laugh”.
In his view, the United States, which boasts to his credit more than 200 years of democracy and 50 presidential elections during that period of time, is currently a “great and industrial” country with “no morality”, which, according to the Iranian president, it is evident in the debates between the two presidential candidates.
On October 20 the third and final debate Clinton-Trump took place, in which, as the previous two, both candidates attacked each other with the scandals surrounding both Clinton as Trump.
The spokeswoman of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Maria Zakharova, past October 19, called the election campaign for the US Presidency “world disgrace” and “catastrophe” and not worthy of American citizens.
Americans will choose the next November 8th the replacement of current President Barack Obama in the Oval Office of the White House. However, surveys show deep public discontent with both candidates: young Americans prefer the destruction of the world to Trump and Clinton.
This is the opinion of Iranian President Rohani and Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman, María Zakharova, but i have expressed the same several times already since the months you started campaigning so much for “The Donald”.
What nobody had commented here, and that I did not know, is what is said in the the last sentence, that young Americans prefer the destruction of the world to Trump and Clinton..
No wonder, since this forum is mostly of elderly people to whom youth could not care less, all you want is to preserve your assets…..
No I want to see Killery/Shillery/Hitler beaten in a humiliating ego-crushing defeat And Then I want to see her sent Jail and further pilloried and finally for her to live a long frustrated life in obscurity where she couldn’t even order an insect to do her bidding let alone people.
Hanging on to my assets have nothing to do with it.
I don’t trust Trump nor am I impressed by his narcissism, but he’s not a murderer and totally sold out bribe taking piece of raping and rape/enabling trash like his opponent is. Hillary is the worst, guaranteed. Trump might be bad (or good) but he beats butcher-in-waiting autocrat puppet, Hillary.
Donald Trumps’ full Alfred E. Smith Dinner address here (15min):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQzQbJ82jM
Dear Saker, the full 15min speech is available at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQzQbJ82jM
as provided by “_smr media server” in a former post.
Term Limits and more….
Trump Says “Let’s Drain the Swamp”
From his address at 13:50:
“…our jobs have been taken away they’ve gone to Mexico they’ve gone to so many other countries. It’s a one lane highway where they get the jobs they get the jobs they get the moneyand we get the drugs the unemployment and it’going to change believe me it.
And that goes for all countries when you look at China when you look at every country every trade dealwe have is horrible and we should be ashamed of the people that let thost deals happen they are defective and they knew they were defective and they were done for a reason and believe me they will be unwound so fast and we will have trade we will have great trade and it’ll be free trade but it’ll be fair trade and it’ll be real”
What’s the story here.
Charge China a 45% Tariff so that imports cease and the new US Manufacturers charge US citizens 45% more for their widgets.
The real question is – who would get the biggest slice of that pie
If the jobs are brought back home, why would these US factory owners (http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2016/08/15/trump-nation-does-income-inequality-now-define-the-u-s-economy/#5c6696ce649c) wish to pay their US workers more than the iphone manufacturers (Foxconn) currently do in China? have the US rich miraculously become benevolent compared to their Chinese peers or has Trump said he will force their benevolence by massively increased income/inheritance taxes?
Have the US Unions not been decimated to the same extent (since Reagan & Thatcher) as those in China
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/03/25/chin-m25.html – interestingly, there is only one there with zero teeth.
So the question I have for Trump is – what’s the difference between a US slave and a Chinese slave and what are you going to do about it.
The Ameican people are being hoodwinked by another Capitalist Scumbag – Globalist or Nationalist makes little difference.
An 800 billion dollar trade deficit can’t be sustained forever. It’s called a slow bleed, and things that bleed too much become weak and eventually die.
I find it interesting how people with ideological restraints can blithely reclassify the notions of ‘working’ and ‘jobs’ with ‘slavery’. Let us not bring back jobs they argue because the business people just won’t pay enough….This defeatist attitude somehow seems to be part and parcel of the state run apologists arsenal of hollow arguments. On its face the argument is absurd. If company’s are forced to manufacture domestically for domestically sold goods they will all be competing for a dwindling work force, this won’t have downward pressure on wages but upward pressure. Chinese sold goods can be manufactured there and within the restrictions of the Chinese framework. Companies will simply adapt to each region as required.
The communists yearn for the glory days of no poverty, where men are babysat by the state, and the hard core socialist left think lowering taxes on business owners, such as myself, is somehow wrong headed. The real fascination for me is how these people have been duped into a mindset of reliance upon a coercive system of taxation that is unconstitutional and fundamentally evil.
Forced communal sharing is not a legitimate system of freedom, it is a kleptocratic system of arbitrary rules which direct society based upon the ruling elites values, all paid for by the sweat and blood of the working masses. The income tax was enacted as a war tax, and was apparently meant to be withdrawn once normality ensued, though not surprisingly this never happened.
Society is much better off when the working man/woman is allowed to keep more of his/her money, and social safety nets are community/town based where local charities, churches, and concerned citizens groups work in the community to build self reliance. This top down ghetto state welfare system is inhumane and leads only to generational dependence.
Trumps idea to impose tariffs is only a direct reaction to Chinese tariffs, which no one at all mentions. The tariffs role is to pressure companies to bring manufacturing back rather than exploit cheap overseas labor and flood the US market with cheap foreign goods. Tariffs can be very effective at balancing imbalances, but it requires a very careful touch to strike the right balance and not halt trade altogether. I think Trump would clearly recognize this since he intuitively understands money flows so well.
“FORCED [emphasis added] communal sharing is not a legitimate system of freedom, it is a kleptocratic system of arbitrary rules which direct[s] society based upon the ruling elites values, all paid for by the sweat and blood of the working masses.”
Hear, hear!
“On its face the argument is absurd. If company’s are forced to manufacture domestically for domestically sold goods they will all be competing for a dwindling work force, this won’t have downward pressure on wages but upward pressure.”
Well, dig a little deeper then.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/09/union-power-dwindles-rich-get-richer-and-corporate-profits-soar
“Today, with union membership at around 11.1 percent, the report notes, “The share of income going to the top 10 percent…hit 47.2 percent in 2014 — only slightly lower than 47.8 percent in 2012, the highest it has been since 1917 (the earliest year data are available).”
The Economic Policy Institute has also documented the disparity in wage growth between the top 0.1% and the bottom 90%. The numbers are staggering: Since 1979, those in the top 0.1% have seen wage growth of 324.4%, versus a meager 16.7% growth for those in the bottom 90%.
Also during this period, the middle class has experienced a sharp decline, one that is linked to the decline in union membership.
“From 1979 to 2012, union membership slid by more than one half, from 24 percent of all workers to 11 percent,” writes Cole Stangler of the International Business Times. “Over that same time, the size of the middle class shrank by more than 10 percentage points, to 45 percent of the population.”
Those who shape government policy understand these facts all too well, and they are eager to perpetuate the status quo they have worked so hard to ingrain, one that keeps workers powerless, disorganized, and economically insecure.
They understand, for example, the point Tali Kristal makes in a 2013 paper published in the American Sociological Review, in which she argues that corporate profits have soared not merely, as some assert, because of productivity-increasing computerization and technological advances.
There is another crucial factor at play: Namely, the “disempowerment of workers when bargaining with employers.”
This declining bargaining power, combined with “falling rates of unionization,” allowed large corporations to “grab the lion’s share of the fruits of economic growth.”
All the while, as Kristal documents, labor’s share of the pie has continued to shrink in the decades since 1979 — and inequality, along with corporate profits, have surged.
“Union decline has not only increased wage disparities among workers; it has also allowed U.S. capitalists to grab a growing slice of economic gains at the expense of all of their employees,” Kristal concludes. “Employers were able to do this, not because of the inexorable impact of abstract market forces or impersonal technologies, but because they have been able to deploy new technologies in ways that spurred the decline of unions an”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36376966
“Apple and Samsung supplier Foxconn has reportedly replaced 60,000 factory workers with robots.
One factory has “reduced employee strength from 110,000 to 50,000 thanks to the introduction of robots”,”
Andy you miraculously think the incantation of continuing US Union decimation and robot introduction will magically put upward pressure on US Labour rates?
Here’s what Foxconn think of your idea
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/chinese-workers-foxconned
“But the real Foxconn story is unfolding elsewhere. The Taiwan-based firm is rapidly expanding from China’s industrialized coast into its vast interior, establishing new production facilities in impoverished provinces such as Henan, Hubei, and Sichuan, far from the labor metropolis of Shenzhen, a dangerous Detroit in the making. Major expansion is also underway in Brazil, India, Mexico, Malaysia, and central Europe, notwithstanding the strong presence of unions in some of those locations. In a dramatic inversion, the company announced late last year that it would soon start manufacturing in the United States itself. Energy costs, access to markets, public relations, and wage stagnation in middle-income labor markets are all part of the equation. The geography of expansion also reflects a global leveling: wages in America’s “right-to-work” states, the European periphery, and the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) countries are increasingly entering a similar range.“
So, even without Trump having lifted a Tariff finger Foxconn already know the lack of US worker bargaining power will let them offer whatever rate they choose to pay across the globe.
If Trump imagines he can have the US beat Global Capitalism with Tariff implenetation then, as Foxconn exemplify, he has already lost.
But since the man is not stupid then this is not a part of his plan at all and, as I previously stated:
The Ameican people are being hoodwinked by another Capitalist Scumbag – Globalist or Nationalist makes little difference.
Your arguments, scattered as they are among quotes with random numbers and figures misses the point. More and more tasks of repetition will be roboticized, this is a good thing for human beings since we are not machines. The workforce must as a result upgrade itself, this will move more people into skilled trades, entrepreneurship, specialized fields such as robotic services, machine design and so on.
Regardless of the above, certain types of jobs will always need human hands, forcing companies to produce domestically in order to sell domestically removes the threat and leverage of offshoring. Simply because more and more manufacturing is roboticized in no way means the benefits of local production are removed, they simply change. An entirely new field of robotics servicing will arise – machinists, technicians, designers, fabricators, parts supply, and so on.
More companies producing domestically will indeed push wages up over time, it will also increase employment, and boost small business growth as ancillary industries will arise to supply the larger corporations. Feeder industries that produce raw materials will also grow as domestic production requires raw materials, these are traditionally well paying jobs.
As concerns unions, and I know plenty about unions; most have become bloated bureaucratic institutions with the wonderful sounding slogan of ‘workers rights’, all the while providing no assurance of quality and efficiency. Unions have been unaccountable for quality and workmanship yet they seek benefits commensurate with a job well done. Now this assessment is country specific, a few countries have very good unions, however in North America unions have strangulated themselves into oblivion simply due to greed, unrealistic demands and poor results.
Does anyone actually expect a company to set aside $20,000 to $50,000 dollars every year, for every employee that ever worked for an extended period of time, for the rest of that employees life? Who came up with this idea? As the roll of past employees grows the weight of expenditures on the company become so onerous as to destroy the company altogether, or impelling it to grow ever bigger, forcing marketplace consolidation in a race to grow revenues.
If the government took their hand out of the workers pocket, and if educational institutions taught people how to save and invest their money, rather than how to become factory workers, than the issue of survival after work life would be a non issue.
The arguments you Mr. Anonymous provide are specious, they are simply manifestations of ideological rhetoric with no real world application. Your lack of familiarity with the topic is obvious, you much rather be angry than find solutions. Good luck.
Sir James Goldsmith was a European billionaire who warned about the perils of ‘free market’ trade deals. He spent hundreds of millions supporting his cause.
“In 1994 Goldsmith founded and financed The Referendum Party in the United Kingdom, modeled upon the Majorité pour l’autre Europe, with the objective of seeking a referendum for its national withdrawal from the European Union, which would go on to stand candidates in the country’s General Election of 1997. As the mid-1990’s progressed Goldsmith involved himself in British politics, appearing with increasing regularity in the political press, and in domestic political televised debates, raising opposition to the nature of the European Union and what he perceived was mainstream media culpability in playing down its supranational ambitions, and pouring scorn on a Westminster parliamentary political order that he stated had failed the nation and was now willfully betraying its governmental sovereignty” – Wikipedia
Sir James Goldsmith Exposes the Myth of Free Trade Deals
Sir James Goldsmiths Book “The Trap”
“In the world as a whole, there are still 3.1 billion people living in the countryside. If intensive methods of agriculture were imposed universally and productivity per person were to reach the levels of Australia, then, as we have discussed, about 2 billion of these people will lose their livelihood. Rural communities throughout the world would be washed away as if by a great flood. Whole populations would be uprooted and swept into urban slums. As the affected nations become ungovernable and impoverished, so their people would be forced to seek refuge elsewhere. Mass migrations of displaced people would follow. Yet economists totally disregard these social and economic costs when they calculate the cost of food produced by intensive methods.
Modern society believes in intensive farming because modern culture is based on measuring and counting rather than on trying to understand long-term and more important consequences.” – Sir James Goldsmith
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In reply to Robotics
https://workplacepsychology.net/2010/05/16/do-all-employees-want-a-challenging-job/
https://www.ft.com/content/063c1176-d29a-11e5-969e-9d801cf5e15b
I have old University friends approaching retirement (or retired) who still do not know what they want to do.
In reply to Economics
Here’s a story i’m very familiar with during the 2008 Financial “crisis” in the UK. A large Corporation with billions in the bank announced bankruptcy. As a result their operations suffered a slight dip but quickly recovered. Soon after the announcement hundreds of “redundancies” were announced & with the cover of UK Insolvency legislation (the rescue culture, no less) many highly skilled Engineers and other production operatives were dismissed with zero redundancy. Within weeks many of these same positions were re-offered for employment and many of those made “redundant” (haha, that is funny) were re-employed on 50% of their previous wages and massively worse t&c’s.
Ah,happens right? it does and it started when Margaret Thatcher “beat” the Unions during the Miner’s strilke. Here’s some recent comment of how she managed it
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/04/police-fahy-inquiry-1980s-miners-strike-scargill-orgreave-thatcher-hillsborough
Since the Financial
“crisis”, er reapportionment of wealth, that reapportionment has continued apace. Employment (and vacancies) in the UK are at historic highs and average wages have increased but, more importantly, median wages have decreased. – most people earn less than they did 7 years ago. Many innovators (or those forced to do that) are particularly badly hithttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/06/self-employed-low-pay-report_n_5271583.html
So, in the UK we are now in a position where local production will suit the Global Capitalists just fine – local Tariffs would not change their production location plans. All Government’s since Thatcher have decimated Mass labour bargaining power (by violence, when required) and implemeted legislation to ensure a “rescue culture” that can be abused at whim. If Foxconn decide they wish a Factory in Sunderland tomorrow at pay rates similar to Guangdong everybody would welcome it (if only to survive austerity). The Global Capitalist’s have won – there will be no upward pressure on pay.
I love innovation – my work is 3D vision systems. Just because some of my friends do not have that same drive does not mean I wish them to end their days living in a cardboard box.
I guess you’ll be able to enjoy all that free time when the robots take over – have fun (but most will not).
The problem with your commentary is that it assumes that the response merely tries to change the rules within the framework of neoliberal economics and globalisation. The US could dump these conventions and develop an economy like Germany with its focus on technology acquisition, manipulation and management to drive national ‘competitiveness’ or China that acquires technology to underpins its competitiveness. You see that cost is only one factor that a consumer takes into account when buying a product. If you do not have a ‘competitive’ national economy it is then impossible to build industry, create jobs and balance trade. This means ‘out-competing’ other nations. This is the only chance the US has in terms of economic regeneration. If not the future is as you outlined and the Chinese will run economic rings around the US – one will rise and the other will collapse.
The “1000lb gorilla” issue that American propagandists here (including Donald Trump) obscure is American Dollar Imperialism.
Because the US Dollar is the world’s only reserve currency, America can devour enormous amounts of products and services from the rest of the world in exchange for the worthless toilet paper known as the US Dollar and treasury bills.
As Mike Whitney has explained, America’s Dollar Imperialist system is one where “Washington can control the world’s energy supplies and force the world to trade in dollars, it can spend well in excess of what it produces and not be held to account. It’s like having a credit card you never have to pay off.
That’s a racket Uncle Sam is prepared to defend with everything he’s got, even nukes.”
Defending Dollar Imperialism
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/01/defending-dollar-imperialism/
Michael Hudson has thus stated that America has extracted the *greatest free lunch* in history because of this Dollar system:
http://michael-hudson.com/2003/03/press-release-super-imperialism/
And Vladimir Putin–whom many people here think that Trump is “friendly” to–has bluntly described the United States as a parasite.
US is ‘parasite’ on global economy, Russian PM Vladimir Putin says https://www.sott.net/article/232865-US-is-parasite-on-global-economy-Russian-PM-Vladimir-Putin-says
That is what underlies America’s economic relationship to the world–whether that be to China, Mexico, or whatever country the Americans are whining about.
Like most demagogues, Trump is playing the Nationalist card in order to divert attention from this parasitic American system–and predictably channel American anger onto foreign scapegoats to blame for domestic problems.
Trump’s hostility towards Muslims, Mexicans, Chinese, etc. are all part of a larger tactic: promote “2-minutes of hate” against foreign nations/groups in order to politically cover for American Empire and its capitalist system. Mussolini and Hitler would certainly approve of this political scam.
In this sense, Trump is merely the flip side of the coin of Clinton.
Whereas Clinton peddles anti-Russian hate, Trump stokes anti-Chinese, anti-Mexican, and anti-Islam hate! Such is the nature of America’s phony democracy and the bogus “choices” that it offers.
Americans complaining about “foreigners taking our jobs” is a pathetic self-pitying attempt to avoid facing the fact that America exploits foreign workers in order to reap greater profits for its corporations.
The Americans are fundamentally a nation of militant parasites with a sense of economic entitlement that no knows limits.
“Poor innocent America is being taken advantage by those evil-doing foreigners!” (Just ignore how America exploits foreign workers or bombs, invades, and loots their nations.)
This is essentially how Americans see their relationship to the world, whether that be in terms of economic or military issues.
The Americans combine nationalist delusion with a pathological sense of their own righteous victimhood. It is so Orwellian that it’s comical.
Only in this particular way is America truly great and truly exceptionalist.
I do agree with most of what you write. I think though that Russia and China are well aware of this (the meaning of dollar hegemony for the US) They are already circumventing the dollar on their commercial deals. Other nations Iran India (on their dealings with China)are planning or already doing the same. This will probably increase. Will the US go to nuclear war to defend the dollar? Thats the question.
I also agree with most of what you wrote here, but unlike Oscar I know that Uncle Sam (or any other uncle or auntie, for that matter) does not have the means to “go nuclear”. What they do have the means to do, on the other hand, is to go kookular and fool the sheeple – and probably governments of lesser nations, at least in the past.
I bought Hudson’s Super Imperialism almost to the day ten years ago but never read it. Learnt about dollar imperialism and Uncle Sam’s free lunch from other sources, though. Going to read Hudson now.
@Angelo
arguing logic and facts with Sino-sycophants, neo-liberal economic con-men and romantic communists is a challenging task. Thanks for your clear logic and common sense.
Lower taxes in us, so its more affordable to hire in usa.
And reduce tax and loopholes advantages of strawman offices overseas.
Because in usa today, its very high taxes (one of worst in the world) for operating inside usa.
That hurts small and medium companies ALOT.
And it hurts anyone having employees in usa.
At same time due to the strawman method of sending the gross income to foreign offices like Irland, and letting usa office have 0 profit (on paper), makes it very very favorable for the big elite companies that are so bug to operate so shady.
Which again gives huges disadvantage to small and medium companies that has to compete against such BS.
And other similar tacticts which gives huge benefits to the big elite companies.
Same BS from the elitists that own the FED.
Usa had alot of bailout due to banks having problems…
Results:
Puppet politicians got FED to print alot more money. (Money the taxpayers have to in reality pay for through government, but value goes to the FED owners through securities etc).
And puppet politicians givibg out 0% interest loans to the banks, which the taxpayers pay for, while the banjs get richer by free credits to manipulate any market segments in the world.
And bankers manipulate bankrupcies to get money whitewashed to themselves, so they can “legally” get the money, while others get the bill.
Its all been rigged to empty money from the smaller and medium companies and from the usa taxpayers to give to the elitests.
Your post is reasonable, but unfortunately some newer people here may confuse you with the Anonymous three comments above yours, who has been singing the same sore loser song for all of 2016 here. That’s where choosing some more unique handle brings greater clarity to who is who within a thread.
Glad to see Angelo refute his absurdities,BTW.
Even a casual observer that identifies 3-4 of his posts as all coming from him can see that his purpose is to lead lefties in a disgruntled Anti-Russia, anti-China walkout. Misery loves company, but he is finding very little of such company here.
First things first. Stop the Empire’s war on Russia, first. And that means stop Hillary NOW. But Noooooooo! His pet ideological peeves ought to come first, in his incompetent opinion.
So he has no interest in these or any other vital flanks. Not Syria, not Ukraine, not 911 or other false flags, not social engineering mind control, nothing! Only in his pet ideological peeves to the exclusion of any realistic strategy whatsoever. Absurdly impotent, and for all practical intents and purposes, in effective service of the Empire in slightly influencing those very few unable to see through him and grasp the fact that his own narrow ideological nonsense is the only thing that interests him.
He loves his Empire chains. Even though he probably can’t even see them wrapped around his cranium.
Trying to be kinder and more patient with him is like trying to reason with a dog with rabies. It’s been tried and just encourages him to falsely believe that his absurdities have any chance of persuading large numbers here to become anti-Russian. Good luck with that approach Anonymouse 4 comments up. Let me know how that works out for you.
“He loves his Empire chains. Even though he probably can’t even see them wrapped around his cranium.”
Very true. And that’s what classical, ossified Eurocentric Marxism shares 100% with the equally repugnant wasteland of Cultural Marxism and its “anti-authoritarian” zio-faggotry. We had an erstwhile, distinguished contributor here writing under the signature Peter J Antonsen. I sincerely feel that it’s a pity he’s not around on the forum anymore, because his submissions were steadily reaching ever greater heights of clarity and decisiveness. Here is an excerpt of what he wrote about Marx, exposing the man as an all-out labour imperialist; ditto his Western followers:
“Socialists, are, as ever, furious enemies of Russia, and famous servants of America and Tel Aviv’s Wall Street. It has ever been. Nothing has changed. It will always be. The why has just been explained. The Marx scam must be dropped. An old or new Vision may be chosen. The Yellow Brick Road is just ahead.
Did Karl Marx get it all wrong? Morally, economically, by every other measure, the answer is a resounding yes. He proved perfect in every negative. He supported social justice you say? Sure we answer, his social justice was based on imperialist robbery of the underdeveloped nations of the Third World. Within America, the Marxist Lemonist Occupy are against Wall Street (so they say), but they stand for nothing. Excuse, they are for gay marriage and anal sex.”
Verdict: Our beloved Anonymouse above is indeed entitled to his rock-solid Marxist credentials of defeatism, utopianism, and Western imperial arrogance. Too bad his wondrous West is coming apart. Western Marxists don’t take lightly losing out to lesser peoples, mind you.
As Peter J Antonsen wrote, Western Marxists are furious enemies of Russia and here’s why:
Russia proved their delusional, intellectual Western arrogance and snobbery as being little more than totally disposable trash by liberating herself twice from her genocidal Western foes. Marxism, just like Liberalism, is a foreign import to Russia. Today, they are one and the same as far as Russia is concerned; united in their efforts to destroy the Russian Nation and the Russian State by staging gay parades and colour revolutions. The Western Left knows which side the bread is buttered on. Imperialist defeat means the Bourgeois Bohèmes will be facing utter destitution.
But, you, Nussiminen, were not always in the past taking a leftist point of view?
Have you changed your mind now?
As I recall Peter J. Antonsen was a strange kind of self-described anarchist who was always defending, wait, Trostsky!, and so, even, finding the man very funny in his rethoric, I had not from where to get him.
“But, you, Nussiminen, were not always in the past taking a leftist point of view?
Have you changed your mind now?”
Well, Fatima: Yes and no. The point is that the fault line does not lie between the obsolete categories of “Left” and “Right” — it lies between oppressed and oppressor nations. The Stalin/Trotsky divide illustrates this vividly with regard to the “Left” as does the Zionazi/Nationalist divide with regard to the “Right”.
Ah,
so that’s why my comments are not being posted. The Capitalist apologists don’t like a little opposition.
Keep counting guys ;- )
Your comments are not being posted because we want more than ‘one liners’. Please contribute to the discussions and not just take ‘one line’ pot shots … mod-hs
because they’d be forced to: US minimum wage Laws mandate an hourly rate that is many times the standard labour rate in China. The comparison between a so-called US slave and a real Chinese slave is sick! It is dismissive of the atrocious conditions of the hand to mouth Chinese factory worker.
Trumps idea of a 45% or greater tarrif on Chinese goods is a excellent idea. He might also consider Warren Buffets idea of import-export certificates that would help ensure balanced trade by forcing mercantile China to import the same dollar volume of goods as China exports: as Chins exports goods to the US they consume export certificates, once exhausted they can not export further without earning further export certificates; further export credits are earned by China importing goods from the US. The would put an end to Chinese mercantile exploitation of all markets from Russis, the EU to the US.
We have a 50/50 chance to avoid a greater catastrophe in 2017 if Trump
is elected but if the Killary is elected we have no chance.
Clinton will probably win and initiate what US war mongers hunger for in 2017.
Sociopathic US leaders will destroy millions, even billions of innocents.
Like Johnson in 1964 Clinton agitprops her opponent as a loose cannon
while she is backed and represents the interests of war mongers,
Wall Street and its intelligence agency jackals, the Bankers, the Police State,
the Surveillance State, the armaments industry, the corporate controlled
MSM, lies upon lies, and war unto catastrophe.
Neocons, neolibs, the think tanks, all the war hawks are now with her.
I remember the Cold War. This is worse and more dangerous. This time we
will probably not be so lucky to just turn the corner to avoid the ultimate catastrophe.
I am sorry to be such a downer but I see no hope for us to avoid the worst.
Try to see it positively : the Dirt has to be cleaned up ! and if there is a price to be payed, well, that’s the way it is if you look at the above comments. So, dear Arius, don’t sorrow, this song cannot be continued at this stage forever and ever…
The faces of those “parasites” was priceless. Talking like that in the lions den!
I am shure there will be hell to pay futher dawn the line.
So I do the only thing I can do an pray for his life and wellbeing and that of his family.
I was thinking the same thing. The speech where Rockefeller thanks the mockingbird media comes to mind when he says Hillary believes it is okay to deceive the public and , knowing their cover is blown, boo him. Filthy animals. These people need to held accountable. Harshly.
I thought that was pretty tame. The Truth hurts those unwilling to hear it, like HRC’s Janus Faced policy of public/private positions and the well deserved barb aimed at the Propaganda System. Thanks for posting the clip!
I Just had an idea to boost Brazil’s growing rate.
Just tax US products by 45% and baang.
I’m not sure if you were being funny or not. But in reality that is exactly how all the great industrial powers became that way.They fostered home industries by banning (or imposing high tariffs on ) foreign cheap goods. If you allow a foreign country to flood your nation with cheaper goods you drive your home industries out of business. And reduce your nation to the Biblical ” servants, cutters of wood and drawers of water “. When Brazil and other countries of Latin America got their independence they allowed the British almost free trade privileges.And they destroyed the beginnings of industrialization in Latin America.The US replaced the British in the 20th Century in Latin America.But the same free trade,foreign controlled economies in Latin America has continued to keep those nations poor.Unless they change that ,they can never give their citizens a decent standard of living.Replace the words Latin America with Russia,and we see what has to be done there as well.
Trump doesn’t get many chances to talk without interruptions or have all what he said available on the zio-media instead of the usual misrepresentations of bits taken out of context.
Trump outlines first 100 days in office, swears to end US media’s abuse of news coverage
https://www.rt.com/usa/363814-trump-gettysburg-media-criticism/
“As an example of the power structure I’m fighting – AT&T is buying Time Warner and, thus, CNN, a deal we will not approve in my administration, because it’s too much concentration of power in the hands of too few,” Trump stressed.
“The Comcast purchase of NBC concentrates far too much power in one massive entity that is trying to tell the voters what to think and what to do,” he said. “Deals like this destroy democracy and we’ll look at breaking that deal up and other deals like that. This should never ever have been approved in the first place. They’re trying to poison the mind of the American voter.”
“Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign,” he said on Saturday. “Total fabrication. The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over.”
“But a simple phone call placed to the biggest newspapers or television networks gets them wall-to-wall coverage with virtually no fact-checking whatsoever. Here is why this is relevant to you,” he told his voters, before asking them, if the media is so apt at “fighting” a person who, in his words, has “unlimited resources to fight back,” how easily can it exert its influence on ordinary voters and their lives in its present statis”
There is more in the article and it is fairly written. Trumps ideas of changes answer some of what Saker brought up in his Trump-Putin article.
Well, it is official: the zio-gay media have now appointed clinton as the next prez. No longer just a rumour.
Media Paints ‘Definite’ Victory for Hillary Two Weeks Ahead of Elections
https://sputniknews.com/us/201610241046646150-poll-hillary-victory-reuters-ipsos/
No need for elections in israel’s main colony from now on.
I don’t have a problem with what Trump had to say “per se” but …. is it just me? Not being an American, but someone who has watched that odd [ another version of exceptional I think] country, over the years, with increasing bemusement and disbelief, I see how the things that truly horrify as in the destruction of and theft from smaller countries is just another case of “As above – so below” or in this case “As below – so above”
Americans get pleasure from events where people get dressed up and sit roaring with laughter while someone gets insulted, mocked and belittled – and it appears can’t answer back. And this is … fun. Just a good clean laugh.
IN a weeks time, they will take their kids out dressing up as horrors, and teach them that it’s very socially acceptable to go up to homes they don’t know, uninvited, bang on the door and demand to be given unearned goodies, and if they dont get them, they’ll threaten do something damaging and harmful to said owner. And this is good. ??? Then the world wonders why they grow up banging some countries front door so to speak, demand the countries goodies, including obedience, and threaten to bomb them back to the stone age if they don’t get it.
Truly a weird, peculiar people.
I agree Isabella
The hot ‘roast’ is a unique and acquired taste of American humour.
Help. The whole American inspired freak show of Halloween is about to flood my neighbourhood.
I do not answer the door and I do not give strange kids lollies – OMG with so many kids with nut allergies who takes responsibility giving out bags of lollies contaminated with peanuts.
Your comment about Hallow’een is absurd. Hallow’een is an ancient Irish Festival also known as All Souls Day. As a child, like all of my peers, we called around the local homes dressed up seasonally with our ubiquitous plea; “Help the Hallow’een party” In due course, my own children did the same. And to this day, it continues. It is a harmless tradition which gives joy to the children and to many of the adults who give out chocolates and fruit and nuts traditionally. I have never heard of threats of any kind being made to those who do not contribute and that is certainly no part of the Irish tradition.
If this is how you see such childish things Isabella, you need to get over yourself. Not everything is negative in life.
I agree with Isabella.
The halloween tradition may have started out more innocent.
But how it has become today it gives out bad thoughtprocess.
Innocent small children getting candies is all well.
People having fun with costumes fun enough.
Byt mentality of “give us candy, or we have the right to mess you up” is definitly not right.
That such type of mentality gets implanted is just bad.
Who said i as a homeowner agreed to be ok with such type of extortions?
And why as a homeowner should i have to worry that alot of drunk nutjobs can end up puncturing tires, key cars exterior or theyve seen to much bad movies with strange ideas.
No thanks.
Irland have some good traditions, but this one is not necesarily a good tradition (atleast not what it has turned into many places in us).
Just curious here. Who was the guy behind Donald Trump’s right shoulder? The one with the ‘medals’? Was he some kind of Grand Duke of the Hapsburgs or ‘just a Knight of Malta’ or some other thingy that’s ‘just religious’?
It is a Catholic Charities event. The Knights of Columbus, Malta, whatever are big at these things.
Maybe Opus Dei, another high level Catholic org.
I truly believe that among the men in that room, only Trump has a shot at heaven. Most of the rest of them aren’t Catholic, they are practicing Khazarians, steeped in the tradition of greed and kleptocracy. And the Catholics are defenders of the corrupt and deviant.
Dolan has had many crucial opportunities as Cardinal to stand up and fight for values. He challenged Clinton to apologize for the Wikileaks information that showed her team was planning a color revolution on the Catholic Church in America. She did not apologize. He said “never mind” and went on with her as an honored speaker. As most Cardinals and Bishops are, he is corrupt, also.
So, Trump hit her hard after the “roasting” jokes. The room didn’t like it. Trump didn’t care. These are not his people. These are the residents of the swamp he intends to drain.
The zio-gays attack Trump’s daughter now.
All in the Family: Trump Attackers Go After Ivanka’s Business
https://sputniknews.com/us/201610241046645563-trump-attackers-hit-ivanka-business/
unfortunately the Catholics are also behind Hillary – lets face it – the Vatican is the mob –
in fact it was Catholics that gave Israel to those crazy Zionists – it was the Masonic Catholics aka Anglicans in British Parliament –
Anglicans are not Catholics in the commonly accepted meaning of Catholics ie, Roman Catholics.
To be fair, the Khazarians infiltrated the Catholic church leaders some hundred years ago. So they are not real catholic leaders.
Khazarians Is tracked back to around year 600-800 in north caucasus to the west of crimea.
They fought earlier russian empires.
They initially was in the caucasus area as theif and extortion artists, getting ransoms and money from any traveller passing by in the area.
Then eventually they “cleaned” it, by eventually forming a “country” and by setting up taxes and banklike systems and demanding money from all passing by. Still very thieflike behaviour.
Then the Alexander the Great (Christian) empire got strong in the west, and the Persian Empire got strong in the East (Muslim).
Both wanted to convert those thiefs.
Alexander and Persian empires was at war with each other.
That made it hard for the Khazarians,
For either they converted to Christianity and apeased with Alexander, but then get hostility by Persians.
Or they could convert to Islam and be at peace with Persian Empire, but then risk hostility with the Alexander.
The Khazarians was very coneyving/ and smart.
They found out that both Christianity and Islam respected Judaism (both Christianity and Islam recognize Judaism as the original 1st brother language).
So the Khazarians decided to declare that their new state religion was Judaism.
And declared all its innhabitants was forced to convert to Judaism.
(Even got _some_ imported real jews, so could intermarry to get some jew bloods and legacy).
But almost none in Khazarians (former caucasus) was real jews or had jew blood.
Must remember that it is impossible to convert to Judaism.
Only way to become a real hew is if you are born by a jewish mother.
Thats why real jews are both definition of a religion and a race.
These fake Khazarians jews dont have the Abraham bloodline.
And their path of destruction can me traced in events through the past 1000+ history.
They got eventually sacked by the Russians (around year 900-1100 i think), making them migrate to the west into europe.
Khazarians have laied a path of utter destruction from their coneyving backmen.
Century by century they have infiltrated more and more. Alot of the royal bloodline in the west got contaminated and replaced by Khazarians blood some hundred years ago. Including the current english monarchy.
They played both side of ww2, winning regardless.
They profit from destructions, and sell high to the winners and punchtures the loosers.
And they kill, bribe, blackmail, replace, set up their enemies or possible puppets.
Nowdays they usa nsa, media blackout, several part of military, almost all of democrat camp, big part of republican camp, most juridicial entities, almost all the cdntral banks in the world, as good as all the big banks, and etc etc etc.
They have infiltrated the jews. Most jews arent real jews, they are Khazarians.
So each time anyone says something against these pricks, they use the anti-semit card.
But they are not semitic, they arent children of Abraham. They arent of the book of the jewish people.
In usa, they have also infiltrated big christian leaderships. Protecting the Khazarians as if they were gods choosen people.
But in reality, Khazarians are not real jewish, they are the closest one will ever come to the demons of Hell.
They corrupt, they kill, they make up laws to destroy families, destroy values, confuse peoples compasses, get people to fight each other while they rob.
Society has fallen into cheating is now a norm.
Homosexualy is now a great thing,
2-income families are now a norm, so noone takes care of the children. In effect destroys familystructure. (Only banjs get rucher on that scheme. For 2-income society has only made houses more expensive)
That is so full of historical errors as I’ve ever seen. Just to mention one among many. Alexander the Great’s Empire was hundreds of years before both Christ’s time. And before the Khazar’s existed in that area. That error alone,should show the quality of the rest of that comment.
Was almost correct.
Alexander is obviously not correct. Proberly just a typo or mixed up one empire with another.
Should have said Byzantines [Roman Empire], Constantine Porphyrogenitus.
Other then that it seems to be correct
Not if you are looking at history it doesn’t ,little is true there. A few others among the many errors,Christianity and Islam were certainly not friendly to Judaism in those periods.It is possible to convert to Judaism.And most historians say only a portion of the Khazar converted to Judaism. Since it was known that there were Christians and Muslims recorded among them.I’m one of the people that believe that the Khazar did have an impact on the Eastern European Jewish population (that zionists deny). But history shows they were only a part of it. Not most of those people.One you deduct the errors,almost nothing is left of importance in it.
“Not if you are looking at history it doesn’t ,little is true there.”
Thats your words. I can just as easy say that little is true about what you wrote there.
If you check up history most of what he said seems to hold true.
So then im down to conclusion that most you are telling is not true.
“Christianity and Islam were certainly not friendly to Judaism in those periods.”
Again just your words.
If ones check historical archives and most importantly the religious books and the commandments/”laws” themselves, then your camuflaged pro-khazarians bs is mute.
Islam recognizes Christianity and Judaism as the books of same religion as Islam. (Or brothers if you will).
Christians did not recognize Islam, but recognized Judaism.
Christianity was not friendly with Islam, thats correct. And in return Islam was not friendly with Christianity.
Christianity recognized Judaism, as books of same religion.
Judaism did not recognize Christianity or Islam.
And jews has lived peacefull among muslims for many many centuries.
Even today many jews lives among muslims.
It is the modern western hatred and attack and genocides in middle east that has sturred up hate.
But nevertheless, all areas of the world has lunatics once in a while.
The christian countries has had Hitler, Clintons, Alot of very bloodthirsty warmongerers in europe (who claim to be christians, or claim to fight in Christianity. So crazy people who abuse religion against its own religion one sadly finds several places).
“It is possible to convert to Judaism.”
No it is not. Absolutly not!
It is popular myth in modern society that its possible, but you can only be a real jew if your mother was a jew.
Closest you can get to real converts would be if your mothers blodline was a jew and you had no religious affiliation. Then you can in theory “convert” religiously since you allready qualify requirement of your bloodline.
“And most historians say only a portion of the Khazar converted to Judaism.”
Yes they do.
But the leaders said all.
Its like many Christian countries, where the leaders converted the population by force.
For example the vikings in norway. Vikingleader took controll of the diffrent “states” in norway and forced the leaders to either convert their states to christianity or die.
Allthough leaders may die for refusing, it doesnt mean that all innhabitants really convert.
And even less can convert in spirit (being forced to a religion by force does not mean they actually embrace that religion in private).
But about Khazarians, that gets void since its not legally possible to convert non-semitic people to judaism.
“Since it was known that there were Christians and Muslims recorded among them.”
Yes thats correct.
Some before, some among, and some after.
Just like the west claims to be Christian countries, it also has many other faiths.
And just because leaders pronounce the country and its people are now jews, does not mean that everyone will “convert” that way.
(I dont know if non-jews got taxed higher).
But even after they “officially” converted they had muslim neighbours to the south (not part of Khazarians), and they had muslim neighbours to the east (some crossover into Khazarian lands)
“I’m one of the people that believe that the Khazar did have an impact on the Eastern European Jewish population (that zionists deny). ”
Agree. And recent bloodtests have confirmed.
Thats one of the headaches of the Kgazarians.
They can hide in the shadow of Judaism.
But with modern science one now know the dna structure of the semitic jews, and the Khazarians is not part of that bloodline.
Yes the real jews originally “race” may be washed out by mixibg with other races/people through many generations of people.
But one can still trace if they are from the jewish semitic bloodline.
And the khazarians are not.
The question becomes how many of the historybooks socalled jews are fake jews, and who of them where “the choosen people” (the real ones). Khazarians are like wolf in sheep clothings. They are not jews, period. (With exception of a very tiny tiny amount who actually travelled into Khazarians area).
Some estimates has it that its only about 5-25% real left, rest are imposters (or at best case scenario: naive and believes they are jews, but atleast maybe practices Judaism).
Who knows how few of the “jews” in Israel is actuall jews (real), and how many are real.
One can also wonder about the israel flag. The Israel flag has no historical reference from the religion. The israel flag has a bad omen to it. created by a fake jew and according to some represents 666. (6 points, 6 pyramids, 6 sided hexagon).
And sorry for medium english. English is my 3rd language.
Scott Adams-How the legally vote more than once: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152226715516/how-to-legally-vote-more-than-once
There are folks trying to persuade a non-vote for Trump which in this coming election means an effective vote for the Clinton pit of corruption. Scott Adams now explains their method and transform it for the patriots to safe-guard themselves and to use the method back against them.
Scott Adams is really interesting! :)
“Rohani: Elect Trump or Clinton is choose between bad or worse”
http://www.hispantv.com/noticias/politica/312118/rohani-elecciones-seleccion-malo-peor-trump-clinton
“Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said Sunday that the US presidential election involve a choice between “bad and worse.”
Rohani explained that when in September he attended the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) in New York (northeastern US), was asked who preferred : Hillary Clinton for the Democratic or Republican Donald Trump.
“In the United Nations (UN), a head of state asked me who he preferred, and I said if they had to choose bad before the worst or the worst rather than bad”, said the head of Persian government.
President Rohani, which spoke to a large crowd of people in the Iranian city of Arak, capital of the central province of Markazi- strongly criticized the tone employing the two leading candidates for the White House during the presidential debates and assured that all the world had realized “how they talk, how they accuse, and laugh”.
In his view, the United States, which boasts to his credit more than 200 years of democracy and 50 presidential elections during that period of time, is currently a “great and industrial” country with “no morality”, which, according to the Iranian president, it is evident in the debates between the two presidential candidates.
On October 20 the third and final debate Clinton-Trump took place, in which, as the previous two, both candidates attacked each other with the scandals surrounding both Clinton as Trump.
The spokeswoman of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Maria Zakharova, past October 19, called the election campaign for the US Presidency “world disgrace” and “catastrophe” and not worthy of American citizens.
Americans will choose the next November 8th the replacement of current President Barack Obama in the Oval Office of the White House. However, surveys show deep public discontent with both candidates: young Americans prefer the destruction of the world to Trump and Clinton.
This is the opinion of Iranian President Rohani and Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman, María Zakharova, but i have expressed the same several times already since the months you started campaigning so much for “The Donald”.
What nobody had commented here, and that I did not know, is what is said in the the last sentence, that young Americans prefer the destruction of the world to Trump and Clinton..
No wonder, since this forum is mostly of elderly people to whom youth could not care less, all you want is to preserve your assets…..
@Fatima Manoubia
No I want to see Killery/Shillery/Hitler beaten in a humiliating ego-crushing defeat And Then I want to see her sent Jail and further pilloried and finally for her to live a long frustrated life in obscurity where she couldn’t even order an insect to do her bidding let alone people.
Hanging on to my assets have nothing to do with it.
I don’t trust Trump nor am I impressed by his narcissism, but he’s not a murderer and totally sold out bribe taking piece of raping and rape/enabling trash like his opponent is. Hillary is the worst, guaranteed. Trump might be bad (or good) but he beats butcher-in-waiting autocrat puppet, Hillary.
Death culture of usa.. video games, films with murder, zombies on TV cult plus vampires…..surely an outward projection of their own persona’s.
Poem about Hell- iry written over 100 years ago.
Matilda Who Told Lies and Burned to Death
— Hilaire Belloc written in 1907
https://allpoetry.com/Matilda-Who-told-Lies,-and-was-Burned-to-Death