It’s definitely war Saker The protests were the cover all along
I have a piece up at my place,but, found this most interesting quote from one of the articles
” The bulk of Europe’s energy supplies come through Ukraine, and pipelines crisscross the western regions with local governments that on Thursday fell to anti-Yanukovych demonstrators”
and this
“Demonstrators seized the Agriculture Ministry”
and the other day?
“Cargill, the US-based agriculture trading group, has doled out $200 million for a stake in UkrLandFarming, Ukraine’s largest agribusiness “
For access to China China rejects GMO’s from America in favour of Ukrainian organic Cargill buys in… organic won’t stay long -China screwed over
What do you think the West’s goals are at this point? Some argue the West sucker-punched Russia and perhaps many in Ukraine when they changed the proposed EU agreement in March of 2013 in an anti-Russian direction. Supposedly, Russia wasn’t that opposed to the EU agreement till then.
It’s depressing that the EU is so aggressive and reckless.
This is being done just before the Olympics in Sochi to prevent Russia from interfering in any way. If Russia were to interfere, western media would seize the opportunity to demonize Russia as an aggressor, just as they did in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
The opposite appears to be the case, just like the last time.
It was no coincidence that it was at the start of the Olympic games that NATO launched a surprise attack through Georgia on South Ossetia and Abkhazia on 08/08/08, the day of the opening ceremonies in Beijing.
Yanukovich offers prime / deputy minister positions to opposition leaders?
So much for demoncracy! The side, which lost in ellections, via violence gains the highest positions in the government?! This situation is more similar to the Hitler’s rise in pre-nazi Germany than to anything else.
Speaking of that, who can throw more light on the secret powers that financed / helped Hitler’s rise and the rapid building of his military machine (only 7 years!) for mass extermination of the Slavic race primarily?
I am especially intrigued by a discovery of the Dulles’ Plan, but I don’t’ trust Wikipedia at all. Namely, was Hitler a project from the same kitchen?
The ideas of “extermination of Slavs” is much older than Hitler. It is really more the idea of anihilation of the Russian “peril”. Just a little example (an article dating likely from the middle of the 19th century) of the mythology of the evil of Russia. “There is but little ground for debate; but that the prophecy of Ezekiel, relating to Israel’s last enemy, points conclusively to Russia. Unless a radical change—from which may God preserve us—takes place in the mind and in the political constitutions of Europe, we need not fear that any other nation than Russia will oppress the Hebrews. On the contrary, indeed, the Hebrews are continually making new advances in the esteem and friendship of all other people, Christian and Mahomedan. Gog is pictured to us as a man filled with the ambition of subduing the whole world; and we do not know, in the existing state of affairs, any nation of Asia or Africa which conceives a project so bold. America is out of the question, and the power is equally balanced among the other nations of Europe, the majority of them friends of peace. They hold in horror every species of warfare and of conquests; even those who are not actuated by religion, public opinion, and the arts and sciences. Russia is the single empire which has the disposition, and can command the means of undertaking a like campaign; and it is worthy of remark, that a prophecy is in vogue in Russia, its origin I know not, predicting that at a certain future period the Russians will become Lords of the Universe. True or false, this prophecy has a tendency to fortify them with courage, and of itself already bears witness into what extremities they are inclined to plunge in this gigantic struggle. In addition to these, there are several other reasons which induce us to believe that Russia is the empire predicted by Ezekiel, and the chief reason is drawn from the description of the country itself”. Add to that the persistent belief in the authenticity of the Will of Peter the Great. WizOz
Who cares what Allen Dulles was planning 70 years ago? We all know he was a swine. Who cares what some obscure rabbi of a Jamaican synagogue wrote over 150 years ago? It’s got nothing to do with Ukraine in 2014. Who cares what the BBC has to say on any subject? They, as well as The NY Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel and a handful of other news organisations represent the hub of the most devious and malicious of western propaganda. Why listen to them? There are real and very dangerous conspiracies against the vast majority of the planet’s human population all over the place. Why muddy the water with irrelevances and distractions?
Here’s a sane, sober, secular, rational and enlightened take on the situation in Ukraine from a Marxist perspective …
Thanks a lot WizOz, always learn something new! I’ve never heard of the Will of Peter the Great. One answer generates many additional questions. So, if you don’t mind: Whose (if) falsification was that? The quote you cited sounds like from the Chabad-Lubavitch Hacidic Movement. Why is that movement controversial? Why are Zionists eager to get its archives from Russia by all means? Do you thinkDulles’ Plan was authentic? Of course, WWII was an attempt tried before. In that context, how true is that the money France got for the Louisiana Purchase was spent on the Napolion’s invasion of Russia 1812? Who was the Godfather of that deal?
It’s all closely related to the topic, me thinks; what’s going on in Ukraine now is more of the same.
Ukraine is experiencing exactly the same imperialist conspiracy — from without as well as from within — as Czechoslovakia 80 years ago. It mirrors it in every single detail. Nazi Germany as the meanest part of the West sent in its rabble-rousers and bankrolled the so-called Sudeten “nationalists” in Czechoslovakia’s westernmost part with a view to grab the entire country with the tacit approval of the “friendly” Western powers. The Czechs had spent huge amounts of money on securing the border, but to no avail since the government was coward, grovelling before the West, and inept overall. The president, Eduard Beneš, could have put down the Nazi threat easily, especially with Soviet aid according to the defence pact with Moscow, but refused to do so. He was secretly hoping that the USSR would behave just like Britain and France and was much disappointed when Moscow repeatedly confirmed its promise to stand by Czechoslovakia as per request.
As can be seen today, the West remains true to its ideals. And maybe the most conspicous manifestation hereof is the excellent accuracy and instinct by which it spots the most incompetent and coward among its adversaries.
What was called the Testament (or the Will) of Tsar Peter the Great, was a puroported secret plan to conquer the World. It was attributed to Peter. The disscussion would be to long. I recomend a short overview of the question at: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/czar-peter-i-will.htm It is far from covering all the aspects (the bibliography about is immense). I gave the quote as I found it on the net. I have little doubts that it originate in the Chabad trough.
New Yugoslavia ?
It’s definitely war Saker
The protests were the cover all along
I have a piece up at my place,but, found this most interesting
quote from one of the articles
” The bulk of Europe’s energy supplies come through Ukraine, and pipelines crisscross the western regions with local governments that on Thursday fell to anti-Yanukovych demonstrators”
and this
“Demonstrators seized the Agriculture Ministry”
and the other day?
“Cargill, the US-based agriculture trading group, has doled out $200 million for a stake in UkrLandFarming, Ukraine’s largest agribusiness “
For access to China
China rejects GMO’s from America in favour of Ukrainian organic
Cargill buys in… organic won’t stay long -China screwed over
bad language sorry
it is definitely war
BBC on the Riot Police
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25895716
Mindfriedo
What do you think the West’s goals are at this point? Some argue the West sucker-punched Russia and perhaps many in Ukraine when they changed the proposed EU agreement in March of 2013 in an anti-Russian direction. Supposedly, Russia wasn’t that opposed to the EU agreement till then.
It’s depressing that the EU is so aggressive and reckless.
Paul
Syria 2.0, with Russia as the winner at the end.
This is being done just before the Olympics in Sochi to prevent Russia from interfering in any way. If Russia were to interfere, western media would seize the opportunity to demonize Russia as an aggressor, just as they did in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
The opposite appears to be the case, just like the last time.
It was no coincidence that it was at the start of the Olympic games that NATO launched a surprise attack through Georgia on South Ossetia and Abkhazia on 08/08/08, the day of the opening ceremonies in Beijing.
Here we are again.
Yanukovich offers prime / deputy minister positions to opposition leaders?
So much for demoncracy! The side, which lost in ellections, via violence gains the highest positions in the government?!
This situation is more similar to the Hitler’s rise in pre-nazi Germany than to anything else.
Speaking of that, who can throw more light on the secret powers that financed / helped Hitler’s rise and the rapid building of his military machine (only 7 years!) for mass extermination of the Slavic race primarily?
I am especially intrigued by a discovery of the Dulles’ Plan, but I don’t’ trust Wikipedia at all. Namely, was Hitler a project from the same kitchen?
Have you seen this article with the photos of the manuals from the U.S. state deptartment and NGOs?
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/01/07/us-ngo-uncovered-in-ukraine-protests/
“Yankee Go Home”
“The US is behind it.”
More, with picture of surrounded US Embassy in Kiev:
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/23/ukrainian-protesters-encircle-us-embassy-yankees-go-home/
Jews Attack the Ukraine, Again
Recommended reading:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/01/libya-syria-and-now-ukraine-color-revolution-by-force.html
@Sokenekos,
The ideas of “extermination of Slavs” is much older than Hitler. It is really more the idea of anihilation of the Russian “peril”.
Just a little example (an article dating likely from the middle of the 19th century) of the mythology of the evil of Russia.
“There is but little ground for debate; but that the prophecy of Ezekiel, relating to Israel’s last enemy, points conclusively to Russia. Unless a radical change—from which may God preserve us—takes place in the mind and in the political constitutions of Europe, we need not fear that any other nation than Russia will oppress the Hebrews. On the contrary, indeed, the Hebrews are continually making new advances in the esteem and friendship of all other people, Christian and Mahomedan. Gog is pictured to us as a man filled with the ambition of subduing the whole world; and we do not know, in the existing state of affairs, any nation of Asia or Africa which conceives a project so bold. America is out of the question, and the power is equally balanced among the other nations of Europe, the majority of them friends of peace. They hold in horror every species of warfare and of conquests; even those who are not actuated by religion, public opinion, and the arts and sciences. Russia is the single empire which has the disposition, and can command the means of undertaking a like campaign; and it is worthy of remark, that a prophecy is in vogue in Russia, its origin I know not, predicting that at a certain future period the Russians will become Lords of the Universe. True or false, this prophecy has a tendency to fortify them with courage, and of itself already bears witness into what extremities they are inclined to plunge in this gigantic struggle. In addition to these, there are several other reasons which induce us to believe that Russia is the empire predicted by Ezekiel, and the chief reason is drawn from the description of the country itself”.
Add to that the persistent belief in the authenticity of the Will of Peter the Great.
WizOz
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here’s a photo blog representing the protesters. fascinating material:
http://zyalt.livejournal.com/984735.html
Who cares what Allen Dulles was planning 70 years ago? We all know he was a swine. Who cares what some obscure rabbi of a Jamaican synagogue wrote over 150 years ago? It’s got nothing to do with Ukraine in 2014. Who cares what the BBC has to say on any subject? They, as well as The NY Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel and a handful of other news organisations represent the hub of the most devious and malicious of western propaganda. Why listen to them? There are real and very dangerous conspiracies against the vast majority of the planet’s human population all over the place. Why muddy the water with irrelevances and distractions?
Here’s a sane, sober, secular, rational and enlightened take on the situation in Ukraine from a Marxist perspective …
http://www.lalkar.org/issues/contents/jan2014/ukraine.html
… much preferable to the rubbish western and most of Russian news media are squirting on the subject.
Thanks a lot WizOz, always learn something new!
I’ve never heard of the Will of Peter the Great. One answer generates many additional questions. So, if you don’t mind:
Whose (if) falsification was that?
The quote you cited sounds like from the Chabad-Lubavitch Hacidic Movement.
Why is that movement controversial? Why are Zionists eager to get its archives from Russia by all means?
Do you thinkDulles’ Plan was authentic?
Of course, WWII was an attempt tried before.
In that context, how true is that the money France got for the Louisiana Purchase was spent on the Napolion’s invasion of Russia 1812? Who was the Godfather of that deal?
It’s all closely related to the topic, me thinks; what’s going on in Ukraine now is more of the same.
Ukraine is experiencing exactly the same imperialist conspiracy — from without as well as from within — as Czechoslovakia 80 years ago. It mirrors it in every single detail. Nazi Germany as the meanest part of the West sent in its rabble-rousers and bankrolled the so-called Sudeten “nationalists” in Czechoslovakia’s westernmost part with a view to grab the entire country with the tacit approval of the “friendly” Western powers. The Czechs had spent huge amounts of money on securing the border, but to no avail since the government was coward, grovelling before the West, and inept overall. The president, Eduard Beneš, could have put down the Nazi threat easily, especially with Soviet aid according to the defence pact with Moscow, but refused to do so. He was secretly hoping that the USSR would behave just like Britain and France and was much disappointed when Moscow repeatedly confirmed its promise to stand by Czechoslovakia as per request.
As can be seen today, the West remains true to its ideals. And maybe the most conspicous manifestation hereof is the excellent accuracy and instinct by which it spots the most incompetent and coward among its adversaries.
@Sokenekos,
What was called the Testament (or the Will) of Tsar Peter the Great, was a puroported secret plan to conquer the World. It was attributed to Peter. The disscussion would be to long. I recomend a short overview of the question at:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/czar-peter-i-will.htm
It is far from covering all the aspects (the bibliography about is immense).
I gave the quote as I found it on the net. I have little doubts that it originate in the Chabad trough.
@Lumpy Gravy,
Marxist analyses are good, but insuficient.
WizOz