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CrossTalk: Ukraine Wedged in the Middle

4700 Views December 10, 2014 Blog, Watch List The Saker

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  1. Anonymous on December 10, 2014  ·  at 3:39 pm EST/EDT

    Believe it or not, this ia an MP from the Ukie parliament, and his behavior here is probably legally actionable.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iYPqF3nCfw

  2. Anonymous on December 10, 2014  ·  at 4:39 pm EST/EDT

    Coup in Zaporozhye: Poroshenko and Kolomoisky faced off in the first half. Poroshenko is leading 1-0.

    via Fort Russ..

    Zaporozhye-Vinnitsa 1-0: Mayor of Zaporozhye tells Lyashko to go #$%& himself, and other non-obvious events

    We can conclude that Poroshenko in a short a friendly match with Benia Kolomoisky leads 1-0.

    Events in Vinnitsa were triggered by activists-fighters of “Svoboda” – this party has long been providing services for Igor Kolomoisky.

    In response Poroshenko mobilized his ‘guard’ – Lyashko and his fighting…’mosiychyuks’.

    Of course after an attack was arranged on the home fiefdom of Poroshenko, he had to respond. Otherwise he would demonstrate weakness.

    Zaporozhye – is a mirror response. As for Poroshenko, sitting in Kiev, Vinnitsa is the second most important region. And for Kolomoisky, ruling in Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye carries the same status. <50% link in Russian [link to vk.com (secure)]

  3. geoff29 on December 10, 2014  ·  at 4:46 pm EST/EDT

    Pleas dear fill-in the supreme being of your choice, please RT allow at least some Crosstalk’s to go longer than 24 minutes. Hey, even throw in more ads if necessary!

  4. Anonymous on December 10, 2014  ·  at 4:56 pm EST/EDT

    Il Discobolo.
    This reproduced below is a famous toast, during a Reception at the Kremlin in Honour of Red Army Commanders given by the Soviet Government in the Kremlin on Thursday, May 24, 1945. Significantly, it was pronounced by Stalin, one of the most ferocius repressor of national identities in USSR.
    In trying to bend the Russian people to obey as other, many nations in EU and in the world, the USA “elites” should think to the fate of Napoleon and Hitler carefully listening to this toast.

    <>

  5. Anonymous on December 10, 2014  ·  at 5:10 pm EST/EDT

    Well! I found that pretty distressing to be honest. Ukraine already IS in NATO?

    I think Russia should consider some color revolutions of it’s own in the Kiev area.

  6. Anonymous on December 10, 2014  ·  at 5:14 pm EST/EDT

    The REAL reason for all the intrigue, agent provocateurs, & riots in Ferguson, MO (St Louis):

    http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

    This initiative was supposed to be approved by June 30 2014 but failed because local businesses refused to allow it to happen. This puts the imported rioters which even the Mayor commented about into an entirely new perspective, obviously they were brought in by big money somewhere to cheapen the area and give the local business owners second thoughts about being there.

  7. Gareth on December 10, 2014  ·  at 5:19 pm EST/EDT

    IMF warns Ukraine bailout at risk of collapse – FT.com

    “The International Monetary Fund has identified a $15bn shortfall in its bailout for war-torn Ukraine and warned western governments the gap will need to be filled within weeks to avoid financial collapse”…

    …”Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, said he had called his Russian counterpart, Anton Siluanov, to ask him to roll over a $3bn loan the Kremlin made to Kiev last year.

    George Osborne, the UK finance minister, expressed surprise at the request, attendees said, saying the EU was now asking for help from Russia at the same time it was sanctioning the Kremlin for its actions in Ukraine.”

  8. Joat on December 10, 2014  ·  at 5:22 pm EST/EDT

    Never find fault with a man who limps

    As he staggers along the road,

    Until you have worn the shoes that he wears and struggled beneath his load.

    He may have some nails in his shoes that hurt- hidden away from your view,

    And the burden he bears upon his back
    may cause you to stumble too!

  9. Seamus Padraig on December 10, 2014  ·  at 5:27 pm EST/EDT

    Saker, once again, this is OT, but I thought it was very interesting:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/10/bilderberg-vs-putin/

    At the May 2012 Bilderberg meeting, they decided that Putin had to go.

    Money quote:

    Interestingly, Daniel Estulin further reported that at the May 2012 Bilderberg meeting, “…one European Bilderberger openly admitted [that] ‘Putin is by far the most formidable opponent in the world stage to our plans.’ What makes [the] Bilderberg position that much more difficult is Putin’s moral position in ‘protecting and promoting its [Russia’s] national interest’.”

  10. Anonymous on December 10, 2014  ·  at 5:55 pm EST/EDT

    here’s why as additional incentive to sever ALL ties to SWIFT & the insolvent west,(as i type this crude $WTIC has hit $60) putin is trying to get that alternative to SWIFT tested (DEC 15) & launched & working (between all the BRICS?) as a lifeboat to row safely away before the titanic goes gurgle.

    It gets worse, as Brown goes on to say, “Theoretically, we are protected by deposit insurance up to $250,000 in the U.S. and 100,000 euros in Europe. The FDIC fund has $46 billion, the last time I looked, to cover $4.5 trillion worth of deposits. So, even though we are protected by the FDIC, the FDIC is not going to have the money. . . . This makes it legal for these big 30 banks to take our money when they become insolvent. They are too-big-to-fail. This was supposed to avoid too-big-to-fail, but what it does is institutionalizes too-big-to-fail. They are not going to go down. They are going to take our money instead.”

    22 min DEC 9 timely here.

    Ellen Brown-5 Big Banks will Survive Next Financial Calamity-Everybody Else Bankrupt

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey20x-VlDYQ&list=UUG-G8LLr38fQUNZU8K0t-EA

  11. Anon Mongoose on December 10, 2014  ·  at 7:27 pm EST/EDT

    @ Garth -10 December, 2014 17:19

    Good catch, that Ft.com link.

    Isn’t that too rich by half asking help from Russia?

    The Ukie bonds and currency crashed today but it was a foregone assess they needed more like $65 billion instead of the promised $17 billion. And ALL the gold is gone.

    Reuters:
    The IMF, which is visiting Kiev this week for talks on the bailout programme with the government, warned in September that if Ukraine’s conflict with pro-Russian separatists runs into next year, the country may need as much as $19 billion in extra aid.

  12. Anonymous on December 10, 2014  ·  at 7:34 pm EST/EDT

    War alternative. “Offensive (swift and decisive – reaching administrative borders of the former Lugansk and Donetsk region) and force him already collected. Furthermore, by the spring Ukraine will collapse and military forces Novorossiaof Novorossia (for economic, political and other assistance of the Russian Federation) virtually without a fight will occupy the rest of Ukraine and save its people from the chaos and famine. While Galicia given the opportunity to leave of their own choice, which will no doubt take that.

    Putin does not like risky behavior. He is usually quite safe. This means that the peace plan will be submitted, and only after his rejection decisions are taken active measures. Reflect on what is the for Ukrainian oligarchs. In the case of a “peaceful settlement” they have the opportunity to engage in a new state model, though – of course – in worse conditions than before. In case of rejection of peace today, tomorrow may completely disappear from the political and economic maps of New Ukraine (the majority).

    So far these are just plans. Positions of the parties are very far. The more that US negotiations in favor of the Russia do not meet (just as energetic time-out for the Kyiv mode). Therefore, the negotiations are still procrastinate, so flew French President to Moscow to talk outside phones that arw obviously bugged by USA, spoke with Russian President.

    Everyone wants negotiations … but nobody wants to budge. Not yet. So it is not excluded variant of fast and short strike … against puzzled.

  13. Anonymous on December 10, 2014  ·  at 8:06 pm EST/EDT

    DEC 5 GB.
    It’s almost as if this crude oil price crash which has just coincidentally disproportionately hit Russia, Venezuela, iran is to draw attention away from the dire imploding wrecked state of the economy & finances of, say, ol’ blighty.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2860624/Osborne-goes-war-BBC-reporter-claims-utterly-terryfing-spending-cuts-Britain-1930s-squalor.html#ixzz3L0P8Xl7R
    The Office for Budget Responsibility yesterday forecast total government spending will fall to just 35.2 per cent of GDP in 2019-20 – the lowest level for 80 years.

    Just 40 per cent of the spending cuts needed have been made so far, with the remaining 60 per cent to come in the next five years.
    We are facing an extraordinary cavernous financial hole which yesterday’s razzmatazz around the politically popular budget rather glossed over
    BBC reporter Norman Smith

    In a broadcast on Radio 4 at 6.10am, Mr Smith said the OBR’s documents read like a ‘book of doom’, setting out the ‘utterly terrifying’ scale of the way spending will have to be ‘hacked back’ to 1930s levels.

    ‘That is an extraordinary concept. You are back to the land of the Road To Wigan Pier, Mr Smith said.

  14. Seward on December 10, 2014  ·  at 10:26 pm EST/EDT

    re 10 December, 2014 17:27

    “At the May 2012 Bilderberg meeting, they decided that Putin had to go.”

    Since Mr. Putin only began his present term in May 2012, after replacing Mr. Medvedev, the Bilderburgers decided he had to go, not because of what he had done, but rather because of what he might do.

    They correctly recognized their nemesis.

  15. Suvorov on December 10, 2014  ·  at 10:37 pm EST/EDT

    Re 10 December, 2014 16:56

    “… Stalin, one of the most ferocius repressor of national identities in USSR. …”

    Stalin of course was just the opposite. As Commissar of Nationalities in the first Bolshevik government, he was mainly responsible for dividing the RSFSR into many small ethnic enclaves, some of which later caused the Soviet Union and now Russia considerable trouble, Tatarstan for example. He was also the driving force behind reformulating the RSFSR into the USSR, a union of theoretically sovereign states, which was instrumental to its eventual breakup.

    As a non-Russian Georgian, he wanted to protect minority nationalities. The repression of various nation during WW2 was because they collaborated with the Nazi’s, or in the case of the Volga germans were thought likely to.

  16. Ann on December 11, 2014  ·  at 12:17 am EST/EDT

    This is a great crosstalk. Love both the accents of the brits and Mark is always interesting to hear. The Guardian fellow is very on-the-ball with his topic, but did any one see this article about the Guardian ? Expose extraordinaire

    https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/palestine-is-not-an-environment-story-921d9167ddef

  17. Ann on December 11, 2014  ·  at 12:25 am EST/EDT

    The idea that Russia has always wanted to join NATO is a pathetic one. I know that this is true, but what makes it so pathetic is that NATO then calls itself the West. ..How can Russia move more West ???

    NATO would not exist without an enemy and poor Russia has been “The Chosen One” for all its existence.

    Ah well, looked at it from a higher vantage point, its really a compliment to our dear Russia that it has been selected as The Chosen One. After all, the only reason the Jews were the Chosen Oness was the Incarnation of Christ…So what does that say for the Russian Folk Soul ?.

  18. Ann on December 11, 2014  ·  at 12:36 am EST/EDT

    Mark says the US has kept Germany down and Russia isolated. I agree except that I think that the US does the bidding of the powers in England

    England is like the shadow behind the throne (in DC). I know everyone thinks its Israel, but modern Israel is a creation of English foreign policy. England saw Palestine as the gateway to the East and so it remains…the gateway to the rape and pillage of the middle east.

    so its England, that quiet countryside of gardens and estates, and wealth and snobbery…probably there’s more money in england than anywhere else in the world and without a doubt the English regard themselves, I mean the secret elite “upper classes…” the secret brotherhoods in England, as being the creme de la creme of the universe, and want it to remain that way. Mark is right that Germany is being kept down, but its by the pitbull, but only a pitbull…the US.

    by the way, as I’ve been typing I keep making the typing error of “the Untied States.” Very repetitive.
    world.

  19. Ann on December 11, 2014  ·  at 12:50 am EST/EDT

    Marks’ a fantastic speaker. I hope his career gets bigger and bigger with time. Very moving.

  20. Anonymous on December 11, 2014  ·  at 1:40 am EST/EDT

    Dodd-Frank was the post-2008 crash legislation purported to prevent a recurrence of what happened due to repeal of the Glass-Steagall Acts of the 1930’s, by Slick Willie in 1999.

    BTW, this article by armstrong could normally be dismissed as another irrelevant rant by a mad insider, but for a very curious fact which he omits–Obama just gave ALL federal employees Friday DEC 26 the day off holiday with pay!

    that means NO OVERSIGHT any fed agency (except the high-up appointee heads) from recess when the district of criminals clears out, all the way to Monday 29th.

    The high-flying banks are at it again. There has been lobbying going on to sneak a clause in the continuing resolution to fund the government over the holidays for the December 11th deadline. The provision they are trying to sneak in would allow the banks to trade derivatives through subsidiaries that are federally insured by the FDIC. In other words, they are circumventing the very reforms of the 2007-2009 crash.

    This is not yet confirmed. The bill was held up and the final language was being submitted at midnight last night.

    http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/09/here-we-go-again-the-effective-repeal-of-dodd-frank-as-xmas-gift-to-bankers/

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