Source : http://almanar.com.lb/2688343
Translation: http://sayed7asan.blogspot.fr
Transcript:
[…] Second, (regarding) Israel. Israel does not cease to issue direct threats against Lebanon, (promising) to destroy it all in a next war. There is always someone there who stands up and says, “In the next war, we will not let but ruins behind us, and we will return Lebanon 100 or 200 years ago.”
Before the [Israeli military manoeuvres] Northern Front [in September 2017, the largest in 20 years] and after, while Israel continues its offensive in Syria, claiming to prevent further arms reaching the Resistance (Hezbollah) continues its violations in Lebanese [airspace] in various ways, and works to push the region to war under any pretext.
Today, on the tenth day [of the Islamic month of Muharram, commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussein], I want to send a clear message to Israelis and Jews in Occupied Palestine and (anywhere) in the world. I tell them this: From the beginning, we in the Resistance, have declared that our struggle was against the occupying Zionist aggressors on the land of Palestine and our Arab land, not against Jews as followers of a heavenly religion (recognized by Islam) or as a people of the Book [Torah].
It is the Zionist movement that exploited Judaism and Jews to carry a colonialist occupation project in Palestine and the region, serving the British a hundred years ago, and later at the service of US policies.
The Jews who were brought from all over the world must know that they are only cannon fodder in a British Western colonialist war against the Arab and Islamic peoples in this region. And today they are the fuel for projects and US policies that target people of the region.
And when our peoples defend their lives, their land and honor in the face of Zionist gangs, they are unjustly accused of anti-Semitism. This accusation is found in every corner of the world.
Today I say to Jewish scholars, their eminent personalities, their thinkers: Those who brought you from all over the world to Palestine for their own interests are ultimately working to your destruction. You must know it, because it is written in your religious books.
The current Israeli government led by Netanyahu is leading your people to annihilation and destruction. For he makes only plans for war, and only searches war.
He has worked in the past to prevent the signing of the nuclear deal with Iran, and he failed. He is currently working with Trump to tear this agreement and to push the region to a new war. If Trump and Netanyahu push the region to a new war, this will be at your expense [Israelis], and it is you who will pay a very high price for the stupid policies of the head of your government.
And Netanyahu is also pushing the region towards war against Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and the movements of the Resistance, under misleading titles and defensive excuses, a preventive war as he claims.
And here, I hope all Israelis will listen carefully to what I say: Netanyahu, his government and military officials did not correctly evalutate the magnitude this war will reach if they succeed to light its fires. What will be its extent, what will be its territory, who will participate on it, who will enter it… Netanyahu, his government and military officials do not know how this war will end if they start it.
And I also confirm that they do not have an accurate picture of what awaits them if they undertake such a stupid act as this war. They have no clarity (vision), nor accurate assessment, nor just image. If they kindle the fire of the coming war, (they have no idea) how far it will reach, how extended will be her embrace, and who will participate.
That’s why I now call first all Jews except the Zionists to detach their considerations from Zionist calculations who lead themselves to their final destruction. And I call on all those who came in occupied Palestine believing the promises that they would find the land of milk and honey to leave. I call them to leave Palestine and go back to the countries from which they came so that they don’t become mere fuel in any war where would lead them the stupid Netanyahu government.
For if Netanyahu launched a war in this region, there may be no more time for them to leave Palestine, and there will be no safe place for them in occupied Palestine.
[Audience chants: At Thy service, ô Nasrallah]
The enemy government must know that times have changed, as he must know that those with whom he hopes an alliance will be a burden for them because they need to be to defended themselves (and can not help anyone).
And the scale of the massacres committed by Israel against the Palestinian people and the peoples of the region, its partnership with Daesh and its open complicity in the project of partition of our region through its open and eager support to the secession of Kurdistan, all this will push the people of the region to render a capital verdict against them.
I conclude by saying to the Israelis, the Israeli people base of this usurper entity: you know that what your political and military leaders say about Israel’s ability to win a victory in any future war is largely composed of lies and illusions. What has been told you is largely made up of lies and illusions.
And you know the extent of the flaws and loopholes that exist (in your army and your society). And that’s why you must not allow stupid and arrogant leaders to lead you into an adventure in which there will be perhaps the end of all things and all that entity. […]
May G-d bless Hassan Nasrallah
Amen!
“…an adventure in which there will be perhaps the end of all things and all that entity.”
Sayed Nasrallah does not lie. Hezbollah could do it. The time is coming, and people sense this now.
I have a suspicion that Israel’s nuclear weapons would never leave that land, for surely the battle planners have considered this.
And then the choice for the US would be simply: whether to come to Israel to die, or to stay home.
Grieved,
The Israelis are packed full of chutzpah and arrogance but the IDF has no intention of taking on Hezbollah with Iran and Syria and PMU just close enough to utterly damage the myths and delusions of Tel Aviv.
Israel would absolutely have US at their side (in the air and along the Mediterranean) if they went to war against Lebanon-Syria. They would have no chance otherwise.
And then, there is Russia at Latakia and Taurus. Would that be enough to further stall any Israeli attack?
Just look at the defense umbrella of the S-400s at Latakia. They would prevent close air support of IDF on the ground. Thus, the US would have to take out the Russia missile defense systems. That is not going to happen.
So Israel is at a military impasse. Little David is unable to be the aggressor. Only if the US decides to start a world war scale conflagration would there be a chance for an Israeli
gain in such a war.
And what would be the 2nd hour of such an attack on Russian defenses in Syria?
The US base in Qatar and Incirlik in Turkey would be reduced to rubble.
Escalation is the normal course of any “military strike”.
Naval ships would sink in Tartus, the Black Sea, the Mediterranean.
Basically, WW3.
Hezbollah would rain down 100,000 rockets on Israel, overwhelm their Iron Dome defenses and burn cities to the ground.
Wars are made of knowns the first hours and then unknowns thereafter. The knowns are bad for Israel. The unknowns are likely much worse.
The Israelis have no good outcome from the war they seek.
Secretly, what they wish for and conspire to get is a war fought for them. But there is nothing in it for the US. The American military is running out of proxies and they do not want to try on the ME in a grand war.
The big hegemon and the little hegemon are no longer. “Syria” has changed everything.
Thanks to USA, Obama and now Trump the victory is in sight!
I have some conjecture to input.
Let me begin by commenting with a guess: Israel currently has way more than 400 nuclear warheads, or whatever similar estimates are proferred on their arsenal. They may have ~400 strategic warheads. However, the Israeli defense establishment would be negligent if they haven’t been developing a significant, usable tactical nuclear arsenal, along with viable, survivable delivery systems. Israel has world class nuclear science establishment and therefore is well positioned to produce the tailored micro-yield devices with reduced fallout that are claimed (I don’t have independent knowledge on veracity of these claims) widely to be in existence in Tier-1 arsenals.
So what ? Well, the conventional threat faced by Israel from Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, and possibly Turkey is currently becoming epic. The Syrian/Hezbollah axis is well understood, but Egypt has been overlooked in the public analysis as a threat vector. Last week an Egypt bound North Korean freighter stopped with a hidden cache 300,000 RPGs. Egypt has been procuring significant numbers of KA-52 attack helos from Russia. Egypt has not been friendly with the PNAC bois since Morsi and the Brotherhood had their party a few years back. Are they preparing for a war ? I suspect so. Given the disposition the surrounding forces it’s reasonable to claim that the conventional threat to Israel is higher now than it has ever been.
Without an ample arsenal of tailored tactical nukes, I don’t see Israel prevailing in a meaningful way in the event of an all-out strike emanating from the combination of Iran (recall Iran is now connected by land with Israel via Shia controlled regions of Iraq), Syria, Hezbollah, Egypt, & possibly even Turkey. Maybe a few thousand warheads in the sub-kiloton upto 3-4 kiloton range, mounted on short-range missiles, ground launched and air-launched.
USA is no longer a reliable ally, simply because USA is in meltdown mode, and while CENTCOM could help some, they don’t have the disposition or motivation to carry out the massive and timely strikes needed for Israel to survive the postulated onslaught, probably just make a mess of things.
The most significant wild-card here is Russia, which now holds the power of life and death over Israel. The question becomes one of motivation and interests of the Kremlin–broadly speaking, which I consider as a deeper and more profound entity than any one man.
Wild-guess, Kremlin does not want to see Israel destroyed; indeed, it is in their long-term interests that the Ummah is kept in check by Israeli state, and if possible, Kurdish state. They support Armenia for similar reasons. Strategic adversaries are Turkey, the Islamic world in general. For the Kremlin, alliance with Iran (also Turkey) must be interpreted in light of the priority and urgency of destroying PNAC, which is currently an existential threat. In the long run, though, a resurgent Persian/Turkish axis, a resurgent Ummah becomes the main existential threat along the southern flank. These are long-term, strategic adversaries, held together by the proximate existential threat of PNAC. If they are looking ahead (why wouldn’t they) 50 – 100 years, the existence of non-Islamic Israel, Kurdistan, Armenia, etc becomes crucial. However, possibly overshadowing these considerations are the breathtaking extent to which global Jewish interests have antagonised –become predatory towards– Russia, Russians, and Russian interests, in recent decades, and particular recent years, from a myriad of vectors. This is not to be overlooked, and the fallout from this could well be fatal to Israel. However, I imagine (and hope) that there will be some mending of relations proximately. The ~ million Russian Israelis who maintain allegiance to Russian culture and civilisational patterns are in a position to assist this process.
I would conclude that overall as Russia seeks to be a stabilising influence in the region they will endeavor to nix any preparations for such an obverse strike; indeed this is consistent with their allowance of Israeli strikes on Hezbollah targets in Syria, the cause of much teeth-gnashing in anti-Zionist circles — what is presented as spineless acquiescence to Zionist imperatives I would argue is simply long-term self-interest calculations by the Kremlin. It is simply not in their interest for Israel to be destroyed.
Iran will be realistic and see this, therefore play for the long game, which is military containment, along with subversion, sabotage, infomation-war, etc. They recently called for a 25 year timeline on the destruction of Israel. Interesting. So while I wouldn’t rule out the threat of a major hot war, and have outlined above partially how Israel would have to prepare for it, but think it probably won’t happen, because Russia will prevent it.
As postscript I will comment to defer comment on the whole subject of Zionism, Nasrallah, ethics, religion and all of that. Worthy subject, but I must return to work for now, hopefully I can publically comment on this stuff in the near future. This post just addressing the brass tack stuff.
The count for Israel is 350 warheads, most of that is small tactical stuff.
As for a massive attack against Israel, this is mostly a product of Israel’s propaganda.
Who thinks a land war or rocket attack or missile attack would not bring back upon the source a massive response including tactical nukes?
Thus, Iran and Hezbollah talk of wiping out the IDF and state of Israel, but this is B.S. dog whistle stuff for home consumption.
The reality is Israel always strikes first, using propaganda or false flag.
The 1973 war is the lone exception.
Thus, Israel is not going to be attacked by an Iranian-led army.
As for Egypt, al Sisi is canoeing between Russia and the US-coalition of Arabs+Israel. He wants Russia on the ground to assist against AQ, ISIS and MB forces.
But he still needs economic help from Arabs and military help from US and Israel.
He knows that his future is with Russia and China and Eurasia. Just as Turkey now sees that market as the real future.
We may be at a soon post-Bibi Israel. Corruption prosecutors are biting at his wife and at him. His coalition may break under that legal pressure.
The entire region of MENA is now predominantly in the grasp of Russian geopolitical influence and power. Diplomacy, military and gas and oil leverage is all Russian.
The king of Saudi Arabia has gone to Moscow to try to shape a new future. Everyone goes to Moscow who wants a future. The shift of hegemony has begun. Putin is taking the Middle East, is being invited by Egypt and Libya and others like Algeria to help rid themselves of ISIS, AQ and MB evils.
Israel knows that the US is sliding away and Putin is there permanently, the new boss.
They will adapt or make the kind of mistakes that cripple them for decades. If their arrogance gains the upper hand over common sense, 2006 will be seen as a very mild outcome compared to the disaster they will have started for themselves. Their nukes are useless. Just who thinks any nation, even the psycho-Tel Aviv regime, can use nukes and not suffer utter devastation in response?
When the time comes, and I think it will be several years down the line, Israel will be invaded and utterly destroyed as foretold by Jesus Himself in Mt 24, Lu 21, and elsewhere. Nothing to do with racism, just justice and righteous judgment for her cupful of evil. Christ’s own warning, “When you see armies amassing around Judea know that it’s about to be utterly destroyed.”
I’ll guess this.
Supposedly about a week ago, long after this exercise, israhell did claim to have started evacuating totally 2 large towns somewhere on their borders, in the northeast one I think bordering with syria, the other lebanon.
October 6 is only 2 days away.
The last time the IDF held a drill this large was in 1998, in preparation for an attack from Syria. The 2017 drills will also involve one scenario in which the Israeli military has to deal with multiple terror attacks while at the same time Hezbollah stages an attack in the Golan Heights. The Israeli army will also be practicing for the evacuation of Israeli towns along the border in preparation for heavy missile attacks.
Source: http://au.pressfrom.com/news/world/-36331-israel-prepares-for-another-war-in-lebanon/
au.pressfrom.com/news/world/-36331-israel-prepares-for-another-war-in-lebanon/
It took 25 years for me to realize in 1980’s that Israel is just aircraft carrier of USA in Mediterranean.
Hah! I came to same conclusion.
Sorry to diasagree.
This concept of ‘nations’ is somewhat antiquated, given the nature of the banking system.
You have the bucks? you can be anywhere else on the planet within hours. No TSA.
Today’s nations are no more than fenced in cattle (taxpayers) to fund maoney master’s exploits.
How many Jews today are aware that secular US Zionists and elite Jews; Chabad Pharisees, supported Hitler’s genocide of religious Jews who didn’t acknowledge the superiority of the Pharisees’ Babylonian Talmud and Zohar above God and the Jewish bible? Hitler’s Holocaust was funded by the US
A timely, eloquent and ominous reminder that the Arab resistance is not motivated by hatred for Jews.
Heed the warning, oh children of Israel, heed the warning.
You could put this man’ s transcript on the front page of the NY Times and many Americans will still read it as a screed against Jews in general…
:-(
When GOG assumed the name Israel, they also accepted the citizenship, duty, blessings and curses that go with it. Where are their good fruits? How have they blessed mankind?
Without the required good fruit, Christ promises GOG’s Israel – Jerusalem – Ariel, to “become as fine dust” “instantly” and “suddenly,” accompanied “ with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.” (Isaiah 29:5,6)
“They said. We are impoverished and return to build the desolate places. Christ says, They build but I throw down and call them people against whom the Lord hath indignation forever.” (Malachi 1:1-5)
The language used! First, the Russians not speaking in diplomatic language, now Hassan Nasrallah! I have never read any leader use such direct language. Who will be next? Will it have a snowball effect? Is diplomacy dead? We are heading for very unstable times and yet, three quarters (if not more) of the world (especially in North America) are not aware of anything. God help us all!
@Alexandra: “I have never read any leader use such direct language.” Then you must be living (let me guess) in “The West”, where dirty deeds are cloaked in fair words spread by a corrupt MSM: words such as “freedom”, “liberal intervention” and “the right to protect”. Where stupid, greedy leaders nurture dreams of omnipotence in a silly sheeple by raping little nations. Where NATZO boasts, after the rape and dismemberment of Serbia (force ratio 100 to 1), “No one can resist our armed might”. No wonder intelligent leaders such as Rev.Nasr’Allah, Dr.Assad and Pres.Putin look at us in frank bewilderment and ask, “How can I get through to you? Do you realize what you have done?” Unlike the false foxes who mislead our Western sheeple, these three true leaders – Nasr’Allah, Assad and Putin – see things as they are, tell it as it is, and have the courage to do what needs to be done.
Dr. Maroudas, yes I live in the West (Canada to be precise, however I do not read, or very little, the MSM. I am quite aware what the “West” is doing all over the world. My comment was about the fact that Russia has finally dropped the diplomatic language when dealing with the Americans. As The Saker has mentioned in quite a few of his posts, Russians have always been very particular in their choice of words but recently they show quite obviously they have reached the end of their patience. We see Maduro in Venezuela also using very undiplomatic language towards the US administration, Nasrallah very directly speaking of the Zionist plot – something that never, or very seldom, happens in world politics. I suspect that more and more leaders will be calling a spade by its rightful name.
Alexandra, what you are referring to is not diplomatic language, platitudes, hypocrisy and lies have never been “diplomatic language”.
True diplomatic language can be strong, and can have harsh criticism, without the use of threats unlike the “diplomatic language” of the USA and cronies.
No politically-correct weasel-words here. Hassan is shooting straight as a die. Well, they have been warned!
Hassan Nasrallah stating the obvious.
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> The count for Israel is 350 warheads, most of that is small tactical stuff.
Whose count is that ? I would suggest it’s a bit small, but I am pure amateur. 200 strategic and a few thousand tacticals sounds reasonable. It’s not an issue of overkill. The need is for custom tailored effects to take out what in many cases will be relatively insignificant (principle of dispersion) targets. Hardened bunkers, as opposed to a mechanised brigade on the march through the Golan; the latter formations would be hit long before they got there, if it came to that. Each strike should be quite small, but in worst case scenario there would need to be a lot of them, because dispersed target profile, operational friction/fog, etc.
> As for a massive attack against Israel, this is mostly a product of Israel’s propaganda.
The public endgame for Hamas and the Irainian leadership does not include an existent Israel. If I take their public statements as faithfully reported. As mentioned previously, last week Irainian official statements spoke of Israel not existing in 25 years time, which I interpreted as alluding to a long-cold-war, featuring containment, isolation, all the 4th and 5th generation techniques. Kinetic strikes cannot be ruled out either; it’s a bit of a strawman to think I’m suggesting Iran would try to set up a 1960s style mechanised blitz.
> Who thinks a land war or rocket attack or missile attack would not bring back upon the source a massive response including tactical nukes?
There is a circularity to the contention here.
A survivable mid-range rocket arsenal in Lebanon gives deterrence / leverage to the Iranian vis-a-vis the Israelis.
If it’s of sufficient number it could overwhelm by cost alone any prospective missile based anti-missile system.
Depending on payload, targets hit, and volume of the strikes it could be comparitively destructive as a nuclear strike on civilian targets.
This would entail a MAD situation; a bit worse really from the Israel point of view, because Hezbollah is a semi-stateless proxy, and it’s on the border-fence, while Iran is far away.
The calculus gets worse from the Israeli pov: what if Iran in 10 years time advances missile tech and starts moving advanced stuff into Lebanon ? Consider it as analogous the situation with U.S. THAAD/ABM/Tomahawk(?) on SinoRussian borders.
If Russia can reasonably fear first-strike potential from advanced missile tech hundreds of km away, should Israel not fear first-strike potential from advanced missile tech tens of km away ?
It’s meaningless to assert that Iran doesn’t have such missile tech, Israeli war planners are not in a position to assume this as some kind of given, stretching into the future.
I hope I am not engaging in racist caricature to suggest that Iranian leadership is conceivably just as cavalier with the potential of population losses as are the PNAC crazies. Planners must assume the worst. Deterrence is not an exact science.
>Thus, Iran and Hezbollah talk of wiping out the IDF and state of Israel, but this is B.S. dog whistle stuff for home consumption.
To clarify, Iran and Hezbollah dog-whistle stuff for Lebanese and Iranian home consumption ? If a man is training his dog to murder to murder a neighbor, it cannot be overlooked just because said neighbor is well armed. It’s a direct threat. Again, just because Russia has a massive nuclear arsenal doesn’t mean she cannot take seriously 1st-strike preparations by a PNAC owned U.S. MIC, along with the entire spectrum of 4th gen warfare vectors on various flanks. Threats are threats, credible in the sum and product of their constituent parts.
>The reality is Israel always strikes first, using propaganda or false flag.
The 1973 war is the lone exception.
Rival tomcats pysch-attack interminably, playing with time, until, faster than a snake, one strikes, or really, both do. One may be more or less caught off guard; but really, Is that a surprise attack ? I think this characterises 48, 67, 73, et cetera, it’s not so important where the first live fire actually happened. If indeed 1973 is the lone exception, it’s a pretty big exception. A loss in that war implied a massacre of the civilian population and complete destruction of Israel. Leaving aside all the rhetoric, for war-planners that is no small thing.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” I would suggest some self-reflection here. No doubt there is ridiculous and one-sided rhetoric emanating from the faux-zionist faux-western media sphere; what does it benefit you to adopt a symmetrically ridiculous position: e.g. “The reality is Israel always strikes first, using propaganda or false flag.”, which you proceed contradict in the very next line. If there is a “lone exception”, there can’t be some kind of transcendental feature of “reality” such that the Israelis always strike first. I see similar racist stereotypes emanating from all corners. It’s beneath you. The reality is it’s always been a dangerous neighborhood down here in MENA. The tomcat metaphor is apropos as I could manage.
> Thus, Israel is not going to be attacked by an Iranian-led army.
If the straw-man is a simplistic vision of 1960s style mechanised blitz, then of course I agree. I don’t think that characterises the military threat however. See above regarding potential missile placements in Lebanon, and reflect on SinoRussian concerns of similar nature, for emplacements _much further away_.
> As for Egypt, al Sisi is canoeing between Russia and the US-coalition of Arabs+Israel. He wants Russia on the ground to assist against AQ, ISIS and MB forces.
Yes, this is a plausible explanation for the KA-52s, and the amphibious ship would facilitate distance stabilisation operations along the North African coast, in particular Libya. However, KA-52s are also a Tier-1 combined arms node, with enormous utility in a prospective armored/mechanised conflict. What’s with the NK ship full of “RPGs” ? War planners must assess capabilities, assuming the worst as far as intentions go. There is also a history here.
> But he [SISI] still needs economic help from Arabs and military help from US and Israel.
He knows that his future is with Russia and China and Eurasia. Just as Turkey now sees that market as the real future.
Reasonably.
>We may be at a soon post-Bibi Israel. Corruption prosecutors are biting at his wife and at him. His coalition may break under that legal pressure.
I do not pretend to understand Israeli domestic politics. I assume it’s Kabuki of no real significance, for what it’s worth.
>The entire region of MENA is now predominantly in the grasp of Russian geopolitical influence and power. Diplomacy, military and gas and oil leverage is all Russian.
Agreed, MENA is a Russian sandbox now, is how I put it.
> The king of Saudi Arabia has gone to Moscow to try to shape a new future. Everyone goes to Moscow who wants a future. The shift of hegemony has begun. Putin is taking the Middle East, is being invited by Egypt and Libya and others like Algeria to help rid themselves of ISIS, AQ and MB evils.
Indeed, I was blown away to find out the Saudi S-400 deal last night. Saud is trying to escape from the clutches of the Kissinger/PNAC mob.
> Israel knows that the US is sliding away and Putin is there permanently, the new boss.
Why focus on Putin ? Why refer to him a “the boss” ? So puerile, and the imagery couldn’t possibly be considered helpful, to Russia, to be perceived as a mafia ruled by a strongman. I reject this on behalf of the Russians, if I could be so presumptuous for just a moment. The underlying point is valid, and I made it in my prior post. USA is in meltdown mode, Russia is developing a commanding situation over MENA. I even said Russia has the power of life and death over Israel. I don’t think the last point is so much of an exaggeration. Fundamentally, I agree with you here, but if I may criticise your florid rhetoric, I hope you will interpret it in good faith, as constructive.
> They will adapt or make the kind of mistakes that cripple them for decades. If their arrogance gains the upper hand over common sense, 2006 will be seen as a very mild outcome compared to the disaster they will have started for themselves. Their nukes are useless. Just who thinks any nation, even the psycho-Tel Aviv regime, can use nukes and not suffer utter devastation in response ?
Some elaboration on the assertion would be beneficial here. I detect an exasperated slide into fiery rhetoric a la: “the enemy will be utterly devastated by our righteous sword!!!!” (thunderous applause)
Also, notice you contradict yourself. Above you allude to Israel’s nukes as being an effective deterrence against massed strike, but here you say: “Their nukes are useless.” Are Russia’s ‘nukes’ useless ? Would (adopting symmetrically your rhetoric) “the psycho Moscow regime” think that it can use nukes and not suffer utter devastation in response ? If I turn it around like that are you capable of seeing how it might be considered shallow and insulting ? Not to mention utterly devoid of rational appraisal of the very real military dynamics in play ?
I can understand and sympathise with the frustration so many feel about negative developments in the Western world, that the Jewish community as manifested in media, finance, and power-politics has had significant negative influence on events. (For but one example, that Israel / PNAC-USA has fostered Daesh is a stain on their honor that will not dissipate any time soon. Yet, still, Israelis are complex people, not simple devils. Much as Germany committed many atrocities in the 40s, yet Germany is a complex and in many respects a beautiful nation.) Yet on this site, and others similar I detect a kind of mania to reduce the Israelis to cartoonish devils in a Manichean drama. It’s the most absurd, vulgar, roccoco kind of theatrics, and it does no credit to this site or the others. I don’t think it’s “anti-semitism”. It’s just a kind of group-think, legacy dynamics, fallout from propaganda wars past and present.
I would urge you to attempt some exercises in regaining objectivity. Maybe transpose the geopolitical situation in MENA to a sci-fi planet far away, without all of the memetic baggage.
Israel is a very small country, surrounded by significantly hostile populations, industrial, demographically aggressive societies, and faces significant, modern, hybrid, military threats.
I assert again that addressing those threats successfully would necessarily _include_ reduced-fallout, micro-yield, 21st century tactical nuclear arsenal, in precisely the same ethical sense that Russia asserts the right to first-use tactical strike in the event of a NATO attack on her homeland, with the added urgency manifested by the total lack of strategic depth in Israel.
Realistically, in the same sense that the threat to Russia is only ~10% kinetic, and 90% economic, informational, etc, I assert that a competent, holistic, address to Israel’s security challenges vis-a-vis her regional adversaries would necessarily be layered in economic, social, diplomatic, etc efforts towards the region, and the globe as a whole. This does not eliminate the kinetic element, just contexualises it, gives a sense of proportion.
I do not know if Israeli society is equal to the challenge. Less problematic than Israelis proper are the PNAC culture of American and generally Western orthodox / business Jewish world. The arrogance you refer (and the hostility to Russia I referred to) to is less Israeli proper and more from that diaspora world. The chauvinism and magical/messianic thinking in Israel is originating more from that community than Israel proper.
I’ll cut this off without any proper summary; spent way more time than I would have liked already.
Thank you for the feedback, and thank you to the entire Saker community for the invaluable discussion you bring to an increasingly chaotic world.
” Yet, still, Israelis are complex people, not simple devils ”
Ah yes those complex people who are closed mouthed on the turning of ” their ” religion
into a victimhood-persecution cult ..
” Israel is a very small country, surrounded by significantly hostile populations, industrial, demographically aggressive societies, and faces significant, modern, hybrid, military threats. ”
That’s what you get when you believe in skydaddy entitlements..
Touché. His extensively erudite reasoning failed to cover for this underlying fallacy.
Good reply bardilas.
Mostly I think you are correct except on a few points. Israel does not have the material needed to build more than 150 strategic nuclear warheads, I use this number because of the difficulty in acquiring material even for very well developed nuclear powers, so I doubt they have the material to even come close to what China has, it is all just hype in my opinion, they like to lie about their capabilities, thinking no one will dare call their bluff.
I also note an error on your vies regarding the “Jewish” issue, many people do, so I refer to them as Talmudists not Jews. The Diaspora “Jews” is full of this Talmudic and tribal people, that do behave like devils from both sides of the isle giving the impression that they are not united in a common goal until you pay attention to the outcomes then you realise that they still behave like a tribe and is organised, the rest is Kabuki, although there are some Talmudic groups from Ukraine region that want not Israel but to return to their homeland, as this people were also forced in to diaspora, on this you may find some disagreement among Talmudists, but it is just a secondary goal, both groups in the end share rteh same goal of hegemony and control.
I wonder why at Jewish gatherings in USA, they begin by signing the Israeli National Anthem?
This was confirmed at http://www.unz.com/ in the following thread:
http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-i-got-fired/#comments
as long that jewish cancer exsist, there won’t be peace in the ME or EU and the whole world. Nutandyahu must go now.
God sped.