Lavrov’s description of talks with US counterparts.
Putin added that Russia’s security concerns were “ignored” by the responses from the Americans.
“No adequate response” to three key demands of Russia.
Sounds like infertile ground to plant the seeds of hope for peace.
Sometimes you have to turnover the soil, add some nitrogen, water and work it before you plant the seeds.
Now you can use a shovel, a pitchfork, a plow or tank treads to turnover the soil. The question is what tool will the Russians employ?
And how long is the planting season?
The other question you might submit to the Kremlin is: do you evaluate that the West wants peace?
It appears they need war, not peace.
Well, the planting season is going to be brief this year. Likely by the end of the Olympics at the end of this month, before the Ides of March, there could be a dramatic ending to this noble search for a secure peace.
History teaches that peace is the absence of war, and it is a rare state in the six centuries of Western Civilization. As this civilization grinds to dust in the early 21st Century, one more war may be its destiny.
The coup de grâce may have to be delivered by Russia.
It is a privilege to have you on this forum and follow your thought patterns. I was recently contemplating on the history and influence of agriculture too. History rhymes and is most instructive. I agree a psychological denouement may be imminent this Spring, if not the literal big one.
Traditions handed down through History.. One of the great powers of antiquity was the Phoenician stronghold of Carthage.. Some say a strong element of the “method” of the Parasite has been maintained from Carthage via all subsequent Hegemons it infiltrated and subsumed.
Much in Carthage resonates with the way of life of the US Empire.
– Both are despised Sea Peoples, preying on Land Peoples, with whom they traded and terrorized in equal measure.
– Both started as offshoots colonies which in time colonized their home base – USA consumed/merged with Britain; Carthage with Tyre (in ancient Canaan, today in Lebanon)
– at root of their power was trade – being the link between nations by Sea, and especially in food, the production of which they excelled over all. The Carthaginian considered the Father of Farming inspired the Romans’ very lifestyle. US Senators openly proclaimed intent to control world food supply at end of WW2 – and achieved it through industrialized Big Agriculture.
– Both had very dark deep currents, which came to overshadow their many innovations and benefits to mankind. Both elites were Moloch-worshipers; in fact, the Bull or Ox symbol of Carthage was Moloch (the recent Travis Scott Astroworld tragedy used as its entrance the same open-mouth design of the Idol of Moloch, the Fire god, in the child ritual sacrifice in Tyre and Carthage). For many generations now, Republican leaders openly gathered in the same Fire ceremony under their Owl at Bohemian Grove in California. As for Democrats – do the Clintons need an introduction? Undoubtedly Satan himself learned new tricks at their feet.
– The Powers rival to the USA may soon come to the same conclusion the Roman Republic drew of the relentless inflexible ideology and aggression of Phoenicians: Carthago delenda est..
The above is merely a taste, and far from exhaustive.
It’s not Carthage but Rome that resembled the modern US. Executive and legislative institutions of the Roman Empire were similar to the US, and most importantly, Rome collapsed because of internal decadence rather than of hostile powers. This is also analogous with the US.
Carthage on the other hand didn’t maintain a centuries long empire and they weren’t barbarians as the Roman historians have portrayed them.
I agree the Roman Empire was an earlier Host of the Parasite, and a clear role model for Pax America. However the contemporary of the Carthaginians was the antecedent Roman Republic, which was another matter altogether. It had many virtues prior to its decadence.
The history of the Phoenicians is lost to most; its lessons are sharper and offer more relief for comparison purposes.
My reading of that article is that Russia has no good options and the least worst is to do nothing. They spend the first part of the article explaining how Ukraine can be used by NATO as a springboard to attack Russia, then come to the conclusion that Russia should just stand back and let that happen, because otherwise Western sanctions will turn them into a “European North Korea”. The problem is, those sanctions are coming anyway and if they aren’t prepared for it they’re going to be in trouble. Control of whether or not there is a conflict is not in Russia’s hands. Eventually Ukraine will make a move on Donbass and Russia will have to intervene. Even if all they do is supply weapons and volunteers to the Donbass militia, that will be used as an excuse to impose more sanctions. As Putin once said, if a fight is inevitable you should strike first.
I believe that the vast majority of Russians support the Kremlin on the Ukraine issue but clearly, some people in the RT editorial board are some western bootlickers.
Just the other day, they published a report on the so-called ‘human rights groups’ in Russia singing a petition to denounce Kremlin’s ‘war party’. Reportedly, the believe that Russia has no security threat.
It’s funny that just over 100 people out of a population of 146 million had signed the petition but RT gave them free publicity. Putin should do a cleanup of that media firm asap.
The non ultimatum, accompanied by a “military and technical” threat, is the most provocative document I have ever read.
Only because it comes from the Russians, Putin and Lavrov are not given to empty threats.
Now the world awaits the “technical and military” response.
One day the French Maginot line was the greatest piece of military kit the world had ever seen.
The next day it was worthless junk when the German forces bypassed it.
A few weeks later the German’s were herding the last of French forces and the BEF onto a beach at Dunkirk.
Today’s Maginot line is aircraft carrier strike groups.
They have no defense against new style hypersonic missiles.
“Extremely negative attitude”
Lavrov’s description of talks with US counterparts.
Putin added that Russia’s security concerns were “ignored” by the responses from the Americans.
“No adequate response” to three key demands of Russia.
Sounds like infertile ground to plant the seeds of hope for peace.
Sometimes you have to turnover the soil, add some nitrogen, water and work it before you plant the seeds.
Now you can use a shovel, a pitchfork, a plow or tank treads to turnover the soil. The question is what tool will the Russians employ?
And how long is the planting season?
The other question you might submit to the Kremlin is: do you evaluate that the West wants peace?
It appears they need war, not peace.
Well, the planting season is going to be brief this year. Likely by the end of the Olympics at the end of this month, before the Ides of March, there could be a dramatic ending to this noble search for a secure peace.
History teaches that peace is the absence of war, and it is a rare state in the six centuries of Western Civilization. As this civilization grinds to dust in the early 21st Century, one more war may be its destiny.
The coup de grâce may have to be delivered by Russia.
Dear Larch,
It is a privilege to have you on this forum and follow your thought patterns. I was recently contemplating on the history and influence of agriculture too. History rhymes and is most instructive. I agree a psychological denouement may be imminent this Spring, if not the literal big one.
https://youtu.be/cAXf1_dcdDE
Commonalities of Sea Peoples
Traditions handed down through History.. One of the great powers of antiquity was the Phoenician stronghold of Carthage.. Some say a strong element of the “method” of the Parasite has been maintained from Carthage via all subsequent Hegemons it infiltrated and subsumed.
Much in Carthage resonates with the way of life of the US Empire.
– Both are despised Sea Peoples, preying on Land Peoples, with whom they traded and terrorized in equal measure.
– Both started as offshoots colonies which in time colonized their home base – USA consumed/merged with Britain; Carthage with Tyre (in ancient Canaan, today in Lebanon)
– at root of their power was trade – being the link between nations by Sea, and especially in food, the production of which they excelled over all. The Carthaginian considered the Father of Farming inspired the Romans’ very lifestyle. US Senators openly proclaimed intent to control world food supply at end of WW2 – and achieved it through industrialized Big Agriculture.
– Both had very dark deep currents, which came to overshadow their many innovations and benefits to mankind. Both elites were Moloch-worshipers; in fact, the Bull or Ox symbol of Carthage was Moloch (the recent Travis Scott Astroworld tragedy used as its entrance the same open-mouth design of the Idol of Moloch, the Fire god, in the child ritual sacrifice in Tyre and Carthage). For many generations now, Republican leaders openly gathered in the same Fire ceremony under their Owl at Bohemian Grove in California. As for Democrats – do the Clintons need an introduction? Undoubtedly Satan himself learned new tricks at their feet.
– The Powers rival to the USA may soon come to the same conclusion the Roman Republic drew of the relentless inflexible ideology and aggression of Phoenicians: Carthago delenda est..
The above is merely a taste, and far from exhaustive.
A.H.H.
It’s not Carthage but Rome that resembled the modern US. Executive and legislative institutions of the Roman Empire were similar to the US, and most importantly, Rome collapsed because of internal decadence rather than of hostile powers. This is also analogous with the US.
Carthage on the other hand didn’t maintain a centuries long empire and they weren’t barbarians as the Roman historians have portrayed them.
I agree the Roman Empire was an earlier Host of the Parasite, and a clear role model for Pax America. However the contemporary of the Carthaginians was the antecedent Roman Republic, which was another matter altogether. It had many virtues prior to its decadence.
The history of the Phoenicians is lost to most; its lessons are sharper and offer more relief for comparison purposes.
For once, a not too bad analysis from RT:
Russia now has just three options left on Ukraine
With Washington rejecting many of Moscow’s security concerns, the prospect of escalation is rising
https://www.rt.com/russia/547943-west-proposed-security-guarantees/
My reading of that article is that Russia has no good options and the least worst is to do nothing. They spend the first part of the article explaining how Ukraine can be used by NATO as a springboard to attack Russia, then come to the conclusion that Russia should just stand back and let that happen, because otherwise Western sanctions will turn them into a “European North Korea”. The problem is, those sanctions are coming anyway and if they aren’t prepared for it they’re going to be in trouble. Control of whether or not there is a conflict is not in Russia’s hands. Eventually Ukraine will make a move on Donbass and Russia will have to intervene. Even if all they do is supply weapons and volunteers to the Donbass militia, that will be used as an excuse to impose more sanctions. As Putin once said, if a fight is inevitable you should strike first.
I agree,it’s articles like that that make me wonder if Russians have the will to save Russia .It’s just sad.
сегодня он покупает телефон а завтра он продаст родину
Google translation,MOD:
today he buys a phone and tomorrow he will sell his homeland
@Uncle Bob
I believe that the vast majority of Russians support the Kremlin on the Ukraine issue but clearly, some people in the RT editorial board are some western bootlickers.
Just the other day, they published a report on the so-called ‘human rights groups’ in Russia singing a petition to denounce Kremlin’s ‘war party’. Reportedly, the believe that Russia has no security threat.
It’s funny that just over 100 people out of a population of 146 million had signed the petition but RT gave them free publicity. Putin should do a cleanup of that media firm asap.
The non ultimatum, accompanied by a “military and technical” threat, is the most provocative document I have ever read.
Only because it comes from the Russians, Putin and Lavrov are not given to empty threats.
Now the world awaits the “technical and military” response.
One day the French Maginot line was the greatest piece of military kit the world had ever seen.
The next day it was worthless junk when the German forces bypassed it.
A few weeks later the German’s were herding the last of French forces and the BEF onto a beach at Dunkirk.
Today’s Maginot line is aircraft carrier strike groups.
They have no defense against new style hypersonic missiles.
Putin should pointedly point out that:
– Russia has not invaded Ukraine and doesn’t want to in future;
– Nato members illegally invaded Syria, looted it of antiquities and oil, and are still occupying parts of the country today.
Not that the MsM would report it, but Russia definitely occupies the high moral ground here.
a great piece by Pat Buchanan here:
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/02/02/is-the-territorial-integrity-of-ukraine-a-cause-worth-americas-fighting-a-war-with-russia/