Interview with the member of the Russian Academy of Science Alexander Chuchalin
Translated by Scott Humor
If a situation with the CAVID-19 coronavirus infection follows the same scenario as the SARS epidemic, then by April- May the problem will be less acute. In his interview to the RT the academic Alexander Chuchalin, the Head of Department of Hospital therapy of the Russian National Research Medical Pirogov University. In his opinion, the Russian healthcare system has done its best to protect the country from coronavirus. The doctor also says that, contrary to popular belief, infection with CAVID-19 can be accompanied by a runny nose.
Q: Not only are you one of the best pulmonologists in Europe, you are also in the main risk group now for coronavirus. Could you, please, give some recommendations for people of your generation and those who are younger, those who, as we see, are really susceptible to high mortality — especially in China, Italy, and Iran.
A: In order to understand the risk groups for this disease: first of all, these are people who come into contact with animals that represent a biological reservoir. For example, in 2002 it was African cats, in 2012 it was camels, and now the science is a little confused, it has not been fully established. There is more evidence that this is a certain kind of bat — the one that the Chinese eat.
This bat spreads the coronavirus through its bowel movements. After that a seeding process takes place. Let’s say, it’s a seafood market or some other products, and so on. But, right now we’re talking about an epidemic, we are talking about people infecting people. Therefore, this phase has already arrived. The infection spreads person to person.
Coronaviruses are a very, very common viral infections, and people encounter them many, many times in their lives. Within a year a child carries diseases that we call acute colds up to ten times. And behind this acute cold are certain viruses.
And the second place in its prevalence is occupied by the coronavirus. The problem is that these seemingly harmless pathogens were dismissed, and they could never understand the cause-and-effect relationship between a common cold and a virus. If, say, a child has a cold, he has a runny nose, what will follow? And so on. For about two weeks, a child or an adult gets sick — and all this disappears without a trace.
But in 2002, 2012, and now in 2020, the situation has changed qualitatively. Because the serotypes that have started to circulate … they affect the epithelial cells.
Epithelial cells are cells that line the respiratory tract, gastrointestinal tract, and urinary system. Therefore, a person infected has pulmonary symptoms and intestinal symptoms. And in the study of urine tests, too, allocate… with such a viral load.
But these new strains, which we are now talking about, they have these properties — to come into contact with the second type of receptor, the angiotensin-converting enzyme. And this receptor is associated with such a serious manifestation as cough.
Therefore, a patient who has symptoms of damage to the lower respiratory tract, a characteristic sign is a cough. This affects the epithelial cells of the most distal parts of the respiratory tract. These breathing tubes are very small.
Q: Distal, is it distant?
A: It’s far and small in diameter.
Q: So this is what we have next to the bronchi?
A: This is bronchi, then we have bronchioles, respiratory bronchioles. And when the air, the diffusion of gases goes on the surface of the alveoli, they pass just this section of the respiratory tract.
Q: That is, the primary symptom is a cough…
A: No, the first is a runny nose, and a sore throat.
Q: They say that there is no runny nose.
A: No, these are big data issues. 74 thousand medical records were processed, and all of them have rhinorrhea (runny nose. – RT). When you are told this — there are really some nuances. Biology is like this. The biological target of the virus is epithelial cells. The nose, oropharyngeal region, trachea, and then small bronchioles, targeting these regions are especially dangerous to humans. And it turned out that, having this mechanism, the virus leads to a sharp breakdown of the immune system.
Q:Why?
A: An explanation that science gives today is that a protein called interferoninduced protein-10 is involved in the process. It is with this protein that the regulation of innate immunity and acquired immunity is associated. How should we see this? As a very deep damage to lymphocytes.
Q: So you can see lymphocytes falling immediately on the general test?
A: Yes. And if there are white blood cells increase, platelets will increase, and it is more stable lymphopenia, that is, the lymphotoxic effect of the viruses themselves. Therefore, the disease itself has at least four outlined stages. The first stage is virusemia. A harmless cold, nothing special. Seven days, nine-approximately in this interval.
But starting from the ninth day to the 14th, the situation changes qualitatively, because it is during this period that viral and bacterial pneumonia is formed. After damage to epithelial cells in the anatomical space of the respiratory tract, colonization of microorganisms occurs, primarily those that inhabit the human oropharyngeal region.
Q: Do you mean bacteria that is already there?
A: Bacteria, Yes. Therefore, these pneumonias are always viral and bacterial.
Q: So the virus, so to speak, fills the alveoli, where some bacteria live all the time? And they live somewhere by themselves, in some quantity?
A: In general, we believe that the lower respiratory tract is sterile. This is how the defense mechanism works for the lower respiratory tract.
Q: There’s nothing there?
A: It’s not inhabited. When the virus has entered and it has broken this barrier, where there was a sterile environment in the lungs, microorganisms begin to colonize and multiply.
Q: So it’s not a virus that causes pneumonia? Still, pneumonia is caused by bacteria, of course.
A: It’s the association of virus-bacteria.
This is the window where the doctor must show his skill. Because often the virusemic period is like a mild disease, like a slight cold, malaise, runny nose, a slight temperature is small, subfebrile. But the period when the cough increased and when there is a shortness of breath — these are two signs that say: stop, this is a qualitatively different patient.
If this situation is not controlled and the disease progresses, then more serious complications occur. We call it respiratory distress syndrome, shock. A person cannot breathe on their own.
Q: Pulmonary edema?
A: You see, there are a lot of different edemas of a lung. In fact, it depends on how it happens. To be precise, we call this non-cardiogenic pulmonary edema. If, say, cardiogenic pulmonary edema can be treated with certain medications, then this pulmonary edema can only be treated with a mechanical ventilation machine or advanced methods such as extracorporeal hemoxygenation.
If a person transfers to this phase, the immunosuppression caused by the defeat of the acquired and innate immunity becomes fatal and the patient is joined by such aggressive pathogens as Pseudomonas aeruginosa, fungi. And the cases of death that occurred — 50% of those who were on artificial ventilation for a long time, the alveoli are all filled with fungi.
Fungi appear during the stage of deep immunosuppression. What is the fate of the man who endured all this? That is, he suffered virusemic period, he suffered viral-bacterial pneumonia, he suffered respiratory distress syndrome, non-cardiogenic pulmonary edema, and he suffered septic pneumonia. Will he be healthy or not? And, in fact, today the world is concerned about this: what is the fate of those 90 thousand Chinese who have suffered a coronavirus infection?
Q: But those 90 thousand — they recovered by themselves, they weren’t kept on on a ventilator, they did not get fungi. ARI or acute respiratory infection, that’s it?
A: But the problem itself is very important. Because practical medicine is faced with the fact of a sharp increase in the so-called pulmonary fibrosis. And this group of people who have had a corona virus infection develops fibrosis of the lung within a year.
Q: That is, when the lung tissue thickens?
A: Yes. A lung becomes like burnt rubber, if the analogy is to be made.
Q: Say, you get an elderly person who has been accurately diagnosed with a coronavirus. And he is not yet on the ninth day, that is, he does not need to be put on a ventilator yet. How will you treat him?
A: You know what the problem is: we do not treat such patients yet, because there are no medications, medicines that should be used in this phase. There is no panacea. Because a drug that would act on virusemia, on the viral-bacterial phase, on non-cardiogenic pulmonary edema, on sepsis — is a panacea, this drug doesn’t exist.
Because if we go back to the experience of 2002, when we saw the vulnerability of medical personnel, doctors and nurses were recommended to use Tamiflu and oseltamivir — an anti-influenza drug. And with certain serotypes of the coronavirus, indeed, the mechanism of introduction into the cell is the same as with influenza viruses. Therefore, it has been shown that these drugs can protect individuals who are at high risk of developing this disease.
Or, he is identified as a carrier of the virus, he is given these drugs and so on. But this, I want to say again, has no serious evidence base. The situation that is most threatening, because it determines the fate of a person. A cold is one thing. And another thing a viral-bacterial pneumonia, it is a fundamentally different thing.
And here it is very important to emphasize that it is problematic to help such a patient only with antibiotics. There must be a combination therapy, which includes means that stimulate the immune system. This is a very important point.
Q: What do you mean? So, relatively speaking, you will prescribe him Amoxiclav with some kind of immunomodulator?
A: Yes, we would usually prescribe fourth-generation cephalosporins, not Amoxiclav, in combination with vancomycin. This combination is broad, because very quickly there is a process of a change of gram-positive and gram-negative flora. But what immunomodulatory drug to prescribe is a question for scientific research.
So, we understand that the immune system will suffer dramatically. We understand the high vulnerability of a person to the infection that begins to colonize the respiratory tract. So, unfortunately, we don’t have a clear line. But what really can help such patients in this situation is immunoglobulins. Because this is substitution therapy.
And therefore, such patients are prescribed high immunoglobulins so that they do not develop sepsis, at least they do not enter the sepsis phase. American doctors used this drug in their Ebola patient. This is a group drug, an analog of nucleosides. This is a group of drugs that are used for herpes, cytomegalovirus, and so on.
Q: So this is antiviral or antiviral-supporting therapy, right?
A: No, this is a drug that still acts on the mechanisms in the cell that resist virus replication. Here in my hands (photo of US President Donald trump. – RT). He gathered all the top people who could speak out on promising drugs. Two questions that he raised, he was preparing for this conference. The first question is: how ready are scientists in the United States of America to introduce the vaccine?
Q: Eighteen months.
A: Yes, absolutely. That’s two years. He asked what in this case? Does the country have drugs that could protect? And, as a matter of fact, they said: Yes, there is such a drug.
Q: What?
A:What kind of drug is this? It’s called Remdesivir
Q: Let’s look at it.
A: That’s what scientists said, given the experience that we have, and discussions and so on. Although, of course, there are other drugs that are being actively studied. In general, this direction is very interesting: in fact, it is considered promising. The use of mesenchymal stem cells is considered promising. But at what stage?
Q: As a person who has been doing this for many years, treating everything from asthma to pneumonia, can you somehow try to predict the development of this epidemic, for example, in Russia?
A: I want to say that if we compare Russia with the surrounding world in case of the coronavirus of 2002. We didn’t have a single patient here.
Q: Maybe we just didn’t diagnose them?
A: As you know, there are strong aspects of Russian healthcare in this situation, and I would like to stress this. This is the work of our sanitary and epidemiologic services. They really did their best to protect our country. This is on one side, as if punitive measures. And on the second side is the work of the Vector Research Institute, which made diagnostics for the coronavirus in a very short time, and they did everything absolutely. And it was tested at the CDC, and they got a certificate indicating high specificity and sensitivity.
Q: The Vector diagnostic kit is the only certified
A: Yes.
Q: The virus is already in Russia, no matter how much the sanitary service tries. How do you think it will develop? Will it end in the spring, for example, with the arrival of summer?
A: You know, I think the picture repeats what it was then with the SARS. If you remember…
Q: Then? Do you mean in 2002? When it was SARS?
A: Yes, that’s the one. If we follow this scenario, we should say that somewhere in April or May this problem will become less acute.
Q: Just because of the seasonal cessation of respiratory infections?
A: Yeah. The climate factor and a number of other factors. Now, the trouble, of course, comes to us not from China, but from Europe. Those who return from these countries, primarily from Italy, today, remember: Carlo Urbani. He accomplished a lot of things. I think this is just a hero of a doctor who has done so much. He was a virologist from Milan.
Q: Back in 2002?
A: He was a WHO expert. I met with him through the World Health Organization. He was on the list as an expert on coronaviruses. And then he was sent to Hanoi. They were dispatching doctors, and he got to go to Vietnam. And in Vietnam, when he arrived, there was a panic. Their doctors stopped coming to work. Their medical staff, also. There had patients, but there wasn’t any medical personnel and no doctors.
He assessed the situation. With difficulty, he managed to break it, to remove this panic situation that was then in the hospital. But most importantly, he began to communicate with the government and said: close the country to quarantine. That’s where it all came from. It came from Urbani. They started to fight back.
Q: The Vietnamese?
A: Yes, the government of Vietnam. That this would affect the economy, tourism, and so on. But, he found these words, he convinced them. And Vietnam was the first country to come out of this. And he thought his work was done. He collected material for a virological examination and boarded a plane to Bangkok.
He was supposed to meet with the American virologists there. During the flight, he realized that he got ill. He got sick, just like those poor Vietnamese in that hospital. And he began to write everything down and describing it. This is this exact time, and this is how I feel.
Q: The flight was about three hours?
A: Yes, about three hours. And during these three hours, he became an invalid who couldn’t get up and move on his own. Here we see how the window itself works, and we understand when pneumonia joins — this window can be extremely, extremely short in duration. And when he was barely able to get down the aircraft ladder, he left the last entry: “I’m waving to them so they don’t come near me.”
That is, American virologists wanted to meet Urbani, but he said: let’s not contact. He died in an intensive care unit. And there was an autopsy. And from his lung tissue was isolated a strain that was named after him – “Urban I-2”. Here is a very story that I am telling you. A tragedy, of course.
Q: What would you recommend to a person who finds himself… Well, we have already agreed that the virus is in the general population. We can’t really control it anymore.
A: Are you asking for some simple recommendations? First of all, take a good care for the nasal mucosa and oropharyngeal area.
Q: To wash it with saltwater?
A: Yes, wash it thoroughly. But “lors” – non-prescription medications and sinus cleaners to stop running nose and for an effective lavage. That is, the feeling of free unobstructed breath should come after all. The second thing is the oropharyngeal area behind the uvula. And there, too, you need to make a good lavage of the oropharyngeal region.
Q: So you don’t just have to squirt it up your nose, you have to gargle it deep down your throat?
A: Yes, and rinse it out. And don’t be lazy. Do do it until you get a feeling of clean, good airways. Of all the ways, this is the most effective. I would advise those people who can afford to buy a nebulizer or…
Q: Do you mean, it’s aerosol, right? With ultrasound?
A: Yes. And it allows the hygiene of the upper respiratory tract to be brought to a good state. When a cough starts, it is desirable to still apply the medications that we prescribe for patients with bronchial asthma. This is either Berodual, or Ventolin, or Salbutamol. Because these drugs improve mucociliary clearance, relieve spasm.
Q: You mean expectorant?” Mucolytic ACC?
A: Yes, ACC and Fluimucil. And what you can’t do is use glucocorticosteroids. This virus replication is rapidly increasing by them.
Q: What does that mean?
A: Corticosteroids is prednisone, methylprednisolone, dexamethasone, betamethasone.
Q: So you don’t need to inject hormones, relatively speaking, if you have a viral infection?
A: There are inhaled steroids. But there are patients with asthma who are ill and are on this therapy. But this has to be a tailor-made solutions. Of course, 2020 will go down in medical history as a year of a new disease. We must admit that we have understood this new disease. Two new pneumonias have arrived. First is pneumonia, which is caused by e-cigarettes, vapes, and now in the United States, people have died from this…
Q: …several thousand teenagers. Yes, this is a well-known fact, and how to treat it is unclear. You put them on a ventilator — they die immediately.
A: Yes. Do you understand what the problem is? Here they develop those changes in the lungs that occur during this process. They seem to be similar (to the changes from the coronavirus). This is respiratory distress syndrome, which we are talking about. The literature raises very serious questions: the role of coronaviruses in transplantation. One of the problems is obliterating bronchiolitis, which occurs especially during transplantation.
Q: A lung transplant?
A: Yes, lungs and bone marrow. Stem cell. As a matter of fact, everything is well done, everything is normal, the person has responded to this therapy, and the problem of respiratory failure is beginning to grow. And the cause of these bronchiolitis was caught — it is a coronavirus… That is, new knowledge has come.
How to treat Coronavirus infection COVID-19 in Russian
Scary as hell.
What a biological horror.
They want everyone to socially distance themselves. Just read this interview.
I had SARS back then. My regular dentist called sick, and his partner just came from Vietnam.
I was ill bedridden for 6 weeks with a viral pneumonia. Refused to be hospitalized, though.
Socializing was the last thing on my mind.
Viruses mutate. Call it what you want. People get sick. We live in a sick society. Toxic water, food and air. Your sickness is probably better diagnosed as poisoning.
The article failed to mention a cure for mass delusion. Pretty useless, for that reason.
I can attest from experience that a mixture of salt and warm water is the number one remedie in the arsenal against these types of infections.
Use it aggressively !
Two to three teaspoons of salt in a glass mixed with warm water. Try to gargle it in small to medium sips for about 5 minutes. You might not finish the entire glass in 1 sitting. Save the glass.
Repeat this process every 2 to 3 hours. It is one of God’s miracles ;-) .
Besides viral infections, you can even cleanse your teeth and gums regularly with salt water.
Another important remedie for soar throats is squeezing half a lemon and mixing it with the highest quality honey available to you, without diluting the mix in water. Let it burn your throat, if it does, it will eventually have a soothing feeling after repeated sips and repeating sittings.
May God keep you all in good health !
Funny, this is what my mother’s family always used. Salt and water is also very effective on swellings and bruising.
Anonius
Don’t forget onions and garlic, especially garlic. Over here where I live (Eastern Europe) you will not find a single family which does not keep onions and garlic, a tradition which goes back to Greek and Roman times. The medicinal qualities of onions and garlic are well known.
Absolutely ! ….These are where these two bulb’s qualities really shine :-) !
Don’t forget thyme tea (or thyme in food) either. It boosts the number of white cells. It is probably the only generic antivirus.
In case of a sore throat, I keep some thyme under my tongue while sleeping.
The scientific consensus is that this will not kill the coronavirus. It’s considered a myth. It might help with a regular cold, but not coronavirus.
“The scientific consensus is…”
What consensus? Is there even such a thing today? I don’t see it (and for good cause). All the more reason to take the folk remedies of tradition seriously. They always knew what works — and still does — even if they didn’t know why…
great advice, thank you!
When I have a bad cold/mild flu, I find that hot squeezed lemon juice with honey and a shot of single malt Scotch whisky is remarkably effective.
It breaks a bard cough in the throat within three days.
I do not know about coronaviruses, as I have no idea if I have ever suffered due to coronavirus infection.
Maybe this thread is better to post this:
The whole story about transmission from Hubei is total BS.
10,050 Chinese from Hubei visit Beijing (resulting in 442 confirmed cases)
17,160 Chinese from Hubei visit Shanghai China (resulting in 353 confirmed cases)
9,342 Chinese from Hubei visit Hong Kong China (resulting in 141 confirmed cases)
59 Chinese from Hubei visit New York US (resulting in 613 confirmed cases)
145 Chinese from Hubei visit Vancouver (resulting in 0 confirmed cases)
0 Chinese from Hubei visit Greece (resulting in 228 confirmed cases)
0 Chinese from Hubei visit Sydney Australia (resulting in 112 confirmed cases)
5 Chinese from Hubei visit Iran (resulting in 12,729 confirmed cases)
1 Chinese from Hubei visits Italy (resulting in 21,157 confirmed cases)
How come visitors from Hubei to major Chinese cities have almost zero transmission rate.
How come visitors from Hubei overseas have very high transmission rates.
CONCLUSION: The disease is being deliberately transmitted to certain areas.
If you can stop these people deliberately transmitting the disease it will go away.
“In order to understand the risk groups for this disease: first of all, these are people who come into contact with animals that represent a biological reservoir….. For example, in 2002 it was African cats, in 2012 it was camels, and now the science is a little confused, it has not been fully established. There is more evidence that this is a certain kind of bat — the one that the Chinese eat.”
I take issue with this for a few reasons: most Chinese don’t eat bats, ffs. Anyone who is so worried about bats ought to know that in Lombardy, bat box program exist in parks to counter mosquitoes.
More importantly, it is NOT known at this time whether there this virus has been mutating among humans, or if there was one jump from animal to human, or several jumps from an animal to human or even what the animal was. The bat sequence is important only in that it helped identify the genome.
“If SARS-CoV-2 pre-adapted in another animal species then we are at risk of future re-emergence events even if the current epidemic is controlled. In contrast, if the adaptive process we describe occurred in humans, then even if we have repeated zoonotic transfers they are unlikely to take-off unless the same series of mutations occurs. In addition, identifying the closest animal relatives of SARS-CoV-2 will greatly assist studies of virus function. Indeed, the availability of the RaTG13 bat sequence facilitated the comparative genomic analysis performed here, helping to reveal the key mutations in the RBD as well as the polybasic cleavage site insertion.
http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/398
Larch and Mods, I do not want to sneak to the top of the page but it took scrolling the entire forum to finally find something on hydroxycloroquinine which has had a huge vote of support in the link below, which, in turn, has emerged from the very recent and successful containment in Wuhan. Making this promiment would be a public service I believe.
The fact that my town got cleaned out of it today – after trying five pharmacies I finally found some in Wal-Mart – is not in itself proof of anything but word is certainly getting around. Lots of toilet paper still on the shelves here, by the way.
I was surprised that the Russian doctor did not mention the drug.
Here is the link to the articles, with cross references and full credentials of the researchers:
https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S0924857920300820?token=3AA5BD2CCE4A22B407B8D0E75F3C0F9F1F14AE6A7E0816F419E4B3215EC3462456FD618DC2E75CE6438E302F4107750C
Thanks Saker and Scott… a very timely translation.
Regarding the treatment steps, the following relates to asthma, but may be of interest
The National Asthma Council Australia video on how to perform nasal irrigation.
https://www.nationalasthma.org.au/living-with-asthma/how-to-videos/how-to-perform-nasal-irrigation-with-fess-sinu-cleanse
I CAN TESTIFY TO THE GREAT EFFECTIVENESS OF NASAL RINSES
If I start nasal rinses as soon as I feel the throat tickle of a cold coming on, I don’t get the cold.
I haven’t had one in years.
This year, though, I mustn’t had started the rinses soon enough as I did get the cold.
BUT, instead of stopping the rinses, I upped them to every 2hrs & I never had to blow my nose ONCE all through the two week cold!
AND it wasn’t miserable, like usual, at all.
I gradually decreased the frequency of the rinses as the cold got better.
I was continuing the rinses, preventatively, every day, but now with the added risk of COVID-19, I will increase that to AM & PM, as recommended &, of course, will increase that if I become symptomatic.
As a former yoga teacher I can also recommend Alternate Nostril breathing.
To clean the sinus, clear the head and calm the mind and spirit. Super essential now to supercharge our bodies with positive energy and clear the lungs.
I have the advantage of living near a beach and this is part of my daily walk and deep breathing ritual. I have not had a cold or sniffle for a many years, nor do I ever have the flu injection.
https://www.healthline.com/health/alternate-nostril-breathing
I recently learned of this too Babushka. It’s helpful for learning how blocked – often from internal swelling due to inflammation – they can be. Breathing with both, we learn to interpret the compensation, so we can easily think “Oh I dont have a problem. This can be wrong, as I discovered I was.. When I tried to alternate nasal breathe, I was shocked at how I almost couldnt. Breathe, that is. It was an eye opener for me.
I had been suffering from internal nasal swelling due to my reaction to Salicylates – which I’m among those people intolerant of. I’ve had it since childhood but just let it go, eating the fruits I love so much. But on realising how bad the nasal results were, I got checked for polyps and then just cut the food out.
I also learned the saline nasal washes from the Indian nurses and Doctors I made friends with years ago in UK. You dont need a machine – as I’m sure you know. They just pour normal saline** into a cupped palm of hand, close off the opposite side nasal with opposite hand, and slowly inhale it to reach the back of the nasal passage, then repeat changing sides.
** N/Saline is roughly 1 tsp salt in 1L water!!
Glad to see you are staying well. Are you as glad as I you dont live in UK, now that we’d be condemned to isolation for 4 months
And then some wonder why I keep saying – the reaction is out of all proportion to the infection!!
Thanks Pamela
Yes, keeping as well as possible as the insanity descends on this great land.
My husband is a great believer in cold water swimming to keep the immune system in good tune – does it all year round – every day ritual. Not my thing, but turning the shower to cold for the last few bursts will also close the pores and boost immunity.
Btw – I am a different person to Babuška, who also lives in Aussie and shares her wonderful wisdom in the cafe.
Many thanks to Alexander Chuchalin for sharing his expertise and also to Scott Humor for this translation.
Abundance of information which I was waiting for.
Excellent informative article. This should be shared extensively in the current COVID-19 environment, particularly among healthcare professionals.
“This should be shared extensively in the current COVID-19 environment, particularly among healthcare professionals.”
Done already at fairly high level, so far no applause. Let’s give them time to digest and overcome their sense of innocent supremacy
Just saying
Scott, молодец.
I do not understand the general recommendations:
“A: Are you asking for some simple recommendations? First of all, take a good care for the nasal mucosa and oropharyngeal area.
Q: To wash it with saltwater?
A: Yes, wash it thoroughly. But “lors” – non-prescription medications and sinus cleaners to stop running nose and for an effective lavage. That is, the feeling of free unobstructed breath should come after all. The second thing is the oropharyngeal area behind the uvula. And there, too, you need to make a good lavage of the oropharyngeal region.
Q: So you don’t just have to squirt it up your nose, you have to gargle it deep down your throat?
A: Yes, and rinse it out. And don’t be lazy. Do do it until you get a feeling of clean, good airways. Of all the ways, this is the most effective. I would advise those people who can afford to buy a nebulizer or…
Q: Do you mean, it’s aerosol, right? With ultrasound?
A: Yes. And it allows the hygiene of the upper respiratory tract to be brought to a good state. When a cough starts, it is desirable to still apply the medications that we prescribe for patients with bronchial asthma. This is either Berodual, or Ventolin, or Salbutamol. Because these drugs improve mucociliary clearance, relieve spasm.”
1. Okay, the “washing with sea water” I associate with the sea water nasal sprays — is this roughly correct?
2. But what is meant with “lavage”? Gurgling with salt water, say?
3. And then the aerosol thing, what is that? Is this related to the good old method of putting hot water with something into a bowl, your head over it, and cover with a towel?
WASHING WITH SEA WATER – he is talking about what is called “nasal rinses” also called “nasal washes” or “nasal lavages” … look online for videos how to do it.
LAVAGE – is French for “wash”, here he means “nasal washes” not gurgling.
BOTH nasal washes & gurgling (back of throat) should be done for regular/usual nose & mouth hygiene, to prevent colds/flu & to relieve cold/flu symptoms.
AEROSOL – no, not putting head over hot water, that’s “steam inhalation” … aerosol is a fine mist, either sprayed or inhaled from a device, like for asthma.
Hope this explanation helps!
Thanks.
I understand now the “nasal washes” part: found
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_irrigation
Wikipedia Nasal irrigation
and also found (simple) devices which one can purchase. That solves that.
But the “gurgling” is still unclear to me. The text sound as if it weren’t just ordinary gurgling, but part of the nasal irrigation, somehow.
Concerning the mist to be inhaled: in recent weeks I was searching for information and devices about that, but couldn’t find much solid information for the simple uses related to colds. So I opted for buying a simple small device which boils water, and one puts some essential oils in it. This steam inhalation is traditional, easy to understand, and one feels the effect.
Found
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebulizer
Wikipedia Nebulizer
but that also doesn’t speak about the non-medical use. One can buy devices, but information is always about the medical cases. So for now I stay away from that.
He means “Gargling” I believe. Sage tea was a common gargle for sore throats etc in the past.
Indeed, I meant “gargling”.
For some time I used in the UK the word “gurgling” when I mean “gargling” — people would then always “gurgle”, but never say something (I guess they thought I wanted to be funny ;-)).
Not so fast, water heavy on salt is excellent for gargling your sore throat. Centuries old method. Of course other natural methods work also.
Hi, you can also use a “nebulizer” to nebulize essential oils without water as a carrier: the essential oils will have an easy way to go deep into the respiratory system. (I would use all kind of soft essential oils and in some case add a little bit of strong oils).
I made some French and Dutch pages about this, here is a link to an avi, showing the working of such a nebulizer. Not to confound with the fancy products that use water as a carrier!
No spam intended as I have not enough to sell here anyway I’m in France and we are almost in complete lockdown anyway now: to moderators)
http://www.cevenat.fr/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/diffuseur.avi
You also have ventillators that “diffuse” essential oils through a pad, less effective than the “real nebulizers”, but still effectif in hospitals:
Voir aussi :
Voici deux liens (anciens), de l’utilisation de diffuseurs dans l’hôpital de Manchester au Royaume-Uni:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4116053.stm
Article de 2004, dans le contexte des maladies nosocomiales.
Le lien suivant, de l’hôpital de Wytenshawe montre un appareil par ventilation plus grand:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/6471475.stm
Un autre lien relaté sur la puissance des huiles essentielles.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/sussex/8584753.stm
Staph Infection ressources:
https://www.staph-infection-resources.com/prevention/airborne/
Re: To wash it with saltwater?
A: Yes, wash it thoroughly. But “lors” – non-prescription medications and sinus cleaners to stop running nose and for an effective lavage.
I would advise those people who can afford to buy a nebulizer
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What does the word “lors” mean in the above quote? Obviously it isn’t the usual French meaning.
The Dr. recommends a nebulizer. What is he suggesting to use with the nebulizer? Just saline?
The Saker
The Russian Academic is a smart fellow, but I think following the money can yield results quicker and easier. Covid-19 may be a new virus, but the script is old and worn out from overuse. I personally got acquainted with this bloody script during the aids pandemic. The script albeit macabre, is simple and makes good business sense. Recurring expenditure by patients makes for guaranteed income for big “Pharma”. Hence the cure for almost all diseases is permanent medication for the patient. This is called “Corporate Interests” and Doctors, Academics, politicians, me and you are under its complete domination. Summer is coming to the Northern hemisphere and with it come the reprieve from the pandemic, but please keep your focus on the money for that’s were they will reveal themselves.
I am much inclined to agree with Daniel.
I was a bit confused by the Russian academician’s assertion that the lower respiratory tract (lungs etc.) are not inhabited by bacteria. This is not true https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6297685/ Therefore, some of the assertions by the good physician might be incorrect to some degree.
What is known for sure is that a huge scare campaign is going on among the world’s media, and governments are forced to do things that may not be in the states’ best interests. Accompanying this is a distinct lack of objective information related to the disease and the virus responsible for it.
I hope the discourse turns sane soon; in a large sense, the impact of the virus has been negligible considering that it has been out there at least for 3 months at the end of the winter season.
I too look forward to understand who will profit from this scare.
Yes Daniel, yes Saji, I happily agree with you. Let’s not succumb to fear. Thanks Harry for the salt water reminder. Thanks translators for this informative Interview.
I must say that I am quite disappointed with both Russia and China in that they are more or less following or copying the Western model of conventional medicine and it seems either the medical professional there are either just looking at how to make as much money as possible from human suffering or it’s just more “modern” to adopt the Western way of doing things. The Chinese themselves are abandoning 5000 years of proven traditional medicine that has shown effectiveness in dealing with almost all disease as well as successfully fighting various plagues that have attacked their country over the centuries. As is the case, Chinese now want to look modern and use Western pharmaceuticals. It’s a massive shame that Russia and China don’t get together and create a new model of medicine incorporating both traditional and modern scientific means. They both have the resources, knowledge and ability to do so. People don’t even realize the miraculous innovations that Soviet doctors accomplished but have been lost along with other feats of that era. Western medicine or Big Pharma preys on people’s suffering for the sake of profit. Even Goldman Sachs admitted there is no profit in the cure of cancer.
Anyway, in regard to the current situation, what I do is follow Dr Andrew Saul’s protocol to fight the virus. It involves cheap and effective vitamins including vitamins C and D3, selenium, zinc and magnesium. Vitamin C is so so important. Even Chinese doctors are now using it in their fight against the virus. Also I take elderberry, medicinal mushrooms, olive leaf and other antiviral supplements. I urge you to do an internet search on these and in particular Andrew Saul’s protocol. Additionally, I do a lot of things to strengthen my immune system like taking infra-red saunas. And if I needed treatment I would consider ozone therapy and hyperthermia to kill the virus. Listen to podcasts by Gary Null, Mike Adams of Natural News, Dr Ronald Hoffman of Intelligent Medicine, and a great interviewer on http://www.extremehealthradio.com. These guys are a treasure trove of information and who I consider the real American heroes.
I write this because it’s not intended to replace professional medical advice but is only what I do and what I would do regarding both the coronavirus and good health in general.
But in the end, the current medical system based on greed and profit must be replaced or we will forever see loved ones needlessly suffer and die.
Natural old school remedy’s are fine.
“Yellow Emperor” that’s 4,000 year old stuff, and it worked in the day, still works with natural ailments like gout, & arthritis
But these modern man made viruses, that are designed to bypass natures self-healing process, how could it really work?
I think the reason for ‘modern medicine’ attack on the virus is that the Med community knows this is a man-made modern bio-weapon, and thus by definition natural old-school treatment ain’t going to work.
Sort of like using an old weapon to fight against another opposing force with modern weapons, the Gong-Fu(mandarin) Chinese-Boxers in the 1800’s tried to fight the UK-USA invaders in Shanghai with their Kung-Fu (canton) against bullets, and the US-UK essentially wiped out the ‘Boxer Rebellion’. The Chinese learned the hard way, you don’t fight modern enemy’s with old school defensive weapons.
There’s nothing stopping anybody to buy and try TCM ( traditional chinese medicine ) I can go to anywhere in ASIA, in any city or small town and find a chinese shop selling 1,000’s of dry herbs and stuff; There are chinese guys selling this stuff from Indonesia all the way to Harbin-China. Everywhere in SE-ASIA has TCM shops.
The people at the front line fighting this bio-weapon must use modern tools.
Once this war is over, there is plenty of time to publish refereed articles on whether traditional or modern medicine won the CIA-BIO-War
Today China has advanced the USA in every form of technology, and they will certainly advance the USA in bio-tech. There is nothing stopping anybody from going to a TCM shop and buying stuff and doing self treatment.
Thanks for the translation Scott,
An article in Zero Hedge also addresses this issue in a slightly different way:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tverberg-it-easy-overdo-covid-19-quarantines
The conclusion is one that I would advocate based on my life experience:
“We also need to be looking for new approaches for fighting COVID-19. One approach that is not being used significantly to date is trying to strengthen people’s own immune systems. Such an approach might help people’s own immune system to fight off the disease, thereby lowering death rates. Nutrition experts recommend supplementing diets with Vitamins A, C, E, antioxidants and selenium. Other experts say zinc, Vitamin D and elderberry may be helpful. Staying away from cold temperatures also seems to be important. Drinking plenty of water after coming down with the disease may be beneficial as well. If we can help people’s own bodies fight the disease, the burden on the medical system will be lower.”
I have rarely suffered from the “flu”, maybe 3 or 4 times in my 60+ years, and rarely suffer from colds (usually ending within 3-4 days). When I do suffer from the latter, it is usually as a result of improper dress for inclement weather, or a week of inadequate eating; that is, not usually eating a well balanced diet, as I usually strive to do.
So instead of accentuating the negative, maybe, we should consider strengthening the positive things we can do. Of course, the aged and infirm need to be dealt with otherwise. But the key for the rest of us is strengthening our immune systems.
In my experience, the best preventative is an alkaline diet as viruses need a human blood environment that is slightly more acidic than the normal 7.35 to 7.45 range in order to propagate. I have been 5 years cold/flu free.
If you start to experience symptoms, one trick to quickly elevate blood pH is to sleep with a piece of sliced onion (yellow are best) in your socks. The sulfides in the onions will elevate blood pH and by morning the symptoms are gone.
https://www.mynaturaltreatment.com/natural-ways-to-prevent-coronavirus-covid-19-infection
Following the Scientific way to understand an economic stunt like Covid-19 is time wasting. Big “Pharma” will come with a solution and it is called lifetime medication (jokingly called ‘three times a day). During the Aids epidemic, I did a lot of research on Virology and Toxicology in order to understand certain logic defying things regarding the epidemic progression. All I could come up with is that medicine has long parted ways with objective scientific practice under immense pressure from Big Pharma. People it doesn’t pay to cure a disease but it is highly profitable to come with a so called “life prolonging substance” (aka Patenting).. Unfortunately during this phase of instilling mortal terror in the masses, a lot of innocent lives will be lost during the winter season. Things will clear up in summer and by then more information will be available and patterns would be clearly discernible.
I wonder if the Covid-19 pandemic will subside when the MSM ratings begin to decline because people will be getting tired of the regurgitated news, and a new news story will come up?
By the way, Russian Doctor gives very sensible advice. This is the kind of information we should be getting on the MSM, but are not.
I’m not a doctor, but I thought this information was so important, I immediately alerted my doctor. I encourage everyone else to do so, also. Most of it, we can’t actualize, directly. However, the information about lavage could be life saving, and I haven’t heard that ANYWHERE else, certainly not in official pronouncements or mainstream media. (With one exception, viz. Dr. Oz, I haven’t even heard about people boosting their Vitamin D levels. This, in spite of research showing that going from Vitamin D deficiency to sufficient supplementation can cut your risk of upper respiratory infection in half.)
I am wondering why this doctor did not mention Vitamin D, either. Yes, it’s of limited usefulness after an infection already sets in, but, at least in the US, we are looking at the medical system getting overwhelmed. Some people put Vitamin D deficiency levels in the US at 40%. If we can cut the risk of needing a ventilator in half, for 40% of the population, that might flatten the curve enough to avoid forcing doctors to cut off treatment to people over a certain age. (I have read that this is being done in Italy, though I don’t know, for sure.)
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Scott, a million thanks. Now you are talking my language. I’m e mailing this to all my friends especially the ones in the medical field.
I’d like to know more about the Vector disposal kits, however. Will research it.
From Mike Adams at Naturalnews.com
put in an essential oil diffuser or a deep lung nebulizer
3% hydrogen peroxide ( phew! is really strong, go easy)
2 drops of iodine
colloidal silver ( my little generator makes 12ppm)
Probably the total liquid amount will be 50cc or 1/8 cup? depending on the capacity of your device. Usually respiratory treatments are from 10-15 minutes. My guess would be to mix the colloidal silver 2:1 as a liquid base. Colloidal silver is touted to interfere with viral wall and its replication abilities.
Vaping for the 65+…..1 tablespoon of Vick’s dissolved in a quart of boiling water, breath in deeply repeatedly.
Thank you so much Scott for translating this important information – I am going to email to family and friends. Also going to stock up on more salt. Already do the Vit D.
Funnily enough my mother said to me back in early February that gargling and cleansing with salt water was the best thing to use to avoid the Covid 19 virus………she was so right!
Why aren’t our governments, health services and media telling us to do this? Such a simple thing that everyone can afford to do………..I think we all know…….
Well, this is not ‘just a cold’. It is much worse. This finally would explain the extraordinary measures taken worldwide to try and contain it.
And I’m 66.
Yeah Craig, that idiotic brigade has so much egg on their faces now they will be looking like fried omelets!
I’m 66 this September too.
Take great care
Col
It was rather eye-opening with his remarks that if someone contracts Corona virus within a year changes occur to the lungs. A thickening.
Birdseed. The Russians seem to have left a clue. One should ask what the number is of this useful protein. If it is Nsp15 it is in my exotic birds’ mix. I ordered 8 pounds of the specific seed which were delivered last Thursday and will order another batch when possible. If the virus doesn’t get me, my husband will. I am no scientist but there are some coincidences here.
Favorov explains that the virus mimics a useful protein consumed by human cells. It seems that the cells of an older organism require this “useful” substance in much larger quantities and thus fuse with the virus more actively.
https://www.rt.com/news/482612-coronavirus-specialists-odds-catching-surviving/
I knew researchers were homing in on Nsp15 and this is what gets interesting. Virology gives the role of Nsp15 in coronavirus replication as enigmatic. When I read virology I thought-weird- Nsp15 is acting like two different proteins. Then I saw Favorov’s explanation, the real protein and an imposter protein. “EndoU-deficient coronaviruses were viable and replicated to near wild-type virus levels in fibroblast cells.” This would explain why the elderly are hit hardest.
Tuesday, March 3, 2020 2:19PM
RIVERSIDE (KABC) — A team that includes UC Riverside researchers has identified a protein in a virus from the previous decade that might prove beneficial in developing a vaccine to combat novel coronavirus, according to the university.
Researchers isolated a protein designated, designated as “Nsp15,” from the severe acute respiratory syndrome – SARS – outbreak of 2003 that could be useful in testing for vaccines intended to prevent or reduce the threat of coronavirus, also known as COVID-19. The protein found in coronavirus is 89% identical to a protein discovered in SARS, suggesting that drugs developed to treat that disease could work for the current outbreak plaguing countries around the world.
Virology. 2018 Apr;517:157-163. doi: 10.1016/j.virol.2017.12.024.
EpuCoronavirus EndoU is encoded within the sequence of nonstructural
protein (nsp) 15, which was initially identified as a component of the
viral replication complex. Biochemical and structural studies revealed
the enzymatic nature of nsp15/EndoU, which was postulated to be
essential for the unique replication cycle of viruses in the order
Nidovirales. However, the role of nsp15 in coronavirus replication was
enigmatic as EndoU-deficient coronaviruses were viable and replicated
to near wild-type virus levels in fibroblast cells. A breakthrough in
our understanding of the role of EndoU was revealed in recent studies,
which showed that EndoU mediates the evasion of viral double-stranded
RNA recognition by host sensors in macrophages. This new discovery of
nsp15/EndoU function leads to new opportunities for investigating how
a viral EndoU contributes to pathogenesis and exploiting this enzyme
for therapeutics and vaccine design against pathogenic coronaviruses.
immunolgy is not my forte but this article discusses how testing is done..
It is a bit academic but the concepts are there.
https://www.creative-diagnostics.com/Immunochromatography-guide.htm
and this further explains the concept and why it is handy in the field…
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2268275/
Interesting….Not so much as a murmur yet from the idiotic “its just a cold” brigade.
PLANdemic is a new word that is becoming very popular. Here is a nice overview of the medical marshal law, and how it all came about. Very detailed and superbly researched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW2oHhN3heo
Saw lots of military today in my area, and yet I feel like there is something isn’t working for the insects who self-elected themselves to rule over humanity. The theater curtains are full of holes, and too many people can see the genocidal actors and their pathetic scripts.
Assuming that I French kiss a person who has covid, how much time from the moment that kiss is ended, if any, do I have to wash away “all traces” of that kiss from my mouth in order to prevent being infected with covid? A. Impossible to prevent infection. B. Mere seconds. C. A few minutes. D. An hour. E. 24 hours.
Assuming that I “catch” covid from an infected person TODAY, in exactly how much time will the most sensitive test available report/confirm that I am indeed infected with covid? A. An hour. B. 24 hours. C. 48 hours. D. 72 hours. E. 7 days. F. 14 days. G. 30 days? What is the market name for the most sensitive test available for earliest possible detection? How do the 15-minute, Chinese-developed blood tests stack up against the most sensitive?
Assuming that I “catch” the covid infection today, in exactly how much time will/can the covid in ME be transmitted to others? For example, if I sneeze into the air tomorrow and someone inhales some of those droplets, will those droplets “infect” that person with covid? If not tomorrow, how many days down the road?
Thanks.
Money, Money, Money…Trump language…yet another example of obscene unveiled greed…it will not go down well with the Germans.
A quote from the below link…
“According to an anonymous source quoted in the newspaper, Trump was doing everything to secure a vaccine against the coronavirus for the US, “but for the US only”.
The German government was reportedly offering its own financial incentives for the vaccine to stay in the country.
The German health minister Jens Spahn said that a takeover of the CureVac company by the Trump administration was “off the table”. CureVac would only develop vaccine “for the whole world”, Spahn said, “not for individual countries”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/15/trump-offers-large-sums-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine
Is it not a bit strange that these governments (of the people, for the people) have all the powers in the world to control the people (for the ….?) — but when it comes to corporations and national (people) economy interests they have virtually zero.
Excellent article, thank you Saker and Scott for the translation. I have five questions.
1. Can a person be infected with influenza and coronavirus at the same time? I ask because there is an epidemic of influenza in the U.S. with 29,000,000 (29 million) so far and the symptoms are nearly the same between them (e.g., coughing, sneezing, body chill, muscle ache, intestinal disorder, fever.)
Source: https://www.contagionlive.com/news/us-flu-cases-reach-29-million-have-we-hit-peak-season
2. We read of the horrific numbers coming out of Italy. Are there different strains of coronavirus active, some being more virulent than others? Can those different strains be identified by microscopic examination?
3. Did Dr. Chuchalin have an opinion as to whether this epidemic of coronavirus was developed in a laboratory as oppose to in nature?
4. Did Dr. Chuchalin have an opinion about more than one “patient zero” originating from geographic locations other than from Wuhan, China?
5. Vaccines such as for influenza introduce antigens to stimulate the immune system and create antibodies to neutralize that particular strain of the virus. Every year a vaccine is created to address new strains of the flu. However if a person does not receive the yearly vaccine (like me), the body will fight off the infection and once an antibody has been produced, a copy remains in the body so that if the same antigen appears again, it can be dealt with more quickly.
Source: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320101#immunity
My question: If a person contracts cononavirus and successfully recovers through normal palliative care, does he/she now have immunity to that strain of coronavirus like what happens with influenza?
Warning here about nasal rinses. My Doctor was adamant never ever use regular water it is extremely dangerous. The water has to be sterile which means buy distilled water otherwise you are playing a very dangerous game one that will kill you.
Be healthy and safe.
This is rubbish. I have always mixed salt with tap water, done nasal rinses since childhood because my grandma taught me so, and it protected me from most flus. I have only had 2 in my life, and never had flu jab. I am 50.
@Milan:
You don’t necessarily have to use distilled water. You can boil tap water for a few minutes and let it cool down. That will kill any amoebas.
The question was posed can one have two viral infections at the same time? Since in the USA the medical incompetents did not test, no one knows what they have when they exhibit symptoms unless the person becomes critical.
The first testing in the USA took 24-72 hours because the Feds forbade the state labs from testing so samples had to be sent to the CDC in Atlanta. Lab testing takes awhile.
Now in the above article Mr.Chuchalin mentions Vector diagnostic kits–with this one can get a result in 10 minutes and the amount of training necessary to administer and read it is minimal. 10 freaking minutes!!!!
So all I can tell you is my experience here at ground zero in Roseville, CA which hosted the first fatality ( at least the first diagnosed one). I had the usual flu which I contained after 10 days. Then I had to have some very needed dental surgery ( two hours worth) after which strangely enough I contracted an unusual rhinitis–watery flow from my nose and into the back of my throat. I never get this. Then there came a dry cough and an ache in my upper chest. ( no temperature and no shortness of breath). I am on antibiotics for the dental surgery so that actually is good. ( old school ampicillin). So now I have a stint of staying in, gargling to prevent migration deep into the lungs. , giving myself breathing treatments with colloidal silver, taking all sorts of anti viral herbal medicines to cut viral reproduction etc. Thanks to the above article I was able to focus in on what was possibly going on and rather than continue to be puzzled by it or ignore it, I am on it!!!
So, in my opinion,,,yes, one can have two viral infections at once or one after another.
Antibiotic, dry cough and chest acne: You have a fungal infection, take antifungals.
thanks.
Also try to get Ozone with deep inhale, 10 minutes two times a day, if you can withstand of coarse
2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory and Template
2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data / WHO situation reports on March 15, 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic
Scary stuff yet surely a vital statistic is missing. These people must have a clear understanding of the mortality rate associated with this infection. They are locking down the entire world so it seems likely they would have looked into this a little bit.
The number of celebrities contracting the disease seems to be flatlining possibly because this phenomenon strongly advertisers a widespread contamination. If such large scale contamination exists in the populace it follows that the mortality rate is far lower than stated.
Anyway stock markets have crashed but only so far. They are predicting the end of the economic system as we know it. Someone somewhere does not believe them.
Life saver: Stabilized allicin extracted from garlic (Allimax/AllicinMax). This is such strong medicin to all kinds of infections that first time users should be aware of the possibility of herxheimer reactions if more than the recommended amount of capsules are taken.
My brother-in-law suffered from Lyme disease in the brain where it is very hard to get rid of because of the blood-brain barrier. No medication did him any good until he started taking AllicinMax capsules that cured him completely.
In case of infection of the lungs allicin in a sterile solution can be inhaled with the help of a nebulizer. No kidding, 100% corona proof!
More info here:
US: https://www.allimax.us/
CA: https://allimax.ca/
UK: https://www.allicin.co.uk/
DE: https://www.allicin-allimax-deutschland.de/
Stay healthy!
Excellent article and lot of good comments. One thing that is easy to do is drink extra water which flushes toxins out of your body. Squeezing lemon juice in a glass of water will actually raise your bodies Ph. I am learning that coffee, red meat, alcohol will all lower your Ph and viruses live in acidic states.
Thanks for posting this Saker.
Scott, many thanks for this tour de force in translation. That cannot have been easy.
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Americans allegedly want to take over German vaccine manufacturer – with a video
Updated on 03/15/2020 – at 7:21 am
In Tübingen, researchers are working on a vaccine against Covid 19 disease. According to a news-
paper report, the United States now wants to secure the results. The federal government is resisting.
According to a media report, the US and Germany are facing an indirect but tangible economic-political
dispute due to the corona crisis. As reported by “Welt am Sonntag” with reference to government circles,
the government of President Donald Trump tries to lure German scientists working on a potential corona vaccine with high financial contributions to the United States or the drug exclusively for his country to
secure.
The American president allegedly offers the company a large amount to secure its work exclusively, the newspaper reported. Trump is doing everything possible to get a vaccine for the United States. “But only
for the United States,” it said in the federal government.
According to information from “Welt am Sonntag”, the dispute between the two states is about CureVac,
a company based in Tübingen, which is working with the Paul Ehrlich Institute for vaccines and biomed-
ical medicines to produce a vaccine against the virus. Government officials are now negotiating with
CureVac, according to the report.
“The Federal Government is very interested in the fact that vaccines and active substances against the
novel corona virus are also being developed in Germany and Europe,” confirmed a spokesman for the
Ministry of Health of the newspaper. “In this regard, the government is in intensive exchange with the
company CureVac.” Germany tries to keep the company with financial offers, the paper reported, citing
the government circles. According to the “Welt am Sonntag”, the company did not want to comment on
this.
The video titled: Covid-19 vaccine becomes the bone of contention between Berlin and Washington
You can change the subtitles to English
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/coronavirus-usa-wollen-deutschen-impfstoffhersteller-kaufen-16679769.html
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Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Trump collects basket in the fight for vaccine manufacturers – excerpts
The American President would like to have a corona vaccine exclusively for America as soon as possible.
His courting for the Tübingen company bounces off the resistance of the major investor, whose name is Dietmar Hopp
By Susanne Preus, Stuttgart, Christian Geinitz, Berlin and Brend Freytag, Mainz
Updated on March 15, 2020 – at 8:05 pm
Dietmar Hopp, the main owner of the Tübingen biotech company Curevac, has spoken out against the
sale of the company and its research results to America. An exclusive contract with a single country for
a corona vaccine, according to his own statements, is out of the question.
“If we hope to be able to develop an effective vaccine against the corona virus soon, this substance
should be able to reach, protect and help people not only regionally but in solidarity around the world,”
said Hopp on Sunday evening.
Hopp said that he would be glad if this would be done through his long-term investments from Germany.
For a long time, Hopp was the only investor and is still the largest investor in Curevac with a share of 80 percent.
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/gesundheit/coronavirus/corona-impfstoff-curevac-investor-hopp-wehrt-sich- Gegen-trump-16680445.html
The same link to ” Trump collects basket…” maybe now it works
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/gesundheit/coronavirus/corona-impfstoff-
curevac-investor-hopp-wehrt-sich-gegen-trump-16680445.html
I try the last time with the same link that is correct
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/gesundheit/coronavirus/corona-impfstoff-curevac-investor-hopp-wehrt-sich-gegen-trump-16680445.html
Disease arc of Covid-19
Thank you Saker and Scott, for this interview, which throws much light on the medical level situation, as distinct and separate from the political and geostrategic situation.
This is an eye opening, and instructive interview with Alexander Chuchalin, Head of the Department of Hospital Therapy of the Russian National Research Medical Pirogov University, and member of the Russian Academy of Sciences. I have not seen anything like it on the internet. The four stages he mentions function concurrently with no space between them to differentiate each phase. To summarise what I’ve understood from the interview.
—-The arc of the epidemiological scenario will extend up to April-May, similar to the SARS virus situation, when a warming climate in the Northern hemisphere is expected to reduce the severity of Covid-19. The Southern hemisphere however will be going into winter, therefore a possible stretching out, or increase of morbidity and mortality in the South during winter.
Covid-19 itself presents across four distinct disease-stage progressions as follows: First Virusemia phase, Second Virus-Bacterial-Fungal infection phase, Third Non-cardiogenic Odema phase, Fourth Sepsis phase.
Often, the the sepsis phase leads to death, wherein the Bacteria-Virus-Fungus, which had entered the bloodstream during the second phase, progressively kills the patient. For survivors, a Fifth phase has emerged, which could be the pulmonary fibrosis stage (burnt rubber quality), which is damage to the normal elasticity of the lungs in the long term. And thus leading to shortened lifespan.
1) Virusemia simply means virus in the bloodstream. This is the phase when a run-of-the-mill flu virus, induces the patient’s immune system to fight back with symptoms like a runny nose, slight fever and a cough. The lymphatic system tags the virus, so that other killer leucocytes can envelop it and kill it.
The Covid-19 virus, instead enters the defensive wall of the epithial skin cell, takes over its internal mechanism so as to reproduce itself, and causes the epithial site to then explode with multiple coronaviruses, out of the cell, causing open wounds in the ephitheal lining. Epithial cells form the pink lining of the upper respiratory tract (nose to the throat) as well as the lower respiratory tract (from the throat to the very small alvioli). The alvioli is where O2 is exchanged with CO2 into the bloodstream.
Now there may be multiple open wounds in the inside wall of the nasal cavity (Upper) as well as inside walls of the lungs including alvioli (Lower) with so much of coronaviruses, that the patients immune system is overwhelmed. But is still defensible. The patient will feel pain from the injuries.
2) Simultaneously, other Viruses-Bacteria-Fungi normaly kept at bay in the upper respiratory tract, now become opportunistic and combine synergestically (cooperating and interacting) to occupy those open wounds in the lower respiratory tract with every intake of breath, and invade the patents’s bloodstream. This dramatically increases the load of virulent organisms the patient’s immune system is called upon to fight. The alvioli, vitally important for oxygen, is occupied by fungi-visuses-bacteria and damaged with scar tissue, causing reduced oxygen exxchange ability.
3) Non-Cardiogenic Odema: Part of the body’s normal defence mechanism is to produce lymphatic fluid (odema), to heal the scar tissue, as well as for killer leucocytes to reach the multiple invader organisms. But the odema fluid (normally beneficial in a closed wound) now covers the alvoli, causing pneumonia, so that breathed in oxygen, cannot be exchanged into the patient’s bloodstream. Non-cardiogenic means the pumping action of the heart, so closely linked to the lungs, are not involved in the rising pneumonia. Now is the job of the hospitals ICU team, ET personnel, to battle to keep the patient alive.
4) Sepsis is a life-threatening illness caused by a multiple cascade of the body’s responses to an infection. It is an indicator of an overloaded, unstable immune system. The different organisms (Virus-bacterial-fungi) that entered the bloodstream in Phase two, are already in the rear of the defence (burst epithial lining) carried along within the patient’s circulating bloodstream to all parts of the body, causing sepsis and damage to multiple body organs. It takes only a few days (day 9 to 14) before the patient gets septaecemia (infection of the blood visible under the skin) and dies.
5) If the patient survives the lung trauma along with his life, the patient’s quality of life will be impaired, owing to some degree of reduced lung elasticity (like burnt rubber) also known as pulmonary fibrosis, and a 20 to 30 percent reduction in lung function, after recovery. (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3074988/coronavirus-some-recovered-patients-may-have)
Note: The coronavirus violently ruptures the defensive epithial cell lining, but could be taken care of by the patient’s immune system. The catastrophic damage is caused in the second phase by multiple opportunistic organisms (virus-bacteria-fungi) ordinarily part of the normal flora in the upper respiratory tract of the patient, which is able to swarm behind the ruptured ephithial area, and occupy and attack the sterile lung area and the bloodstream. One us unable to stop breathing them in.
This is a devilish way to attack the human body, with multiple disease vectors in multiple tiers, to get behind the defensive skin lining, into safe and sterile areas of the human body.
Dr Chuchalin is right, and he must be a doctor. There is no single medication, vaccine or clinical procedure which can stop it. There is an organisational way to reduce the R factor. China has done it.
I hope I have done justice to the interview content.
FranciscoX
“There is no single medication, vaccine or clinical procedure which can stop it.”
I’m totally unconvinced. Please read Dr Thomas Levy’s: “Curing the Incurable”:
https://www.amazon.com/Curing-Incurable-Vitamin-Infectious-Diseases/dp/0977952029
and you may very well come to another conclusion. Just vitamin C (preferable in lipospheric form to not need intravenous administration) can and will do the job.
You may want to combine vitamin C with high dosage of oral vitamin D3 (+K2) for a double whammy.
My other reply mentions stabilized allicin which all by itself should be more than enough to kill the virus and all opportunistic organisms dead. In the later stadia best administered with a nebulizer.
Most medical professionals have never looked an inch further than what Big Pharma has to offer.
Stay healthy!
Almost funny flu success videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au-mp6RZjCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKRP8bCvOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GApXBaZuw14
Correct; The orthomolecular medicine website also states that Chinese docs have used intravenous Vitamin C to cure patients of Coronavirus flu and have approved this treatment, with NO mortality
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/shanghai-government-officially-recommends-vitamin-c-covid-19.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMDX0RSDp1k&feature=emb_logo
Wow, very interesting indeed. And useful in at least understanding the complexity of treating the disease.
Anyone know whether this is legit: An scientific article from 2015 reporting results of lab work on coronavirus. https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1238951111882444800
Day #2 in California hot zone for my maybe virus. I have a rhinitis with massive runny nose/dry cough but temp is 97.4 usual for me. Is it allergies or Covid-19? I will never know until maybe it is too late ( lung fibrosis?, no way!)
Thanks to Scott and Dr. Chuchalin, instead of ignoring the cough, the first thing I did was take two puffs on my bronchdilator inhaler( albuterol), then I gargled now I am taking a nebulized 10-12 min breathing treatment with colloidal silver solution, 2gtts of food grade iodine and a solution of something which could get me jailed for 4 years in Looneylandia should I mention it. (all these are aimed at disrupting viral replication). Next,
will be 10 minutes of 77Hz frequency stimulation on the supra sternal notch with Scanar/Denas device. Will do this protocol 4x a day. Until I get more information on the hydrogen peroxide, I’m holding off on using it.
Eternal gratitude.
The translator or whoever conducted the interview seems to think (along with many ordinary people) that a quick passage of the illness is to be desired. But all strategies involving isolation and quarantine (which is inexorably becoming the adopted strategy everywhere, even where it has been opposed iup to now (even the the “herd immunity” countries like GB and USA) are aiming _not_ to keep the passage quick (by curtailing transmission) but the very opposite. It is to slow it down, so that the peak arrives over the summer months and lasts for months before slowly dropping by the end of the year or later.
The point is that epidemiologists and virologists are telling the decision-makers and health authorities that this phage is very much more infectious than “typical” flu viruses or sars/mers, that isolation won’t prevent near universal infection. Bear in mind that it has an infectious diameter of 20 to 60 metres (radius 10 to 30 metres). [Americans that’s more or less equivalent in yards.] Droplet-borne bacteria about 1-2 metres, many viruses up to 10 metres. That infected person walking 30 metres (100′) away… that neighbour three storeys above you.. that person on the other side of the shop…
Why slow it down, some may ask. The reason (given their expected near-universal infection) is to maximise survival by spreading the burden on medical resources (human, infrastructure and medication) over as extended a period as possible. The longer they can do that, the more care can be provided and the more lives will be saved. For the medics, a peak lasting several months would be the best case.
So two groups would like a quick passage: ordinary people, for obvious reasons: escape the fear and desperation, get back to life as before. And those groups who have a vested interest in _not_ keeping mortality to a minimum. There are enough pointers around about the who/why that I need not elaborate about this.
SARS-CoV seems to be a triple whammy. Not only it emulates SARS in targeting AT2 lung cells and ACE2-showing cells in the upper respiratory tract muscosa (upgraded compared to SARS by the initial period of mild symptoms while being highly contagious due to the prevalence in the upper respirator tract due to an unique S protein structure), it contains sequences from other viruses attacking Furine sites with some similarities to HIV cell entry mechanisms, causing severe immune suppression. Now it has been discovered that there is a third way to attack cells buildt into this multipathogen corona virus, at structure docking to GRP78 (https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-15157/v1) expressed by cells under stress on their surface, an infection method probably borrowed from Coxsackie B, a completely different virus family, also highly dangerous causing gastrointestinal distress, myocarditis or pericarditis, and aseptic meningitis. Increased GRP78 on cell surfaces is typical for diabetes, many tumors, Alzheimer, Parkinson and ALS.
This virological Swiss tools set seems to be perfect for Eugenics 3.0. Brave new world.
I think the important message is that the disease can be mitigated (note: I said mitigated, not treated) using heat and humidity. This is now officially a meme..
How I survived SARS
by Scott Humor
https://scotthumor.wordpress.com/2020/03/16/how-i-survived-sars/
Scott: it was so lucky that you had your Mother with her love and prayers to help you. Thanks for the story… the one about the vodka soaked rag sounds like a very good home remedy..Any favorite brand? ( Kidding) .I may have to go more low tech to help the people around me–the ones that will allow me to do so.
Most here are in the first stages of grief I realized….denial, anger and bargaining. So I am learning patience . Because of this blog I’ve been able to process much faster to acceptance so it is beholden upon me to be patient. Also, I solidified my own preventive treatment regime. And, yes, about American medical death industry–the last place I will be found is inside a hospital . I do have to negotiate for Albuterol inhalers, though. But not now.
The 85 year old Russian owners understood right away and within an hour after Trump announced a State of Emergency, they closed the clubhouse ( 3 days before the “shelter in place” advice started here in California) in this community of over 55’s. Some of the people here are trying to get them to reopen( pretty, please we promise to be good) it but the managers realize they have even more of a the legal basis to keep it closed so they are not compromising . Someone has a clue.
Meanwhile, today people are meeting in their homes to celebrate St. Pat’s day ( not with family–their kids are staying far away) but with each other. Well, I can understand this, too.
“Social distancing”. What an artificial, premeditated, lab made expression. It stands for Institutionalized fear. And fear is the true poison. It eats human heart.
Wow, thanks for the excellent translation, Mr. Humor. This realluy changes the way I look at this mess.
is there a chance that the weaker form of covid is being spread as a guerilla vaccination program for allies while the stronger form is used to hit the anglozionist’s enemies?
Achtung, Achtung!
Ten minutes Blitzkrieg against Corona panic – English subtitles:
Stunning insights into the Corona-panic by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_AyuhbnPOI
https://www.wodarg.com/
Thanks a lot for the video by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg. His viewpoint makes good sense to me. I just came back from Kerala in southern India. Kerala has less than 10 cases where the virus in question was detected in a population of 35 Million people, while the various news channels continue to blast out “Breaking News” based on these 10 cases.
Additionally, people are panicked by videos of ‘Chinese’ dropping down dead from the malady; there are videos on hordes of pigs being buried alive (the connection between the two have not been questioned by the viewers in this southern Indian state).
It is good to see experts like Dr. Wodarg calling out the ‘The Naked emperor’.
Collapse! The Coronavirus is about collapse — more than anything else.
It is a way the elites found to remove blame from themselves for the collapse of the economy and the problemas in the food-supply chain, which will result in high rates of mortality due to several reasons in times of collapse. There are many books and articles about this issue.
The Internet and food stores online, at the moment, in the UK, are overloaded and crashing, as people are trying to stock food for a month or so… But, if it is collapse, the problem will take much longer to be solved than just a few months… It seems we must prepare for a real callamity…
All the media scare is to separate reality from their fantasy world… We are not supposed to connect the dots…
Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists on the Origin of the Virus
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_87277.shtml
EXCERPTS
Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new CoronaVirus almost certainly originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.
Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.
We also had the Japanese citizens infected in September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.
Then, on Chinese social media, another article appeared, aware of the above but presenting further details. It stated in part that five “foreign” athletes or other personnel visiting Wuhan for the World Military Games (October 18-27, 2019) were hospitalised in Wuhan for an undetermined infection.
The article explains more clearly that the Wuhan version of the virus could have come only from the US because it is what they call a “branch” which could not have been created first because it would have no ‘seed’. It would have to have been a new variety spun off the original ‘trunk’, and that trunk exists only in the US.
Next, Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease expert at Georgetown University in Washington, said in an article in Science magazine that the first human infection has been confirmed as occurring in November 2019, (not in Wuhan), suggesting the virus originated elsewhere and then spread to the seafood markets. “One group put the origin of the outbreak as early as 18 September 2019.”
In this case, the Western media flooded their pages for months about the COVID-19 virus originating in the Wuhan seafood market, caused by people eating bats and wild animals. All of this has been proven wrong.
Not only did the virus not originate at the seafood market, it did not originate in Wuhan at all, and it has now been proven that it did not originate in China but was brought to China from another country.
Part of the proof of this assertion is that the genome varieties of the virus in Iran and Italy have been sequenced and declared to have no part of the variety that infected China and must, by definition, have originated elsewhere.
This would provide impetus for caution among the public in accepting the “official standard narrative” that the Western media are always so eager to provide – as they did with SARS, MERS, and ZIKA, all of which ‘official narratives’ were later proven to have been entirely wrong.
AND LET’S NOT FORGET . . .
A PANDEMIC IS DECLARED, BUT NOT FOR THE STARVING, THE
PREVENTABLE SICK, THE BLOCKADED, THE BOMBED
A pandemic has been declared, but not for the 24,600 who DIE !
EVERY ! DAY ! from unnecessary starvation, and not for 3,000
children who die every day from preventable malaria, and not for
the 10,000 people who die every day because they are denied
publicly-funded healthcare, and not for the hundreds of
Venezuelans and Iranians who die every day because America’s
blockade denies them life-saving medicines, and not for the
hundreds of mostly children bombed or starved to death every day
in Yemen, in a war supplied and kept going, profitably, by America
and Britain. Before you panic, consider them.
John Pilger
http://johnpilger.com/articles/a-pandemic-is-declared-but-not-for
-the-starving-the-preventable-sick-the-blockaded-the-bombed
I quote the writer: “There is more evidence that this is a certain kind of bat — the one that the Chinese eat”.
Please show evidence that the virus originated from a kind of bat that the Chinese eat? If not the writer is deliberately stigmatising the Chinese.
In fact there is a counter narrative that the virus originated somewhere outside China and planted in Wuhan by the usual suspects.
This is an excellent article along the lines of “just the facts, mam” about just what ‘social distancing ‘ is and how it has been used in the past with good results.
https://www.philstockworld.com/2020/03/14/covid19-is-an-exponential-threat-why-global-politicians-business-leaders-must-act-now/
A different take:
https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI
https://www.wodarg.com/?fbclid=IwAR3RMfqa8szPEbABKFaPQZhIf2VSPyP1kDVm7L74XAxq1UpagAyBm8wPD9k
some articles in German, the main point in english:
“Without PCR-Tests there would be no reason for special alarms
The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China’s cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.
Evidence based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media and ministries.
Until now, hardly anyone has paid attention to corona viruses. For example, in the annual reports of the Robert-Koch-Institute (RKI) they are only marginally mentioned because there was SARS in China in 2002 and because since 2012 some transmissions from dromedaries to humans have been observed in Arabia (MERS). There is nothing about a regularly recurring presence of corona viruses in dogs, cats, pigs, mice, bats and in humans, even in Germany.
However, children’s hospitals are usually well aware, that a considerable proportion of the often severe viral pneumonia is also regularly caused or accompanied by corona viruses worldwide.
Until now, hardly anyone has paid attention to corona viruses. For example, in the annual reports of the Robert-Koch-Institute (RKI) they are only marginally mentioned because there was SARS in China in 2002 and because since 2012 some transmissions from dromedaries to humans have been observed in Arabia (MERS). There is nothing about a regularly recurring presence of corona viruses in dogs, cats, pigs, mice, bats and in humans, even in Germany.
However, children’s hospitals are usually well aware, that a considerable proportion of the often severe viral pneumonia is also regularly caused or accompanied by corona viruses worldwide.
Until now, hardly anyone has paid attention to corona viruses. For example, in the annual reports of the Robert-Koch-Institute (RKI) they are only marginally mentioned because there was SARS in China in 2002 and because since 2012 some transmissions from dromedaries to humans have been observed in Arabia (MERS). There is nothing about a regularly recurring presence of corona viruses in dogs, cats, pigs, mice, bats and in humans, even in Germany.
However, children’s hospitals are usually well aware, that a considerable proportion of the often severe viral pneumonia is also regularly caused or accompanied by corona viruses worldwide.”
Thank you for the translation. Gurgling with salt water has been a long and successful tradition as well as garlic and onions. The dicovery of Vit D is more recent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yVGmfivAk
Anyone else realise that no-one, (no-one who matters, that is – not govt, not health depts, not doctors, not experts, not anyone who knows or (at least) should know this stuff) …. is reminding us that “the common cold” is …. drum roll trumpet blast…. Coronavirus. And not to worry – every few years an extra little bad dose comes along. Happened before – will happen happen again – ‘cos that’s what Coronavirus does. (Bangkok flu – Singapore flu – blah blah)
And before anyone wants to play hop, skip and jump with me – here’s a nice source that says “Oh yeah – those powers that be do know!”
“Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV).”
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus
And all this is an interesting demonstration (is it not) of how easily govts (viz. vaunted Western democracies) can now kettle people in their houses, keep them from gathering (to conspire + protest against said govts,) even lock down entire countries! – and enforce … ‘civil obedience’ …
(Psst … And all without a single gun shot – or tank – in sight.)
Thank you dear Saker for posting this, very helpful. I would say that all this and the three wave attack is valid for most cold/sinus infection causing viruses.
I just found out about ID2020. If you don’t know about it please do a search for it on the net. Here is one good link:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavirus-causes-effects-real-danger-agenda-id2020/5706153
Basically we are looking at the global elite officially planning for an electronic nanotech id within the human body, for each person in this world.
And, please pay attention to this, delivered via VACCINES!
Well, how can you get EVERYBODY on board with this? By scarring the shit out of all! If you oppose them, here is what happens:
http://www.renegadetribune.com/university-vice-president-fired-for-going-against-mass-hysteria/
God help us all!
Just an interesting result from interviews with German patients tested positive on Covid-19 (Bonn virologist Hendrik Streeck): About 70% of the interviewed (predominantly “mild cases”) reported the loss of smell and taste for a few days in the later phase of infection.
Thanks, Saker for posting the article & thanks, Scott, for the actual interview + translation.
Scott, if you’re monitoring the thread, or anyone else:
Near the end of the interview Chuchalin responds, “A: There are inhaled steroids. But there are patients with asthma who are ill and are on this therapy.”
Is he saying that inhaled steroids are a no-no with CV (just above that he discusses corticosteriods) or is he saying that “custom” inhaled steroids are OK?
Thanks for any clarification anyone might provide
I’m no Doctor, but maybe someone out there is? Check out this drug “Interferon alfa-2b” developed in Cuba which is as I understand now being deployed in China and Italy to treat this coronavirus. World’s savior perhaps?
The virus statistics are a hoax & here’s the proof:
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
and
http://www.corona.film dr Wolfgang Wodarg
Thank you for the links.
Dr. Wolfgang Wodag is imho rather lighthearted in spreading his theories.
He is specialized in lung deseases but he is no virologist.
The best is still to strengthen your immunsystem by eating the right food (fresh food, lots of onions and garlic, both raw, enpugh movement and a reasonable intake of Vit D.
I have been taking Vit D3/ K2 drops since 8 years. Living in the north i take 6.000 I.U. during summer and 8 to 10 000 I.U. during winter each day. The normal recommendation in Germany is 1.000 I.U. per day which is far too little. Everytime i get a blood test, called 25OHD the doctor says my Vit D level – which is that of a californian life guard exposed to the sun most of the day – is much too high but i am alright. Although i belong to the age group being on risque to catch the virus i am ok – till now. Keeping distance, wearing surgical gloves but no mask and washing hands thoroughly is all i do.
May you all stay healthy.
Alternative viewpoints must be taken seriously, if there is logic to the arguments. Dr. Wodard’s point is about ‘selection bias’. The CoVID tests are done mostly on patients; this biases the data. The scientific method demands conclusions from appropriate tests. What data proves that the patients who died did so because of the said virus? No one has done this.
Last day, a 78-year old German died during in a palliative care center from the final stages of cancer. He was tested for CoVID a few days ago, and the results came positive after his death. He is the 52th Corona dead in Germany. Did CoVID cause his death or did the cancer? Is anybody even trying to find out.
There are a few other voices that speak about the ‘selection bias’ in the CoVID issue. Take some time to watch the arguments of Dr. Bhakdi, another physician from Germany or Prof. Ionnadis from Stanford.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=JBB9bA-gXL4&feature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJEJBKiBVlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MARVdS-pHdQ
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
Read this!!!!!
“The president of the Italian Higher Institute, Silvio Brusaferro, said that medical records indicate: “There may be only two people who died from coronavirus in Italy, who did not present other pathologies.” He acknowledged that the average age of death was over 80 years old and that the majority of them had serious chronic diseases. He said that only about 100 medical records have come from the hospitals throughout Italy. The entire country of 60-million people has been locked down despite the fact that the majority who died actually expired from other diseases that have nothing to do with Covid-19.” -GEG
https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/corona-bologna-the-truth-begins-to-leak-out-in-italy-the-overwhelming-majority-of-deaths-are-linked-to-other-illnesses/
then go here and listen and watch the incredible 13 and 33 of freemasonry activities? Believe me you will never look at the world the same ever again!!!! Its all scripted as per their numerology.
https://youtu.be/7_iFwp36BRg
Anti-malaria drugs appear to be working!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub?fbclid=IwAR3HXmAaRvsKQwtD4mT0W6NU4bTJvZnR6f3KLRcsWkXSOGn33dbdR1KyS0Q
So if anti-malaria drugs are good at stopping covid-19 you would expect countries with malaria (and hence lots of people on quinine etc) would have less covid-19 and vice versa.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12YDytbAsZaruGlhFO7eTTgxSH_BuxJtwFmbhqpkPPSk/mobilebasic?fbclid=IwAR2wXhG5woobpV5DAuHxnf7YOxalQiCkPMX-rUL2z6SIa0AJGovbJ9ATq7A
This looks promising. Forget the toilet paper. Everyone stock up on quinine!
Chloroquine works, but not because is an anti-malaria drug, so not every anti-malaria drug is antiviral.
Chloroquine is a zinc ionophore, letting zinc ions pass into the cells. Cells don’t want too much zinc inside because it can do serious damage, so be aware of side effects. Inside the cells zinc inhibits the activation of the virus RNA. There are many other zinc ionophores beside chloroquine, but chloroquine is cheap and has a long history. There are also natural zinc ionophores like quercetin (a plant flavanol).
Most foods contain enough zinc and the body is busy to get rid of the excess amount, so no need for supplements.
(One) Source: “Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update 35 with pulmonologist & critical care specialist Roger Seheult, MD” with some additional links:
https://youtu.be/vE4_LsftNKM
Chloroquine is used in South Korea and in China against CV.
Trump mentioned it yesterday. The pharmaceutical industry is not amused because it is cheap (generics), I would not be surprised if they’ll try to impeach him for this :)
Wow! Very good translation. Thanks.
I would never shove anything up my nose, fluids or otherwise, since a doctor warned me about the triangle of death, that area of your face where there is a connection between the venous system and your brain.
Your nasal passages are designed to drain out, not have fluid forced in.
Very interesting lecture on viruses and pandemics on youtube. Instead of being reactive, why are we not proactive? Maybe all these remedies wouldn’t be needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se9yqWNIG8A