On January 10, SouthFront released a video entitled “What’s Behind Boeing Crash In Iran” on the January 8 airliner crash near Tehran. This video was produced because the Iranian side released new facts and details regarding the incident.
https://southfront.org/how-and-why-iran-shot-down-ukrainian-boeing/
The Iran Air Defense Forces brought down the Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737-800 (Flight PS752) near Tehran due to “a human error”, the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces said in an official statement on January 11. The statement denounced the previous Iranian main version that the tragedy was a result of technical malfunction.
The data provided in the statement of the General Staff, and the press conference of the Head of the Aerospace Division of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) provide the following chain of events:
- At approximate 23:00 UTC, on January 7, the IRGC carried out a missile strike on US military targets in Iraq;
- The country’s air defense network was on highest alert amid reports on a possible cruise missile strike by the United States and increased flights of US warplanes near Iranian airspace;
- At 2:38 UTC, January 8, the PS752 took off from Imam Khomeini International Airport and moved close to a “sensitive” facility of the IRGC “when completing a loop”. The aircraft reportedly deviated from the general PS752 course for around 2km;
- The altitude and the direction of the flight’s movement “were like an enemy target”. The surface-to-air missile system operator mistakenly identified as the plane as an incoming “cruise missile” 19km away;
- The missile system operator acted independently because of a failure in the communication system;
- The operator then “took the wrong decision” of firing on the perceived threat in a “ten-second” time span to shoot or ignore the flying object. During the night, the operator repeatedly called for a halt in flights in the area. This was not done.
- A “short-range missile” exploded next to the plane. After this, the plane continued flying for a while, and “exploded when it hit the ground.” The Iranian side did not mention the missile system used. Supposedly, it was the Tor low to medium altitude, short-range surface-to-air missile system.
Thus, Iran described the situation with the Boeing as a result of the combination of aforementioned factors in the “atmosphere of threats and intimidation by the aggressive American regime against the Iranian nation”. Nonetheless, the real picture of events may have been different.
It remains unclear how the Boeing 737-800 may have been mistaken for an incoming cruise missile, especially taking into account that this situation developed near the capital’s working airport. If one takes this explanation with a grain of salt, the scenario could have been the following.
The plane experienced some technical difficulties during or immediately after the take-off and deviated from the course moving closer to the IRGC military site. Information appeared that the preflight inspection checklist was not signed by Iranian airport engineers, but the Ukrainian side insisted to fly at its own risk and responsibility.
Therefore, the system operator, that experienced a communication failure, considered the plane as a ‘military threat’ because it may have been hijacked for a 9/11-style attack, got under control via a cyber-attack and/or used as a cover for a pinpoint missile strike on the IRGC site.
This version does not explain how the communication failure could appear at the air defense post that must have two shielded communication channels: primary tactical circuit and the alternative. The possible explanation with an electronic warfare attack does not hold up against criticism civilian communication channels remained operational with routine flights continuing from the Tehran airport. Another factor is the video of the missile hit that appeared online. How this person, could have known when and what exactly to film without advance knowledge of the developments?
Then, there is one more explanation: The plane was shot down deliberately to exert additional pressure on Iran from the United States during the alleged acute phase of the crisis between Iran and the United States, which had a chance to develop into an open regional war. In the framework of this version, it could be suspected that the operator may have been recruited by US intelligence or blackmailed, or the system was captured in an act of sabotage by the US or its affiliated forces.
Regardless the existing gaps in the current official version of the events and the real course of the developments, Iran will and further be forced to claim that the airliner shoot down was a “human error”. Iran can ill-afford to admit the lack of control over key objects of military infrastructure in the heart of the country.
I share the doubts and questions raised by the Saker previously in his article about “horses and zebras” …
Hope we will find the truth about this tragedy.
Regards..!
The anglo-american empire is not simply “the US.”
I am about to have my Internet connection disconnected so I have had to produce this comment very quickly and reduce it to a quick ‘copy and paste’ / re-edit of earlier comments. I hope it is enough to get my points across:
Firstly, people by now will be getting very fatigued (and or very confused) regarding the Iran strikes and the Ukrainian plane take down. This is intentional, and I will leave a comment on this if I still have an internet connection later, but for now:
1) Never ever be afraid of conducting a personal investigation and drawing your own conclusions. You do NOT need to seek the approval of others (especially not ‘officials’ or ‘approved experts’) to form an opinion (or even draw a conclusion).
Join the dots of information wherever you find them and produce your own picture(s) of events.
2) Remember that ‘Investigation’ is different from ‘Research’.
An Investigator will go anywhere the evidence points them. The best Investigators never dismiss anything, even ‘evidence’ as weak as heresay, and especially not ‘circumstantial’ or ‘corrobarative’ evidence.
A good Investigator will follow the leads where ever they go, even to at first seemingly ‘crazy places’ (remember how people who said 9/11 was an inside job were considered certifiable nut-cases just after the event, but this has now become an almost mainstream concept).
A good Investigator is not afraid to speak to the crazy old drunk guy who lives in tarp covered tent at the end of the street – if that crazy old drunk guy may have had a good view of a suspect / crime / event.
The crazy old drunk guy may not provide any hard ‘evidence’, certainly nothing that could be reliably used in Court, but he may point the astute investigator in a direction which may lead to usable evidence being discovered / uncovered – or simply on to another ‘lead’.
3) Shhhh – dont talk about the old (very old) method of hiding the truth in plain sight.
For example,The Police Officer informed the Court that upon arresting the suspect, the suspect had informed him that, “he had shot his wife accidently and that it was just a coincidence he discoverd earlier that day she was having an affair”.
The suspect then informed the Court that “it was all a terrible accident – I was just cleaning my gun, I did not know it was loaded and the gun just went off, sadly at the exact moment when my wife just happened to be walking past. It was a terrible accident and I take full responsibility for my negligence”.
The Court eventually concluded that the shooting was accidental. The suspect admitted his guilt, and as there was no evidence of an intentional shooting, the suspect was convicted of ‘negligent handling of a firearm causing accidental death’ and fined. Case closed.
(For those who use English not as thier first language, please note the above is a metaphor).
4) Another little truth that almost NOBODY is talking about is that Iran also has its own ‘Intel guys’.
These Intel types are well used to sparing with CIA/MOSSAD/MI6 all around the Middle East (and inside the US and UK too, but as that thought will shock the more gentle minded of people, dont tell them, it will upset them).
Iranian Intel are also aware of the various sites inside Iran (and Ukraine) the British and ‘Canadians’ like to hide (and when they take the Ukrainian express in and out of Tehran).
5) Never be afraid to appear like the ‘crazy old drunk guy living under a tarp’ if you feel you are onto something. I was called various names when I pointed out that there was no debris (or bodies) from an aircrash at the Pentagon on 9/11, so it could not possibly have been a plane that hit the Pentagon. I maintained my position as ‘crazy guy’ in the face of massive Psyops (9/11 was the most comprehensive the world had ever seen).
I say this because a great global war (which fits all descriptions of WW3) is happening right in front of people, yet most people still ask ‘what would happen if ‘war with Iran or even WW3 broke out’.
Such is the power of modern Propaganda and Psychological operations – the masses cannot see the war (fits criteria for WW3) right in front of them. Nor can they hold an opinion that has not been pre-approved by ‘an official person’.
But I must now go, hope to be back soon, but may not be able to comment again due to internet loss.
Peace to all.
When you realize the US Deep State and the Iranian Deep State are allies, the last 17-years makes a lot more sense.
Wow. That’s a weird canard i ve been seeing lately. How do you figure they are allies?
I do remember hearing about CIA modifying commercial aircraft to snoop on sites it flew near.
What do you think happened?
Would It be possible the American rigged the plane and have it look like a missile (on the radar screen) while in air? We all know the americans have access to ucrainan planes if they want to.
Or maybe somebody on board the plane that the Republican Guard wanted to eliminate.
What if all Boeing planes are (standard) rigged with equipment so that they can be used in some way by the USA military tot look like a missile or whatever. If a software rigging can do this It is very hard to discover.
Thanks Saker this makes the most sense.
Boeing-Buap could have easily modified the flight course to encourage the reaction.
Iran does the right thing to admit that they did the shooting
Maybe Iran can do the right thing and prove that BUAP changed or altered the flight path.
BUAP was released in 2007 by CIA-MOSSAD, they say as a means to prevent another 911, but in actuality its clear, that they did this so they could turn any airliner on earth under ANZ control into a missile, or a decoy
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Let’s NEVER forget here that BUAP was developed by SERCO, who own ABC-Media-Ltd, who own Zerohedge.
Serco is/was RCA-UK in the 1920’s owned by BUSH, and supplied all electronics to Hilter in his rise to power. Just like Bush banks in UK provided the cash. This is why the ANZ is Nazi because modern ANZ is/was created using Nazi methods. Zionism is just the rational, the Jewish guilt idea of clearing nations in the name of religious fervor doing god’s work, say ‘christian-zionism’, the original purpose of zionism hertzl is/was of course just old fashion theft of land by another means, other than war, I think they call this now “Silent Wars”
The BUAP closes all COMM, all navigation, the idea is that the terrorist is blacked-out blind, even the pilot under BUAP control is blind, dumb, dark & doesn’t have a clue, this is prevent a terrorist from threatening the pilot, if he knew anything, or could do anything then the system is useless. The idea of BUAP is that CIA-MOSSAD are 100% in control of the aircraft.
All Western Aircraft since 2007, are BUAP controlled. POTUS-MOSSAD/CIA approval is required to activate BUAP worldwide, but since its administered, designed and controlled, and administered by SERCO, anybody inside the loop could in fact take control.
The most recent 737-Max failure is related to BUAP, as the plane couldn’t fly on its own, the trim didn’t exist the plane is/was unstable, auto-pilots didn’t work, but Boeing was forced to keep the plane flying because CIA wanted control, and Boeing financial didn’t want to re-design the plane.
In old days, a well designed plane, could fly itself when trimmed, but the new 737-max with forward engines requires advanced feedback loops. 737-max of course the design didn’t have redundant feedback, so when it failed the auto-pilots and ‘fly by wire’ system fails in entirety.
Even the BUAP is not discussed by pilots, top-secret CIA-MOSSAD program, discussing BUAP even if know by a pilot will result in loss of pilots license.
Omerta
Just remember that BUAP under UK-Serco control gives city-of-london the power to make any aircraft on earth a missile, bomb, or decoy
In Iran the plane was used as a decoy to attract fire near the base
If true, then all the more reason to ground everything non-military in these type of situations.
Iran made a serious mistake not doing so.
BUAP is an acronym for what ? A very quick web search doesn’t bring up anything obvious.
I have wondered if the Boeing 737-800 built in 2016 could be converted to fly-by-wire like the later 777 and 787, perhaps also the 757. I doubt such a conversion would be possible but I don’t know. If we can rule out that the doomed Ukrainian airliner could have been remotely controlled, that would rule out some theories.
Werent most Russian military hardware including ground to air missiles systems delivered to Iran manufactured in the Ukraine. I have read that years ago, Iran accused Russia of compromising its missiles systems by providing the friend or foe id keys to Israel. Its seems the Ukrainian nazis state may have changed their civilian passenger planes transponder to spoof a cruise missile which the compromised systems radar simply acknowledged as being a cruise missile.
This is by far the best write-up of what probably happened that fateful morning in Iran.
There seems to be, as Saker suggested earlier in his “Horses and Zebras” post, a failure in Iran’s air defence system. The military and civilian aviation authorities are not communicating smoothly. Not only at the tactical level (was there no military air traffic controller at Teheran airport to verify flight information to AD units?) but at the national level.
At the moment only God knows what really happened in what must have been a tense, stressful, and confused environment prior to the anti-air missile launch. But allow me to speculate about the damage control exercise that is going on.
Following military logic, the Iranian military, any military for that matter, would have wanted a complete halt to civil aviation, even temporarily, post-missile launch til things got clearer — it would have made their job so much easier but for reasons of their own, the civilian authorities said ‘No’. I won’t be surprised that if there was a deadlock, the final decision — to open or close the airspace — went to the very top man, the Supreme Leader, and it was he who made the call. We can imagine the disastrous fallout from that fact if it came out. Hence it was the Pasdaran (IRGC) whose raison d’etre is to protect the Revolution rather than the country, that fell on its sword willingly in order to protect the Ayatollah, in essence the symbol and embodiment of the Revolution. Yes, it was their missile but they could have pointed their finger upstairs. Thus as far as the Iranian public is concerned, the buck stops at IRGC’s doorstep.
Oops, I meant to say “…even temporarily, post-missile launch against the US targets in Iraq til things got clearer…”
Apologies.
Reportedly, US built passanger aircrafts are delivered by a stealth-system known as “home-run.”
The system allows someone on the ground to steal away the control over the aircraft from the pilots.
The system’s sales pitch is that it could help resolve skyjackings.
It can also be used to turn passenger jets into cruise missiles.
Yes.
“As long ago as the early nineties, a major European flag carrier acquired the information and was seriously alarmed that one of its own aircraft might be “rescued” by the Americans without its authority. Accordingly, this flag carrier completely stripped the American flight control computers out of its entire fleet, and replaced them with a home grown version. These aircraft are now effectively impregnable to penetration by Home Run, but that is more than can be said for the American aircraft fleet…”
The flag carrier was Lufthansa.
More here (site on Saker’s blogroll):
https://www.911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/homerun.html
Sure seems like a completely unnecessary system when one realizes airlines have now reinforced cockpit doors to prevent just such hijackings. Case in point is the Germanwing airliner that was flown into the French Alps by the copilot, who had locked the Captain out of the cockpit and despite the Captain’s attempts to breach it with the onboard fire axe could not do so in time to save the plane and passengers.
The timeline of mass media reports on this crash is as follows:
January 9th
-Reuters reported, citing five anonymous security sources, that Western intelligence agencies believe the plane had suffered a technical malfunction and not been brought down by a missile.
-The Canadian source was quoted as saying there was evidence one of the aircraft’s engines had overheated.
-Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran’s Road and Transportation Ministry, said it appeared a fire erupted in one of its engines and the pilot lost control of the plane, according to the state-run IRNA news agency.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/security-agencies-said-to-believe-malfunction-not-missile-downed-plane-in-iran/
-“The initial assessment of Western intelligence agencies is that the plane was not brought down by a missile. There is no evidence to suggest that,” said the source.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/09/world/western-intelligence-agencies-see-no-signs-ukraine-airliner-shot-canadian-source/#.Xh0dtKQo_Dt
Both Iran and the Western powers agree it was an engine malfunction. Western “intelligence sources” even claim there is no evidence the plane was brought down by a missile.
January 10th
CBS News quoted US intelligence sources as saying a satellite detected infrared “blips” of two missile launches, followed by another blip of an explosion.
Meanwhile, Newsweek quoted a Pentagon and senior US intelligence officials, as well as an Iraqi intelligence official, as saying they believed Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 was hit by a Russian-made Tor missile.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-51055219
January 11th:
Iran has admitted its military made an “unforgivable mistake” in unintentionally shooting down a Ukrainian jetliner and killing all 176 people onboard, after days of rejecting western intelligence reports that pointed to Tehran being responsible.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/iran-admits-shooting-down-ukrainian-airliner-unintentionally
Now, within 24 hours, both Iran and the Western powers agree Iran is to blame. They even have satellite-detected “blips” to prove it. I guess they live in the Middle Ages so it took their messenger a whole day to ride from the castle where the satellite tracking equipment is to the castle where the intelligence agencies are. Also, MSM are now claiming Teheran was rejecting western intelligence agencies’ reports of its blame for “days”.
I don’t know about you, but this whole affair is more than a little suspicious to me.
Most likely a 5th column in the IRGC. The radar basically proves it had to be done on purpose. To give Iran a black eye and to give the color revolution/coup an issue to rally around.
We had the token state news anchor quit live on the air over the downed plane. And these protests sprung up. BellingCat also sprung into action on the narrative.
Maybe just maybe, the Iranian govt admitted to it, because they want the 5th column to keep running with it. Either that or they dont fully understand the situation.
LOOK at the radar compared to all 9 other planes !
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2020/01/226.jpg
I think this report is relevant to the discussion here. Personally I smell an incident similar to the Russian IL-20 getting tragically hit in Syria, September, 2018.
Official: Canada, US, France Refuse to Help Decoding Black Box https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981023000861
It is just that–a tragic combination of “wrongs” on Iranian side which led to a failure. Combat crews of the AD complex most likely were under stress and, if to consider the time frame of the accident, did expect a “response” and made a tragic mistake.
In all of the interpretations of the shooting down of the Ukrainian PS752, what I find missing is the anticipated reactions of the USA after having its bases bombed by the Iranians. We are all aware that the Americans anticipated the Iranian reaction after the assassination of General Soleimani and his Iraqi counterpart.
What we have not seen has been the next move by the Americans, and I cannot comprehend as to why nobody else has considered the American/Israeli move after the expected bombing, and I also believe the response had been planned when the plan to assassinate General Soleimani was first considered. As far as I am concerned the shooting down of PS752 bears all the hallmarks of the American/Israeli deceit. The only thing that I do not know is how it was accomplished, but it left the Iranians no choice but to accept responsibility. It also leaves the American/Israeli side in the position to consider their next move, which has also been well and truly considered.
It also reminds me of a ploy I was told as a young policeman by a barman at the Coliseum Hotel in West Heidelberg when dealing with a troublesome customer. The barman would approach the customer whilst the customer was seated at a table. The barman would speak quietly to the customer and then ‘accidentally on purpose’ knock over a glass of beer so that the spilt beer ran over the table and towards the pants of the customer. The customers reaction would be to escape from the spilt beer by pushing his seat backwards and standing up, the very same reaction as if the customer was going to assault the barman, and thus that barman could attack the customer and remove him from the premises.
As far as I am concerned America has just knocked over the glass of beer that the Iranian IRGC had been drinking.
Iran has just been told how the Americans will fight; very dirty and deceitfully.
US Comm got a NOTAM from Teheran 3 hours before hitting their bases in Iraq…
American reconnaissance aircraft allegedly simulated the firing of cruise missiles into Iran after its retaliation against American bases in Iraq:
New Dimensions of Ukrainian Airplane Incident in Tehran; US Footprint Brighter than Ever! + Video
https://english.iswnews.com/10265/new-dimensions-of-ukrainian-airplane-incident-in-tehran-us-footprint-brighter-than-ever-video/
There’s too many things wrong with this over-simple explanation. It doesn’t wash. For example, pilots on PPrune who have flown out of Tehran have stated there was nothing different about PS752’s instrument departure and they have overlaps of the other 9 flights the same night plus the instrument chart.
The flight path shown by flighttracker on the internet is derived from the GPS signal that the airplane received and transmitted back. If there was GPS spoofing involved, the plane might have been on a totally different track and it would not show up in flighttracker. Even the pilots might have been unaware that they are not following the right path. So I think the argument that the plane was flying on the same route as always based on flighttracker data might be wrong. The interesting question is if the crash site is on the flight path as shown by flighttracker, did anybody check that ?
I raised the spoofing in another article here and suggested the possibility that the F-35s might have been able to make the 737 radar return look like a cruise missile. I have seen several plots on Pprune.
Using caution as always (Eliot Higgins is quoted occasionally) -from Pprune page 11 if you page down to the posts by “Airbubba” there’s a map showing the flight paths of the previous flights that night and the miltary faciliity and alleged placement of Tor battery. Nothing unusual about the right turn and might that have been caused by the missile strike?
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/628650-ukrainian-aircraft-down-iran-11.html
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/628650-ukrainian-aircraft-down-iran-16.html
One of my questions is that a Tor battery appears to have several of the mobile launchers plus, and here’s the odd part, a mobile command centre directing and coordinating them. If so, why did this command centre not have the smarts to realise it was a normal commercial flight? If it couldn’t -given that it was in line with regular departing airline traffic what the hell was it doing there? An accident waiting to happen.
If there was any direct US involvement in all this there may be obfuscation and disinformation on Pprune.
Caveat emptor.
“I think its at 35°33’33.36″N – 51° 6’8.87″E
Yes, I identified the coordinates where the v/stab came down (35.5596 51.1045) in an earlier post which the mods seem to have deleted. The water tower is about 200 meters WSW of that point. ”
https://skyvector.com/airport/OIIE/Tehran-Imam-Khomaini-Airport
Question:
haven’t all Boeing-machines installed an patented device for remote control?
According to Internet sources (wiki for example, however I am no fried of wiki)
in USA a patent had been given to the company in 2006 ??
Also with might be new patents or developments it could have been combined to some manipulation from outside the plane.
This would explain a lot of things.
Many “coincidences”…, too many:
– The video so lucky to catch the small missile impacting…
– The video so lucky to catch the launch of the rocket…
– The prompt manifestations of “anger” for the (…accidental…) shooting…
– Trump & Co. praising…
– The GB ambassador inciting…
and finally,
– Many people arrested in connection to the shooting: so, not just a single “operator”?
Considering the lack of any scruple and morals by the self-proclaimed rulers of the world, It is very probable that the conclusion of the Iranian investigations will deserve some..surprises.
forgot to add:
– Ordinary Ukrainians are spendable pawns for the “rulers” as also for they own ukronazis.
I agree, too many coincidences.
Although Alexander Mercouris rightly, or at least justifiably (on the basis of available evidence) observes that there doesn’t seem to be any effective strategic thinking in DC, I very much doubt that Pompeo and Co would have gone ahead with the strike on Solameini witout “gaming” and being prepared for a number of further “moves” after that. It is possible that the Iranian strike on the US base “triggered” the payback strike on the airliner, however the latter was set up and executed.
The US was always going to figure out a way to put Iran in the “wrong.” The US, unlike Iran, wuold never “quietly” accept that Iran gets the “last word” in the exchange. That is, gets to occupy the moral high ground without a new tat for the tit. From this p.o.v. Trump’s “desperate” message via the Swiss not to escalate actually just looks like another deceitful play that further degrades the diplomatic communication space.
That is, the the airliner downing was always a move in the game, then the plea to “deescalate” was itself disingenuous.
Katherine
The major mistake was not to forbid all civilian air traffic over Iran starting 23.00 UTC the time at which Iran starts shooting at US targets. Beyond that the US are familiar with friendly fires. How often did the US shooted at his own troop?
“Iranian Intel are also aware of the various sites inside Iran (and Ukraine) the British and ‘Canadians’ like to hide (and when they take the Ukrainian express in and out of Tehran).” Escobar made a similar point in a recent article.
A really eye-opening report that, if true, provides the context from which these recent events have sprung. It’s not all about Iran; it’s about domination of Iraq and it’s signing of MoU’s with China.
Maidan 2.0 anyone?
https://m.journal-neo.org/2020/01/11/new-facts-change-everything-the-sickening-truth-about-why-iran-schooled-america/
… ‘How this person, could have known when and what exactly to film without advance knowledge of the developments?’
That was my thought upon seeing the video days ago. The person filming didn’t seem surprised in the least.
The circumstances involving the video of the Ukrainian airliner being shot down are suspicious.
Apparently, the anonymous Iranian videographer who took the footage was located in an industrial (not residential) area outside of Tehran, at around 6 AM local time and just happened to have his camera pointed in the night sky just before the plane was hit.
Also, there was no discernible reaction of shock or disbelief from the videographer when this shocking event happened. Instead, s/he continue to film the event and apparently smoked a cigarette!
Moreover, the video footage was given to one Nariman Gharib, who does not live in Iran and is a “regime change in Iran” cheerleader judging from his social media posts. The video was submitted to the New York Times, which summarily posted it the very next day.
Oh, Christiaan Triebert, the NY Times’ video expert, who closely collaborated with Gharib to promote the video footage of the Ukrainian shootdown, just so happens to be a former “investigator” with the American government funded Bellingcat organization.
How fortuitous for the USA–and almost improbable as finding Mohammed Atta’s passport in the World Trade Center debris after 9-11!
Iran Jet Disaster Setup
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/202001131078026961-iran-jet-disaster-setup/
This is the same link I was planning to post. The photographer was there expecting something to happen. Why on earth would he have that attitude? Probably he had been there for hours getting every departing airplane in his viewfinder “just in case”.
The mere existence of the video stinks to high heaven. Was the plan to spoof the Tor radar? Was an Iranian traitor at the controls of the anti-aircraft system? I’d put my own money on the former situation, but who knows.
An Iranian “accidental” shootdown may have started as an entirely separate operation from the Soleimani murder, and the timing got adjusted.
I wouldn’t put anything past Pompeo. Or for that matter, the Apartheid state.
This article seems to fill in some of the gaps:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/was-the-shootdown-of-the-ukrainian-airplane-near-tehran-really-a-mistake.html
Every departing aircraft is assigned a transponder code. The transponder transmitting that code even during ground roll on departure. A military air defense system should be able to receive that squak (standard aviation term, sorry) they should also maintain a listening watch on the 4 or 5 frequencies for an international civilian airport in their immediate vicinity.
The smug bastards (Trump and Co) know they will get away with it cos they always do.
No crime is too heinous or flagrant.
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I doubt a LONE or even a SMALL TEAM of radar and missile operators were SIMPLY so incompetent to shoot down a passenger plane during the most significant military operation in recent Iranian history. I’m not suggesting they didn’t go it just that there is more to this than we yet know.
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We might in time learn much more than what is being written by some outside of official channels but it will probably never get traction in the MSM.
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They (western state media) just don’t do honest independent investigative journalism critical of Empire.
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But but but you might say – they have already apportioned blame and made arrests.
And I’d say Yeah and isn’t that typical of bureaucracies (in this case the Iranian). Blame someone preferably someone lower in the food chain – to cover up the lack of foresight and operational capabilities of the system; the failures of management to learn from recent events that made them look so incompetent.
Maybe in time they will reveal/confess their own limitations and explain these arrests as necessary to be seen to doing something and to calm the ‘people’. Lets see.
The Ukranian plane crash stinks !
As soon as the Iranian BM were in the air – the Iranians would and should have closed their airspace ! Why did
not do it ? It takes a second.
That the Ukranian plane veered to the IRG HQ near the airport,or that the radar or transponder pods,on the plane were off or put off – is all bullshit.The Iranian ADS would know all the commercial flight schedules of the day,and would also know the RCS of a Boeing,and the time of its takeoff.dindooohindoo
Even if the Americans jets were to make a raid into Iran – the ADS at the land border,would pick them up and the jets would fly at 20-25000 feet.The Ukranian plane was at take off stage -less than 10000 feet.How could the Iranian ADS at Tehran,assume that the projectile was a Cruise Missile – at low altitude ?
American jets were in the air in Iraq even before the BM launch by Iran – and must have been tracked by the Iranian ADS and Radars.
Not 1 American Killed in the Ukranian Flight ! Not 1 EU killed in the flight ! 90% were Iranians ! That is why the Iranians came out on the streets – AS IRANIANS WERE KILLED ON THE FLIGHT !
Ain’t no coincidence ! It is the Americans who might have jammed the communications between the flight and
the Iranian ADS – and also jammed the Iranian ADS – to cause the Iranian Hit ! The aim was to discredit the IRG and the Iranian Elite – by making the Persians kill Persians on Persian Soil – blowing the myths around the Quds,Basij, IRG and the clergy – and start a Tahrir !
There can be no other reason ! Americans can jam any Iranian ADS – except the S-400 systems – as also,proven by the IAF raids in Syria – right upto the Syrian Presidential Palace.
Iranians/Russians allow the killing of Soleimani , Miss all the targets in Iraq , Do not close their airspace after launching of BM AND SHOOT DOWN A NATO PLANE FULL OF IRANIANS -with no American or EU casualties !
S-T-I-N-K !
During Indo-Pak conflict in 2019 the Hindoo worms shot their own chopper near the IB.That was due intense radar clutter and noise and EW from both sides of the border.
The Ukranian plane was shot 10000 feet in the air – in TEHRAN,hundreds of miles from the IB with Iraq ! And there is a complete RECORDING by some human on the ground – who was there at the right time and right place. 2 Missiles were fired ! TWO ! The 2nd was to make sure – a MAN behind the MANPAD !