By Ramin Mazaheri for The Saker Blog and Cross Posted with PressTV
Many people have been quite shocked by Iran’s response to the tragic, mistaken downing of a Ukraine International Airlines flight.
Iran’s President Rouhani said, “I will never apologise for Iran – I don’t care what the facts are.” Tehran plans to never apologise, admit wrongdoing nor to accept responsibility.
All of the Iranian soldiers involved were awarded Combat Action Ribbons, the air-warfare coordinator received a Commendation Medal and the commanding officer was awarded the Legion of Merit for “exceptionally meritorious conduct”.
No one in in the Iranian armed forces will ever be punished.
Many believe Iran shot down the plane purposely in order to instigate war.
Obviously, all four of these paragraphs are totally false… but only when applied to Iran and not the US. The shocking belligerence, shamelessness and inhumanity I just recounted was the very real response from Washington after they shot down civilian Iran Air Flight 655 in 1988, killing 290 people. Anyone who has been following the recent tragic events is aware that Iran’s official response has been the complete opposite of how Washington handled a very similar tragedy.
But firstly: I find it incredible that some accuse Iran of a cover-up?
While, of course, the Western Mainstream Media will commit any lying exaggeration to further their billionaire masters’ instructions to topple Iran’s popular revolution, I lay the blame primarily at the unreasonable demands modern society puts on government servants via the 24/7 news cycle.
Iran admitted it was their missile which felled the airplane just three days afterwards, and – crucially – in conjunction with prepared apologies, self-recriminations and promises of punishing the negligent and/or fatally erroneous.
However, three days was too long for some. I really wonder at the naiveté of such, often well-meaning, people.
Is no delay acceptable? No verifications needed at all?
In such a situation doesn’t everyone know there is a protocol to be followed? We are talking about the armed forces – does not everyone understand (as every nation has an army) that they have a chain of command, rules and a bureaucratic hierarchy which must be followed? The more important something is – especially for a horrific admission such as this – the longer the verification process necessarily takes. If the soldier who had pressed the “fire” button had rushed out of the base and declared to all who would listen, “It was my fault!”, he would be treated as a dangerous madman in any nation. However, it is as if some people expected this type of an instantaneous confirmation in the Ukraine Airlines tragedy?
I suggest such impatience – from those who want to get it “now” instead of getting it “right” – has been fostered by a 24/7 news cycle which does not want to hear about the need for interviewing those involved, testing and calibrating equipment, reviewing all the data, etc. Three days… well, I just find it hard to believe that anyone would find that unacceptable? Some people – due to their quite understandable grief over this tragedy – are being unreasonable, but many Western media and politicians do not have such sincere motivations for such a complaint.
A verification process like I have described would have been an acceptable delay – at least to me – under normal circumstances. Here, of course, the Western Mainstream Media is doing all they can to sweep under the rug the fact that Iran was in a state of high military alert provoked entirely by the recent assassination of Iran’s top general, a top Iraqi general and retaliatory missile strikes which had been fired by Iran just hours before the plane’s downing.
Iran’s retaliation for the appalling assassination of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani was nowhere near as severe as US aggression merited. Washington tapped CNN to produce a propaganda report entirely designed to give the impression that the missile attack was not significant, but the point was not proportional revenge: the Leader of the Iranian Islamic Revolution Seyyed Ali Khamenei said it was merely to give a “slap in the face”. Therefore, nobody can say that Iran overreacted. However, the assassination proves to many in Iran that Washington is hell-bent on fomenting war with Iran. “High alert” is no exaggeration of the tensions at the time of the take-off of the Ukrainian airliner.
Therefore, it is incredible that Iran is somehow being portrayed as being wholly responsible for the tragedy of the Ukraine plane downing? The bulk of the condemnation for the tragedy must obviously be aimed at Washington for creating this atmosphere which produced the tragedy, if anyone truly cares about justice.
Unfortunately, I am reminded of the old saying: “Everybody talks about peace, nobody talks about justice.” The incident is being used as the latest plank in the 40-year Iranophobia campaign, sadly.
Is the alleged ‘cover-up’ occurring in between the public lamentations and self-criticisms?
The Ukrainian airliner downing shattered the peace of many families, but what we can say with total certainty today is that nobody in Iran wanted the destruction of a civilian airliner.
It was US President George Bush who famously refused to apologise, not Rouhani, but there are too many obviously sincere apologies from every level of Iran’s government. What cover-up? The commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards testified to Parliament, “I swear to almighty God that I wished I were in that plane and had crashed with them….” Two days earlier the chief aerospace commander told a press conference, “I wish I was dead and such an incident hadn’t happened….”
Where is the defiance, deflection and distraction of this alleged “cover-up”?
There is obviously – at all levels of the Iranian government and military – sadness, regret and complete acceptance of responsibility. I feel sorry for those Iranian soldiers involved because they express such feelings of culpability – if you feel sorry for George Bush, or the soldiers he decorated, I don’t know what basis you have for such feelings because they were never uttered?
The 1988 IranAir flight was downed in the final month of the Iran-Iraq War. The US shot down the Iranian plane as an expression of their frustration that their proxy war with their ally-dictator-mass murderer Saddam Hussein had failed. It was a message that Washington would still act with murderous impunity, and that their war was not finished – they have stayed true to this murderous posture all these decades hence. Compare that with the situation in 2020.
Despite the illegal, inhuman slaying of Soleimani Iran is not about to be baited into war, which was Washington’s true intention. Tehran is not going to put all of Iran – and the region – at risk over the decision of an idiot/assassin, who is trying to distract from his impeachment trial (as well as from the indictment trial of his ally in Tel Aviv) and who may be back on reality television in 11 months.
The Ukraine Airlines flight was – unlike for Washington in 1988 – undoubtedly not a provocation, nor an incitement to continued conflict, assassination and war.
This is the reality which the West cannot see, as they are blinded by Islamophobia and Iranophobia: the Iranian government showed the humane response which one would expect of a truly progressive government, which they are. They did not respond with belligerence, defiance and a Washington-style cover-up. But the Iranian government gets no credit in the West ever – it’s their editorial policy.
Frankly, while this is obviously a tragedy, I want more information as to how it happened: I find it extremely coincidental that the plane came from Ukraine, which has undoubtedly been the site of (yet another) far-right coup/civil war supported by Washington. I am not disparaging all Ukraine, of course, but it’s fair to assume that the Pentagon has unlimited access to Ukrainian planes as well as a history of using cyber warfare and sabotage against Iran.
And we know they have already shot down civilian airliners in Iran with zero expressions of regret.
Try as they might, this tragedy cannot overshadow the Soleimani assassinations
The assassination of Soleimani and the tragedy of Ukraine Airlines must not be mixed: the former is an illegal, inhuman slaying of an anti-terror hero which must remain in the spotlight until Washington – the boasting perpetrator! – conforms with international justice; the latter is a tragedy, and Iran has made it crystal-clear that they will work openly with countries like Ukraine, France and Canada to find the root cause.
No one in Iran is pleased, openly or secretly, about the Ukraine Airlines tragedy, but the boasting murderers in Washington are no doubt glad the spotlight is now off their actions. Their assassination laid bare their aggression to Iran and their view that Iraq is a powerless US colony.
That is injustice on a grand scale, and it cannot stand.
The Western MSM are doing all they can to keep the focus away from the international outrage regarding Soleimani’s murder, of course.
There were protests in Iran after the Ukraine Airlines downing, and it is natural: many students were aboard the airplane, therefore many Iranian students had personal connections with the departed. This is why students led protests.
However, as is the case so often in Iran, counter-revolutionary groups stepped in to dangerously hijack the protests. That is proven by the video circulating of a “protester” dressed like Black Bloc member stomping on and pulling down a picture of Soleimani, a man who just days earlier had inspired millions to publicly attend his funeral.
The orders-of-magnitude support in Iran for the government as opposed to those who want to topple is revealed by the orders-of-magnitude larger turnout for Soleimani compared with the initially sincere, student-led grief protests. This is a simple, factual reality, but – as is the case with every protest in Iran – the Western MSM tries to pervert everything in Iran to topple the popular democratic revolution of 1979.
Of course, they are in overdrive now because they are being told to distract from the Soleimani slaying. That must not last.
Sadness in the world and Iran over the Ukraine Airlines tragedy will continue, especially for the bereaved families.
But if we are judging by responses to accidentally shooting down civilian airliners, one would think people would be clamouring for the fall of the American system and not the Iranian one?
Finally, I’d like to point out that due to Western sanctions airplane tragedies in Iran are woefully common. If the West really wants to make Iranian air travel more safe they could – as any humane person would – allow the sale of replacement parts for these machines which carry so many lives between their wings.
Another way the West could avoid such tragedies? End the hot, cold and assassinating war against Iran.
Iran has accepted responsibility for the mistake – assuming further investigations do not reveal new facts – but the West needs to accept overall responsibility for the Ukraine Airlines tragedy as they fabricated such a dangerous, anti-democratic, inhumane climate of war.
(Ramin Mazaheri is the chief correspondent in Paris for Press TV and has lived in France since 2009. He has been a daily newspaper reporter in the US, and has reported from Iran, Cuba, Egypt, Tunisia, South Korea and elsewhere. He is the author of the books ‘I’ll Ruin Everything You Are: Ending Western Propaganda on Red China’ and the upcoming ‘Socialism’s Ignored Success: Iranian Islamic Socialism.’)
TL:dr. Sorry if this sounds insensitive, but you don’t allow civilian aircraft into an active war zone. Don’t take my word for it, try it yourself. Find a hot war zone, rent a Cessna 172, and fly back and forth from one side to the other. See what happens. You don’t even need an airplane, you can drive your car around in a battlefield with live fire coming from every direction. Report back to us on the results.
If Iranians were to permit the USA to decide how often and when they should close their airspace, that would be just another opportunity to hand the USA a hammer to use against Iran.
Iran is trying to behave as a normal country and the USA has been doing its utmost since 1979 to regain control of Iran. Fat chance of that ever happening again!
Anyway, there is a good chance the the USA used electronic warfare to fool the ancient electronics of that particular missile battery. To make its commander believe that it was elsewhere and that it was a cruise missile. We will probably never know the full story. Nevertheless, the fact remains that the USA is culpable of threatening Iran for years and that is the sad result.
A Ukrainian owned passenger plane with only 2 Ukrainians aboard that had been “serviced” the day before. How convenient that the majority of the passengers were Iranian- Canadian citizens.
My first thought was a bomb was placed on board while being serviced.
I read Canadian and understand Ukrainian: have you a clue where the biggest Banderite’s diaspora lives?
It wasn’t an active war zone. An even if it was, civilian planes can and do continue to operate. You thing there is no jet airliners overflying Saudi Arabia? They are at war with Yemen.
Exactly on the point! There it is where the BS starts, just get wrong a small detail and the whole analysis and whining goes to trash.
Iran killed their own people, they should make clear it has all started because of Pompeo instignating Trump to assasin the general. I am pretty sure Boeing/CIA messed with the responder or some US drone was hiding in the radar shadow of the plane.
Bob is right. Shouldn’t’ve been flying then. And it was a war zone, by any normal standard. Civilian air operations should’ve waited until daylight, at least; then announce yourself and wait for acknowledgement if the flight truly must proceed. This was a bad call to takeoff in that situation. Invited error.
ED
You said…”invited error”.
Those two words may well be the key to who is behind this terrible tragedy.
Cui bono from this act? Well, absolutely and certainly not Iran.
So maybe here-in lies the eventual truthful answer to this puzzle.
Cheer
Col
Occam’s Razor, find the simplest explanation
BOEING-BUAP, the auto-pilot installed in all USA manufactured airlines since 2007, allows CIA-Mossad to remote control airplanes
During the first 3 minutes this plane went down, who is to say, that the plane was vectored on a path over or near a base, six hours was plenty of time
Iran would have had no time to do anything other than shoot first ask questions later
We heard there was a ‘return to airport’ early on, perhaps during the first few minutes the plane erratically returned, and triggered response.
The problem is we don’t know the truth, because to date we have been lied to
Plane went down fact. Burn’t to hell fact. Everybody dead fact.
That’s all we know
In normal journalism you ask who, where, how, why, and when.
We don’t know who, or how, or why; We only know where&when.
Lot’s of homework to do boyz and girlz
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Boeing-Buap was developed by SERCO-UK, largest private prison holder in world, and manages most ATC around the world. They created BUAP, which means UK oversaw, so they also have the backdoor. SERCO also owns ABC-Media-Ltd, which owns Zerohedge. Serco got $1B USD for developing Obama-Care website. That’s how tied all this stuff is together.
Remember the KL flight? All those Freescale engineers died, they were working on the ‘chip’ for Obamacare. Almost always when planes go down, you have to look at “WHO” who was the target.
Cannot as of yet be discounted the airliner wasn’t being hijacked by a BUAP device, as it was reported the pilot reported technical issues 3 minutes into the flight. Caught fire and crashed at 8 minutes. Still much to know and the black boxes could shed a little more light if we ever get to see the data from them.
After the Syrians were tricked into shooting down a Russian plane by the Israelis they were promptly provided with more state of the art equipment.
One can hope that the Iranians ask for and are provided with equally updated equipment.
Let Trump taunt and Bibi gloat. It just shows that they are “malcriados” ( the Spanish word for impolite/ rude but literally means ’ill formed” or brought up wrong.
It is mysterious though, that some sites including Moon of Alabama began days before the incident to talk of Iran shooting down an airplane in response to the killing of commander Soleimani. Whether it was programming or not is up to the individual to decide. Another strange thing about the event is the fact, that the plane is from Ukraine, which is de facto controlled by the usa. One can not but wonder, whether or not the plane was sacrificed by them to be used as part of usa psyops diminishing any iranian response.
No one in in the Iranian armed forces will ever be punished. Excellent! To me, this is one more sign (if not evidence) that they did not do it.
Just to be clear, Iran has said that people will be prosecuted for this.
The US never prosecuted anyone. They did nothing but brag about shooting down that Iranian airliner.
MC
For crying out loud PLEASE read the article again…you will find that this was not Iran’s statement. It was US MIC [murderer in chief] Bush. It was in relation to their blatant and unapologetic shootdown of an Iranian passenger jet in 1988.
What Iran has stated in this latest tragedy is totally the opposite.
We can slice and dice this any way we like but in my mind, the buck totally stops with the current MIC. He was the complete warmongering idiot that organized the murder of Soliemani. He is in effect the real culprit. He is the one with blood-covered hands.
The death of the 176 innocent people on this ill-fated flight plus the 55 killed in the funeral mass crowds plus many others in this current mayhem simply would not have occurred if Drumpf had not committed this extraordinary act of murder.
So much for the idiotic claim that he was making Americans safer. This complete infantile moron has made the whole world a far more dangerous place to be. This is not only for Americans but for every single race on earth.
Cheers
Col
PS I would support impeachment myself after this heinous act by Drumpf except that I know that Pence, an evangelical, rapturist, warmongering maniac would be even worse as POTUS. If he took office odds on we would all look like burnt crisps in no time at all.
If there is one truth in US politics it would have to be this… no matter who holds high office and no matter how terrible they are there is almost always someone even worse waiting in the wings to fill that position.
Right. Sorry, everybody… Initially, I jumped to the conclusion that Ramin was stating what I thought was the correct thing to do: not to punish the Iranian unit that they say did the downing of the airplane… Becsause I believe that they are NOT guilty of anything. The provocations never end… We must have steel nerves to bear the stress of the madness that is going on in the world.
As the author points out, Iran has chosen to take the high road on this little disaster. He rightly contrasts their position with that of the “exceptional” US in similar situations.
Friendly fire happens. It’s an awful thing, but in the chaos of conflict it can only be minimized, and will never be eliminated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#American_Revolutionary_War
In this particular case Trump’s murder of the Iranian General is what lit the fuse. The deaths of the airplane passengers are far more his fault than of the Iranian missile crew.
https://twitter.com/MapleLeafFoods/status/1216529697288355840
What’s so sad about this is that the dimmer parts of his “base” are as proud as peacocks of his increasingly erratic and goonish behavior.
I do not believe that Iran did it by mistake. Is there any proof? There are too many confusing statements about this flight…
Iran is not going to win the public relations battle.
Big money payments to families would help.
The remorse of the commanders appears very sincere.
A thorough and completely transparent investigation of the incident is imperative. Invite French on the inside of the investigation to assure no “fall guys” are blamed.
I don’t see this as a crime by the unit that shot the plane or the IRGC or the airport authorities.
It was massive stupidity by the Iranian government to open its airspace without iron clad assurance from the US that a real stand down existed.
Thus, responsibility is totally on the government to rectify the losses of people and plane. The sooner, the better. Announce a schedule of payments as soon as this weekend.
Then the names of those who failed to prevent it, and their demotions and stripping of pay rates. Military and civilian.
Do it fast. Do it transparently.
Don’t talk about Soleimani in the discussion.
The tragedy stands alone. It was preventable. People failed.
Then, when Ukraine and Canada accept the payments, and this is concluded, announce that talks with US should begin. Nursultan, Kazakhstan would gladly welcome diplomats to get things started.
Let some talks occur in which it is made clear sanctions have to be lifted for real progress to be made. But talk.
Concurrently, demonstrate that a return to JCPOA limits is in process. Putin has asked for this. Give him something to work with in phone calls to Trump. China wants this also.
During this period of “talks” and “actions” public opinion can be moved.
Give room in the geopolitical space for China and Russia to work in Iran’s behalf (and their own self-interest).
Iran’s internal problems are largely self-made. They have to change the economic model in order to develop and grow. With a very young population they have to address what the students and young adults want for their society. Clearly, they don’t want what exists today. Even create new economic zones with new social rules that allow the young the freedom they want (and need to develop and grow).
The US presently has a choke hold on Iran’s economy. It will get worse if change, reforms, more freedom isn’t made.
It’s not a question of right or wrong or sovereignty. It’s a question of survivability. Total collapse is possible. If the sanctions regime isn’t broken or lifted, the possible becomes probable, likely.
They should definitely bring in some Chinese technocrats to help with the economic reforms, and they should consult deeply with Putin. He knows how to save a nation from the US menace.
Another possibility is, the plane autopilot was hijacked and taken over by some mysterious party, to hit other targets and the Iran side is forced to shoot it down. The mysterious party would have practise before at 812 or seen how it is done.
“The US presently has a choke hold on Iran’s economy.” possibly is better with “The US presently HAD a choke hold on Iran’s economy.” The issue I see is, Iran has no incentive to develop and rebuild when the hostile force can just bomb it into ruins again. And we all know who is the problem child in the picture.
I see what is developing with Iran is a ME peace template.
So we need to dig far deeper on what exactly is this creature known as USSA/ANZ.
Larchmonter445 (and all), by any chance you have listen to the –
Dark Journalist X-Series 77: Deep State X-Operatives MKULTRA Doomsday Network
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeEOvQVihWI
Its 3hr long but its very detail and informative. 1hr is more like warm-up. then 2nd hour start talking about COG and underground USSA gov. About last 30min to answer questions.
If you have a chance or had listen to it, I am interested to seek your feedback at the Cafe :)
The problem is USSA is lawless at international affairs and domestic affairs, and thanks to orange agent exhibitionist, he expose proudly how exceptional and indispensable USSA is and will continue.
So to make clear – USSA is a creature unto itself – so how do we deal with that? We cant deal with it with the USA law and constitution, as explained in the X-series above, and we cant deal with it even with UN international laws. So what can we do unless we destroy it completely (which unfortunately must include some number of collateral damage)? I seek your opinion if you have some time :) How do you see a peace plan can work out in ME? Time frame? What ‘surprise’ should we expect? Thanks. Your post is always high quality!
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One other possibility is Aliens in UFOs spoofed everyone. They are toying with humans. Recent reports indicate they are very active taunting US military.
oh WOW! I didnt know this UFO word is allowed – then I suppose you may agree with me that there are regular humans and non-regular humans? and could explain why USSA-type want so badly to kill off the Persian-type? So we are essentially having a galaxtic war on earth?!
But if you are just joking thats cool too :) I got the msg – I am wrong I didnt follow this as closely as most here. Its all good! Cheers.
Still if you have some time to comment on the COG, I love to learn more from you too!
Actually the human does come with an electrical component complete with invisible antenna(s). Sometime the human finds a way to break the bond of this component, they are not as electrified as one who has not broken its antenna. The gods renamed this as your soul and it can trigger twitches, feeling, itches, and the occasional uncomfortable shock. Sometimes the gods pull the trigger on people and sometimes humans pull it on different humans depending on how strong their zen is.
But by the end of the day, weather by design or not, it does throughly confuse, anger, or intrigue many humans as to why they were chosen to receive this treatment, and each one can have a different reason making the interpretation a tricky one.
So my advice is dont ask why a certain someone did a certain something and spend too much time or money trying to figure it out, b/c the human is both very fragile and sensitive about many things and you’ll never get to the bottom of it anyway.
Larchmonter, I’m with you !!
What may be blowing right past many is that Larchmonter’s comment is a very serious one (I believe). After all, sarcasm, as long as it’s not intended to denigrate an individual, is not expressly prohibited here.
Humans (which I assume most of the commenters are) are very good at imagining things. An intuitive approach to problem solving can often be far more efficient that rational plodding. Yet unbridled intuition leads to nonsense and a big waste of time. Rationality must restrain imagination.
For the moment, let us assume that none of the comments on this thread (and others) are nefarious (i.e. intended to deceive, confuse, distract, etc.). What fraction of the comments actually present new and useful information, or thoughtful analyses, or ask important questions, or offer serious criticism? I won’t attempt to answer this; you be your own judge.
Many years ago, before it became well known, I was attracted to the Saker’s blog because he exhibited a degree of discipline that was not common elsewhere. Most of the comments had that characteristic also. Since then things have, well, er…, changed. I do not want to put words in Larchmonter’s mouth, but perhaps a little more discipline would serve the mutual objective of understanding the truth in complex matters.
@? and @44360,
I think you might want to consider the strong possibility that your leg was pulled, as the expression goes.
And directly to 44360, the blog has undergone changes. Many more dolts and bots and outright whackjobs than at other times.
The key is subject matter. Some subjects bring out the tin hats and others bring out the cultish ideologues, and others bring out the unschooled who opine on things they barely know.
As time provides distance from the actual event, the large space gets filled with flights of fancy and idiotic theories. I jumped at the opportunity to use a favorite of some–UFOs. I don’t need an audience to have a laugh.
@Larchmonter: Yeah I understand. This time you got away with using UFO sarcasm; or was it satire? I tried it once and the moderators censored it. I’m not sure why, as there was nothing impolite implied and it was clearly not nonsense. So, congratulations.
Here’s a question: Should such efforts be enclosed in /…/sarc or /sat as a standard policy? Does satire have the same effect if you have to tell the reader what it is?
I have fantasies of a “blather filter” that when you pipe text to it you only get meaningful text back. But alas, if you are looking for information you have to wade through a lot of “stuff”.
If you have to explain or label humor, it’s weak.
Time for grownups to realize the meaning of what they read.
Sometimes folks get lazy mentally and want everything explained with labels or icons.
I’m old school.
Larchmonter, I think I’m just old.
But you must see that asking about a sarc tag is kind of recursive:
/Do I have to use a /…/sarc tag?/sarc
Larch, what you saying seems right, but is naive. let’s see:
1) ..Then, when Ukraine and Canada accept the payments, and this is concluded, announce that talks with US should begin…
Neither Ukraine nor Canada will ever allow this to be concluded. US? They will never stop with demands. Remember Hong Kong protest? Started with “no extradition law”, and when that was achieved, they continued with more and more.
2)”ran’s internal problems are largely self-made. They have to change the economic model in order to develop and grow. With a very young population they have to address what the students and young adults want for their society. Clearly, they don’t want what exists today. Even create new economic zones with new social rules that allow the young the freedom they want (and need to develop and grow).”
All of this, exact words, we heard about Yugoslavia, Serbia, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran of course, then Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile with Allende. IS any of these countries any better today than before they accepted requests. “Address what the students and young adults want for their society” – in last 10,000 years it did not happen, and it will not in another 10,000 years. No power ever was given up because of “what the students and young adults want for their society”. Except maybe Ukraine in recent years. If the ruling elite of Iran is so backwards and inefficient, students and young adults will chase them away by some revolution, or the regime will melt away by itself. That has happened in written history, empires coming down under their own wight and incompetence, and will happen again. The question is when and where, in what order. In spite of propaganda, Iran does not look as a viable candidate for total collapse.
What I quoted in 2) applies to USA as much as it applies to anybody else – China, Russia, UK, Norway, Gabon – and it will happen when the powers to be are weak enough to be replaced with – another powers to be, which will eventually become corrupt and incapable, just like the ones before.
We are all frustrated and sad by what has happened. To give USA and others ammunition for propaganda, it really sucks and hurts. Mistakes happen. Sometimes our spies outwit theirs, sometimes is the other way around. Or sometimes enemy simply has huge advantage in some areas. I don’t think USA has technological superiority, over Iran, not a chance. However, truth and justice mean nothing to them.
The last thing we need is a revolution or a radical reform in Iran. Revolutions do not happen form inside, radical reforms lead to painful years for the population. Persians were Muslims way before 1953 (Shah brought to power?) and before 1980 and they are now. Business is and commerce have been conducted the same way for hundreds of years. Best we can to do for Iran is we leave them alone, they have been under propaganda pretty much forever. By taking responsibility the tragedy upon themselves they certainly did not expect congrats from the West. of US administration. Young people will not bring down the “regime”. At least, if they don’t like it they can move out of the country. They did not rebel during war with Iraq when much more lives were lost, much more families left in grief and pain. Huge personal loss sometimes can beat patriotism, yet it did not happen.
Why we don’t leave them alone, they do not need our advice nor we can provide any in this situation
Well Larch you couldn´t be more wrong. it is all about what is right and wrong. If not so, what is the point of our revolution. What ever we suffer, we suffer for wanting to be free of the western yoke and for our support of the oppressed people of Palestine and the rest. If we wanted the western breadcrumbs, we would have bent the knee before the zionists long ago! How poor of an understanding you westerners have of us. So you watch a couple of hundred sofa westernized and mentally colonized dupes bought and paid for with western money or the promise of a greencard on tv and want us to change who we are?! Did you know, that 800 of the leaders of the gasprice unrests had been invited to take part in BUSINESS classed in the west to be taught revolution business that is! You can be sure, that alot of these demonstrations are for your consumption and not the iranian people. Sorry we are not the kind of people, you want us to be. Keep your degenerate freedoms to yourselves. Sure we have problems, but you can be sure, that where ever we have failed, it is because of the western infiltrators and 5. column in our country. Sorry but there can never be peace between us and the americans. It is not in the nature of the beast and know our enemy!
Dont say never or you may be the one left behind for dead in a peaceful world.
Alabama: Now there’s a short but clear statement of yours that I can finally….both comprehend……and actually fully agree with!
And who says, “Nothing will ever change!” ??
Clearly, they are mistaken!
I live in an area with thousands of Iranians who left Iran. I have known and worked with Iranians for 20 years. Many are my friends. Some my closest friends. So, I have sources of information other than MSM.
It’s relevant that you think freedoms are all degenerate. I pointed to freedom of career, to build a business, have a professional life, choose the clothes and music you like, come and go as you will. That’s freedom at an everyday level. Higher freedoms are speech, assembly, criticizing government, voting, and the like. None of those are degenerate.
Beyond those comments, you certainly are correct that the US wants to destroy the regime.
Since 1953, when the CIA and Mi6 overthrew the democratically elected government the goal has been to control Iran like a vassal. The last 40 years, to destabilize the regime and get back a vassalage entity.
I’m very aware of the hybrid war against Iran.
I offered my opinion of what are some actions that might help. I stand by what I wrote. Good luck with the path you hope your country takes. We disagree on the ultimate outcome. You are a real stakeholder, so I wish you the best.
For my Iranian friends, I hope there will be freedom for them to come and go and enjoy the great Persian culture and history with no US black hands nor chaos from government.
Every day, as Saker knows because I sent him a copy of the music, I do a stretching exercise routine to Iranian music I found on Persia Digest. So, I am in touch with a slight sliver of the genius and artistry of Iran each day.
So you have Iranian friends. So you listen to Iranian music, does it make you an expert on iranian culture, history or politics? Sadly you seem to think so! For a man who writes as if we walk with chains around our feet, you sound full of it Larch. Unlike you, I am an iranian and I am writing these words from Iran. Did you ever bother to think, that your friends say the things they say, because they believe, it is what you want to hear? With regards to what music we listen to, here is some of those I listen to: Jeff Buckley, David Sylvian, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Bob Dylan, James Vincent Mcmorrow, Ben Harper, Neil Young, Jackson Browne ….! And no we do not allow sexism and “my boy my choice” garbage. We have morality and do not reduce women into sex objects.Those who want to be are more than welcome to go west, after all it was the west telling them what to think, what to desire and what to be. So they want to be tv rebels. Netanyahu actually said, that he can destroy Iran by beaming down a couple of american tv series directly into the livingrooms of the iranian people! There goes their iranianness, but no worries as long as we have the like of you to defend our culture, history and freedoms! Talk about orientalism! What a sad thing it is, somebody from the other side of the world telling me what we are supposed to be!
A number of commenters feel every sensitivity and complain publicly and privately to Saker.
I let the comments of these folks roll like water off my back.
You have a country that has had 40 years of stress and disasters, many thrust upon you from outside, others wholly constructed by the ideological dogma of the leaders and their system.
I’ll let the history play out as my reply to your remarks. Good luck.
I consider you a good read Larch and always read your comments. Believe it or not, I enjoy a comment by you more that someone who agrees with me. I am kind kind of surprised, that some people act like a kindergarden. You can be sure, that I never have or never will complain about someone else´s opinions or comments. I also agree with some of your points above and I hope, that my comments are as much a challenge to your viewpoints, as your comments are to mine. Not only I do not feel any anger towards you. I am a revolutionary and do defend with all of my heart our system, because I believe in it. I always say, that there is not crime big enough, not theft big enough or no treason big enough to make me doubt the pure heart of my leader. I trust him with every bone in my body to be an exceptional human being. Unfortunately our governments do not listen to him and our people pay the price. Sadly the entire system is compromised and infiltrated to the core including our president and our trillionaire ministers. Our national media is in the hand of the antirevolutionaries. Our education system is in the hands of antirevolutionaries. Our universities are in the hands of antirevolutionaries. Our cultural life is in the hands of antirevolutionaries to the point, that it has become hip to be against our system. Every single revolutionary intellectual worth his own spit in the country is talking about the coming cleansing of the antirevolutionaries and bloodletting of this revolution. There will be blood and a lot of it!
Thank you for your kind words.
Many of us hope and pray that Iran can solve its problems and survive the hybrid war.
Life is precious. Stay safe.
Yup ….I think Iranians are smart enough and determined sufficiently to work with their religious culture and a modern enterprise economy.
Well said, Larch. I may not agree with the explanation of the downing of the airplane — to me, it was a set up (similar to the downing of the Russian IL-20 by the Syrians, in 2018); it is hard to accept the Iranian decision to play guilty; but, in the grand scheme of things, it is wise and gives us the best chance of a successful exit of the mess we are in. The unrevealed account of what really happened can be kept in classified documents for the future historians to deal with.
“Don’t talk about Soleimani in the discussion.
The tragedy stands alone.”
No way, the fog of war was created by surprisingly killing in the most heinous way an Iranian high official and military commander and diplomat on its duty. The “accident” with the airliner is an unintended consequence of that assasination and the state of war provoked first by the US with the first strike on Kirkuk base by ISIS which then it used to justify the malicious strike on the Iraqi PMU militias base in the Syrian border, with which they were hoping to justify their alevose assassination of Soleimani and Al-Muhandes…until they got the backfire and the whole honest world started looking at them as what they are…vile assassins..
and moreover of those who come by your back….thus cowards..
On the other hand, I find your view of Iran quite deplorable, you talk as if Iran would not have an ancient culture at least as highly developed as they could have Russia and China. Also the Iranians do not need anybody teaching them diplomacy, since they managed a wide and prestigious empire when your nation had still centuries to be born…
Iran does not need from Russian and China but for supporting in its fight against the US bully.
Talking to the US will be futile, as it has been proven for the other countries in the area.
Iran has by far the most honorable position in the world now on refusing to talk to the US as soon as they there behave like thugs…
The US should be condemned by all the honest nations to a well deserved ostracism to which it has submitted so many other innocent nations in the world during decades, if not for at least taste a bit of its own medicine…Otherwise, nothing will change…
Of course, that would be counterporductive for wealthy people there, but the avergae Joe will not be affected in the least, since his life is already enough miserable, and in the long term, he will win along with the rest of humanity…
this just in – its the findings of the Tehran University Cyber Studies – its says that there was definitely a cyber attack and that the Iranian army was not responsible for the crash – its item #1
https://twitter.com/Azof313/status/1216717472780505093?fbclid=IwAR1pJTv4a5BxI9Ov7IQKUYo5FuhkzluCBUCC7ocsduuATQL4UxRQG5JLLAM
Very interesting, We have to just verify it. If true, the americans made sure, that the plane would be shot down.
Any well-translated English versions available?
No cover-up????
just three days afterwards
WTF do you call it then?
Time to say good-bye to the Revolutionary Guard and the tyranny they force on their own people. Iranian Deep State is headed to the dung heap of history that the US Deep State is headed.
U.S.”accidents” and then – indeed – there are others…
Iran Air Flight 655 shoot down by U.S. Military 1988 – 290 dead
The alleged deliberate downing of Iran Air Flight 655 by US warship USS Vincennes in the Persian Gulf in 1988
was a bitter air tragedy for Iranians in, the irony of the tragedy was that the US did not apologize to Iran and
instead awarded commander of the warship with certificate of valor.
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/shootingdown_iranair_flight655.php
https://en.irna.ir/news/83378175/Deliberate-downing-of-Iran-Air-Flight-655-by-US-bitter-air-tragedy
Ukraine Airliner Tragedy Evokes Memories of When US Shot Down Iran Air Flight 655
https://theantimedia.com/ukraine-airliner-tragedy-evokes-memories-iran-air-flight-655/
KAL 007 and Iran Air 655. Comparing the ultra biased american/western coverage aka whitewashing propaganda.
https://fair.org/extra/kal-007-and-iran-air-655/
Iran Air Flight 655: One of Pentagon’s Most Inexcusable Disgraces
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/07/04/iran-air-flight-655-one-of-pentagons-most-inexcusable-disgraces/
The Shoot Down of Iran Air Flight 655
by SASAN FAYAZMANESH, JULY 11, 2008
https://www.counterpunch.org/2008/07/11/the-shoot-down-of-iran-air-flight-655/
Remember that speculation, consideration of circumstanctial evidence, and research from ‘non approved’ sources is not allowed. So with that in mind………..
Shhhh – dont talk about the Canadians, Ukranians, British, or the other ‘duel passport holding’ passengers on the ‘Ukrainian’ plane, except when framed in terms of ‘sad loss of life’, ‘terrible mistake’, and ‘there were families on board’.
Shhhh – dont talk about why only the Ukrainian plane was hit – out of the many in the air (including military) at the time, and the many others taking off earlier.
Shhhh – dont talk about the old (very old) method of hiding the truth in plain sight.
For example,The Police Officer informed the Court that upon arresting the suspect, the suspect informed him that, “he had shot his wife accidently and that it was just a coincidence he discoverd earlier that day she was having an affair”.
The suspect then informed the Court that “it was all a terrible accident – I was just cleaning my gun, I did not know it was loaded and the gun just went off, sadly at the exact moment when my wife just happened to be walking past. It was a terrible accident and I take full responsibility for my negligence”.
The Court eventually concluded that the shooting was accidental. The suspect admitted his guilt, and there was no evidence of an intentional shooting. The suspect was convicted of ‘negligent handling of a firearm causing accidental death’ and fined. Case closed.
(For those who use English not as thier first language, please note the above is a metaphor).
Shhhh – let everyone (including those who should really know better) allow themselves to be directed to follow the Alphabet Agencies directed narratives. You must not look at the massive success of the missile strikes on US bases in Iraq by Iran – and what / who exactly they hit.
Shhhh – Dont examine the circumstanstial evidence, much less the corroborative evidence that many important ‘Civillians’ were hit by the missile strikes on the US bases in Iraq (and possibly on board the Ukrainian plane too).
Shhhh – Dont talk about the ‘Civillian’ deaths and injuries on the US bases, and certainly dont talk about them when key players such as Nasrallah confirm this: “When (certain) media began to say there were no deaths or injuries & downplayed the attack, we knew Trump will not go to war………..The (Iranian missile) attack was a message for Israel also, that they take Iranian threats seriously…..The Iranian missile strikes landed in the Ain al-Assad (base) in Iraq, yet the mourning gatherings began in the Zionist entity”.
Shhhh – dont talk about the (relatively harmless but hugely embarassing) global hacking & cyber attacks which have been ongoing for the last few days. Keep them covered up, and if unable to keep them hidden simply explain them away, as most people, even those who should know better will simply explain them away as ‘coincidence’ or ‘unrelated’, such as like this (its also a coincidence that Canada is involved too):
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/warning-nuclear-power-incident-canada-was-sent-error-n1114201
Shhhh – dont talk about the methods and mechanisms of ‘Regime Change’ used by the CIA/MOSSAD/MI6 and certainly not about manufactured ‘Color Revolutions’, and never link these methods to Ukraine, Hong Kong, and Irans (rent-a-mob / SJW?) protestors (and certainly dont even begin to think about, much less explain why the Brits were involved in this and flying ‘genuine Iranian passport holders’ between Ukraine and Iran).
Remember – always follow the narrative:
USA / UK / Israel are the ‘Good Guys’ and Iran / Syria / Russia are the ‘Bad Guys’.
USA / UK / Israel have technical superiority over the ‘Bad Guys’.
USA / UK / Israel Intel agencies are the worlds best, have the clearest and most detailed information, and always act for the good of people (protecting the people from the bad guys and thier pet terrorists).
Just follow the narrative and dont think outside the parameters you have been trained, programmed, and conditioned (and increasingly told) to think within. Life will be so much simpler if you simply believe everything ‘official people’ and ‘approved experts’ tell you to belive.
Shhhh – dont talk about Propaganda, and certainly dont talk about Psychological Operations, in fact dont ever even mention the word ‘Psyops’.
Life is so much simpler when you allow other people to think for you and form opinnions (especially beliefs) for you…………….so shhhhhh, sleep well, the heroic Intel services are working tirelessly to protect you from the bad guys, shhhhhhh, go back to sleep, shhhhhh……………………
(As with all my comments, no disrespect or harm is intended. If any has been caused by my comment, then I am sorry -I simply wish to stimulate deep thought and conversation outside the shrinking narrative. Peace to all).
Fantastic comment. I appreciate it. So much shhh… truth in it. Thanks.
@ MC,
Thanks for the kind words.
Now, listen in. Just between you and me, whilst no one else is listening / watching, I will tell you another little truth that almost NOBODY is talking about – that Iran also has its own Intel guys.
These Intel types are well used to sparing with CIA/MOSSAD/MI6 all arounfd the Middle East (and inside the US and UK too, but that thought will shock the more gentle minded of people, so dont tell them that Iranian Intel operate inside the US and UK).
Iranian Intel are good at playing ‘Alphabet Games’ and are well aware of all the different versions of these games.
Iranian Intel are also aware of the various sites inside Ukraine the British and ‘Canadians’ like to hide (and when they take the Ukrainian express in and out of Tehran).
They are especially aware of the various covers and the real dangers posed by ‘innocent Women / Mothers’
https://www.theweek.co.uk/93741/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-iran
And the dangers posed by ‘innocent Men’:
https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/anoosheh-ashoori
And of course the danges posed by ‘innocent tourists’ back-packing for fun accross war zones and carrying high-resolution cameras and hand held computers (smart phones) who just happen to stumble accross a missile facility whilst ‘backpacking’:
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/world/middleeast/02iraq.html
But Shhhhh, dont tell anyone else…………. nobody is supposed to think about these things.
Just a final point, never ever be afraid of conducting a personal investigation and drawing your own conclusions. You need seek the approval of others to join dots and produce your own picture of events.
‘Investigation’ is different from ‘Reseach’. An Investigator will go anywhere the evidence (as weak as heresay, through to circumstansial, to corrobative, and so forth) points him / her and will talk to anyone to build up a picture by joining the dots.
An Investigator is not afraid to speak to the crazy old drunk guy who lives in tarp covered tent at the end of the street if that crazy old drunk guy may have had a good view of a suspect / crime / event.
The crazy old drunk guy may not provide any hard ‘evidence’, certainly nothing that could be reliably used in Court, but he may point the astute investigator in a direction which may lead to usable evidence being discovered / uncovered – or simply on to another ‘lead’.
Shhhhhh, dont tell anyone else.
(this may be my last comment for a while as my internet link may be lost for a while).
What do you say to this one here:
Ukrainian PS752 Mystery Solved: Shot Down by Israel’s Unit 8200?
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/01/10/ps752/
Just another crazy story or could that fit in somewhere?
If US/Israel had enough time to plan a deception against Soleimani, no doubt they thought about the sequence of events that may follow.
However, it sounds like it was the first plane out in the early morning and someone may have forgotten that was going to happen.
Too many possibilities without more concrete proof.
It was the third.
I’m disappointed in the behavior of the Iranian Muslims or Christians who participated in the rioting and desecration of the memory of General Qassem Soleimani. Why have the Imams or Armenian and Russian Orthodox priests remained silent and not spoken out to calm the people and condemn this violence?
“Satan has gained mastery over them, and has made them forget the remembrance of Allah. They are Satan’s party. Now surely it is Satan’s party that are the losers.
Certainly those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest.
Allah has decreed: ‘Most surely I will prevail, I and My Messengers.’ Verily, Allah is Powerful, Mighty.
Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they be their fathers, or their sons or their brethren, or their kindred. These are they in whose hearts Allah has inscribed true faith and whom He has strengthened with inspiration from Himself. And He will make them enter Gardens through which streams flow. Therein will they abide. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are Allah’s party. Hearken ye O people! it is Allah’s party who will be successful.” (Al-Mujadalah 58:20-23 Holy Quran)
” For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. (2 Corinthians 2:9-11 KJV 1611)
This is how Satan corrupts the faithful by worldly temptation and the feeding of discord into their minds to create spiritual weakness. Teaching the ways of the prophets with words of worship must relate to contemporary events to guide the people back on the correct path as instructed by God’s messengers.
There was a news story about 15 years ago that a pentagon psychological warfare specialist was working at CNN to modify their news coverage. This story surfaced for a while, and then disappeared from public memory as if nothing had happened.
A similar subject was discussed in an interesting Democracy Now segment this Friday about the movie “The Great Hack”. This documentary looks at the propaganda used by Cambridge Analytica to help the Trump campaign in 2016. Apparently the propaganda techniques used by private companies like Cambridge Analytica and Black Cube were first developed by the U.S. military during its occupation of countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. These countries were used as laboratories to try different types of propaganda. Not much was said about the military propaganda during the show, but it seems as disturbing to me as the propaganda used to influence U.S. elections. The segment can be listened to here:
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/1/10/2020_election_digital_manipulation_cambridge_analytica
Probably this has been already said by many others, but… because Iran (having all the cards) seems to have ‘decided’ to skrew up the whole game for good! I guess the only relief we can find is repeating it ad nauseum as some sort of desperate act of exorcism to get rid of those… voices, messing up the heads of those who cares about this.
With so many doubts yet to be answered isn’t almost unbelievable that Iran (as far as I know) agreed to release those flight recorders to be handle in… France?!!!
The very same France that is nothing short than another spineless puppet/occupied country?
With all those doubts about the open airspace to civilian flights, being consider just pure amateurism, and guess what?
They just decided to surprise as all even more!! For the worse!
W?T?F?
Sure… no means to decipher those black boxes by their own. Can I ask why those recorders have to be encoded in such a way that only the usual ‘non suspects’ can do it showing us their almighty truth? looool!
After all it seems that Suleimani’s dead has been a tremendous blow to the whole Iranian chain of command, which is something very far from being considered as good sign.
“For some as yet unknown reason, our guy had suddenly become convinced that the Boeing 737 was an ‘enemy target’. As per protocol, he had requested authorization to launch, but his superiors could not be reached because of ‘some problem with the communication network’. Again according to protocol, he had a 10-second window in which to decide whether to launch or not. Still convinced the 737 was a cruise missile or enemy aircraft, he launched the two missiles that sealed the fate of the 178 people on board.
The Iranian government and military has taken full responsibility for the shooting down of Flight 752, but no one has yet explained why a presumably well-trained missile system operator, having watched 9 commercial airliners fly past him that night, was so convinced that the 10th one was an enemy target that he made a decision – by himself – to shoot it down.”
https://www.sott.net/article/427303-Was-Iranian-Missile-Operator-Tricked-Into-Shooting-Down-The-Ukrainian-Airlines-Plane-Over-Tehran‘
Joe Quinn stated days before The Sakers 80/20 percent, that there was some sort of deal allowing the Iranians to retaliate. Therefore I was not very nervous the following day (after the strike). Went about my daily routines and went back in just in time to watch the Trump speech, which off course contained no surprises at all.
Kent
Even the British mainstream media outlet, the Independent, has reported that Iraqi PM Abdul-Mahdi has stated that General Soleimani was in Baghdad on a *diplomatic* mission to ease tensions with Saudi Arabia.
This event is extremely important because it undermines the American assassination pretext that Gen. Soleimani was visiting Baghdad to prepare “imminent” attacks on American targets.
The article states:
“There was nothing to suggest to the Iraqis that it was unsafe for Soleimani to travel to Baghdad – quite the contrary. This suggests that Trump helped lure the Iranian commander to a place where he could be killed. It is possible that the president was unaware of the crucial role that Soleimani was playing in the attempted rapprochement with the Saudis. Or that he knew but did not care.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/qassem-soleimani-death-iran-baghdad-middle-east-iraq-saudi-arabia-a9272901.html
More on this issue:
Iraqi PM reveals Soleimani was on peace mission when assassinated, exploding Trump’s lie of ‘imminent attacks’
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/06/soleimani-peace-mission-assassinated-trump-lie-imminent-attacks/
Ex-US intel officer: Pompeo ‘lying through his teeth’ on Iran
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/12/ex-us-intel-officer-pompeo-lying-through-his-teeth-on-iran/
I read somewhere that one of the biggest share owners of this company (Ukrainian airlines) is Kolomoisky, if that is true then everything around this tragedy become very suspisious.
This is an excellent article, which raises many good and valid points.
There is obviously much more about this tragedy that we do not know than there is that we do know.
As far as our conjectures go, they are exactly that, conjectures.
This was definately a wartime situation. The entire military, including all air defences, were obviously on the highest alert. Any and all attack scenarios were possible. Any and all enemy agents and sleepers could very well have been active (and likely were). The Americans were clearly the cause of the entire situation. They clearly planned out and initiated the entire series of events.
In that situation any number of scenarios (to include possible errors) could have occured.
In that situation, had an unidentified aerial object been detected, having been seen to have satisfied the conditions of terminal trajectory terminal velocity for a recognizable flight (firing) solution on a target which had to be defended, then it would have been defended.
There is no way for us to know that is what happened, there is no way for us to know that it is not.
However, the Iranians have already accepted responsibility for this tragedy. They have already admitted human error on their part. They have opened investigations and declared full cooperation. They, I believe, have begun the process of compensation to victim’s families.
What rational human being can believe that they are not doing everything that can possibly be done to make things right here?
Oh, yes – there is a cover-up – by american Deep State, for american public opinion ;-)
I agree with Joshua that far, far more is unknown about everything since January 3, 2020 ……from Soleimani’s killing to the downing of the Ukrainian Airliner than is known with great certainty, leaving zero doubt, this early.
And YES, Rod Coffman……3 days is extraordinarily FAST!
Slow down! You’re already spinning out of emotional control.
I actually became so sceptical as to wonder, very briefly, before falling asleep last night if the dual hit, on the ground in Iraq….Bagdad airport vicinity …… could all be faked….because 11 days later too much cognitive dissonance…too many things that still make no sense…persist.
This forces a suspension of judgment, out of caution, although the tension makes it very tempting to start guessing and prematurely concluding all sorts of things.
Now, especially because of the Canadian Angle…with the airliner’s destination and passengers……….although it was past my bedtime, I just had to check in with Polly St Germanie aka “Amazing Polly”…..when spotting her latest video’s title
The Iran Swamp Creatures of the USA https://youtu.be/zCI4hyl113Q
You think this Iran Crisis Is Complicated??
Prepare to multiply that complexity times at least 10…after digesting the above video….
I had to watch……… NOT because she is always right, or ever has every single detail nailed down correctly….but because she is boldly intuitive, and takes chances. And seems to be very much more interested in finding the truth………than in fending off criticism.
For example in a video on Ukraine-Soros-Russiagate-Impeachment that I forwarded to a very political friend in Russia for comment…… she had (tentatively, inquiringly…as in ??????) linked someone to Mifsud who had taught at Lomonosov University because that questionable individual/international “player” had also been there.
My Russian friend responded (very short excerpt from great detail that could be of value to Even the Most Amazing Investigastor) :
“Polly might be an amazing person, and I greatly appreciate her energy and curiosity in prying out names and connections, especially in papers dating back to 1960s. I add that I agree, definitely, with her parallel between the conflict of late Prof. Lev Dobriansky and the Mykola Lybid’s organization at that time, and today’s blame games involving Biden’s and Giuliani’s Ukrainian pals, and with her general view of how shadowy connections emerge.
Unfortunately, when we descend to details, Polly’s approach is not amazing.
She is either unaware of, or omits the fact that Lev Dobriansky, a Catholic scholar, was the father of ex-Deputy Secretary of State Paula Dobriansky (present board member of Concordia, one of the latest Malthusian vehicles).
Polly does not know that Lomonosov University is the Moscow State University, the largest university in the USSR and today in Russia, with hundreds of chairs, dozens of thousands students, and legions of guests from abroad.
Therefore, this link with Mifsud is just ridiculous.”
Her response to constructive criticism??
Undaunted, appreciative!
I paraphrase:
“Thank you! That was a lot of interesting information. I appreciate that detail and the encyclopedic history of names, the Jewish ethnic differences in various areas/times, etc.
Fascinating that they have just made a statement about the assassination of Kalmanovich! wow.. my timing was pretty good on that one to bring him up at that moment just before Russia would declare the case unresolved. Of course Youtube had blacklisted that video, which is a shame because I think a lot of people enjoyed it. Perhaps I’ll try to re-upload it with some shallow ‘context’ as they requested of me.
I don’t mind any criticism whatsoever. My skin is thick and I’m happy to be corrected and helped, even with sharp statements (such as “ridiculous.”) !! :)
I think that is the kind of “thick-skinned” quality a few here could benefit from developing……..not to be callous about it …or anything. LOL
But for those just short on time………especially the Iranians….I pause early in the video for one of the shots of picture connections which IN SECONDS ought to indicate to anyone that this is a lot more complex of a game than the model in your head of it at present, quite likely is:
https://youtu.be/zCI4hyl113Q?t=742
And please note: In this video Polly admits she never quite arrives at the downed flight’s details.
But she does promise to get to it…very soon……….in The Iranian Swamp Creatures of the USA…PART 2
About 20 min into Part I. My take: Kerry/Obomber/Soros/Kock Brothers working with 5th columns in Iran. She seems to think Iran has a 5th column here as I understand her. Not buying the idea Trump was an unfortunate surprise for the Deep State/Shadow Government. Most likely it is all going as planned (except military misadventures).
About six months after the Fed passed off abnormal operations in 2008 the crash was finally official and could not be hidden. Now we have a repo market and injectionss of 200+ billion per day of short-term loans since September. March 2020 is six months later. The U.S. likes to start its wars of choice in March and they need something other than failed neoliberal economics and a collapsing Everything Bubble to pin what is soon coming on.
So “war” (strikes) against Iran or a preemptive attack on eastern “Ukraine” and/or Russia during Operation Offender 2020 (probably before April/May) or something else is probably doing to go down if I dare to engage in speculative predictions (which I am).
If Iran wants to get airliners that they can get replacement parts and repairs for they need to buy their airliners from Russia instead of Airbus or Boeing.
There might be a “cover-up” after all … but not the one discussed in this article …
https://www.globalresearch.ca/according-to-russian-experts-the-us-bears-partial-responsibility-for-the-human-error-which-caused-the-ukrainian-plane-crash/5700373
Shouldn’t someone investigate this?
Let us assume the “human error” was brought about by USraeli electronic warfare (Why did the plane turn around if there was no (normal) technical failure and no distress call?). Would the IRG then not tell the world about it?
Southfront has a plausible answer for us:
(southfront website)
From the preliminary report:
On Wednesday, 08 January 2020, at 05:15 local time, the scheduled flight AUI 752 en-route Tehran Imam Khomeini INT’L Airport (OIIE) to Kyiv Boryspol INT’L Airport(UKBB), Boing 737-800, UR-PSR operated by Ukraine International Airlines exited from the aircraft parking stand at 05:45 and took off from RWY 29R at 06:13.
The flight continued to climb while controlled by Imam Khomeini control tower, then was delivered to approach ATC unit at Mehrabad Airport, and was approved to climb to 26’000 feet. After losing contact with ATC Unit at time 06:18, the aircraft crashed near Sabashahr, located on Tehran outskirts.
The aircraft had 167 passengers and nine crew members on board, all of whom were killed in the accident.
146 victims held Iranian passports, 10 Afghan, 5 Canadian, 4 Swedish and 2 Ukrainian. All 9 crew members consisting of 3 cockpit crew and 6 cabin crew were Ukrainian. (90% Farsi names on passenger list)
Initially, the aircraft climbed to an altitude of 8’000 feet and turned to the right, when it disappeared off the approach radar screen, and by losing height, it impacted the ground and disintegrated. No radio communication indicating the unusual conditions was received from the pilot.
According to witnesses (people on ground as well as the crew of the passing flights in higher altitudes observing and reporting the event), a fire appeared on the aircraft which was intensifying, then impacted the ground causing an explosion.
The crash site track indicates that the aircraft was first approaching west to exit the airport boundary, but turned right following a technical problem, and had a track showing returning to the airport.
The gathered evidence at the crash site shows that impact point with the ground was a recreational park and after the initial impact, other impacts were also observed, wrecking the aircraft fuselage spread across the track at the accident site.
One of the Emergency Locator Transmitters (ELT) of the aircraft had been activated, but the satellite transmitter antenna became detached from the aircraft due the accident.
The rescue and search operation team found the Aircraft black boxes, including the Flight Data Recorder (FDR) and Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR), and is currently held by the investigation team of Iran AAIB. Both devices have been damaged as a result of the accident and catching fire. The memory parts of both recorders are in good conditions, though the physical damage to their main components is noticeable.
A special group was formed and any laser attacks and electromagnetic (radiowave) threats and unlawful actions have been rejected by conducting the relevant sampling and analysis up to now. (?)
Source: http://www.b737.org.uk/incident_ur-psr.htm (pdf-link to Original Accident report in Farsi)