In my post this morning I failed to realize how many new readers there are on this blog, so I did not repeat things which I had sad many times in the early years of this blog. Your comments and questions made me realize that I needed to clarify my view of the US political system.
First – I see the USA as run by a tiny elite which is good at “pretend democracy” but which makes darn sure that the people vote the “correct” way. I consider the primaries, conventions, caucuses,and elections themselves as a mix between a farce, a form of entertainment, a re-legitimization of a system and a secular liturgical act (a form of public self-worship). There is no “democracy” in the US and there probably never was. However, if the regime does not change, the specific clans within the 1% do fight each other and struggle for control of the regime.
Second, there are different clans, interest groups, factions who fight *within* the top 1% and they can, and do, make use of the electoral process not as a means of popular expression, but as a way to impose their agenda and interests. I often speak of the “old Anglo guard” (best represented by the Bush clan before Dubya) and the “Neocons”, but there are many more interest group (oil, banking, military, drug warriors, big pharma, etc.) who all participate in the internal struggle for power.
Thus, there is no real difference between the Republicrats and the Demoblicans, they are all part of the same elite, but there are differences between different political figures who are more, or less, aligned with any specific interest group. Thus Greenwald is correct when he identifies the various groups who would support a Hillary Presidency. This has nothing to do with democracy, the political parties or even her own views and everything to do with which interest groups she sold out to.
Even in the course of a single presidency, these groups can struggle with each other and trigger a change in policies. Initially, the election of Obama was a victory of the old Anglo guard and a defeat of the Neocons who then came right back in through the back door and ended up re-taking control.
[sidebar: I got two college degrees in the USA between 1986 and 1991 and at the time I was pretty close to several conservative think tanks in Washington DC. I saw with my own eyes how the agents of the Israel lobby, which before that had been aligned with the supposedly “liberal” Democratic party, suddenly realized that the Republicans were a much better host, and how they then began to take control of the previously paleo-conservative think tanks and turned them into Neocon mouthpieces. It was quite amazing. First, they funded them. Then, they influenced the nominations of senior officers and finally, they took them under complete ideological control. The case study of that kind of “subversion and acquisition” of an Anglo paleo-conservative think tank by Zionist interest groups is what happened to the Ethics & Public Policy Center, but there are many many more].
The US elites agree on most goals (world domination, wealth, economic feudalism, etc.) but they can, and do, disagree on methods and priorities. The Israel lobby wanted a war with Iran. The old Anglo guard did not. The latter prevailed. As long as their interests coincide, they act as one. But as soon as there is a real danger or a real threat – they begin to “pull” the agenda over to their own interests.
Whether it will (Hillary) Clinton vs (Jeb) Bush again or not, whoever wins the presidency will have to continue to preside over the gradual erosion of the US imperial power and thus will have to decide whether the use of force (or threat of use, which is, in many ways, almost the same thing) against Russia can, if not reverse, then at least slow down that process. At this point whether the US goes to war or not will depend on both the of correlation of the various interest groups inside the 1%ers and on the collective personality (President + advisors) who will be sitting in the White House.
This is the moment when having a generally mentally sane Jeb Bush (and his staff) might be better than a clearly rabid Hillary (and her staff). This has nothing to do with being “better” or “liberal or conservative” because on all these levels there are not meaningful differences between the Left/Liberal/Democratic side and the Right/Conservative/Republican side: they are all equally for sale, they all represent a pseudo-democracy of “one dollar one vote”, they all are a government “by the billionaires for the billionaires” and none of them gives a damn the 99% of the planet or even the 99% of the American people.
As for Rand Paul, his function is the same as of Dennis Kucinich: get more votes into their respective parties. Besides, unlike Kucinich, and even very much unlike his father Ron, Rand Paul is a puppet in the hands of the Israel Lobby.
Right now, there is nobody out there representing the interests of the vast majority of the people of the USA. No “American Putin”. This is both scary and very sad.
Anyway, these are my 2cts on this depressing issue.
Cheers,
The Saker
PS: as always, David Rovics put it best:’
As I listened all I could think was Willy Wonka, Warlord.
This man is completely out of his depth, I don’t think he will last another 6 months.
This is the moment when having a generally mentally sane Jeb Bush (and his staff) might be better than a clearly rabid Hillary (and her staff).
With due respect, Saker, I feel disposed to re-iterate what I had to say in response to your blog post The beginning of a realization in the US elites? written back in August. Western imperialism’s imbecility and depravity in times of terminal prolapse have taken such a toll on Western bourgeois society that evilness and insanity aren’t optional but absolutely intrinsic to it. Rape, theft, and murder are the hall-marks of the West.
In light of the above, let it be known that the US Settler Reich set the template for Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel alike. Indeed, I’ll apologise for possibly being somewhat “impolite” here but the US populace is rabidly National Socialist, absolutely incapable of any consideration/compassion for other countries and peoples. Their sense of entitlement to the planet’s combined labour output and natural resources speaks for itself. Ergo: Russia’s fifth column especially is below contempt.
Il Discobolo
The United Kingdom media regulator Ofcom has(ridiculously)threatened RT with sanctions (istead to look on its own BBC) for lack of objectivity!
Do they “complain” that “RT brings the Russian view on global news”?
Just add two words: “RT finally brings also also Russian view on global news”
As it is said in ROME, let them be “contenti e cojonati”
A Dynasty of 2 families and
It’s a one party system-one coin – owned by the same group; so “heads you lose” or “tails you lose.”
same as putting your selection in the Suggestion Box.
Hillary has too much baggage to climb the steps to The Hill. She will not be able to distance herself from Obama, ObamaCare, or failure of U.S. foreign policy. Yes, she was there.
ObamaCare looms large in 2016. 2015 lays the table for unaffordable premiums.
This apparently is the source of the IS videos https://www.siteintelgroup.com/ ??????
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/760417
BRUSSELS, November 18. /TASS/. The European Union and NATO members are trying to persuade France to stop the delivery of Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, Poland’s Deputy Prime Minister and the head of Defense Department Tomasz Siemoniak said Tuesday. He was at the scheduled meeting of the EU defense ministers.
Meanwhile in Prague.
This was NOT a spontaneous event. It was organized by various individuals and pressure groups, mostly associated with and/or funded by the US embassy in Prague, and also related to the unsuccessful presidential candidate Schwarzenberg (who is a well known supporter of the US foreign policy, a personal friend of M. Albright and a guest of Bilderberg meetings; you might remember him from last December, when he paid a visit to Maidan to support the “protesters”).
“Red cards” distributed to the crowd were professionally made and handed out by appointed individuals, some of whom were English speakers. There was a bunch of plain-clothes “bodyguards” present to prevent people from stopping the red card distribution and interacting with red card distributors.
Some people in the crowd were carrying bilingual (or even English-only) picket signs, which is strange considering that Czechs aren’t exactly the biggest fans of foreign languages. Quite a lot of them were professionally made copies of a Ronald Reagan portrait.
Once again, this was not a spontaneous event. They are attempting to pull a “colour revolution” on us.
Sorry for the off-topic, I’m not entirely sure where to post this so it doesn’t get overlooked and forgotten.
Here’s a video and some photos in our mainstream news website (in Czech). They will NOT, however, show you this photo of “red card” distribution. Note the tent distributing the “red cards” (to the right).
this was publicly peddled by cheryl harper one of her psycophants a few years ago, i kid u not.
any image search like bing will find many more.
http://www.projectsgallery.com/Shows/obamarama/Harper_HillarySphinx2.jpg
Until recently, the only real democracy left was in elections for local offices such as city council, county board and school board. And even there the oligarchs are starting to take over, now that they are able to bribe with unlimited secret money. In terms of bang-for-the-buck, buying a Mayor or a city council is very cheap.
At the age of 64 I don’t expect to live long enough to see this turn around, although I do believe that I will witness the implosion, unfortunately.
I’m hoping for a Clinton vs. Bush race. Who wins will at most make a difference in minor details, but the race would perfectly illustrate the utter failure of the system. If this is indeed the choice presented to us it will also illustrate the foolishness of the elites and their contempt for the masses.
It would forever shatter the illusion, which is not to the advantage of any of the elite factions. Will the desire to win power drive them to make this error anyway? I’m betting it will.
Right now, there is nobody out there representing the interests of the vast majority of the people of the USA. No “American Putin”.
Since JFK, if then, has there been any US President who represented the interests of the vast majority of the people? It was as long ago as 1965 when Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton’s university history mentor, stated quite baldly that the US is a plutocracy (Tragedy and Hope).
What’s interesting is in what way does Putin’s position differ from that of a US President. Both have oligarchs to contend with. Why, if at all, is Putin better able to stand up to the money power? And why does he want to?
Previous leaders, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, for example, seemed to be on side with the new world order, globalization and the dismantling of the sovereign Russian state. In what way is Putin different and how likely is it that that difference will be reflected in the Russian leadership when Putin falls or retires?
A major article examining Putin’s internal position/dynamics and a little different slant on the historical background vis a vis US/EU. Worth your time; it’s by Prof James Petras.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185870.html
What the hell is all this talk about democracy? The US was never intended to be one, ever.
The concept was an anathema to the founders. The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. The answer was provided immediately. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.” (Benjamin Franklin)
Democracies are inherantly dangerous, the US has become a “Diebolt Democracy’ It was probably Wilson’s advisor Mendal House who correctly figured out how to ‘game’ an election (IIRC it was Quiggley who spelled out the details).
I dont have any solutions, I want to get away from this insanity before the Left/Right Dem/Rep Lib/Con patriots get their marching orders to start the killings. Be glad you have a foreign passport as I think US passport holders are going to be reviled even more than now.
Democracy! WTF?
BTW, nice vid of Russian homophobia.
‘meanwhile in prague’
I agree with the previous commenter about the demo in Prague. The english language signs were professionally produced and featured US demons with red lines across them. as in Fidel Castro, Nicolas Maduro, Che Guevara, while on the back were Thatcher etc. with ‘thank you’ in english. I don’t think these were relevent to the supposed idea of the demo except to underline that President Zeman is not following the USEUNATO line, and therefore must be undermined. There were also Ukrainian flags, so Zeman’s invitation to Putin to visit Prague will ruffle the same feathers.
On the back of red card was image of witch thatcher._ that tellsyou that it was england sponsored rathe than ameri an o e destabilisation crowd.
high time to destabilise and break england into stone age.
‘meanwhile in Prague’
I agree with the previous commenter on the ‘demo’ here. The english only picket signs were professionally made and carried many of the US’s demons, Castro, Maduro, Guevara, with red lines across them, while on the reverse were Thatcher, Reagan etc, with the words ‘thank you’.
Also present were Ukrainian flags and anti-Putin slogans. All this merely highlights that President Zeman is not following the USEUNATO script, so he has to go.
T1
Spent a bit of time yesterday reading this covers democracy quite well.
http://www.911truth.ch/pdf/Epperson-the-Unseen-Hand-an-Introduction-to-the-Conspiratorial-View-of-History-1994.pdf
The ultimate power is debt. Sovereign nations issuing fiat currency have no need to go into debt. Their currency on issue is their debt. The bankers defend their theft of this ability with propaganda and force and Ghadaffi is an example of this (one of his sins anyway).
Saker … very clearly put. War with Russia will occur if that portion in the 1% who would otherwise lose everything they have without it, manage gain control and force it to happen. (But I often wonder … even if it only extended the life of the USD/Petrodollar by a year or so ???)
Read ‘Golden Rule: The Investment Theory of Party Competition’ by Tom Ferguson. Or see the wikipedia page,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment_theory_of_party_competition
‘The real market for political parties is defined by major investors, who generally have good and clear reason for investing to control the state….Blocs of major investors define the core of political parties and are responsible for most of the signals the party sends to the electorate.’ Thomas Ferguson
@T1
What the hell is all this talk about democracy? The US was never intended to be one, ever.
True the founding fathers may have given no thought to a democracy, but during the first half of the 20th century, the elite were greatly dependent on the common man: millions to risk life and limb in two world wars; tens of millions more to keep the wheels of industry and commerce turning profitably. Furthermore, a Remington repeater and Colt revolver could be had for less than $100, so the risk of bloody rebellion was something to keep in mind.
Under those constraints, the ruling factions necessarily made concessions to the hoi polloi.
But things are quite different now. The West fights wars with small numbers of professional soldiers well trained in the use of high-tech weapons systems. Global wage arbitrage has destroyed the power of Western labor unions. Homeland Security with enough hollow point bullets to shoot every American six times over, plus the NSA in collaboration with Google and Microsoft have the plebs covered.
So although the drafters of the constitution had no faith in democracy, during the last century America was something quite close to a real democracy.
re: “This is the moment when having a generally mentally sane Jeb Bush (and his staff) might be better than a clearly rabid Hillary (and her staff).”
Could not agree more. Jeb Bush at least offers some hope of a sensible, sane, realistic foreign policy. Hillary offers war.
(But as your sidebars avers: Put not your trust in princes.)
@Nussiminen
“the US populace is rabidly National Socialist, absolutely incapable of any consideration/compassion for other countries and peoples”
Even though I’m a European and dislike important parts of the US mindset (like its lack of human values) I think that the US 99% is also a victim of its political system:
One of the main culprits IMO is the US idea of the “melting pot”: if I understand it correctly this means not only a biological melting pot (which is natural in a country of immigrants) but also a “cultural” melting pot which means that immigrants have to renounce all of their cultural values and only accept the (often missing) values of the US. I consider this a cultural destruction.
I came to the conclusion after some visits to the US and to Canada: instead of the idea of the “melting pot” Canada uses the idea of a “mosaic of cultures” which I found quite natural and pleasant (maybe because that’s the reality in Europe).
Strangely enough when you look at the “melting pot” in this way it begins to resemble the current globalist social engineering which also aims at cultural destruction and degeneration of our populations. Coincidence?
Just my 2 cts
To Anonymous at 19:58, thanks for the update from Prague. Please keep it coming, and posting in the latest thread is often the only good place, because they rotate pretty quickly at times.
If you want to pick a name for yourself, it will make it easier for us to spot your material. You don’t need to register or supply an email or any link – just choose a nickname and select the Name/URL choice below the text box, a new text box will open up for your name. It’s not very obvious in advance, but it’s very easy when you know.
With regard to Kucinich, please do not take as criticism, however your description of his agenda is somewhat shallow. He is a fierce proponent of essential monetary reforms. Reforms which if ever enacted would be a major blow to those who by their control of the monetary system control most else. I believe you to be very well read, so I do not believe it necessary to post the many warnings and acknowledgements made previously by super elites for the last couple of centuries. In fact for the last twenty or so. Thr process of realigning districts was essential for his removal from the legislature. Many of the ideas he supports, especially those pertaining to reform of the money creation process, were far too dangerous for the cartel to allow them to gain popular attention and support.
“Sovereign nations issuing fiat currency have no need to go into debt. Their currency on issue is their debt.”
First sane description of fiat monetary systems I’ve seen on a geopolitical blog since I’ve been reading them. Well, maybe the second.
Geopolitics and hard money belief systems seem to be inextricably linked in most venues like this.
The US is a single-party state, but this single party has two faces to create the illusion of choice. In general, the choice is between Tweedledum and Tweedledee
That said, let us look at the upcoming Presidential candidates. Hillary: Delights in spectacles of a man being bludgeoned to death, cannot stop cackling. Definitely a psychopath, definitely evil. Quite possibly will cackle non-stop while pressing the nuclear button. Not to be trusted on any account. No heart, no soul.
McCain: Loves bombings, loves war, foams at the mouth 90% time. Definitely senile, never been too bright. Wouldn’t trust him with even a toy bomb. No heart, no soul.
Jeb Bush: Possibly sane, no overt psychopathic behaviour, and possibly of at least average intelligence. May prefer life to death, unlike the other candidates.
So you see why the Saker came to this conclusion?
Saker, I have to apologize for a comment I made earlier on another post, about losing respect for your judgment, whatever. I realize you have a lot of dedication to this blog, and your Russian insights are valuable. I would leave the US corrupt politics to others to discuss. It is a no win.
joe
Charles Bausman appears on15608 CrossTalk discussing how Putin is respected/liked worldwide but demonized by western media.
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/201083-russia-putin-popularity-west/#.VFS5_uAGjf0.twitter
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paul meli said…
“Sovereign nations issuing fiat currency have no need to go into debt. Their currency on issue is their debt.”
Paul, I looked at your blog and like it very much. You are well aware of how these monetary systems operate. As you say, the issuance of currency is founded in compounding debt, but only when borrowed into existence through a central bank. A nation could issue debt free currency but this would be highly visible as naked inflating, much too readily apparent. Naturally a central bank could be sidestepped or even disbanded in time of national emergency.
Paul also said:
Geopolitics and hard money belief systems seem to be inextricably linked in most venues like this.
Yes again. The hard money, gold, is called hard money because it is hard to get, not due to its’ physical characteristics. Simply put, gold is the political metal. Maybe if nations had to work for money they would not have time or money for war.
paul meli said…
“Sovereign nations issuing fiat currency have no need to go into debt. Their currency on issue is their debt.”
Paul, I looked at your blog and like it very much. You are well aware of how these monetary systems operate. As you say, the issuance of currency is founded in compounding debt, but only when borrowed into existence through a central bank. A nation could issue debt free currency but this would be highly visible as naked inflating, much too readily apparent. Naturally a central bank could be sidestepped or even disbanded in time of national emergency.
Paul also said:
Geopolitics and hard money belief systems seem to be inextricably linked in most venues like this.
Yes again. The hard money, gold, is called hard money because it is hard to get, not due to its’ physical characteristics. Simply put, gold is the political metal. Maybe if nations had to work for money they would not have time or money for war.
The US has always taken the best of the world and this could be seen decades ago and they now take the best of the Nazi’s and become some kind of the worst that humanity can offer. What is amazing is how the Germans did not have much of a choice but the Americans mostly just let it happen. Then you find many people actually making excuses and reasons for the evil that has taken over 1%. The best example is how a building desigened to survive an aircraft hitting it and withstand hurricanes crumbled. Yet no one was charged for either the crime of building such a minimalistic building or bringing it down except some guys who did not even have high school education. At least in China they have ritual organ harvesting for cheating people when they get caught. They dont even care about the cover ups and make excuses for every single thing. Shooting an unarmed kid 40 times is excused as some deranged ape that could not be stopped because of his inhumane strength and genes.
With such a stupid population, what difference does it make who runs things?
US and Europe Conceal Their Bankruptcy with Hostility to Russia
US President Obama was joined by European leaders last weekend in trying to turn the G20 summit in Australia into a forum for baiting Russia, rather than dealing with the more onerous problem of a failing world economy.
The annual meetings of the world’s top economies are by definition supposed to be aimed at addressing problems in the global economy. And those problems are increasingly onerous, with poverty in North America and Europe reaching record levels. Recent data from the EU, put the level of poverty in the bloc at an all-time high of some 122 million people – affecting around one-in-four citizens.
Ironically, this desperate clinging to waning American hegemony, supported by European vassals, is serving to drive the world economy into deeper malaise and poverty.
The truth is Washington and its European allies have no real alternative to resurrect their economies or that of the world. Their neoliberal capitalist dead-end policies of enriching a financial oligarchy while clobbering the mass of citizens with relentless austerity is a major reason why the world economy is irreversibly in demise.
Meanwhile Russia with its ambitious new trade and financial partnerships with Eurasian partners, China in particular and other BRICS nations, is providing a bright potential way out of the global stagnation. This new geo-strategic direction also provides a more secure and law-based international order between nations.
This explains why Obama and the European establishment were doing everything to keep the focus of the G20 summit away from «economics» and to scapegoat Russia for the mess that they have created. Western governments are bankrupt of new ideas to salvage the economic problems of the world. How could they be otherwise when it is their economic ideology that has produced the crisis facing humanity in the 21st Century?
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/11/18/us-and-europe-conceal-their-bankruptcy-with-hostility-to-russia.html
Saker, I’m sure you already know this, but your view about how the American political system works (which I think is one of the most accurate descriptions I’ve seen!) is entirely backed up by academic research.
Martin Gilens (of Oxford University) has proven that, since at least the 1980s, the policy actions of the US coincide with public desires only when the public wants the same thing that the economic elite does:
“Inequality and Democratic Responsiveness”
http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/69/5/778.abstract
Interview with the researcher here:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview
Yes, I wish Ralph Nader could run again…but it would be the same … a great man is not recognized by the majority…what a joke…all those americans who go to the polling station and watch the news and really believe that its for real.
And they say “I can’t believe that a government would do such things to their country”…fools.
By the way, my captcech number tonight is interesting…33366
Lazlo Toth:
thanks for explaining Paul Meli’s comment..now I get it…
I do believe that Rand Paul could potentially take a different, less interventionist approach to foreign policy. I believe those are his true beliefs. However, running in the Republican primary, Rand will get pulled in a more hawkish direction, even though this may be against his instincts. Sadly, both the Dems and GOP seem to discourage any kind of outside the box thinking. It’s really a huge weakness of a two party monopoly in the US.
@ Lazlo: nope. Hard currency is literally called that because of the physical property of being “hard”, as opposed to paper or electronic money.
As for the compound interest, it’s got nothing to do with a central bank. It comes into existence when people take loans to pay off other loans, or the opposite, when banks push people/companies/states into that spiral. A central bank only produces simple interest, never compound.
It is a requirement for any state to have a central bank so it can control the money market. If this wasn’t the case, you would have a contemporary version of J.P. Morgan rigging the whole markets as he wishes, which would make private banks actual rulers of the politics.
Now it’s not a great difference between the state stealing your money and the private bankster stealing your money, but for the state itself, it is indeed a great difference – it is a nice income that would otherwise go to private bankers only.
Other that that, most of the debt is the debt to itself and thus invalid and can be wiped out today per stzroke of a pen. It is pure fiction and in reality utterly irrelevant. It could be reset today, with zero consequences for anyone but the money masters – thus it won’t happen anytime soon.
My recommendation, stop reading the nazi/communist propaganda nonsense sites and try some more serious sources. Traitors and snake oil sellers like the “austrian school” nazis or controlled opposition stuntmen like Ron Paul etc. have sold you a bunch of stupid and shameless lies. Best example being the fraudulent “audit the fed/end the fed” bullsh*t campaign by our freemasonic “friend” Ron Paul.
Putin says United States will never ‘subdue’ Russia
The United States wants to subdue Moscow, but will never succeed, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.
“They do not want to humiliate us, they want to subdue us, solve their problems at our expense,” Putin said at the end of a four-hour meeting with his core support group, the People’s Front.
“No one in history ever managed to achieve this with Russia, and no one ever will,” he said, triggering a wave of applause.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/18/us-russia-usa-putin-idUSKCN0J21UF20141118
Agree on Hilary, but not on the ‘sanity’ of Jeb: http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/11/16/double-even-triple-government-russ-baker-deep-politics-bushes/
His family is in it too deep.
Bravo…bravo Saker for this article
It is very true….
No Bush will ever be ‘sane.’ There’s a wealth of information about their criminal activities all over the web, if anyone care to look it up. Their family history (including that of living members) would make famous mafiosos like Al Capone blush.
Jeb Bush – just as the rest of his family – is a criminal of the highest order and is as much as a warmonger as the other two Bushes that made it into the presidency. You can bet your butt that if he gets in, the attacks against Russia will raise several nudges and yes, he is crazy enough to carry out a first strike.
If anybody is backing this guy, it is me that’s beginning to question the sanity of those supporting J Bush, or Putin’s for that matter; befriending W. and even phoning sadist Sr. Bush to congratulate him on his birthday. I seriously don’t understand what he’s thinking when he does stuff like this. Isn’t he aware that Prescott Bush [Bush Sr. father] was a Nazi collaborator and financial backer? Didn’t enough Russians die at the hands of the Nazi’s to at least maintain some dignified distance away from this despicable family!?
Saker’s hatred for the Clintons because of Serbia/Bosnia, while understandable, it’s seriously clouding his judgment. And I say this as someone that harbors zero love for either of the Clintons: they’re psychopathic criminals just as the rest of them. This is NOT a case of either or, it’s a case of neither of them. Oh and btw, they’re close friends to all the Bushes as well, and they’re both controlled by the same shadow elite, the only difference is that the Bushes are higher up on the hierarchy, just as the Rodhams [hence: Hillary] is higher up than the Clintons [Bill].
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A Nazi in the (pocket) is worth four in the Bush (family)
Link> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3255.htm
^ That would give the readers enough of an idea of what I’m talking about, but that’s just one piece of information. There are plenty more.
And I totally agree with John [13:32] and the link he provided. The book ‘Family Secrets’ is a must read, if you really wanna know what the Bushes are really about.
-TL2Q
@AlienTech
“With such a stupid population, what difference does it make who runs things? ”
well said!
There will always be elites. Every group whether its 12 or 200 million people is ruled by elites. And they will rob the rest. If the rest let them.
It has nothing to do with fiat money, rigged elections, political dynasties, a feckless Congress, mega corporations etc etc. These are just the current means to the end. And there is an infinity of means to that end.
If the people allow, nay, encourage themselves to be robbed, it will inevitably come to pass. The economy could be all barter, the Congress 540 Kuciniches, JFK the President, the corporations employee owned and campaign finance nonexistent. But if the people insist on dedicating their lives to consumption and TV, it will not help a bit.
I’m constantly amazed at the almost complete lack of public protest by Americans. Despite the deep shafting they are receiving. In the 3 years I was an undergrad in my home country, we had 3 major protests that necessitated the shutting down of the university not to count other public protests. In numerous years as a graduate student and teacher at universities in the US, I’m yet to encounter a single substantial student protest.
Sometimes I think it must be the fluoridation of the water supply!
Saker, apropos the subject of the Bushes and zionists, a good article from the American Conservative:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-bush-decision-point/
Gareth said…
Until recently, the only real democracy left was in elections for local offices such as city council, county board and school board
And fewer than 25% of elgible voters ever bother to turn up. You get the government you deserve – one that doesn’t care about you at all. It is at this low level thaazt change is possible, because the areas are small,the campaign affordable, the issues real ones close to people that they can understand.
Macroeconomics is beyond most; better roads or a new school gym they can see. So it is possible to campaign on actual issues, not on demonising the other candidates. It is also possible to get more than 2 to choose from. If they knows most people WILL turn up to vote, they will have to have decent policies. While they know so few shows up that they can win just by sending out their “regulars”, they need do nothing.
These little positions are the spring board for most politicians. THIS is the level where they could be sorted out, if only people bothered.
Of course there are several serious problems with the US system
1: registering by parties. ahem….whatever happened to the idea of secret ballots? the STATE should register everyone and not be allowed to say who you generally support.
2: registration should be compulsory, so nobody can register in a non-voter’s name. Voting not compulsory.
3: police, prosecutors and judges should be appointed/employed by the STATE,not elected at local level
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They cannot be expected to be even handed if they have one eye on being re-elected. They will even unwittingly support the people who supported them. Small town police should have out-of-town superiors, to dilute the “knowing people” effect. Central appointment also means better training, and , excesses in one place don’t get investigated by the abusers, and any scandal will reflect on the whole State, so harder to bury.
It will be none of them, somebody else will be the ruler, but I will not say who, to not give ideas to the enemy…
You want to know what America is really about?
The USA is the inbred spawn of European retards, who created the United States as a White European Empire starting with their “discovery” (i.e. colonization) of the New World.
Europeans many cluck in disapproval at the USA, but they fail to realize that America is them–and that the USA reflects back at Europeans their own true nature, with all the trappings of civilization stripped bare.
Ron Paul is still politically active, and would make a highly intelligent choice for a presidential candidate, having reasonable opinions on such topics as Ukraine. Groups are urging him to run, and need some 100000 signatures by February. You can sign this pole by Googling Ron Paul.
Pretend democracy or no, a strong Ron Paul candidacy would influence US foreign policy and embolden critics of the American status quo, even if he did not win the election.
“Jeb Bush: Possibly sane, no overt psychopathic behaviour, and possibly of at least average intelligence. May prefer life to death, unlike the other candidates.”
That’s the most delusional statement I have read here.
“May prefer life to death” is insulting, a really bad, distasteful joke…
JQAdams said…
Could not agree more. Jeb Bush at least offers some hope of a sensible, sane, realistic foreign policy. Hillary offers war.
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Are you retarded?
Yeah, definitely high time for another Catholic president.
You guys still didn’t get the message?
The president is a PUPPET. Changing the president makes no difference if the people behind him remain the same. And those are not elected.
Are you all insane? Haven’t you learned by now that Bushes=Clintons, it’s the same criminal cabal!
Bushes: Saving/Loans, Iran/Contras/ drug trafficking, Frankiln Scandal, head of WTC security on 9/11, visited Bob Marley 3 days before his death posing as an journalist, Cheney killed sen. Paul Wellstone and his family for investigating 9/11, KArl Rove killed his IT guy before could testify intrial on vote rigging via the DIEBOLD machines,…
Clintons – drugs trafficking, Mena, “clinton body count”, murder of Gary Webb (movie coming out now), “Clinton doctrine” of bombing other countries for the US interests…
The Activities at Mena – MENA is no myth!
Jeb Bush and the Murder of CIA Drug Smuggler Barry Seal in 1986: The Bushes, Oliver North & Bill Clinton were all deeply involved in the drug trade in the 1980’s
BILL CLINTON’S CRIMINAL BACKGROUND
The Mena Connection, Murder, Drugs and Coverup Clinton & Bush Sr
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ONLY COWARDS DO NOT VOTE !!! Thus giving the legitimacy to the ruling class (great late George Carlin was wrong about this one). If you do not vote then you do not count, there is no way to prove high absence being a social protest. Only voting 3rd Party, or casting invalid votes will count!
Great read: George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography