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I read your Clandestine Warfare of the 21st Century. It’s difficult reading because it’s a form of warfare in itself. More lies wrapped in mind-numbing jargon which tends to make me sick if I take in too much of it.
When I first saw the words Clandestine Warfare I thought of the hidden war that’s been going on for 75,000 years in this dispensation. I’m talking about the killing and eating of animals. Most good people think it is Off Topic and a irritant to keep bringing up. Such denial illustrates the very idea of clandestine.
I think that killing and/or eating animals is one of the chief causes of war. We are animals ourselves so we end up killing ourselves which is exactly what is happening. This fact is so clandestine that it is invisible.
Eating animals in visible but its causing wars is invisible which suits empires just fine. Color revolutions come and go but the color of blood stains remains.
Empires need blood lust and sacrifice to power their machine. In our tender hearted age, most of this has gone underground, surfacing now and then in symptoms such as ISIS which displays openly what we do covertly; or in meat eating which betrays covertly what we do openly.
I’m glad to see you are into analysis and intelligence. I am too but I like to go deeper to get sustainable results.
Suppose Russia wins this war. But the clandestine war is left in place. We go on killing animals. How long will it take til the animals take their revenge once again and we find another war to kill ourselves?
» I read your Clandestine Warfare of the 21st Century. It’s difficult reading because it’s a form of warfare in itself. More lies wrapped in mind-numbing jargon which tends to make me sick if I take in too much of it. «
Have to agree here. The lingo is rather abstract, has a plastic feel to it, and is hard to grasp. Net-Centric Warfare, Effect-Based Operation … Why invent these terms, or adopt them from an undeclared origin? What’s wrong with plain English?
How can you trust folks who use unclear vocabulary? Even badly crafted vocabulary? Last time I checked a network was not a center (although it had nodes) and an effect was not a base (but it does imply a cause).
Also, why does the text give credence to the gas chamber hoax?
In the US particularly there just are no good substitutes for meat. In Europe there are better choices and it is only in asia that you find better vegetarian dishes. The middle east is also mostly meat and a lot more than even the US as vegies cost a lot more. How would this change? I rarely eat meat and I been cutting down for a couple of decades now but to be healthy vegetarians you also have to take supplements. So I eat meat like once every couple of months or so. Actually by now the smell of meat makes me nauseous but that leaves very few places to eat out. Sea food also makes me nauseous so red lobster is out as well.. There are veggie pizzas which taste good.. But over all I have found my food variety has drastically declined and much harder now. This would be a huge change for most people.. They might not think it but it would be impossible for most people to cut back their meat intake by much. Entire cultures and society would have to change.
Actually so much in the world has to change, I just don’t see it happening.. Food is only one of the problems. Relationships, ethics, morals, behavior, it also is inter connected. My friend who is very sick could not stand it any more.. Even after a couple of operations, he should have known better but I guess when I said it is difficult and hard, I was not kidding, he went and ate a hamburger and coke.. So he needed to have another surgery.. Knowing he is so sick he is a pure vegetarian now and his life is in danger but even then people just cant resist.. Although I am not forced to control my diet I resist the temptation most of the time.. Nausea helps in controlling it.. And he said he don’t like the smell either but then I wonder why he did it and made himself sick again. I don’t even think there are any ready meals without meat.. I never seen any other than fried beans and such.
And don’t think vegetarians don’t get fat or get diseases and such.. It is much rarer than meat eater but they also all have the same problems. Fruits are more healthy but not if you have diabetes..
I suppose you are referring to we should grow our meat.. They have already done it. But it is far more expensive than growing animals. But the meat is not bloody like many people like their steak.. So again we come to.. changing behavior and all that..
Good points.
Animal killing and eating is a long-standing and complex problem which will take a long time to solve. It does not stand alone but intersects with many other dysfunctional cultural currents.
The logical connection to war is clear to me.
I’m 76. Up until about 50 I was a heavy meat eater. Over the years I’ve gradually changed. I’m in reasonably good health for my age.
There are meats of various types. Where to draw the line? I draw it more or less where the intelligent ancients drew it. If an animal has eyes and red blood like us, don’t eat it; it’s too close to eating ourselves. I eat canned oysters and clams but lately have been wondering if I can further clean my consciousness by cutting down there. It takes a lot of work and trial and error but I think it’s worth it.
But YPG now using 85K javelins.. better than TOW? to destroy second hand IS trucks costing 5K.. woohoo.. its goud to be rich..
ATGM bounces off T-90 -Shock: anti-tank missile beating of invisible protection BMP – YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXJv2JNB3vo
Assad on a fishing trip..
https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/702874636367896578
Another attack again..
ISIS suffers devastating defeat at Deir Ezzor Airport: 30+ … http://bit.ly/1QhuNjo
NEW MAP: #SAA liberated Khanaser and continues the counteroffensive. Aleppo Syria HD: https://imgur.com/gEBm2Uz pic.twitter.com/xIhdnXV0f9
Situation in #Aleppo #Khanaser road, #SAA #Hezbollah have launched op against #ISIS
HD: https://t.co/wtADmGbEq5
Turkish government co-operated with al-Qaeda in Syria, says former US ambassador https://t.co/mphCLAQrgg
IR/Laser warning/jamming device on Syrian T-72M1 used against IS near khanasser https://t.co/fDeH3tvDsW
Always Plan C from mars..
Kerry: Iran has withdrawn Guards from Syria http://bit.ly/1WLDM05
Car bomb video in HOMS
https://t.co/Vwfef4FR6e
hmmm more bases, always more bases.. Plan D…
The price to fight #ISIS and the mistakes of #Iran in Iraq.
#Baghdad sources: #USA is planning to build new military bases in #Iraq.
Enjoy the slow fall of the EU Junta…
“We Are Heading Into Anarchy”: Official Says EU Will “Completely Break Down In 10 Days”
….Solberg is effectively prepared to turn everyone away and go into lockdown mode should everything fall apart completely, causing Europe to descend into some kind of lawless, Hobbesian, free-for-all.
If that sounds far-fetched or hyperbolic consider that on Thursday, EU migration commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos warned that the bloc has just 10 days to implement a plan that will bring about “tangible and clear results on the ground” or else “the whole system will completely break down.”…
On March 7, officials will attend a summit with Turkey where buy in from Ankara is critical if there’s to be meaningful reduction in the flow of asylum seekers to Western Europe. Leaked documents recently showed President Erdogan is essentially attempting to blackmail Europe. “We can open the doors to Greece and Bulgaria at any time. We can put them on busses,” he was quoted as saying, during a conversation with European Commissioner Jean Claude Juncker and President of the European Council Donald Tusk on 16th November 2015 during the G20 Summit in Antalya.
Poor little Sultan…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-25/we-are-heading-anarchy-official-says-eu-will-completely-break-down-10-days
Check out what’s shaping up.
Anyone but Bueller who thinks this truce will even go into effect at all on Saturday, raise your hand.
Did Mr. Ed just score another starry-eyed optimist?
Saudi forces in Turkey for air campaign in Syria
Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:19PM
More than two dozen Saudi Air Force personnel and a cargo of military equipment have arrived in Turkey to prepare for a joint air campaign in Syria.
Turkish media said on Thursday that some 30 officers had arrived onboard two C-130 military cargo planes at Incirlik military airbase south of Turkey two days ago.
The military personnel are expected to prepare for the deployment of Saudi fighter jets which are due to arrive in Turkey in the coming hours.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/25/452317/Saudi-jets-Turkey-Syria
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/26/452377/Obama-Assad
US President Barack Obama has once again renewed his call for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step down, saying there is no alternative to his removal.
He also called on Russia and the Syrian government to honor a negotiated ceasefire in the war-torn country, warning Moscow and Damascus that the “world will be watching.”
So the ayatollah Obama is skeptical the truce will hold… He should know since he financed and planned the entire thing to start with. Oh look over there.. Putin breaking the truce again, bombed US forces, 2 killed… Vee vill teach dem ruskies!!! Ve just need to hang on until their economy collapses before ours does.. Time to call janet to pump up the jam again.
Yummy yummy its turkey for din din.. dark meat.. well cooked over an open fire..
Turkish F-16 spotted near the #Latakia border where SAA with RuAF CAS is attempting to take full control of the province
Syria-n Opposition: At least 97 factions have agreed to partake in the cessation of hostilities which will begin on 27 February
Ran out of tape? red tape.. or Kerry just ran out of guile?
rocket used by IS in yesterday’s chemical attack on Sinjar city
https://twitter.com/Matthew__Barber/status/703120136459276288
SAA have entered NW Idlib countryside after taking control of Ain Al-Bayda
https://twitter.com/BTelawy/status/702988907172986884
SyAAF drop leaflets on Daraya Damascus “Path of security/peace is better than war/destruction”
IS lost at least 65 fighters as a result of SAA counter-offensive to regain Khanaser
SAA lost 60 and IRGC around 15..
Wont see this in the USA or Europe.. But its Iraqi’s protesting against corruption..
https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/status/703185638225383424
In blue the areas of Syria where ceasefire will be implemented according to @mod_russia
https://t.co/b20ehuazNZ
Current Syria Truce Deal ceasefire zones according to @mod_russia pic.twitter.com/wwXG0RqE5F
https://twitter.com/WarfareWW/status/702821500173291520
Terrorists in Northern Lattakia Countryside have received a new shipment of Grad rockets via Turkey (25/02/2016)
https://twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/702873713780260864
Showing RuAF the finger! Go ahead bomb us big boi.. Vee stay at the MSF hospital DT idlib..
Pro JN & anti-ceasefire demonstrations in Binnish & Maaret Nu’man Idlib Syria
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/703197084329979905
There’s something to all this “network-based” stuff, but less than meets the eye. People tend to go overboard with concepts they see as new. This “network-centric warfare” approach is not really so much different from “propaganda” (including “black propaganda”, ie planted false information coming from pretend sources). It is different, it brings new elements, is more decentralized and crosses borders more easily than old propaganda, but in a way “network-centric warfare” mostly means something along the lines of “Holy cow, black propaganda just got way easier to do!”
Now that I think of it, it also has a lot to do with Antonio Gramsci’s theories of hegemony–the notion that rulers rule for as long as they can successfully get the public to buy, to internalize, their ideas, ideas that legitimize the system and those at the top of it. As such, hegemony isn’t so much about having soldiers able to wield violence and keep one physically in control, it’s about being able to control the consciousness of the masses so they don’t perceive the alternatives that would involve the current elite not being in control. As such, successful revolution requires breaking the hold the hegemon’s ideas have over people, in favour of new ideas–in Gramsci’s case, hoping for ideas that empower the people rather than any elite. But this is not something he saw as brand new, and he was writing before the internet anyway. It all just goes faster now–both the spreading tentacles of control, and the resistance to it.
One of the major problems, or at least limitation, I see is implicit in the article. On one hand, “effects-based operations” are supposed to have completely unlimited ability to mould consciousness. On the other, it notes that the results are objectively to the disadvantage of those affected. And there’s the rub. There’s still a world outside the network.
The network, with its horizontal dissemination of information, works readily in the fluid, decentralized, often non-hierarchical way it does because of the nature of the “goods” involved. That is, information, which is free to transport and copy. On the positive side of the coin, this means there is a drastically reduced barrier to sharing, which allows things like open source software. “Can I have that piece of information?” “Sure, here’s a copy.” On the negative side, there is a drastically reduced cost to disseminating propaganda, deceit and so on, and for that matter falsifying information about the source of same.
But meatspace still exists. And most of what’s fundamentally important still exists there: Food, shelter, weapons, sex, the gizmos that allow the networks in the first place, et cetera. And those goods remain scarce, non-copyable and so on. And they create objective conditions which can be better or worse. Lest we forget, those are the conditions those operating the net-centric warfare are trying to change, to make them better for the perpetrators and worse for the victims. Which brings us to those victims: An essential limitation of propaganda and net-centric warfare is that if they’re told (not so much told–put in an information environment that overall leads them to feel) on the net that doing things X way and thinking Y way is wonderful and will lead to great things, and then in the physical world it leads to everything turning to crap, they will start to think something is wrong with their information. This leads to backlash, blowback; everyone here can think of plenty of examples. Sometimes this can be contained, steered and so on, but control is imperfect and still leads to the next iteration of resistance.
So taking for instance Syriza–you had European neoliberal elites crashing the country. Now, this is a country where neoliberal capitalist ideas were strong, where identification with the concept of Europe was strong, where they wanted to make it and do like the North. In short, hegemony, net-centric warfare, all that stuff was pretty effective. But after a few years of Europe insisting on throwing them into the garburator, protest became huge and turned into social movements, the splintered sectarian left either got its act together or got left behind, and Syriza grew out of it. Syriza got used or co-opted, the leadership threw in the towel or turned traitor; so far so more or less good for net-centric warfare . . . but the story hasn’t ended. The Greeks are still mad as hell, and there are ongoing efforts to basically build the next Syriza, except more radical and more co-optation-proof next time. Will they manage it? Who knows? But lots of them have a pretty good idea what was done to them, and all of them are still noticing the handbasket Europe stuffed them in and its downward itinerary. The reality of imposed poverty cannot be erased by informational warfare.
A secondary limitation is that this stuff is not and cannot by its nature be practised perfectly. Ads don’t always get people to buy. Some ads are lousy. Net-centric information-planting by a loose coalition of horizontally-linked formal and informal propagandists and their unknowing dupes is worse–there’s no way to keep the damn stuff perfectly on message. It’s a huge game of telephone except it goes in all directions at once and half the participants aren’t even trying to keep the message straight, they want to introduce their own ideas. The fine control the article talks about is impossible; about all that can be managed is making certain core broad-brush ideas pervasive (eg “free markets good”) so that they influence discussion about everything else. Things more specific than that still operate pretty much like classic propaganda and subversion; if “Effects-based operations” really worked in the pervasive way claimed for them, there wouldn’t be any distinct “Colour Revolutions” with money poured into NGOs recruiting and training people and leaning on the media to say things and so on–something like a “Colour Revolution” would just happen organically because people would just be thinking the way the net-centric warriors wanted them to. But they don’t.
So yeah. I’m not saying it’s a useless concept. This stuff is happening, no doubt. But it’s not as complete a break from the past as some think, IMO.
Erdoğan’s office criticizes US bill calling Muslim Brotherhood terrorist
FEB 26
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s aide and spokesperson İbrahim Kalın has criticized a bill approved on Wednesday by the US House of Representatives Judiciary Committee that calls on the US Department of State to designate the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization.
Speaking in a press conference on Friday, Kalın said the committee’s decision is “thought provoking,” adding that Turkey will continue to follow the process closely.
http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_erdogans-office-criticizes-us-bill-calling-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist_413389.html
http://www.generationaldynamics.com/ww2010/g130823b.jpg
IT’S VOTE DAY!!!!
Mr. Bean & teddy bear waiting in line to vote..
https://twitter.com/RanaHarbi/status/703314528205828096/photo/1
Sheesh!!! blondes waiting in line to vote.. They drove themselves.. good heavens to purgatory.. they should be staying home in the kitchen like other women across the lake.. and they lack the hawk nose..
https://twitter.com/RanaHarbi/status/703319109853802496
Peace has decented on Syria.. Fighting now only in north south east and west of Aleppo and north west east and south of Damascus and north south west and east of dz.. Only al ciada, nursa, ypg, saa, IS, NDF, SDF and fsa are still fighting..