By Batko Milacic for the Saker Blog
Late this summer, Estonia, in the person of its president, Kersti Kaljulaid, became the first EU country to declare that Ukraine remains as far away from EU membership as it was after the “Revolution of Dignity” – the events of 2013-14 in Kiev, which toppled Ukraine’s vacillating pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Shortly after, the ambassador of Estonia’s neighbor, Latvia, in Ukraine, echoed Kaljulaid’s statement, although in a slightly softer form. This came as unpleasant news for the current authorities of Kiev, especially amid the celebration of Ukraine’s 30th independence anniversary and the “Crimean Forum,” which, according to President Zelensky’s plan, was supposed to rally international support for the country in its confrontation with Russia. However, during the past seven years, Ukraine has been a serious problem for the EU, which is becoming increasingly hard to solve.
Back in 2014, the Kremlin’s response to the overthrow of its ally, Yanukovych, was just as harsh as to the coming to power in Kiev of pro-Western elites. Without firing a single shot, Russia annexed Crimea, a major base for the Russian Black Fleet, and populated by a Russian-speaking majority, many of whom sincerely welcomed the region’s reunification with Russia. Meanwhile, a civil war broke out in Ukraine’s also Russian-speaking southeast where the local separatists were actively supported by Moscow. Europe then realized that it was now necessary to ramp up pressure on Russia and support the budding democratic transformations in Ukraine. However, the country’s successive pro-Western presidents, Petro Poroshenko and Volodymyr Zelensky, who shared European values, have since failed to achieve any significant results in European integration. Moreover, they became enmeshed in US electoral scandals and the war of compromising evidence, and they do not create the impression of being independent figures. Moreover, they were consistently making one mistake after another. In two major battles with separatists near Debaltsevo and Ilovaisk in 2014-15, the Ukrainian Armed Forces suffered a crushing defeat, despite the upsurge of patriotism backed by US and European support. The closure of the borders with Russia has divided families and left tens of thousands of people without jobs. An inept language policy and rabid nationalism split the Ukrainian nation, which had just begun to shape up, with wholesale corruption plunging the country into poverty.
In their clumsy effort to prove their adherence to European values, Petro Poroshenko, and after him Volodymyr Zelensky, both made clumsy attempts to prove their adherence to Western values, starting to prioritize the interests of the country’s LGBT community. As a result, gay people were given prominent positions in the country’s leadership, and the square outside the presidential palace became the venue of almost weekly gay pride parades. This open disregard for the conservative values of the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians led to an even greater split between the ruling elites and the nationalists, who are now at loggerheads with the Zelensky administration on many issues – another gigantic problem hindering Ukraine’s European integration.
The fact is that Ukrainian nationalism has old and very controversial roots. Starting out as fighters for independence, the Ukrainian right-wingers quickly joined the camp of Hitler’s admirers and committed a number of serious war crimes not only in Ukraine proper, but on the territory of neighboring Poland as well. Their heirs now honor Hitler and Ukrainian collaborationists, deny many crimes of Nazism and espouse anti-Semitic views that are unacceptable for Europe. Moreover, they do not see Russia as their only enemy, actively provoking conflicts with the Poles and accusing them of the “genocide of the Ukrainians” during the 1930s in the territories that until 1939 were part of the Polish state.
In the course of the seven years of Ukraine’s “pro-Western turn” the local right-wingers, who already represented an organized force, were reinforced by veterans of the Donbass war, members of the country’s military and security forces. They were long regarded by the Washington as important allies in the fight against Russia, failing to see real neo-Nazis hiding under patriotic slogans. Now it is exactly these people, who are breaking up gay parades in Kiev and crippling LGBT activists. They feel no need for European values because they take much closer to heart the legacy of the Third Reich. Thanks to visa-free travel to Europe, they have become regulars, and often the striking force of neo-Nazi gatherings from Germany to Spain. They are ready to kill refugees from the Middle East and burn synagogues. Moreover, some of them have retained ties with their Russian neo-Nazi brethren, who, although in deep opposition to Vladimir Putin, continue to propagate the idea of superiority of the Slavic race.
President Zelensky and his administration are smart enough to distance themselves from the local right-wingers. Moreover, they are detained, and sometimes their rallies are broken up by police (albeit without any consequences for the leaders). Even though the ultra-nationalist Right Sector lost their seats in parliament in the last elections, they retained their hard-core base and influence. De facto neo-Nazi leaders maintain good contacts with the outwardly liberal presidential administration and are thus immune from prosecution. They also go to Europe, where right-wing sentiments are very popular.
Meanwhile, President Zelensky continues to pointlessly lose soldiers along the “contact line” with separatists, unable to “be strong with his weakness” and establish a full-fledged truce in a war he does not yet want to win. As a result, more and more illegal arms are seeping into the country’s central regions from the frontlines and many soldiers, fed up with the war, are now joining the ranks of right-wing militants! These are by no means pro-European activists. They will be just as happy to beat up LGBT members and destroy a refugee camp as the Russian embassy. The authorities simply cannot fight them in earnest because the ultranationalists have too many supporters in the state apparatus and too many activists capable of plunging Kiev into chaos in a matter of hours. Small wonder that such post-Soviet countries as Estonia and Latvia, which themselves had problems with both nationalism and the justification of local collaborationists, were the first to raise their voices criticizing Kiev.
Well, Ukraine could and should be viewed as a potential new EU member. However, it must be forced to root out Nazism, instead of holding staged gay prides in downtown Kiev just for show to demonstrate the elites’ adherence to European values! Otherwise, we would have a faction of real neo-Nazis in the European Parliament, compared to whom any members of the European Far Right would look like moderate conservatives. In addition to stamping out corruption, President Zelensky needs to eradicate neo-fascism, which threatens Europe just as it does his own country. Only then can we talk about European integration. Meanwhile, we have to admit that, just as the Estonian president said, seven years of “European democracy” have not brought Ukraine one step closer to the United Europe…
Not like Croatia is much different, yet they’re proud members of all euro-atlantic institutions. One wonders if the powers that be really care if Ukraine is a success, destruction of about a fifth of the all-russian civilization is fantastic for them, a little knock on affect in Europe just keeps the majority of Europeans aware of how civilized they are compared to the evil, subhuman mongoloid east
Croatia???
Croatia and Ukraine do not have much in common. Only they are both Slavic countries
Nothing else.
Ethnic minorities have no problems in Croatia and they have their rights
Only problem is between Croats and Serbs because of war … animosities exist
But nobody deny their language rights … actually Serbs and Croats speak basically the same language with minor differences so nobody cannot take their language rights even if that somebody would want that
Serbs have their school classes, political parties that are in coalition with ruling Croatian party.
Serbian Orthodox Church in Croatia is working normally, nobody in Croatia try to create some parallel church like in Monte Negro
Actually there is one or two marginal groups that would do something like that but nobody take them seriously and there are maybe about 100 such persons
There are not monuments in Croatia like in Ukraine Bandera monuments. No monuments or streets with names of quisling Pavelic and any pro-ustasha propaganda is banned and outlawed.
There are some ustasha nostalgic political parties and historians that are historic revisionist like Josip Jurcevic but they are not very significant.
Things could be better but problem is that politicians from Serbia and Croatia doing everything to prevent reconciliation and normalization between two countries and two peoples.
And how much are Croats proud to be members of NATO it is a big big big question.
Croats do not give a s..t about NATO but Croatian government is servant of Brussels. Prime minister Plenkovic is installed by Brussels and doing what Brussels order him.
Fascist Ustasha symbols & slogans are unbiquitous in Croatia. Your politicians regularly pay homage to Ustasha buried in Bleiburg.
https://www.dw.com/en/croatian-fans-detained-over-vulgar-anti-serbian-banner/a-53792729
And the reason “ethnic minorities have no problem in Croatia” is because there are none left! The country had a large population of Italians (on the coast) and Serbs (Krajina) and they are all gone…
Croatia and present day Ukraine have a lot in common.
your logic to follow… “only Russians have problems everywhere”, “only Jews…” etc. Croatia is a typical monoethnic fascism biased land with tradition of this. It only exists in this form because it is practical for EU
No problem. I don’t know if you ever visited Croatia.
I abandoned any attempt to discuss with Serbs. Since end of eighties it is simply impossible.
To live together with Serbia in the same country it is mission impossible.
Now some facts from recent history
First, in March of 1903 in a Coup, Serbian military officers savagely killed their own King Milan Obrenovic and Queen Draga. That crime was so savage and horrible that entire Europe was stunned.
Second, in 1914, with assassination in Sarajevo of Austrian archiduke Serbs caused bloodbath of First World War, and Serbia itself played giant price
Then in 1941 Serbs first made agreement with Hitler’s Germany, then organized a Coup again, Hitler took that as a break of agreement, directly causing Hiter’s invasion of Kingdom of Yugoslavia and pushing Yugoslavia into nightmare of Second World War.
In nineties Serbs caused series of ethnic wars in ex- Yugoslavia directly causing destruction of Yugoslavia, the worst bloodbath in Europe after World War Two.
No wonder that nobody in ex-Yugoslavia wants to live with them.
Of course, everybody else is guilty but not Serbs.
OK, I do not care if you call us fascists, nazis or whatever, just stay away from us.
And I cannot understand why then thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of young Serbian men and women every summer season come to Croatia to seasonal work.
With almost no any incidents with native people in Croatia.
You hate “fascist” Croatia but not money earned in Croatia.
Bosnian Croat, this article is not about ex-Yu but about Neo-nazism in Ukraine and how it will go down in the EU.
Commentator Ingrian, above, rightly pointed out that Croatia, which shares neo-Nazi ideology with Ukraine is already part of EU. This is what we are discussing here, so do try to keep up!
Here are three links that discuss the Ukraine – Croatia neo-nazism links:
https://balkaninsight.com/2020/11/06/in-bosnian-river-town-far-right-symbols-and-a-link-to-ukraine/
“Finding inspiration in Ukraine’s notorious far-right battalion Azov, Bosnian Croat ‘skinheads’ and football fans in the town of Mostar have embraced far-right and neo-Nazi symbols and slogans. ”
“Croatia, a country where conservative currents are strong and WWII revisionism is part of the political mainstream, has emerged as a key staging ground for the Ukrainian far-right’s international ambitions..”
https://balkaninsight.com/2019/07/18/croatia-key-to-ukrainian-far-rights-international-ambitions/
“A far-right militant movement in Ukraine is forging ties with like-minded politicians and war veterans in European Union member Croatia, a BIRN investigation reveals.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/croatia-s-storm-inspires-ukraine-in-battle-with-separatists-1.2306784
“Andriy Parubiy, deputy speaker of Ukraine’s parliament and ex-secretary of its national security council, urged patience, noting that Croatia took four years to eliminate the Serb rebels – and Ukraine’s conflict started less than 18 months ago.”
The talk of the Nazism and concerns about the Nazism in Europe misses the point. Europe has it’s own version of Nazism. It is without nazi symbols and brownshirts, but it is still, namely plundering and robbing the world, as well as going along with US imperialism. There is no difference. Also “Civilized Europe” should look in the mirror and connect the dots and take a look at how Europeans behave in the colonies. As Ajamu Baraka once said that fascism is what Europe done to colonies being done to Europe itself. Any student of history will tell where it all leads!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50102.htm
“Tyranny Athens imposed on others, it finally impose don itself”
Thysidities
Until Europeans confront bigotry racism, and colonialism, they will never understand why Ukraine crisis happened, and why there is nazi government in Europe. Without confronting the roots and being honest with oneself, there will no way to tackle problem of nazism.
Great posts, Serbian girl. I agree 100%. There are no fundamental differences between the current Banderite/Maidanite regime in Kiev and the current Croatian regime — they are the same type of neo-liberal fascists and both are fully supported by the West against Russia and Serbia. I think I can speak on behalf of the vast majority of The Saker’s readers by saying that we fully support the Serbian people!
I don’t think you can, or should, speak on behalf of the vast majority of anything, when your stance is so narrow as simply supporting one people against another.
Bosnian Croat is not wrong, and nobody has been able to dispute any of his statements.
So, what is this childish ganging up on him meant to demonstrate? Serbian unity against Croats? Serbs and Croats are indistinguishable in every way. You are just fighting yourselves.
And the time for ganging up was when NATO was breaking Yugoslavia to pieces, not now that Serbia is ruled by a bunch of EU/NATO loyalists, who aren’t that far off from becoming Nazis themselves.
The average Ukrainian, Croat, and Serb off the street — what makes them different?
What is this different identity that you say? Just the fact that they call themselves Serbs, Croats, Ukrainians? Is that all?
Islam, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy — potato, potato. Again, the same thing — what makes them different?
And outside observer, from a radically different background, would say that the difference between Islam, Catholicism, and Orthodoxy, is so minor and superficial, that next to the immense and profound similarity, it is completely negligible.
As an outside observer, I would be hard put distinguishing between any of the Slavic people, based on looks, or their daily routines and concerns, or their art and culture, or cuisine, or any tangible element which could be used as a basis for comparison.
You either get divided, and get conquered. Or you unite, and conquer.
If you actually choose to remain divided over a difference in ‘identity’ which amounts to a mere difference in tribe name, ie. Serb and Croat, then I am afraid you are lost, brother.
You are the same people, believe me, I have been to all of your countries. I even visited your country, when it was one country.
My country has countless different ethnic groups, and they have different identities as well, though you would not be able to distinguish between any of them, and at the end of the day, apart from a few Kurdish separatists whose minds are poisoned by the Israelis, we are all Iranians here, just as you are Slavs.
“What is this different identity that you say? Just the fact that they call themselves Serbs, Croats, Ukrainians? Is that all?”
Just because you personally cannot see any differences between us does not mean none exist.
Serbian girl,
You could have used that comment to answer the question, and explain the difference, but you didn’t.
I feel like you two are acting like a couple of children in the schoolyard.
Grow up. Life is too short for this kind of nonsense. Before you know it, it’s over, and all of our identities will be exactly the same: dead — not that we were ever different to begin with, anyway.
Serbs had no choice: the Croats started killing them from the start. Key NATO states were promoting the old fascists and radical Islamists. Croatia’s President Franjo Tudjman was even inviting WWII death camp guards, such as Dinko Sakic, back to Croatia, and many involved there in WWII did come back and/or their kids and grandkids to kill Serbs.
Serbs were written out of the constitution and fired.
Serbs were arrested/kidnapped then beaten and tortured and then thrown into the rivers. The bodies of identified Serb civilians were washing up on the riverbanks in Osijek and Vukovar. They were killed by Branimir Mercep and his men in Osijek and by Tomislav Mercep and the Croatian police and paramilitary in Vukovar.
The west and mainstream media blocked news of this while it hyped any accusation/story against Serbs as “news” even if it was false propaganda.
The Croat resentment, bad attitude and hatred against Serbs goes back hundreds of years.
Joining up with Croats after WWI was a major mistake for the Serbs which they paid for severely and are still suffering from.
What I take away from Batko Milacic’s blog post is that Ukraine, the Baltic insects, and the rest of the execrable You’re_a_peon Union are all equally screwed. Yes, it’s certainly encouraging just as it’s entertaining that the globo-homo crusade and the migration torrents — driven by imperialist war and corporate greed — wreak havoc and create splits among the Russophobes, but these utter fools are in for a collective, monumental rout anyway. Just enjoy and relax as their squabbling deteriorates into all-out brawls like the ones the Kievan Rada is famous for.
Indeed, as I suspected, there’s only one specimen whose intellectual tenacity surpasses that of a Ukronazi, and that is a Russian ”colleague”. Batko writes:
”Moreover, some of them /Ukronazis/ have retained ties with their Russian neo-Nazi brethren, who, although in deep opposition to Vladimir Putin, continue to propagate the idea of superiority of the Slavic race.”
Hell, if I were a Russian Nazi (I’m neither), I would eulogise Vladimir Putin on the basis he is a living, irrefutable proof of the superiority of the Slavic race. If the Ukronazis show us what unrequited love looks like, I don’t have anything except ”plain insanity” as the most appropriate verdict for a Russian Nazi. Navalny, after all, is a long time drug addict, which might explain his endorsement of Nazi ideology.
There will NEVER be a United Europe – at least in the traditional sense of the term. but there are 2 Europe’s connected below the hip and above their heads.
Perhaps Mr Milacic would like to enunciate on why he thinks there should ever be a ‘United Europe’?
The evidence is clear that the EU as an entity does not represent the peoples of Europe, it represents global transnational corporations and pays far more heed to Google and Facebook than it ever does to Greeks put under the jackboot of incompetent French- and German bankers.
The EU as an organisation is ANTI-democratic. The European Parliament is a castrated punch and judy show, solely capable of rejecting proposed legislation and never capable of framing it. All legislation is framed by paid lobbyists of the transnational corporations and ueberbillionaires. That alone makes the EU as an institution both pointless and dangerous.
The author should also realise that Ukraine is not going to enjoy billions in subsidies from Brussels, because the Germans are getting sick and tired of being told to cough up. The only way Ukraine will get what Poland got is if the Germans say they shall. The French don’t pay enough in to call the shots. So the author should pay far greater heed to what Berlin is saying, when the new German leadership post Merkel is installed, before thinking that Ukraine can just look forward to a 12 year EU gravy train.
Now that the UK is out of the EU, we won’t have to worry about it, but the never-ending migration of eastern Europeans to Western economies, not spending their earnings in the local economy but sending it back home and setting up shops with goods solely targeting their community is something that Western Europeans have had enough of. There is more than one nation where the people are seriously thinking of leaving the EU because they are sick and tired of being third rate citizens in their own country.
Let me be specific: if you live in the UK and you want to have a family, the cost of a 4 bed house in the SE of England would be $500,000 or considerably more. If you are a group of 18-25 year old Romanians, living 12 to a rented house and sending home money every month earning UK wages, you can buy a 4 bed house for $50,000. That’s right: ten times cheaper. So the whole EU economy is rigged toward migrating Eastern Europeans living off the wealth of the Western Europeans, undercutting the wages of the working classes there because they can pay off a total mortgage back home from 10 years of wages in the West. That’s a family home mortgage, not a starter flat.
Of course, the wealthy Western Europeans benefit from this Faustian Pact. The working classes in the Western European nations have been completely shafted by the EU and they are no longer going to tolerate it.
They have not yet had a Trump-style champion, but if you want to know who voted most to leave the EU in Britain, it was socially conservative working class people outside London and the SE. They weren’t the richest, they didn’t have PhDs from Cambridge or Oxford, which is why the ignorant racist London metrosexual New Labour charlatans called them racist proles. The racist Londoners knew full well that leaving the EU meant they would have to pay more for their hired help in London, because they were ethnically cleansing whole areas of working class people from London, not wanting them in their ‘pristine superior city’.
If you can explain to me how that was different from the early stages of the nazis, then try. Londoners are class racists and the working classes from outside London had had more than enough of them.
You are going to see similar trends emerging in both France and Italy and if both of those left, the Germans would leave too.
Then the EU would be finished.
My view?
It would be very healthy for the former Cominternpact countries of Eastern Europe who have bad memories of Russia to consider setting up their own ‘free trade zone’ where more or less equal economies could trade without having to compete with the Germans in the same currency. The Euro is a jackboot for most EU nations, because its value is too low for fair competition with Germany and too high for the Clubmed countries to compete easily.
How any Eastern European countries like Ukraine, Bulgaria and Romania would be able to compete using the Euro as a currency is quite beyond me.
Agreed. The British working class has been shafted.
Wealthy Jews have taken over the so-called “Labour” party. Anyone who does not agree with them is an “anti-Semite”.
There is no longer a genuine opposition party in the UK – like Canada, the USA, Australia and so many other places.
The Ukraine Nationalists would be better off if they implemented the Minsk agreements. They may not like the Russians but better relations with Russia would be much more beneficial to them than relations with the decadent West which is in a state of economic decline and is completely hostile to traditional values. The nationalists are their own worst enemies it seems.
The GDP of the Ukraine had been growing with its ties and trade with Russia, then Vicky and her crew moved in and destroyed what ever hope that the Ukraine and its people could ever become a prosperous nation, the EU has no use for the Ukraine except as a dumping place for its excess products and to stick it to Russia under orders from Washington, and they use the Baltic States for the same reason as their industry and their young and educated move on to greener pastures,
Not to mention that there are millions of people who want absolutely nothing to do with some area on the map called “Ukraine”. Some example are the Carpathian area, stolen by Stalin in 1945, containing Carpatho-Russians, Hungarians, and others; eastern Ukraine, with millions of Russians; and many more. I have yet to meet anybody who ever heard even once in their life that what is now the eastern half of the Ukraine land mass had been actually part of Russia, but was transferred by Lenin in 1922 to the province of the Ukraine in order to split the Russian nation after what I have called for years the “Anti-Russian Revolution”, erroneously called the “Russian Revolution” as if Russians were in support.
We figure that Europe will not in any way support a new wave of refugees and immigrants to their soil. Even in smaller numbers, enough is enough for them subject to the penalty of looming pop up of extreme right wing parties everywhere.
It is not that difficult to adopt , handle and incorporate immigrants and controlled numbers of incoming people from Africa. Just put into local constitutions some clear-like-water provisions on how their children and under 20 ties shall be forced to attend public schools and learn the language. Either acceptance or deportation.
“Without firing a single shot, Russia annexed Crimea, a major base for the Russian Black Fleet, and populated by a Russian-speaking majority, many of whom sincerely welcomed the region’s reunification with Russia.”
Really? Was there a referendum? How decisive was the result? How many of the EU ruling institutions are elected by the citizens of the European Union? How many of the member-nations of the EU support neo-fascist groups within their midst. Does the EU not take most of its orders (and its “European” values) from the USA, its dominant provider of military protection?
I shake my head every time I read some author casually includes a reference to the Crimean Federal District of the Russian Federation as being “annexed” by Russia.
To wit, “Without firing a single shot, Russia annexed Crimea, a major base for the Russian Black Fleet, and populated by a Russian-speaking majority, many of whom sincerely welcomed the region’s reunification with Russia.”
The definition of annexation is:
“Annexation, a formal act whereby a state proclaims its sovereignty over territory hitherto outside its domain. Unlike cession, whereby territory is given or sold through treaty, annexation is a unilateral act made effective by actual possession and legitimized by general recognition.”
There was no unilateral act committed by the Russian government against the Ukraine. The citizens of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea chose to leave the Ukraine through the legal, political process of a fair election that was witnessed by international observers. Crimea then petitioned the Russian Federation to allow it to join together founded on historic, cultural ties to Mother Russia. The request was officially granted in 2014.
If anything, the rejoining of Crimea with Russia is better described as a reunification not annexation, as found in the internationally recognized definition: “Reunification is the political unification of separate political entities which had previously been united.”
Just wait until there is reunification between the DPRK and the ROK once the Empire is gone and try imagine the impotent screams and howls about ”annexation”.
Agree in full that ”Annexation” amounts to utter demagoguery when speaking about Crimea. The proper expression is ”Reunification by popular consent”. The notorious International Crimea Platform is Russophobia-on-duty, end of story.
The most ridiculous part is that it was Khrushchev who gave away Crimea to Ukraine, which was undemocratic in every way (consider democracy as the scapegoat for US/EU interference).
However, when the Crimean people ‘vote’ to join Russia, it is undemocratic according to the EU+US who advocate ‘democracy’
Q: Does EU need right-wing extremists from the outside?
A: Actually, that would help accomplish what the horrid EU needs most of all: Outright dissolution. What passes for ”the Elite” in the EU is a big, fat LIE = Liberal Imperialist Establishment believing 100% in the putrid propaganda about ”European values”. On this basis, right-wing extremists from Ukraine, Norway, the UK, and Turkey stirring up hooliganism in the form of very ugly race riots in Western Europe could have the consequence (unintended or deliberate alike) of discrediting the EU to such an extent it becomes impossible for the Eurocrats to continue the EU project. They are already in dire straits due to the ever more intolerable ravages of neoliberalism and the resistance they are facing from without (Russia/China/Global South). If some Breivik freak comes along similarly mowing down EU citizens, that might be ’the final straw’. Otherwise, there is a risk that Russia has no other choice than dispensing violently with the Euro-trash.
“Wovon sprichst Du, Väterchen?”
(What are you talking about, father?)
Ukraine in the EU?
This EU has already overreached itself with the former so-called “Eastern Bloc”. (NATO, too, by the way.)
For crying out loud this blog’s comments sections sometimes looks like a small town PTA hen party in East Ass Gasket, Missouri.
For eff’s sake— some Bosnian Croat and some Serbian girl going back and forth about whatever happened in the Balkans 100 years ago?
Look, I think you all gotta realize that the existential threat is all the beautiful lands of Christian Europe are pretty much going to be subsumed into an afro-Asian caliphate in 20 years unless someone gets on the stick.
So keep talking about the ustashe and the iron guards and whose great grandfather screwed over who. Meanwhile a metric ass ton of Afghans and Somalis are going to be shitting in your backyards and charging you for the privilege.