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There are 2.3 million Uighurs in Xinjiang (also called East Turkistan). When state repression of minorities occurs, Tibet immediately comes to mind, but China’s measures taken against the Uighurs have been far more severe. Unlike the Tibetans, nobody seems to notice or care.
U.S. President Barack Obama has not said a word about the right of the Uighurs to demonstrate or demanded that the Chinese government respect that right.
Repression of the Uighurs has been widely documented for decades. Amnesty International has accused the Chinese government repeatedly of arbitrarily detaining thousands of Uighurs who were at serious risk of torture or ill treatment. It also condemned China for what it called “an assault on Uighur culture as a whole”- closing mosques, restricting the use of the Uighur language, and burning Uighur books and journals.
“Very appalling forms of torture have been recorded in Xinjiang, which as far as we know have never been occurring elsewhere in China,” reported Amnesty International.
The Chinese government has also been conducting cultural cleansing by moving a huge number of Han to Xinjiang. Uighurs complain that these Chinese immigrants enjoy the benefits of the economical development in their oil-rich province.
After 9/11, the Chinese government linked religion and separatism to terrorism and described the Uighur separatists as terrorists. It succeeded in getting one Uighur organization, the East Turkistan Islamic Movement, placed on the United Nations’ list of international terrorist organizations. Four Uighurs captured in Afghanistan were incarcerated at Guantánamo for years before being dumped in Albania because no other country would provide them asylum.
Uighurs, like Tibetans, face open discrimination in the booming cities of China’s east and south, an issue highlighted by the beating to death of at least two Uighurs at a toy factory last month in the southern city of Shaoguan….”
rehmat, you are totally on the opposite side of the fence….why do you come here ? Because no one goes to your own site ? Standing up for Palestinians has blocked your mind to reality
The Urgyars look like Chechens when there was terrorism there….paid to be terrorists…or just stupid youth, misled. I’m sorry but if it was in your blog, and Putin was just starting to go into Chechnya, what would you be posting..?
@Ann – are you trying to tell me you owns this website?? Stop whining like a Zionist idiot and have courage to face the truth. I don’t visit other sites for shopping but to refute lies about the Muslims. My site is visited an average of1000 people each day, so I give a damn if you boycott it.
“Amnesty International has accused the Chinese government repeatedly”
Amnesty International – like all Western NGO’s – is on the team, the Empire of Chaos team.
Amnesty is, and has been for some time, an appendage of the US State Department. But ‘Human Rights Watch’ is far worse. The entire Western overclass has a gigantic amount of group identification tied up in Western civilizational supremacism, the dogma that the West is best, its morals the best, its rule of law the best, its ‘Free Markets’ the best, and they hate and fear China’s rise with a mix of racism, cultural condescension and contempt, and raw fear. The commentary here in Australia re. China is growing insanely antagonistic, and the sheer rudeness, effrontery and lack of respect afforded Xi by the MSM as he visits the UK, has been manic. Even Ecologist, a supposed environmental magazine, had a truly deranged hate rant directed at China over its involvement in the UK nuclear power industry, dementedly accusing China of plotting nuclear blackmail of the UK in the future.
China has gone from unarmed police and police women in Xinjiang to anti-terror Armed Police and PLA special forces in just two years.
When Uyghurs began slaying innocent Han and killing women police, everything changed.
Cause and effect.
Xinjiang is no more native Uyghur land than Hong Kong would be. At least the Tibetans have been there in Tibet forever.
The facts everyday are that there are IS, AQ Uyghur operations, CIA controlled propaganda emanating from Munich and from posters like Rehmat. Well oiled with money from Langley, the Uyghurs are trying to cover over the mass killings, the several attempts to hijack Chinese airliners, the slaughter in Kunming and even the lunatics who crashed the Forbidden City zone at Tiananmen and blew up the family in their vehicle.
Presently, Erdogan is supportive of Turkey’s Uyghurs getting radicalized in Syria and then turning them loose on China.
Those are the some of the background of our dear, oppressed Uyghurs, who have every opportunity to get as rich as any Han, as educated as any Han and to enjoy the blessings of everything China offers to Miao, Tibetans or any of the 55+ ethnicities.
In fact, in Munich, the head of the World Uyghur Congress group became a billionaire in China. How bad could things be? Someone please ask her. Yes, a woman billionaire leads the fight for “Uyghur rights”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebiya_Kadeer
It’s laughable when you know the facts Read about her and you can see how China “repressed” no one.
It is kind of laughable, but I have always find this perculiar behavior with many people. It is somehow in their nature to want to believe in “bad things” about countries they dont know much about, when exposed to Western propaganda. Thus when the West says Saddam has WMD, almost everyone believe it, because they like to. Then when Saddam is gone, they say Iran is evil and wants to destroy Israel, busy building nuclear bomb etc, and of course, many in the West choose to believe it. Then there is the “Russia invades Ukraine” thing. Now of course, they’ll say Assad loves to bomb civilians. Of course, by the time they come over to the Saker site, they came to realize that, well at least the West’s “news” on Ukraine are mostly propaganda, but then woud choose to believe in other lies on other far-away countries that they know little about. It’s like at every stage, their mind is telling them “oh, the western news is only wrong on Ukraine, it’s correct on other places” kind of illogical thinking. I find this to be kind of strange, if not stupid. I learned long ago not to believe the West when it comes to China news, thus, for me, not believing in the BS about Saddam, Iran, Syria, Ukraine, etc etc just come naturally. For me, if the news source is full of propaganda on Ukraine, it is most likely also full of bs on other countries. But for others, it’s like they have a extremely thick skull… that’s all I can say.
and Yes, visiting the Yasukune shrine in Japan will win her a lot of love from the Chinese people.
“In May 2012, while in Tokyo for a conference engagement, Kadeer visited the Yasukuni Shrine, which is controversial because it is where Japanese war criminals are honored. She called on the Japanese government to support Uyghurs financially and politically”
alan, Kadeer is, as all US stooges must be, quite an evil creature. Visiting Yasukuni, of all the places she could visit in Japan to signify respect for the Japanese, directly affronts China and the memory of the millions of Chinese killed by Japanese fascism. A really evil gesture, but I’m not surprised.
Firstly,
I think Southfront did an excellent job outlining this topic regarding Uighur terrorism, it’s internationalization, the Nexus with that islamist snake Erdogan and the fact that Uighur terrorists have slaughtered native Sunni Syrian villager in jisr-ur-shugour to take their land and property (stuff I posted on this site last week under the southfront article on “China’s Take” regarding Russian airstrikes.
I wish I could say the same about some of the comments posted here ridiculing user Rehmat’s points.
Larchmonter, if you’re going to ridicule Muslims like Rehmat because you can’t address their concerns based on facts, you’re only further destroying your already hollowed credibility.
You have not addressed a single point that Rehmat has brought up. Admittedly amnesty international is a western NGO which selectively highlights human rights violations based the agenda of their masters. However, that said, they often do document and uncover real violations (since they want have a particularly strong political cudgel against whatever govt they’re accusing).
Your inability to address Rehmat’s charges and your resorting to ridiculing him wrecks your credibility.
You also use false logic such as:
In fact, in Munich, the head of the World Uyghur Congress group became a billionaire in China. How bad could things be?
That’s an amateurish comparison beyond belief. For example here’s another analogy:
the US President is Black so therefore how bad could things be for Black Americans? Of course the police in America don’t racially profile, harass and murder unarmed black people in America, because the American president is black!
Or how about:
Akhmetov is the richest billionaire in Ukraine and he’s a Russian speaker from Eastern Ukraine, (and a Muslim to boot), so how bad must things really be for Eastern-Ukraine Russian speakers?
There were plenty of Black millionaires under Apartheid, that didn’t mean that blacks weren’t be horribly oppressed. There were plenty of Black owned businesses and black millionaires under Jim Crow in the US south, that doesn’t mean that black weren’t being marginalized in that openly racist system.
Wow, Larchmonter, what a stunningly lame argument you made.
Now I have no sympathy for Uighurs, I’m fact, as i said earlier, over the last few days I posted several links on this site pointing to atrocities caused by Uighurs, (including in Syria). Nor was the vicious attacks on Han civilians (unarmed shopkeepers, women and old men) justifiably by Uighur terrorists – it was disgusting and Barbaric. However, that does not mean that innocent Uighurs should be persecuted nor Rehmat’s concerns be ignored and not addressed. They should be addressed based on facts rather than on sycophancy and ego inspired self authority.
It is quite different, of course, but a large percentage of the people in Hong Kong are unhappy about how things have gone the last ten or fifteen years. Highest real estate prices in the world, along with tremendous problems from Mainland shoppers and immigrants. At the same time, the old and good legal and political system is fraying at the edges. Political pressure to get certain results and more. All because the corrupt and occasionally brutal ways of the Mainland are now taking over. It is a good bet that foreign companies are going to choose Singapore over Hong Kong for their base in dealing with China, which is somewhat absurd. Actually, Singapore may already have passed Hong Kong in many ways.
And for those who say this is simply one guy’s opinion, well, actually, it is not so much my opinion as the opinions of those I know in Hong Kong who work in government. They can still talk somewhat freely over a meal somewhere, at least for now. I am too ignorant to say much other than the tension is palpable in Hong Kong and has been for at least a year or more.
So it is great that China is a balance against the insane and evil American/NATO gang, but China needs to be improved, too. Unfortunately, compromise seems to be seen as losing face, and this is causing problems like those in Hong Kong (and probably Xinjiang) to fester and get worse.
LOLZ Paul II. I hope your experience in Hong Kong didn’t consist of anything more than a week of partying and getting drunk. The “issues” in Hong Kong have sure hurt the local people, but the group with the most influence in government and the ONLY beneficiaries of the ultra high housing prices are the local banks and developers/land barons. They’re the ones who have effectively bought out the government and have used BS issues to halt the formerly well-functioning public housing schemes. Oh, and Hong Kong is still an awesome tax haven for tax cheats from the Mainland and everywhere else. At least the bankers win again.
What does this have to do with China itself? Not much actually. Plenty of public housing is still built in China. Capital gains taxes to thwart speculators. Even the ongoing and slowly implemented land tax. Mind you, these housing and taxation schemes have been used elsewhere (including much of the West) to provide better living standards AND to lower the cost of living.
Lotsa angry people in Hong Kong. They should be angry at the fire industry. But their anger was manipulated and projected against a group they deem to be lower than themselves–Low roller Mainland consumers and flippers. You were gullible enough to repeat this attitude. I find the situation to be similar to say, the angry Anglos in California. High prices, lousy jobs, crumbling infrastructure. But instead of getting angry at those in control, they blame Mexicans.
And as for Rehmat and the others who parrot identity politics while overlooking actual terrorism–Eesh, too …. to take seriously. Luckily the whole “let’s kill infidels” thing isn’t going down well with the vast majority of Uighurs, or anyone else.
Angry,
Gullible is not the word. I am super cynical. But you are totally missing the point that the locals in Hong Kong are screwed by an alliance of the local elite with their Beijing new sort-of bosses, and that the locals are therefore susceptible to destabilization attempts.
And, when I am not in a drunken stupor, I definitely notice the much lower quality of life here than in years past. How about you? How many sober years have you spent in Hong Kong?
Do you think it has anything to do with a lot more competition that come with advancement of less developed countries? After all, Japan, north america and Europe are all have reduced living standards. If the HK youth goes to China, the competition will be even more intense. Change constitution will not help either.
Xinjiang is an area in China that has been employed by the U.S. for subversive activity every bit as much as Chechnya has in Russia in the past.
Plenty have been recruited for the Syrian conflict in exactly the same way, in order to take the same militancy back home.
In order to control this activity, Chinese authorities have found it necessary to move in a far more watchful eye, and one that’s equipped on a level which equates more with the definition military than civil policing.
Everybody in the area will be affected by this, and normal activity will be curtailed in a manner which will appear to be somewhat rigid and unfair on those who are guilty of nothing. On the other hand, if there’s anybody here, with any local, street level connection, that can assure us all that recent sabotage involving chemical plants in China doesn’t stem from this area, I’m sure we’d all be suitably grateful. This at risk of being accused of sycophancy and being an ego inspired self authority.
I’m sorry David but are you Larchmonter? My point was addressed specifically to him and his post (along with its seriously sloppy logic and his unjustied & arrogant dismissal of Rehmat’s points.)
I don’t see why you would take the description I put to him onto yourself. Are you telling us that you self-identify with the term: “ego-inspired self authority”? Nothing in your post prior to that struck me as arrogant or cavalier nor of grandiose self-declared authority.
I’d very much like to hear from a credible source (with proof) responding to your query about industrial sabotage in China. It would really add to our knowledge and understanding of the situation in China.
***excuse me anonymous, this is a public thread and you don’t have special services to speak exclusively to one person…for that use email. And by the way personal attacks don’t get through more than once -modaa
Anon, don’t you think it takes a little, shall we say chutzpah, to accuse one commenter of really being another when you remain ‘anonymous’?
I didn’t accuse, I asked a real question therefore no ‘chutzpah’ was involved.
But thats ok mulga, that fact that you didn’t understand is to be expected.
China should solve that problem before it spreads.Those that foment terrorism there “have no rights to protect”,that is the bottom-line.The Uyghur’s have been a part of China for a thousand years.They have autonomy,which they could use better if some of them weren’t involved in terrorism.The Chinese plans with the Silk Road will bring great opportunity to the entire region.And their background of religion and connections with the neighboring peoples of Central Asia would make them very much players in the economic advances to come.But none of that will be possible for them if they let themselves become enemies of China.The Chinese have no intention of dismantling the Chinese motherland to suit the wishes of some Uyghurs and the West.
Dear Uncle Bob1,
Just a sincere question for you (thought experiment):
What’s your opinion of the random stabbings of Israelis by desperate Palestinian youth? I’m not trying to be provocative nor draw a parallel to the Uigur situation in China. I am simple trying learn from you.
Best regards.
To Espelho:
I hate that that is happening.But I’m more sad than anything else about it.Unlike many ethnic or religious disputes in the World.There are some so horrible and repressive that people turn to desperation to fight them.That is one such case.It won’t solve anything I’m afraid.But I can understand the utter misery that has caused that reaction.I think the Palestinian leaders should ask their people to not do that (not to “condemn it”.That is just a “cheap” term politicians use.),but instead explain that that action is wrong.And please stop it,it doesn’t help them.BTW I don’t think that way about protests.They are the only “weapons” the Palestinians have to get people to see the horror they suffer in their own homeland.
Dear uncle bob1,
Thank for your considered and sincere response.
I agree with you that killing innocent people is wrong. Stabbing random civilians is wrong. However, I also see that Netanyahu’s stupidity, arrogance, incompetence and duplicitousness & in your face dishonesty meant that the Palestinians clearly understand that their situation is only going to get worse and worse the more they “behave themselves”. This is the message they are receiving from the extreme racist wing of Israeli politics (who thanks to the mismanagement and ego of that blowhard, Netanyahu, have gained control over Israel’s security & settlement agenda). It’s the worst message you can ever pass to people backed into a corner.
Now if the principle of resistance (both violent and peaceful) to cultural or physical genocide is considered a natural right then how can we, with a straight-face, cherry pick who has that right and who doesn’t?
I do differ with your conclusion (it won’t solve anything): Based on what happened today, it does appear that this spontaneous expression of desperation, rage and opposition by Palestinian youth has yielded results: Israel caved in and restored the status quo conditions for al-Aqsa and lifted restrictions on Palestinian young men to pray there. Suddenly, the Palestinian protests have died down.
Just food for thought.
Thanks again, I do enjoy your postings because they tend to be informative, relevant and balanced, please keep it up.
Best regards.
Espelho. Chinese NEVER practice ethic cleansing, never practice apartheid. Chinese also do not make a target practice of any one.
Xingjiang was always a beatiful, romatic place for us Han because their vibrant culture, various fruit, and situated on storied silk road. A family friend even hup on a train went there to looking for a beautifull bride.
The violence is a complete new phenomenon.
While chinese government take criminals to justice, it also give others education, job skill and find them employment as the government feel the inadequate of education are the cause of religious extremism.
Chinese Confucius government will always treat all her people as one and provide extra support where needed. It is also most logic way to manage a country.
Espelho, there is NO comparison between the condition of the Uighurs in the PRC and the Palestinians imprisoned and brutalised in Palestine. You might have a point if the PRC had carpet-bombed, say, Kashgar, killing 2000 Uighurs, and kept them imprisoned with no escape, for eight years. Possibly.
That’s the thing, there’s no equivalency between the situation of Uighurs in China and Palestineans in occupied territory. The actual number of incidents is much smaller in Xinjiang, the perpetrators are disproportionately influenced and funded by third parties, and there’s much less support for tribal violence amongst the Uighur population in Xinjiang itself.
Israel is an apartheid state. You’d have to lump it with Saudi Arabia. And we’re now seeing glimpses of the Saudi Shia population and their anger.
thanks South Front..good show and I hope that China is ready for this. Its seems like they are.
Across the planet the good is fighting the evil…its a part of our times, and I’m glad its finally come into the open…for many years this evil grew strong under liberal views….now is its hour. But its easier to overcome when its in full view.