Iran possible responses:
–Attack Saudi pipelines, water treatment, electrical facilities, oil production facilities. However, if Saudis have S-400, then that may not work, which makes me wonder why Russia sold them to KSA in the first place.
–block Strait of Hormuz, drive oil prices up and crash derivatives markets, send cheap oil based economic and industrial activity into depression.
–attack US ships and bases, shoot down US planes, causing unacceptable damage to US military. They’re used to fighting countries that can’t fight back.
Wasn’t that good. Everyone is still talking on a surface level. They keep saying “an Iran war will be bad for everyone.” Except they forget that the Iraq and Afghan wars were bad for everyone – except the US neocons, the military-industrial complex, the oil companies and the banks who finance them – and Israel, of course.
And those are the same people pushing the Iran war. So why do we assume that these same people will pay any price for an Iran war when they paid zero price for the Iraq and Afghan wars?
Just because the Iran war will be enormously larger than the Iraq and Afghan wars combined doesn’t mean an Iran war won’t start. The US neocons want to feel that they are the “rulers of the world” (or the “Masters of the Universe”, as Pepe Escobar likes to say), so this sort of “big event” is precisely what they want. They’d start a war with Russia or China if they could. And Israel wants the entire Middle East broken up into dysfunctional failed states so it can do what it wants there – and Iran is the number one enemy they want destroyed.
As for Trump and the 2020 elections, it doesn’t matter if Trump is afraid of being blamed for a new Mid-East war. Even if he can’t be led by the nose to start one – and last Thursday shows he can be, even if he backed down shortly before – if a war is started by someone else, he can be led to go along, especially if it means backing Israel, and especially if he thinks he can get a poll bounce in the 2020 elections by backing Israel or attacking “terrorists”, which will play well with his base, Congress, and the rest of the Republicans.
So Crosstalk is still not dealing with all the possibilities that could lead to a decades-long Iran war. I’ve seen this before. People just can’t believe that the situation is as bad as it is and that it can lead to something much worse, so they don’t accept it and start looking for reasons it can’t happen.
Well, it can. And it will. The Iran war is a done deal. It’s just a question of when and how it can be started.
As I’ve said in another post in the latest Nasrallah speech thread, it can easily be started first by Israel starting a new war against Hezbollah in Lebanon in which the US will join Israel, and if that is reasonably successful in degrading Hezbollah, then Israel and the neocons can foment the Iran war after the 2020 elections irregardless of who becomes US President. If Trump is still President, he won’t be worried about the impact on the election or his base then and can be led to start an Iran war. If he isn’t President, the new President can be led to start it – even if it’s Bernie Sanders (Gabbard won’t be nominated.) And certainly Joe “I’m a Zionist” Biden can. So how unlikely is a war with Iran under this scenario?
it is a good Crosstalk – thanks – I’ll pass it on –
Professor Mohammad Marandi War against Iran in Persian gulf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnQ4CR6gHww
Iran possible responses:
–Attack Saudi pipelines, water treatment, electrical facilities, oil production facilities. However, if Saudis have S-400, then that may not work, which makes me wonder why Russia sold them to KSA in the first place.
–block Strait of Hormuz, drive oil prices up and crash derivatives markets, send cheap oil based economic and industrial activity into depression.
–attack US ships and bases, shoot down US planes, causing unacceptable damage to US military. They’re used to fighting countries that can’t fight back.
Wasn’t that good. Everyone is still talking on a surface level. They keep saying “an Iran war will be bad for everyone.” Except they forget that the Iraq and Afghan wars were bad for everyone – except the US neocons, the military-industrial complex, the oil companies and the banks who finance them – and Israel, of course.
And those are the same people pushing the Iran war. So why do we assume that these same people will pay any price for an Iran war when they paid zero price for the Iraq and Afghan wars?
Just because the Iran war will be enormously larger than the Iraq and Afghan wars combined doesn’t mean an Iran war won’t start. The US neocons want to feel that they are the “rulers of the world” (or the “Masters of the Universe”, as Pepe Escobar likes to say), so this sort of “big event” is precisely what they want. They’d start a war with Russia or China if they could. And Israel wants the entire Middle East broken up into dysfunctional failed states so it can do what it wants there – and Iran is the number one enemy they want destroyed.
As for Trump and the 2020 elections, it doesn’t matter if Trump is afraid of being blamed for a new Mid-East war. Even if he can’t be led by the nose to start one – and last Thursday shows he can be, even if he backed down shortly before – if a war is started by someone else, he can be led to go along, especially if it means backing Israel, and especially if he thinks he can get a poll bounce in the 2020 elections by backing Israel or attacking “terrorists”, which will play well with his base, Congress, and the rest of the Republicans.
So Crosstalk is still not dealing with all the possibilities that could lead to a decades-long Iran war. I’ve seen this before. People just can’t believe that the situation is as bad as it is and that it can lead to something much worse, so they don’t accept it and start looking for reasons it can’t happen.
Well, it can. And it will. The Iran war is a done deal. It’s just a question of when and how it can be started.
As I’ve said in another post in the latest Nasrallah speech thread, it can easily be started first by Israel starting a new war against Hezbollah in Lebanon in which the US will join Israel, and if that is reasonably successful in degrading Hezbollah, then Israel and the neocons can foment the Iran war after the 2020 elections irregardless of who becomes US President. If Trump is still President, he won’t be worried about the impact on the election or his base then and can be led to start an Iran war. If he isn’t President, the new President can be led to start it – even if it’s Bernie Sanders (Gabbard won’t be nominated.) And certainly Joe “I’m a Zionist” Biden can. So how unlikely is a war with Iran under this scenario?