2) ISIS claim and video?
The video released by ISIS closley matches flightradar24 data, but other than saying they had caused the crash, ISIS gave no specifics.
A) because an ISIS rep was told to be in a certain place at a certain time and video a certain plane?
B) because video was passed on to an ISIS rep for distribution to the public under the ISIS brand?
C) because ISIS planted the bomb but wishes to keep channels open for future bomb placements?
Egypt would not want the cause to be a bomb
A) economy/tourists
B) possible involvement of Egyptian officials.
Russia will not say anything until all investigations are complete and if bomb was the cause, until culprits are captured/killed?
US wants it to be known the aircraft was bombed, hence the leak. In when the colour section of the ISIS video is slowed down or stopped, a fireball can be seen as the aircraft flies through the blast mist. Atomised/vaporised fuel igniting? The fireball is possibly what was picked up by US satellites?
Those were my thoughts as well (if it was an attack).And I think the “key” may be the video you mentioned. If true that the video is real,then I think its almost 100% certain it was attacked.No matter what any “report” will say.No terrorist group is going to “randomly” have their people video a plane out of the blue.Just hoping that it “might” explode in the air.If the video is real,then they did the attack.If its not real,then we are back to not knowing for certain.
At the Washington Institute for Near East Policy on Tuesday, Lahur Talabani, the head of the Kurdish Zanyari intelligence service, said the raid instead ended up freeing Arab members of the Naqshbandi Army, a Baathist group formed of former high-ranking intelligence and military officers loyal to Saddam Hussein. The people they released were former Baathists and people from the Naqshbandi Army.” the Islamic State has counted on collaboration from many Baathists as well, who are largely fellow Sunni Muslims.
Talabani said the Hawija raid was run entirely without his knowledge by a rival security service known as the Directorate of Counter-Terrorism, under the auspices of a son of Massoud Barzani, the current president of the Kurdistan Regional Government. “They are trying to create another counterterrorism organization now with the help of the Americans
So………….. Russia has now delivered new generation air to air missiles for their Syrian jets..
So to confront the US no fly zone?
Russia has delivered missile defense systems to Syria in order to prevent the possibility of Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft from being stolen, as well as to return fire, Russian Aerospace Forces Commander Viktor Bondarev said Thursday.
For example, the stealing of a warplane in a neighboring country with Syria or having to return fire. We need to be prepared for that,” Bondarev told Russia’s Komsomolskaya Pravda daily in an interview.
“For example, the stealing of a warplane in a neighboring country with Syria or having to return fire.”
I think there could be more to that statement than it seems.From his words I don’t think he meant someone stealing a Russian plane.I think he means if a NATO plane is “stolen” (more likely given or mis-used) and used against Russian forces.And the Russians destroy it,they (and NATO) can claim it wasn’t NATO attacking Russia.But instead “some bad-guys stole the plane”.It gives them both claims of deniability,to prevent a war between them from having to break out.
Oh now terrorists know how to fly modern fighter jets? That’s not exactly like flying a Cessna. I think anyone who reads it would take it as an action to you try to implement a no fly zone and we have the missiles to shoot down your jets. We already know the Russian fleet already had S300’s on their ships. And the Su30’s had short and long range air to air missiles. The Syrians although did not have any modern missiles capable of shooting down jets. We saw the terrorists trying to use old missiles to just shoot randomly by shooting it in a general direction to use a terror weapons.
I also wonder what the moderate opposition is doing everyday by shooting mortars into Damascus.. There is no way to aim them but just fire them randomly fire them into civilian areas.. Those are no moderates.. Maybe moderate terrorists.. the LTTE was a moderate opposition, they blew up a lot of military targets, There is a huge disconnect here when the west wants something or not, they labeled the LTTE as a terrorist when followers decided to assassinate the PM (???) of india.. By not even a member of the group but just a follower.. The same law in the US where you can get the death penalty by just being part of gang who does violence. Lots of double talk and actions here. If you can categorize a group because someone who is connected just by region or politics or what not then that should apply to everyone. But we just saw that vile guy in the dog house say they can do things, anything.. because they are exceptional and the law just don’t apply to them.
“moderate’ opposition al-nusrah has used home made chlorine bombs
“”The militia of the famous group” The Eagles of the desert “with the support of the entire government army last week stormed the position« Jabhat al-Nusra “near Slonfen. When the army artillery managed to hit a few important goals of militants, including the headquarters bunker and over ten “jihad machines” (pickup trucks with machine guns in the back), in response to the position of the militias rained bottles with chlorine, “- said Yuri Ivanov.
Well, later the fighters’ Desert Eagles “cleared the height at which the defense held the” moderate opposition »” Jabhat al-Nusra. ” It was found storage tanks that have not had time to use the militants and destroyed a homemade mortar shell hit. Many soldiers were burns the throat and lungs.
The victims, some militia, were taken to hospital.” http://www.anna-news.info/node/46267
google translate
RI has extensive article re validity of Syrian democratic forces
Anyone who executes other minorities is not moderate anything. This is just a terrorist arm of the free Syrian army that gets paid a lot so they can say it was not them. But then we see the not so free terrorist army put women on top of buildings in cages.
“The deployment of US military forces in Syria, carried out against Damascus’ will, could be qualified as “an act of war” against the Syrian sovereign state, Patrick J. Buchanan warned.
Regardless of repeated vows not to deploy US military forces in Syria, US President Barack Obama is sending 50 Special Ops troops to Syria, with more to follow, American conservative commentator Patrick J. Buchanan notes.
Meanwhile, with guns blazing, the Pentagon has deployed famous A-10 “warthog” attack planes in Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, close to Syria.
A chorus of American neocons accompanied by US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, US Senator John McCain and General David Petraeus are urging Obama to establish a ‘no-fly zone’ and a ‘safe zone’ in Syria.
“Yet, if we put US forces onto sovereign Syrian territory, against the will and resistance of that government, that is an act of war,” US conservative political commentator and publicist Patrick Buchanan stressed in his article for Information Clearing House.
The truth of the matter is that the US president has begun an escalation into Syria’s civil war, and not only against the infamous Islamic State and al-Nusra Front, but against the Syrian Arab Army, Buchanan pointed out.”
Sinai plane crash.
1) No bomb?
2) ISIS claim and video?
The video released by ISIS closley matches flightradar24 data, but other than saying they had caused the crash, ISIS gave no specifics.
A) because an ISIS rep was told to be in a certain place at a certain time and video a certain plane?
B) because video was passed on to an ISIS rep for distribution to the public under the ISIS brand?
C) because ISIS planted the bomb but wishes to keep channels open for future bomb placements?
Egypt would not want the cause to be a bomb
A) economy/tourists
B) possible involvement of Egyptian officials.
Russia will not say anything until all investigations are complete and if bomb was the cause, until culprits are captured/killed?
US wants it to be known the aircraft was bombed, hence the leak. In when the colour section of the ISIS video is slowed down or stopped, a fireball can be seen as the aircraft flies through the blast mist. Atomised/vaporised fuel igniting? The fireball is possibly what was picked up by US satellites?
Those were my thoughts as well (if it was an attack).And I think the “key” may be the video you mentioned. If true that the video is real,then I think its almost 100% certain it was attacked.No matter what any “report” will say.No terrorist group is going to “randomly” have their people video a plane out of the blue.Just hoping that it “might” explode in the air.If the video is real,then they did the attack.If its not real,then we are back to not knowing for certain.
Christopher Bollyn has an interesting article re the plane crash.
http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_15282
@ Babushka in Oz
Thanks for the link. Very, very interesting!
At the Washington Institute for Near East Policy on Tuesday, Lahur Talabani, the head of the Kurdish Zanyari intelligence service, said the raid instead ended up freeing Arab members of the Naqshbandi Army, a Baathist group formed of former high-ranking intelligence and military officers loyal to Saddam Hussein. The people they released were former Baathists and people from the Naqshbandi Army.” the Islamic State has counted on collaboration from many Baathists as well, who are largely fellow Sunni Muslims.
Talabani said the Hawija raid was run entirely without his knowledge by a rival security service known as the Directorate of Counter-Terrorism, under the auspices of a son of Massoud Barzani, the current president of the Kurdistan Regional Government. “They are trying to create another counterterrorism organization now with the help of the Americans
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-03/kurdish-intelligence-chief-says-deadly-raid-freed-baathists
Ain’t that something!
So………….. Russia has now delivered new generation air to air missiles for their Syrian jets..
So to confront the US no fly zone?
Russia has delivered missile defense systems to Syria in order to prevent the possibility of Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft from being stolen, as well as to return fire, Russian Aerospace Forces Commander Viktor Bondarev said Thursday.
For example, the stealing of a warplane in a neighboring country with Syria or having to return fire. We need to be prepared for that,” Bondarev told Russia’s Komsomolskaya Pravda daily in an interview.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151105/1029619466/russian-missile-systems-syria.html
“For example, the stealing of a warplane in a neighboring country with Syria or having to return fire.”
I think there could be more to that statement than it seems.From his words I don’t think he meant someone stealing a Russian plane.I think he means if a NATO plane is “stolen” (more likely given or mis-used) and used against Russian forces.And the Russians destroy it,they (and NATO) can claim it wasn’t NATO attacking Russia.But instead “some bad-guys stole the plane”.It gives them both claims of deniability,to prevent a war between them from having to break out.
Oh now terrorists know how to fly modern fighter jets? That’s not exactly like flying a Cessna. I think anyone who reads it would take it as an action to you try to implement a no fly zone and we have the missiles to shoot down your jets. We already know the Russian fleet already had S300’s on their ships. And the Su30’s had short and long range air to air missiles. The Syrians although did not have any modern missiles capable of shooting down jets. We saw the terrorists trying to use old missiles to just shoot randomly by shooting it in a general direction to use a terror weapons.
I also wonder what the moderate opposition is doing everyday by shooting mortars into Damascus.. There is no way to aim them but just fire them randomly fire them into civilian areas.. Those are no moderates.. Maybe moderate terrorists.. the LTTE was a moderate opposition, they blew up a lot of military targets, There is a huge disconnect here when the west wants something or not, they labeled the LTTE as a terrorist when followers decided to assassinate the PM (???) of india.. By not even a member of the group but just a follower.. The same law in the US where you can get the death penalty by just being part of gang who does violence. Lots of double talk and actions here. If you can categorize a group because someone who is connected just by region or politics or what not then that should apply to everyone. But we just saw that vile guy in the dog house say they can do things, anything.. because they are exceptional and the law just don’t apply to them.
“moderate’ opposition al-nusrah has used home made chlorine bombs
“”The militia of the famous group” The Eagles of the desert “with the support of the entire government army last week stormed the position« Jabhat al-Nusra “near Slonfen. When the army artillery managed to hit a few important goals of militants, including the headquarters bunker and over ten “jihad machines” (pickup trucks with machine guns in the back), in response to the position of the militias rained bottles with chlorine, “- said Yuri Ivanov.
Well, later the fighters’ Desert Eagles “cleared the height at which the defense held the” moderate opposition »” Jabhat al-Nusra. ” It was found storage tanks that have not had time to use the militants and destroyed a homemade mortar shell hit. Many soldiers were burns the throat and lungs.
The victims, some militia, were taken to hospital.”
http://www.anna-news.info/node/46267
google translate
RI has extensive article re validity of Syrian democratic forces
http://russia-insider.com/en/new-us-backed-syrian-anti-isis-alliance-fiction/ri10959
Anyone who executes other minorities is not moderate anything. This is just a terrorist arm of the free Syrian army that gets paid a lot so they can say it was not them. But then we see the not so free terrorist army put women on top of buildings in cages.
“The deployment of US military forces in Syria, carried out against Damascus’ will, could be qualified as “an act of war” against the Syrian sovereign state, Patrick J. Buchanan warned.
Regardless of repeated vows not to deploy US military forces in Syria, US President Barack Obama is sending 50 Special Ops troops to Syria, with more to follow, American conservative commentator Patrick J. Buchanan notes.
Meanwhile, with guns blazing, the Pentagon has deployed famous A-10 “warthog” attack planes in Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, close to Syria.
A chorus of American neocons accompanied by US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, US Senator John McCain and General David Petraeus are urging Obama to establish a ‘no-fly zone’ and a ‘safe zone’ in Syria.
“Yet, if we put US forces onto sovereign Syrian territory, against the will and resistance of that government, that is an act of war,” US conservative political commentator and publicist Patrick Buchanan stressed in his article for Information Clearing House.
The truth of the matter is that the US president has begun an escalation into Syria’s civil war, and not only against the infamous Islamic State and al-Nusra Front, but against the Syrian Arab Army, Buchanan pointed out.”
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151105/1029650691/us-special-ops-troops-syria-war-buchanan.html#ixzz3qdKE6uKD
US is now using A-10s and spectre gunships in Syria.
http://www.defense.gov/News-Article-View/Article/627719/us-aided-syrian-forces-complete-successful-anti-isil-military-actions
“Friday’s announcement mentioned deploying A-10 [Thunderbolt II]’s and F-15s to Incirlik Air Base in Turkey. Those A-10s, along with an [AC-130] Spectre gunship, were among the platforms that provided the air power for this action,” Warren said.