Can’t we have some international arrangement that whenever the Azov Battalion and Right Sector forces are preparing an attack, the rest of the world must come to the victim-state’s aid??? R2P, indeed.
There is nothing as “rest of the world” . The Hegemon planted the Fascist thugs to carry out such heinous activities in Donbas and Novorossian region. Other countries are almost helpless bystander (even if Russia provides humanitarian aids, and some arms, large scale aid is ‘politically’ difficult).
@Straight-Bat, in reality not, because the dissolution of the Soviet Union was against the Union-wide March 1991 referenda, against the constitution and hence against international law because the Soviet Union is an internationally recognized and well respected member of the UN.
The problem is: Russia at some point needs a leadership who finally makes this crystal-clear to the world community, rather than being afraid of “what our western partners” may perhaps “feel” about that.
This step should have been done before it was too late already and Gorbachev and more so Yeltsin hanged/hung.
But for justice it is never too late.
One only needs to create justice.
As DonBass is legally still part of the Soviet Union (and perhaps should be returned to the RSFSR undoing Lenin’s well-intended step after what we saw recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic ) this all is a domestic matter. I’m not sure what you think could be “politically difficult” in saving the lives of girls, childs, families. innocent civilians and fathers protecting the true constitution!
I HATE SEPARATISTS, because that’s what KIEV is.
The fighters of DonBass are instead Unionists, defending the unity of their mother nation.
‘S’ is my first initial, and the numbers were random. I started with 123 and didn’t like it, so I changed it to 113 and I did like it. Really liked it, actually!!
That is an interesting coincidence to the Solaris 11.3 – I am much too technologically illiterate to be familiar with this Solaris business. :-)
Back to the DPR and LPR for a minute, I understand and agree with the view that other countries are politically prevented from intervening, yet I still agree with your perspective, Martin, that there could be nothing “politically difficult” in saving innocent, civilian lives. The thing is any country, anywhere in the world, at any time could face this similar situation. These are not armed forces of a nation, these are extremist thugs, undisguised, unapologetic. If the thugs happened to be Islamic, they would likely be a terrorist group that would justify a military response from the international community. How can we do nothing when our very own country could be next? It’s difficult because I know the new govt in Canada does not need more imperial trouble from the South, but still, how can we not draw the line at an invasion or military operation conducted by gangs?
Without a lot of civil unrest, Trudeau is going for the TPP so he is not a friend of Canadians or Canada. We will have to make him protect our rights which are seriously undermined in this agreement even further or he will just pass it in collusion with Harper conservatives. He should have exposed the NATO war of terror and put a stake through their heart-so he is Harper with a human face so to speak.
RR
Yes, it is very discouraging that Trudeau’s liberals haven’t exposed the NATO war of terror. Contributors to Globalresearch.ca, Mark Taliano and Christopher Black keep a close eye on the Canadian government’s policies on war. I appreciate their watchfulness.
Having said that: Given that in the last election (just six months ago), the national newspapers and Postmedia endorsed Harper’s conservatives, it may be difficult to get any press coverage of an anti-NATO move. Even the CBC has a tiny bit of bias. (“CBC Board Member Resigns to Seek Conservative Party Presidency” http://thetyee.ca/News/2016/04/27/CBC-Board-Member-Resigns/)
I suppose establishing trade relations with Russia would be an anti-NATO move. So on April 14th, when President Putin answered a reporter’s question about Canada’s new PM by saying, “we look forward to working together,” and that PM Trudeau wants to “build relations… as we did in previous years” (/president-putin-met-with-journalists-following-the-direct-line-april14th-2016/), this might indicate that Canada is not following NATO’s mandate? Did this receive any coverage in Canada?
What does receive lots of coverage is news about the need for NATO-led war. My recent personal favorite was on Feb. 15, 2016, when the entire front cover of the National Post was dedicated to coverage of Russian warplanes destroying a Doctors Without Borders hospital in northern Syria, with the headline, “When Will the West Stand Up to Russia?” Imperial evidence pointed the finger of blame at Russia, while empirical evidence showed it was a plane from the NATO coalition that conducted the airstrike. What’s that saying again? The first casualty of war is the truth? And the second is transparency in government?
I suppose Trudeau’s govt could always drop leaflets on us like they do in occupied countries, to tell us an anti-NATO message.
Trudeau also apparently supports joining the China-initiated Asian Infrastructure Development Bank (isn’t the TPP supposed to form a bloc against China??) And Bombardier is planning to bid for contracts in Iran. (Just to recap, for those of you like me with a “bingo” card and a dauber, that’s bi-lateral trade with Russia, joining the bank in China, and bidding on contracts in Iran.)
So… is this the quiet calm before the US-led sanctioning-into-oblivion?? Are we (and not just Canada’s Indigenous people) the Arabs of the West? And if so, am I supposed to be ashamed of that?
What you stated are historical facts – nobody can deny them.
But, considering USSR as a dissolved entity (even if that was through acts of treachery), Russian government can not just move into any other ex-Soviet state except probably in a situation where very serious humanitarian disaster is in the making. And, in any other case, crossing the present border is really “politically difficult”.
All said and done, the Ukrainian Fascists will only increase their activities in future.
Hence, Russian government will not have options other than taking concrete steps to put a stop to neo-fascism… Question is when ?
It is ironic that liberals constantly rail against Trump, calling him a fascist. Yet their own ‘dear leader’ Obama is actively supporting and arming Nazi armies in Europe. Obama even fought congress to lift the well-reasoned ban on training these Nazis.
Obama has certainly mastered the cult of personality, and at the same time, he has made a fool out of liberals and their angry cries of fascism.
I sincerely hope, that if the E.U. renews sanctions on Russia, that Putin takes the gloves off, and goes to work. My proposal is simple, supply D.P.R. and L.P.R. with armed drones, and have those drones take out any Ukrainian artillery that breaks the “ceasefire”. Russia will have deniable plausibility, and the Ukrainian goons wont be able to sleep at night, constantly fearing death from above. How freaking hard can that be. Its obvious that the O.S.C.E. is a bunch duplicitous goons, who won’t don’t do anything about the “ceasefire” violations.
Can’t we have some international arrangement that whenever the Azov Battalion and Right Sector forces are preparing an attack, the rest of the world must come to the victim-state’s aid??? R2P, indeed.
S113,
There is nothing as “rest of the world” . The Hegemon planted the Fascist thugs to carry out such heinous activities in Donbas and Novorossian region. Other countries are almost helpless bystander (even if Russia provides humanitarian aids, and some arms, large scale aid is ‘politically’ difficult).
@Straight-Bat, in reality not, because the dissolution of the Soviet Union was against the Union-wide March 1991 referenda, against the constitution and hence against international law because the Soviet Union is an internationally recognized and well respected member of the UN.
The problem is: Russia at some point needs a leadership who finally makes this crystal-clear to the world community, rather than being afraid of “what our western partners” may perhaps “feel” about that.
This step should have been done before it was too late already and Gorbachev and more so Yeltsin hanged/hung.
But for justice it is never too late.
One only needs to create justice.
As DonBass is legally still part of the Soviet Union (and perhaps should be returned to the RSFSR undoing Lenin’s well-intended step after what we saw recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic ) this all is a domestic matter. I’m not sure what you think could be “politically difficult” in saving the lives of girls, childs, families. innocent civilians and fathers protecting the true constitution!
I HATE SEPARATISTS, because that’s what KIEV is.
The fighters of DonBass are instead Unionists, defending the unity of their mother nation.
p.s. OT question to S113 – what does your acronym stand for, Solaris11.3 ?
https://www.oracle.com/solaris/solaris11/index.html
Hi Martin,
‘S’ is my first initial, and the numbers were random. I started with 123 and didn’t like it, so I changed it to 113 and I did like it. Really liked it, actually!!
That is an interesting coincidence to the Solaris 11.3 – I am much too technologically illiterate to be familiar with this Solaris business. :-)
Back to the DPR and LPR for a minute, I understand and agree with the view that other countries are politically prevented from intervening, yet I still agree with your perspective, Martin, that there could be nothing “politically difficult” in saving innocent, civilian lives. The thing is any country, anywhere in the world, at any time could face this similar situation. These are not armed forces of a nation, these are extremist thugs, undisguised, unapologetic. If the thugs happened to be Islamic, they would likely be a terrorist group that would justify a military response from the international community. How can we do nothing when our very own country could be next? It’s difficult because I know the new govt in Canada does not need more imperial trouble from the South, but still, how can we not draw the line at an invasion or military operation conducted by gangs?
Without a lot of civil unrest, Trudeau is going for the TPP so he is not a friend of Canadians or Canada. We will have to make him protect our rights which are seriously undermined in this agreement even further or he will just pass it in collusion with Harper conservatives. He should have exposed the NATO war of terror and put a stake through their heart-so he is Harper with a human face so to speak.
RR
Hi RR,
Yes, it is very discouraging that Trudeau’s liberals haven’t exposed the NATO war of terror. Contributors to Globalresearch.ca, Mark Taliano and Christopher Black keep a close eye on the Canadian government’s policies on war. I appreciate their watchfulness.
Having said that: Given that in the last election (just six months ago), the national newspapers and Postmedia endorsed Harper’s conservatives, it may be difficult to get any press coverage of an anti-NATO move. Even the CBC has a tiny bit of bias. (“CBC Board Member Resigns to Seek Conservative Party Presidency” http://thetyee.ca/News/2016/04/27/CBC-Board-Member-Resigns/)
I suppose establishing trade relations with Russia would be an anti-NATO move. So on April 14th, when President Putin answered a reporter’s question about Canada’s new PM by saying, “we look forward to working together,” and that PM Trudeau wants to “build relations… as we did in previous years” (/president-putin-met-with-journalists-following-the-direct-line-april14th-2016/), this might indicate that Canada is not following NATO’s mandate? Did this receive any coverage in Canada?
What does receive lots of coverage is news about the need for NATO-led war. My recent personal favorite was on Feb. 15, 2016, when the entire front cover of the National Post was dedicated to coverage of Russian warplanes destroying a Doctors Without Borders hospital in northern Syria, with the headline, “When Will the West Stand Up to Russia?” Imperial evidence pointed the finger of blame at Russia, while empirical evidence showed it was a plane from the NATO coalition that conducted the airstrike. What’s that saying again? The first casualty of war is the truth? And the second is transparency in government?
I suppose Trudeau’s govt could always drop leaflets on us like they do in occupied countries, to tell us an anti-NATO message.
Trudeau also apparently supports joining the China-initiated Asian Infrastructure Development Bank (isn’t the TPP supposed to form a bloc against China??) And Bombardier is planning to bid for contracts in Iran. (Just to recap, for those of you like me with a “bingo” card and a dauber, that’s bi-lateral trade with Russia, joining the bank in China, and bidding on contracts in Iran.)
So… is this the quiet calm before the US-led sanctioning-into-oblivion?? Are we (and not just Canada’s Indigenous people) the Arabs of the West? And if so, am I supposed to be ashamed of that?
S113
And me thinking you are from Amsterdam where the different freeway exits and city routes have been named with a S and a number, like S113… :-D
Martin from S.E.B.,
What you stated are historical facts – nobody can deny them.
But, considering USSR as a dissolved entity (even if that was through acts of treachery), Russian government can not just move into any other ex-Soviet state except probably in a situation where very serious humanitarian disaster is in the making. And, in any other case, crossing the present border is really “politically difficult”.
All said and done, the Ukrainian Fascists will only increase their activities in future.
Hence, Russian government will not have options other than taking concrete steps to put a stop to neo-fascism… Question is when ?
Martin from S.E.B.,
the above post is from me in response to your post.
It is ironic that liberals constantly rail against Trump, calling him a fascist. Yet their own ‘dear leader’ Obama is actively supporting and arming Nazi armies in Europe. Obama even fought congress to lift the well-reasoned ban on training these Nazis.
Obama has certainly mastered the cult of personality, and at the same time, he has made a fool out of liberals and their angry cries of fascism.
Somewhat ironic, but there’s really nothing very inconsistent about multiple US politicians in different nominal camps all having fascist tendencies.
I sincerely hope, that if the E.U. renews sanctions on Russia, that Putin takes the gloves off, and goes to work. My proposal is simple, supply D.P.R. and L.P.R. with armed drones, and have those drones take out any Ukrainian artillery that breaks the “ceasefire”. Russia will have deniable plausibility, and the Ukrainian goons wont be able to sleep at night, constantly fearing death from above. How freaking hard can that be. Its obvious that the O.S.C.E. is a bunch duplicitous goons, who won’t don’t do anything about the “ceasefire” violations.