by Pepe Escobar (cross-posted with the Asia Times by special agreement with the author)
Turning and turning in a widening gyre, the geopolitics of the young 21st century resembles a psychedelic mandala conceived by Yama, the Lord of Death.
Kim Jong Un, chairman of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, fresh from a 70-hour train journey, meets in prosperous, communist Hanoi with fellow Nobel Peace Prize contender Donald Trump under the benevolent gaze of Uncle Ho.
This very sentence, if announced not long ago, would have elicited transcontinental howls of derision.
Chairman Kim, owner of a small nuclear arsenal, is deemed worthy of dialogue by the hyperpower while the nuclear-deprived leadership in Iran is not, even as the hyperpower ditched a multilateral, UN-approved, working nuclear deal.
In parallel, the hottest border in Asia reveals itself not to be the DMZ between the Koreas, but once again the Line of Control between nuclear powers India and Pakistan in Kashmir.
Although Islamabad and Delhi might, in theory, escalate to pointing nuclear missiles towards each other, the DPRK won’t point a nuclear-tipped missile at Guam and Tehran points to nothing at all, as it does not hold any nuclear missiles.
In a lighter, Looney Tunes vein, exit regime change in Pyongyang, while regime change in Iran stays, and enter regime change in Venezuela. Iran may still be placed in the Axis of Evil, but the new motto is the troika of tyranny (Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua) as the government in Caracas plays ‘Beep Beep’ to the hyperpower’s Wily Coyote.
An array of dodgy US neocons and shady “foundations” keep the flame of regime change in Iran alive, even fabricating a Tehran-al-Qaeda axis, while in Venezuela a stealth scenario advances. An astonishing briefing at the Ministry of Foreign Relations in Moscow this past Friday revealed that “US special forces and tech units will be delivered closer to Venezuela’s borders. We do have information that the US and its NATO partners are organizing for a mass delivery of weapons for the opposition in Venezuela, which will come from an Eastern European country.”
Facts are implacable. NATO, after nearly two decades, was miserably defeated in Afghanistan. The NATO-Gulf Cooperation Council war by proxy in Syria failed. The winners are Damascus, Tehran and Moscow. The conflict in Donbass is frozen. So, a remixed Monroe doctrine is back, even as a humanitarian ploy – reminiscent of the “humanitarian imperialism” that led to the destruction of Libya – may have failed, for now.
Brazilian Vice-President General Hamilton Mourao has introduced a dose of sanity going against the “all options on the table” regime change of his own President, Jair Bolsonaro. Mourao constantly insists “the Venezuela question must be decided by Venezuelans”, adding that US threats sound “more like rhetoric than action” as a military attack would be “purposeless”.
Watch that K
What’s in a name? Pakistan may indeed mean “land of the pure” in Urdu, but the key is in the acronym; K stands for Kashmir – alongside P for Punjab, A for Afghania (actually the Pashtun tribal areas), S for Sindh and T for the “tan” in Balochistan. K is a matter of national identity.
The first Indo-Pak war after Partition in 1947 was over Kashmir. In the following year, Kashmir was divided by the Line of Control (LoC), which remains the de facto Berlin Wall of Asia, way more dangerous than the demilitarized zone (DMZ) between the Koreas. Another mini-war across the LoC took place in 1999.
Kashmir is a crucial geostrategic prize. Assuming India would ever own it all, that would represent a direct bridge to Central Asia and a border with Afghanistan while depriving Pakistan of a border with China, thus nullifying to a great extent the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), one of the key projects of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).
If Pakistan ever owned it all, that would solve the country’s worries about water security. The Indus River starts in the Himalayas, in Tibet, and skirts through Indian-controlled Kashmir before entering Pakistan and running all the way down to the Arabian Sea. The Indus and its tributaries provide water to two-thirds of Pakistan. New Delhi has just threatened to weaponize the flow of water to Pakistan.
There’s no end in sight to Kashmir being roiled over and over by skirmishes or even partial conflagration between jihadis – protected by Islamabad at different levels – and the Indian army. The Islamist Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) wants the whole of Kashmir annexed to a Pakistan governed by Sharia law.
JeM’s Kashmir obsession is also shared by their de facto allies Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). Both are supported – with degrees of nuance – by Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the ISI. Most of all, both are heavily supported, financially, by the Wahhabi House of Saud and the United Arab Emirates.
There’s no solution for Kashmir that does not involve cutting off Saudi proselytizing, financing and weaponizing – the toxic cocktail that nurtured Pakistan’s famous Kalashnikov culture. And there can be no solution when the House of Saud’s ability to have nuclear weapons “on order” from Islamabad remains the number-one open secret in South Asia.
Russia and China as voices of reason
Were this a sensible realm, oblivious of Yama, India and Pakistan would talk, like Prime Minister Imran Khan has just offered, within a framework such as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, of which both are members, with Russia and China as mediators.
And that brings us to what happened in Yueqing, China, on Wednesday, totally under the Western radar; a de facto, ministerial-level meeting of the “RIC” in BRICS, uniting Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj.
Lavrov may have denounced “absolutely brazen attempts” to “artificially create a pretext for military intervention” in Venezuela. But the game-changer should have been what Russia, China and India discussed on Kashmir, which may eventually have a direct impact on both Islamabad and New Delhi attempting to defuse a still explosive scenario.
China and Russia’s coordinated positions were absolutely instrumental in facilitating North Korea’s dialogue with the Trump administration. Yet it’s still a long way away from South Korean President Moon’s dream: Trump officially declaring an end to the 1950-53 Korean war, via a peace treaty replacing the current armistice with iron-clad security guarantees. After all, that is the number-one condition for the DPRK to start contemplating denuclearization.
China and Russia, in theory, also have what it takes to bring India and Pakistan to reason – plus the clout to put pressure on Saudi Arabia’s weaponized Wahhabism.
And yet, from Washington’s perspective, China and Russia are “threats” – from the National Security Strategy all the way down to functionaries such as Air Force General Terrence O’Shaughnessy, the Northcom commander, who just told a Senate committee that Russia’s “intent to hold the US at risk” presents an urgent threat.
Some more equal than others
China, Russia and Iran are essential nodes of Eurasia integration, which interlock key vectors of the New Silk Roads, via Iran’s trade agreement with the Eurasia Economic Union and expansion of the International North-South Transportation Corridor (INSTC). Considering the stakes, Lavrov and Yi could not but be stunned by Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif resigning from his post via Instagram.
Sources in Tehran maintained that the key reason for Zarif resigning was that he was not informed – and did not attend – an ultra high-level meeting in Tehran on Monday of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, the IRGC’s Quds Force commander Qassem Soleimani and President Hassan Rouhani when they discussed strictly Syrian military matters, not diplomacy. Zarif may not have been in the room, but his number two, Abbas Araghchi, was.
In the end, Rouhani rejected Zarif’s resignation, stressing that it was against Iran’s national interests. And crucially, Soleimani said that Zarif had total support from Khamenei. Even as various factions of Iran’s hardliners may be fuming with both Zarif and Rouhani, characterizing them as fools who fell into an American trap, the last thing Tehran needs at the moment – under pressure by hybrid war – is internal division. In parallel, support from both Russia and China won’t waiver.
Washington may deploy variations of Hybrid War but most reflexes remain undiluted Cold War. The mechanism remains the same. A fortune in US taxpayers’ money is showered on the industrial-military complex, with defense contractors and major corporations paying back fabulous campaign contributions to the political class. That’s why someone like Tulsi Gabbard, who is anti-war – hot, cold and hybrid – and anti-regime change, will be smeared to Kingdom Come by the weapons lobby, and prevented from making a run for the presidency.
The Global South has learned that turning and turning in the widening gyre, some countries are indeed more equal than others. Even though some may be relentlessly blasted as terrorist enablers (Pakistan), and nuclear powers as a rule must be appeased (DPRK) and seduced (India as a plank of the “Indo-Pacific” strategy). Chairman Kim is now a “great leader” who can hand his nation a “tremendous future”.
Non-nuclear powers, especially those rich in natural resources and implementing strategies such as bypassing the US dollar, like Iran and Venezuela, face the fate of being regime change targets, slowly and painfully devoured by Yama, the Lord of Death.
Te word “gyre” , in any of its forms (gyro/giro &caetera”, used twice or thrise in this article,) is not good English — and unrecognisable for most native English readers
Please don’t accuse the poet Yeats of failing to write good English!
This is the most famous use of the word ‘gyre’, recognised by all reasonably well educated native English speakers in one of their most famous poems:
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43290/the-second-coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
JABBERWOCKY
Lewis Carroll
(from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872)
`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
Tollef Ås / 丘不如／Qiū Bù’rú:
Most English readers don’t have an extensive vocabulary. That’s easily fixed online.
In Yandex Broswer, highlight and popup the menu to search or get definition of any word.
Gyre is not as obscure as your appellation.
What makes you the English teacher here?
I have found out over the years here at Saker’s Vineyard there are hundreds of truly brilliant minds and knowledgeable people who read but don’t comment much.
Gyre is a good word, a perfect word to use, as Pepe has used it.
A brilliantly written opening sentence . . .
The word ‘gyre’ brought back memories of a misspent childhood, of reading comics at friends bedrooms, and enjoying the solitude.
I remembered Gyro Gearloose and of course the gyrocopter, and thus I wonder at the loss of knowledge my generation suffered at the introduction of television, or what we term the ‘Idiot Box’.
Any semiliterate English speaker understood that Pepi’s opening sentence was a reference to one of the most famous poems in the English language, William Butler Yeats’s The Second Coming.
The last two lines of that poem are also two of the most famous, and most quoted, lines of poetry:
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
And, even if it were the case that a word was unknown to many English speakers, that is no reason not to use it.
In our family, growing up, there was a dictionary always at hand on the bookcase near the dining-room table. And it was used regularly. gyre: ” a circular motion or a circle described by a moving body : revolution; especially : a giant, circular, oceanic surface current.” The advantage to using an actual dictionary, and not an app of some kind, to look up words is that you have to exercise more gray cells just to find the word in the first place, using your knowledge of alphabetical order and the signpost words at the top of the pages to locate the page with your target word. Then, on the way, you also check out other nearby words, some of which you may never have heard of. And you might stop to take a look at one of the color plates—say, of all the flags of the world’s nations, or of the state flowers of each U.S. state, or of the different types of Christian crosses.
If you don’t know a word, look it up in the dictionary.
Katherine
Kathy, good comment and if I may add, here are the words origins:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/γῦρος
Pronunciation
(5th BCE Attic) IPA(key): /ɡŷː.ros/
(1st CE Egyptian) IPA(key): /ˈɡy.ros/
(4th CE Koine) IPA(key): /ˈɣy.ros/
(10th CE Byzantine) IPA(key): /ˈʝy.ros/
(15th CE Constantinopolitan) IPA(key): /ˈʝi.ros/
Noun
γῦρος • (gûros) m (genitive γῡ́ρου); second declension
ring, circle
I’d like to point out that Greek “γῦ” gets transformed in English to “gy” hence the gyre. Going around in circles? Perhaps.
‘Thrise’ is worse.
Thrice? Nothing wrong with thrice, if that’s what you mean. An excellent word. Even twice is becoming redundant these days. Thank God for the sub-continent where standard and inventive English thrive.
It was the misspelling that aroused my pedant’s ire. Here in Austfailure, along with the compulsory ‘haitch’ for the pronunciation of H, we have banished ‘twice’ in favour of ‘two times’, which doesn’t confuse the bogans.
” Gyre” is the correct term for the theatrical events he describes. Ju7st be thankful we have not (yet) reached maelstrom.
Too much mishmash with no unifying analysis. Not one of Pepe’s best – which are very cohesive.
Mike K.
The mishmash is in the mind of the beholder.
Pepe wrote a deft tour of the last few days events in the hottest hot spots of the globe.
You might have gotten dizzy by the gyre.
Some can’t take a ride on a merry-go-round without losing mental control.
A ride on a merry go round is the last thing we need in this time of chaos. Helter skelter recitation of bits and pieces of news is what those seeking to hide the underlying themes and actors tend to do, This is not Pepe’s usual style. I am sure he will be back on track with his usual penetrating analyses soon.
Totally agree. In effect low quality analysis and in large quantity.
America certainly deserves the majority of the blame in these matters, however, America would not be where it is today without the overwhelming support of NATO governments throughout the world. Allowing those diabolically evil governments that frequently pull the strings of the American government either behind the scenes, but often in broad daylight with full press coverage, while largely being altogether ignored by the global anti-war movement has been a terrible disservice, source of disinformation, and has actually enabled the whole pro war industry to continue unimpeded.
For example, if it were not for Canada’s Chrystia Freeland organizing the Lima group, Washington would unlikely be where it is today, same goes for England, France and Germany in Syria and Yemen. Denmark is another country that somehow manages to remain under the radar, as well as Australia. Those are just a few examples, but anyone that is merely blaming America is either very misinformed, or is a diabolical propagandist. Obviously, Israel is a major player here, which most Saker readers realize.
We have to question if some of these individuals simply anti-American, rather than anti-war.
Canada just announced that it would be extraditing Ms. Meng. Canada is frequently now to the right of Washington.
MbS just awarded an oil refining to China, so I am skeptical that China would stand up to Saudi Arabia.
Which makes the whinging of one of the Guardian presstitutes over the revelation of Trudeau’s corruption in regard to bribery in Libya, as the ‘death of a unicorn’, so utterly delicious. Trudeau is scum, differing from Harper only in his phony, greasy, persona. He is just as slavish to the Zionazis, hateful of the Palestinians and any who dare defend them, leaves foreign policy to his Ukronazi Minister, Freedland, and is a central character in the regime change operation in Venezuela, and the threatening bullying of the DPRK. And he poses, the slimy phony, as one who understands the climate destabilisation catastrophe, while raping the Canadian wilderness to extract and flog perhaps the worst greenhouse villain of all, the tar sands. The pluperfect ‘liberal’ lying thug-no wonder the Guardian vermin adore him so.
Hear here! Well said. At this point, I have serious reservations about the concept of an honest politician, so far am supportive of Tulsi Gabbard and Ilahn Omar for speaking the truth. Washington is such a cess pool, contaminated by numerous special interest groups that will literally and overtly terrorize people into compliance.
Please show some respect for the 1.6 billion Hindus and Buddhists in the world by leaving their sacred deities and religious figures out of your journalistic word games.
“Please show some respect for the 1.6 billion Hindus and Buddhists in the world by leaving their sacred deities and religious figures out of your journalistic word games.”
They belong to everyone.
If the author has misused, misapplied, abused or used them inappropriately, please let us know.
You speak for the Hindus and Buddhists, do you?
“You speak for the Hindus and Buddhists, do you?”
Sure, why not?
The “being offended” gambit is a small part of the current Occidental political culture.
Not everyone in the world see it that way.
My point is that Hinduism and Buddhism seem to be quite acceptable for profane appropriation, in the Occident. In a spirit of even-handedness, perhaps the author could come up with some clever wordplay about ‘Allah’ or ‘Jesus’?
“In a spirit of even-handedness, perhaps the author could come up with some clever wordplay about ‘Allah’ or ‘Jesus’?”
Is “Allah” halal? Je suis “Jesus”? I’d rather be off-handed than even-handed.
The sound of one hand clapping may well involve a reddened cheek.
Not you, Jiri-Hadjuk. I agree, more or less, with your comment.
I practice Buddhism and using the term Yama makes sense, at least to me.
It may well be that humanity is in the jaws of Yama either figuratively or literally.
The disputes between India and Pakistan are in large part over the Indus Water Treaty. If Russia was able to resolve those disputes, it would be remarkable. Until those disputes are resolved, there will be hostility, because it is the source of the conflict. China has already violated rights of Ulgar Muslims, so would likely not be trusted by Pakistanis.
China has not violated the rights of the ‘Ulgar'(sic) Moslems. It has protected the people of Xinjiang from the Wahhabist takfiri terrorist butchers, trained and financed by the USA, Sordid Barbaria and Turkey, as is the duty of any civilized state.
Why would the Chinese want to divert the Indus water? To take it where?
Because they are Chinese, Jiri. Have you not noticed the forty year campaign in the Western fakestream media hate-machine to paint the Chinese as a sub-human, threatening, menace. Over the years I have seen thousands of media reports in Western organs, and for the life of me I cannot recall one truly positive one. The majority, ever increasingly, are quite marked, even latterly deranged and hysterical, in their mendacity, hypocrisy and pure racist hate, born of fear.
It would appear to me that solving the Indus River problem would help a great deal. Since the Indus River that goes through India and Pakistan is fed from Tibet in China.That would mean it involves three countries and not just two.India building dams to divert the river’s waters from Pakistan for sole Indian use would be useless if China was to reroute the river before it enters Indian territory.It seems not just two,but three can play in that game.
Sorry Uncle Bob, but we are not in agreement that Tibet is in China. I do not agree that Taiwan or the islands in the South China Sea are in China either, but I’m not willing to fight a war over it, or commit U.S. Troops to fight over those. Since I am not a politician, I have the luxury of disputing China’s claims to Tibet and Taiwan.
Is Long Island, NY or Hawaii or Alaska in the USA?
China took Tibet and saved that culture. It was bestial run by the monks. It was unsustainable.
And the US sought it desperately.
Taiwan, if the Nationalist KMT had won the civil war would have taken Formosa and the Daiyou Islands, too.
So, China seeks what KMT sought. It’s all Chinese. Just like Hong Kong.
Next the Douchess will be whining that Inner Mongolia, ‘Manchuria’, Hong Kong, Guangdong and Guangxi do not belong to China, as per her US friends.
Strange then that 99% of Tibetans think that their country has been seized and occupied by a genocidal and entirely unwelcome foreign power.
Thank you.
Pure, Sinophobic, hate-mongering garbage. There is no population anywhere that encompasses a 99% opinion on any subject.
A Sinophobic racist-no surprise there.
Not really. A civil war is errupting in the heartland over the Upper peninsula. Seriously, look at a map, it belongs to Wisconsin, not Michigan. That’s just logic.
@mulgabungle brain: You shouldn’t accuse anyone of sinophobic racism given your own contempt for Pakistanis and South Asians in general.
Thank you. God only knows what the Americans and NATO countries think about the humble people of Franistan. They probably couldn’t even find it on a map if they tried.
Garbage-I really respect South Asians and their colossal history and cultural achievements. What you mean is that I do not respect the Evil and rotten elites that dominate Pakistan and India, and for that I make no apologies.
Elites perfectly sums up my criticism of China. I have respect for the Chinese people, it is their leaders that are entirely monstrous, in many respects, even worse than America’s. A journalist was sent to prison recently for tweeting down with the communist party, then there is the total control by the communist party, with people getting warnings on their cell phones if they are approaching someone on the side walk with unpaid debts. These social credit scores can prevent people from traveling and even using public transportation. Factories are forcing Chinese employees to wear brain scanning helmets. My criticism of China is genuinely a human rights issue. It will only get worse, based on their obessssive preoccupation with robots.
A mother in England was jailed for seven hours, arrested in front of kid, for calling a transgender by the ‘wrong’ gender. Get real, please.
Your glass house is surrounded by stones.
In the US it’s legal to abort live birthed babies, sick as fuck, it does not get any sicker……………..well I guess it could, cause then they can be sacrificed by the Luciferian scum and eaten alive. But that’s not what live birth abortion is about, it’s about child sex slavery and organ growers for the highest bidders. Chinese elite have got nothing on the Five Eye Satanists. An Irish pox on all their houses, their enabelers and hanger ons.
Uncle Bob, perhaps you don’t know the details of the river treaties between my country, Pakistan and India. The current treaty greatly favors Pakistan over India because it was negotiated by an American world Bank official when we part of the American Sento Alliance against the Soviet Union and Socialist India. India agreed to the less favorable terms because India’s then leader, Nehru was a bloated pontificating egotist who, acting like our “big brother”, decided to show us “magnanimity”. I’m glad that our leaders at the time took full advantage of Nehru’s stupidity and happily let him think he was our “big brother”. That said the current treaty gives right of the 3 western rivers water flow to Pakistan (for irrigation, etc) and gives the 3 eastern running rivers water flow to India. However, India has allowed 7% of the water flow from their eastern flowing rivers to still flow and drain in Pakistan where our farmers have used this free gift for irrigation. The Indians are simply taking their 7% entitlement back. It’s within their rights and so their is nothing sinister or punitive about it.
The Indian position is different from what you are describing.
While the Indus water Treaty does have certain clauses in favour of Pakistan, others in favour of India, the current sabre rattling is about Kashmir. And it isn’t only because the rivers come from there.
Btw Nehru wasn’t as stupid as you make him sound. Sure he wasn’t an Einstein, but which politician is.
Well the statesman Zhu Enlai, whose job it was to assess Nehru, disagrees, he thought Nehru was an fool as did chairman. Mao, as did the then competent western leadership as the the Soviets. So too did our leader at the time Gen. Ayub Khan. It seems likely given that all these people had interacted with Nehru on substantive issues, that they might be well placed to assess Nehru as being a loud fool. But whatever, you are entitled to your perspective.
The US narrative of a Tehran/Al Qaeda axis can only be meant for the US public that is kept stupid as a rock on where Al Qaeda came from: it was created by the CIA and Saudis in Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden was their agent.
If only the American people would learn this and realize the implications. I talk to Americans around me all the time and try to tell them but most are inoculated against any narrative other than was is sanctioned by the elite controlled MSM.
Americans know that Al Quaeda is an enemy of Iran. What some Americans do not know is that Iran is not a threat to it’s neighbors or the U.S., and that Iran is not even remotely close to developing nuclear weapons, since they are in full compliance with the JCPOA verified frequently by the IAEA, and that the JCPOA limits Irans radioactive material to 3.67% purity, and weapons grade is 83% – 95% purity, and that the JCPOA eliminated vast quantities of radioactive waste from Iran.
The majority of Americans supported the JCPOA and oppose any military action against Iran. There are some nit wits that believe people like Marco Rubio, who makes Donald Trump look like a diplomat, and John McCain look like a peace activist.
I wholeheartedly agree. Iran’s a peaceful country that hasn’t attacked its neighbors in over 400 years. Can the same be said of the US, Israel, or NATO? Of course not. NATO’s an anachronism that should’ve been abolished the same time as the Warsaw Pact was.
With regard to Iran, both the late Ayatollah Khomeini and the current Ayatollah Khameini issued a religious decree (FATWA) against the development, production, and importation of nuclear weapons as being against the religion of Islam. With that being done, Iranian scientists devoted their skills to using water for generating electricity and for the development of isotopes in the treatment of cancer patients.
thank you. That is very true. Ironically, it was Iran that actually freed the Israelits. Personally, I oppose nuclear energy because nuclear reactors breed more nuclear waste. Nuclear waste does not get burnt in the energy process as it does in the use of fossil fuels, which most people do not understand. All nuclear reactors are in fact breeder reactors, whether by name or not. Even cold fusion reactors release large quantities of radioactive tritium into the atmosphere. Once the process of nuclear fission begins, it cannot be arrested, other than through fusion, a massive explosion. I also believe that nuclear radiation kills everything, not just cancer. I am totally opposed to the snake oil racket.
Come on, Eileen-cut the Herrenvolk some slack. The USA and Its Master, Israel, haven’t attacked anyone for 400 hours, but I might have missed something, I suppose.
I hope that Pepe will expand his focus and look at Bangla Desh and what advantages separation from India has brought it. Is it more prosperous, are the people happier, than if it had not split from India? Where did the religious insanity come from? Is there hope?
Is independence a kind of perfection, to be bought at any cost?
Then he might look back at who were scheming deviously in 1947 to create a religious state.
Can he tell us who were the lawyers dancing around Jinnah in his London apartment, singing “Islamabad! Islamabad!”, can he?
Bangladesh used to be East Pakistan. Perhaps you mean before the 1947 partition of India, when West and East Pakistan split from India. Bangladesh split from Pakistan later.
Not privy on the history of those lands, but sounds as the partitioning of a country the size of a continent on relgious/sectarian terms….
Does it not sound like what was intended with Syria, Iraq and what would be probably intended with Iran?
Of course those divides orchestrated by both former and aspiring colonial powers in the hope of controlling resources and strategical lands of passing…
If only Americans could learn … being one, I went along with the BS called education from grade k through 12. I can’t fault my teachers … they were as propaganda-ised as their students. I then began to read stuff that no school would allow on its shelves. Among the eye-openers was C Wright Mills, ‘Power Elite.’ It made a difference and I moved from a degree in education to one in history. It wasn’t my professors who changed my world view … and caused me to think outside the box. It was my independent reading.
How many Americans have done that? Precious few … and thus the typical American is totally brain washed into thinking that the US is indispensable. The fact is that we were formed to be an empire … democracy is a sham … and is little more than an imperial means of allowing the populace to think they are free. The only free Americans are those who do not think as they have been taught.
Therefore, Americans only think they are thinking. Brain washed idiots … all
of us. So we go along with what we are told simply because we believe that going along to get along is best. Now as the ‘security’ state openly shuts the door to independent action, we believe what we are told. Poorly educated, and dumb kids, are joining the military because there is no choice. The poor damned fools believe their leaders (equally poorly informed) because the language tells us we are good. Venezuela, Iran, N Korea, Russia, China, et al, are defined as bad … so …
We do what we are told.
And that is that … maybe (though I doubt it) the collapse of the dollar and subsequent collapse of the empire will result in Americans waking up. Like I said … I doubt it.
rg, from what I see of the USA and what I experience every day here in Austfailia, Americans are veritable Solons and Einsteins in comparison to The Great Austrayan Mediocracy. The really tragic fact is that the moronification and stupefaction of the bogans proceeds apace. We will shortly hit Peak Imbecile, shortly before the country is swamped by Indonesians fleeing the climate destabilisation Holocaust
Andrew Korybko on the recent Indian attack on Pakistan, which resulted in a humiliating Indian defeat as one of its pilots was shot down and captured by Pakistan. In response, India has launched into face-saving allegations about Geneva Convention violations of this captured pilot and even claims of shooting down a Pakistani F-16.
Pakistan Turned The Latest Bollywood “Surgical Strike” Flick Into Reality
https://eurasiafuture.com/2019/02/27/pakistan-turned-the-latest-bollywood-surgical-strike-flick-into-reality/
Pakistan Didn’t Violate The Geneva Convention, It Confirmed Its Adherence To It
https://eurasiafuture.com/2019/02/28/pakistan-didnt-violate-the-geneva-convention-it-confirmed-its-adherence-to-it/
India’s F-16 Claims Are Designed To “Punish” Russia For Its “Balancing” Strategy
https://eurasiafuture.com/2019/03/01/indias-f-16-claims-are-designed-to-punish-russia-for-its-balancing-strategy/
Also, background information on Indian’s brutal occupation of Kashmir, which has resulted in last year being the most violent and bloody in a decade:
Kashmir’s Terrible Truth is One of Occupation Begetting Resistance And Violence Begetting Violence
https://eurasiafuture.com/2019/02/15/kashmirs-terrible-truth-is-one-of-occupation-begetting-resistance-and-violence-begetting-violence/
Not surprisingly, the American Empire has supported India’s colonial occupation with massive weapon sales and designating the “world’s largest (apartheid) democracy” as a key strategic partner for the 21st century….
That the Western fakestream media sewer totally suppresses the truth regarding India’s extraordinarily brutal repression in Kashmir, and the violent death-squad campaigns against Naxalites in many regions, mimics their suppression of the truth regarding Israel. Instead they invent lies about China, Iran, Russia and Venezuela, but they are scum, justly accorded a place in popular esteem somewhere south of real estate agents and near paedophiles, after all. We do hear a bit occasionally about the epidemic of rape and murder of women and children, often along caste lines, and the communal murders of Moslems for daring to eat meat, and now the Supreme Court has declared that the tribal peoples must be cleansed from the forests where they have lived for tens of thousands of years. Under the Hindutva fascists India is in a death-spiral, which makes its corrupt and self-deluded elites highly dangerous.
Oh wow! Despite being a Pakistani I find myself in the bizarre position of pointing out that it is quite hypocritical of you to accuse reader “Hajduk” of being a sinophobic racist while you yourself engage in hinduphobic racism of the worst kind. This is truly bizarre for me to be confronted with such over-the-top hypocrisy from your post that I find myself defending my “enemy”.
Stop the personal attacks – breaks moderation policy – any further will be removed. Mod.
You need to understand something: we Pakistanis (the realists in our establishmen have moved on away from whining about “Hindu nationalism” based on the usual mal-intentioned anglo-protestant originated tropes regarding the same. It’s hilarious to hear/read liberal or conservative Anglos lecture and wax indignant about ‘atrocities’ by either Islamic or Hindu nationalists in South Asia when they pale in comparison to atrocities committed by anglo-empire (ie the British thieving Empire).
We’ll work out our own differences with India and our Hindu cousins there: we don’t need outsiders (such as Russia or China) who are clueless of the intricacies of the India-Pak schism to interfere in our region anymore than the Anglo Empire “democracy makers.” And we certainly don’t need atrocity porn being flogged on us by malicious westerners intended to raise our hatred for Hindus and their hatred for us.
I see that you don’t bother to attempt to refute my facts, which, as facts, are irrefutable. My angst is with the ruling Indian elites, the aggressive, self-deluding, Hindutva fascists of the BJP and its associated fascistic organs, and the Moslem-butcher of the Gujarat pogrom, Modi. Not with Indians, as such, who generally suffer under the Modi regime. And I despise the corrupt ruling elites in Pakistan, too, particularly those allied to Moslem fundamentalist fanatics.
Let’s skip the self righteous discredited tropes and disinformation -all of which have been gleaned from Western MSM atrocity porn. That’s the problem: you cite anglo-zionist MSM propaganda while claiming you are against the AZ Empire. It must really frustrate the Anglo Empire that their BS atrocity porn (like Assad is a butcher and Modi is butcher or Imran Khan is a puppet of our military or Iran is the cause of all terrorism, etc – all pure BS) has absolutely zero traction now. Even in Pakistan we don’t buy the pack of lies regarding the Hindu bogeyman the MSM has tried to create in order to prevent dialogue between our 2 countries.
The real fascists: your leaders in Westminster have been reduced to a group blithering idiots that still live in the 19th century delusion the tiny weak de-industrialized Britain and its irreligious Anglican Church can continue to play the “great-game” of instigating trouble in Asia. Well dream on. Nobody is buying the Western MSM sourced propaganda. Britain is reduced to a poor appendage of Europe and after Brexit it’ll be even less than that.
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Nice display of distraction, old boy. The ruling thugs of the West have nothing to do with me, so please drop the ‘your’ etc. I must say that something does not smell right about your claim to be ‘Pakistani’, but that’s my suspicious mind, I suppose.
To use your own words that you have posted multiple times here against other posters here. You have not posted facts but utter Western MSM inspired Garbage.
Let me explain: We don’t care about Western MSM propaganda tropes such as “Modi is a butcher” or “Assad is butcher” or “Putin is a KGB bad guy” and other atrocity porn and projections of the AZ empires own sins on other people. What we care about is a reliable partner in India who can control the secular hawks in the military and security apparatus of New Delhi. Mr. Modi fits that function to a “tee”. Our perception of the secular corrupt Congress party is that they are far greater threat to Pakistan because secular nationalists in Congress are more warlike and corrupt (due to their umbilical cord to their ideological neoliberal masters in the UK) than their so called Hindutva counterparts. The last time a secular nationalists was in an unchallenged power position in India, ie Indira Gandhi in 1971, the Indian military was unleashed by her to success fully cut my country in half. The next time India had another secular nationalist in an unchallenged position in their parliament, Rajiv Gandhi, he “invaded” Sri Lanka with “peace-keepers” against colombo’s wishes.
Whereas the last time India had a “Hindutva” leader, Vajpayee, he forbade the Indian military from ever crossing the border even though our forces attacked first in a surprise attack during the Kargil war. Only a rightwing party and leader, Vajpayee, could have restrain the Indian military from launching an all-out war on us during that time.
None of your accusations have any relevance nor traction either in Pakistan or India. This may frustrate you, but it is fact.
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@ don’t bother
You claim that you are Pakistani and that you consider Modi a “reliable partner” in India, however this is at odds with what your prime minister had to say about Modi. Here is his twitter post:
“The core issue between India & Pakistan is Kashmir. I ask the people of India today, do you think your policies of the last four years of oppression in Indian Occupied Kashmir will help resolve or worsen the issue?” – Prime Minister Imran Khan
@ImranKhanPTI
Note he writes “the last for years”. Khan is holding Modi directly responsible for the situation in Kashmir!
In an earlier post you wrote that you don’t want “outsiders like Russia and China” mediating in this military standoff. Again a surprising statement. Pakistan and India are both members of the SCO and even held military drills with Russia and China. Russia and China can therefore hardly be described as “outsiders”.
Finally you claim that criticism of Modi is regurgitation of the MSM that “Modi is a butcher”. Sort of like criticism of Assad and Putin. Can you provide a link where a prominent MSM outlet actually stated this? It was my impression that Modi was actually very well treated by the MSM. Certainly never attacked in the same way as Putin or Assad…
Well said, serbian girl. I suspect our friend is as Pakistani as I am.
A troll, Mulga, looking for a verbal fistfight or deliberately sent here to disrupt the conversation..good job mods for filtering the ad hominems!
Be well my dear Mulga
I am a 100% sure after reading your comments you are not a Pakistani. Not only are you Indian, you’re a BJP supporter. Secular hawks in delhi … this is bjp talk.
And to claim that Pakistanis don’t care about Hindutva or how it has resulted in lynchings of Muslims in India, and a reign of terror on other communities, some gall you have.
As to Kashmir and the problems Pakistan and India have due to this, the two countries seem incapable of it. In fact the issue is already in the UNO so already internationalised. In fact most Pakistanis would welcome international community to actively be involved in the issue and find a solution.
Before you attack me on grounds that only Pakistanis and Indians can talk about their problems (another frivolous assumption) let me tell you I am Pakistani. I know what most ppl from my country think.
I agree course course. I rather think that he is an Indian or some other ‘friend’ of Islamophobic Hindutva ruled India (? Zionazi?)or, perhaps, a Pakistani Quisling with primary loyalties to the US Empire, and a glorious gift for distracting verbiage and false assertions, learned through long habitation beneath bridges. Every country has them.
It’s beyond bizarre for you to attempt to assert that I have posted ANYTHING remotely like ‘Assad is a butcher'(he’s a hero who saved his country from Evil) ‘Iran is the cause of all terrorism'(it is the victim of terrorism instigated by the true causes of terrorism, the USA, Israel and Sordid Barbaria etc), but the Big Lie is a favourite disinformation tactic. Modi, on the other hand, is a butcher, unambiguously, from the days of the Gujarat pogrom, and from the barbaric repression in Kashmir. Your great affection for the Hindutva fascists of the BJP rather gives the game away as to your true identity, old boy.
It’s the epitome of narcism to attribute to yourself what I attributed to the Western MSM. To be clear I never accused you of making any such statements against Assad et Al. I know you know this but I don’t mind clarifying it.
The wonderful thing is observing the frustration of those in the West futilely trying to undermine sovereignist nations of the RIC, Iran, and Syria with fake accusations of atrocities and and anecdotal civic or law and order failures in the targeted countries.
None of the Western MSM “atrocity porn” has any traction anymore. These countries are now too strong for any of propaganda to any effect and even the regular citizens in the West don’t believe it anymore and don’t care about. This must be very frustrating for the poor sods in the Anglo ministry of truth. It’s a wonderful time to watch this.
Pepe, “boots on the ground”. As always, poignant. Beings in earth are not awake in a majority. Humans having experiences as though balance is illusory. In a word, Chi. Center the mind, in every cell of the physical body and remember to inhale & exhale. Walk, walk, sit, sit. No need to wobble. Love You Pepe.
North Pacific Gyre
The North Pacific Gyre or North Pacific Subtropical Gyre, located in the northern Pacific Ocean, is one of the five major oceanic gyres. This gyre covers most of the northern Pacific Ocean. It is the largest ecosystem on Earth, located between the equator and 50° N latitude, and comprising 20 million square kilometers. The gyre has a clockwise circular pattern and is formed by four prevailing ocean currents: the North Pacific Current to the north, the California Current to the east, the North Equatorial Current to the south, and the Kuroshio Current to the west. It is the site of an unusually intense collection of man-made marine debris, known as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch.
“… the geopolitics of the young 21st century resembles a psychedelic mandala conceived by Yama, the Lord of Death.”
… not, really, Pepe. Yama is a humble servant of cosmic law, and shouldn’t be confused with the dirty dealing of the bankers’ Organized Crime Syndicates, whose fingerprints we indeed find in abundance at all war crime scenes…
gyreDictionary result for gyre
/ˈdʒʌɪə,ˈɡʌɪə/
verbLITERARY
1.
whirl or gyrate.
“a swarm of ghosts gyred around him”
noun
1.
a spiral or vortex.
The global flashpoints are increasingly connected, a vital factor in making any regional war a world war. There are many triggers, and growing, too many to prevent any one igniting the conflagration. There’s Europe, with many flashpoints – Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltic States, Belarus, the Balkans among them. In the Middle East, the confrontation could happen in the Syria, or in a future war against Iran. There is growing movement towards confrontation in any part of the South China Sea, Japan’s territorial disputes with China and Russia, great power rivalry in Africa and most recently Venezuela that could unleash a Latin American Spring – creating a real challenge for the Monroe Doctrine.
And of course there is Kashmir. As Pepe Escobar says: ‘Kashmir is a crucial geostrategic prize. Assuming India would ever own it all, that would represent a direct bridge to Central Asia and a border with Afghanistan while depriving Pakistan of a border with China, thus nullifying to a great extent the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), one of the key projects of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).’ In a nuclear exchange India attacks Pakistan (also China); China retaliates against India (also US); the US retaliates against China (also Russia); Moscow responds, firing its warheads at North America and Europe; France and Britain retaliate against Russia. A protagonist’s response cannot be restricted to only the one who attacked them first. There has to be no winners.
The pattern of history is clear. Power (manifested as interest) has been present in every conflict of the past – no exception. It is the underlying motivation for war. Other cultural factors might change, but not power. It is the one thing we will destroy ourselves for, as well as everyone else. When core interests are threatened and existential threat looms nations go to war. But leaders and decision-makers delude themselves, thinking they can avoid the fateful war by bluster or diplomacy, that it will be limited in scale or even won. But history has always proven them wrong. Yama will tremble at what horrors are soon to unfold.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
Oh please! China would never retaliate against India regarding a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and the Indians. In the last major military conflict between us and India China studiously refrained from giving us any military support. And I don’t blame them. It was rational of China to not support a reckless move by my country against a India: our leadership didn’t even consult the Chinese leadership before our bungled gambit in starting the Kargil war.
The chinese leadership is too intelligent to risk their own interests for saving my country from reckless actions of our own making. Give them some credit for God’s sake.
Just going out on a limb on this, but it appears that there would be a North Western spring prior to a Latin American spring. Of course, westerners always attempt to invoke revolution all over the world, which attempting to opress it at home, it seems that the floor may be dropping from under their feet, to distracted abroad to resolve domestic matters. It started with Occupy Wall St., infiltrated by the CIA, in America grannies being tear gassed, hand cuffed and shipped off in a paddy wagon. If they try that again, they may fail, because Obama had the youth and minority vote in large numbers, an advantage that Trump does not have, and of course the yellow vests and autarky movements throughout the EU, things in Canada are looking pretty bleak as well, with Trudeau corruption and general dissatisfaction.
Just going out on a limb on this, but it appears that there would be a North Western spring prior to a Latin American spring. Of course, westerners always attempt to invoke revolution all over the world, while attempting to opress it at home, it seems that the floor may be dropping from under their feet, to distracted internationally to resolve domestic matters. It started with Occupy Wall St., infiltrated by the CIA, in America grannies being tear gassed, hand cuffed and shipped off in a paddy wagon. If they try that again, they may fail, because Obama had the youth and minority vote in large numbers, an advantage that Trump does not have, and of course the yellow vests and autarky movements throughout the EU, things in Canada are looking pretty bleak as well, with Trudeau corruption and general dissatisfaction.
PC Roberts is right again about Ruskis’ economy. It is the economy, stupid. Russia is a giant on clay legs and hopefully will colaps. The Atlantists are right. Russians must to give up on Syberia and left only with European part of its territory. Everyone be happy.
Drugged?
Ignorant?
Troll?
I’ve read the comment several times and cannot decide what afflicts the author of it.
Russia without Siberia? Check the revenues from gas and other minerals, timber and water.
And its coastline with the Arctic has untold, incalculable value.
I’d say an ignorant troll on drugs might have submitted such a proposition.
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Russia without Siberia?
There are some who would want that.
This publication has been around for a while:
http://siberiantimes.com/home/
The Siberian Times is an English language site based in Novosibirsk. I can’t recall any separatist material being published there, (especially as such material is prohibited by Russian law).
@ Стивен
First, you establish a cohesive identity for what you want to separate.
Of course it could be a tourist advertisement site.
But for a possible similar sort of thing, see
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/
which tries, pretty obviously, to engender and keep a unitary identity for a collection of different countries. It’s a political effort. Their incessant search for cute and interesting things to say about “europe” parallels “siberia”, at least in my mind.
It is indeed a very confusing and hazy comment. You could call it “out of focus.”
Perhaps the Integrity Initiative’s US “Cluster” is in the middle of a software upgrade. Spell check was not deployed.
Sadly, I suspect that the $.50/word is too tempting for even the sixth-grader, not to mention numerous sixth-graders who turned into functional, sociopathic adults. Let us hail their Statecraft and Integrity, however.
Internal, do you agree that ‘Integrity Initiative’ is the most Orwellian confection since ‘Ministry of Truth’ in 1984? I can just see the Zionazi propagandists laughing themselves sick at their witty audacity in inventing such a ludicrous label for a bunch of immoral, lying, hate-mongering thugs, like the execrable Natalie Nougatbrain.
Maybe Scandanavian? Or Chinese?
Don’t feed the trolls it gives them diarrhoea,
Let them fly back at dawn,
To the barren lands where dwell,
The BBC The Guardian and The New York Times,
Where truth goes to die.
Pepe gave as an immensely interesting article, which points out the sad fact, that if you do not have the nukes you get constantly threatened (Iran). On the other hand, even if you do have them “they” want you to give away your house (10 trillion in resources?), to which Un showed Tump the finger and Trump went home with nothing. So much of his power of negotiation. Trump has to realize that negotiation is a two way street.
I find it most interesting that Pepe mentions the following in his post:
1) Iran/Iraq/Syria/Russia discussing military planning.
2) Pakistan/India conflict and its effect on New Silk Road
3) Venezuela and the dollar
4) Trump and Kim in Viet Nam – how symbolic.
And a few perps on this board complain about his (appropriate) choice of words!
What a thorough disappointment! I thought Escobar had the desire to seek and tell truth but seems like when it comes to Pak and Kashmir things are quite different. Kashmir will be used to draw parallels but few will bother to in fact educate themselves about the history of the conflict to understand what counts for fact and what is propaganda.
Firstly, Kashmir does not ‘suffer from Jihadi’s – these are FREEDOM FIGTHERS – so please do not insult Kashmirs freedom fighting by calling them ‘Jihadis’ rather educate yourself so you can not why the difference. (https://wannaknowthetruthblog.wordpress.com/2018/07/02/691/#more-691)
Secondly, the indigenous Kashmir movement is so damn strong itself that Pak and ISI do not need to do anything… its a land where martyrs are burried with coffins wrapped in Pakistan Flag – Pakistan has become a part of the DNA of the Kashmir Freedom Movement not because Pak sponsors ‘Islamist Jihadis’ but because India has occupied the land of Kashmiri Muslims for 70 years denying their right to self-determination since the time of partition of British India when it was understood being a Muslim majority state Kashmir will automatically become part of Pakistan. There was no Saudi proselytizing occurring 70 years ago when as a consequence of an Anglo-Indian conspiracy the Muslims of Kashmir were denied the right to self-determination.
With great sadness I say the ‘keywords’ you have used vis-a-vis Kashmir and Pakistan indicate tend to cast a very grave doubt upon the intent behind this write up.
Well said Zara.
Pepe is well intentioned, but he makes the politically correct mistake of refusing to differentiate between freedom fighters and militants.
To some extent it isn’t his fault. India has control of the Kashmir narrative. Pakistanis have, in the past decade, not advocated the Kashmir cause; and when they have it’s been apologetic.
As a Pakistani I feel i am to blame more than Pepe.
Best.
Truly glad to find another patriot Pakistani. Yes indeed Pepe is well intentioned but I find half truth is worse than a lie. It carries the potential to mislead sincere truth seekers, and that is a shame. In these times we do not have the room to remain politically correct. Its a war between truth and falsehood and no space to err. I completely agree during the past decade in particular Pak has done little to push the Kashmir issue on the world stage and that more than assists the Indian lobby to achieve its goals. It is such a shame that very few academics have actually tried to trace the deceptive details of the Anglo-Indian conspiracy that led to this mess in the first place. Besides official advocacy it is the civil society that needs to understand Kashmir has kept the Two-nation theory alive in times when so-called historians, intellectuals and Liberals have only tried to disprove the validity of the idea which was the basis of the partition of India. Each Kashmiri freedom fighter going to the grave wrapped up in the Pak flag under the watch of 700000 Indian armed personnel… is that a language too difficult to understand?
its depressingly funny that you find him to be a pakistani.
Isn’t it time to drop nuclear nonproliferation and argue forthrightly that small states should acquire nuclear arms? Nuclear blackmail is now the order of the day for those who can get away with it.
Why shouldn’t the world as we know it follow the age of chivalry into oblivion and embrace the new weapons? For all the promised terror it would seem that such an outcome is history’s gift to the willing and unwilling alike.
The beast is not dead. and is still marching to conquer the whole world !
Its ability to divide people and generate conflicts among them, to corrup their elites, to induced many to perversion is still very strong. All over the world the affluent people want to enjoyed the american way of life and are easily acting like a fifth column. The media with Holywood, the gay pride, the gender theory and the pornography are in charge of bringing the humanity to bestiality. The NGO are used to set fire by raising issues in still “independant” countries and the dollar, to buy key people in their governments.
These are the worst weapons of the beast. If these poisons are not enough to let the Beast extend its power all over the world, he can still start WW3. It is true that its debt is out of control but he is still able to print dollar at will. The debt is a problem for those owning it not for him. If the Beast realizes that its system is going to implode before having reduced the world into slavery, he will trigger the WW3.
In between he will induced as many conflicts as possible. The beast enjoys when the world is bleeding; He must never be underestimated
Spastic US Imperialists Eye Kashmir, Korea, Venezuela, Iran. It s a Hot, Cold, Hybrid War by Pepe Escobar (Asian Times) 2 March 2019
What about the Kashmir Genocide ?
The Ruling political dispensation of India (Hindoosthan) is a front of the RSS (a quasi wanna be Nazi party).The RSS in its documented history and intellectual posits has admired,co-opted and co-owned Hitler – not merely as a Role Model – but as a Kalki Avatar (re-incarnate) – or an Avatar of Vishnoo – the Hindoo God !
The “SS part” of the RSS is a lift from the Nazi SS and the “R” stands for “Rats”
The RSS is infested by the vermins of the Brahmin/Bania/Kayastha triad – which represent the priestly and trading classes of Hindoosthan who never fought a war for their nation – but incited the same and also carried out the largest unknown genocide in History – that of the Buddhists
The Bhagwad Gita (the REAL Constitution of the Hindoos) JUSTIFIES genocide, w/o remorse,guilt and WITH DIVINE SANCTION.The Indian Military and Para Military,is a race of criminal mercenaries called Kshatriyas – who were the offspring of rapes by the Huns,Mongols,Sakas, Scythians,Persians, Parthinians,Greeks 1500-2000 years ago.These illegitimate litter of rapes and incest, were discarded by their races and interbred interse and intra se, and were treated as outcastes for centuries – until the Brahmins co-opted them as criminal mass murderers (around 1080 years ago) – and who are now in Kashmir – for their FINAL SOLUTION !
These mercenaries were used 1800 years ago by the Brahmins to extetrminate the Buddhists as atheists and followers
of a false prophet !
Nazis are on record JUSTIFYING their actions based on the “thesis” of the Bhagwad Gita, which is explained in this note.
History Records that the Nazis were “ALSO inspired” by the Gita, per se
https://dindooohindoo.page.tl/Nazis-and-Gita.htm
Why the “Nazis and Hitler and Himmler”, love the Gita
“Dindoo Hindoo Bindoo Gandoos” consider “Hitler to be a Vishnoo Avatar”
The scene is played – when Krishna the Bhagvat (Hindoo God) was fed up trying to explain to “Arjuna the – why he “needed to exterminate his foes” – this was the “last attempt” in the 18th Chapter of the Gita – and the logic to justify mass murder and genocide, is as under (note the culminating crescendo in 18.1.7 below) :
Lumen Naturale 1 – There are “5 precedents to sense-perception and action”
मूल श्लोकः
शरीरवाङ्मनोभिर्यत्कर्म प्रारभते नरः।
न्याय्यं वा विपरीतं वा पञ्चैते तस्य हेतवः।।18.15।।
18.14 The locus as also the agent, the different kinds of organs, the many and distinct activities, and, the “divine is here the fifth”.
Lumen Naturale 2 – There “5 are causes of all action” and are “independent of the mind and body dualism” of Descartes and “also the Soul “!
मूल श्लोकः
यस्य नाहंकृतो भावो बुद्धिर्यस्य न लिप्यते।
हत्वापि स इमाँल्लोकान्न हन्ति न निबध्यते।।18.17।।
18.15 For whatever action a man undertakes by his body, speech and mind, whether right or wrong,i.e., enjoined or forbidden by the Sastras, “the following five”, are its causes:
Lumen Naturale 3 – Hence,you can “kill,murder and rape” – provided it is done with “no ego and no feelings “- for it is the “Act of the Divine” ! Just like the Nazis ! “Heil Krishna,the Bhagwat “!
मूल श्लोकः
अधिष्ठानं तथा कर्ता करणं च पृथग्विधम्।
विविधाश्च पृथक्चेष्टा दैवं चैवात्र पञ्चमम्।।18.14।।
18.17 He who has not the “feeling of egoism”, whose intellect is not tainted, he does not kill, nor does he become bound-“even by killing these creatures” !
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