Peter Lavelle, Mark Sleboda, Alexander Mercouris and Brian Becker – how good can it get?!
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The Saker
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Peter Lavelle, Mark Sleboda, Alexander Mercouris and Brian Becker – how good can it get?!
Enjoy,
The Saker
Let’s get real. First of all, the Novorussian people, many Ukrainian people, and the Russian people, who are the same people, will not give the Donbass, Odessa, Kharkiv and Kiev up to Nazis, neoliberals and neofascists backed by the USA, Germany and Poland. The only question is how long will it take and what price will be payed. The time scale and the cost will be determined by the enemy. But the victory is already won. The issue transcends Putin, Russia – it is the issue of man’s humanity to man, freedom, love, socialism, religion, the future.
@Anonymous:Let’s get real. First of all, the Novorussian people, many Ukrainian people, and the Russian people, who are the same people, will not give the Donbass, Odessa, Kharkiv and Kiev up to Nazis, neoliberals and neofascists backed by the USA, Germany and Poland. The only question is how long will it take and what price will be payed. The time scale and the cost will be determined by the enemy. But the victory is already won. The issue transcends Putin, Russia – it is the issue of man’s humanity to man, freedom, love, socialism, religion, the future.
I completely agree, 100%. I am relieved that at least one person here sees this with such clarity. This is BY FAR the best (and shortest) summation of the current situation posted here in a long long time.
Thanks a lot!
The Saker
How the US and its acolytes ever thought they were going to construct a Nazi state alongside a country which smashed the SS and the Wehrmacht and killed the Thousand Year Reich stone dead will be seen as one of history’s great miscalculations. Too many people within the Beltway today did too much drugs at college. Wonderful precis above.
This event has given Russia the opportunity to pull other EU countries away from the US/UK orbit and show them where their bests interest lie-certainly not in sponsoring terrorism-being dragged into war over false flag events and having to sabotage your national economy on behalf of Wall Street and the City of London-the PEOPLE see this and if their bribed politician’s don’t wake up soon well they certainly do have some explaining to do-who shot down the Mylassian Plane- who committed war crimes Russia has the White Book this is going to drip drip drip until the alliance breaks up-the US is doing this because they are broke and going for broke-the world can’t let them.
Saker !
That’s a great talk…I really liked hearing about “Its not Putin driving Russia, its Russia driving Putin”
I’m always afraid that if something happened to Putin then Russia would become another poodle. Its great to hear that wouldn’t happen…
Although I’m still not convinced that Russia couldn’t be destabilized if Putin were to fall. (I think he’s greater than Napoleon)
Its always fun hearing Peter Lavelle and Mark. And now I know of two other great thinking people…Brian and Alexander…
But I wonder what is the ultimate goal of the US / Nato / Zionists / etc…what is their driving force ultimately ? I find it hard to believe that money and power could answer all their future needs and thoughts on Earth ? Like, what good does it do them to nuke Earth ? Or for that matter to have all of us as slaves ?
I wonder why it is that all the countries named by Anon #1 are crooked arrows and the Novos etc are straight arrows…
Corruption is one answer …
Sometimes it seems to me that Poland produces really crooked arrows…Brezinski is the father of Nato.
On an earlier post someone said the Scottish independence movement is a fraud. Writing from Scotland I would disagree. It now looks at least a 50/50 chance that it will go ahead. It is a striking contrast between the democratic response to a separatist movement in the UK and the fascist response of Kiev backed by NATO. If shelling Donetsk in response to their voting for independence is legitimate, should NATO be backing Cameron to threaten the bombing of Edinburgh and Glasgow?
It is out of the question.
The Real Evil Empire’s preference for fascists and Nazis as allies and shock-troops can hardly have been more plain, to everyone but the vermin of the Western MSM brainwashing apparatus. The Banderistas are not just the same as the Contras, the Operation Phoenix butchers, al-Qaeda, IS, the Colombian death-squads with their decapitations by chain-saw (if only IS were so ‘mechanised’) and myriad other ‘moral equivalents of our Founding Fathers’ as Reagan said (and Chomsky wryly observed that he was more correct than he realised)but they are also an hereditary gang of butchers. They descend from the WW2 generation of savages the remnants of which escaped to the West and were given sanctuary for over forty years until they could be unleashed again, as were the Croat and Slovenian fascists, the Bosnian heirs of the allies of the Nazis (the holy Izetbegovic fought with the Nazis)and the Baltic fascists whose butcheries even shocked the Germans. As long as the USA persists as the global redoubt for and patron of all Rightwing butchers, there will never be global peace.
semj off topic:
MH17
1) OVV spokeswoman Sara Vernooij told AFP: “It is certainly possible to draw meaningful conclusions without having been to the scene.”
2) A full report is not expected until mid-2015, it added.
Yep, this will be another one of those ‘thorough investigations‘ bc by then most ppl have all but forgotten about this flight.
Anyway, we already know the Russians did it…, coz…, well…, they’re evil [cough]… very evil…
Human evolution is the evolutionary process leading up to the appearance of modern humans.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/23/european-killers-enjoy-fascist-safari-in-ukraine.html
Kill ’em as much as possible…because there are just animals.
Interesting show. NATO using a 10000 man rapid deployment force to attack or threaten Russia is ludicrous. Doubtful that would be the role for it, should such a force be created. I think it would instead be used to threaten weaker countries, for example the countries around the edge of Russia under ZPC/NWO control should they decide to switch sides or become indy (like Egypt did). Also the force would be useful to bolster flagging quisling regimes whose population was being naughty.
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The Dutch MH17 preliminary report is out now.
Preliminary Report on MH17 Released, Crash Caused By Multiple External Penetration
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140909/192763263/Preliminary-Report-on-MH17-Released-Crash-Caused-By-Multiple.html
It says the bare minimum and doesn’t make claims about what shot down the airliner. But that didn’t stop the zio-media from vomiting their usual distortion propaganda:
Report: Flight 17 likely downed by outside impact (from AP)
“The preliminary report published Tuesday by the Dutch Safety Board stopped short of saying the Boeing 777 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile, but its findings appear to point to that conclusion.”
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@Anon You forgot to mention the UK and Israel. Please not that now that many masks are off, it’s the UK who is in the forefront of the assault. Obama could’ve and would’ve done much more to attack Russia – bu he hasn’t. And there is a reason for that.
It seems that NATO/Bilderbergers is aiming at big confrontation with Russia after 2106 elections in the US and NATO summit in Poland. They hope to have “their man” at the helm of the US war machine again and enough of the firepower on the Eastern by then to launch an attack. In Wales NATO showed how weak it is against real opponent.
But they are up for many surprises, including 2016 elections…
As always very good article from Thierry Meyssan. NATO is definitely up for no good, some massacres were probaly planned behind those closed doors…
NATO intends to prohibit Russia’s and China’s Development
Yes,
There is no way the Russian people or those of us Non-Russians who have Grandparents that fought racism at home and Nazism abroad are going to let this situation in Ukraine stand. There is a fight to had, not just in Ukraine, not just by Russians, but by all of those who want a better world. It’s time for our generation to ante up.
Reading the posts and comments on this blog helps me to understand that there are others out there willing to take a stand.
Incidentally, where is Sergey Glazyev on the recent developments in regarding Novorossiya? I am very curious as to his position.
I think Nora asked about articles on think tanks influencing the US foreign policy and instigating “color revolutions”. Tony Cartalucci’s web site is a good resource, e.g.:
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/search/label/color%20revolutions
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/11/how-to-start-wall-street-backed.html
Pat Lang has up a great post from source ‘TTG’ on the current ceasefire: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2014/09/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-ceasefire-ttg.html
Apparently, at least one Ukie nationalist is in despair at the thought that their support is not strong enough among the general public.
Interesting piece over at NSNBC.
US-led “Sea Breeze 2014” and Rapid Trident in Ukraine aim at more than containing Russia
I also recommend at least browsing the U.S. Special Warfare School’s Training Circular TC 18-01 to understand how wars like the one in Ukraine are controlled.
NatGeo recognizes Novorossiya on the map?
A Cease-fire Takes Hold in Ukraine as Territorial Questions Linger
MH17 Report – Reveals absolutely nothing and changes absolutely nothing.
The only thing I would say it has achieved is this – Russia knows that the West knows what happened (how could it not?), but Russia also knows that the West will stall and stall and stall on revealing the truth until an opportune time arises.
I in fact think it is likely that when the final report is handed down it will point the finger in the right direction – at those responsible who are clearly somewhere in the Ukrainian Junta.
Why will it do that?
At the time it is actually convenient to let the truth out – there will be people in Ukraine of an unsavoury nature who need to be removed from the power structure! That is at least the plan I can see that the West has.
Blame Russia and get as much mileage out of MH17 as possible to blame Russia, and then when the actual truth comes out – you can use it to take down internal enemies in the Ukrainian Junta.
The question then is – will Russia stand for this?
I would hope they don’t, but I’m not sure of the thinking in the Kremlin and whether they will put up by being the patsy in this situation much longer.
A few important meetings this week and in the next few weeks immediately spring to mind.
SCO Summit – Will Russia reveal the truth and lobby the other SCO Members to stand behind it?
Russia should do that – I certainly hope it does. But will it?
UN General Assembly (Week of September 22). I expect Putin will make an appearance here and this is the week Russia will say something firm and strong on the situation in Ukraine and MH17.
I expect everything Russia knows – particularly about MH17, but also about the wider situation centred on Ukraine, will come out here.
I have no doubt Russia will be looking for a broader coalition of support here to tell the West – and the US/UK/NATO in particular – to back off – or there will be consequences.
The side benefit of waiting another couple of weeks to issue some kind of ultimatum at the UN General Assembly (Of the vast majority of World Leaders I might add) is that Operation Rapid Trident in Ukraine is winding down that week and due to finish on September 26.
If you’re going to issue an ultimatum to the US/UK/NATO – better to do it when they’re about to withdraw from Ukraine, or have already left (depending on timings), than to do it just as they’re entering Ukraine.
In any case – the next 3 weeks will be very interesting, but I wouldn’t expect any serious escalation in September – that can wait til October/ November if the Russians feel diplomacy is failing, and seen to fail.
Dutch Release MH17 Findings – Militia Off the Hook – UkraineWar.info
Of course, we knew this from the start but the Dutch Safety Board couldn’t fake what has already been shown – there are a lot of bullet holes in the MH17 cockpit area.
And to think, all the grief, pain, and suffering of US-EU antagonism based on the initial and very wrong claim that the resistance militia with Russian knowledge and support brought down MH 17.
Re: Paul Cockshott and Scotland.
Cameron has already “threatened” Scots that if they vote “Yes” to Independence they will be more at risk of terrorism.
This is actually COMPLETELY WRONG. (Hardly surprising from a known charlatan like Cameron – I really hope Scots have been calling him out for this ridiculous assertion).
If Scotland were to decide on Independence and disassociate themselves from Westminster they would immediately be at less risk of terrorism. A small target who practices non-interference in foreign countries would hardly be an immediate target for the likes of ISIS.
Look back at history – do the likes of ISIS target small countries that are really no threat???
No – they go after the bigger countries that actually come and strike them – US (September 11), UK (7/7), Spain (Madrid Bombings).
These are no small countries.
Of course – if an Independent Scotland wrapped it’s foreign and defence policy close to the UK (as might well happen), well, really nothing will change on the terrorism front – but at least have the option of not doing that.
In 1990 Genscher & Baker promised: no expansion of NATO to the East.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXcWVTpQF3k
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/748731
Finland Italy and maybe Slovakia say yet to sanctions
The two most powerful warriors are patience and time.
Leo Tolstoy
September 9, 1828
Anonymous said…
Interesting show. NATO using a 10000 man rapid deployment force to attack or threaten Russia is ludicrous. Doubtful that would be the role for it, should such a force be created. I think it would instead be used to threaten weaker countries…
Exactly what I thought when I saw that. A 4000-10000 man force that travels light is not going to threaten Russia much. This is to threaten countries like Ecuador, Argentina, Bolivia, Zimbabwe etc and more especially the central Asian ‘stans.
There is not any reinvention of NATO , at least in its core . The rhetoric has simply changed as planned . Trying to bull the bear with an Arleigh Burke class destroyer and some 1000 fags is the joke of the day.
They planned and provoked this shit having in mind the alternatives . They are ready to pay the price in political and financial terms ( cause the blood price is already beeing paid by ordinary people as allways ) to the end for such a good eventual prey . Its in their nature.
The collapse of Ussr opened a huge field of opportunity for them in economic and geostrategical “wellfare” covered under bla bla for “democracy , human rights , open society ( means open legs).
You can ask my Greek opinion and my experience about NATO all the way from civil war to junta , Cyprus ….
I feel ashamed that my puppet government signed all the paparraza in NATO and EU about snctions , measures etc. I feel ungry at all the systemic medias of my country ( own by unsolvent oligarchs ) that feed the popolo with shit about this crisis.
But I can assure you that the vast ( and I mean VAST ) majority of the Greek people are against those fascist warmongers all the way and irrevocably.
The Greek supporter of the other day
I note that according to the MH17 preliminary report, the last communication from the crew took place from 13:19:56 to 13:19:59 UTC. It was an acknowlegment of some route instructions from ATC.
One second later ATC transmitted a “clearance to proceed”. No acknowledgments were received from the crew anymore. No distress signals either.
Three seconds later “both recorders stopped” at 13:20:03
The first tweet by Carlos (spainbuca) occurs in less than 2 minutes (at 21 min after the hour), according to this chronology of his tweets: http://slavyangrad.org/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/
Astonishingly quick. Second tweet at 24 minutes after the hour.
Video mentioned in the following vineyard comment about Carlos (@spainbuca) was very interesting, pics of him, his girlfriend in Romania, his presence in Romania and USA etc. Video has been eliminated.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/08/mh17-we-know-with-99-certainty-who-shot.html?showComment=1408111077913#c4607917023859281825
ProPeace
Thank you for the link. Terrific information on the NATO war machine. Psychopaths in uniforms determined to control all humanity.
Anti UE says
I think that the so called ” spearhead ” is an over exagerated threat . We have to think realistically , the duration of this ficticious threat , when the SHTF is dependent on the duration of the flight of an Iskander supersonic missile loaded with an HYperbaric warhead .
The same applies to the hundred or more US bases spread around the world . The beauty of the missile age is that Foreign military bases are actually a weakness and not a strenght in today warfare . Cheers . I appreciate your website, you are doing a good job for a good cause . Many thanks
It appears that the US does not wish for Codominium as described by Pourelle in his Sci-fi series
Great interview, thanks! I’m new to your site, Saker, and I’m impressed. I’ll come back.
Now that the Dutch have proven that water is wet, why don’t they insist on the ATC tapes from Kiev which were seized.
The tapes will prove the provenance of those “high energy objects”.
@Paul Cockshott. Scotland has not been occupied by a large IRA army offering unemployed Roman Catholics in Glasgow 5 times their dole money to join up.
“there are a lot of bullet holes in the MH17 cockpit area.”
No. They are impacts from a Kinetic Energy weapon (missile warhead) using cubes rather than rods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous-rod_warhead
They don’t miss. Bullets are for low level work.
there are a lot of bullet holes in the MH17 cockpit area.”
No. They are impacts from a Kinetic Energy weapon (missile warhead) using cubes rather than rods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous-rod_warhead
They don’t miss. Bullets are for low level work.
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How are these Kinetic Energy Weapons deployed: from the ground or by jet fighters?
hi Saker
I am from India and I could tell you that I totally agree with and with the statement by another anonymous ….”The issue transcends Putin,Russin- it is the issue of man’s humanity to man,freedom,love,socialis,religion,the future.”
As a matter of fact none of the above exist in USA. This country is totally degenerated. I don’t think there was/is/will be any culture or civilization at all. It can’t have because the foundation of this new USA land is based on a very perverted premises. It is my 23 years of experiences of this land. And in my opinion currently it is a new “Dharma Yudha” which would take a lots of lives and it should take because it is us all who let the “Adharma” takes over. The reasons are many but in short it is the “illusions by USA” under which most of the population got blind. But in the end it would be “Dharma” which wins and will win. We Indian in general and I in particular are very happy because of the arrival of Putin. One of the best example is the yudha(War) in Indian History “Mahabharata”. In the end Dharma had to stand up for Claiming and restablishing itself over “Adharma”. I think this is what we are witnessing in our lifetime…. It wouldn’t be easy but it would be won by EAST. West has never won a war… How it could. The Truth and Rightousness wins the war and the West doesn’t have it.
We should do and pray our best for the Journey on which The President “Putin” is on. Not many people can comprehend him. But in the end he would be winner mean the triumph of “Dharma”. He is just the representative of that for the entire Universe…
Nevertheless I enjoy your updates and thnx for that. In fact it just confirms my thinking and analysis. May be we have the same frequency… :)
Annunaki,
Kinetic energy weapons are typically deployed by missiles. Surface to air or air to air. SU 25’s, if they were around, do not carry them. They are exploded in front of the plane. The steel rods form a huge circle that cuts off or damages the wings. The cubes in the middle smash the front end of the plane. The pattern of holes on the cockpit is not structured regularly as if hit by cannon fire. The holes are scattered irregularly. This was done by a BUK, just like Strelkov said.
“Soarinto the sky said :@Paul Cockshott. Scotland has not been occupied by a large IRA army offering unemployed Roman Catholics in Glasgow 5 times their dole money to join up.”
We do however have the Orange order sending people over from Northern Ireland and promising a march of 10,000 through Edinburgh on saturday in support of the Union. I suspect the effect of this will be to strengthen the independence vote.
But in the case of the Donbass, the vote for Home Rule occured well prior to an army being organised. The Kiev govt responded by sending tanks in against unarmed civilians. London last did that to us in 1919. If they tried it now, after a vote for independence I have little doubt that the Scots would take up arms in response. That is why the democratic approach to the right to self determination is so important. Denying it leads to bloodshed and civil war.
This is something that has been recognised by all UK governments since Harold Macmillan’s ‘Winds of Change’ speach.
“But in the case of the Donbass, the vote for Home Rule occured well prior to an army being organised.”
Unless you are talking about the Crimea, this is completely contrary to the truth. The armed men with Russian accents arrived first. All those with titles beginning “People’s X” displaced elected (usually antimaidan and proreferendum) officials by killing them, disappearing them or forcing them to flee. The “referendum” was deeply inadequate by any standard. The same 1500 people, mostly retired, who turned up to other demos were the ones who appeared on camera queuing to vote.