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Renowned American Military Expert Explains How Turkey Ambushed Russia’s Su-24
“Pierre Sprey, one of the brainchilds behind two of America’s most successful fighter aircraft, the F-16 and A-10, explains in detail how the Turks set up an ambush for Russia’s Su-24”
http://russia-insider.com/en/renowned-american-military-expert-explains-how-turkey-ambushed-russias-su-24/ri11755
An interesting new piece of information to me is that Pierre says that the SU-24 doesn’t have UHF radio, only VHF.
There are two emergency broadcast frequencies 121.5 VHF and 243.0 UHF. Turkey claimed in other articles to have broadcast a warning 10 times -on 243.0.
How convenient.
If you also want to hear a damming indictment by him of the USA’s F-35 Lemonjet there are several Youtubes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw
Putin wants the black box from the SU-24 opened and assessed only in the presence of international experts. Britain has declined to assist -see second URL.
Telling isn’t it?
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151208/1031440646/putin-su-24-black-box.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/09/uk-and-russia-agree-to-work-together-in-fight-against-isis
I wonder if they can get any “Western” country to assist. If the Black Box shows Turkey was lying the NATO support for Turkey would be difficult to continue. But if Russia is forced to open the Black Box by itself or maybe with China’s assistance they can claim it was tampered with and deny the findings.
Well, there’s the rub -no NATO country would touch that one with a ten foot pole nor any country that fears the Hegemon. Any other country would be declared ‘complicit’ with Russian aggression in violating sovereign Turkish airspace and the black box would be pronounced as fake.
Perhaps some outfit like the civilian ICAO could be forced to undertake an investigation if UN pressure was applied? Maybe even the MH17 lead investigator, Eliot Higgins, if he can be pried off his couch?
Meantime, Putin can get lots of mileage out of listing all the countries that refuse.
They should get Brazil or Malaya or India as witnesses.
For heaven’s sake, let Russia open the black box in front of the entire UN general assembly, obliging the world to hear its contents, then we shall see whose nation’s reps are first to walk out of the assembly hall in feigned indignation.
If we are lucky, Samantha Powers will take her shoe off and bang it on the desk, like Khrushchev did. LOL.
Guest, don’t give the zionazis any ideas. Having that neanderthal remove one of her shoes there would certainly clear the room. Fast.
That Sperry interview was most informative, thanks, S1.
In addition, note the tactics used by the Turk quislings are very similar to those used by Ukrainian quislings when they shot down mh17. Jets loitering at low, below radar, altitudes, which then are “activated”, pop up, run their attacks, then dive below the radar horizon again. The Israeli-Americans (zionazis-nazis in shorthand) are using the same military tactics for their civilian airliner provocations and for military provocations.
These are dim souls, correction, creatures totally devoid of souls, doubtful these are even human beings committing these war crimes.
has anyone checked marinetraffic.com to see if ships are still piling up outside the Bosphorus? The live map doesn’t seem to be working for me.
Iran Retreating From Syria Fight
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-12-10/western-officials-iran-retreating-from-syria-fight
Iran is beginning to withdraw its elite fighters from the Russian-led military campaign in Syria, according to U.S. and other Western military officials, suggesting a fissure in what President Barack Obama derided last month as a “coalition of two.”
U.S. officials tell me they are seeing significant numbers of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps troops retreat from the Syrian combat zone in recent weeks, following the deaths and wounding of some of top officers in a campaign to retake Idlib Province and other areas lost this year to opposition forces supported by the West and Gulf Arab States. As a result, the Russian-initiated offensive that was launched in September seems to be losing an important ally.
On Friday at the Saban Forum at the Brookings Institution, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said that Russia’s initial plan was to take back Idlib and other cities that had fallen under rebel control within three months. “It’s not going to happen because of the military difficulties,” he said, adding that the campaign to date looked to be a “failure.” He cited the “incompetence” of Syria’s army as well as “the lack of determination of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps.”
This is a surprising turn of events. A number of Western media outlets reported this fall that Qassem Suleimani, the leader of Iran’s elite Quds Force, and Russia’s defense ministry had negotiated an infusion of Iranian forces into Syria over the summer, shortly after the conclusion of the nuclear negotiations between Iran and six other world powers. That surge was supposed to change the tide of the Syrian war that the dictator Bashar al-Assad was losing, as more of his territory fell to a coalition of rebels supported by the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others.
In October, the Wall Street Journal reported on experts’ assessments there more than 7,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps members and other militia volunteers were aiding the Syrian regime. In late October, General Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified there were 2,000 Iranian troops in Syria leading the fight to save Assad.
Today that number has dwindled, according to U.S. and other Western officials. One estimate shared with me by a senior Western defense official said there were only 700 Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps members now fighting in the Russian-led offensive. (That estimate does not include Iranian military advisers who have embedded with the Syrian armed forces since 2012.)
One reason Iran is now withdrawing from Syria, according to U.S. officials, is that many officers have been killed or wounded in the heavy fighting this fall. The U.S. intelligence community is still trying to verify reports that Suleimani himself was injured in late November in Aleppo, Syria’s largest city.
Robert Ford, who served as U.S. ambassador to Syria between 2011 and 2014, told me reports from the region suggest that guard corps members are in the very thick of the warfare. “They are losing lieutenants,” he said. “When you lose lieutenants it means you are losing people fighting on the front lines.” Iran has started acknowledging some of those losses in its official press.
Ford said the fierce combat the Iranians and Russians have encountered is an indication that the Western and Gulf Arab support for the Syrian opposition may be having a significant effect.
The question for U.S. policy makers is what an Iranian withdrawal will mean for Russia’s campaign. Both countries remain steadfast that Assad should remain in power for the foreseeable future. Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, even mused this week about using nuclear weapons against the Islamic State, which has declared a caliphate in territory it has conquered in eastern Syria and western Iraq.
Meanwhile, some press reports say Russia is planning to open a second air base near Homs in central Syria, in addition to the facility at Latakia on the Mediterranean coast, suggesting that Moscow has decided to escalate the air war. (The media site Russia Today contradicted those reports.) In the last week, U.S. officials say they have seen an increase in the Russian air campaign in Aleppo.
Nonetheless, some U.S. policy makers stress that the Kremlin cannot continue its air campaign indefinitely. Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken made this point last week at a forum hosted by Foreign Policy Magazine, saying that while Russia’s military intervention in Syria increased its leverage over Assad, it also “increased the conflict’s leverage over Russia. Russia cannot afford to do what it’s doing in Syria for a long period of time.”
The conflict has also increased its leverage over Iran. “If the Iranians feel over the long term they need a deal, if the cost of maintaining the Assad government is too great for them, then these developments are a positive,” Ford, who is now a scholar at the Middle East Institute, told me. “If they feel the costs of the battle can be sustained for months, if not years, they may be able to pay that price. They put a high value on maintaining the Assad government as it is now.”
Since 2011, when the Syrian people began the uprising against Assad, Iran and Russia have been willing to pay that increasing price to keep their client in power. And yet even with a new Russian air campaign and an infusion of Iranian fighters, Assad has been unable to take back his country. The Obama administration now hopes the withdrawal of Iranian forces is an indication that at least one of Assad’s benefactors may decide to cut its losses.
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Yes, you are right. Next time I will remember.
Utu, I also would wonder why you bring MSM articles here and ask for serious consideration of this garbage.
LOL – bloomersberg, a zio-gay media claim.
Article should have snipped from the comment, the link was enough. In a previous discussion, a “webhelper” slipped a long khodo speil through which should have also been snipped, since the link was provided. Wake up moderators, we can visit any zio-media site for this sort of nonsense. People look in here to get away from that propaganda rubbish.
The commenter was warned and answered he would not do it again. It was reached a consensus here that we would not ban MSM articles/links as a result of many commenters complaining about it when some moderators kept banning these sources.
…the tide of the Syrian war that the dictator Bashar al-Assad was losing… That should have been: …the tide of the Syrian civil war that the dictator Bashar al-Assad was losing…
There is nothing civil about a war funded by, trained by and initiated by many foreign powers for an imperial objective using mercenaries. Especially when the support of the government is at such high levels.
Exaxtly. Stop calling it civil war. That is enemy lingo.
All sorts of propaganda mixed with lies and damn lies in the MSM owned by AngloZionist plutocracy and oligarchy !
If anything, Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah have been coordinating with Russia MORE THAN EVER in Syrian war that resulted recapturing of large areas during past two months of ground operation with continuous aerial bombardment of Takfiri position (by RuAF).
Some great news for once.. But it could all be Hollywood fiction… Also why the US took the chance to bomb SAA positions coordinated with a major IS assault on the military base, IS was not able to directly take the base without air cover twice before..
targeted assassinations…
Confirmed: Death of #ISIL finance minister Abu Saleh & 2 associates as part of coalition campaign to destroy ISIL’s financial infrastructure
….According to Vladimir Putin, it was necessary to express gratitude to the Russian servicemen from the Special Task Force, search-and-rescue teams, and the Syrian Armed Forces. They managed to get the recorder, which would certainly provide an opportunity to puzzle out what had happened.
Syria T-90A #SyrianArmedForces #SAA
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=948448278524288
#ISIS suffers disastrous defeat in #DeirEzzor – over 150 terrorists killed 6 October
On monday morning, the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) launched a full-scale assault on the provincial capital of the Deir Ezzor Governorate, attacking the #SyrianArmedForces’ frontline defenses at the Military Airport; the Al-Sina’a, Al-Haweeqa, and Al-‘Amal Districts; and the village of Al-Muri’iyah.
Unfortunately for the terrorist group, they were severely outmatched by the soldiers from the 137th Artillery Brigade of the 17th Reserve Division and the 104th Airborne Brigade of the #RepublicanGuard.
Upon their initial assault at the #DeirEzzorMilitaryAirport, ISIS sent two waves of fighters towards the contested army base (southern perimeter of the airport); however, the charging terrorists were overwhelmed by the fierce resistance from the #SyrianArabArmy and the relentless aerial assault by the #RussianAirForce.
The terrorist group’s frontlines were fractured by the Syrian Armed Forces and Russian Air Force; this resulted in the death of over 55 enemy combatants from ISIS, including their Tunisian field commander.
Meanwhile, at the Al-‘#Amal (Workers) and Al-#Sinaa (Industrial) Districts of #DeirEzzor City, ISIS made the mistake of attempting to push into these well-fortified areas; this attack was repelled by the #SyrianArmedForces, who reportedly killed 32 enemy combatants from the terrorist group before they made an eastbound retreat.
Perhaps the most impressive victory for the Syrian Armed Forces came at the contested district of Al-Haweeqa, where they were originally attacked by a large contingent of ISIS fighters at the northern flank.
ISIS stormed the Syrian Armed Forces’ defenses at the northern flank of Al-#Haweeqa; however, once again, they found themselves under attack by the Russian Air Force, who relentlessly bombarded their reserve units, leaving over 20 terrorist dead in the process.
With ISIS’ frontlines crumbling, the Syrian Army’s 137th Brigade took advantage of this, capturing a half dozen building blocks and unearthing a 150 meter tunnel that belonged to the terrorist group inside the Al-#Haweeqa District.
Undeterred by their high death toll and failed infiltration attempts, ISIS launched one last assault at the imperative village of Al-Muri’iyah, where they foolishly stormed the Syrian Armed Forces’ defenses in an open field; this resulted in the death of almost 40 terrorists.
According to a military source from the 104th Airborne Brigade, ISIS’ offensive was a disaster and ill-prepared for something of this magnitude in the Deir Ezzor Governorate.
Furthermore, the Russian Air Force played an integral role in this defeat, as they relentlessly pounded the terrorist group with numerous airstrikes.
Voir la traduction
Spokesman of Army: Air force destroys 1375 targets for terrorists during two weeks
Information minister hits back at Saudi FM statements against Syria
Damascus, SANA-Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi issued a scathing response to Saudi Foreign Minister’s recent statements about President Bashar al-Assad, describing them as “farcical”.
“You are too mean to speak foul of the Syrian people, army and state…You’d better heed issues that suit your low standards, maybe so you can stop being a loser,” al-Zoubi said in a blistering rebuke.
Al-Zoubi said that the Saudi Foreign Minister has had a habit of issuing almost weekly statements against Syria which is the target of a terrorist war orchestrated by the Saudi regime.
http://sana.sy/en/?p=63849
Russia has always been an ally not an occupier unlike the US, Shaaban affirms
Damascus, SANA – Presidential Political and Media Advisor Bouthaina Shaaban stressed that the solid Russian-Syrian relations have taken new a leap after joint work in the fight against terrorism.
“Russia’s role in the region throughout history has always been one on of an ally and not an occupier, unlike the American role in Iraq and the Gulf,” Shaaban said in an interview with the Syrian TV channel aired on Wednesday.
The Russian people, she added, were shocked and angry at the “stupid” Turkish conduct of downing the Russian warplane in Lattakia. “However we in Syria were not surprised at this conduct having experienced five years of continuous Turkish acts of aggression,” she added.
Shaaban pointed out that a new system led by Russia is emerging that is characterized by a strategy built on respecting the international legitimacy and conventions, referring to the Russian veto repeatedly used at the Security Council that has prevented a Libyan scenario in Syria.
She criticized the US-led coalition against terrorism as a clear indicator of the western hypocrisy, dismissing any comparison between Russia and the West as the former is acting upon the request of and coordinating with the Syrian legitimate government whereas the West’s practices are based on double standards.
http://sana.sy/en/?p=63811
Time was when Britain and France wanted Russia to control the Dardanelles.
“In March 1915, Britain signed a secret agreement with Russia, whose designs on the empire’s territory had led the Turks to join forces with Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1914. By its terms, Russia would annex the Ottoman capital of Constantinople and retain control of the Dardanelles (the crucially important strait connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean) and the Gallipoli peninsula, the target of a major Allied military invasion begun in April 1915. In return, Russia would agree to British claims on other areas of the former Ottoman Empire and central Persia, including the oil-rich region of Mesopotamia”.
And Sykes and Picot built on this (although, as they would always remain mid-level officials, their efforts were somewhat questionable)
“In March 1916, Sykes and Picot traveled to Russia to secure their Entente ally’s agreement to their partition plan. In addition to their earlier claims to the straits and Constantinople, confirmed in the 1915 Constantinople Agreement, the tsar’s ministers sought British and French recognition of the annexation of the Turkish territories that the Russian army had recently overrun—Erzurum, the Black Sea port of Trabzon, the shattered city of Van, and Bitlis—as the price for their acquiescence to the terms of Sykes-Picot. With Russia’s support secured by May 1916, the Allies had achieved a comprehensive agreement on the postwar partition of the Ottoman Empire. And for the moment, they managed to keep the whole matter secret from their Arab allies, Sharif Hussein and his sons”.
But such treaties are designed to suck you into war, and don’t apply if you make peace, apparently.
When an article contains legends like dictator and regime, it immediately belongs in the trash bin. A foreign policy paper is supposed to be a non-based evaluation of events. Unless it is a paper on implementation of someone’s foreign policy which immediately becomes biased. If that policy is to undermine the government of another sovereign country using force it is a Terrorist agenda policy. On par with imperialism to plunder another people for your own gain.
what an interesting part of the world the Bosphorus is…maybe the most interesting….I hope the earth lives to see this part of the world become war-free..and thousands of years from now, think what an amazing part of the world it will become. .its one of the oldest and one of the most spiritual parts of the history of humanity.
an in depth intelligent report, thanks Southfront
video conference on Turkish situation
http://www.anna-news.info/node/49044
“Professionals know that in international politics is no place for chance. That attack on the Russian Su-24 aircraft in the skies over Syria clearly wore a conscious character. Navigator of the Su-24 were rescued, the pilot of the aircraft was lost. Why is the Turkish Air Force shot down the bomber, who was involved in anti-terrorist operations in Syria? Leading experts and trying to find answers to this question in a new edition of Zoom.”
not sure if subtitles
Teorgia getting in the Turkey act
MOSCOW, December 10 /TASS/. The Russian Defense Ministry has denied the Georgian Defense Ministry’s allegations that a Russian combat helicopter had violated the Georgian airspace. “Russian combat helicopters have made no flights over the territory adjacent to the Georgian border over the past 24 hours. It is not surprising that the accusations, which representatives of the Georgian Defense Ministry have made over the past day, did not point, even approximately, to a place where the Georgian airspace had been violated,” Russian Defense Ministry Spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov said on Thursday. “It was only later when the information that the Russian helicopter’s ghost had allegedly appeared near the Mereti-Zardiaantkari village, it turned out that the Georgian Defense Ministry had learnt about it by word of mouth from some local residents who told a policeman about their apparitions,” Konashenkov added.
More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/843122
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MOSCOW, December 11. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered Russian military to destroy any targets that threaten Russian Armed Forces in Syria. “I order to act very tough. Any targets that threaten Russian forces or our infrastructure on the ground should be immediately destroyed,” Putin told a session of the Defense Ministry’s collegium. Gallery 5 photo Pentagon warns Russia against arming its warplanes in Syria with air-to-air missiles The president also warned against “those who will again try to organize any provocations against our servicemen.” “We have already taken additional measures to ensure security of Russian servicemen and air base. It was strengthened by new aviation groups and missile defense systems. Strike aircraft will now carry out operations under cover of fighter jets,” Putin said. Putin said that the Russian military have caused a substantial damage to terrorists in Syria, adding that the actions of the Russian Armed Forces are worthy of praise. “The combined operation of the Aerospace Defence Forces and the Navy, the use of newest high precision weapons systems has caused a serious damage to the terrorist infrastructure, thus qualitatively changing the situation in Syria,” the president said.
More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/843243
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The ISIL Countries have said that they want a Political Solution to Syria, but the term Political Solution in Syria this is Obviously a Euphemism for an attempt by Criminal Anglo-American to sponsor another Anti Human and Anti Democratic and Coup against a Legitimate Democratically Elected Government.
This was Proved by what the the ‘Negotiation’ Method of the Anglo-American and ISIL in Disguise Delegates at the Sham Democracy conference at ISIL’s Real Base, which is ISIL Saudi Arabia.
All that is needed in Syria is what Terrorist Anglo-America, Colonist France, Nazi Germany, ISIL Saudi Arabia, and ISIL Turkey do not like, and that is for All People in this Anglo-American Sponsored and Funded Crimes against Humanity and Genocide to be Honest and Law Abiding, but this goes against Every Fibre of their Evil Beings.
This is Proved Beyond Any Doubt, by the Fact that Terrorist Anglo-America and Colonist France, and Nazi Germany have ISIL Saudi Arabia and ISIL Turkey as their Allies in their Axis of Evil, and these ISIL Countries are the Terrorist Allies and Sponsors and Funders of ISIL in Syria and Iraq.
The Terrorist Delegates who call themselves the Syrian National Coalition at the Mockery of Democracy Conference in ISIL Saudi Arabia Deceptively said that the Democratically Elected President of Syria has 2 choices, and they said that these were to either to leave through what they call negotiations or be forcibly removed from power, and this is the Proposed Political Solution that America’s Secretary of State, Jihadi John Caliphate Kerry said was very constructive, and which is further grounds for filing a Charge of Crimes against Humanity and Genocide against America.
There could be People who think that the American Republicans might bring Charges of Genocide against President Hillary Clinton and Vice President Barack Obama just before the Elections, because Everyone Knows that President Hillary Clinton is the Real President of America, and she sends her Decrees to her Puppet who is Vice President Barack Obama by Secret Emails.
The President of Syria was recently Elected Legitimately and Democratically in a Free and Fair Election, and the Syrian Constitution which is the Supreme Law of Syria says that any Syrian Citizen can stand at Elections, and that Governments can run their full course, and so any calls for the President of Syria to be intimidated leave Public Office or be forced to leave Public Office by violent means is Terrorism.
All Good and Decent People are against Terrorism and Lawlessness, which are Sponsored, and Funded by Terrorist Anglo-America, Colonist France, Nazi Germany, and ISIL Saudi Arabia, and ISIL Turkey against the People of Syria.
After Realizing these Facts, we can see that the ISIL in Disguise Delegates at the Sham conference for Law and Democracy in Syria are Illegitimate, and this is because they are Terrorists.
We can also look at the Lying and Deceitful statements made by the Leading Nazis and Fascists of this World, who are the Dictators of England, America, and France.
Depraved David Caliphate Cameron: said that Russia is Respecting the Sovereignty of Nations, Obeying International Law, and Fighting Terrorism, and this is making the situation worse, and there does not need to any explanation to see the Obvious Defects in the words of Caliphate Cameron.
It is more Subtle with Vice President Barack Obama, because President Hillary Caliphate Clinton is a Lawyer, and she went to University to Learn How To Lie and Misrepresent and to Maliciously Slander, and President Hillary Caliphate Clinton Issues Decrees to Vice President Barack who said that when a dictator slaughters tens of thousands of his own people, that is not just a matter of one nation’s internal affairs.
These are nice sounding words, but they are do Not apply to the President of Syria, because he is Not a dictator, but is he the Legitimate and Democratically Elected President of Syria, and the People who were killed in the the Dictatorial American created civil war in Syria are Terrorists, and of course there are Innocent People killed in wars, but this does not make a Person who fighting Terrorism a dictator, but President Hillary Clinton and Vice President Barack Obama do Not comment on how they have murdered tens of thousands of People in North Africa and the Middle East, because they are Evil Lying Anglo-American Terrorists.
Francois Harem Hollande who was probably coached by President Hillary Caliphate Clinton said you cannot put together Victims and the People who are killing them, and then Francois Harem Hollande adds the Lie that the Legitimate and Democratically Elected President of Syria is at the origin of the problem, and so he cannot be part of the solution.
The Truth of the matter is that the Problem for Hollande is that if ISIL Saudi Arabia and ISIL Turkey are going to Fund him with a better Harem after he leaves Politics, then he will have to be a Lowlife Criminal Sponsor and Funder of Terrorist ISIL, then he will have to be part of the Axis of Evil against the People of Syria, and Terrorist Anglo-America and Colonist France, and Nazi Germany have ISIL Saudi Arabia and ISIL Turkey is the Confirmed Axis of Evil.
There are People who think that Countries should cooperate with the Legitimate Democratically Elected Syrian Government and its Armed Forces who are valiantly fighting terrorism, because this will show that they are against Terrorism, they Respect the Sovereignty of Nations, and they are Committed to International Law.