by Pepe Escobar (cross-posted with the Asia Times by special agreement with the author)
Modi and Xi meeting could have a crucial SCO subplot focusing on security and economic cooperation
All bets are off on the outcome of India Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s potentially ground-breaking meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping this Friday and Saturday in Wuhan.
Things have not exactly started in auspicious mode.
After a meeting in Beijing of foreign ministers represented at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), India, once again refused to support the New Silk Roads, known as the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) in the final communiqué.
Every other SCO member – represented by the foreign ministers of Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan – did.
So here we go again – back to the interminable, intractable India-Pakistan soap opera.
Both India and Pakistan were admitted as full members of the SCO in 2017. The SCO, led by China and Russia, is the premier Eurasian mechanism dealing not only with security matters but also expanding, in these past few years, towards economic cooperation.
New Delhi though argues that one of BRI’s key connectivity projects – the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) – runs through sections of Kashmir that it considers occupied territory.
Still, the Chinese Foreign Ministry is putting out the best PR possible on the informal Modi-Xi meeting. They’re bound to discuss CPEC in detail. Formally, any breakthrough may be announced at the next SCO summit in June, in Qingdao, China.
Don’t touch the Iran nuclear deal
This key China-India rift inside the SCO actually mirrors the much bigger clash between BRI and the so-called “Indo-Pacific” strategy pushed by Washington in conjunction with India, Japan and Australia. New Delhi seems to consider BRI and Indo-Pacific mutually exclusive.
BRI though is a vast pan-Eurasian economic integration project while Indo-Pacific is essentially a vehicle for military containment of China.
Economically, New Delhi is concentrating on the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC) – which aims to link Russia with India via Iran. Additionally, India’s investment in Chabahar port in Iran aims to configure its own New Silk Road to Afghanistan and Central Asia, bypassing Pakistan.
And that brings us to a crucial SCO subplot. Every member-nation – with special relevance in the case of BRICS members China, Russia and India – supports the JCPOA, or the Iran nuclear deal. Iran, currently an observer, is bound to be admitted as a full SCO member by 2019.
When it comes to the classic SCO staple of fighting terrorism, Iran also fits (heavily supported by the three BRICS). Tehran is actively fighting Daesh in both Iraq and Syria, as well as all forms of jihadism in Afghanistan. All these key players – the three BRICS plus Iran – favor a SCO-led solution for Afghanistan.
On top of it, earlier this week Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed an agreement to set up a free trade zone between Iran and the Russian-led Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU).
So Iran is a key hub of BRI; a partner of India in the INSTC; an imminent member of the SCO; and it’s now linked to the EAEU. This acronym-fest spells out Eurasia integration – and fits, economically, into the “extensive contingency plans” evoked by Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in case the Trump administration abandons the JCPOA.
China, Russia and India have clearly identified how Iran relinquished practically 90% of its nuclear program and in the end was “rewarded” by increased US sanctions. As for Iran’s ballistic missile program – which was never part of the JCPOA – that’s much less advanced compared to Russia, India or Pakistan for that matter. The message by the three BRICS/SCO member nations is clear; the JCPOA is untouchable.
And the winner in the South China sea is…
As for India relying on the non-SCO “Indo-Pacific” club as a counterpunch to BRI, seems like New Delhi has not read the fine print.
So it’s quite enlightening to examine the extensive questions posed by the US Senate to Admiral Philip Davidson, the expected nominee to lead the US Pacific Command (PACOM).
To sum it all up, here’s Davidson’s Top Three:
- “China is pursuing advanced capabilities (e.g., hypersonic missiles) which the United States has no current defense against. As China pursues these advanced weapons systems, US forces across the Indo-Pacific will be placed increasingly at risk.”
- “China is undermining the rules-based international order.”
- “In short, China is now capable of controlling the South China Sea in all scenarios short of war with the United States.”
That unveils Indo-Pacific as essentially a strategy of containment applied to the South China Sea – even as Beijing is also very much implicated in consolidating the Maritime Silk Road across the Indian Ocean.
It’s unrealistic to expect India to come up with a far-reaching pan-Eurasia economic integration project that even barely matches BRI. New Delhi’s best bet is to fight jihadism in conjunction with the SCO while economically investing in the INSTC. No BRI? That’s India’s choice.
Pepe again accurately etches out the bottom lines of competition/cooperation between the major world players. The Empire does not come off looking too good in these x-dimensional international chess games. Sometimes it seems even checkers is too involved for US planners.
“”No BRI? That’s India’s choice!
If it choses no BRI now, it may change later as BRI would employ millions of dirt poor and hard working intelligent, culturally important, Indians deeply, brutally, used by Western Imperialists.””
No it won’t. Chinese workers will build all projects. Surely you have seen their other projects worldwide to date. It’s a way to keep Chinese workers employed.
Talk is cheap, show us the official states that say Chinese workers are doing all the job …
But there of cause is no incentive to build anything in India because Indian want their inefficient people over see the job, want cheapest price, do not pay on time, and for some odd reason it full with racists toward others. After all that, give the projects bad name by its incompetent management.
Chinese prefer you work with Japan and the west.
He’s just parroting the now standard EU anti-China propaganda line.
From a distance, it doesn’t seem as if the Modi regime in Indian gives a dang about ‘hard working, intelligent, culturally important, Indians.” Like most of the right-wing regimes in the world, the Modi regime only seems to care about the rich.
With the BJP, there is also intense caste hatred and virulent Islamophobia and violent misogyny. India is on the verge of an hideous catastrophe.
India will be virtually uninhabitable in summer in a few decades thanks to rising temperatures, humidity and wet bulb temperatures, the measure of human survivability. The monsoons will almost certainly grow more extreme, either dry or with intense deluges. India under the Hindutva fascists of the BJP is already showing the signs of collapse in intractable pollution, intense communal, caste-based, hatred, rampant, violent, misogyny, ‘Naxalite’ rebellions spreading through the countryside and vicious repression, facilitated by Modi’s new ‘friends’, Israel, in Kashmir. India will only be used by the USA and Israel as far as they see fit, then will be dumped, or lured into a ghastly war with China, that India would lose, or, if in alliance with the White Bosses, and ‘honorary’ White thugs like the hereditary fascist Abe, everybody will lose.
“This acronym-fest”
Pepe is such a delight to read.
Katherine
BRI is the dawning on new phase of economic history…India in the fullness of time shall decide to accept the future…the Wind, she blows, while the Sun always rises, in the East.
Like the weather, one must simply work with the nature of reality.
Main, essential, key to permit said future is to avoid nuclear suicide and obviously, make preparations for the inevitable new realities of BRI/OBR and etc.
The T-Man’s big task is to muddle through avoiding catastrophe and re-establish the US without the ruinous and failed Empire… This, for Americans, is going to be pretty rough, at best. They will be shocked at their poverty, both in terms of ability (of a low character) and at their weakness. These are the costs of Empire in decline… Real dangers of fascist conditions lasting a long time in civil disorders that normally accompany such rapid changes.
Or sometimes those same tough conditions and resulting civil disorders result in the few moments of real change and hope for ordinary people in the world.
“All these key players – the three BRICS plus Iran – favor a SCO-led solution for Afghanistan.”
Meanwhile, India is coordinating its military aid to Afghanistan with the US military, and uses Afghanistan development aid to push off China influence and aggravate Pakistan.
It’s conceivable Modi is a disruptor, bolstered by US/Trump and Japan’s Abe, who would sabotage SCO for the right price.
Modi, especially, now that President Xi is Emperor for Life and Putin has won another six years, would want to feel powerful, too.
This meeting of SCO is very crucial. It needs to be closely watched.
India is led by a very fickle, feckless man.
India is an important player in Asia and it’s economy is on the rise. However, the backbone of Eurasia is Russia and China. As far as I can see, India is at the moment balancing between the US and Russia/China. However, this cannot last permanently. India will, in the end, have to join the Russian/Chinese camp, no matter what differences it has with China over Tibet.
I don’t like Modi, and his weaponizing of Hinduism and Hindu nationalism,
but I don’t see him having much heft without the USA behind him.
But isn’t teh USA also backing Pakistan??
Can’t keep things straight here anymore . . .
Katherine
If it is to be a multi polar world then why not be friendly with all?
India needs self development and technology from the west and Russia. It needs little to nothing from China. It makes more sense for India to partner economically with Korea and Japan, which it has done to date.
Also, Russia and India will always be friendly, it’s historical and cultural as far as I can tell.
“Also, Russia and India will always be friendly, it’s historical and cultural as far as I can tell.”
Is this a legacy of the Great Game?
Or a more recent thing?
What is the basis of this alignment?
Modi seems to be so Trumpish-Neoconnish these days . . .
Katherine
@ B.F.
Other economies in Asia are also rising among which, Indian economy is the fastest. Its a jobless growth in India, unemployment is increasing while is dangerous.
India doesn’t have major differences with China over Tibet. The differences are over the north indian state of Jammu and Kashmir which border China and Pakistan and an eastern state of India called Arunanchal Pradesh, which the Chinese consider it as a chinese territory occupied by India.
@Katherine
Hinduism isn’t an ancient religion, there existed no such thing as hindu and hindusm before the muslims came to india. The name ‘Hindu’ was given by muslims. Muslims used to call the people of the indian subcontinent as hindus, it was a geographical tag. The indians who converted to islam started calling themselves muslims and using the word hindu to denote the followers of other religions in India, this is when the word hindu became a religious tag. The word hindu does not even exist in any of the religious texts of the indian subcontinent. Hindu nationalism is a refurbished version of Nazism.
You are underestimating his following. He is still the most popular leader in India. Indians love hero worship, they say that there are about a million gods in india.
Relations have soured, but USA needs Pakistan to keep its presence in central asia. There was a time when USA used to back saddam husein before he outlived his utility.
There really isn’t much difference between Indians and pakistanis apart from religion because they used to be one nations before WW2. Both the nations haven’t shaken off their colonial mentality and consider the Europeans to be gods (forgive my harshness). They readily intake every western propaganda like democracy being the best form of governance (despite 70 years of watching a non-democratic China zoom past them in every field). The indian subcontinent has eyes, yet they cant see .
@ Anonymous
Its the opposite, China needs little to nothing from India, just look at the BRI, it is still going on despite india not participating in it. But if you think india needs little to nothing from China, then you should check out the huge trade deficit between India and China.
There is no doubt that India and Russia have been friendly, but cracks have been appearing in the past few years. Recently, India gave out a statement about condemning the chemical attack on skripals when modi visited UK which was a clear indication of blaming Russia. Some speculate this as a retaliation to the growing ties between Russia and Pakistan.
70 yrs of relationship is historical? what kind of culture do the russians and indians share?
Thanks for the response.
The the William Dalrymple book that I just finished, Return of a King,
India (I think the part of the subcontinent then controlled by the East India Company) was called Hindustan.
Which I guess is a geographical term..
Wikipedia:
“Hindustan is derived from the Persian word Hindū cognate with the Sanskrit Sindhu.[7] The Proto-Iranian sound change *s > h occurred between 850–600 BCE, according to Asko Parpola.[8] Hence, the Rigvedic sapta sindhava (the land of seven rivers) became hapta hindu in the Avesta. It was said to be the “fifteenth domain” created by Ahura Mazda, apparently a land of ‘abnormal heat’.[9] In 515 BCE, Darius I annexed the Indus valley including Sindhu, the present day Sindh, which was called Hindu in Persian.[10] During the time of Xerxes, the term “Hindu” was also applied to the lands to the east of Indus.[7] . . .
In middle Persian, probably from the first century CE, the suffix -stān was added, indicative of a country or region, forming the present word Hindūstān.[11] Thus, Sindh was referred to as Hindūstān in the Naqsh-e-Rustam inscription of Shapur I in c. 262 CE.[12][13]
The scholar Bratindra Nath Mukherjee states that from the lower Indus basin, the term Hindūstān got gradually extended to “more or less the whole of the subcontinent”. The Greco-Roman name “India” and the Chinese name Shen-tu also followed a similar evolution.[12][14] . . .”
One thing the Dalrymple’s story points out is the central role of Persia and the region of Khorasan, now more or less known as Afghanistan, was part of the Persian cultural realm. There was a big fight over Herat, in the West, which was a Persian city.
Now part of Af.
Off topic, I guess, but seems like the Persians named India. Hindia??
I still hear some pundits referring to Iranians as Arabs.
Katherine
The culture of muslims in north india and pakistan has been greatly influenced by persia. The muslim culture of north of indian subcontinent has been formed by the mixing of arabs, persians, afghans, turks and locals. You will find many muslims in north india and pakistan who have arab, persian, afghan and turkic ancestry. The language of muslims of this area, urdu, has arabic script (people of other religions follow Devnagiri script) and has words heavily derived from persian and arabic. The food of these muslims is heavily influenced by central asia and you will find many dishes to be the same. Their architecture has persian and turkic influence (taj mahal). Their literature is derived from persian, poets like hafez, rumi and saadi are popular among them.
This is also the cause of friction in between the muslims and hindus. The muslims aren’t viewed as indians and are looked upon as foreigners.
Only by the right wing crazies, and oddly enough, some among the well educated middle class with pretensions of being elite. That food, architecture and literature is appreciated and enjoyed by Indians in general. Politics in India is very far removed from a national psyche. It can seem paradoxical, but in my view, even as differences are acknowledged, there isn’t a widespread suspicion of the ‘outsider’ Muslim. They are very much Indian and seen as such, except in certain spots/conditions where the forces of division manage to successfully polarize people.
I doubt what you say about the food, architecture and literature being appreciated by indians. The indians in general are vegeterians while the muslims aren’t, recently there was lots of controversy over muslims eating bovines and lots of muslims were killed on the suspicion of eating cows. Architecture like taj mahal is appreciated because it brings them money from tourism, listen to the views of an indian minister
https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/06/16/why-is-the-taj-mahal-not-indian-enough-for-uttar-pradesh-cm-yogi_a_22345065/
Literature i doubt it, only muslims use urdu.
and from the kind of news that can be heard from india and their online media, i doubt your claims. What you said about muslims being seen as indians might have been true 5-10 years ago, it isn’t now. The election of the anti-muslim right wing party is the biggest proof that the indian mentality has changed in these years under the right-wing rule and view the muslims as outsiders, which is somewhat true because islam never belonged to the Indian subcontinent. All the indian religions are polytheist while islam is staunch monotheist. The indian religions aren’t built on the concept of absolute truth. They preach that all paths lead to truth hence all religions lead to truth and expect abrahmic religions to also acknowledge that hindusm to be true. The muslims of indian subcontinent would never do that, since they believe that only one path can lead to truth and all other paths lead astray and incur God’s wrath. The biggest proof of conflict between hindusm and islam is the division of India and pakistan, no other nation was divided on the basis of religion in modern times.
The British Empire had a history of dividing nations when they left. They created both the Muslim League and the Hindu Mahasabha. Plus the SGPC for Sikhs. They created separate electorates for these ‘communities’. They supported the Muslim League’s demand that the Congress Party cannot send any Muslims as its representative for talks about the post-Independence scenario. The division came not from bottom up, but from top down, and India still chose to remain secular with freedom of religion. It may not always work out in practice but to say Hindus and Muslims hate each other is ridiculous.
You make the mistake of taking the political stance and equating it to a religious and cultural reality. There’s over a billion people in India, and I can assure you, not everyone is vegetarian. There’s all sorts of cuisines and ‘Mughlai’ food as it is called is very popular. You can appreciate translated works as well you know, and I do not know of any Indian who does not feel proud of the Taj Mahal.
Yes, the right wing so called Hindus are in power right now and they abuse it. But they came in not primarliy because they are right wing ‘Hindutva’ but because there was a massive coordinated campaign centred around corruption to discredit the previous government in the media. This is a favourite tool of guess who. You see it in Brazil and South Africa too. Despite this the nationalist right wing party received only 34% of votes, though distributed in a manner to give them absolute majority in Parliament. And despite the media hiding or downplaying their failures and dangers, there is a growing mood of disillusionment among the public. Do not believe the media as fact. Why do you think this wouldn’t apply to India?
As to the differences between Muslim and Hindu (which really isn’t a religion) So what? Does any religion preach that you cannot coexist with someone else? To suggest this is a real basis of divide is wrong and only plays into the hands of those that seek to divide people for their own gains. I reject this analysis of India. You can choose to believe the worst and it isn’t without basis. But it is not the truth.
Great article.
As usual, very difficult to find any facts, or even mention in the ‘western’ MSM (propaganda/perception management agencies), even though these developments are changing the world as we know it.
Lot’s of opportunity for investment in a trade infrastructure which will bring prosperity to tens of millions, if not hudreds of millions.
What benefit to India is a connection route to ship Chinese goods to Europe?
India cannot have trade through Pakistan, it us the equivalent of the so-called Ukraine nationalists hate for Russia, except in this case it’s hatred of India and Hindus.
I don’t see the benefits. India can just make direct connection with Iran and through her to Russia, both countries far better to deal with than Pakistan.
I might be wrong but I just don’t see value here for India. Indiais surely a sovereign country with its own interests?
Also, China as Asian hegemon replacing the US does nothing for Indian interests.
Actually a Chinese hegemon would be better than a USA hegemon, but that is not what China is doing.As to how India would benefit from being a connection route to ship Chinese goods to Europe, well for one thing India will get paid for allowing the transit and I doubt the goods are only for the European market, it’s probably also for Indian market and others in-between.Incidentally the Ukraine nationalists you mentioned are actually threatening Russia to not stop the gas flow through Ukraine to Europe(weird situation, I realize), not the other way around, the exact opposite of the Indian position.
This is the historic problem with Ukraine, vis a vis gas:
They control the big pipeline to Europe. So, they can jerk Russia’s chain in various ways.
Stop the flow. Not stop the flow. Steal gas destined for Europe. Not pay for their own gas and get away with it by threatening such actions. Etc.
Katherine
But isn’t Russia routing around Ukraine now?
From the online comments that i read on the online media of both India and pakistan, the indian commentators display disproportionately more hate against the muslims. The indians have even invaded pakistani media comments sections and post disguising comments which can rival the hasbara trolls.
note- I neither mean that there exists no muslims who hate hindus not do i say that all hindus hate muslims.
Goodness, those evil Hindus right.
No attacking the author. Mod
The little girl attack was a false flag btw.
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Here is the charge sheet according to your own newspaper:
“‘Inside story’ of how one of the most horrific rape-murders of J&K was planned & executed”
These revelations, allegedly brought to light during the interrogation of the accused, form the basis of the chargesheet the Jammu & Kashmir police crime branch filed Monday.
https://theprint.in/governance/inside-story-of-how-one-of-the-most-horrific-rape-murders-of-jk-was-planned-executed/48129/
The 8 year old girl was singled out because she was a Muslim nomads whom Hindus want to kick out. She was abducted, brought to a Hindu temple, drug and raped for 5 days.
Hindus from left and right went on a protest “BJP Leader in Front, Hindu Ekta Manch Waves Tricolour in Support of Rape Accused in Jammu
In a video clip of the rally, protestors can be seen carrying the tricolour and chanting anti-government slogans while marching in support of the accused Deepak Khajuria.”
https://thewire.in/politics/hindu-ekta-manch-bjp-protest-support-spo-arrested-rape-jammu
J, regardless of your internet rants, ordinary Indians and Chinese have no enmity towards each other.
I doubt you are even Chinese.
Trolling anti Hindu propaganda and false flag statements serves whom I wonder.
Hot off Hindu press at 04/30:
“Jammu and Kashmir cabinet reshuffle: BJP inducts pro-Hindutva faces, MLA who defended Kathua rape accused”
https://www.firstpost.com/politics/jammu-and-kashmir-cabinet-reshuffle-bjp-inducts-pro-hindutva-faces-mla-who-defended-kathua-rape-accused-4451301.html
Chinese are very well aware that people of North East are discriminated by indians because they are looking like Chinese….
I think you are missing the point slightly (of the BRI, new silk road), it’s not just about the connections, transport routes. It never was I think. It’s the way to kick off the common market, it’s all the infrastructure that’s going to be built around it. It’s the work and jobs created for all of that. Many central regions could spring to life, and India is in many ways replacing China now as the hub of cheap labor, and still has millions to feed, I’m guessing even more is in those areas up north if I remember right.
Many forget that China has a very successful model of rising up from one of the poorest to soon (if not already) the wealthiest country, CN knows how it could jumpstart the rest of the Asia into doing the same thing, making a big market, with lot of people, many of them will with years become big consumers (as China is becoming itself), and I’m guessing Africa could then become the next target then (China is already very interested in).
It’s that model they want to export here (for their own good, they need the rest of the Asia replacing the US at least in part, the resources, the market etc.).
I don’t see how could that not help India? I think they’re aware of that, but are just playing games with US, probably being bullied, bribed and all sorts of things, it’s politics after all.
Though they could decide to join later but there will be drawbacks to that certainly (some other countries will fill in the gap for India).
India never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Or to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory . .
MK Bhadrakumar’s blog Indian Punchline is sometimes an interesting read on the subject.
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/
What do you expect from people who worship created things.
The most important thing Indians strive for, and try so hard to impersonate are all things western. Its their very shallow and cuckolding ways.
Bollywood is in total love with Hollywood. If your a ‘light’ skinned Indian, you have so many more opportunities to advance, rather than just a ‘plain ole Indian’-darker version.
And btw, since 1980, China has lifted 700 million people out of poverty, while in India’s caste system, 900 + million live in dire entrenched poverty. Go look at China’s new mega-metropolises, and then go look at the 4th world Indian cities and towns, besides New Delhi and perhaps Mumbai, and even they are shabby.
Indians are the wests punks. And they suffer a ‘brain-drain’ , in that all its educated class are living and working in the U.S. and Britain.
I believe that the UN calculated that China was responsible for 110% of the number of people raised out of poverty since 2000. 110% because in some countries, including India, poverty increased. India’s basic problem, which is intractable and terminal, is that democracy can never work or even be utilitarianly useful in a capitalist state, let alone a state burdened by a feudal caste system like India.
Never fear, the world is steadily leaving Halford Mackinder, British Geopolitics and the Entire Eton Playing Field and Dormitories Matrix of Anal Rape in the dustbin of history.
India has just had more centuries of such abuse to overcome, but she (and he) is getting there, understandably more butt-hurt than other Asian victims of European colonialism.
Many of the comments here reflect the old fears and paranoias.
Meanwhile, the Silk Road Lady is very sober yet upbeat about the Xi Modi meeting in Wuhan and the Putin-Modi-Xi SCO conference in June:
https://youtu.be/43_Z4iFcF3E
Interviewer Harley Schlanger leads off asking Helga about a “paradigm change” sort of exemplary development right within the Federal Republic of Germany which directly undermines the Merkle Micron May gassy narrative regarding striking Syria:
A report by the Bundestag Scientific Research Service declaring the dumb missile strike a violation of international law based on zero proof of any Assad culpability of anything, undermines Anglela’s tired old wannabe Luftwaffe Fuhrerin aspirations.
There are also subtle and not so subtle shifts in Japan, both Koreas, and even India itself indicating that the Silk Road Spirit is spreading, which Helga details.
Patience, it’s all headed in the right direction. Even in the USA.
Go ahead, cynics: Make my day:
I have a Microcosmic (nothing directly to do with shrinking Macron or Micronesia…..only indirectly related, in both cases…..) Pacific Basin Melting Pot Report from the OC if you will have none of said paradigm shift ……….until after the Shift is Complete.
U.S. blather is becoming hilarious: “China is undermining the rules-based international order.” Of course, this is meant as “street-feed” at home – but this form of tripe from our age-old master of world disorder, death and destruction is still UNBELIEVABLE.
Years ago M.K. Bhadrakumar very accurately defined the problem:
““The Americans are vastly experienced with the Indians’ Himalayan ego and by now they know well enough where and how to tickle Indian vanities. How they pedal fresh dreams to the Indians and pick up the fruits of their endeavors will be keenly watched not only by the multitude of Indians back at home, but also by the Pakistanis, Chinese and the Russians” (The Dragon spews fire at the Elephant, by M K Bhadrakumar @Asia Times, Oct. 17 2009).
And not infrequently commentators feared that India would reach the SCO in order to throw wrenches in its spokes.
Hopefully they will wake up. But I hold my breath. India belongs to ‘Oceania’.
“Rules-based International Order” is Orwellian American NewSpeak and is neither rules based nor international.
In practice, “rules based international order” means America and its crime partners waging wars of aggression based on deceptions like (non-existent) Iraqi Weapons of Destruction; the humanitarian bombing and destruction of Libya; false-flag chemical attacks staged by America’s beloved moderate jihadists in Syria; or deliberately destabilizing Eurasia through its divide-and-conquer tactics from the Ukraine to the South China Sea.
As for India, it’s pretty obvious India is America’s Trojan Horse in the SCO, BRICS, and Eurasia in general.
Indeed, despite its multipolar rhetoric, India is increasingly cozying up to the Zionist wing of the Anglo-American-Zionist Axis of Evil.
It’s almost pathetically comical how Hindutva India and the Zionist Apartheid state are now Best Friends Forever.
Modi’s Visit To Israel: Embrace Of Two Deadly Ideologies, Zionism And Hindutva
https://countercurrents.org/2017/07/05/modis-visit-to-israel-embrace-of-two-deadly-ideologies-zionism-and-hindutva/
India’s New Crush on Israel
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/243136/indias-new-crush-on-israel
India and Israel: Modi and Bibi are brothers in arms
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-israel-india-comment-a0247648-0051-11e8-8acf-ad2991367d9d-20180123-story.html
Further to all that is said:
Certainly the recent unveiling of advanced weapons systems by Russia must have caused a major rethink in many capitals of the world. Analyses of subsequent events should not omit to consider this as a cause of subtle but overt shifts in geopolitics.
I’d be very interested to see how Pepe or others view last years debt conciliation with Sri Lanka resulting in China Merchants Port Holdings taking out a 99 year lease on the Sri Lankan port of Hambantota. The acquisition of this port and the ability to expand infrastructure around it, formally handed over in Dec 2017 gives China a seemingly maritime alternative to access Western Asian states.
There is a story here somewhere around the Chinese leasing of a chain of Indian Ocean ports as part of the BRI that doesn’t appear to be told in the greater context of the BRI. Much of the media around it seems to be focusing on land access while not discussing the Southern sea lanes that are being ‘linked’ to this system.
Personally I’d like to get some feedback by those looking at the bigger picture to get a broader view of the system in its totality.
Regards,
Ad.
4.4 billion people live in the whole of Asia, which the BRI, as well as India’s Iran-Russia corridor will develop. Very short term thinking from India believing only one project is necessary in the long run, Develop the whole continent, stop competing in a saboutage format, it just slows every one down!
… the best news from India since quite some time:
Monsanto Loses Patent Rights in India
https://gizadeathstar.com/2018/04/gmo-geopolitics-update-monstersanto-loses-patent-rights-in-india/
But what will India sell via this route? apart from supplying wheat to Afghanistan? India neither has the manufacturing and technological capability of China nor the capital to invest in such mega projects. And even if India manages to produce goods, they would not be able to compete with the Chinese ones.
Wouldn’t it be an interesting symbolic move for Russia and China to go to the UNSC and ask for sanctions against the USA for violating the UNSC resolution that approved the “Iran nuclear deal”?
It would be veto’d of course, like pretty much anything by either side in the UNSC these days. But it might create some interesting discussion around the world.
The current Indian govt may be US stooges, but that doesn’t mean India is. At least unless they allow Modi to completely destroy the institutions in place.
While India is inundated with Western news and ‘way of life’ almost entirely, I do not think Indians view the world quite the same way. Maybe because they aren’t the centre of empire, and never really were an empire throughout history. Russia is still seen as a friendly nation, Putin is largely admired, but there is a deep distrust of China. Probably stemming from the war in 1962, and the more recent alleged support for rebels within India. That China also supports Pakistan is another issue affecting the Indian outlook towards China.
I think eventually Modi will go, and India will decide to join the BRI, but not for a while, and not till there is some immediate benefit that they can point to. Once they do not have reason to fear both the Chinese and the American response, they will join the Asian growth story. Neither they, nor the rest of Asia can afford for them to be left out. Meanwhile, the INSTC and other initiatives without expressly stated Chinese political backing, should help get things moving in the right direction.
The United Hates of Umarkuh is accusing China of “undermining the rules-based international order.” (!?!?) Bring in the straight jackets!
Kashmir, the stumbling block? Surprise me and hit me with a feather. This proposal is a setup by both China and Pakistan as India would never agree to that. It is a huff in global chess and India was not prepared to suspend its absurd chauvinism and lose its ‘hill station’ and recreational paradise. They would prefer to bomb the people there to oblivion and have ‘true upper cast’ Indians reside there.
Ditto Pakistan.
If both of these two agreed to the Kashmir route then guess whose tourists would move in and colonise Kashmir? Take a peek in the pacific islands to see the consequences.
This was never a sensible option.
So where else can the route to Pakistan/Afghanistan be built Pepe?
They would prefer to bomb the people there to oblivion and have ‘true upper cast’ Indians reside there.
So true, the indian brahmins think that their ancestors were same aryans ancestors of the germans (this is why hitler is popular in India). Few months ago, an 8 yr muslim girl was held captive, drugged and raped in the indian state of Jammu by the upper caste brahmins to instill fear in muslims and drive them out that area. The muslims fled the area in fear. Huge religious rallies were held in support of the rapists and lawyers blocked police to registering complaint against the rapists.
The indian upper caste will stop at nothing to ‘purify’ their area from ‘untouchables’.
Meanwhile, in Indian occupied Kashmir, the vicious repression, aided and abetted by Israel with its expertise in brutally suppressing restive Moslem populations, continues. New developments include the use of irregular shaped bird-shot, used on demonstrators to blind the mostly young participants, and, often enough, innocent bystanders ie ‘collateral damage’. Kashmiri eye-surgeons were getting adept at removing the old, smooth, bird-shot, so, demonstrating true ‘moral values’ so necessary in Imperial stooges, India moved to introduce irregular bird-shot, guaranteeing more blindings.
This is like a home strike!
And hence religion was born in India– that such a thing as (organized) religion came into existence, as a reactionary identity. Which is a religiosity infiltrated by belief. Even nationalism as an identity has its roots here, not that there is a qualitative anything between statism and religion
To understand India, not to miss the forest for the trees, it is a land that has been crucified at least for a thousand or two, years, for being non- believers. In colloquial terms it is a land of seekers and not believers – though the term seeker in itself is reductionist because seeking implies a prejudice that there is something at the end of the line, which is the infiltration of consciousness by time, antithetic to the core of Indian philosophy and thought
No nobody speaks about that, least of all the Indians, that probably over a hundred million Indians were slaughtered by the believers (Islam and the missionary colonizers) the bulk of the killings are on Islam’s plate. Even if conveniently dismissed by every opportunistic perspective, it is not going to go away.
I can’t go of topic too much, except to make one more point on the subject – which is that worse than the slaughter is the social engineering and the psychological decimation that was ruthlessly realized
Back to current affairs – India’s condemnation of the Skripal attack is in no way any indication of blaming Russia – the statement said that India condemns chemical attacks by anybody anywhere, at any time that’s about as generic as it gets. If there is a source that indicates otherwise, please provide a link.
India did go further that it usually does, with the external affairs minister in Japan stating India will not expel Russian diplomats and will not restrict the North Korean embassy as the Americans wanted. Maybe not a big deal but that it was declared in a quasi-American parlor is a point to note
On the cultural and civilizational connect between India and Russia, Russian language and the early Indian language of Sanskrit, are literal similarities. Here is an interesting video where Russian researchers trace Indians and Russians to the same people who were a flourishing civilization 5000 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqYzs41OEas
Notwithstanding the veracity of anthropological contours, perhaps instigated from where I stand, there is a Russian Indian affinity as the two identities that have been on the right side of history for the longest time, in spite of having suffered the worst genocides humans have been subject to.
Modi is a close call – institutions like the election commission, the reserve bank of India, information and broadcasting, seem to have been breached. As has been the case the last call is the judiciary which derailed a powerful Indira Gandhi – there has been a war going on the past few months between the government and the judiciary and within the judiciary. We will see what happens. (There is also the turn that Modi’s popularity is waning, the BJP has been losing or set back in the recent assembly and by polls). The recent Monsanto judgement is encouraging, a far reaching one at that, not short changing the scope of its implication that seeds and life forms cannot be patented under any circumstances. Having said that there have been some despicable judgements as well, and so the battle goes on.
Modi is more a neoliberal than a neocon. The danger I figure is that he doesn’t get how dangerous he can be being instrumental for the neo whichever. Fickleness has a purchase though. If the globalists have incorporated him, as he has shown often enough he is their Trojan horse. Neither BRICS nor SCO or any of the other acronyms or associated states are likely to incorporate him. If anything it’s a little late in the day for that. That’s good then
About the case of an eight-year-old girls rape in the state of Jammu there has been an uprising all over India, even down south in the city where I live in, in Bangalore. There has been a rather novel protest movement called my street my protest where folks do not have to go to protest venues, they just step out of their homes in protest and this has raised community awareness and a support base for the victims. And this is costing the government
Can you imagine a protest happening for a Hindu girl in Pakistan? There were over 20 percent Hindus in Pakistan at the time of partition now the Hindu population is less than 2 percent. The percentage of Muslims in India is the same since independence. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri pundits living in Kashmir who have been ethnically cleansed. This in a Hindu majority country of India! Then there is the state sponsored terrorism from across that’s fueling the resistance in Kashmir. To paint India as the aggressor should be an embarrassment even to someone who is not embarrassed by cognitive incoherence
The irrational substandard spewing of hatred and India bashing is why in an intensely fundamental neighborhood there is a necessity for a Modi. It is not surprising that he is seen as a la deliverance.
As I have stated above the danger is not that of India as a war mongering nation which is an absurdity, but a tendency to fascism or authoritarianism succor to a neoliberal dream and a neo liberal enterprise. Which is obviously oppressive primarily to Hindus, they being the majority. As well as the others of course
The psychological archetype of India and Indian, given a cultural and historical etymology is indigenous. Which is of the land, of the earth and is anticolonial and anti-imperial. It is antithetic to religion. antithetic to statehood. It is more a geographical and anthropological phenomenon.
India was a collection of hundreds of princely states, groups, tribes, ethnicities, whatever it’s almost like nobody cares. The take away is that of decentralization, of the movement of the in-dividual. The root meaning is in-divisible (the essential paradox) every other conceivable form or sect or sectarianism is divisive and violent potentially. Here is another essential paradox, or its congenital manifestation – you will find Indians excessively and obscenely patriotic. The obscenity of course is confusing the sacredness of an impregnated land to narrowness of nationalism. Paradoxes may just yet transcend the contradictions…..
As far as a case of empires go, the primitive, barbaric idea, singularly lacking in imagination – empires happened sure, some 2000 years ago, and the best of them dozens of kings that followed from the Buddha to Ashoka the great, they all found becoming sanyasis (monks) infinitely more sensual.
There is not much to choose between a religion and a state, both outcomes of categorical and insidious indoctrination. If you choose not to die for your god, you can choose to die for your state. Not particularly honorable or virtuous is it, it makes life a four letter word
This rant is partly in response to the coinage of the terms Hindu and India :)
This is related to the usage of term hindu and hindustan. It does not mean religion didn’t exist in India prior to Islam. India is one of the oldest civilizations, the ancient religion of Indians is sanathan dharma or Arya dharma
http://veda.wikidot.com/sanatana-dharma
and the territory which they occupied is called aryavrata.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80ry%C4%81varta
After Independence, The RSS (an organization created by the upper caste, mainly brahmins) cleverly used the term hindu to hoodwink people who did not follow the sanathan dharma and were traditionally considered outside the caste system into believing that their ancestors were ‘hindu’. Most of them were tribals and constituted a significant chunk of the indian population. Others were what gandi called ‘untouchables’ and then the sudras, the lowest rank in the caste system. This is the reason why groups like Jats, gurjars call themselves hindu but don’t come under the hindu caste system.
The tribals used to worship nature as they lived in the forests. The sudras were barred from having religious knowledge and reading the highest religious literature. The RSS propaganda has been so successful that people around the world think that all indians who are not muslims, christians or sikhs are hindus. Even the tribals, untouchables call themselves hindu now.
Over the years, the RSS sent it’s foot soldiers to tribal areas and among the lower caste to educate them into the newly created religion, named Hinduism, which was an amalgamation of local beliefs with the sanathan dharma and to make them practice it.
No one should have problems with what the indians do among themselves, whether they create a new religion or not, but this new religion mutated into ‘hindutva’ whose existence is based on Islam being its anti-thesis. It would not be far fetched to say that had it not been for islam, there would have been no modi or hindutva.
The indians probably don’t read their own history.
The Marathas occupied Bihar and western Bengal up to the Hooghly River. During that time, the Maratha invaders, called “Bargis” in Bengali, perpetrated atrocities against the local population, against Bengali Muslims as well as Bengali Hindus. The Marathas reportedly plundered and burned villages, murdered pregnant women and infants, and gang-raped women, and are estimated to have killed about 400,000 people. The Maratha atrocities during their invasion of Bengal is considered to be among the deadliest massacres in Indian history.
The maraths were not muslims, they were what you would call as ‘hindus’. Surprisingly when the marathas were raping and killing their own ‘hindu’ brethren and not one ‘hindu’ leader came to save them, a muslim commander named Alivardi Khan came to their rescue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_invasions_of_Bengal
This does not mean that the muslim invaders didn’t massacre the local indian population and torture the ‘hindus’. But putting the blame on ‘Islam’s plate’ is ignorance of one’s own history.
But even before muslims came to india, the upper caste ‘hindus’ were already torturing and killing their own untouchables ‘hindu’ brethren.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranvir_Sena
These atrocities are being documented in modern times but go back long before islam. Infact, the arab invasion of sindh by mohammad bin qasim was successful due to the anger of bhuddists, lower castes against the brahmin raja. Mohammad bin qasim and his army were welcomed as liberators.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-joins-uk-in-slamming-russia-for-attack-on-ex-spy/articleshow/63823032.cms
European, persian and indian languages like sanskrit come under indo-aryan languages and they have similarities. Citing this as a cultural tie makes even the germans, english and the frenchmen have cultural ties with indians, which is obviously not true!
Some of your compatriots are even declaring that the rape case of 8 yr old was false. The best Indians do is compare themselves with the Pakistanis (same illness affects the pakistanis, comparing themselves with the indians), asking for a similar response from pakistanis. Don’t forget that the rape and murder were pre planned, the rapists were supported by the ruling party and lawyers came in support of the rapists.
And the cleansing of muslims in Jammu during partition?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres
https://scroll.in/article/811468/the-killing-fields-of-jammu-when-it-was-muslims-who-were-eliminated
India is as a whole a hindu majority country, but once you analyze individual regions, this is not the case. Kashmir is muslim majority, north east states are christian and the southern most state of kerala have muslim and christian population when combined exceed the hindus.
Then why do the indians shy away from holding plebiscite on kashmir and let kashmiris decide if they will stay with india or form a separate country? Does india fear the embarrassment that Ukraine faced during the decision of crimea and it’s subsequent annexation by Russia?
You are living in a bubble created by your own media. You don’t realize that India’s neighbors are getting irritated by India’s unnecessary interference in their internal affairs. Their anger has led the Nepalese and sri lankans to elect a prime ministers who are pro chinese. There are reports of explosions due to bomb attacks carried out by the Nepalese on Indian projects in Nepal as a result of anger against indian meddling. Bhutanese are angry over India dictating bhutan’s foreign policies and not allowing it to freely conduct ties with countries like China. Maldives has already slipped out of India’s hands and has become anti-indian and pro chinese. Bangladesh is also actively courting chinese for investments. Bangladesh will soon go into elections and there is a possibility of removal of pro-india government. Conditions were not like this before, all this happened after modi came to power and laid down his hawkish policies.
No one is singling out and targeting india due to their religion, ethnicity, culture or history. The backlash is due to india’s policies towards it’s neighbors and it’s support for AZ empire’s projects (like Quad bloc) which seek to disrupt the emergence of multipolar world order. India used to produced great men like Buddha, its hard to see india getting reduced to the condition that it is in today.
Perhaps india (and pakistan) can dump her dream of getting accepted into the western sphere and getting along with it’s neighbors, especially china. Russia, China and India combined can usher a new era of prosperity and multipolar world order.
I like your post. I think India’s foreign policy, which despite the issues it had, has been completely destroyed under this government and its insistence on being seen to be strong. The past initiatives taken to draw India closer to its immediate neighbourhood and beyond have been squandered and spectacularly so. And Kashmir has seen conditions worsen too. India cannot keep blaming Pakistan for making life of its own citizens difficult and dangerous. However, I understand and agree with the logic of not holding a plebiscite until the situation is peaceful. While this might be a biased position, I think it is reasonable and would allow Kashmiris to make a more informed and sound decision on their future. There is also the strategic danger of Pakistan taking over an independent Kashmir through violence and this would threaten India’s security. For this reason I think we are not going to see India give in to a demand for Kashmiri independence unless the situation changes dramatically. (China can help here, but then the US wouldn’t allow it.)
The comparison of India with Pakistan is also guided by politico-religious beliefs and is more damaging to the national psyche and outlook.
Compared to about 8 years ago, before the media undertook the ‘war on corruption’ India was looking to the world with confidence and belief that it can match or better anyone in any sphere. It was rising on the social scale with health and education improving, growing in the economic sphere, and was becoming more of a player on the world stage.
This was squandered away by the focus on corruption, basically demeaning the country in the eyes of its own people, and leading to the promotion of the idea of ‘strong’ leadership, and equating oneself with just Pakistan rather than the whole world. The illusion of strength, ancient and modern, rather than actual strength.
I believe this was coordinated by the West precisely to keep India in check, and as a useful tool to counter China. Not surprising not only has it weakened India, it has also weakened India’s influence in its neighbourhood, making an opposition to China actually more difficult.
In terms of history though, I shall have to disagree with your focus on ‘Hindus’ and ‘Muslims’ killing each other. Unlike the focus on religion, India did not see itself as having strict religious boundaries. Even when riots/killings took up the banner of religion, it was usually concentrated around local socio economic factors. rather a national religious identity/psyche. The religious identity was solidified under British rule through their policies, whereby previously the ties were more tribal or local than religious.
I agree that China and India can usher in a new era. While the historical and cultural ties with Russia might be tenuous, India and China do have cultural ties, despite their own rich and diverse histories. Even today, economic ties are strong (if one sided) But Indians have a deep distrust of China and Chinese intentions. I am not sure to what extent this feeling is mutual, but judging by Chinese reports it seems it is. I am not sure this can be overcome anytime soon. But if the prize is big enough, maybe in time China and India can respect each others’ issues and seek to work them out, while also working around them. I don’t expect it to happen under the Modi government but maybe there will be a new government in India soon which will be more independent and India and Asia centric in its policies.
What Hindu girls in Pakistan?
They were all raped and killed or converted generations ago.
What was the population of Hindus in modern day Pakistan or Kashmir in 1900?
In 1800?
Genocide is a word used for such shifts.
But you don’t care about facts.
It’s just continuous outpouring of Hindus are bad nonsense.
You’ve stated a few untrue facts here that needed clearing up. First Pakistan has over 2 million Hindu’s in their population. It is the 5th largest Hindu population in the World (according to estimates soon to be the 4th largest).
” Hindus comprise approximately 2% of Pakistan’s population.[5] Hinduism is the second largest religion in Pakistan after Islam, according to the 1998 Census.[3] As of 2010, Pakistan had the fifth largest Hindu population in the world and PEW predicts that by 2050 Pakistan will have the fourth largest Hindu population in the world.[6]”
“After Pakistan gained independence from Britain on 14 August 1947, 4.7 million of the country’s Hindus and Sikhs migrated to India, while 6.5 million Muslims migrated from India to Pakistan.[8] The 1998 census of Pakistan recorded less than 2.5 million Hindus.[14] The overwhelming majority of Hindus in Pakistan are concentrated in Sindh province.”
“In the 1998 Census the Hindu population was found to be 2,443,614.[3] Hindus are found in all provinces of Pakistan but are mostly concentrated in Sindh.”
As can be seen here while 4.7 million Hindus and Sikhs left Pakistan (which included Bangladesh at that time).They were surpassed by almost 2 million (6.5 million) ,by the number of Muslim Indians fleeing to Pakistan.
And the population in 1800?
In 1900?
Throughout the subcontinent?
And the organised attacks and worse by Muslims during partition, of whom Hindus and Sikhs were the victims.
Whatever, I am sure if someone wants to find the truth they can read enough.
If not, they can go on believing Hindus, ever the victims, are the perpetrators of violence.
Oh, My God! As soon as a topic even tangentially touches India, the Indian and/or Hindu warriors come out, spouting nonsense and “ancient wisdom”. And they are always joined by their Pakistani Muslim “friends” in this game of shouting obscenities and nonsense at each other and onlookers. I am sick to death of these Indian and Pakistani jingoistic warriors. With the exception of a few even sadder specimens, these two countries are Asia’s most wretched, dirtiest, over-populated ticking tome bombs of the future. Both double their populations every 25 years, both lack water, and God knows what lies ahead for these two as they remain obsessed with their past enmities, ancient hatreds, and jingoistic religiosities. The rest of Asia (China, Korea, Malaysia) marches purposefully and steadily into the future, leaving these two to keep battling ancient problems.
The acronym BRIC was coined in New York, by the American Neoliberal and elitist establishment. It is a sad commentary on the mental independence of these states that they adopted the name bestowed on them by others.
Unfortunately, this BRIC creature has showed itself to be a very sickly, fickle and unsteady child. Its name was changed to BRICS, perhaps to increase its life expectancy. That change didn’t quite stick. Then Brazil dropped out, leaving only RIC. Now India is looking like a fickle and wavering passenger on the RIC boat, ready to wander out towards greener Western/Israeli pastures, making it look that RC might be a more realistic name. But how do you pronounce RC, or should it be CR? What vowel can be inserted into it to give this child at least a pronounceable name?
Me thinks R by itself and C by itself can describe two strong and growing young adults. All they need is inner strength and inner convictions. Of course they can (and should) be good friends. But states and civilizations develop from within, not with outside props.
Indians probably don’t read their own history
Interesting post anonymous, I haven’t yet had the time to go through it, which I will but meantime a quick response
If I find a credible account of history I will read it, which implies not merely being lost in the details, but having the intelligence and discernment to integrate a psychological narrative as the higher arbiter of truth
I’m not a nationalist, and to suggest any history as my history is an insinuation that subjects me to the abuse of a reductionist identity and that of identity per se. which makes me a subject. I’m not a subject
The whole game is state vs subject in case some indignant posters here with some very smart sounding anguish haven’t figured it out. Moral anguish at that – amusing. Really, I’m not pissed. Ha ha – look see whose pissed!
To reject wisdom using some corny sounding phrases like ancient wisdom, is why the so called developed countries wallow in their collective insanity that enables them to behave the way they do. The linear archetype of looting, murder, extortion with a paedophilic dressing and then point fingers at the victim
To the point (of the article as well) the current infrastructure projects are ecological disasters, as much as the concrete dysfunctional mess all global cities are. The smart and orderly looking exteriors are a putrid mess underneath. Even through the lead and fluoride infested water and food your governments are feeding you, you should be able to see that. Laced with iridium, caeseum, nano particles, chem trails? Take your pick
But please understand it’s important to have fun, which ironically might require to pay attention to what people have written. Otherwise you’ll look so much more like that which you are pointing to, and no one ever sees that sort of thing coming
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Gee what are we in nursery school or what? Do I have to gruntle down to point out the contradiction from your first and second statements, and the disconnection with the next. I like your energy and I’m sure you haven’t turned orange yet. But I would like to have mistaken that to be some kind of dialectical capability. If you are from somewhere around the subcontinent that would be useful. Sure the upper caste whatever should be accountable, I have no cheer from those sods
That’s out of a comic book – some of my compatriots? That’s abuse and contextual vagrancy, since I have to choose phrases that are not direct enough. Get over your personalization fetish and raise your game. Where I’m coming from is not even in the vicinity of your registry. I have to admit though it’s fun to respond to your oblivion. Wish I had enough time for this stuff.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-joins-uk-in-slamming-russia-for-attack-on-ex-spy/articleshow/63823032.cms
you post an article like that and I’m the one living in a bubble created by the media? Times of India is the kind rash that will make CNN drool. It seems to work for you. I don’t know what kind of thing that is that wrote that article, some kind of Morgellons termite? If you can’t see the contradictions between your own sentences, you are not going to see the hole between the joint statement and the headline and add ons are you?
Don’t worry I’m not orange yet, I’ll still read whatever else you have written. Not only that I’ll attempt some subtler stuff. Let’s say it’s on labor day
Believers probably were everywhere. That’s like an improvised landscape where there are trees, now you have lots of furniture. The pedestrian mayhem known as, the favorite term I think is, sheeple. There you have the problem in one word.
There have also been others, who understood that being religious means to get with something sacred. Nothing to do with the organized monstrosity that is religion. Obviously these are the types that tweak planetary consciousness.
I’m not too interested in the religious texts. The Sanatan dharma, Vedas and others. they probably have parts in them that are rational enough to be a teaching. Not a commandment which is violence (rational sensibilities are a precursor to sacred things like intelligence and spirituality.after all these years one still has to spell it out. :)
Violence is a differentiator. You might find these perspectives useful. We have two singularities as we speak akin to the red pill and the blue pill.
One is Artificial intelligence, the root structure of which is the corporate state. Linear efficiency to the hilt like obliterating thermonuclear fission. Efficiency is a low order event, tends to peak violence, since it doesn’t have the transformative potential of even a minimalist field science tool like a Tesla coil. However AI is exponentially more capable in the linear paradigm our species is overwhelmingly restricted to. Which means the human species has lost the initiative The cabal running the show, whether it’s the deep state or the reality TV style heads of state are still the root structure. Nobody is in charge (which actually has a romantic ring to it. Alas) Which is a developmental issue, not some infrastructure development considering the acronyms on the table
The other singularity is the advent of a benevolent consciousness in the beast (the blood letting sacrificial human type) the transformative potential, which has also been taking place. One must understand the source of the civilizational heritage of consciousness to have a meaningful psychological narrative to inform history.
India- individual- indivisible – indigenous. That just occurred to me, the individual connection. The in-dividual is the only possible non fragmented whole that there is.
Any group based on any Idea/belief is either evil or retarded. The former history tells you (evil) and the latter (retarded) is by definition
A group based on an idea is the archetype of religion. The same archetype whether you call it capitalism, communism, nationalism, wahabism, socialism and on and on. The only qualitative difference is that they are either violent or ignorant. And ignorance is inseparable from evil. Cannot underestimate idiocy, how spectacular an useful idiot there can be. So we get a spectacle society with its presidents and premiers
I’m not sure who coined the name India. I’m not sure there is any evidence, it’s probably accidental genius. Synchronicity has to be elemental in genius anyway since it is in spite of the self, it’s not egotistical. But there can be no better name than this. Contextually, historically, spiritually, integrally, ontologically, epistemologically from any angle one looks at it
Synchronicity some. India is the only intelligent civilizational heritage that exists in this sorry assed planet. Try bashing India and being original cause as I have said it has been going on at least for a couple of thousand years, the crucifixion. The destruction and misery of India bears testimony to what the world has done, what it is doing and what it IS. what is more under wraps is that bashing India is in some sense bashing yourself, the individual . the nationalists are the worst now since they are closer to home, but every other ideology has a head start historically. What happens when without a warning you are faced with the absence of ideology. Its gonna scare the hill billy pants off you
Think about what the west/abrahamics have done for instance, not just to Jesus but to anyone who insists on some kind of sanity, try curing cancer or running a car without oil. A part of it has moved since the medieval times but the part that is still dominant is in love with the jihadi boys
On a secular note. There is the sense of history to this. If you set foot on this land you are Indian. You have to take your shoes and socks off though.
Which is one problem with infrastructure projects and end to end concrete masses and high rises and shoes. If you have never stepped barefoot on the earth I don’t see how you can rid yourself of schizophrenia. You could do that where you are right now. Morphic resonance might yet make you an individual and the program could wither :)