Saw that Nato was foaming at the mouth at the new pact and treaty between Russia and Abkhazia.
Abkhazia’s status has been disputed since the break-up of the Soviet Union, as the Abkhaz SSR was considered an “autonomous” republic, but one that was associated with the Georgian SSR.
When the Soviet Union broke up, Georgia sought to include Abkhazia, arguing Soviet-granted autonomy no longer applied.
By the same token an artificial entity like Ukraine created by the USSR is normal..
NATO is mad because it doesn’t recognize the right of Abkhazia to exist as an independent republic, and wants it eventually annexed into Georgia
In the last 6 years, since the occupation of the White House by Hollywood actor, Obomber, supposedly of the Democrat gang, the political pendulum has swung toward an ever stronger Police State, with accelerated US government implanting of Neo-Nazi regimes throughout the planet.
This process has accelerated far more rapidly under the umbrella of a supposed liberal Democrat ruler than it could under the leadership of the officially conservative Republican gang.
Hollywood Obomber stifles all criticism of the American sponsorship of Fascism, from the remnants of the US Left, which has been imprisoned within the Democrat gang since Dec. 7, 1941.
I will only mention in passing that US President Obomber is portrayed by the same Hollywood actor who, earlier, performed as Bin Laden. As with Superman and Clark Kent, Obomber and Bin Laden were never seen at the same place or at the same time.
*Poor Donald Trump; he got it all wrong. The question is not where Obomber was born, but whether or not he was born. Neither Bin Laden, or Obomber ever existed.
The United States government is a totalitarian affair, an Oligarchy. It has been so since “the coup d’etat in Dallas” on Nov, 22, 1963. The old habits of moderation and legal equality have steadily declined, with each administration, ever closer to the political abyss. The Patriot Act and the National defense Authorization Acts (renewed, and passed by overwhelming congressional vote of both political gangs), give legal cover to the American government terror.
It is no surprise, the American political stooges of the Zionist land thieves, who never cease to scream “holocaust” to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people, have openly voted against a resolution condemning Nazism. Indeed, only the US, Canada, and puppet Ukraine, voted against the resolution.
The war against Russia, which is being conducted not only against Novorossiya, but against all sides of Russia, can only be conducted by Neo-Nazis, as the attack on the Russia (USSR – Russia by any other name) of 1940, necessitated Nazi educated troops to carry it out.
The conscripts of the so-called ‘Ukrainian’ regime were unable and unwilling to stand against the Rebel Partisans. Only Nazis and elite American military units can be relied upon to crush Russia. Their methods include heavy bombardment of civilian cities such as Dentez & Luhansk, as well as terror against civilians in the areas of occupied Novorossiya.
Ask the Native Americans (Indians) how they were defeated by American soldiers. Their towns were burned down, and their women and children were assassinated or imprisoned. That is how the US defeated the Philippines independentists, and the Phoenix program which created havoc in Vietnam.
One hope is that the Europeans can free themslves from the occupation/control of America. The other hope is that Americans can also perform some miracles.
Within the United States there is an open season on allowing police and guards to execute unarmed African American males. Obomber, provides the necessary cover for Police state terror and a militarized and fascized police rule. The republicans could not provide that service. More of the same cover can be expected from Hilary Clinton.
The work of American Partisans is laid out before us. Can we accomplish it? If not, at least put up a good fight & go down swinging.
Ann, if you are here, I have some questions you may be able to answer. I studied Steiner a little when I was young. Steiner said it was vital to keep anglos and russians from engaging in mortal combat and, strange as it seems, the germans were tasked with preventing it from happening. The two were kept apart in two world wars, but not anymore. Anything can happen now. You probably know much more than I do and I look forward to your comments. What does the future bring?
I am not going into details, they can be misunderstood, so I am only saying Steiner also spoke about two spiritual forces that eventually will have to bow to the Lord. It was a central theme of his teachings. Will central Europe, the third force, finally play a role when it looks as if the EU is no more than a US colony?
These are difficult things to discuss on a public blog, considering Steiners teachings are not generally known. You may be the only one who understands what I am talking about.
I read Steiner in three languages, but I can’t say I understand him. The problem is it is difficult to translate german from and to other languages and I am not the first one to say so. Kant, who wrote High german, had many problems when he started writing philosophy in german instead of french. When I read Schauberger, a man from Austria, I noticed some germanspeakers also had problems with him. His writings seem to be encrypted. I had the advantage of knowing another related germanic language, that helped a little, and I had a demanding german teacher, but I never was able to understand the austrians completely. Steiner is still a mystery to me.
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I hope you enjoy it
Merkel does not know what to do with Putin? It is so simple!
11/26/2014 22:56
I’m reading a report on the speech of the chancellor of the Bundestag. during which she complains that in EU the ideas of “How to influence Putin?” now all dried up. The best minds of Europe are scratching their heads, how “hit hard” on the table so that Putin started. They do not know. And I know. And now I explain:
To punish Russia so that it would be an absolute punishment, is necessary all across Europe, and immediately regect the Russian hydrocarbons. That’s right tomorrow – “bam” – that’s all. Compelety done. Do not refuel the cars, extinguish boilers, even fuel that we have already needs to be returned to the fields. Can you imagine what will happen … Not only Putin, all of Russia would shudder.
However, there is some inconvenience in this suggestion … But we do this for what is it …… for democracy – yes.. We are willing to suffer for that. Isn’t it so, frau chancellor?
Strange that such great minds of Europe could not come to such simple solution
In Australia, we are under the rule of Tony Abbott, who is a natural fascist, soaked in Roman Catholic reaction since youth, a proud, boastful liar, a bully and misogynist and a ‘suck-hole’ to the Exceptional Ones. His regime is driven by hatred. They are in an open alliance with Rupert Murdoch’s MSM sewer, a mighty engine of hate and fear-mongering. Putin is hated with frenzied urgency, in every nook and cranny of the propaganda system, because, despite being ‘Free’ and saying so with neurotic repetition and frequency, no one dares commit ‘Thought Crime’ in the ‘Free Press’. Chinese President Xi visited recently charming people and visiting Tasmania. He addressed the Federal Parliament and was affable and courteous, then we signed a ‘Free Trade’ pact. Almost as if in response to these successes, the Rightwing MSM has launched a grotesque new phase in its perennial ‘Hate China’ campaign. You must understand that our Free Press never runs stories sympathetic or adulatory of China despite its stupendous achievements. Coverage has been approximately 99.99% negative over many years. At the same time the Abbott regime is running campaigns against the poor and welfare recipients, as in most of of the rest of the Atlaticist Empire. Environmentalism is being attacked with savage fury, climate destabilisation vigorously denied, renewable energy sabotaged, ‘protected’ forests clear-felled, marine reserves eliminated, National Parks privatised and the Great Barrier Reef destroyed through malignant neglect. Trade unions are under attack, wages are being driven down, manufacturing deliberately destroyed, and the indigenous are facing a vigorous and vicious campaign of dispossession, ethnic cleansing, child removal and humiliation pursued with ferocious resolve. In other words we have a regime almost parodic in its malevolence, its misanthropy, its moral and spiritual corruption, and, not surprisingly, its incompetence. This situation has been coming for years, since Nixon abrogated Bretton Woods in 1971, I would say, but its psychological roots go way back. The Free Market capitalist system only works for the capital-owning, parasite elite. Any brief period of social progress, of upward mobility, of easing of labor exploitation, and sharing of wealth equitably, as pertained in the West for ‘thirty glorious years’ after WW2, (out of fear of Communism mostly, and to drive mass consumption)will always end, because in the reptilian brains of the elite, there is a fixed revulsion at the thought of equality and fraternity. The ruling psychotics under capitalism fear and hate others, and eventually they cannot help themselves and will end any relatively egalitarian era and return to the feudalism they prefer. And it started in the USA with the infamous ‘Powell Memorandum’ of 1971.Since then debt has grown, the labour share of GNP dropped by 10%, executive extractions have grown like topsy, short-term, casualised, contingent and criminally low-paid work has become the norm, and communities like Ferguson and societies like the USA are ticking time-bombs. Herein lies a golden opportunity for Russia and China. Simply by ensuring greater egalitarianism and fairness, by redistributing wealth from the few to the many, and by working towards greater social decency inside their societies and between them, they will become a cynosure to decent people everywhere. The greedy, misanthropic and hate-filled will always prefer Mordor-on-the-Potomac, but if Moscow and Beijing become its polar opposites, the process of collapse in the Atlanticist Empire will be hastened. And I think that the two should also establish and fund organs, call them National Institutes for Human Solidarity and Decency, perhaps, and fund them like the US funds the NED et al, and set them to work inside the Exceptionalist states. That should put a few cats amongst the pigeons.
Russia should prepare a foreign legion of hard core strong regiments who can go behind enemy lines and sort out murdock, abott and all war crminals like tont blair to justice. british have their mercenaries_ – they are calked ISIS and taliban. why not rusdia create a army of those who want to kill on behalf of humanity those war criminals who are at a large and whom Hague wil not touch.
Although Steiner spoke in German, his lectures in English translation come through fine….I don’t speak German and have been reading RS for decades…I feel that I am his pupil.
I would have to read your first question much more carefully, but I will try to say in a few words what my understanding of the problems between the West, the Middle and the East are. I will speak from Steiner’s viewpoint and will not keep saying “Steiner says”
The world runs in epochs. We are now in the fifth. The middle Europeans are the leading cultural force now…although the English and Americans have a certain role to play in the development of intellectuality.
The Russians will lead the sixth epoch.
The English will try to usurp the leadership from the Germans in the fifth…and don’t want the Russians to lead the sixth. The English as a people are not violent usurpers, but the secret brotherhoods of the English are, and are controlling the population.
This is a small sample of what Steiner said about the world conflagration that was happening 100 years ago…pretty right on….
My dad lives in Alberta. God I hate that place. Ukrainian nazis are only one variety of the rightist mental cases that populate that province. Send them all to the US and resettle the israelis there, I say.
In my opinion, traditionalism is the obvious choice for Russia to fill the “big idea” gap left by the USSR, the ideological state apparatus. They could conceivably try to build a radically new ideology of communal identity as many have in history, e.g. Jesus or Mohammad, radical breaks from tradition, but no one has the taste for grand experiments in Russia these days.
However, it does seem to me that some form of overt ideological committment to leftism would make sense for Russia. Nevermind the social side, it would provide continuity with the red army victory. Overtly tying religious values to leftist values is easy, both being eternal human values beyond label and category. It could make for a much more coherent historical narrative, identity and social cohesion
Nice story and good suggestion. As German I can say, for “Democracy”, “Western values”, and of course Merkel we like it to live without heating, electricity and fuel – especially in winter.
By the way, German newspapers show that the head of Naftogaz has a similar idea, at least as regards the effects. It is always nice to see how the bankrupt Ukraine gives the EU orders.
“EU countries should cancel gas contracts with Russia”
“The Chief of Ukrainian gas group Naftogaz urged EU countries to unilateral change of all gas contracts with Russia. ‘Negotiating with Gazprom is unrealistic. The treaties must be changed unilaterally’, said Andriy Kobolew in an interview of the Slovak daily newspaper ‘Pravda’.
Instead of previously existing bilateral agreements of the EU countries with Gazprom, a common market of the EU including the Ukraine should arise, whereby gas will be traded freely.
Kobolew demanded that Slovakia must significantly increase the gas deliveries to the Ukraine, what will currently prevented by existing contracts between Slovakia and Gazprom. Slovakia depends on to nearly one hundred percent of Russian gas, which is delivered through the neighboring country Ukraine. Since September 2014, Slovakia has delivered through the so-called ‘reverse flow’, so reversing the direction of gas transmission from West to East, gas in the Ukraine.”
Hope so. My first thought when I read that Israel’s boitoy in France suspended delivery was that this would effectively kill off France as a serious arms exporter. India, being a member of BRICS, really has no choice but to reconsider the fighter buy now, given the huge risk. That they chose one of Israel’s toy colonies surprised me to begin with since it is obvious that Israel/western fascists are calling in the chips of all their stooges worldwide in an effort to maintain their sliding world position. That means colony France would do the same to India whan massa orders, as they are now doing to Russia. My guess it was zionist influence in India, of which there is a lot, that OK’d such a self-defeating deal to begin with. It’s one of their hallmarks to entice victims into dependencies upon zionist controlled assets so later they can tighten the screws.
Killing off France as an arms supplier also makes more business for France’s “friendly rivals” in the fascist west, such as Israel and American companies (not that these are actually different now). So besides being playing geopolitics against Russia, this also is a hardball geo-business move. Maybe India’s zio-5th elements can push through a F-35/Israeli modified replacement for those Rafales? I’m sure the thought has crossed their depraved minds.
Btw, it always intrigues me the MSM’s double standards when it comes to Russia and China. I lived in China for seven years and was in Beijing for the Olympics. In the run up to that there was so much gushing apologism for China in the MSM. Any criticism was labelled china-bashing, the post-Tienanmen bleeding hearts were weeded out etc etc.
I think you could say that the first stage of the Chinese colour revoloution has already happened. Boxilai crushed the mafia and steered growth to aid society. He was removed by the ‘pro-reform’ crowd. The trend under their rule to wealth concentration is creating a large Chinese propertied class (property as in means of production, not posessions). The US knows that this large and growing class will naturally share interests with the the American global vision and serve the same role as the liberal swine oligarchy in Russia.
Plan A is to secure a willing and compliant China to the global Fed/Treasury run system. Anything else is a contingency plan. Many big capitalist outfits in the US actually got their start in AIG and were distraught in 1949 when “we lost China.” They’ve never lost the dream of 1.5 bil customers.
This dream has always been a bit naive, as has the west’s view of China in general. I doubt that the US plan will work. Chinese are traditionally an extremely chauvinistic nation (all kinds of foreigners were referred to as barbarians and beasts in official documentation) which sees itself as the centre of civilization which has 200 years of humiliation to avenge.
I agree with you, it is a disgusting article. About the content is not much to say. I think Merkel feels a strong dislike if not even hatred of Russia and especially Putin. Because she has no own opinion and implement only the statements from Washington, then also hour-long talks are useless with Putin.
A few short comments on Putin’s “charm offensive”.
“The most public example of this was an interview Putin gave to German public television station ARD. Broadcast on the eve of Merkel’s Sydney speech, Putin struck an unusually conciliatory tone, saying he was convinced there was a way out of the crisis.”
The interview on ARD was apparently not right for the anti-Putin campaign. Putin’s appearance was friendly, calm and sympathetic his answers were well thought out, rational and comprehensible. That was not the crazy lunatic who for months was presented to the German audience. Against this positive impression they had to do something. So, the broadcast has been embedded in a talk show, where two journalists, one historian and our Minister of defense declared the audience the correct reading of the interview. There, the interviewer also had to justify that he not strongly enough had conducted the interview and Putin could even finish his answers. They are trying to correct the positive impression. A discussion of Putin’s arguments did not occur in the three talk shows to the same topic in recent days or in the numerous press articles. The media and Chancellor Merkel insist further on its position and ignore any solution proposed by Russia. And then they accuse such an attitude to the Russians.
“As part of this campaign, Kremlin-funded broadcaster RT — formerly known as Russia Today — launched a German language station this month to put across Moscow’s view of the crisis.”
At the moment, RT deutsch is only a Web site, where they publish news articles and videos. In the evening, there is a 30-minute live broadcast with news and interviews, which still lacks the professionalism and routine. There should be a TV channel next year. Nevertheless, the MSM make a fuss about it and publish articles about “Putin’s propaganda station”. There could be no better advertising campaign for RT deutsch.
“German media have been complaining for months about their news sites being bombarded with pro-Russian comments. German security sources say they are part of an organized offensive steered from the Kremlin.”
There’s no proof at all. Already in May, a major German daily newspaper was disappointed that the Russia-friendly comments mostly come from long-term subscribers and that no foreign influence is detectable by the IP addresses. Some newspapers abolished completely the comment function for articles on the subject of Ukraine/Russia. Others simply sort out the not approved posts, until the ratio per and versus is right for them.
Steiner, R. have one problem, and I have read Him, is the language used, witch is basicly Esoteric, witch is like religious rethoric confined but used by people not totaly aware of whats been sayed, or lack the convictions of self expirienced realitys. A bigg problem regading “religiousness” at large. And even Steiner had problems, when we aproatch the Gap. One even more missunderstud person is Nitzhes, witch I recomend is “So speaked Zarathustrat”, this is about Human psyhce, not about race or anything like that.
Il be frank, humanity have two problems,bascily, cowardness and greed, both interwoven into eatch others, this even goes to the Consciousness behind the mind, a mind hammered with impressions 24/7 cant rest, and this will make any sane person slowly insane, and by that, depart from the reality we do live in. People is been marginalised, compartementalised and polarised to sutch an expent they dont even dear to think oiutside the Box, and certanly not Go there.
People are been denied the truth for centurys or eons of time, by not nescessery their own fault, since all MSM is rotten its truly difficoul to werify anything this days, when seach engines as Google is becomed corrupted and is a bigg lier, pimps the ZioNazis agenda 24/7, by manipulating seachs results, and stack it as its the “nromality” or by whatever means they have. Try to seach for “the teachings of islam” and what do you gett as a “result” is propaganda from the very beginning of a lott of the pages, reightwinged freak sites is all been stacked from the start, and you have to read thrue a lott of flatout lies and hate proaganda before you start to read something more alignend with the truth about Islam from people with knowledge and not been collored by the massive anlsougth of propaganda. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS.
Just ONE ex. This goes for History, eCONomics, religion, and so on.
My recomendments is simple, if you dont know, educate your self, and have the truth in your mind, read both sides of the story, always, know the oposits arguments as well as your own. And above all, think less, you think to mutch. hehe I mean it.
I have shown the true words of Muhammad (pbwh) and now, the words of Yeshua. This, is, infact the truth about Humans, is this religion, well, I dont know if I wil agree upon the term used, when religion have lost its path a long time ago. And people that is true masters are dying out, if there are any one left.
WE are light manifested as matter. Respect everything, thread lightly, and love life.
peace
“No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.” ― Gautama Buddha
Dear Saker, you must have played with the thought(and probably rejected as idiotic) for Russia to take out the Saudi + Qatar oil installations or export hub at the Persian gulf: Restoring of the oil price and a lot less money for wahabi madrassas and jihad.
I´m not so worried about Russia, but I do worry about Venezuela and the stability of Latin America. For many Europeans like me, Russian culture (and some of your viewpoints) are just a little too conservative, although highly respected. Latin culture in the mix can loosen things up quite a bit for us. We need more distance from the Anglo culture, although English is for northern Europeans the easiest language to learn.
Mulga Mumblebrain the very same events already happened in the US. So you can forecast what it is going to be like there in the future. It seems the queen is a lot more lenient in her castle than her colonies. But there is one thing that separates all the anglo saxxon colonies in that the Gun ownership in the US is way higher. But since the no child left behind, everyone even with a degree has the reasoning power of a five year old. You have to try really hard to learn reality from the fiction put out by the propaganda machines. But actions are much harder to do. The police force is now there to serve and protect the corporations.
This has to be one of the better Cross-talks imo. No moral compass and no capacity for regret or remorse.
And while browsing on FB found this deep call from the human soul from Hugo Chavez — I agree with his curse … “Where is the ‘effing justice in this world?” !!!
The rafale contract with India is not a sure deal. They wanted over 200 fighters to tidy up until the new stealth jets are ready in 2020. Russia is on a crash course to finish developing these jets. India is very sensitive to sanctions since they got stuck in the middle of development when the US sanctioned all high tech and exports to India. It took over a decade to develop the same technologies and like Iran once burnt, you dont really want to depend on someone who might not deliver and not to depend on something that is a national security issue.
“This is a small sample of what Steiner said about the world conflagration that was happening 100 years ago…pretty right on….”
and 27 November, 2014 05:17
“Now I’ve read your question much more carefully, and yes…a scary thought about the future…”
Ann, thank you very much for your response. A scary thought indeed. I am glad we understand each other. Steiner is unique and requires a lot of study. You have done your homework.
“If Disqus shuts down, hundreds of millions of comments would be wiped away from a wide range of sites, since by the very nature of the service, comment content is not being managed locally by sites implementing the service.”
” The USA holds Guantanamo in perpetuity for $2000 annual rent”
Even the censors appear blind?
After all your contribution posits that the USA will exist in perpetuatity.
Or perhaps the censors were adept at understanding that the premise is/was ludicrous and publication likely to encourage action on the part of those who are not USA?
If everything was self-evident there would be no room for thought?
Hi Anon, you’re probably not looking back this far, but I’d like to say that I have not read any quote by Steiner that agreed with what you said. But I haven’t read all Steiner. And some of his really great lectures about West, Middle and East haven’t been translated into English.
As far as the future goes, and what Steiner says about the dangers facing humanity now..I myself would reply that we still have to do the right things, even if there is no hope. There’s no predetermination…the future is ours. If enough people think, feel and do the right things, then humanity will get through this. One of the only real dangers is that the planet is destroyed by a nuclear holocaust. I mean that the entire, entire human race is finished….then our whole evolution…all four planets of it will be for naught. That’s the only real danger…or at least one of the only dangers…there are other too, but its not really good to use Saker’s blog to describe them.
“Hi Anon, you’re probably not looking back this far, but I’d like to say that I have not read any quote by Steiner that agreed with what you said. But I haven’t read all Steiner. And some of his really great lectures about West, Middle and East haven’t been translated into English.”
There is an interesting statue in Goetheanum. The statue illustrates the difference between what we can call the West and the East. Both must bow to the Lord in the end. The first Goetheanum was destroyed. I am not sure, but I think the statue still exists. When I understood the message of the statue, I understood Steiner much better. There is/was a Steiner archive on the net. Perhaps you can find more there.
If I remember correctly, I found Steiners words about Germanys mission in a book in English. Around 1916, he also said there was a chance for peace. He was critical of the German leaders for ignoring the chance. I am not good at remembering sources, but I think I found it in an interesting book written by a Christian priest. The priest met Steiner for several years and eventually embraced his teachings.
When we live in this material world, we don’t usually see the real forces at work. Swedenborg says all wars are spiritual wars and Steiner thinks along the same lines. I do think Steiner is right about Germanys destiny. This time Germany serves the West and suffers economically. Is it possible the suicidal sanctions are the minimum evil? That without them, we would have a direct confrontation? I don’t know.
I pick up interesting things, but I don’t remember where I found them. I hope you don’t have to spend hours looking for them. Perhaps you can ask someone who has visited Goetheanum? The book by the priest is worth a read. He gives firsthand accounts of his conversations with Steiner. Steiners own unfinished biography gives insights in his early life. I think it is also in English.
Good luck with your studies, Ann. I will check this thread again.
Hi Anon. I know about the statue. Its called the Representative of Man. And He stands between Lucifer and Satan. He calls Satan Ahriman as the Persian religion does…not Islam but Zoroasterism.
Yes, he gave alot of wonderful lectures during the war, about the East the West and the Middle. Nowadays people forget that the Middle is such…they just think in terms of East and West.
But I think that now that Russian has had to turn to the East … it is the east but is going further east, then Germany hopefully will follow. Germany is not a highly political country. Its kind of stupid politically, but its culture is the highest now…although I don’t know if that’s true anymore. Its culture was the highest, before WW1.
I wish RS didn’t die so soon, and that we had more to read. Not that one could ever get to the end of his works…6000 lectures.
But he seemed to get more depressed about the future of humanity as time went on. The scariest things he said were at the end of his life, and I don’t believe it was because of his illness.
But that’s why we have to be brave. Its not pre-ordained that humanity will end. So there’s good reason to work towards a normal development.
One thing Steiner did say was that the confrontation with evil is now…that’s now.
I have hope that Russians will hold out and that this will pass.
I hope it so much, because I can’t imagine what next incarnation will be like if Russia doesn’t become the leader, until Germany gets back to its mission. There’s still about 1500 years before Germany’s mission is over. And if Russia can help her now, then German culture will come back. In fact, a great anthroposoph living today in Basle said to me, because I had told him that in my next incarnation I would be Russian, he said, no, its still Germany…I mean the middle Europe…that will be the leadership role (hopefully) even in my next incarnation. Because I guess we incarnate about every 1000 years or so.
Anyway, its nice to talk Anthroposoph on Saker’s blog.
“And if Russia can help her now, then German culture will come back.”
That is an interesting possibility. Did Steiner say that? Russian students must work hard to learn Russian because of the complexity of the language. It is easier for Englishspeaking students to learn English. Russia produces experts in every field. Researchers, engineers, ballet dancers, you name it. Everything starts with the language. How wonderful if it is Russias destiny to bring european culture back to life.
Central Europe gave us classical music. The music belt goes from southern Germany over Austria to northern Italy. You find good composers in other countries, too, but the music belt is the heartland. Note that Africa also produces music. Have you heard black women sing when they work? They sing beautifully together. Other cultures have excelled in other arts. The Greeks in architecture, the Chinese in sciences, mysticism and much more, but I think it is fair to say it is in the destiny of Europe and Africa to give us music. Modern music is a mix of the two influences thanks to black Americans.
In his unfinished biography, Steiner tells us how the educational system worked in Austria and Germany at the time. He studied natural sciences, but he also studied humaniora on the side. He was admitted to two schools at the same time, wasn’t he? The system allowed it. A professor accepted his unique thesis. Can that happen today? In our time it is hard to imagine anyone with ideas like Steiners could get anywhere in the academic world.
In the 19th century, German universities were famous for their achievements. The scientists didn’t work alone, they worked in teams and their discoveries changed everything. Americans also came to study and I think they had an important influence at home. Most Nobel prizewinners were Germans until the end of the 1930s. The culture of central Europe did have its peak in the 19th century.
“There’s still about 1500 years before Germany’s mission is over.”
I had no idea. You know Steiner much better than I do. Thanks for telling me.
Dear Anon. Yes, and it was Steiner who said that politics was not Germany’s strong point. Unfortunately that was why she got trapped into that horrible war…I mean the 30 year war of the 20th century. so its not surprising that Germany is still not smart politically. But I have heard that there is great things going on socially in Germany…farms and new ideas for things…many many more than in America or the rest of Europe. So hopefully, if Russia can save us now by leading into the future, then Germany can become a leader again..in culture…Goethe is Steiner’s greatest example of high culture. And the German Romantics. And the music. But also the Rosicrucians. The real ones. And the alchemists. Paracelsus.
By the way, another very interesting thing about Russia is her dedication to St George…the St George ribbons and all. This is the archangel Michael. Most of Steiner’s last lectures were about that being. A strong servant of Christ, he leads now too, from the spiritual world h leads the planet. Yes he is the leading archangel for another 220 years. And he is the one to win against the demons and the antiChrist.
Ann, I studied Steiner twice in my life and not for years as you have done. As a young man, I was invited for a couple of days to one of the big centers the antroposophists have in Europe. There were some retarded children there and when I played the guitar, a boy who never spoke, started singing. It was a big event. An old lady told bedtime stories every evening. She made me remember how my grandmother turned off the light and made up stories for me when I was a child. She was raised by her grandmother, born in the 19th century, and she passed an old tradition on to me. I gave all my children unique bedtime stories and never read from a book. One of my children studied at a Waldorf school and became an artist. All the children learned the language faster than their friends. They picked up words, nuances, everything, when they were not distracted by light and other things and they always fell asleep fast. All stories had happy endings and many included moral teachings. Some solved problems they had had during the day.The visit made me see what my family had already given me, things I hadn’t paid attention to until then. The biggest effect of the visit was on my children, the future. Steiners teachings revived what was almost lost. He made a difference and that was his mission.
The old woman at the center cared at night for a boy with a “waterhead”. Steiner did the same. She was always tired, but never stopped working. Where did she come from? Germany, of course. Many antroposophists left Germany when they understood what was going to happen. I think it was clear to them in the 1920s that destruction would come again. Did Steiner tell them to leave the country?
My second encounter with Steiner took place perhaps five years ago. I found the internet archive and read as much as I could for weeks. The statue was the lost key I needed to understand him better. His biography was another key.
I do remember what Steiner wrote about Michael. I was only seven or eight the first time I saw St. George, the virgin and the dragon. I received the message as a child and that was probably the best way. I took it right in. If the West has to deal with Michael, the elite should tremble.
That’s wonderful Anon…that you read so much off the archive.
Yes, my Grandmother was an Anthropsophist, and she had a study group that I joined when I was 14. Its like Saker says in his latest article on religion…I was a dropout but I have read many many books, on Steiner and then leading from there to many other things.
In our times, I’m very drawn to the Russian views of Saker. Its such a relief to find this site because I don’t really relate too muchwith other Anthroposophs, mostly because I’m a voracious reader, and that’s not so common nowadays… except for my best friend, who lives in another city in Canada. But he’s got a degree in political science and that’s a real passion of mine, so we read Steiner over the phone and have fantastic conversations about “the real deal” in world events.
In our times, I think to just be interested in the”society” of anthroposophy is to be an ostrich. And I can’t seem to leave ostriches alone, so I get ostracized…!!! I think its so important that people aren’t fooled by MSM. And its surprising how many Anthroposophs are…especially in the States, but also in Canada.. I don’t know about the Europeans, but its shocking, because Steiner was so much into the real deal. I had two friends that I read with from the States, and they both dropped it because of my political views.
Anyway, if you want to read Steiner over the phone, we could arrange that. I read with a few people over the phone and we can go through books quickly and in a very friendly fashion.
I also watched this crosstalk just now for the first time…
Its so true, that Canada is shamefully pro-States, pro-Irael and pro-Nazi. It Steven Harper. He’s very disliked throughout my region of Canada, but maybe in Alberta there is such a big community of Ukrainians that he gets support.
Also, there is a big difference that I’ve noticed with the early nazi regime and this new one in Ukraine. The organization of Hitler’s army was impeccable. The way they marched and the glamor of it all…in Ukraine its just pathetic. They don’t have the same uniforms, they don’t know how to walk properly even. All they have in common is violence.
When Steiner talks about farming, teaching and much more, he not only gives us new ideas, he revives the old ways in order to preserve them in difficult times. I grew up in Europe and I got to see much of the old culture in some remote places, where time stood still, so to speak. I was raised by my grandparents, which meant they gave me what they had been given many years ago and that also helped. His spiritual teachings are important, but I am also interested in this other part.
I spent a summer working as a fisherman in a very remote place when I was a teenager. We almost lived as in the 19th century. There was no information overload.Children learned complicated things the first time they were taught. How to mend a fishingnet or how to navigate in dangerous waters. Everybody smiled and they were very knowledgable. They knew where to plant a flower, how to save a suffering appletree. They knew why trees grow best in the shadow. They also had inner knowledge. They had clearsight or what you call it. My grandmother took a look at the water from the well and said we had to always “air” the water before drinking it. How did she know? Some 40 years later, experts found a gas in the soil. When she came to a cold house, she opened all the windows “to let out the cold”. Many years later I learned you can heat fresh air five times faster.
Do you remember what Steiner said about the old Austrian farmer, who sprayed clay on his fields? He had the worst soil in the village, but got the best harvests. When I read that, I remembered the year I covered one of my composts with a thick layer of clay. The clay acted as a roof and the compost was ready in recordtime. When the snow melted, lots of minerals trickled down into the compost. I used to remove all small stones I found in my vegetable land and a little later I had poor harvests. After connecting the dots, I put the stones back :-) We can’t farm without minerals.
This part of Steiners teachings was the door that made me enter his world. The spiritual part of his teachings was more difficult to understand.
Ann, I am in Europe and I prefer the net. I am not very talkative, I am afraid. Lets communicate here as long as Saker allows it. I may not be able to write tomorrow, but I will be back later.
Sure Anon. That’s fine. Yes, so many europeans are horrified about reading over the phone… I love it.
And my aunt is in England and we read every week…phone plans are very cheap now. But that’s a great idea about talking here as long as Saker allows it…!! That’s funny….
My mother went to the first Waldorf School in England…with all those teachers that RS was always going over to Stratford to give lectures to. My mother and her sister also had the very first Waldorf governesses that came out of the Waldorf training.
But in the end, its the books that I’m interested in.
By the way, I’m reading a fantastic book right now called “The Arch-Angel Michael and His Mission”. Its not to be confused with the deceptive title “The Archangel Michael, His Mission and Ours.” The latter is a compilation of simplistic writings and a couple of Steiner lectures, but the former, if you can find it on the Archive, is wonderful…really great…now why the Steiner publishers don’t publish fantastic books like that makes me wonder…its hard to find, I got it as a second hand copy after reading a reference somewhere in another book about it. Its super good.
Hello Ann, what do you think about my door to Steiners teachings? How to properly teach children and develope their full capacity. The importance of music and art and much more. I played much more outdoors than children do today and I think that was part of my schooling. Childrens play is childrens work. When I as a young boy, 7-8 years old, jumped from ice floe to ice floe, I “was” an adventurer and of course I fell into the cold water and had to learn how to survive. When I climbed a small mountain with a rope, I was a mountainer. When I put some ropes in an old oak tree, I was Tarzan. When I fought the enemy, I was a soldier and it was real to me in my imagination. I learned to control my body and had to solve many practical problems and I think that is essential for a child. I do think it also prepared me for higher studies, which is really problemsolving on another level. Girls seem to be practical from birth. I can never compete with women.
The old clearsight and the old knowledge that made survival possible in difficult times, what do you think about it? People in the past had direct access to spiritual knowledge and some of them had visions. A friend says Steiner said it was Finlands task to preserve the old clearsight for the future, but I haven’t found it in writing. Do you have a better word for clearsight?
Since you love books, have you read a book I think is called Living water in English? It was written by a Swedish Germanspeaking antroposophist who studied Schauberger. It took him decades to understand Schauberger, who like many Austrian thinkers, Steiner included, is very difficult to understand. I saw an interview with the author in German and felt kinship. I also studied Schauberger in German and know the author had to wade through Austrian code.
I didn’t come to Steiner because I read about the Sun, Jupiter and Saturn and suchlike, I came to him because I understood old Europe and what we have lost. I saw with my own eyes in my youth what Steiner tried to keep alive in an age of materialism. Michael I do understand.
Ukrainian nationalists have picked up what they understand of Nazism and that is not very much. The Swastika, hatred of the Jews and killing people. They are football [socker] huligans and criminals looking for a cause. They sing nostalgic and nationalist songs, but I doubt they read books. They have no ideology whatsoever, it is all about Glory to Ukraine and their small brother complex visavi Russia. Without a working ideology and discipline, they will fail completely. Ukrainian Nazis will continue singing their songs, beat their opponents and take orders from the oligarchs. Nothing can save them. Heaven is not on their side.
You live far away in western Canada. The net is a wonderful thing.
you may not come to this thread anymore, but if you do, I wish to discuss something with you, something that concerns Steiner and Germany.
As you probably know Steiner was under attack by the rightwingers in the 1920s. SA-men attacked one or more of his meetings and the rightwing media criticized him. Steiner taught at a socialist school for a living and had some Jewish followers. Streicher and his men did not like him at all. Many of Steiners most important followers left Germany before the war broke out. I think he knew what was coming.
Steiner understood Germanys mission was in jeopardy. Years ago, I studied the early German nationalist movement and I saw it was not united at all. Some admired American Indians, some wanted a united Europe to preserve the civilization, others were only concerned about Germany and yet others were into ecology, vegetarianism, economics. There was also drang nach Osten to the detriment of both the Germans and the Slavs. This mix lived on until 1945 and elements of it survive to this day.
You mentioned the difference between the Ukie nationalists and the Germans of that time. The two cannot be compared, Ann. What the Ukies have is only a bad copy.They try to resurrect the past without having access to the soul of the past and even if they had access, I doubt they would understand the many contradictory trends of the old German nationalist movement. Can they even see Berlin wanted Ukraines black soil and was not interested in the “natives”?
Everything was in the balance at the time of Steiner, but he did successfully set up powerful centers in several countries and on the microlevel he is still influential. One of Europes prime ministers sent his children to a Waldorf school and that is only one example.
If you are still here and want to discuss the issues, I can set up a temporary email account.
Don’t worry, Lavrov or Putin will give a nice speech.
That’ll show the west.
Saw that Nato was foaming at the mouth at the new pact and treaty between Russia and Abkhazia.
Abkhazia’s status has been disputed since the break-up of the Soviet Union, as the Abkhaz SSR was considered an “autonomous” republic, but one that was associated with the Georgian SSR.
When the Soviet Union broke up, Georgia sought to include Abkhazia, arguing Soviet-granted autonomy no longer applied.
By the same token an artificial entity like Ukraine created by the USSR is normal..
NATO is mad because it doesn’t recognize the right of Abkhazia to exist as an independent republic, and wants it eventually annexed into Georgia
“anonymous”
In the last 6 years, since the occupation of the White House by Hollywood actor, Obomber, supposedly of the Democrat gang, the political pendulum has swung toward an ever stronger Police State, with accelerated US government implanting of Neo-Nazi regimes throughout the planet.
This process has accelerated far more rapidly under the umbrella of a supposed liberal Democrat ruler than it could under the leadership of the officially conservative Republican gang.
Hollywood Obomber stifles all criticism of the American sponsorship of Fascism, from the remnants of the US Left, which has been imprisoned within the Democrat gang since Dec. 7, 1941.
I will only mention in passing that US President Obomber is portrayed by the same Hollywood actor who, earlier, performed as Bin Laden. As with Superman and Clark Kent, Obomber and Bin Laden were never seen at the same place or at the same time.
*Poor Donald Trump; he got it all wrong. The question is not where Obomber was born, but whether or not he was born. Neither Bin Laden, or Obomber ever existed.
The United States government is a totalitarian affair, an Oligarchy. It has been so since “the coup d’etat in Dallas” on Nov, 22, 1963. The old habits of moderation and legal equality have steadily declined, with each administration, ever closer to the political abyss. The Patriot Act and the National defense Authorization Acts (renewed, and passed by overwhelming congressional vote of both political gangs), give legal cover to the American government terror.
It is no surprise, the American political stooges of the Zionist land thieves, who never cease to scream “holocaust” to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people, have openly voted against a resolution condemning Nazism. Indeed, only the US, Canada, and puppet Ukraine, voted against the resolution.
The war against Russia, which is being conducted not only against Novorossiya, but against all sides of Russia, can only be conducted by Neo-Nazis, as the attack on the Russia (USSR – Russia by any other name) of 1940, necessitated Nazi educated troops to carry it out.
The conscripts of the so-called ‘Ukrainian’ regime were unable and unwilling to stand against the Rebel Partisans. Only Nazis and elite American military units can be relied upon to crush Russia. Their methods include heavy bombardment of civilian cities such as Dentez & Luhansk, as well as terror against civilians in the areas of occupied Novorossiya.
Ask the Native Americans (Indians) how they were defeated by American soldiers. Their towns were burned down, and their women and children were assassinated or imprisoned. That is how the US defeated the Philippines independentists, and the Phoenix program which created havoc in Vietnam.
One hope is that the Europeans can free themslves from the occupation/control of America. The other hope is that Americans can also perform some miracles.
Within the United States there is an open season on allowing police and guards to execute unarmed African American males. Obomber, provides the necessary cover for Police state terror and a militarized and fascized police rule. The republicans could not provide that service. More of the same cover can be expected from Hilary Clinton.
The work of American Partisans is laid out before us. Can we accomplish it? If not, at least put up a good fight & go down swinging.
Peter J. Antonsen
For the Democratic Republic!
IMAGINE
A nice speech by an Ukranian General. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naoe8KF_3Kw
Vilification propaganda against Putin becomes ever more shrill and ridiculous by the minute.
Here’s Harper’s Canadian newspaper:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/putins-tiger-goes-on-goat-killing-spree-in-china/article21788613/
Ann, if you are here, I have some questions you may be able to answer. I studied Steiner a little when I was young. Steiner said it was vital to keep anglos and russians from engaging in mortal combat and, strange as it seems, the germans were tasked with preventing it from happening. The two were kept apart in two world wars, but not anymore. Anything can happen now. You probably know much more than I do and I look forward to your comments. What does the future bring?
I am not going into details, they can be misunderstood, so I am only saying Steiner also spoke about two spiritual forces that eventually will have to bow to the Lord. It was a central theme of his teachings. Will central Europe, the third force, finally play a role when it looks as if the EU is no more than a US colony?
These are difficult things to discuss on a public blog, considering Steiners teachings are not generally known. You may be the only one who understands what I am talking about.
I read Steiner in three languages, but I can’t say I understand him. The problem is it is difficult to translate german from and to other languages and I am not the first one to say so. Kant, who wrote High german, had many problems when he started writing philosophy in german instead of french. When I read Schauberger, a man from Austria, I noticed some germanspeakers also had problems with him. His writings seem to be encrypted. I had the advantage of knowing another related germanic language, that helped a little, and I had a demanding german teacher, but I never was able to understand the austrians completely. Steiner is still a mystery to me.
Saker,
To warm your heart:
NATURE | My Life as a Turkey | A New Mother | PBS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK8UQ4Z52KQ
Emerging from the shell, wild turkey chicks are introduced to an unusual mother, writer and naturalist Joe Hutto.
Filmed in your current state of exile ;)
I found this little funny article in a live journal seva_riga.
I hope you enjoy it
Merkel does not know what to do with Putin? It is so simple!
11/26/2014 22:56
I’m reading a report on the speech of the chancellor of the Bundestag. during which she complains that in EU the ideas of “How to influence Putin?” now all dried up. The best minds of Europe are scratching their heads, how “hit hard” on the table so that Putin started. They do not know. And I know. And now I explain:
To punish Russia so that it would be an absolute punishment, is necessary all across Europe, and immediately regect the Russian hydrocarbons. That’s right tomorrow – “bam” – that’s all. Compelety done. Do not refuel the cars, extinguish boilers, even fuel that we have already needs to be returned to the fields. Can you imagine what will happen … Not only Putin, all of Russia would shudder.
However, there is some inconvenience in this suggestion … But we do this for what is it …… for democracy – yes.. We are willing to suffer for that. Isn’t it so, frau chancellor?
Strange that such great minds of Europe could not come to such simple solution
Why is it so?
Translated by N-V
In this true?:
http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/09/05/mistral_row_france_risks_losing_rafale_contract_in_india_38097.html
Thanks T1 !
Had forgotten about that Turkey video.
Excellent.
Full version here:
http://video.pbs.org/video/2168110328/
Enjoy.
http://russia-insider.com/en/media_watch/2014/11/22/09-29-42am/porcelain_cup_award_worst_piece_russia
http://russia-insider.com/en/media_watch/2014/11/22/09-29-42am/porcelain_cup_award_worst_piece_russia
In Australia, we are under the rule of Tony Abbott, who is a natural fascist, soaked in Roman Catholic reaction since youth, a proud, boastful liar, a bully and misogynist and a ‘suck-hole’ to the Exceptional Ones.
His regime is driven by hatred. They are in an open alliance with Rupert Murdoch’s MSM sewer, a mighty engine of hate and fear-mongering. Putin is hated with frenzied urgency, in every nook and cranny of the propaganda system, because, despite being ‘Free’ and saying so with neurotic repetition and frequency, no one dares commit ‘Thought Crime’ in the ‘Free Press’.
Chinese President Xi visited recently charming people and visiting Tasmania. He addressed the Federal Parliament and was affable and courteous, then we signed a ‘Free Trade’ pact.
Almost as if in response to these successes, the Rightwing MSM has launched a grotesque new phase in its perennial ‘Hate China’ campaign. You must understand that our Free Press never runs stories sympathetic or adulatory of China despite its stupendous achievements. Coverage has been approximately 99.99% negative over many years.
At the same time the Abbott regime is running campaigns against the poor and welfare recipients, as in most of of the rest of the Atlaticist Empire. Environmentalism is being attacked with savage fury, climate destabilisation vigorously denied, renewable energy sabotaged, ‘protected’ forests clear-felled, marine reserves eliminated, National Parks privatised and the Great Barrier Reef destroyed through malignant neglect. Trade unions are under attack, wages are being driven down, manufacturing deliberately destroyed, and the indigenous are facing a vigorous and vicious campaign of dispossession, ethnic cleansing, child removal and humiliation pursued with ferocious resolve.
In other words we have a regime almost parodic in its malevolence, its misanthropy, its moral and spiritual corruption, and, not surprisingly, its incompetence. This situation has been coming for years, since Nixon abrogated Bretton Woods in 1971, I would say, but its psychological roots go way back. The Free Market capitalist system only works for the capital-owning, parasite elite. Any brief period of social progress, of upward mobility, of easing of labor exploitation, and sharing of wealth equitably, as pertained in the West for ‘thirty glorious years’ after WW2, (out of fear of Communism mostly, and to drive mass consumption)will always end, because in the reptilian brains of the elite, there is a fixed revulsion at the thought of equality and fraternity. The ruling psychotics under capitalism fear and hate others, and eventually they cannot help themselves and will end any relatively egalitarian era and return to the feudalism they prefer. And it started in the USA with the infamous ‘Powell Memorandum’ of 1971.Since then debt has grown, the labour share of GNP dropped by 10%, executive extractions have grown like topsy, short-term, casualised, contingent and criminally low-paid work has become the norm, and communities like Ferguson and societies like the USA are ticking time-bombs.
Herein lies a golden opportunity for Russia and China. Simply by ensuring greater egalitarianism and fairness, by redistributing wealth from the few to the many, and by working towards greater social decency inside their societies and between them, they will become a cynosure to decent people everywhere. The greedy, misanthropic and hate-filled will always prefer Mordor-on-the-Potomac, but if Moscow and Beijing become its polar opposites, the process of collapse in the Atlanticist Empire will be hastened. And I think that the two should also establish and fund organs, call them National Institutes for Human Solidarity and Decency, perhaps, and fund them like the US funds the NED et al, and set them to work inside the Exceptionalist states. That should put a few cats amongst the pigeons.
Russia should prepare a foreign legion of hard core strong regiments who can go behind enemy lines and sort out murdock, abott and all war crminals like tont blair to justice.
british have their mercenaries_ – they are calked ISIS and taliban.
why not rusdia create a army of those who want to kill on behalf of humanity those war criminals who are at a large and whom Hague wil not touch.
Read how one sided thisReuters report is. How all the blame is laid at Putin while hinting that the Neo Nazi mentions are Putin propaganda
Anti Kiev comments on German press stories is orchestrated by Putin
Disgusting
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/25/us-ukraine-crisis-germany-insight-idUSKCN0J91EN20141125
Anonymous 21:13
Hi ! Thanks for your questions about Steiner.
Although Steiner spoke in German, his lectures in English translation come through fine….I don’t speak German and have been reading RS for decades…I feel that I am his pupil.
I would have to read your first question much more carefully, but I will try to say in a few words what my understanding of the problems between the West, the Middle and the East are. I will speak from Steiner’s viewpoint and will not keep saying “Steiner says”
The world runs in epochs. We are now in the fifth. The middle Europeans are the leading cultural force now…although the English and Americans have a certain role to play in the development of intellectuality.
The Russians will lead the sixth epoch.
The English will try to usurp the leadership from the Germans in the fifth…and don’t want the Russians to lead the sixth. The English as a people are not violent usurpers, but the secret brotherhoods of the English are, and are controlling the population.
This is a small sample of what Steiner said about the world conflagration that was happening 100 years ago…pretty right on….
Anon about Steiner.
Now I’ve read your question much more carefully, and yes…a scary thought about the future…
My dad lives in Alberta. God I hate that place. Ukrainian nazis are only one variety of the rightist mental cases that populate that province. Send them all to the US and resettle the israelis there, I say.
Or set us free
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
In my opinion, traditionalism is the obvious choice for Russia to fill the “big idea” gap left by the USSR, the ideological state apparatus. They could conceivably try to build a radically new ideology of communal identity as many have in history, e.g. Jesus or Mohammad, radical breaks from tradition, but no one has the taste for grand experiments in Russia these days.
However, it does seem to me that some form of overt ideological committment to leftism would make sense for Russia. Nevermind the social side, it would provide continuity with the red army victory. Overtly tying religious values to leftist values is easy, both being eternal human values beyond label and category. It could make for a much more coherent historical narrative, identity and social cohesion
@N-V 01:34
Nice story and good suggestion. As German I can say, for “Democracy”, “Western values”, and of course Merkel we like it to live without heating, electricity and fuel – especially in winter.
By the way, German newspapers show that the head of Naftogaz has a similar idea, at least as regards the effects. It is always nice to see how the bankrupt Ukraine gives the EU orders.
“EU countries should cancel gas contracts with Russia”
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/ukrainischer-gaskonzern-appelliert-eu-laender-sollen-gasvertraege-mit-russland-kuendigen/11037160.html
“The Chief of Ukrainian gas group Naftogaz urged EU countries to unilateral change of all gas contracts with Russia. ‘Negotiating with Gazprom is unrealistic. The treaties must be changed unilaterally’, said Andriy Kobolew in an interview of the Slovak daily newspaper ‘Pravda’.
Instead of previously existing bilateral agreements of the EU countries with Gazprom, a common market of the EU including the Ukraine should arise, whereby gas will be traded freely.
Kobolew demanded that Slovakia must significantly increase the gas deliveries to the Ukraine, what will currently prevented by existing contracts between Slovakia and Gazprom. Slovakia depends on to nearly one hundred percent of Russian gas, which is delivered through the neighboring country Ukraine. Since September 2014, Slovakia has delivered through the so-called ‘reverse flow’, so reversing the direction of gas transmission from West to East, gas in the Ukraine.”
@Annunaki
the Reuters is a british propaganda machine just like liar bbc. So what do you expect ? Boycott everything related with liar english race.
Λ. said…27 November, 2014 03:41
“In this true?”:
http://in.rbth.com/economics/2014/09/05/mistral_row_france_risks_losing_rafale_contract_in_india_38097.html
Hope so. My first thought when I read that Israel’s boitoy in France suspended delivery was that this would effectively kill off France as a serious arms exporter. India, being a member of BRICS, really has no choice but to reconsider the fighter buy now, given the huge risk. That they chose one of Israel’s toy colonies surprised me to begin with since it is obvious that Israel/western fascists are calling in the chips of all their stooges worldwide in an effort to maintain their sliding world position. That means colony France would do the same to India whan massa orders, as they are now doing to Russia. My guess it was zionist influence in India, of which there is a lot, that OK’d such a self-defeating deal to begin with. It’s one of their hallmarks to entice victims into dependencies upon zionist controlled assets so later they can tighten the screws.
Killing off France as an arms supplier also makes more business for France’s “friendly rivals” in the fascist west, such as Israel and American companies (not that these are actually different now). So besides being playing geopolitics against Russia, this also is a hardball geo-business move. Maybe India’s zio-5th elements can push through a F-35/Israeli modified replacement for those Rafales? I’m sure the thought has crossed their depraved minds.
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Btw, it always intrigues me the MSM’s double standards when it comes to Russia and China. I lived in China for seven years and was in Beijing for the Olympics. In the run up to that there was so much gushing apologism for China in the MSM. Any criticism was labelled china-bashing, the post-Tienanmen bleeding hearts were weeded out etc etc.
I think you could say that the first stage of the Chinese colour revoloution has already happened. Boxilai crushed the mafia and steered growth to aid society. He was removed by the ‘pro-reform’ crowd. The trend under their rule to wealth concentration is creating a large Chinese propertied class (property as in means of production, not posessions). The US knows that this large and growing class will naturally share interests with the the American global vision and serve the same role as the liberal swine oligarchy in Russia.
Plan A is to secure a willing and compliant China to the global Fed/Treasury run system. Anything else is a contingency plan. Many big capitalist outfits in the US actually got their start in AIG and were distraught in 1949 when “we lost China.” They’ve never lost the dream of 1.5 bil customers.
This dream has always been a bit naive, as has the west’s view of China in general. I doubt that the US plan will work. Chinese are traditionally an extremely chauvinistic nation (all kinds of foreigners were referred to as barbarians and beasts in official documentation) which sees itself as the centre of civilization which has 200 years of humiliation to avenge.
Could go either way
@Anunnaki 04:50 Reuters Report
I agree with you, it is a disgusting article. About the content is not much to say. I think Merkel feels a strong dislike if not even hatred of Russia and especially Putin. Because she has no own opinion and implement only the statements from Washington, then also hour-long talks are useless with Putin.
A few short comments on Putin’s “charm offensive”.
“The most public example of this was an interview Putin gave to German public television station ARD. Broadcast on the eve of Merkel’s Sydney speech, Putin struck an unusually conciliatory tone, saying he was convinced there was a way out of the crisis.”
The interview on ARD was apparently not right for the anti-Putin campaign. Putin’s appearance was friendly, calm and sympathetic his answers were well thought out, rational and comprehensible. That was not the crazy lunatic who for months was presented to the German audience. Against this positive impression they had to do something. So, the broadcast has been embedded in a talk show, where two journalists, one historian and our Minister of defense declared the audience the correct reading of the interview. There, the interviewer also had to justify that he not strongly enough had conducted the interview and Putin could even finish his answers. They are trying to correct the positive impression. A discussion of Putin’s arguments did not occur in the three talk shows to the same topic in recent days or in the numerous press articles. The media and Chancellor Merkel insist further on its position and ignore any solution proposed by Russia. And then they accuse such an attitude to the Russians.
“As part of this campaign, Kremlin-funded broadcaster RT — formerly known as Russia Today — launched a German language station this month to put across Moscow’s view of the crisis.”
At the moment, RT deutsch is only a Web site, where they publish news articles and videos.
In the evening, there is a 30-minute live broadcast with news and interviews, which still lacks the professionalism and routine. There should be a TV channel next year. Nevertheless, the MSM make a fuss about it and publish articles about “Putin’s propaganda station”. There could be no better advertising campaign for RT deutsch.
“German media have been complaining for months about their news sites being bombarded with pro-Russian comments. German security sources say they are part of an organized offensive steered from the Kremlin.”
There’s no proof at all. Already in May, a major German daily newspaper was disappointed that the Russia-friendly comments mostly come from long-term subscribers and that no foreign influence is detectable by the IP addresses. Some newspapers abolished completely the comment function for articles on the subject of Ukraine/Russia. Others simply sort out the not approved posts, until the ratio per and versus is right for them.
mikael:
Well, I had to reply.
Steiner, R. have one problem, and I have read Him, is the language used, witch is basicly Esoteric, witch is like religious rethoric confined but used by people not totaly aware of whats been sayed, or lack the convictions of self expirienced realitys.
A bigg problem regading “religiousness” at large.
And even Steiner had problems, when we aproatch the Gap.
One even more missunderstud person is Nitzhes, witch I recomend is “So speaked Zarathustrat”, this is about Human psyhce, not about race or anything like that.
Il be frank, humanity have two problems,bascily, cowardness and greed, both interwoven into eatch others, this even goes to the Consciousness behind the mind, a mind hammered with impressions 24/7 cant rest, and this will make any sane person slowly insane, and by that, depart from the reality we do live in.
People is been marginalised, compartementalised and polarised to sutch an expent they dont even dear to think oiutside the Box, and certanly not Go there.
People are been denied the truth for centurys or eons of time, by not nescessery their own fault, since all MSM is rotten its truly difficoul to werify anything this days, when seach engines as Google is becomed corrupted and is a bigg lier, pimps the ZioNazis agenda 24/7, by manipulating seachs results, and stack it as its the “nromality” or by whatever means they have.
Try to seach for “the teachings of islam” and what do you gett as a “result” is propaganda from the very beginning of a lott of the pages, reightwinged freak sites is all been stacked from the start, and you have to read thrue a lott of flatout lies and hate proaganda before you start to read something more alignend with the truth about Islam from people with knowledge and not been collored by the massive anlsougth of propaganda.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS.
Just ONE ex.
This goes for History, eCONomics, religion, and so on.
My recomendments is simple, if you dont know, educate your self, and have the truth in your mind, read both sides of the story, always, know the oposits arguments as well as your own.
And above all, think less, you think to mutch.
hehe
I mean it.
About religion, I recomend one bok to read,The Gospel of Thomas. from the Nag-Hammadi collection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE5MFF2UNB4
I have shown the true words of Muhammad (pbwh) and now, the words of Yeshua.
This, is, infact the truth about Humans, is this religion, well, I dont know if I wil agree upon the term used, when religion have lost its path a long time ago. And people that is true masters are dying out, if there are any one left.
WE are light manifested as matter.
Respect everything, thread lightly, and love life.
peace
“No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.”
― Gautama Buddha
Dear Saker, you must have played with the thought(and probably rejected as idiotic) for Russia to take out the Saudi + Qatar oil installations or export hub at the Persian gulf: Restoring of the oil price and a lot less money for wahabi madrassas and jihad.
I´m not so worried about Russia, but I do worry about Venezuela and the stability of Latin America. For many Europeans like me, Russian culture (and some of your viewpoints) are just a little too conservative, although highly respected. Latin culture in the mix can loosen things up quite a bit for us. We need more distance from the Anglo culture, although English is for northern Europeans the easiest language to learn.
Mulga Mumblebrain the very same events already happened in the US. So you can forecast what it is going to be like there in the future. It seems the queen is a lot more lenient in her castle than her colonies. But there is one thing that separates all the anglo saxxon colonies in that the Gun ownership in the US is way higher. But since the no child left behind, everyone even with a degree has the reasoning power of a five year old. You have to try really hard to learn reality from the fiction put out by the propaganda machines. But actions are much harder to do. The police force is now there to serve and protect the corporations.
I posted two comments on Die Welt yesterday – both removed by Disqus.
1] The USA holds Guantanamo in perpetuity for $2000 annual rent
2] Schleswig-Holsten could be considered Danish territory if Crimea is Ukrainian
What is so offensive that makes the US Censors control my comments in a German newspaper ?
This has to be one of the better Cross-talks imo. No moral compass and no capacity for regret or remorse.
And while browsing on FB found this deep call from the human soul from Hugo Chavez — I agree with his curse … “Where is the ‘effing justice in this world?” !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Twa4k18MM
The rafale contract with India is not a sure deal. They wanted over 200 fighters to tidy up until the new stealth jets are ready in 2020. Russia is on a crash course to finish developing these jets. India is very sensitive to sanctions since they got stuck in the middle of development when the US sanctioned all high tech and exports to India. It took over a decade to develop the same technologies and like Iran once burnt, you dont really want to depend on someone who might not deliver and not to depend on something that is a national security issue.
@ Paul Greenwood
“What is so offensive that makes the US Censors control my comments in a German newspaper ?”
I’ve given up on German newspapers 1-2 years ago – selecting content (articles and comments) is a powerful method of influencing the hoi polloi.
Btw you were not censored by US censors – you were censored by German censors who work for a US-controlled press, because the Western media are concentrated in the hands of a small number of families. Here are some details about the media-concentration in the US: http://www.blacklistednews.com/Who_Owns_The_Media%3F_The_6_Monolithic_Corporations_That_Control_Almost_Everything_We_Watch,_Hear_And_Read/17341/0/38/38/Y/M.html# (I also had a link about media-concentration in the Western world but it does not work anymore – sorry)
Ann 27 November, 2014 05:15
“This is a small sample of what Steiner said about the world conflagration that was happening 100 years ago…pretty right on….”
and 27 November, 2014 05:17
“Now I’ve read your question much more carefully, and yes…a scary thought about the future…”
Ann, thank you very much for your response. A scary thought indeed. I am glad we understand each other. Steiner is unique and requires a lot of study. You have done your homework.
NoSoFast is wrong. Disqus is American and runs blogs on newspapers…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disqus
“If Disqus shuts down, hundreds of millions of comments would be wiped away from a wide range of sites, since by the very nature of the service, comment content is not being managed locally by sites implementing the service.”
Paul Greenwood said…@ 27 November, 2014 12:26
” The USA holds Guantanamo in perpetuity for $2000 annual rent”
Even the censors appear blind?
After all your contribution posits that the USA will exist in perpetuatity.
Or perhaps the censors were adept at understanding that the premise is/was ludicrous and publication likely to encourage action on the part of those who are not USA?
If everything was self-evident there would be no room for thought?
Hi Anon, you’re probably not looking back this far, but I’d like to say that I have not read any quote by Steiner that agreed with what you said. But I haven’t read all Steiner. And some of his really great lectures about West, Middle and East haven’t been translated into English.
As far as the future goes, and what Steiner says about the dangers facing humanity now..I myself would reply that we still have to do the right things, even if there is no hope. There’s no predetermination…the future is ours. If enough people think, feel and do the right things, then humanity will get through this. One of the only real dangers is that the planet is destroyed by a nuclear holocaust. I mean that the entire, entire human race is finished….then our whole evolution…all four planets of it will be for naught. That’s the only real danger…or at least one of the only dangers…there are other too, but its not really good to use Saker’s blog to describe them.
Ann 29 November, 2014 05:43
“Hi Anon, you’re probably not looking back this far, but I’d like to say that I have not read any quote by Steiner that agreed with what you said. But I haven’t read all Steiner. And some of his really great lectures about West, Middle and East haven’t been translated into English.”
There is an interesting statue in Goetheanum. The statue illustrates the difference between what we can call the West and the East. Both must bow to the Lord in the end. The first Goetheanum was destroyed. I am not sure, but I think the statue still exists. When I understood the message of the statue, I understood Steiner much better. There is/was a Steiner archive on the net. Perhaps you can find more there.
If I remember correctly, I found Steiners words about Germanys mission in a book in English. Around 1916, he also said there was a chance for peace. He was critical of the German leaders for ignoring the chance. I am not good at remembering sources, but I think I found it in an interesting book written by a Christian priest. The priest met Steiner for several years and eventually embraced his teachings.
When we live in this material world, we don’t usually see the real forces at work. Swedenborg says all wars are spiritual wars and Steiner thinks along the same lines. I do think Steiner is right about Germanys destiny. This time Germany serves the West and suffers economically. Is it possible the suicidal sanctions are the minimum evil? That without them, we would have a direct confrontation? I don’t know.
I pick up interesting things, but I don’t remember where I found them. I hope you don’t have to spend hours looking for them. Perhaps you can ask someone who has visited Goetheanum? The book by the priest is worth a read. He gives firsthand accounts of his conversations with Steiner. Steiners own unfinished biography gives insights in his early life. I think it is also in English.
Good luck with your studies, Ann. I will check this thread again.
Hi Anon. I know about the statue. Its called the Representative of Man. And He stands between Lucifer and Satan. He calls Satan Ahriman as the Persian religion does…not Islam but Zoroasterism.
Yes, he gave alot of wonderful lectures during the war, about the East the West and the Middle. Nowadays people forget that the Middle is such…they just think in terms of East and West.
But I think that now that Russian has had to turn to the East … it is the east but is going further east, then Germany hopefully will follow. Germany is not a highly political country. Its kind of stupid politically, but its culture is the highest now…although I don’t know if that’s true anymore. Its culture was the highest, before WW1.
I wish RS didn’t die so soon, and that we had more to read. Not that one could ever get to the end of his works…6000 lectures.
But he seemed to get more depressed about the future of humanity as time went on. The scariest things he said were at the end of his life, and I don’t believe it was because of his illness.
But that’s why we have to be brave. Its not pre-ordained that humanity will end. So there’s good reason to work towards a normal development.
One thing Steiner did say was that the confrontation with evil is now…that’s now.
Part 2
I have hope that Russians will hold out and that this will pass.
I hope it so much, because I can’t imagine what next incarnation will be like if Russia doesn’t become the leader, until Germany gets back to its mission. There’s still about 1500 years before Germany’s mission is over. And if Russia can help her now, then German culture will come back. In fact, a great anthroposoph living today in Basle said to me, because I had told him that in my next incarnation I would be Russian, he said, no, its still Germany…I mean the middle Europe…that will be the leadership role (hopefully) even in my next incarnation. Because I guess we incarnate about every 1000 years or so.
Anyway, its nice to talk Anthroposoph on Saker’s blog.
thanks Saker !!!
Ann wrote:
“And if Russia can help her now, then German culture will come back.”
That is an interesting possibility. Did Steiner say that? Russian students must work hard to learn Russian because of the complexity of the language. It is easier for Englishspeaking students to learn English. Russia produces experts in every field. Researchers, engineers, ballet dancers, you name it. Everything starts with the language. How wonderful if it is Russias destiny to bring european culture back to life.
Central Europe gave us classical music. The music belt goes from southern Germany over Austria to northern Italy. You find good composers in other countries, too, but the music belt is the heartland. Note that Africa also produces music. Have you heard black women sing when they work? They sing beautifully together. Other cultures have excelled in other arts. The Greeks in architecture, the Chinese in sciences, mysticism and much more, but I think it is fair to say it is in the destiny of Europe and Africa to give us music. Modern music is a mix of the two influences thanks to black Americans.
In his unfinished biography, Steiner tells us how the educational system worked in Austria and Germany at the time. He studied natural sciences, but he also studied humaniora on the side. He was admitted to two schools at the same time, wasn’t he? The system allowed it. A professor accepted his unique thesis. Can that happen today? In our time it is hard to imagine anyone with ideas like Steiners could get anywhere in the academic world.
In the 19th century, German universities were famous for their achievements. The scientists didn’t work alone, they worked in teams and their discoveries changed everything. Americans also came to study and I think they had an important influence at home. Most Nobel prizewinners were Germans until the end of the 1930s. The culture of central Europe did have its peak in the 19th century.
“There’s still about 1500 years before Germany’s mission is over.”
I had no idea. You know Steiner much better than I do. Thanks for telling me.
Dear Anon. Yes, and it was Steiner who said that politics was not Germany’s strong point. Unfortunately that was why she got trapped into that horrible war…I mean the 30 year war of the 20th century. so its not surprising that Germany is still not smart politically. But I have heard that there is great things going on socially in Germany…farms and new ideas for things…many many more than in America or the rest of Europe. So hopefully, if Russia can save us now by leading into the future, then Germany can become a leader again..in culture…Goethe is Steiner’s greatest example of high culture. And the German Romantics. And the music. But also the Rosicrucians. The real ones. And the alchemists. Paracelsus.
By the way, another very interesting thing about Russia is her dedication to St George…the St George ribbons and all. This is the archangel Michael. Most of Steiner’s last lectures were about that being. A strong servant of Christ, he leads now too, from the spiritual world h leads the planet. Yes he is the leading archangel for another 220 years. And he is the one to win against the demons and the antiChrist.
So Russia will win this battle.
Ann, I studied Steiner twice in my life and not for years as you have done. As a young man, I was invited for a couple of days to one of the big centers the antroposophists have in Europe. There were some retarded children there and when I played the guitar, a boy who never spoke, started singing. It was a big event. An old lady told bedtime stories every evening. She made me remember how my grandmother turned off the light and made up stories for me when I was a child. She was raised by her grandmother, born in the 19th century, and she passed an old tradition on to me. I gave all my children unique bedtime stories and never read from a book. One of my children studied at a Waldorf school and became an artist. All the children learned the language faster than their friends. They picked up words, nuances, everything, when they were not distracted by light and other things and they always fell asleep fast. All stories had happy endings and many included moral teachings. Some solved problems they had had during the day.The visit made me see what my family had already given me, things I hadn’t paid attention to until then. The biggest effect of the visit was on my children, the future. Steiners teachings revived what was almost lost. He made a difference and that was his mission.
The old woman at the center cared at night for a boy with a “waterhead”. Steiner did the same. She was always tired, but never stopped working. Where did she come from? Germany, of course. Many antroposophists left Germany when they understood what was going to happen. I think it was clear to them in the 1920s that destruction would come again. Did Steiner tell them to leave the country?
My second encounter with Steiner took place perhaps five years ago. I found the internet archive and read as much as I could for weeks. The statue was the lost key I needed to understand him better. His biography was another key.
I do remember what Steiner wrote about Michael. I was only seven or eight the first time I saw St. George, the virgin and the dragon. I received the message as a child and that was probably the best way. I took it right in. If the West has to deal with Michael, the elite should tremble.
More next time, Ann. All the best.
That’s wonderful Anon…that you read so much off the archive.
Yes, my Grandmother was an Anthropsophist, and she had a study group that I joined when I was 14. Its like Saker says in his latest article on religion…I was a dropout but I have read many many books, on Steiner and then leading from there to many other things.
In our times, I’m very drawn to the Russian views of Saker. Its such a relief to find this site because I don’t really relate too muchwith other Anthroposophs, mostly because I’m a voracious reader, and that’s not so common nowadays… except for my best friend, who lives in another city in Canada. But he’s got a degree in political science and that’s a real passion of mine, so we read Steiner over the phone and have fantastic conversations about “the real deal” in world events.
In our times, I think to just be interested in the”society” of anthroposophy is to be an ostrich. And I can’t seem to leave ostriches alone, so I get ostracized…!!! I think its so important that people aren’t fooled by MSM. And its surprising how many Anthroposophs are…especially in the States, but also in Canada.. I don’t know about the Europeans, but its shocking, because Steiner was so much into the real deal. I had two friends that I read with from the States, and they both dropped it because of my political views.
Anyway, if you want to read Steiner over the phone, we could arrange that. I read with a few people over the phone and we can go through books quickly and in a very friendly fashion.
I also watched this crosstalk just now for the first time…
Its so true, that Canada is shamefully pro-States, pro-Irael and pro-Nazi. It Steven Harper. He’s very disliked throughout my region of Canada, but maybe in Alberta there is such a big community of Ukrainians that he gets support.
Also, there is a big difference that I’ve noticed with the early nazi regime and this new one in Ukraine. The organization of Hitler’s army was impeccable. The way they marched and the glamor of it all…in Ukraine its just pathetic. They don’t have the same uniforms, they don’t know how to walk properly even. All they have in common is violence.
When Steiner talks about farming, teaching and much more, he not only gives us new ideas, he revives the old ways in order to preserve them in difficult times. I grew up in Europe and I got to see much of the old culture in some remote places, where time stood still, so to speak.
I was raised by my grandparents, which meant they gave me what they had been given many years ago and that also helped. His spiritual teachings are important, but I am also interested in this other part.
I spent a summer working as a fisherman in a very remote place when I was a teenager. We almost lived as in the 19th century. There was no information overload.Children learned complicated things the first time they were taught. How to mend a fishingnet or how to navigate in dangerous waters. Everybody smiled and they were very knowledgable. They knew where to plant a flower, how to save a suffering appletree. They knew why trees grow best in the shadow. They also had inner knowledge. They had clearsight or what you call it. My grandmother took a look at the water from the well and said we had to always “air” the water before drinking it. How did she know? Some 40 years later, experts found a gas in the soil. When she came to a cold house, she opened all the windows “to let out the cold”. Many years later I learned you can heat fresh air five times faster.
Do you remember what Steiner said about the old Austrian farmer, who sprayed clay on his fields? He had the worst soil in the village, but got the best harvests. When I read that, I remembered the year I covered one of my composts with a thick layer of clay. The clay acted as a roof and the compost was ready in recordtime. When the snow melted, lots of minerals trickled down into the compost. I used to remove all small stones I found in my vegetable land and a little later I had poor harvests. After connecting the dots, I put the stones back :-) We can’t farm without minerals.
This part of Steiners teachings was the door that made me enter his world. The spiritual part of his teachings was more difficult to understand.
Ann, I am in Europe and I prefer the net. I am not very talkative, I am afraid. Lets communicate here as long as Saker allows it. I may not be able to write tomorrow, but I will be back later.
Sure Anon. That’s fine. Yes, so many europeans are horrified about reading over the phone… I love it.
And my aunt is in England and we read every week…phone plans are very cheap now. But that’s a great idea about talking here as long as Saker allows it…!! That’s funny….
My mother went to the first Waldorf School in England…with all those teachers that RS was always going over to Stratford to give lectures to. My mother and her sister also had the very first Waldorf governesses that came out of the Waldorf training.
But in the end, its the books that I’m interested in.
By the way, I’m reading a fantastic book right now called “The Arch-Angel Michael and His Mission”. Its not to be confused with the deceptive title “The Archangel Michael, His Mission and Ours.” The latter is a compilation of simplistic writings and a couple of Steiner lectures, but the former, if you can find it on the Archive, is wonderful…really great…now why the Steiner publishers don’t publish fantastic books like that makes me wonder…its hard to find, I got it as a second hand copy after reading a reference somewhere in another book about it. Its super good.
Anyway, talk to you soon !!!
Hello Ann, what do you think about my door to Steiners teachings? How to properly teach children and develope their full capacity. The importance of music and art and much more. I played much more outdoors than children do today and I think that was part of my schooling. Childrens play is childrens work. When I as a young boy, 7-8 years old, jumped from ice floe to ice floe, I “was” an adventurer and of course I fell into the cold water and had to learn how to survive. When I climbed a small mountain with a rope, I was a mountainer. When I put some ropes in an old oak tree, I was Tarzan. When I fought the enemy, I was a soldier and it was real to me in my imagination. I learned to control my body and had to solve many practical problems and I think that is essential for a child. I do think it also prepared me for higher studies, which is really problemsolving on another level. Girls seem to be practical from birth. I can never compete with women.
The old clearsight and the old knowledge that made survival possible in difficult times, what do you think about it? People in the past had direct access to spiritual knowledge and some of them had visions. A friend says Steiner said it was Finlands task to preserve the old clearsight for the future, but I haven’t found it in writing. Do you have a better word for clearsight?
Since you love books, have you read a book I think is called Living water in English? It was written by a Swedish Germanspeaking antroposophist who studied Schauberger. It took him decades to understand Schauberger, who like many Austrian thinkers, Steiner included, is very difficult to understand. I saw an interview with the author in German and felt kinship. I also studied Schauberger in German and know the author had to wade through Austrian code.
I didn’t come to Steiner because I read about the Sun, Jupiter and Saturn and suchlike, I came to him because I understood old Europe and what we have lost. I saw with my own eyes in my youth what Steiner tried to keep alive in an age of materialism. Michael I do understand.
Ukrainian nationalists have picked up what they understand of Nazism and that is not very much. The Swastika, hatred of the Jews and killing people. They are football [socker] huligans and criminals looking for a cause. They sing nostalgic and nationalist songs, but I doubt they read books. They have no ideology whatsoever, it is all about Glory to Ukraine and their small brother complex visavi Russia. Without a working ideology and discipline, they will fail completely. Ukrainian Nazis will continue singing their songs, beat their opponents and take orders from the oligarchs. Nothing can save them. Heaven is not on their side.
You live far away in western Canada. The net is a wonderful thing.
Ann,
you may not come to this thread anymore, but if you do, I wish to discuss something with you, something that concerns Steiner and Germany.
As you probably know Steiner was under attack by the rightwingers in the 1920s. SA-men attacked one or more of his meetings and the rightwing media criticized him. Steiner taught at a socialist school for a living and had some Jewish followers. Streicher and his men did not like him at all. Many of Steiners most important followers left Germany before the war broke out. I think he knew what was coming.
Steiner understood Germanys mission was in jeopardy. Years ago, I studied the early German nationalist movement and I saw it was not united at all. Some admired American Indians, some wanted a united Europe to preserve the civilization, others were only concerned about Germany and yet others were into ecology, vegetarianism, economics. There was also drang nach Osten to the detriment of both the Germans and the Slavs. This mix lived on until 1945 and elements of it survive to this day.
You mentioned the difference between the Ukie nationalists and the Germans of that time. The two cannot be compared, Ann. What the Ukies have is only a bad copy.They try to resurrect the past without having access to the soul of the past and even if they had access, I doubt they would understand the many contradictory trends of the old German nationalist movement. Can they even see Berlin wanted Ukraines black soil and was not interested in the “natives”?
Everything was in the balance at the time of Steiner, but he did successfully set up powerful centers in several countries and on the microlevel he is still influential. One of Europes prime ministers sent his children to a Waldorf school and that is only one example.
If you are still here and want to discuss the issues, I can set up a temporary email account.