New EU “sactions”, sponsored by Markel? Answer: ban EU beer imports to Russia (alchoolic beverages with less that 9% alcool)from EU countries (with possible exceptions from Checkia and Slovackia owned firms).
In hindsight I think Russia actually dropped the ball on Syria. Instead of openly stating that al-Assad is a key regional ally and a bulwark against extremism and “we will fully back him”, they came out with the chem weapons disarmament proposal. so now the US/Israeli Zionists are safe from any military threat from Syria and can go in whenever they like under the guise of “attacking ISIS”. Nothing short of Russian advanced air defence systems, Russian crews and advisors will now stop the Western hyenas from devouring and balkanizing the Syrian state.
@ Anonymous 13:09 All Western beverages should be banned regardless of these sanctions. They are full of MSG, GMO, hormones, preservatives and poisons that are extremely dangerous and addictive. It undermines male and female fertility, throws off hormonal balance, destroys digestion and the white/red cell count.
Golly. Watching this gives me hope that reasoned voices are exposing lies and affirming truth. This interview is a keeper. Particularly as it “outs” the “soft-bigotry-of- low-expectations” in US International Relations academia and with Russian studies departments in particular. The comment that US universities teach their IR majors “values” versus “facts” is totally spot-on. It’s a travesty. And its why DOS is full of “American exceptionalism” like Nuland, Psaki and Haft — who were likely “A” students in ZIO-politics 101. We’ve lost 20+ years of real-politic thinkers, analysts, diplomats and academics. This is what the likes of Brzezinski & Co have done to the body of US international relations and diplomacy. History will not be kind to the ZIOs.
I adore Ray McGovern. Are there any left like him at CIA? Probably not. Likely they were driven out a long time ago. McGovern’s comments about Putin and Obama are in line with (my brother) Mohamed’s comments. (Dearest Mohamed — just wanted you to know that I am watching and noticing many patterns which echo your insight. And that I’m still here watching truth unfold as “fact”. Thanks again to Saker for all you do.
The ZPC/NWO raises the level of their war on Russia.
ЕС решил остановить добычу нефти в Арктике и на сланцевых месторождениях России (The EU has decided to halt oil production in the Arctic and in the shale oil fields of Russia)
“The European Union in the framework of the new sanctions against Russia decided to stop providing services for the development and production of oil in deep water, the Arctic and shale deposits, said in a Thursday statement of the Council of Europe.
Additional EU sanctions will come into force on 12 September, after the publication in the “Official journal”reports “Interfax”.
Let us add that the European Union has also decided to restrict access to the capital market for the largest defense and energy companies of Russia.
In addition, the sanctions list of the EU added 24 individuals, including new leaders DND, members of the government of Crimea, as well as leaders and businessmen from Russia.
As noted earlier, an official spokesman of the Russian foreign Ministry Alexander Lukashevich said that Russia’s response to the new EU sanctions will be commensurate. And the Russian presidential aide Andrei Belousov said that the second service response to Western sanctions ready. The second package Russia may restrict the import of cars and some light industry goods.
Earlier on Thursday, a diplomatic source said that the ambassadors of the EU agreed on the adoption of a new package of sanctions against Russia in connection with the situation in Ukraine.”
I’ll repeat what I’ve been saying: the European quisling regimes are fully part of the ZPC/NWO war against Russia. They are not reluctant partners in crime, or being forced into it. The Russians fully understand this.
What a golden opportunity for the Russian Federation to raise questions about what really happened in America on September 11, 2001. Perhaps a few engineers from the Russian Academy of Sciences could give their opinion as well.
Off topic, but Dutch research television program just announced that they found out that the OVV (who released preliminary report on MH17) ” inadvertently” leaked passwords that give access to their systems and databases. OVV admits to this but denies that anyone could have seen classified information.
AGS said: “I adore Ray McGovern. Are there any left like him at CIA? Probably not. Likely they were driven out a long time ago. McGovern’s comments about Putin and Obama are in line with (my brother) Mohamed’s comments. (Dearest Mohamed — just wanted you to know that I am watching and noticing many patterns which echo your insight. And that I’m still here watching truth unfold as “fact”. Thanks again to Saker for all you do.”
Dearest sister AGS,
Thank you your kind words, and thank you Saker too, for being so kind and patient.
Two hours before, the Ray Video, I had posted a reply to American Kulak to his excellent post.
Try to look at that the false flag of saran gas in a different light. That is was cooked up by both USA and Russia together, not for Assad but for some other reason. The precise number of 1483 of dead quoted by Kerry within seconds of false flag was a dead give away.
No the British and American people didn’t stop the war on Assad. It was the Empire and MSM pushing for that.
The same American people now want the USA to bomb ISIS in Syria without UN resolution. And, both Russia and China are saying that it is OK for the USA to do that.
We all are noting but willing buyers when it comes to MSM, one way or another.
LOL, Both WizOz and Meadhross will love this, selling our souls to ….
Best regards,
Mohamed.“
If you will remember sister, no terrorism took place during the Sochi 2014 Olympic, even after direct threats to Putin.
This is funny.. The Ukies have started stealing EU gas.. Well you all knew this would happen. Now the pols are blaming Russia for the shortfall. But Russia says gas is still the same level as last week but Poland is only receiving a 3rd less.
Is yats dipping his toe in the water to see how far he can get away with?
I can’t remember the last time I saw intelligent, knowledgeable people discussing what is going on in this country and between us and Russia. The level of discourse is so far above what we’ve had here since that long-ago, faraway time before Luke Russert’s daddy dumbed down Meet The Press. And actually, of course, even MTP rarely reached these heights since so many of the guests always were pols — but they used to be smarter too, or at least show some evidence of genuine thought. Also absence of John McCain, which would almost automatically raise the level of discourse unless he was replaced by someone even worse.
AGS,
Yes to all you said. The capture of American higher education by values, ideology and money (don’t forget, it’s chump change for a billionaire or the DoD to capture a department or an entire school) is a total, horrifying shame, and one from which we may never recover, frankly.
Mohamed,
I’m beginning to see the light, maybe, although to me Obama’s just another Merkel trying to ride the best wave. But if at least he’s doing that, it’s better than nothing. My takeaway from this whole thing is that it’s the Neocons, but then I get all suspicious bc McGovern’s “ex-” CIA only up to the point where any CIA employee can be “ex”: i.e., everything he says or writes is unfortunately still subject to scrutiny. So in that sense he’s still limited hang-out and a good indication there’s still infighting and jockeying-for-position relative to all of this.
@Nora: Mohamed, I’m beginning to see the light, maybe, although to me Obama’s just another Merkel trying to ride the best wave. But if at least he’s doing that, it’s better than nothing. My takeaway from this whole thing is that it’s the Neocons, but then I get all suspicious bc McGovern’s “ex-” CIA only up to the point where any CIA employee can be “ex”: i.e., everything he says or writes is unfortunately still subject to scrutiny. So in that sense he’s still limited hang-out and a good indication there’s still infighting and jockeying-for-position relative to all of this.
Dearest Sister,
Full agree! ~:)
The USA mid-term elections are soon.
Most probably the cease fire will be broken. And, then the illusory sanctions and counter sanctions for Obama and Putin to act tuff with each other.
Produces like apples from Poland will be labeled from Egypt and so forth.
The Evil Whisper is very strong, though right now as American Kulak put it there is not all right in The House of Zion.
@Nora said: but then I get all suspicious bc McGovern’s “ex-” CIA only up to the point where any CIA employee can be “ex”: i.e., everything he says or writes is unfortunately still subject to scrutiny
Agree!
Was it McGovern who was in Russia presenting an award to Snowden. Again, they are all on it together, due to this I am optimistic that some of the lost civil liberties will be hopefully soon restored to us.
The Source will always protect His good slaves.
God told Adam not to approach the Tree lest you will become an oppressor. The Tree didn’t have any significance, and the Merciful God forgave Adam.
Man is oppressor and the sufferings will continue till the end.
Hopefully, I am not preaching but letting you know the differences in beliefs.
Just imagine what kind of logistic will be involved in feeding 20,000 ISIS forces on a daily.
“Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show With some smart-ass New York Jew And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too Well, he may be a fool but he’s our fool If they think they’re better than him they’re wrong So I went to the park and I took some paper along And that’s where I made this song”
I agree regarding Ray McGovern. On one hand I’m thrilled that someone — ANYONE — with his background speaks the truth now and again. He’s a devout Catholic — likely one of William Colby’s boys. But Jesuits are just as dangerous as Zionists. Both have a history of harboring and abetting pedophiles — among other sins of causistry. That entire former intelligence analysts group that went to meet with Snowden is suspect. Thomas Drake in particular. Binney (who did not go to Russia) is the only one who may be genuine. Then again — what do I know? My comments are based on personal and visceral reaction to how these people present themselves. Some seem more genuine than others. They could ALL be limited hangout agents. At some level — they are — because they try to lead us down certain “belief” paths.
I was really drawn by the overall rational presentation (less frenetic than Lavelles typical format) and really enjoyed listening to Gilbert Doctorow and Nickolai Petro. You’re absolutely right Nora — this discourse was reminiscent of higher level discussion we once had in this country on serious subjects. Before Fox and CNN and MSNBC and all the crazy-azz screamers and idiots took over. At one time this was our typical discourse. Now we have to go to Russian TV & News to get any semblance of what we crave — intelligent, honest and informed FACT-BASED dialogue about the challenges that face mankind. Oh Nora, I do miss THAT America. I’m ready to move somewhere, ANYWHERE people engage this way as a matter of course. It may mean I learn to speak Russian. Not a slam-dunk. Trust me.
I half-listened to Obama last evening. All farce. And because I see it as farce — it makes listening difficult. The media, political chattering class, the lobbyists, our “experts” are all driving the herd down the chute to the slaughter. I’m bored and disgusted by it all. If they spent half as much time and energy helping mankind — it would be a marvelous thing to behold.
I’m beginning to think Brother Mohamed may be better connected than he admits. Or he is a new-age prophet. Or something. Either way, hope he remembers us on whatever plane of existence we find ourselves one day when the chit hits the fan and all.
Yes. And re: McGovern and the other boys from or hired by Langley. I do think there’s still a lot of infighting there: have you noticed a shift in pov among some of our trolls? ;~) I think it’s the third one I’ve seen so far, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens.
It was very clear to me that there will be more EU sanctions against RF, including sanctions targeting the energy sector.
I don’t know on what world you are living in, but in the real world, european elites, with the exception of few industrialists, don’t want closer ties with Russia. For exampe the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs recently said that they no longer consider Russia to be a Strategic Partner of the EU.
This is not just about the economy. Simply put, european elites want to live in a nice order, although a US imposed one, and consider Russia to be a bunch of barbarians.
As the German President recently said, they don’t want to live “under the law of the jungle”.
Russia is a 2 trillion economy and the US is a 16 trillion economy. So it obvious that the EU will prefer to work with the US against Russia, as long as Russia remains a weak country.
So maybe you are surprized, but i’m not surprised at all that it was Germany, “Russia’s close partner” that pushed for the latest sanctions.
As you can see, the joint EU-US sanctions against Russia already started, regardless of the fact that there is a ceasefire in Ukraine.
Therefore, i think that all those who thought that the EU will work with Russia against the US, or that that the EU and the US do not desire to severely punish Russia, are totally inadequate and live in another world.
Nora — Yep. I’m still here. Not only have I noticed a shift. I notice certain ones I followed are no longer posting here or MOA and ZH. You may recall I thanked certain posters some time back. Almost immediately they vanished. Someone is “taking names and kicking azz”. And for some time I notice there’s a reaction to our discourse.
I am aware of or sensitive to the push and pull of human thought. Nora — we (dwelling here on Saker) are the “bell-weathers” of consciousness. We definitely have “followers” (aka spiders) who wish to pattern and control our consciousness. Those who are interested in how we see the world — and why. Not saying this to give myself or others personal “cred” or puffing-up ones importance. It’s simply that we have self-sorted into a rather interesting data bucket — and the spiders want to know how we got here. The fact we don’t consider ourselves “different” or “chosen” or “special” is in itself rather fascinating to them.
At one time I managed and directed quants who modeled financial data. I looked at the data, found patterns and pointed them to analyze particular aspects. The real power of data metrics is the ability to SEE patterns in anomalies. In the financial biz — ones competitive advantage is based on having large subsets of data anomalies — aka non-performing loans — that others don’t have. You want to pattern anomalies. It’s why Fannie and Freddie portfolios were so valuable. They had HUGE datasets of non-performing loans over long periods of time giving credit analysts lots of anomalies to analyze and forecast future performance.
To the spiders we are just a big pool of non-performing loans. They want to understand why we think as we do. To “pattern” us and build “derivatives” which mirror the effects of our thinking to displace and degrade the impact (the good) our particular thinking generates. Their job is to control the pool and mitigate the risk we represent to their portfolio. They work hard to divert our attention. Our job is to support mankind.
The purpose of this site is to ENCOURAGE Truth. To give courage to other Truth-tellers. There is no sanctity nor sanctuary in evil. The battle is waged in consciousness. Not in Maidan or Bagdad. “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.” Maybe one day they’ll figure us out.
Focusing your argument on elites (or 1%ers or cartel) and what they do and think and direct while totally ignoring the rest of humanity will limit your ability to either predict or influence outcomes. Patterns of human thought is ignored by fools — and will cause the cartel train to veer off its course. You are right in one regard. No doubt the EU elites revile the Rus in boudoirs and salons across the continent. Likely similar to the laments of Savile members regarding those ruffians and bores in Scotland. Just wait until the vote next week. Whatever the outcome, City of London will need lots of dentists to ease the teeth-grinding which will ensue.
Regardless of pedigree — the Germans share one important trait with Russians. Pragmatism. Middle class Germans are less and less enthralled with the US. Closer ties with Russia becomes increasingly likely and more attractive with time. Both dismiss the Poles. They have that in common too.
The US economy is unraveling. That’s FACT. Whether it unravels fast or slow is the only question. Americans are beginning to see the future — and its MUCH less attractive than the past. Both materially and spiritually. These FACTS continue to gain traction.
Germany pushing for more sanctions seems contrived. Like maybe its part of a scrip that allows everyone to perpetuate a myth. Isn’t Germany the birth-place of fairytales? Brothers Grimm?
If I were an elite, I’d be a very light sleeper. Keeping an eye open at all times. Not be lulled into any particular notion or mode of thought. And very observant in terms of the general consciousness. Weakness is revealed by what you ignore.
Just helping the spiders see the big picture… Cheers.
I’m trained to examine patterns of different sorts…
But they sure do jump out at you, don’t they, even when they try to sound like someone else: poke at ’em a bit and they always leak.
If this is the first-string, I’m not real impressed.
If you’ve got the time, btw (1-1/2 hrs. +), check out this video: you won’t agree with all of it either but it’s still very interesting and aimed, I think, at the entire cross-section of consciousness-capable Americans.
Passer by it is good to know there are others who are not slow :) Usually it takes others years to get them to see what is happening. It might have to do with wishing it real unlike seeing what is real. When ever I see anything about brotherly love with Germans and Russians I almost puke. What Russia and Germany have is not love but cooperation between corporation. Like Microsoft and Apple working together.. Unlike Microsoft and Intel which is a symbiotic relationship. If Germany can gain an advantage, it will jump at the chance to trash Russia. But not at its own expense. Germany already got their 4th Reich and even Hitler never dreamed of a Europe so tightly controlled by Germany and better yet, pay for everything German all the while thinking they are taking advantage of German greatness. Wonder how the Greeks feel now about being able to take advantage of German generosity.
If one cant see that Germany is the enemy because they started this mess then they are using wishing it real scenario instead of what is real. Germany has not been on the side of humanity since WW2. Everything they have done makes the lives of others worse. Then again, keeping the same people pretty much in charge who placed the likes of the nazi’s in power cant be very good for change no matter what new names are used.
I just loved it when merkel said if peace holds in Ukraine then they wont place any sanctions, then if russia has any troops in ukraine, they need to be withdrawn and then well we want to place sanctions because Russia is a destabilizing force.. Thats really the pot calling the flame black. It all looks like she wants to appear as the good guy so as to control Russia’s actions to not do anything that might upset her plans all the while appearing as a friend with a knife held hidden behind her back. Germany is a far bigger threat to Russia than the US will ever be. Americans will bluster and puff a lot but take away their toilet paper and they will run crying to mummy. In the last 100 years, the tough guy wild west Americans have been tamed by force in meek couch potatoes that think playing video games makes them strategic geniuses.
To Alien Tech: You act as if Americans (or Germans for that matter) actually control what their governments do. Our governments are owned and controlled by the self-same Bolsheviks and Zionists which devastated Russia. On that score you might recognize — and actually sympathise — with our struggle. Did middle class Russians have ANY control over what the Soviet political classes did or said or perpetrated on Russian society or other countries in their sphere? Right. Exactly.
Americans are waking up. Maybe not fast enough for you. But its happening. Your clinging to past ethnic and societal hatreds does no good. Germans don’t want war with Russia. There is more similarity between those cultures than not. I’m not shilling for Merkel or Putin — but most of what they do in public is theatre. And part of that theatre is to mollify dangerous cartel elements who are likely blackmailing the safety and security of citizens.
To be honest, most of the sanctions hurt EU much more than Russia. These sanctions will have the effect of encouraging local economies and markets to develop and grow. Cheap goods and services always impede and degrade local markets. Oligarchs depend on cheap goods and services. These sanctions hurt Oligarchs. Maybe that’s the ultimate goal — eh?
American society was based on civility, integrity, personal responsibility and justice. It was NEVER a perfect model. No material construct ever is. But as a child my neighborhood had Christians, Jews, Protestants, Catholics (no Muslims or Hindus that I recall). Virtually every ethnic group. Neighbors treated one another with civility and respect. Almost all were responsible members of the community. One was judged by ones actions and the way in which one conducted ones life. It was not based on money. Over time I noticed families arriving from other countries — mainly Eastern Europe — brought with them entrenched prejudices. The dynamics of the community changed rapidly. Civility was the first casualty. My family moved away. It was the house my great-grandfather built.
America today is not the America of 50 or 75 or 100 years ago. It is simply the problems of the “old world” magnified. The same people who pull the strings there — pull them here.
The only answer is to acknowledge we are ALL in the same boat — no matter where we live — no matter ones racial identity — and that the enemy we fight is the same one — the evil of this world. Otherwise the fratricide continues and evil is magnified. I don’t think that’s a strategy for success. Do you?
AGS: I loved reading sakers comment about tolerance because that is also what I believe. Most of my friends are Americans and let me tell you there are a wide bunch of them.
I wrote a long reply but decided not to post it since its meaning would be lost. But in short, I believe we are in great danger and there is not much one can do to remain safe. We just do not have the numbers. I have resigned myself to my fate but I can hope. And like steven hawkings I too do believe that we have less than 1000 years left to survive unless we drastically change and take action..
Alien Tech: “Do not be overcome by evil — but overcome evil with good.” You are not alone in your concerns about the future. But you seem to be approaching these events as if the battle were already lost. It isn’t. “Mankind will not merely endure, he shall prevail.” I believe in mankind’s innate humanity. I believe we are born predisposed to good. That “good” is mans natural state of being. And that evil is an aberration.
As a society we have learned to tolerate evil. Giving evil sanctuary will destroy mankind. We must take a stand — which is as Jesus Christ taught.
Be kind to yourself and to others. And thank you for your response.
Il Discobolo
New EU “sactions”, sponsored by Markel?
Answer: ban EU beer imports to Russia (alchoolic beverages with less that 9% alcool)from EU countries (with possible exceptions from Checkia and Slovackia owned firms).
In hindsight I think Russia actually dropped the ball on Syria. Instead of openly stating that al-Assad is a key regional ally and a bulwark against extremism and “we will fully back him”, they came out with the chem weapons disarmament proposal. so now the US/Israeli Zionists are safe from any military threat from Syria and can go in whenever they like under the guise of “attacking ISIS”. Nothing short of Russian advanced air defence systems, Russian crews and advisors will now stop the Western hyenas from devouring and balkanizing the Syrian state.
@ Anonymous 13:09
All Western beverages should be banned regardless of these sanctions. They are full of MSG, GMO, hormones, preservatives and poisons that are extremely dangerous and addictive. It undermines male and female fertility, throws off hormonal balance, destroys digestion and the white/red cell count.
Golly. Watching this gives me hope that reasoned voices are exposing lies and affirming truth. This interview is a keeper. Particularly as it “outs” the “soft-bigotry-of- low-expectations” in US International Relations academia and with Russian studies departments in particular. The comment that US universities teach their IR majors “values” versus “facts” is totally spot-on. It’s a travesty. And its why DOS is full of “American exceptionalism” like Nuland, Psaki and Haft — who were likely “A” students in ZIO-politics 101. We’ve lost 20+ years of real-politic thinkers, analysts, diplomats and academics. This is what the likes of Brzezinski & Co have done to the body of US international relations and diplomacy. History will not be kind to the ZIOs.
I adore Ray McGovern. Are there any left like him at CIA? Probably not. Likely they were driven out a long time ago. McGovern’s comments about Putin and Obama are in line with (my brother) Mohamed’s comments. (Dearest Mohamed — just wanted you to know that I am watching and noticing many patterns which echo your insight. And that I’m still here watching truth unfold as “fact”. Thanks again to Saker for all you do.
The ZPC/NWO raises the level of their war on Russia.
ЕС решил остановить добычу нефти в Арктике и на сланцевых месторождениях России (The EU has decided to halt oil production in the Arctic and in the shale oil fields of Russia)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/9/11/705213.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/news/2014/9/11/705213.html
“The European Union in the framework of the new sanctions against Russia decided to stop providing services for the development and production of oil in deep water, the Arctic and shale deposits, said in a Thursday statement of the Council of Europe.
Additional EU sanctions will come into force on 12 September, after the publication in the “Official journal”reports “Interfax”.
Let us add that the European Union has also decided to restrict access to the capital market for the largest defense and energy companies of Russia.
In addition, the sanctions list of the EU added 24 individuals, including new leaders DND, members of the government of Crimea, as well as leaders and businessmen from Russia.
As noted earlier, an official spokesman of the Russian foreign Ministry Alexander Lukashevich said that Russia’s response to the new EU sanctions will be commensurate. And the Russian presidential aide Andrei Belousov said that the second service response to Western sanctions ready. The second package Russia may restrict the import of cars and some light industry goods.
Earlier on Thursday, a diplomatic source said that the ambassadors of the EU agreed on the adoption of a new package of sanctions against Russia in connection with the situation in Ukraine.”
I’ll repeat what I’ve been saying: the European quisling regimes are fully part of the ZPC/NWO war against Russia. They are not reluctant partners in crime, or being forced into it. The Russians fully understand this.
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What a golden opportunity for the Russian Federation to raise questions about what really happened in America on September 11, 2001. Perhaps a few engineers from the Russian Academy of Sciences could give their opinion as well.
Off topic, but Dutch research television program just announced that they found out that the OVV (who released preliminary report on MH17) ” inadvertently” leaked passwords that give access to their systems and databases. OVV admits to this but denies that anyone could have seen classified information.
AGS said: “I adore Ray McGovern. Are there any left like him at CIA? Probably not. Likely they were driven out a long time ago. McGovern’s comments about Putin and Obama are in line with (my brother) Mohamed’s comments. (Dearest Mohamed — just wanted you to know that I am watching and noticing many patterns which echo your insight. And that I’m still here watching truth unfold as “fact”. Thanks again to Saker for all you do.”
Dearest sister AGS,
Thank you your kind words, and thank you Saker too, for being so kind and patient.
Two hours before, the Ray Video, I had posted a reply to American Kulak to his excellent post.
Here is my post to him, “Mohamed: 11 September, 2014 10:36”
“Dearest American Kulak,
Excellent write up. No way USA will bomb Assad.
Try to look at that the false flag of saran gas in a different light. That is was cooked up by both USA and Russia together, not for Assad but for some other reason. The precise number of 1483 of dead quoted by Kerry within seconds of false flag was a dead give away.
No the British and American people didn’t stop the war on Assad. It was the Empire and MSM pushing for that.
The same American people now want the USA to bomb ISIS in Syria without UN resolution. And, both Russia and China are saying that it is OK for the USA to do that.
We all are noting but willing buyers when it comes to MSM, one way or another.
LOL, Both WizOz and Meadhross will love this, selling our souls to ….
Best regards,
Mohamed.“
If you will remember sister, no terrorism took place during the Sochi 2014 Olympic, even after direct threats to Putin.
Kindest regards,
Mohamed.
This is funny.. The Ukies have started stealing EU gas.. Well you all knew this would happen. Now the pols are blaming Russia for the shortfall. But Russia says gas is still the same level as last week but Poland is only receiving a 3rd less.
Is yats dipping his toe in the water to see how far he can get away with?
This is absolutely the best CrossTalk ever!
I can’t remember the last time I saw intelligent, knowledgeable people discussing what is going on in this country and between us and Russia. The level of discourse is so far above what we’ve had here since that long-ago, faraway time before Luke Russert’s daddy dumbed down Meet The Press. And actually, of course, even MTP rarely reached these heights since so many of the guests always were pols — but they used to be smarter too, or at least show some evidence of genuine thought. Also absence of John McCain, which would almost automatically raise the level of discourse unless he was replaced by someone even worse.
AGS,
Yes to all you said. The capture of American higher education by values, ideology and money (don’t forget, it’s chump change for a billionaire or the DoD to capture a department or an entire school) is a total, horrifying shame, and one from which we may never recover, frankly.
Mohamed,
I’m beginning to see the light, maybe, although to me Obama’s just another Merkel trying to ride the best wave. But if at least he’s doing that, it’s better than nothing. My takeaway from this whole thing is that it’s the Neocons, but then I get all suspicious bc McGovern’s “ex-” CIA only up to the point where any CIA employee can be “ex”: i.e., everything he says or writes is unfortunately still subject to scrutiny. So in that sense he’s still limited hang-out and a good indication there’s still infighting and jockeying-for-position relative to all of this.
Some interesting facts about your overlords: Elizabeth II. The Queen Of Thieves – Creating Wars For Profit
@Nora: Mohamed, I’m beginning to see the light, maybe, although to me Obama’s just another Merkel trying to ride the best wave. But if at least he’s doing that, it’s better than nothing. My takeaway from this whole thing is that it’s the Neocons, but then I get all suspicious bc McGovern’s “ex-” CIA only up to the point where any CIA employee can be “ex”: i.e., everything he says or writes is unfortunately still subject to scrutiny. So in that sense he’s still limited hang-out and a good indication there’s still infighting and jockeying-for-position relative to all of this.
Dearest Sister,
Full agree! ~:)
The USA mid-term elections are soon.
Most probably the cease fire will be broken. And, then the illusory sanctions and counter sanctions for Obama and Putin to act tuff with each other.
Produces like apples from Poland will be labeled from Egypt and so forth.
The Evil Whisper is very strong, though right now as American Kulak put it there is not all right in The House of Zion.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Nora said: but then I get all suspicious bc McGovern’s “ex-” CIA only up to the point where any CIA employee can be “ex”: i.e., everything he says or writes is unfortunately still subject to scrutiny
Agree!
Was it McGovern who was in Russia presenting an award to Snowden. Again, they are all on it together, due to this I am optimistic that some of the lost civil liberties will be hopefully soon restored to us.
The Source will always protect His good slaves.
God told Adam not to approach the Tree lest you will become an oppressor. The Tree didn’t have any significance, and the Merciful God forgave Adam.
Man is oppressor and the sufferings will continue till the end.
Hopefully, I am not preaching but letting you know the differences in beliefs.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Dearest AGS and Nora,
Just imagine what kind of logistic will be involved in feeding 20,000 ISIS forces on a daily.
“Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show
With some smart-ass New York Jew
And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox
And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too
Well, he may be a fool but he’s our fool
If they think they’re better than him they’re wrong
So I went to the park and I took some paper along
And that’s where I made this song”
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Dear Nora,
I agree regarding Ray McGovern. On one hand I’m thrilled that someone — ANYONE — with his background speaks the truth now and again. He’s a devout Catholic — likely one of William Colby’s boys. But Jesuits are just as dangerous as Zionists. Both have a history of harboring and abetting pedophiles — among other sins of causistry. That entire former intelligence analysts group that went to meet with Snowden is suspect. Thomas Drake in particular. Binney (who did not go to Russia) is the only one who may be genuine. Then again — what do I know? My comments are based on personal and visceral reaction to how these people present themselves. Some seem more genuine than others. They could ALL be limited hangout agents. At some level — they are — because they try to lead us down certain “belief” paths.
I was really drawn by the overall rational presentation (less frenetic than Lavelles typical format) and really enjoyed listening to Gilbert Doctorow and Nickolai Petro. You’re absolutely right Nora — this discourse was reminiscent of higher level discussion we once had in this country on serious subjects. Before Fox and CNN and MSNBC and all the crazy-azz screamers and idiots took over. At one time this was our typical discourse. Now we have to go to Russian TV & News to get any semblance of what we crave — intelligent, honest and informed FACT-BASED dialogue about the challenges that face mankind. Oh Nora, I do miss THAT America. I’m ready to move somewhere, ANYWHERE people engage this way as a matter of course. It may mean I learn to speak Russian. Not a slam-dunk. Trust me.
I half-listened to Obama last evening. All farce. And because I see it as farce — it makes listening difficult. The media, political chattering class, the lobbyists, our “experts” are all driving the herd down the chute to the slaughter. I’m bored and disgusted by it all. If they spent half as much time and energy helping mankind — it would be a marvelous thing to behold.
I’m beginning to think Brother Mohamed may be better connected than he admits. Or he is a new-age prophet. Or something. Either way, hope he remembers us on whatever plane of existence we find ourselves one day when the chit hits the fan and all.
A
AGS if you’re still around,
Yes. And re: McGovern and the other boys from or hired by Langley. I do think there’s still a lot of infighting there: have you noticed a shift in pov among some of our trolls? ;~) I think it’s the third one I’ve seen so far, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens.
It was very clear to me that there will be more EU sanctions against RF, including sanctions targeting the energy sector.
I don’t know on what world you are living in, but in the real world, european elites, with the exception of few industrialists, don’t want closer ties with Russia. For exampe the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs recently said that they no longer consider Russia to be a Strategic Partner of the EU.
This is not just about the economy.
Simply put, european elites want to live in a nice order, although a US imposed one, and consider Russia to be a bunch of barbarians.
As the German President recently said, they don’t want to live “under the law of the jungle”.
Russia is a 2 trillion economy and the US is a 16 trillion economy. So it obvious that the EU will prefer to work with the US against Russia, as long as Russia remains a weak country.
So maybe you are surprized, but i’m not surprised at all that it was Germany, “Russia’s close partner” that pushed for the latest sanctions.
As you can see, the joint EU-US sanctions against Russia already started, regardless of the fact that there is a ceasefire in Ukraine.
Therefore, i think that all those who thought that the EU will work with Russia against the US, or that that the EU and the US do not desire to severely punish Russia, are totally inadequate and live in another world.
Nora — Yep. I’m still here. Not only have I noticed a shift. I notice certain ones I followed are no longer posting here or MOA and ZH. You may recall I thanked certain posters some time back. Almost immediately they vanished. Someone is “taking names and kicking azz”. And for some time I notice there’s a reaction to our discourse.
I am aware of or sensitive to the push and pull of human thought. Nora — we (dwelling here on Saker) are the “bell-weathers” of consciousness. We definitely have “followers” (aka spiders) who wish to pattern and control our consciousness. Those who are interested in how we see the world — and why. Not saying this to give myself or others personal “cred” or puffing-up ones importance. It’s simply that we have self-sorted into a rather interesting data bucket — and the spiders want to know how we got here. The fact we don’t consider ourselves “different” or “chosen” or “special” is in itself rather fascinating to them.
At one time I managed and directed quants who modeled financial data. I looked at the data, found patterns and pointed them to analyze particular aspects. The real power of data metrics is the ability to SEE patterns in anomalies. In the financial biz — ones competitive advantage is based on having large subsets of data anomalies — aka non-performing loans — that others don’t have. You want to pattern anomalies. It’s why Fannie and Freddie portfolios were so valuable. They had HUGE datasets of non-performing loans over long periods of time giving credit analysts lots of anomalies to analyze and forecast future performance.
To the spiders we are just a big pool of non-performing loans. They want to understand why we think as we do. To “pattern” us and build “derivatives” which mirror the effects of our thinking to displace and degrade the impact (the good) our particular thinking generates. Their job is to control the pool and mitigate the risk we represent to their portfolio. They work hard to divert our attention. Our job is to support mankind.
The purpose of this site is to ENCOURAGE Truth. To give courage to other Truth-tellers. There is no sanctity nor sanctuary in evil. The battle is waged in consciousness. Not in Maidan or Bagdad. “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.” Maybe one day they’ll figure us out.
A
To Passer by:
Focusing your argument on elites (or 1%ers or cartel) and what they do and think and direct while totally ignoring the rest of humanity will limit your ability to either predict or influence outcomes. Patterns of human thought is ignored by fools — and will cause the cartel train to veer off its course. You are right in one regard. No doubt the EU elites revile the Rus in boudoirs and salons across the continent. Likely similar to the laments of Savile members regarding those ruffians and bores in Scotland. Just wait until the vote next week. Whatever the outcome, City of London will need lots of dentists to ease the teeth-grinding which will ensue.
Regardless of pedigree — the Germans share one important trait with Russians. Pragmatism. Middle class Germans are less and less enthralled with the US. Closer ties with Russia becomes increasingly likely and more attractive with time. Both dismiss the Poles. They have that in common too.
The US economy is unraveling. That’s FACT. Whether it unravels fast or slow is the only question. Americans are beginning to see the future — and its MUCH less attractive than the past. Both materially and spiritually. These FACTS continue to gain traction.
Germany pushing for more sanctions seems contrived. Like maybe its part of a scrip that allows everyone to perpetuate a myth. Isn’t Germany the birth-place of fairytales? Brothers Grimm?
If I were an elite, I’d be a very light sleeper. Keeping an eye open at all times. Not be lulled into any particular notion or mode of thought. And very observant in terms of the general consciousness. Weakness is revealed by what you ignore.
Just helping the spiders see the big picture… Cheers.
AGS,
;~)
I’m trained to examine patterns of different sorts…
But they sure do jump out at you, don’t they, even when they try to sound like someone else: poke at ’em a bit and they always leak.
If this is the first-string, I’m not real impressed.
If you’ve got the time, btw (1-1/2 hrs. +), check out this video: you won’t agree with all of it either but it’s still very interesting and aimed, I think, at the entire cross-section of consciousness-capable Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU
Passer by it is good to know there are others who are not slow :) Usually it takes others years to get them to see what is happening. It might have to do with wishing it real unlike seeing what is real. When ever I see anything about brotherly love with Germans and Russians I almost puke. What Russia and Germany have is not love but cooperation between corporation. Like Microsoft and Apple working together.. Unlike Microsoft and Intel which is a symbiotic relationship. If Germany can gain an advantage, it will jump at the chance to trash Russia. But not at its own expense. Germany already got their 4th Reich and even Hitler never dreamed of a Europe so tightly controlled by Germany and better yet, pay for everything German all the while thinking they are taking advantage of German greatness. Wonder how the Greeks feel now about being able to take advantage of German generosity.
If one cant see that Germany is the enemy because they started this mess then they are using wishing it real scenario instead of what is real. Germany has not been on the side of humanity since WW2. Everything they have done makes the lives of others worse. Then again, keeping the same people pretty much in charge who placed the likes of the nazi’s in power cant be very good for change no matter what new names are used.
I just loved it when merkel said if peace holds in Ukraine then they wont place any sanctions, then if russia has any troops in ukraine, they need to be withdrawn and then well we want to place sanctions because Russia is a destabilizing force.. Thats really the pot calling the flame black. It all looks like she wants to appear as the good guy so as to control Russia’s actions to not do anything that might upset her plans all the while appearing as a friend with a knife held hidden behind her back. Germany is a far bigger threat to Russia than the US will ever be. Americans will bluster and puff a lot but take away their toilet paper and they will run crying to mummy. In the last 100 years, the tough guy wild west Americans have been tamed by force in meek couch potatoes that think playing video games makes them strategic geniuses.
To Alien Tech: You act as if Americans (or Germans for that matter) actually control what their governments do. Our governments are owned and controlled by the self-same Bolsheviks and Zionists which devastated Russia. On that score you might recognize — and actually sympathise — with our struggle. Did middle class Russians have ANY control over what the Soviet political classes did or said or perpetrated on Russian society or other countries in their sphere? Right. Exactly.
Americans are waking up. Maybe not fast enough for you. But its happening. Your clinging to past ethnic and societal hatreds does no good. Germans don’t want war with Russia. There is more similarity between those cultures than not. I’m not shilling for Merkel or Putin — but most of what they do in public is theatre. And part of that theatre is to mollify dangerous cartel elements who are likely blackmailing the safety and security of citizens.
To be honest, most of the sanctions hurt EU much more than Russia. These sanctions will have the effect of encouraging local economies and markets to develop and grow. Cheap goods and services always impede and degrade local markets. Oligarchs depend on cheap goods and services. These sanctions hurt Oligarchs. Maybe that’s the ultimate goal — eh?
American society was based on civility, integrity, personal responsibility and justice. It was NEVER a perfect model. No material construct ever is. But as a child my neighborhood had Christians, Jews, Protestants, Catholics (no Muslims or Hindus that I recall). Virtually every ethnic group. Neighbors treated one another with civility and respect. Almost all were responsible members of the community. One was judged by ones actions and the way in which one conducted ones life. It was not based on money. Over time I noticed families arriving from other countries — mainly Eastern Europe — brought with them entrenched prejudices. The dynamics of the community changed rapidly. Civility was the first casualty. My family moved away. It was the house my great-grandfather built.
America today is not the America of 50 or 75 or 100 years ago. It is simply the problems of the “old world” magnified. The same people who pull the strings there — pull them here.
The only answer is to acknowledge we are ALL in the same boat — no matter where we live — no matter ones racial identity — and that the enemy we fight is the same one — the evil of this world. Otherwise the fratricide continues and evil is magnified. I don’t think that’s a strategy for success. Do you?
AGS: I loved reading sakers comment about tolerance because that is also what I believe. Most of my friends are Americans and let me tell you there are a wide bunch of them.
I wrote a long reply but decided not to post it since its meaning would be lost. But in short, I believe we are in great danger and there is not much one can do to remain safe. We just do not have the numbers. I have resigned myself to my fate but I can hope. And like steven hawkings I too do believe that we have less than 1000 years left to survive unless we drastically change and take action..
Alien Tech: “Do not be overcome by evil — but overcome evil with good.” You are not alone in your concerns about the future. But you seem to be approaching these events as if the battle were already lost. It isn’t. “Mankind will not merely endure, he shall prevail.” I believe in mankind’s innate humanity. I believe we are born predisposed to good. That “good” is mans natural state of being. And that evil is an aberration.
As a society we have learned to tolerate evil. Giving evil sanctuary will destroy mankind. We must take a stand — which is as Jesus Christ taught.
Be kind to yourself and to others. And thank you for your response.