Bad times for people in war zones, good luck to all.
Random thoughts, though I am not a economist. Considering Russia has top technology, probably in some govt labs, This is a chance to develop russian industry.
The minimum they should get a couple of food brands competitive.
The textile and Automobile – Could Russia loan the sukhoi designers and push the domestic car makers to be more competitive. Hypothetical – yes. The sanction opportunity are not going to last beyong a couple of years.
So why are EU doing this? How does this make sense?
Are there new (invisible) Russian troops in Donbass? Was the next Ukie attack delayed somehow and Russia is blamed for starting it anyway? Are they trying to push some more oligarchs into the “5th column”? Or is it USA narrowing the options of its colonies in EU?
Those that advised Putin to NOT send in the peacekeepers right at the beginning are now, correctly, being described as “traitors”- people who were acting as agents of the West all along, seeking to place Russia in the position it finds itself in today.
Remember- Day One Russian peacekeeper incursion meant:
1) no war in East Ukraine, so no mass destruction of property and infrastructure, no mass exodus of refugees, and no massive loss of life.
2) a single round of outrage and sanctions against Russia that could not have escalated, and would be winding down by now.
3) the rapid, peaceful division of Ukraine into two or more new nations, just as Czechoslovakia (with the full approval of the West) divided along ethnic lines to produce Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
Not sending in the peacekeepers means (just as the Demons that rule the West desired) that Putin is faced with a sore that never heals. The traitors are cheering that every bridge Putin built with the West is burnt, for instance.
Now, every day, the West uses the “when did you stop beating you wife?” tactic against Putin- and no matter how Putin ‘answers’ the West uses the response as excuse for more sanctions and demonisation.
Putin agreed to the recent ‘ceasefire’ treaty with Kiev (an utter humiliation for Russia) in an attempt to ‘ride out’ the duration of the NATO meet in Cardiff, but the end result was the US declaring full-on economic war against Russian oil exploration, and the current US led NATO military exercises in West Ukraine.
Putin’s dithering, and willingness to take advice from those who told him that the West ‘respects’ caution and inaction, has cost Novorussia any decent form of independence. Oh, for sure, Russia has no choice but to continue covertly backing a broken and bloody form of pseudo-independence for Novorussia- one that will continue to ruin the region for ordinary citizens- but this can never be anything better than a Pyrrhic victory now.
The Demons of the West have Russia on the ropes now, and don’t intend to allow Putin any form of easy escape. For sure, Putin can (TRULY) boast about Russia’s killer ‘punch’, but what use is a World-War class military advantage when the West chooses to use the ‘death by a thousand cuts’ strategy (punching below the belt)?
And remember, Ukraine isn’t Georgia. The vile and vicious neo-Nazi movements in Ukraine are powerful, influential, willing to fight to the death, and the best mates of NATO and Team Obama. They’ll be used to form an ‘ISIS’ equivalent in Ukraine- armed with the worst NATO has to offer- trained in nations like Poland- and sent against Novorussia like the West sends ISIS against Syria.
Answer this question honestly. Would you want YOUR family living in Novorussia under these circumstances? And yet, with a stroke of his pen, Putin could have had total victory- Russia’s military strength used for peace, not war.
I’ve been under the impression that Putin’s cautious moves have been due to his Asian pivot. China did not want to be seen partnering with someone that openly supported separatists as they have their own separatist issue. The price for Putin’s Chinese pivot was caution in dealing with Ukraine.
Don’t forget that Putin tried to get the separatists to hold off on their referendum, but he was ignored.
Throughout this whole thing, the west insisted that the separatists were working under Putin’s orders. No matter what he did or didn’t do, the response was just the same. Therefore, I have to agree with you. Much of this bloodshed could have been avoided.
A such sanctions could be seen as a declaration of war. I am sure that there many politicians in Russia who think the same way. Now we have to wait and see what’s next?
First of all, the only group that “Putin” or the RF needs to consider worthy of justification are those within the RF and their allies within the SCO and the BRICS.
Second, this is what may be described as a “long” play which is something that the “West” has all but abandoned in favour of “short” plays based upon speculation and deception.
Third, the “quick” intervention that so many seek would have been utterly catastrophic on many fronts. While many pine and ponder the loss of life thus far, the quick solution that so many advocate would have seen massive mobilization and exponentially more casualties. The EU would have been set ablaze by now and most certainly the conflicts would have not stayed isolated within Europe and/or Asia.
Summary: What we have been witnessing is nothing short of horrific, but it pales in comparison to what we could have experienced. In addition, the way this has played out, ignoring the propaganda and false narratives, has exposed the neocon/neolib economic/military agenda for what it is, a deceitful Ponzi scheme at best. Not only that but most of the players have not only been flushed out, but they have willingly self-identified with each other.
Many of us know that they are sociopaths and psychopaths that base their policies on ideology and that they care not for anything other than themselves. The more they force the majority to sacrifice, the less support they will ultimately have. Sooner or later they will be purged once a critical mass realizes this, but they will not rest until the global economy is completely decimated and looted. At the end of the day, so to speak, they will have accumulated a whole lot of worthless Fiat currency and other than an enraged and vengeful populous, that is what they fear most.
If enough of the citizenry can sort their own minor (in the bigger picture) differences out and push for reforms to the corrupt systems, within the system itself somehow, then humanity as a whole will prosper. If not, we will simply suffer at our own hands since we are the ones that allowed this to happen.
The “good books” can either lead one to “heaven” or “hell” but they are certainly used to justify almost everything that leads to either, depending on how one interprets them for their own gains.
Those that consider themselves “chosen ones” or “master race” or “exceptional” are the most dangerous, since they are self-appointed and self-anointed, as any Aboriginal and/or Indigenous and/or First Nations Person can attest…
Surely sanctions “can be seen as declaration of war”, but it seems better for VP to pretend not to understand, and provide remedies for each sanction, because “a war is what the Empire wants, and what he wants “is against our interests”. Let China keep growing, enter in WTO, let the empire do the first move.
I’ve said this on various Russian forums, and I’ll say it again here;
Russia needs: -Good quality control -Excellent design -Better organization -Less corruption
It already has the genii that can invent stuff by far superior to their western counterparts, but (as any other Slavic nation) lacks the organizational skills to implement the said inventions…perhaps it’s best to import brains in that department from Anglo/German countries or Japan. Nothing to be ashamed of, it’s something that everyone does or did in the past. Best be humble about it, and acknowledge the issue to better it.
Or even better, import brains from Slovenia or other Germanized(no offense intended) Slavic nation.
Every deep state message in the press from February to May was that the West was willing to accept Putin invading up to the Dnipr and Kharkov, maybe even Sumy and Chernigov too, so why just send in Peacekeepers to Donbass and take just 2 of the 4 or more Oblasts what you were being offered, leaving Kharkov and Zaporozhzia behind?
So you think an armed Russian invasion against a population that in the majority may have been against leaving Ukraine then is superior to inspiring the people to find their future on their own and without external use of force? You prefer Russia sinking to the level of America in ignoring and abusing international norms and national sovereignty while trying to inspire the rest of the world?
Dear Saker Here is from ITAR-TASS a photograph of an old not much attractive woman at the polling station in Russia. Since you are a Russian Please tell me whether all Russian woman look like this one? http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/749628
Technical question about Crosstalk headline: “Russia May Close Airspace In Response To Western Sanctions”. (Perhaps discussed in the program: I dislike the usual incivility of Crosstalk too much to suffer through it.) Does anyone know if Russia receives substantial transit fees for opening its airspace to western airlines ? If so, would the loss of these fees be more costly to Russia than the damage inflicted on western airlines ? I.E., would Russia be shooting itself in the foot to do this ? (Real question, truly don’t know the trade-offs.)
Anonymous with fixation of appearance: When you trot around Russia you will see many women like these. But then you will see them in Portugal, United States etc etc.
Ordinary people doing ordinary stuff. Is that worse than having some reality show superstar popping a ballot into a box?
“So why are EU doing this? How does this make sense?”
Because productive capitalism does not matter to financial capitalists, the financial Ponzi scheme is about to crash and I imagine the elites want to shift the blame to Russia for their own failure.
To all who have posted on this RT Crosstalk programme please follow this Youtube link to Evgeney Fedorov who explains what is about to happen to the Russian 5th colonists – Atlanticists. Basically you are either with us or against us. Those against us; well goodbye!
Besides that message this interview set outs the whole current US NATO EU Ukraine Russia crisis in a most precise and informative context.
Pushing the sanctions through despite the fact it looks like there might be some sort of ceasefire coming up, is, in my opinion, completely in line with everything we have seen so far: the demonisation of Putin and everything sympathetic to Russian.
It shows clearly that the conflict, Putin, is just just as an excuse to put sanctions in place. It proves to me that the objective is not to stop the war.
So what is it then? Well, first of all it is clear that the EU is USA’s biatch.
Reasons have been discussed many times, I think the sanctions are meant to:
– destroy / disrupt economic ties between EU and Russia – make EU less dependent on Russian oil and gas in order to give the US an opportunity to start controlling the Eu even more
but the most important one I think is trying to extend the life of the dollar by destroying the Euro. I think the sanctions are just the beginning of the pain that is to come over Europe.
With the nazi’s in Kiev, it would not surprise me of the nazi-sentiment would gain traction in the rest of the EU when the crisis starts deepening fast and furious over the winter months.
Putin said it: there will be war in Europe. Meanwhile, he can just sit back and watch the Europeans kill off each other. ISIS is standing by to help, should the Europeans not manage by themselves.
While it seems these sanctions are aimed at Russia I suspect the true target is the EU. US capital has no love for German, French or Italian competitors. As we have less and less fish in the western seas the sharks start to eat each other. Russia can and will turn to Asia but Europe can turn nowhere. Its only way is to totally submit to the US hegemony. Or rebel if they still have some man with spine left.
“Here is from ITAR-TASS a photograph of an old not much attractive woman at the polling station in Russia.”
Of course! They’re ALL over 65 years old…none younger! Don’t bother to visit to find out for yourself…being among the best educated in the world, you’d stoick out like a sore thumb. (PS…Russian and Ukrainian women are SMOKIN’ HOT…some of the prettiest in the world…those hauntingly beautriful slavic features are to die for…I got one myself and am verrrry happy). Stay away…you’ll give a bad name to us foreigners that do visit! Nard
Taking it just a mini-step further, anything encouraging any group of people to believe in their superiority or the “rightness” of their own ways has within it the same horrific potential. It doesn’t take too many steps to start considering anyone else inferior enough to treat differently. And that there’s a lesson our propagandists have learned all too well and are certainly using to keep us all divided.
A good case in point would be scapegoating one or another group for the deterioration pervasive throughout all levels of American society. Corruption, violence and sexual immorality, for example, are genuinely bi-partisan in nature and our current efflorescence of both was neither “caused by” or “limited to” blacks or liberals, for gosh sakes! And the truly sad part is that so many people still buy into this nonsense, thereby keeping us all quite conveniently divided and blaming each other rather than seeing clearly how we’re all in the same boat and fighting for an oar rather than throwing the slavemasters overboard and using theirs.
Anonymous 13:58,
If you’ve bought any “American” product lately, you may have recognized that we too need good quality control, excellent design, better organization and less corruption… ;~)
Imo, Russia is more likely to succeed in this arena than we are to the extent that their major emphasis is on the product produced, rather than merely quarterly profits. And the know-how required, imo, is far more dependant on training than ethnicity.
Anonymous 14:43, 14:50,
That the Empire uses propaganda is hardly news: have they ever, *ever* not?
The truly newsworthy event hasn’t happened yet, and may never: that would be when we stop falling for it. As evidenced daily by all too many comments right on this blog, the more subtle stuff playing to people’s fear of challenging their own myths and (deliberately inculcated) misunderstandings is still quite effective.
There are many beautiful women in Russia. This woman is not young anymore and she may have done the impossible more than once in order to feed her children and pay the bills. If she is retired she survives on a very small pension. Show some respect.
Looks like Paul Craig Roberts is another reader of this blog and I agree with him. A defense is a proactive strong defense. The war is with the US and even Putin agrees with that part since he said the US will only stop if the status of the US$ is removed. The thing is, the one who is left standing is the winner, so what ever Russia does, it weakens the US$ but it also weakens Russia even more. The next round Russia is far weaker.. The US has a lot more standing power.
Russia should have gone on a war footing after the 2nd round of sanctions hit, after the 3rd round it should have issued an alert for imminent Nato attack. I dont mean a hot war but preparing the Russian economy and people for war. Unlike Germany which did not even think things were serious until well into 1943 and switched into a war mode.
Since nothing Russia does will matter to the US and hence the EU. We already know after the 2nd sanctions that the leaders of the EU are handicapped or maybe blackmailed and threatened to do exactly as the empire wishes. By now Russia should have been able to do without the west, accepting only Rubbles for gas supplies. Moving all offshore funds and liquidating and reducing European investments and other things that countries at war do. The doctrine that the US is following is well known so its not like we don’t know what is coming.
Although we can only guess and think we know what to do, we really have no idea what options Russia really have or how prepared they really are. Adn we can see Russia trying to find alternatives but it sure is acting too friendly to people who want to destroy it, It should be barring some teeth while uttering kindly words and not act like an English butler, act like what the US is making Russia and Putin out to be. This is not a pleasing contest to see how many people you get to like you, this is life and death for millions. Make the Europeans ponder if this is going to be their last day on earth.. Not with direct threats since they can do the same but you got to show you are not a push over because they are much bigger than you..
PCR says all this much better than me. But after all we ourselves are not in danger and we are not paying the price so we can a lot of things. When it is our own turn we might not do what we think should be done.
The new Syncretic Studies piece, Pravy Sektor as ISIS, is interesting. It is one possible route to further chaos for US/NATO. A simpler way to go would just be to prop up the next ‘legitimate’ government (which is shaping up to be much more pro-war and hard right than even the current version). Since the DPR and the LPR are going to have to go full on to the left (i.e., communist/socialist) to move forward politically and economically, I don’t think the US will use the Pravy Sektor coup strategy, because Novorossiya elements are losing that ‘hard right Russian fascist’ putative chargeability (as Flores reminds us, i.e., exit of Strelkov/Gubarev formally). The kind of “supporting all sides in a haze of confusion” that they are pulling off in the Middle East might not work in a European context. Plus, when ‘Nazis’ really do become the enemy, it validates ‘Russian propaganda’ and deflates a solid year’s worth of narrative that many in the milpolinteledugovcorp classes actually believe. Imagine their shock when they learn that ‘Russian propaganda’ was actually ‘western democratic values’ all along . . .
The item anon at 14:43 provided a link to provides an excellent recap of the overall scope of the Russian elections. That 63 of 69!! political parties participated shows the current great diversity available to voters unlike the vast majority of Western nations. I’d say the pictured woman is representative of her age group, but only she looks like her.
Apparently, only two parties outed themselves as 5th columnists, Yabloko, and A Just Russia, in Moscow and St Petersburg, respectively.
The “big picture” as I see it of today looks like this: Ever since the US has decided to groom Russia to be the big enemy again that the Soviet Union was they have taken numerous steps to make it so. Additionally this goes with the aim of destroying all the countries which made trouble not only to the US but to Israel as well. Two birds with one stone. (Think of Libya, Iraq, Egypt etc.). Let’s ask the question what Ukraine has to do with IS. On the surface nothing. However… When the US wanted to bomb Syria not only did the UK not play ball but even the US Congress didn’t agree. And to add insult to injury Putin came along with a peaceful solution by Assad giving up all chemical weapons. The US could not forgive that. For revenge and for generally getting their plans into action they took a lot of trouble to get the conflict in Ukraine flying. As a result the EU (And US and NATO) were set against Russia and the sanctions carousel was started. This is working away just now but it needs more umph. Back to the Syria problem. IS was created and let loose (Almost all of the fighters don’t know who they are working for). The point of it? It will allow not only to concentrate all islamists and bomb them to hell, it will also allow the US to bomb Syria to hell and get rid of Assad. (Just as a vote was needed in Congress this time as if on order there were the IS beheadings and Congress immediately agreed to bomb IS). Assad gone, IS gone which just played the role of cannon fodder, a pipeline from Saudi Arabia will go through Turkey and into Europe with which the European gas needs will be satisfied. (Hopefully the Russian base in Syria won’t be used to start a war with Russia?) This then allows increased sanctions by which all Russian export of gas will be stopped and Russia will loose a lot of money. Europe will be properly separated from Russia and European business considerably limited taking unwanted competition off the market. So… what will happen to Ukraine? Will it still matter at all? Will there be more war? I don’t know. Maybe the US will allow the East to be separated and pocket the rest as after all Eastern Ukraine might have a certain value but not that much? That remains to be seen. Certainly Ukraine will not be allowed to be a hinge between Russia and Europe. So either all of it or Ukraine minus the East will be all Western, join the EU and possibly Nato. The wall they want to built will really mean something. Unless of course the conflict will be used to start a war with Russia which remains to be seen. That, of course, would solve all our problems.
Russia needsto create an alternative to Youtube: MOSCOW, September 15. /ITAR-TASS/. Video hosting YouTube has blocked the account of Russian channel LifeNews.
The only TV I watch nowadays is The Vineyard. Own up Anons,who the hell are you?Inbred cowards never given a name or the ability to make one up? XbNB,,,,,,,,,,,see?
Paul Craig Roberts says Russia’s response has been too weak, and that this has been caused by a fifth column in the Russian government. Here he suggests some stronger measures that Putin should take, including turning off natural gas to all NATO countries, or insisting that all payments for gas be made in rubles.
We don’t think much about what sanctions really are and the damage they can do. I was awakened last fall with this excellent article by Andrew Cockburn in Harpers. “A Very Perfect Instrument.”
“I’ve said this on various Russian forums, and I’ll say it again here;
It already has the genii that can invent stuff by far superior to their western counterparts, but (as any other Slavic nation) lacks the organizational skills to implement the said inventions…perhaps it’s best to import brains in that department from Anglo/German countries or Japan. Nothing to be ashamed of, it’s something that everyone does or did in the past. Best be humble about it, and acknowledge the issue to better it.”
????SPUTNIK, GARGARIN, MIR, helo’s that work in all conditions (unlike US choppers), best combat aircraft in the world for the price (and maybe regardless of price)? Just for starters! Nard
I left out something from my post. I checked all of the names mentioned in the Harper’s column on sanctions. Almost all of the people involved in this “almost hidden and almost independent” agency are Zionists. The damage comes not just from high officials but from what I think of as “water cooler” discussions or sharing attitudes in the bar after work. The government is saturated with destructive influences.
The Dutch authorities are also full-on nutcases. They have recently returned Crimean Scythian gold artifacts that were on loan for display in Amsterdam. They have been sent to Kiev rather than Crimea. Russia cares a great deal about its cultural heritage, so this is a real poke in the eye. How long will it be before they disappear into some oligarch’s private collection?
@Alien Tech: “Looks like Paul Craig Roberts is another reader of this blog & I agree with him.”
I don’t know if PCR (a Reagan era official with blood in his hands) is a reader of this blog. But PCR’s suggestions that Russia should turn-off gas supply to west Europe, or send troops to east Ukraine to teach USA+Europe a lesson IS NOT WISE ADVICE. This is a war, and war is won by that side who display long-term staying power and don’t get into temptations of quick win.
@Alien Tech: “The next round Russia is far weaker.. The US has a lot more standing power.”
Will suggest you to look into economical statistics of World’s top 10 economies, and find which countries have maximum debt and rate of GDP growth. You will conclude exactly the opposite way what you have done here. Moreover, French Monarchists & Napoleon in 1810s as well as German Nazis & Hitler in 1940s also thought about Russia’s weakness … only to find what strength it possess!
@Alien Tech: “Unlike Germany which did not even think things were serious until well into 1943 and switched into a war mode.”
Well, William Shirer said, only Germany was serious about the war right from mid-1930s. It seems, the history is again getting newly created here !
@Anonymous 16:54: “Europe will be properly separated from Russia and European business considerably limited taking unwanted competition off the market.”
One of the main objective of the AngloZionist Plutocracy is to ruin growing business of west European Oligarchy (mainly German+French+Italy) and bring them under USA-based Oligarchy-cum-Global Plutocracy controlled ‘Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership’ regime by 2016 …
“Swedish government hostility to Russia is shocking.”
It is not the Swedish government. Carl Bildt, Swedens prime embarrassment in todays international politics, somebody who talks too much, a US lackey, a man with very little understanding and a limited education, did try to stop the sale of the building, but failed. He does not rule over the courts and that is as it should be. My guess is that one of Swedens experienced diplomats had a long serious talk with him. Carl, being uneducated and suddenly a very rich man, his money came from nowhere, does not have the skills to come up with this alone. He reminds me of Bliar.
When Swedish airspace recently was invaded twice, the media hinted it was done by Russia. Of course it did. To put an end to the rumours, Carl Bildt told us two Polish planes had done it. I don’t like the man, but some things he does right. Poles, please stay out of our air space. Try to learn the maps.
Carl and his party lost the recent national elections. You can all rejoice as I do, but don’t hold your breath. The Social Democrats are also servants of the Empire. They are frequent visitors at the US Embassy. Sweden is an Imperial colony and so is the whole EU. If you are European and a regular on this blog, you will probably understand.
The answer (and propaganda) are no surprise, of course. What’s a bit more interesting is William Paterson, the con man associated with the (unbelievably ill-conceived) Darien project, was also involved in the founding of… ta dum… the Bank of England. You can’t make this stuff up.
Carl Bildt involved in political corruption scheme.
A Swedish newspaper is investigating Carl Bildt’s links to former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili. A former Cabinet Minister Georgi Khaindrava says the Swedish foreign affairs head covered up murky deals for the Georgian President
Among many other news items provided, it documents the latest nazi violations of the ceasefire, an elementary school was shelled. There is also an updated forces position map of the regions. It shows the Novorussians have pulled back from Mariupol and extended their area further from Donstsk and Lugansk.
Among many other news items provided, it documents the latest nazi violations of the ceasefire, an elementary school was shelled. There is also an updated forces position map of the regions. It shows the Novorussians have pulled back from Mariupol and extended their area further from Donstsk and Lugansk.
It already has the genii that can invent stuff by far superior to their western counterparts, but (as any other Slavic nation) lacks the organizational skills to implement the said inventions…perhaps it’s best to import brains in that department from Anglo/German countries or Japan.
Russia’s biggest problem (as well as our own) is the Adam Smith-Royal Society-Globalist Internationalist Parasite and Semetic economic system that defines all truly valuable things entirely out of existence.
Q. How are local ownership and control of resources, or a clean environment, reflected in GDP numbers?
A. They aren’t. If anything local ownership and a clean environment benefits local people and is therefore counted as a negative against GDP which only refers to how much Capitalist Parasites can put into play in their vast sytem of economic theft and resource rape.
The whole of our economic system and the contemporary Econo-Men currently pouring out of multiple Brainwash Universities do not understand that Economics, as taught, is not a Science. At best it is a social science akin to history or geography and is basically no more measurable than popular culture.
What is valuable to Russia (independence, local control, spiritual strength, healthy people) will always be counted against fake GDP numbers proffered by 5th column ‘Atlanticists’
In the Adam Smith school of Econo-Man, war is profitable. This means so long as you subscribe to fake Anglo-Zionist economic mythology you will always have war.
In the Adam Smith school of Econo-Man, when you destroy a forest and the people who live within it, this will improve GDP and earn you kudos from the United Nations.
Not only is our media Anglo-Zio-centric, so too is every aspect of our culture. The reason I almost never watch RT or any other broadcast media is because they have already ceded all important ground to the Globalist Parasites. RT is playing on the margins, as it must but it will only strengthen the AZ Empire in the long run. RT is a cheap imitation of Western standards and Russia will never beat the West by manufacturing cheap imitations.
Russia needs to go its own way, culturally and if it does, I predict the Europe of Alain Soral and Marine LePen will follow very soon.
20 more years.
That’s how long it will take for Russians to blow the lid off the Anglo-Zionist culture scam and set their own course.
There is no short game for Russia. Putin plays for the 21st century or not at all.
I am glad Paul Craig Roberts is around and writing, as he punlicizes some imortant truths, informed by some inside knowledge. That said, he has his own ideology and blind spots, as do most other people.
The question of what Russia’s responses should be and should have been is very problematic, and the principle of overdetermination comes into full bloom here. Even in retrospect it is not clear how the various options would have played out.
Yet, it seems the Russia’s position and the situation in Ukraine and Novorossia are stronger now, and US/NATOs’ position significantly weaker, which might well have not been the case if other actions were taken — in fact other scenarios might have been disastrous or catastrophic.
It’s still rather chaotic, and psychopaths are still running the West. As such, adherence to time honored principles such as ‘just war’, law and justice, the generally peaceful principles as expoused by most religions, and a conservative approach, seem to be reasonable. Introducing more unpredictibility into chaos does not seem wise to me. One step at a time, and keep as much political and strategic space, and flexibility, available as possible (cf hypermodern chess, and Nimzowitsch’s principles — see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermodernism_(chess) and transpose the ideas into geopolitics — and toss in some Sun Tzu).
The sanctions being imposed on Russia seem almost the antithesis of smart thinking: the result of impetuous ideology, blindness, immaturity, dissension within western powers, gross stupidity, and hubris. In fact, it’s the sort of things one might expect from a Hollywood script writer. But this ain’t no Saturday night movie, or Wide World of Wrestling exhibition. This is reality, and that’s something the US has long disconnected itself from.
If I was Russian I would just take this as a great opportunity to boycott European foods & other goods in general. Make Western workers & employers howl! You lost your job? Blame Merkel, Hollande & Cameron!
What strike me in this crosstalk is a quick mention that 1.6 bln offshore disappeared & nobody knows when and how. If you put it together with ukraine corrupted government and the fact that they are asking for more money and Canada is giving in a “blink of an eye” that makes the whole thing even more weird. All this zombi patriots wanting the war to murder simple civilians , Hunt Juda having an office offshore to start oil industry development in Donbas, Nato with their stupid demands. I don’t blame folks from Donbas who doesn’t want to do anything with Kiev. Such a murderous confusion.
Economics as now “taught” is nothing more than inculcation in an a-historical ideology. Even the writings of Adam Smith — *who set forth the need for regulation to prevent monopolies* — have been turned on their head. Nobody knows or reads what the man himself actually wrote: just like with Talmud or the Scofield Bible, they only see commentaries designed to distort and destroy the original message.
Putin is not a young man: who knows how much long game he’s got. At this point, just pray he is able to live out his natural life-span and that he will be followed by worthy successors.
Adam Smith — *who set forth the need for regulation to prevent monopolies* — have been turned on their head.
You’re absolutely right. Good ideas get turned on their head. Always. I was reffering to the deified Adam Smith of the econo disinformation bubble.
Our entire system is constructed according to the good ideas of very bright people. Parasites play the critical role of middle men. They steal credit, economic benefit or both. Copyright law, for example, is not about protecting artists. These are legal conventions that allow parasites to continuously feed off the brilliant creativity of a few talented people who in many cases end up broken or dead.
I’m only asking people consider the values behind our supposedly neutral economic worldview. Adam Smith would undoubtedly think it critical.
From a comment on Zero Hedge. Best analogy I have seen yet regarding why Russia will not cut off Europe’s gas this winter
Mon, 09/15/2014 – 17:22 | 5220039new SDShack
Vote up! 2 Vote down! 0 Because Russia has a contract to supply a certain amount of gas to Europe, and they will not break that contract. To do so undercuts the entire Russian strategy a being a reliable energy supplier. If Russia cuts off the West in violation of contract, then that just gives the West the ulitmate excuse to invade Ukraine to “ensure” the current flow of energy, and Syria to “ensure” the future flow of energy so Russia can’t do it again in the future. Russia will just cut the flow that Ukraine is supposed to pay for, but is not. The fact that Ukraine is “stealing” their share (thus reducing the flow to Poland) isn’t Russia’s problem… it’s Warsaw’s. Poland should be forcing Ukraine to stop stealing gas they aren’t paying for. It’s like a river with a dam owned by a utility to supply you water in the dry season. You live downstream, and your neighbor lives upstream, and you both need the same amount of water. Your neighbor doesn’t pay, so the utility reduces the flow through the dam by 1/2. But your upstream neighbor keeps taking the same amount of water, so you are left dry. The problem isn’t with the dam owner, it’s your neighbor. The bottom line is you have to pay for what you use whether you are upstream or downstream.
There are several reports floating out,that a powerful group of Russian oligarchs are in Kiev negotiating with Poroshenko, to sell out Novorossii.Stop the volunteers from Russia and military assistance.Allowing Ukraine’s army to destroy the NAF or strangle them out by attacks and blockades.If true,and the sources I’ve seen are pro-Novorossii,wouldn’t they have to have Putin’s OK to do it.Was this the results of Minsk and the ceasefire.Is Putin making a choice to sell Russia’s friends to the neo-nazis.Does he not realize with this being known.That if its true, Russia won’t be able to get a single outside Russian to trust them again.And their current friends,will in most cases desert them.Could this just be a trick to expose 5th columnists in the open.Or is it real,and a dastardly move on Russia’s part.If the sources weren’t so pro-Novorossian I won’t even believe it at all.But we will see shortly if its true I guess. To go along with that bad news Poroshenko made a “peace offer” that only a fool would even consider to respond to.He offered partial self-rule.Only in the areas the NAF control now.And only for a 3 year period.He offered,in that area for Russian to be an official language.But nothing about anywhere else,and it appears only for the 3 year period.Also a form of amnesty.I feel dirty just typing those terms out they are so disgusting.
What’s the point of watching BBC, CBC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and (in particular) Fox or other such corporate propaganda machines if you can watch programs like this one on RT? Or on Global Research? Reality is more interesting than fiction or the most clever propaganda. All human beings ultimately crave reality–wherever they can get it.
This is the smoking gun that the west colludes with ISIS and it’s a bait and switch to take out Assad so Qatar can build their pipeline with a terminus in Haifa!
Just like America prefers ISIS over the weaklings in the Free Syrian Army don’t be surprised if Kerry/Obama give the green light for a far right coup. They don’t go for half measures. Those Moskals in the east need to be put down before the first snow
Anyone thinking Pol Pot Shenko will be overthrown or murdered before the elections?
There are times when I think that western leaders are on drugs because their decisions look so “weird” and not related to reality. Definitely they do not care about their citizens’ interests!
All I need to know about the unelected EU-representatives in the EU Commission is that they reside on the 13th floor of the most ugly building in Brussells and that all males, except two, have male partners at home. These people are degenerates. Long ago, I visited Tallinn in Estonia and saw no 33 as the only modern and up to date house in one important street.
This is not about the Jews, this is about the Masons/Illuminists/illuminatis. The 13th floor and no 33. Don’t blame the Jews for everything.
Bad times for people in war zones, good luck to all.
Random thoughts, though I am not a economist. Considering Russia has top technology, probably in some govt labs, This is a chance to develop russian industry.
The minimum they should get a couple of food brands competitive.
The textile and Automobile – Could Russia loan the sukhoi designers and push the domestic car makers to be more competitive. Hypothetical – yes. The sanction opportunity are not going to last beyong a couple of years.
Nupura.
So what.
A bit off topic here, but are there any plans to resume regular Novorossiya SITREPs?
I’ve seen reports of resumed shelling around Donetsk. Would be good to get some updates here again on recent developments on the ground…
Do not close the space, increase the fees.
Croat and Russophile
Death to the empire of lies and deceptions.
I have just checked my mailbox: 4848 spams, nevermind phishing.
THE NEW WORLD ORDER – A 6000 Year History – HD FEATURE FILM :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-klNO-AjW6M
Written in Croatian
Copy and paste
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U Ukrajini su zapocele NATO vojne vjezbe.
Ruske novine Itar-Tass
su napisale naslov
International military exercises started in Ukraine
Medjunarode vojne vjezbe pocele u Ukrajini..[ sic ]
Ako je Rusija puna domacih petokolonasa onda neka propane…
Medjunarodne bi bile da su dosli iz Latinske Amerike, Kine…Afrike..
O tempora o mores…..cak ni natovci ne zovu ove vjezbe International.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/749562
So why are EU doing this? How does this make sense?
Are there new (invisible) Russian troops in Donbass? Was the next Ukie attack delayed somehow and Russia is blamed for starting it anyway? Are they trying to push some more oligarchs into the “5th column”? Or is it USA narrowing the options of its colonies in EU?
Thoughts anyone?
Those that advised Putin to NOT send in the peacekeepers right at the beginning are now, correctly, being described as “traitors”- people who were acting as agents of the West all along, seeking to place Russia in the position it finds itself in today.
Remember- Day One Russian peacekeeper incursion meant:
1) no war in East Ukraine, so no mass destruction of property and infrastructure, no mass exodus of refugees, and no massive loss of life.
2) a single round of outrage and sanctions against Russia that could not have escalated, and would be winding down by now.
3) the rapid, peaceful division of Ukraine into two or more new nations, just as Czechoslovakia (with the full approval of the West) divided along ethnic lines to produce Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
Not sending in the peacekeepers means (just as the Demons that rule the West desired) that Putin is faced with a sore that never heals. The traitors are cheering that every bridge Putin built with the West is burnt, for instance.
Now, every day, the West uses the “when did you stop beating you wife?” tactic against Putin- and no matter how Putin ‘answers’ the West uses the response as excuse for more sanctions and demonisation.
Putin agreed to the recent ‘ceasefire’ treaty with Kiev (an utter humiliation for Russia) in an attempt to ‘ride out’ the duration of the NATO meet in Cardiff, but the end result was the US declaring full-on economic war against Russian oil exploration, and the current US led NATO military exercises in West Ukraine.
Putin’s dithering, and willingness to take advice from those who told him that the West ‘respects’ caution and inaction, has cost Novorussia any decent form of independence. Oh, for sure, Russia has no choice but to continue covertly backing a broken and bloody form of pseudo-independence for Novorussia- one that will continue to ruin the region for ordinary citizens- but this can never be anything better than a Pyrrhic victory now.
The Demons of the West have Russia on the ropes now, and don’t intend to allow Putin any form of easy escape. For sure, Putin can (TRULY) boast about Russia’s killer ‘punch’, but what use is a World-War class military advantage when the West chooses to use the ‘death by a thousand cuts’ strategy (punching below the belt)?
And remember, Ukraine isn’t Georgia. The vile and vicious neo-Nazi movements in Ukraine are powerful, influential, willing to fight to the death, and the best mates of NATO and Team Obama. They’ll be used to form an ‘ISIS’ equivalent in Ukraine- armed with the worst NATO has to offer- trained in nations like Poland- and sent against Novorussia like the West sends ISIS against Syria.
Answer this question honestly. Would you want YOUR family living in Novorussia under these circumstances? And yet, with a stroke of his pen, Putin could have had total victory- Russia’s military strength used for peace, not war.
I’ve been under the impression that Putin’s cautious moves have been due to his Asian pivot. China did not want to be seen partnering with someone that openly supported separatists as they have their own separatist issue. The price for Putin’s Chinese pivot was caution in dealing with Ukraine.
Don’t forget that Putin tried to get the separatists to hold off on their referendum, but he was ignored.
Throughout this whole thing, the west insisted that the separatists were working under Putin’s orders. No matter what he did or didn’t do, the response was just the same. Therefore, I have to agree with you. Much of this bloodshed could have been avoided.
A such sanctions could be seen as a declaration of war.
I am sure that there many politicians in Russia who think the same way. Now we have to wait and see what’s next?
Off topic, a NEW COOL SONG.
Америка вон !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dpom38sDcU&list=UUy8lfgx23FCO54Rn7gEEeig
Just an observation directed at the naysayers.
First of all, the only group that “Putin” or the RF needs to consider worthy of justification are those within the RF and their allies within the SCO and the BRICS.
Second, this is what may be described as a “long” play which is something that the “West” has all but abandoned in favour of “short” plays based upon speculation and deception.
Third, the “quick” intervention that so many seek would have been utterly catastrophic on many fronts. While many pine and ponder the loss of life thus far, the quick solution that so many advocate would have seen massive mobilization and exponentially more casualties. The EU would have been set ablaze by now and most certainly the conflicts would have not stayed isolated within Europe and/or Asia.
Summary: What we have been witnessing is nothing short of horrific, but it pales in comparison to what we could have experienced. In addition, the way this has played out, ignoring the propaganda and false narratives, has exposed the neocon/neolib economic/military agenda for what it is, a deceitful Ponzi scheme at best. Not only that but most of the players have not only been flushed out, but they have willingly self-identified with each other.
Many of us know that they are sociopaths and psychopaths that base their policies on ideology and that they care not for anything other than themselves. The more they force the majority to sacrifice, the less support they will ultimately have. Sooner or later they will be purged once a critical mass realizes this, but they will not rest until the global economy is completely decimated and looted. At the end of the day, so to speak, they will have accumulated a whole lot of worthless Fiat currency and other than an enraged and vengeful populous, that is what they fear most.
If enough of the citizenry can sort their own minor (in the bigger picture) differences out and push for reforms to the corrupt systems, within the system itself somehow, then humanity as a whole will prosper. If not, we will simply suffer at our own hands since we are the ones that allowed this to happen.
The “good books” can either lead one to “heaven” or “hell” but they are certainly used to justify almost everything that leads to either, depending on how one interprets them for their own gains.
Those that consider themselves “chosen ones” or “master race” or “exceptional” are the most dangerous, since they are self-appointed and self-anointed, as any Aboriginal and/or Indigenous and/or First Nations Person can attest…
DumpHarper!
http://syncreticstudies.com/2014/09/15/pravy-sektor-coup-as-isis-scenario-nato-to-feign-a-unilaterial-alliance-with-russia/
Saker, above is a link to possible US move in Ukraine.
Any thoughts?
Surely sanctions “can be seen as declaration of war”, but it seems better for VP to pretend not to understand, and provide remedies for each sanction, because “a war is what the Empire wants, and what he wants “is against our interests”. Let China keep growing, enter in WTO, let the empire do the first move.
Oma said
AlJazeera AND RT are my daily antidote to MSM in the U.S. as well as the EU. Keep it coming!!!
I’ve said this on various Russian forums, and I’ll say it again here;
Russia needs:
-Good quality control
-Excellent design
-Better organization
-Less corruption
It already has the genii that can invent stuff by far superior to their western counterparts, but (as any other Slavic nation) lacks the organizational skills to implement the said inventions…perhaps it’s best to import brains in that department from Anglo/German countries or Japan. Nothing to be ashamed of, it’s something that everyone does or did in the past. Best be humble about it, and acknowledge the issue to better it.
Or even better, import brains from Slovenia or other Germanized(no offense intended) Slavic nation.
All this IMHO etc…
Anonymess 12:24:
Every deep state message in the press from February to May was that the West was willing to accept Putin invading up to the Dnipr and Kharkov, maybe even Sumy and Chernigov too, so why just send in Peacekeepers to Donbass and take just 2 of the 4 or more Oblasts what you were being offered, leaving Kharkov and Zaporozhzia behind?
So you think an armed Russian invasion against a population that in the majority may have been against leaving Ukraine then is superior to inspiring the people to find their future on their own and without external use of force? You prefer Russia sinking to the level of America in ignoring and abusing international norms and national sovereignty while trying to inspire the rest of the world?
Dear Saker
Here is from ITAR-TASS a photograph
of an old not much attractive woman at the polling station in Russia.
Since you are a Russian
Please tell me whether all Russian woman look like this one?
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/749628
Was it on purpose?
Dear Saker
See this photo from The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/15/world/europe/election-victories-strengthen-putins-grip-around-russia-and-crimea.html
European Union and Ukraine: Geopolitical Ambitions Going Too Far
Boris NOVOSELTSEV
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/09/15/european-union-and-ukraine-geopolitical-ambitions-going-too-far.html
Europe Ready to Suffer from Cold to Please US
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/09/15/europe-ready-to-suffer-from-cold-to-please-us.html
Technical question about Crosstalk headline: “Russia May Close Airspace In Response To Western Sanctions”. (Perhaps discussed in the program: I dislike the usual incivility of Crosstalk too much to suffer through it.) Does anyone know if Russia receives substantial transit fees for opening its airspace to western airlines ? If so, would the loss of these fees be more costly to Russia than the damage inflicted on western airlines ? I.E., would Russia be shooting itself in the foot to do this ? (Real question, truly don’t know the trade-offs.)
Anonymous with fixation of appearance: When you trot around Russia you will see many women like these. But then you will see them in Portugal, United States etc etc.
Ordinary people doing ordinary stuff. Is that worse than having some reality show superstar popping a ballot into a box?
Please see the new depths to which British Propaganda has now sunk: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/15/putin-bad-as-stalin-former-defence-secretary
“So why are EU doing this? How does this make sense?”
Because productive capitalism does not matter to financial capitalists, the financial Ponzi scheme is about to crash and I imagine the elites want to shift the blame to Russia for their own failure.
To all who have posted on this RT Crosstalk programme please follow this Youtube link to Evgeney Fedorov who explains what is about to happen to the Russian 5th colonists – Atlanticists. Basically you are either with us or against us. Those against us; well goodbye!
Besides that message this interview set outs the whole current US NATO EU Ukraine Russia crisis in a most precise and informative context.
Pushing the sanctions through despite the fact it looks like there might be some sort of ceasefire coming up, is, in my opinion, completely in line with everything we have seen so far: the demonisation of Putin and everything sympathetic to Russian.
It shows clearly that the conflict, Putin, is just just as an excuse to put sanctions in place. It proves to me that the objective is not to stop the war.
So what is it then? Well, first of all it is clear that the EU is USA’s biatch.
Reasons have been discussed many times, I think the sanctions are meant to:
– destroy / disrupt economic ties between EU and Russia
– make EU less dependent on Russian oil and gas in order to give the US an opportunity to start controlling the Eu even more
but the most important one I think is trying to extend the life of the dollar by destroying the Euro. I think the sanctions are just the beginning of the pain that is to come over Europe.
With the nazi’s in Kiev, it would not surprise me of the nazi-sentiment would gain traction in the rest of the EU when the crisis starts deepening fast and furious over the winter months.
Putin said it: there will be war in Europe. Meanwhile, he can just sit back and watch the Europeans kill off each other. ISIS is standing by to help, should the Europeans not manage by themselves.
The Golden Bullet
While it seems these sanctions are aimed at Russia I suspect the true target is the EU. US capital has no love for German, French or Italian competitors. As we have less and less fish in the western seas the sharks start to eat each other.
Russia can and will turn to Asia but Europe can turn nowhere. Its only way is to totally submit to the US hegemony.
Or rebel if they still have some man with spine left.
Q
Very interesting article about Royal Dutch Shell in Eastern Ukraine and their interests in the war, unfortunately only in Dutch:
http://nieuwsvaneuropa.wordpress.com/tag/royal-dutch-shell/
Anonymous said…
“Here is from ITAR-TASS a photograph
of an old not much attractive woman at the polling station in Russia.”
Of course! They’re ALL over 65 years old…none younger! Don’t bother to visit to find out for yourself…being among the best educated in the world, you’d stoick out like a sore thumb. (PS…Russian and Ukrainian women are SMOKIN’ HOT…some of the prettiest in the world…those hauntingly beautriful slavic features are to die for…I got one myself and am verrrry happy). Stay away…you’ll give a bad name to us foreigners that do visit!
Nard
(Sorry Saker…I couldn’t resist the idiot)
DumpHarper,
Oh God yes.
Taking it just a mini-step further, anything encouraging any group of people to believe in their superiority or the “rightness” of their own ways has within it the same horrific potential. It doesn’t take too many steps to start considering anyone else inferior enough to treat differently. And that there’s a lesson our propagandists have learned all too well and are certainly using to keep us all divided.
A good case in point would be scapegoating one or another group for the deterioration pervasive throughout all levels of American society. Corruption, violence and sexual immorality, for example, are genuinely bi-partisan in nature and our current efflorescence of both was neither “caused by” or “limited to” blacks or liberals, for gosh sakes! And the truly sad part is that so many people still buy into this nonsense, thereby keeping us all quite conveniently divided and blaming each other rather than seeing clearly how we’re all in the same boat and fighting for an oar rather than throwing the slavemasters overboard and using theirs.
Anonymous 13:58,
If you’ve bought any “American” product lately, you may have recognized that we too need good quality control, excellent design, better organization and less corruption… ;~)
Imo, Russia is more likely to succeed in this arena than we are to the extent that their major emphasis is on the product produced, rather than merely quarterly profits. And the know-how required, imo, is far more dependant on training than ethnicity.
Anonymous 14:43, 14:50,
That the Empire uses propaganda is hardly news: have they ever, *ever* not?
The truly newsworthy event hasn’t happened yet, and may never: that would be when we stop falling for it. As evidenced daily by all too many comments right on this blog, the more subtle stuff playing to people’s fear of challenging their own myths and (deliberately inculcated) misunderstandings is still quite effective.
Anonymous 15 September, 2014 14:43
There are many beautiful women in Russia. This woman is not young anymore and she may have done the impossible more than once in order to feed her children and pay the bills.
If she is retired she survives on a very small pension. Show some respect.
Looks like Paul Craig Roberts is another reader of this blog and I agree with him. A defense is a proactive strong defense. The war is with the US and even Putin agrees with that part since he said the US will only stop if the status of the US$ is removed. The thing is, the one who is left standing is the winner, so what ever Russia does, it weakens the US$ but it also weakens Russia even more. The next round Russia is far weaker.. The US has a lot more standing power.
Russia should have gone on a war footing after the 2nd round of sanctions hit, after the 3rd round it should have issued an alert for imminent Nato attack. I dont mean a hot war but preparing the Russian economy and people for war. Unlike Germany which did not even think things were serious until well into 1943 and switched into a war mode.
Since nothing Russia does will matter to the US and hence the EU. We already know after the 2nd sanctions that the leaders of the EU are handicapped or maybe blackmailed and threatened to do exactly as the empire wishes. By now Russia should have been able to do without the west, accepting only Rubbles for gas supplies. Moving all offshore funds and liquidating and reducing European investments and other things that countries at war do.
The doctrine that the US is following is well known so its not like we don’t know what is coming.
Although we can only guess and think we know what to do, we really have no idea what options Russia really have or how prepared they really are. Adn we can see Russia trying to find alternatives but it sure is acting too friendly to people who want to destroy it, It should be barring some teeth while uttering kindly words and not act like an English butler, act like what the US is making Russia and Putin out to be. This is not a pleasing contest to see how many people you get to like you, this is life and death for millions. Make the Europeans ponder if this is going to be their last day on earth.. Not with direct threats since they can do the same but you got to show you are not a push over because they are much bigger than you..
PCR says all this much better than me. But after all we ourselves are not in danger and we are not paying the price so we can a lot of things. When it is our own turn we might not do what we think should be done.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Washington’s_War_Against_Russia/37950/0/38/38/Y/M.html
The new Syncretic Studies piece, Pravy Sektor as ISIS, is interesting. It is one possible route to further chaos for US/NATO. A simpler way to go would just be to prop up the next ‘legitimate’ government (which is shaping up to be much more pro-war and hard right than even the current version). Since the DPR and the LPR are going to have to go full on to the left (i.e., communist/socialist) to move forward politically and economically, I don’t think the US will use the Pravy Sektor coup strategy, because Novorossiya elements are losing that ‘hard right Russian fascist’ putative chargeability (as Flores reminds us, i.e., exit of Strelkov/Gubarev formally). The kind of “supporting all sides in a haze of confusion” that they are pulling off in the Middle East might not work in a European context. Plus, when ‘Nazis’ really do become the enemy, it validates ‘Russian propaganda’ and deflates a solid year’s worth of narrative that many in the milpolinteledugovcorp classes actually believe. Imagine their shock when they learn that ‘Russian propaganda’ was actually ‘western democratic values’ all along . . .
Swedish government hostility to Russia is shocking.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/749639
The item anon at 14:43 provided a link to provides an excellent recap of the overall scope of the Russian elections. That 63 of 69!! political parties participated shows the current great diversity available to voters unlike the vast majority of Western nations. I’d say the pictured woman is representative of her age group, but only she looks like her.
Apparently, only two parties outed themselves as 5th columnists, Yabloko, and A Just Russia, in Moscow and St Petersburg, respectively.
The “big picture” as I see it of today looks like this:
Ever since the US has decided to groom Russia to be the big enemy again that the Soviet Union was they have taken numerous steps to make it so. Additionally this goes with the aim of destroying all the countries which made trouble not only to the US but to Israel as well.
Two birds with one stone. (Think of Libya, Iraq, Egypt etc.).
Let’s ask the question what Ukraine has to do with IS. On the surface nothing. However…
When the US wanted to bomb Syria not only did the UK not play ball but even the US Congress didn’t agree. And to add insult to injury Putin came along with a peaceful solution by Assad giving up all chemical weapons.
The US could not forgive that.
For revenge and for generally getting their plans into action they took a lot of trouble to get the conflict in Ukraine flying. As a result the EU (And US and NATO) were set against Russia and the sanctions carousel was started. This is working away just now but it needs more umph.
Back to the Syria problem. IS was created and let loose (Almost all of the fighters don’t know who they are working for).
The point of it?
It will allow not only to concentrate all islamists and bomb them to hell, it will also allow the US to bomb Syria to hell and get rid of Assad. (Just as a vote was needed in Congress this time as if on order there were the IS beheadings and Congress immediately agreed to bomb IS). Assad gone, IS gone which just played the role of cannon fodder, a pipeline from Saudi Arabia will go through Turkey and into Europe with which the European gas needs will be satisfied. (Hopefully the Russian base in Syria won’t be used to start a war with Russia?)
This then allows increased sanctions by which all Russian export of gas will be stopped and Russia will loose a lot of money.
Europe will be properly separated from Russia and European business considerably limited taking unwanted competition off the market.
So… what will happen to Ukraine? Will it still matter at all? Will there be more war? I don’t know. Maybe the US will allow the East to be separated and pocket the rest as after all Eastern Ukraine might have a certain value but not that much? That remains to be seen. Certainly Ukraine will not be allowed to be a hinge between Russia and Europe. So either all of it or Ukraine minus the East will be all Western, join the EU and possibly Nato.
The wall they want to built will really mean something.
Unless of course the conflict will be used to start a war with Russia which remains to be seen. That, of course, would solve all our problems.
Russia needsto create an alternative to Youtube:
MOSCOW, September 15. /ITAR-TASS/. Video hosting YouTube has blocked the account of Russian channel LifeNews.
The only TV I watch nowadays is The Vineyard.
Own up Anons,who the hell are you?Inbred cowards never given a name or the ability to make one up?
XbNB,,,,,,,,,,,see?
Paul Craig Roberts says Russia’s response has been too weak, and that this has been caused by a fifth column in the Russian government. Here he suggests some stronger measures that Putin should take, including turning off natural gas to all NATO countries, or insisting that all payments for gas be made in rubles.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/14/washingtons-war-russia-paul-craig-roberts-2/
We don’t think much about what sanctions really are and the damage they can do. I was awakened last fall with this excellent article by Andrew Cockburn in Harpers. “A Very Perfect Instrument.”
http://harpers.org/archive/2013/09/a-very-perfect-instrument/?single=1
“I’ve said this on various Russian forums, and I’ll say it again here;
It already has the genii that can invent stuff by far superior to their western counterparts, but (as any other Slavic nation) lacks the organizational skills to implement the said inventions…perhaps it’s best to import brains in that department from Anglo/German countries or Japan. Nothing to be ashamed of, it’s something that everyone does or did in the past. Best be humble about it, and acknowledge the issue to better it.”
????SPUTNIK, GARGARIN, MIR, helo’s that work in all conditions (unlike US choppers), best combat aircraft in the world for the price (and maybe regardless of price)? Just for starters!
Nard
I left out something from my post. I checked all of the names mentioned in the Harper’s column on sanctions. Almost all of the people involved in this “almost hidden and almost independent” agency are Zionists. The damage comes not just from high officials but from what I think of as “water cooler” discussions or sharing attitudes in the bar after work. The government is saturated with destructive influences.
Business leaders from Russia, Ukraine, Europe, U.S. propose 10-point peace plan for Ukraine.
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=536683
The 5th column?
Anonymous 16:47
The Dutch authorities are also full-on nutcases. They have recently returned Crimean Scythian gold artifacts that were on loan for display in Amsterdam. They have been sent to Kiev rather than Crimea. Russia cares a great deal about its cultural heritage, so this is a real poke in the eye. How long will it be before they disappear into some oligarch’s private collection?
@Alien Tech: “Looks like Paul Craig Roberts is another reader of this blog & I agree with him.”
I don’t know if PCR (a Reagan era official with blood in his hands) is a reader of this blog. But PCR’s suggestions that Russia should turn-off gas supply to west Europe, or send troops to east Ukraine to teach USA+Europe a lesson IS NOT WISE ADVICE. This is a war, and war is won by that side who display long-term staying power and don’t get into temptations of quick win.
@Alien Tech: “The next round Russia is far weaker.. The US has a lot more standing power.”
Will suggest you to look into economical statistics of World’s top 10 economies, and find which countries have maximum debt and rate of GDP growth. You will conclude exactly the opposite way what you have done here. Moreover, French Monarchists & Napoleon in 1810s as well as German Nazis & Hitler in 1940s also thought about Russia’s weakness … only to find what strength it possess!
@Alien Tech: “Unlike Germany which did not even think things were serious until well into 1943 and switched into a war mode.”
Well, William Shirer said, only Germany was serious about the war right from mid-1930s. It seems, the history is again getting newly created here !
@Anonymous 16:54: “Europe will be properly separated from Russia and European business considerably limited taking unwanted competition off the market.”
One of the main objective of the AngloZionist Plutocracy is to ruin growing business of west European Oligarchy (mainly German+French+Italy) and bring them under USA-based Oligarchy-cum-Global Plutocracy controlled ‘Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership’ regime by 2016 …
Anonymous Indian
Please read this article from Spain. Some people is rethinking the mainstream tales about Ukraine.
Roberto Centeno is a engineer, former director of spanish oil bussiness companies.
http://blogs.elconfidencial.com/economia/el-disparate-economico/2014-09-15/un-misil-aire-aire-derribo-el-vuelo-mh-17_194815/
Anonymous 15 September, 2014 16:47
“Swedish government hostility to Russia is shocking.”
It is not the Swedish government. Carl Bildt, Swedens prime embarrassment in todays international politics, somebody who talks too much, a US lackey, a man with very little understanding and a limited education, did try to stop the sale of the building, but failed. He does not rule over the courts and that is as it should be. My guess is that one of Swedens experienced diplomats had a long serious talk with him. Carl, being uneducated and suddenly a very rich man, his money came from nowhere, does not have the skills to come up with this alone. He reminds me of Bliar.
When Swedish airspace recently was invaded twice, the media hinted it was done by Russia. Of course it did. To put an end to the rumours, Carl Bildt told us two Polish planes had done it. I don’t like the man, but some things he does right. Poles, please stay out of our air space. Try to learn the maps.
Carl and his party lost the recent national elections. You can all rejoice as I do, but don’t hold your breath. The Social Democrats are also servants of the Empire. They are frequent visitors at the US Embassy. Sweden is an Imperial colony and so is the whole EU. If you are European and a regular on this blog, you will probably understand.
Well now, here’s some interesting reading:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/scottish-independence-is-it-good-or-bad-for-the-jews/
The answer (and propaganda) are no surprise, of course. What’s a bit more interesting is William Paterson, the con man associated with the (unbelievably ill-conceived) Darien project, was also involved in the founding of… ta dum… the Bank of England. You can’t make this stuff up.
Bear & dragon
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/187676-russia-china-reshape-world/
Carl Bildt involved in political corruption scheme.
A Swedish newspaper is investigating Carl Bildt’s links to former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili. A former Cabinet Minister Georgi Khaindrava says the Swedish foreign affairs head covered up murky deals for the Georgian President
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzr5326L2OM
Sorry, for some reason the Youtube link did not appear in my previous post re Evgeny Fedorov and the Russian 5th column
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLMG0KD3rI
Saker,
18:20 and 13:47 are related.
Sorry, found and posted the bits at different times.
Build the Red Army underground of Novorossiya!
Build the Red Army underground of New Soviet Ukraine!
Southeast or death!
– from Nazi-occupied Amerika
The war in the South-East Online 15.09.2014 Chronicle
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/4769-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-15092014-hronika-sobytiy.html
Among many other news items provided, it documents the latest nazi violations of the ceasefire, an elementary school was shelled. There is also an updated forces position map of the regions. It shows the Novorussians have pulled back from Mariupol and extended their area further from Donstsk and Lugansk.
вот так
(Internet glitch when posting the comment originally, sorry if this is a duplicate.)
The war in the South-East Online 15.09.2014 Chronicle
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/4769-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-15092014-hronika-sobytiy.html
Among many other news items provided, it documents the latest nazi violations of the ceasefire, an elementary school was shelled. There is also an updated forces position map of the regions. It shows the Novorussians have pulled back from Mariupol and extended their area further from Donstsk and Lugansk.
вот так
This will set get you thinking:
Joaquin Flores — Time for Plan B: The Push to Create a Failed State
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR-pizmkqUQ
@ Anonymous 13:58
It already has the genii that can invent stuff by far superior to their western counterparts, but (as any other Slavic nation) lacks the organizational skills to implement the said inventions…perhaps it’s best to import brains in that department from Anglo/German countries or Japan.
Russia’s biggest problem (as well as our own) is the Adam Smith-Royal Society-Globalist Internationalist Parasite and Semetic economic system that defines all truly valuable things entirely out of existence.
Q. How are local ownership and control of resources, or a clean environment, reflected in GDP numbers?
A. They aren’t. If anything local ownership and a clean environment benefits local people and is therefore counted as a negative against GDP which only refers to how much Capitalist Parasites can put into play in their vast sytem of economic theft and resource rape.
The whole of our economic system and the contemporary Econo-Men currently pouring out of multiple Brainwash Universities do not understand that Economics, as taught, is not a Science. At best it is a social science akin to history or geography and is basically no more measurable than popular culture.
What is valuable to Russia (independence, local control, spiritual strength, healthy people) will always be counted against fake GDP numbers proffered by 5th column ‘Atlanticists’
In the Adam Smith school of Econo-Man, war is profitable. This means so long as you subscribe to fake Anglo-Zionist economic mythology you will always have war.
In the Adam Smith school of Econo-Man, when you destroy a forest and the people who live within it, this will improve GDP and earn you kudos from the United Nations.
Not only is our media Anglo-Zio-centric, so too is every aspect of our culture. The reason I almost never watch RT or any other broadcast media is because they have already ceded all important ground to the Globalist Parasites. RT is playing on the margins, as it must but it will only strengthen the AZ Empire in the long run. RT is a cheap imitation of Western standards and Russia will never beat the West by manufacturing cheap imitations.
Russia needs to go its own way, culturally and if it does, I predict the Europe of Alain Soral and Marine LePen will follow very soon.
20 more years.
That’s how long it will take for Russians to blow the lid off the Anglo-Zionist culture scam and set their own course.
There is no short game for Russia. Putin plays for the 21st century or not at all.
I am glad Paul Craig Roberts is around and writing, as he punlicizes some imortant truths, informed by some inside knowledge. That said, he has his own ideology and blind spots, as do most other people.
The question of what Russia’s responses should be and should have been is very problematic, and the principle of overdetermination comes into full bloom here. Even in retrospect it is not clear how the various options would have played out.
Yet, it seems the Russia’s position and the situation in Ukraine and Novorossia are stronger now, and US/NATOs’ position significantly weaker, which might well have not been the case if other actions were taken — in fact other scenarios might have been disastrous or catastrophic.
It’s still rather chaotic, and psychopaths are still running the West. As such, adherence to time honored principles such as ‘just war’, law and justice, the generally peaceful principles as expoused by most religions, and a conservative approach, seem to be reasonable. Introducing more unpredictibility into chaos does not seem wise to me. One step at a time, and keep as much political and strategic space, and flexibility, available as possible (cf hypermodern chess, and Nimzowitsch’s principles — see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermodernism_(chess) and transpose the ideas into geopolitics — and toss in some Sun Tzu).
The sanctions being imposed on Russia seem almost the antithesis of smart thinking: the result of impetuous ideology, blindness, immaturity, dissension within western powers, gross stupidity, and hubris.
In fact, it’s the sort of things one might expect from a Hollywood script writer. But this ain’t no Saturday night movie, or Wide World of Wrestling exhibition. This is reality, and that’s something the US has long disconnected itself from.
__Blue
If I was Russian I would just take this as a great opportunity to boycott European foods & other goods in general. Make Western workers & employers howl! You lost your job? Blame Merkel, Hollande & Cameron!
What strike me in this crosstalk is a quick mention that 1.6 bln offshore disappeared & nobody knows when and how. If you put it together with ukraine corrupted government and the fact that they are asking for more money and Canada is giving in a “blink of an eye” that makes the whole thing even more weird. All this zombi patriots wanting the war to murder simple civilians , Hunt Juda having an office offshore to start oil industry development in Donbas, Nato with their stupid demands. I don’t blame folks from Donbas who doesn’t want to do anything with Kiev. Such a murderous confusion.
Really looking forward to your take on the Amnesty Law proposed by Kiev.
Seems to apply to a limited area which will go down well.
JohninMK
Where-Wolf,
Economics as now “taught” is nothing more than inculcation in an a-historical ideology. Even the writings of Adam Smith — *who set forth the need for regulation to prevent monopolies* — have been turned on their head. Nobody knows or reads what the man himself actually wrote: just like with Talmud or the Scofield Bible, they only see commentaries designed to distort and destroy the original message.
Putin is not a young man: who knows how much long game he’s got. At this point, just pray he is able to live out his natural life-span and that he will be followed by worthy successors.
“Ukraine outrage over delay on EU trade deal”
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-outrage-over-delay-eu-trade-deal-230148845.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/15/world/europe/election-victories-strengthen-putins-grip-around-russia-and-crimea.html
Pol Pot Shenko the kindler gentler fascist
97% of the Scottish population 16 and older have registered to vote, getting on for Crimean levels :)
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/09/14/the-butterfly-rebellion/
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/320194
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/93978.html
Encouraging news. Russia will ensure reconnected electricity and gas to NR
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-15/gazprom-says-kiev-should-blame-warsaw-gas-supply-cut
@Nora
Adam Smith — *who set forth the need for regulation to prevent monopolies* — have been turned on their head.
You’re absolutely right. Good ideas get turned on their head. Always. I was reffering to the deified Adam Smith of the econo disinformation bubble.
Our entire system is constructed according to the good ideas of very bright people. Parasites play the critical role of middle men. They steal credit, economic benefit or both. Copyright law, for example, is not about protecting artists. These are legal conventions that allow parasites to continuously feed off the brilliant creativity of a few talented people who in many cases end up broken or dead.
I’m only asking people consider the values behind our supposedly neutral economic worldview. Adam Smith would undoubtedly think it critical.
From a comment on Zero Hedge. Best analogy I have seen yet regarding why Russia will not cut off Europe’s gas this winter
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Because Russia has a contract to supply a certain amount of gas to Europe, and they will not break that contract. To do so undercuts the entire Russian strategy a being a reliable energy supplier. If Russia cuts off the West in violation of contract, then that just gives the West the ulitmate excuse to invade Ukraine to “ensure” the current flow of energy, and Syria to “ensure” the future flow of energy so Russia can’t do it again in the future. Russia will just cut the flow that Ukraine is supposed to pay for, but is not. The fact that Ukraine is “stealing” their share (thus reducing the flow to Poland) isn’t Russia’s problem… it’s Warsaw’s. Poland should be forcing Ukraine to stop stealing gas they aren’t paying for. It’s like a river with a dam owned by a utility to supply you water in the dry season. You live downstream, and your neighbor lives upstream, and you both need the same amount of water. Your neighbor doesn’t pay, so the utility reduces the flow through the dam by 1/2. But your upstream neighbor keeps taking the same amount of water, so you are left dry. The problem isn’t with the dam owner, it’s your neighbor. The bottom line is you have to pay for what you use whether you are upstream or downstream.
There are several reports floating out,that a powerful group of Russian oligarchs are in Kiev negotiating with Poroshenko, to sell out Novorossii.Stop the volunteers from Russia and military assistance.Allowing Ukraine’s army to destroy the NAF or strangle them out by attacks and blockades.If true,and the sources I’ve seen are pro-Novorossii,wouldn’t they have to have Putin’s OK to do it.Was this the results of Minsk and the ceasefire.Is Putin making a choice to sell Russia’s friends to the neo-nazis.Does he not realize with this being known.That if its true, Russia won’t be able to get a single outside Russian to trust them again.And their current friends,will in most cases desert them.Could this just be a trick to expose 5th columnists in the open.Or is it real,and a dastardly move on Russia’s part.If the sources weren’t so pro-Novorossian I won’t even believe it at all.But we will see shortly if its true I guess.
To go along with that bad news Poroshenko made a “peace offer” that only a fool would even consider to respond to.He offered partial self-rule.Only in the areas the NAF control now.And only for a 3 year period.He offered,in that area for Russian to be an official language.But nothing about anywhere else,and it appears only for the 3 year period.Also a form of amnesty.I feel dirty just typing those terms out they are so disgusting.
What’s the point of watching BBC, CBC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and (in particular) Fox or other such corporate propaganda machines if you can watch programs like this one on RT? Or on Global Research? Reality is more interesting than fiction or the most clever propaganda. All human beings ultimately crave reality–wherever they can get it.
Oops posted wrong link above
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/94777.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-15/petrodollar-panic-eu-officials-admit-buying-oil-isis
This is the smoking gun that the west colludes with ISIS and it’s a bait and switch to take out Assad so Qatar can build their pipeline with a terminus in Haifa!
A proposal to bar entry of Russian journalists (´propagandists´) from the EU – in German -:
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/medien/ukraine-konflikt-berufsverbot-fuer-propaganda-journalisten/10696956.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-15/ukraine-presidents-days-numbered-after-broad-accusations-betraying-national-interest
Pol Pot Shenko is just begging to assassinated
Just like America prefers ISIS over the weaklings in the Free Syrian Army don’t be surprised if Kerry/Obama give the green light for a far right coup. They don’t go for half measures. Those Moskals in the east need to be put down before the first snow
Anyone thinking Pol Pot Shenko will be overthrown or murdered before the elections?
I’m leaning that direction
There are times when I think that western leaders are on drugs
because their decisions look so “weird” and not related to reality. Definitely they do not care about their citizens’ interests!
All I need to know about the unelected EU-representatives in the EU Commission is that they reside on the 13th floor of the most ugly building in Brussells and that all males, except two, have male partners at home. These people are degenerates. Long ago, I visited Tallinn in Estonia and saw no 33 as the only modern and up to date house in one important street.
This is not about the Jews, this is about the Masons/Illuminists/illuminatis. The 13th floor and no 33. Don’t blame the Jews for everything.