By Jeremy Malcolm, Cindy Cohn, and Danny O’Brien for The Electronic Frontier Foundation
In the wake of Charlottesville, both GoDaddy and Google have refused to manage the domain registration for the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi website that, in the words of the Southern Poverty Law Center, is “dedicated to spreading anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism, and white nationalism.” Subsequently Cloudflare, whose service was used to protect the site from denial-of-service attacks, has also dropped them as a customer, with a telling quote from Cloudflare’s CEO: “Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet. No one should have that power.”
We agree. Even for free speech advocates, this situation is deeply fraught with emotional, logistical, and legal twists and turns. All fair-minded people must stand against the hateful violence and aggression that seems to be growing across our country. But we must also recognize that on the Internet, any tactic used now to silence neo-Nazis will soon be used against others, including people whose opinions we agree with. Those on the left face calls to characterize the Black Lives Matter movement as a hate group. In the Civil Rights Era cases that formed the basis of today’s protections of freedom of speech, the NAACP’s voice was the one attacked.
Protecting free speech is not something we do because we agree with all of the speech that gets protected. We do it because we believe that no one—not the government and not private commercial enterprises—should decide who gets to speak and who doesn’t.
What Happened?
Earlier this week, following complaints about a vitriolic and abusive Daily Stormer article on Heather Heyer—the woman killed when a white nationalist drove a car into a crowd of anti-racism demonstrators—GoDaddy told the site’s owners that they had 24 hours to leave their service. Daily Stormer subsequently moved their domain to Google’s domain management service. Within hours Google announced that it too was refusing Daily Stormer as a customer. Google also placed the dailystormer.com domain on “Client Hold”, which means that Daily Stormer’s owner cannot activate, use or move the domain to another service. It’s unclear whether this is for a limited amount of time, or whether Google has decided to effectively take ownership of the dailystormer.com domain permanently. Cloudflare, whose service was used to protect the site from denial-of-service attacks, subsequently dropped them as a customer.
Protecting free speech is not something we do because we agree with all of the speech that gets protected. We do it because we believe that no one—not the government and not private commercial enterprises—should decide who gets to speak and who doesn’t.
We at EFF defend the right of anyone to choose what speech they provide online; platforms have a First Amendment right to decide what speech does and does not appear on their platforms. That’s what laws like CDA 230 in the United States enable and protect.
But we strongly believe that what GoDaddy, Google, and Cloudflare did here was dangerous. That’s because, even when the facts are the most vile, we must remain vigilant when platforms exercise these rights. Because Internet intermediaries, especially those with few competitors, control so much online speech, the consequences of their decisions have far-reaching impacts on speech around the world. And at EFF we see the consequences first hand: every time a company throws a vile neo-Nazi site off the Net, thousands of less visible decisions are made by companies with little oversight or transparency. Precedents being set now can shift the justice of those removals. Here’s what companies and individuals should watch for in these troubling times.
Content Removal At the Very Top of The Internet
Domain registrars are one of many types of companies in the chain of online content distribution—the Internet intermediaries positioned between the writer or poster of speech and the reader of that speech. Other intermediaries include the ISP that delivers a website’s content to end users, the certificate authority (such as Let’s Encrypt) that issues an SSL certificate to the website, the content delivery network that optimizes the availability and performance of the website, the web hosting company that provides server space for the website, and even communications platforms—such as email providers and social media companies—that allow the website’s URLs to be easily shared. EFF has a handy chart of some of those key links between speakers and their audience here.
The domain name system is a key part of the Internet’s technical underpinnings, which are enabled by an often-fragile consensus among many systems and operators. Using that system to edit speech, based on potentially conflicting opinions about what can be spoken on the Internet, risks shattering that consensus. Domain suspension is a blunt instrument: suspending the domain name of a website or Internet service makes everything hosted there difficult or impossible to access. The risk of blocking speech that wasn’t targeted is very high.
Domain name companies also have little claim to be publishers, or speakers in their own right, with respect to the contents of websites. Like the suppliers of ink or electrical power to a pamphleteer, the companies that sponsor domain name registrations have no direct connection to Internet content. Domain name registrars have even less connection to speech than a conduit provider such as an ISP, as the contents of a website or service never touch the registrar’s systems. Registrars’ interests as speakers under the First Amendment are minimal.
If the entities that run the domain name system started choosing who could access or add to them based on political considerations, we might well face a world where every government and powerful body would see itself as an equal or more legitimate invoker of that power. That makes the domain name system unsuitable as a mechanism for taking down specific illegal content as the law sometimes requires, and a perennially attractive central location for nation-states and others to exercise much broader takedown powers.
Another lever that states and malicious actors often reach for when seeking to censor legitimate voices is through denial-of-service attacks. States and criminals alike use this to silence voices, and the Net’s defenses against such actions are not well-developed. Services like Cloudflare can protect against these attacks, but not if they also face direct pressure from governments and other actors to pick and choose their clients. Content delivery networks are not wired into the infrastructure of the Net in the way that the domain name system is, but at this point, they may as well be.
These are parts of the Net that are most sensitive to pervasive censorship: they are free speech’s weakest links. It’s the reason why millions of net neutrality advocates are concerned about ISPs censoring their feeds. Or why, when the handful of global payment processors unite to block certain websites (like Wikileaks) worldwide, we should be concerned. These weak links are both the most tempting, and most egregiously damaging places, to filter the Net.
The firmest, most consistent, defense these potential weak links can take is to simply decline all attempts to use them as a control point. They can act to defend their role as a conduit, rather than a publisher. And just as law and custom developed a norm that we might sue a publisher for defamation, but not the owner of a printing press, or newspaper vendor, we are slowly developing norms about who should take responsibility for content online. Companies that manage domain names, including GoDaddy and Google, should draw a hard line: they should not suspend or impair domain names based on the expressive content of websites or services.
Have A Process, Don’t Act on the Headlines
Other elements of the Net risk less when they are selective about who they host. But even for hosts, there’s always a risk that others—including governments—will use the opaqueness of the takedown process to silence legitimate voices. For any content hosts that do reject content as part of the enforcement of their terms of service, or are pressured by states to secretly censor, we have long recommended that they implement procedural protections to mitigate mistakes—specifically, the Manila Principles on Intermediary Liability. The principles state, in part:
- Before any content is restricted on the basis of an order or a request, the intermediary and the user content provider must be provided an effective right to be heard except in exceptional circumstances, in which case a post facto review of the order and its implementation must take place as soon as practicable.
- Intermediaries should provide user content providers with mechanisms to review decisions to restrict content in violation of the intermediary’s content restriction policies.
- Intermediaries should publish their content restriction policies online, in clear language and accessible formats, and keep them updated as they evolve, and notify users of changes when applicable.
These are methods that protect us all against overbroad or arbitrary takedowns. It’s notable that in GoDaddy and Google’s eagerness to swiftly distance themselves from American neo-Nazis, no process was followed; CloudFlare’s Prince also admitted that the decision was “not CloudFlare’s policy.” Policies give guidance as to what we might expect, and an opportunity to see justice is done. We should think carefully before throwing them away.
It might seem unlikely now that Internet companies would turn against sites supporting racial justice or other controversial issues. But if there is a single reason why so many individuals and companies are acting together now to unite against neo-Nazis, it is because a future that seemed unlikely a few years ago—where white nationalists and Nazis have significant power and influence in our society—now seems possible. We would be making a mistake if we assumed that these sorts of censorship decisions would never turn against causes we love.
Part of the work for all of us now is to push back against such dangerous decisions with our own voices and actions. Another part of our work must be to seek to shore up the weakest parts of the Internet’s infrastructure so it cannot be easily toppled if matters take a turn for the (even) worse. These actions are not in opposition; they are to the same ends.
We can—and we must—do both.
source: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-free-expression
Google already has a documented history of censoring based on their politics. This is practiced against left and anti zionist sites and material. I suspect their new found desire to censor nazis will be expanded to censor the left and anti zionism more openly. It opens the door for them, so to speak, to go after those opposed to their pro-zionist, pro-fascist agenda in a much larger manner.
Here is the uncut version of the South’s “National” anthem which the soldiers sang around the campfire—not at all a “deutchland uber alles” racist, nationalist song.
Dixie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6FaJ9U2bh8
http://tomatobubble.com/id826.html
Here is another view of the so called “racist” Deutschland Uber Alles” song.
History is written by the Victors!
Kind regards
A non-Aryan.
Aryan is an ethonym for Brown Persians Afghans & Indians. Shows you how bankrupt they are intellectually when they have to steal it.
Or it can mean Nordid.
Yes linguistically it means those who speak an Aryan language, but racially most Afghans, Pakistanis and North Indians are no longer “pure” Aryans as their ancestors mixed.
Besides are not “Indians” intellectually bankrupt when they no longer have the Indus River in their country. Should they not use the term Bharat?
Best Wishes.
While we are at it, may we clarify the original (true) meaning of “Deutschland uber Alles”. The phrase was a song that was made at the time when Deuschland, i.e. Germany, was, actually there was no Germany at the time, but rather a collection of small quarelling Kingdoms of peoples with more or less, mostly less, like culture and common language. A movement began around Bismark’s time to unite these Kingdoms into one unified State; that is to bring the various peoples together on common ground. Some of this movement was peaceful, and some of it was not so peaceful as some was done by force of sword and gun, but nevertheless the movement meant to bring people together to live as a community. Back then, when the song was written “Deutschland uber Alles” was saying to people to forget about their petty local pieves, and to look above the squabbles for the common good of the all the folk. That is precisely to say put racism aside and to work together as one.
So, what happened? Well, over the years, as Germany united and became a notable European power in its own right, as the German people did come together as one, the other European powers at the time took note, and for political purpose turned the meaning of the song around to mean something deragatory and racist. Hmmm, I wonder if that is why there suddenly is all that trouble with the Southern statues now? Their meaning were not racist back when they were erected either.
While we are at it, may we clarify the original (true) meaning of “Deutschland uber Alles”. The phrase was a song that was made at the time when Deuschland, i.e. Germany, was, actually there was no Germany at the time, but rather a collection of small quarelling Kingdoms of peoples with more or less, mostly less, like culture and common language. A movement began around Bismark’s time to unite these Kingdoms into one unified State; that is to bring the various peoples together on common ground. Some of this movement was peaceful, and some of it was not so peaceful as some was done by force of sword and gun, but nevertheless the movement meant to bring people together to live as a community. Back then, when the song was written “Deutschland uber Alles” was saying to people to forget about their petty local pieves, and to look above the squabbles for the common good of the all the folk. That is precisely to say put racism and local pride aside and to work together as one.
So, what happened? Well, over the years, as Germany united and became a notable European power in its own right, as the German people did come together as one, the other European powers at the time took note, and for political purpose turned the meaning of the song around to mean something deragatory and racist. (Image somebody doing that to America, You Beutiful!)
Hmmm, I wonder why there suddenly is all that trouble with the Southern statues now? Their meanings were not racist back when they were erected. Just what are the present day political machinations of those who so twist symbolism and history into new contexts?
ISIS didn’t have that problem distributing their digital content and social media campaigns using youtube, twitter, facebook, you name it… perhaps they should consult their marketing manager at CIA.
tadaaaa! thanks again and have a great time!
Lol, yeah, ain’t that a nice feature…
Time and time the addage, that: the entity, that you can not criticize, is where the center of power resides” turns out to b accurate.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too – well, sorry, you and I, we can not.
(((Some))) can…
…goy out…a’la Huffingstein.
Yep. I think they use the Dark Web, but not sure.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)
You can also access their magazine here:
http://jihadology.net/category/inspire-magazine/
You can also read about the use of vehicles for “lone wolf” attacks as suggested by Al Qaeda and others:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack
of course, the bulldozing of Palestinian homes by the IDF for some reason is not considered “terrorism” . . .
Katherine
“Southern Poverty Law Center”
I am getting really sick of the constant citing of the SPLC.
The SPLC is being cited as if it were effectively an official govt source, instead of a private group with its own agenda, incluidng its financial agenda.
It seems to me that responsible journalists, if such a thing exists nowadays, should go to the police, the FBI, etc., when they need info, someone to quote, etc, not rely on a private NGO and its “hate maps” and “hate watches.”.
They are now being quoted nonstop as the arbiters of what THEY define as “hate groups” etc. With their “hate map,” “hate watch.” WTF? They are profiting from the hate that they ferret out wherever they go. They are ones who conflate all right-wing groups and applaud any attacks on their free speech rights. They are the masters of hypocrisy.
Who profits from magnifying “hate”? The SPLC, that’s who. They are not dissimilar from Zionists for whom the more “anti-Semitism” there is, the more it lets them push their own agenda. Where would they be without “anti-Semitism”? Where would the SPLC be without “hate”? Nowhere. Their well-paid staff coudl go and get another, worse-paying job, or actually work as public defenders, etc., instead of pulling fat-cat salaries from the SPLC.
“In 1994 the Montgomery Advertiser published an eight-part critical report on the SPLC, saying that it exaggerated the threat posed by the Klan and similar groups in order to raise money, discriminated against black employees, and used misleading fundraising tactics. The SPLC dismissed the series as a “hatchet job”. SPLC’s co-founder Joe Levin stated: “The Advertiser’s lack of interest in the center’s programs and its obsessive interest in the center’s financial affairs and Mr. Dees’ personal life makes it obvious to me that the Advertiser simply wants to smear the center and Mr. Dees.”[citation needed][107] The series was nominated for but did not win a 1995 Pulitzer Prize in Explanatory Journalism. Despite an SPLC campaign against the nomination the series was one of three finalists.[108]
Starting in the 1990s, Ken Silverstein writing in Harper’s Magazine and others were critical of the SPLC’s fundraising appeals and finances, alleging that the group has used hyperbole and overstated the prevalence of hate groups to raise large amounts of money.[109]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center
Katherine
“Google also placed the dailystormer.com domain on “Client Hold”, which means that Daily Stormer’s owner cannot activate, use or move the domain to another service.”
This is, obviously, a totalitarian move.
Someone needs to take Google to court over this.
ACLU, where are you?
Katherine
Perhaps it’s time we faced the truth about ourselves: as a people, we Americans are really not interested in truth, accuracy, and so forth. That’s probably true of all people, everywhere, at all times, past or present. It’s just that with America having so much power and influence, our hypocrisy is particularly dangerous. Sure, there are exceptions to that sweeping claim. But the overall pattern holds.
The conservatives are right to criticize political correctness. But long before “liberal” PC, there was conservative PC. It just never got a name, because everyone assumed it was valid (in the same way that, say, everyone assumed stereotypes of blacks, Jews, etc., were valid).
The only real difference is that, now, the neocons have managed to bring virtually everything under their thought control. The bad guys have won. We just don’t see it yet. I’m afraid what we’re in for is a long, long period of neo-medievalism, similar to the millennium where the Roman church dictated what was acceptable discourse and even what were acceptable topics.
Ironically, given the docility and ignorance of the masses, efforts to resist this new, subtle tyranny really only play into the bad guys’ hands. I’m not saying “Give up.” But it seems obvious the war has already been lost, and what’s going on is just a mopping-up operation. People with romantic notions can continue to resist. But it all seems to me to be just so much exhibitionist masturbation for the sake of ego rather than figuring out how break free from the obsolete models of resistance and to try something akin to asymmetric warfare. Whether such is possible, I don’t know. History seems to indicate otherwise. And it’s always better to light one candle than to curse the darkness…maybe.
I have no use for racists, Nazis and Alt-righters. But I find the suppression of political speech a much bigger danger. Hence I post this.
The Saker
Unperson Andrew Anglin Reporting In
Andrew Anglin
Daily Stormer
August 19, 2017
wew lads.
Welcome back.
Although I thought my update last time, in the days of DailyStormer.ru, was pretty fun, the site got shut by Cloudflare before I was able to make a serious follow-up.
So I’m just going to write the serious post first here on DailyStormer.lol.
FIRSTLY – AND LISTEN THIS IS IMPORTANT
Go sign up to Gab and follow me here:
https://gab.ai/AndrewAnglin
Pass that around. Make sure everyone gets it. Gab is the last place online for free speech, and I will always have that page to keep you updated on where the site is if it is down.
America’s First Unpersoning
The Jews are attempting to all-out unperson me.
I am the first person to have this attempted against them in the history of the internet.
For those that don’t get the technical side here: what has happened is that critical infrastructure platforms have shut me down. The domain’s registration, which was initially on Godaddy and then on Google – is supposed to be entirely neutral. They have never shut anyone down for content.
Then, Cloudflare shut me down. I wrote an entire article about that. That is critical infrastructure which makes it so any random asshole can’t rent a botnet and shut the site down, so effectively they shut the site down.
This is the first site they have ever shut down without an order from a US court.
The company’s CEO, Matthew Prince, who is a goy, sent a memo to his staff saying he shut me down because he woke up in a bad mood and he thinks I’m an asshole. This memo was leaked. After having thought about it, I believe it is most likely that he leaked it himself.
It is clear that he is a lying piece of shit. In his public statement, he claimed that he shut it down because we said he was secretly a Nazi. Well, I never said that. He didn’t cite any source. If I had said that, it would have been a joke – even if I had said it seriously, that is an absolutely insane reason to shut down the entire concept of freedom of speech on the internet.
What GoDaddy said was even dumber:
CNBC:
GoDaddy CEO Blake Irving told CNBC on Tuesday that the domain name provider cut ties with The Daily Stormer because the neo-Nazi site crossed the line from exercising freedom of speech with the post about Heather Heyer, the 32-year-old who died last Saturday when a car plowed into her group of counterprotesters who were demonstrating against the white nationalists in Charlottesville, Virginia.
So for 4 years GoDaddy hosted my domain, then all of the sudden a fat joke about a dead woman was a step too far – “whoa whoa whoa – I like a bit of edgy humor myself guy, but you just went overboard!”
Hm. Okay.
Understand: the reasons they are giving are arbitrary. Google didn’t even give a statement.
It isn’t about me being an asshole and it isn’t about me making a fat joke.
And I would like to say it is just about me and my ideas. And it is, to a great extent. We have gained very, very serious traction talking about Jews and agitating for a cultural and social revolution against their brutal and ruthless domination of Western civilization.
But the Daily Stormer is just the beginning.
Because all that we are is the most outrageous on a spectrum of a new rising right-wing in Western formerly white nations. The fact that I make a lot of edgy jokes makes it easy to point at me and say “HE’S GONE TOO FAR NOW!!!1111” – but I promise you, it isn’t the jokes that bother them, it is the ideas.
And the ideas that we present here at the Daily Stormer are shared by millions of people: mainly, the idea that white people, like every other race, deserve to have their own countries and that it isn’t evil to stand up and say “hey Jews, why are you replacing our populations in every white country?”
So Now, The Precedent is Set
With me having been unpersoned, they are now able to begin doing the same to people who don’t make edgy fat jokes about dead violent leftist attackers.
They are coming for people who don’t talk about Jews as well.
They are coming for everyone who questions any single aspect of the ruling agenda to transform Western society into a multiracial Islamo-transsexual circus show from hell.
Strangely, neither Alex Jones or Stefan Molyneux have contacted me to talk about this while my website was down and I had no voice.
No one did.
When I was in the hole, and all over the national media, not a single supposed free speech advocate with a reasonably-sized audience reached out to me and offered me a chance to tell my story.
I will remember that going forward. And I think everyone else should too.
(Note: I’ve gotten thousands of communications over the last week and I could have missed something.)
This Isn’t About Me
For the record, as long as I am online, I will host the content of any known voice who is silenced in the way that I have been silenced – even if it’s someone I disagree with. Before the DS shutdown, I had recently made the point that when Sargon of Akkad gets kicked off of YouTube (and he will, eventually), that I’ll host him – even while I disagree with a lot of what he says.
Because this isn’t about arguments anymore. This is about the fact that if I didn’t have weev as this site’s volunteer sysop, I would be completely silenced right now. I would be incapable of speaking publicly (other than on Gab).
The fact that these people are now openly exercising their ability to do this to a person because of something they say has changed the world.
This is the core idea of the internet being attacked.
This idea of “oh well, it’s allowed because they’re private companies” is a new angle, but this is no different than what the Bolsheviks did. I do not have the option of creating my own internet.
The promise was that Google and the rest of these private companies which control the backbone of the internet would remain neutral.
Well, they have not remained neutral.
We are in a different world than we were last week.
And Just So You Understand – I Just Want You to Understand Something Here
Not everything on this site is outrageous and inflammatory, but a lot of it is.
Although it is obvious to the regular reader, who tends to be intelligent, this apparently needs to be stated to the press, which is made up of people with a lower than average intelligence (presumably because they get paid relatively little for doing extremely unethical work): the Daily Stormer purposefully uses inflammatory language.
For multiple reasons.
One is to bring attention to the site – to use outrage to force ideas into the public sphere (that worked well this time, lel). Another is to simply say what everyone is secretly thinking and feeling – to give a release of the emotions which are bubbling up in all non-castrated white males these days. Another is to open up the Overton Window by being outrageous, thus giving more moderate and intellectual right-wingers room to maneuver.
Another – and I now believe this is the most important – is to push the limits of free speech, in order to protect the concept of free speech from those who wish to undermine it. Someone has to do that. Believe me, being the guy that has to do that is not comfortable. But no one else is going to do it.
Leftists Should be Defending Me
Leftists even ten years ago would have been on my side for the sake of principle.
I give my thanks to the EFF for their (slightly delayed) comments on my situation, but they are the only leftist group so far to show me any support at all.
The rest have been silent.
With the registrar – the deal is, if no ICANN authorized domain registrar will host my domain, than I am effectively being banned by ICANN itself.
The Future of the Daily Stormer
I am staying online. No matter what.
They are going to have to kill me.
The registrar we are now on, Namecheap, is pretty much the last chance for getting a registrar to accept my hosting.
They have made statements in support of freedom of speech.
If they fold, I assume another company will come forward and offer us hosting.
We’ve already been kicked by the Chinese and the Russians.
For a Cloudflare replacement, we have Bitmitigate.
I want to thank them.
Now that Cloudflare has kicked me off, they’re going to start doing it to everyone. They are obligated to. They were speaking from a position of strength when they said “all speech” – no it’s “Andrew Anglin is too much to have freedoms,” so all the SJW mob has to do is say you’re no better than Andrew Anglin, and Cloudflare is obligated to dump you. Because they base their policies and principles on how many people complain to them.
I think people who believe in free speech – whatever their political beliefs – need to migrate to free speech services before they are forced to. A weak-willed and spineless slug like Matthew Prince is not fit to be in control of what people are allowed to think.
So move to Bitmitigate.
We will see if Namecheap holds, and if they do, you should use them as your registrar. Not simply because you could be kicked off of your current registrar at any point, but because what GoDaddy and Google have done violates the core idea of the internet and one of the founding principles of our country.
If we do not have freedom of speech, then we are living in a totalitarian state. The fact that the totalitarianism is being enforced by multinational corporations is an inconsequential technicality. Because it was the government that allowed these companies to privately control our infrastructure and has refused to break them up under anti-trust laws – even though those laws exist.
My View on Free Speech
To be clear, I believe in free speech as it was envisioned by the Founding Fathers. Nothing more or less than that.
People will say “oh well, you’re a Nazi and Nazis are against free speech” – firstly, all political repression in National Socialist Germany was done under national security measures after communists burned the Reichstag (and then during a war). But that is neither here nor there – I am not trying to recreate NS Germany. I believe that you have to allow open political discussion, end of story, and I am fully willing to engage and talk through my ideas with anyone.
The reason that the right is being silenced is that the left already lost the argument. The battle of ideas is over, and we won.
They called us a lot of mean names, but it eventually became clear that our ideas were too powerful – and too self-evidently true – to be dismissed simply because someone on CNN called us “Neo-Nazi White Supremacists.”
Now, the only option left is to shut us down.
But it’s going to take bullets to shut me down.
https://dailystormer.lol/unperson-an…-in-stormtown/
Stormer’s been shut down again
INCITING VIOLENCE VS FREEDOM OF SPEECH
NEWS AUG 20
2017 RICHARD KIRKENDALL 0 COMMENTS
At Namecheap, we see both sides of the free speech consideration. On the one hand, we cannot be the ones censoring content, unpopular though it may be. On the other hand, and without question, the content appearing on the DailyStormer.lol is highly offensive, even more so in light of the recent events in Charlottesville, VA.
We find ourselves in a difficult situation, where we must balance the repugnant nature of the content against our principles, beliefs and ongoing support of free speech. This has been particularly challenging given that the fallout from our decision will be in the public eye and subject to public scrutiny, no matter what path we may take.
So, the question, as I see it, is whether deletion of these domains contradicts our core principle of advocacy of free speech? In this particular case, I state that the answer is “No.”
I’ve examined the website carefully. It purports to disclaim violence. But, these words are profoundly hollow as the actual text supports both viewpoints as well as groups that specifically promote violence. As an example: “It doesn’t take a Ph.D. in mathematics to understand that White men + pride + organization = Jews being stuffed into ovens.”
This statement clearly incites violence and endorses wholesale eradication of Jews through genocide championed by the Nazis. Daily Stormer in all its content advocates that proud white men organize themselves. It also presents the inevitable consequence of the organization of white men and their pride: “jews being stuffed into ovens.” This alone is a drastic departure from traditional freedom of speech principles and endorsement of a very violent eventuality. Based on this statement alone, the site should be legitimately shut down as the speech constitutes an incitement of violence.
This point is reinforced by the very tagline of the site: Daily Stormer: “Summer of Hate Edition.” The site spends considerable effort demonizing Asians, Blacks, Mexicans, etc.
I have considered this from a Constitutional perspective and sought a legal perspective. I believe that hate speech and incitement of violence provides ample legal support for a proper termination of the domains.
Our commitment to free speech is well-documented, including through our support of EFF.org, but there is a line where free speech ends and incitement begins. It may be an elusive one but, as United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart stated in his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio: “I know it when I see it.”
So it is here: the quality and context of the material, paired with the support for violent groups and causes passes from protected free speech into incitement.
We have, and always will continue to uphold our principles in support of privacy, freedom of speech and Internet freedom.
Sincerely,
Richard Kirkendall
CEO, Namecheap
https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-…reedom-speech/
Richard:
““It doesn’t take a Ph.D. in mathematics to understand that White men + pride + organization = Jews being stuffed into ovens.”’
Huh? This statement does not “specifically incite” anything.
Outside the context, it could be interpreted in any number of ways.
The most obvious interpretation, IMO, is that this expresses a Jewish person’s hysteria regarding white men’s goals.
Which is the kind thing that the SPLC seems to traffic in.
Regarding the “I know it when I see it” defense, or ruling, that just seems laughable.
Actions speak louder than words.
Pulling down statues is, IMO, “hate” action. Maybe anyone advocated pulling down public statues, not to mention actually going around and doing so, a la Red Guards, should be shut down by the authorities. Also their websites. Also anyone who publicizes their actions and ideas. that would of course include the MSM who report on such actions and ideas and thus encourage “copycats.” Most of these statue crashers appear to be young people. Young fanatics. Like Betar/Red Guards/Hitlerjugend etc. Why are they being encouraged and their attitudes being tacitly approved of and thus encouraged?
The hypocrisy of this whole anti-“hate” campaign is demonstrated by its double standards and cherry picking of which “hate” groups to finger. We see IDF shooting down Palestinians on a daily basis, yet they are not designated a “hate” organization.
One way to split the difference between shutting down putatively noxious speech and First Amendment rights is to institute some kind of “warning” system, as in the case of cigarettes
I am definitely not following your logic.
Of course, I have no idea who you actually are or why you are posting here, but so far your ideas and thinking process are not impressing me as particularly rigorous.
Katherine
First they came for the DailyStormer, I said nothing because I did not read it.. then they came for me.
… subsequently moved their domain to Google’s domain management service.
They moved to the company that fired a software engineer, because he made some statements regarding women in Tech Industry?
Whilst I’m not happy about web sites like Daily Stormer, I have to grudgingly tolerate them. At least those web sites give away the mind set and the rhetorical reasoning of the intolerant.
Finally, before clicking the “Post a comment” button, I would like to get down to the main reason for the few lines that I’ve written: great article!
Posted in a more recent entry, this article is also relevant here:
Think Tank Proves Mass Censorship of Internet Worldwide. The Role of Search Engines. What are the Solutions
http://www.globalresearch.ca/think-tank-proves-mass-censorship-of-internet-worldwide-the-role-of-search-engines-what-are-the-solutions/5605001
“For anti-censorship search engine alternatives to replace Google, Bing and Yahoo, it recommends DuckDuckGo, Qwant, UnBubble, and GoodGopher; For anti-censorship video service alternatives to replace YouTube, it recommends Minds, Vidme, DailyMotion, and Vimeo, combined with Patreon for monetization; For anti-censorship social media platform alternatives to replace Facebook and Twitter, it recommends Minds, Seen, Gab, and Diaspora. It also recommends a list of uncensored reliable and credible news outlets which give fair coverage to independent or alternative news reports.”
Great site, have just started reading the Saker !! great book so far. I thought i knew a lot about Politic’s, was i wrong.
Another site has has had access blocked – this time Canadian :
https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN1B11SS-OCATP
It’s known for ‘Muslim – bashing’ apparently.
So how come Breitbart isn’t shut down?