Comment by Doom Sternz
Ten days before the Odessa tragedy a secret meeting was held in Kiev, chaired by the incumbent president Olexander Turchinov, to prepare a special operation in Odessa. Present were minister of internal affairs Arsen Avakov, the head of the Ukrainian Security Service Valentin Nalivaychenko, and the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Andriy Parubiy. Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoiskiy, the Kiev-appointed head of regional administration of the Dnepropetrovsk region, was consulted in regard to the operation.During that meeting Arsen Avakov has reportedly came up with the idea of using football hooligans, known as “ultras,” in the operation. Ever since his time as the head of the Kharkov regional administration he has worked closely with the fans leaders, whom he continued to sponsor even from his new home in Italy. Kolomoisky temporarily delivered his private “Dnieper-1” Battalion under the command of law-enforcement officials in Odessa and also authorized a cash payment of $5,000 for “each pro-Russian separatist” killed during the special operation.A couple of days before the operation in Odessa Andriy Parubiy brought dozens of bullet-proof vests to local ultra-nationalists. Ultranationalist militants from the extremist Ukrainian National Assembly (UNA-UNSO), who could be recognized by their red armbands, were also used during the operation. They were assigned a key role in the staging of the provocations: they masqueraded as the defenders of the tent city on Kulikovo Field, and then lured its occupants into the House of Trade Unions to be slaughtered.Fifteen roadblocks were set up outside of Odessa, secured by militants under the personal command of Kolomoisky’s “Dnieper-1” Battalion, as well as Right Sector’s thugs from Dnepropetrovsk and the western regions of Ukraine. In addition, two military units from the Self-Defense of Maidan arrived in Odessa, under the command of the acting head of the administration of the president, Sergey Pashinsky – the same man who was caught with a sniper rifle in the trunk of his car on Feb. 18 on Independence Square (Maidan) in Kiev.
The role of the Odessa police forces in the operation was personally directed by the head of the regional police, Petr Lutsyuk, and his deputy Dmitry Fucheji.
The Massacre of Odessa changed the world and the bell tolled–which side are you on? Those who pray for the planet and its well being and those to endeavor to be wise/informed knew this and were horrified. There is true evil afoot.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2016/01/litvinenko-what-really-happened.html
I don’t understand the point of slipping a very serious matter, such as the Odessa Massacre of 2014, into a funny put-on story about Mme Nuland.
Yes,I think we should never forget that day. It was a “game changer” in many ways (some not really much thought about). Before that event the troubles in Donbass might have been settled peacefully. But that event polarized the situation. I remember seeing and hearing how the event spread the outrage already felt in Donbass. I remember seeing people in Donbass watching the events in Odessa live on TV. And the anger (and fear) minute by minute coming out. People began to fully realize there, that the junta was a homicidal organization.And couldn’t be reasoned with politically.
Yep, Amerika congress just gave some $$$$$ to the right sector. Amerika feeding it’s Ukraine Nazis.
Click on the link for the whole story.
https://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/ideological-night-riders/
I neo-conns never go away.
US is run by Nazis
the much frequently referred to shadow govenment in the US is it. they never went away. with their hidden/off the books finance mechanism fund their sick cause arond the globe with a special zeal to destroy russia – what they did not manage 70 years back.
russian leadership know this very well and some are publicly stating it. (glaziyev is on record for saying just that). putin knows that this cabal would stop at nothing in order to achieve their diabolical objective. this is why, i think, he gave the control of russia nuclear buttons to russia’s military field commanders.
if in doubt, please refer to the ‘paper clip’ project and you will no longer wonder what happened to von braun, borman an other nazi elite..and their ill gotten loot.
It is an excellent comment, succinct and to the point. Lest we forget it was premeditated mass murder, meant to terrorise. intimidate and shock.
To every journalist in the west who failed to tell the obvious truth……..
Shame on you, cowards and quislings alike.
I love this blog and all the sincere people who reside here.
Espina Scotland
Wow,there is a great article on Fort Russ detailing a theory on what really happened in the Litvinenko death. And while you and I really can’t be sure 100% of anything in that case. I think their theory makes far more sense than the British “hate Russia” theory does:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2016/01/litvinenko-what-really-happened.html
Thanks for posting that link UB1. Very interesting read!
But, but, but… Uncle Bob, the British Bloviator says that probable ‘secret intelligence’ probably heard in a probably closed session (probably in the Star Chamber) probably proves that probably Putin did it. They were probably right probably all along!
President Putin ‘probably’ approved Litvinenko murder
“The conclusions of this inquiry are stronger than many expected in pointing the finger at Vladimir Putin personally.
The evidence behind that seems to have come from secret intelligence heard in closed session”
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35370819
Probably anyone who believes this insulting and improbable judicial farce of political theatrics is not probably an idiot -they are a certifiable one.
Not even Monty Python could better this parody.
Hmmm “probably” they had one of those “new-fangled” house-fly shaped drones that flew into the Kremlin. And listened, sitting on a wall, while Putin “probably” gave the order. Otherwise there is no “probable” way they could “probably” be sure he “probably” ordered the hit. Unless the British government ,not “probably”,but “certainly” made the story up.
Quite right, Uncle Bob! Fly-on-the-wall drone.
And at the Litvinenko inquiry, Putin was heard by the drone to say “You caught me bang to rights!”
“It was a fair cop, I done it all”
How many shekels would the judge be due, do you think?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world/russia-dismisses-britain-s-litvinenko-inquiry-as-joke-humour/story-gDO065QceEANk7bYSM3jUL.html
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/329676-litvinenko-inquiry-uk-putin/
The ‘inquiry’ is reminiscent of the standards in this Monty Python skit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVV7hfbYOsg
I believe that Putin ‘probably’ ordered the Ripper Murders, too, and the hit on Cock Robin. The foaming insane ‘Guardian’ says so.
For a journey into logical fallacies, non seqiturs and smear have a read of this toxic waste:
Litvinenko inquiry: Russia derision at ‘joke’ report
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35379139
This is the same English ‘legal’ system that covered up elite paedophilia for decades, that worked with the police to ignore Murdoch MSM crime, then let him off with a wrist-slap and who have been fluffing around for years to cover up the conspiracy to attack Iraq, a crime that killed over a million, not one slimy, treacherous, duplicitous scum-ball who got what he had coming.
BBC.com ? Check who runs that propaganda machine .
Bob, when Litvinenko, was killed I looked up Polonium poisoning, and-can you imagine my surprise?- up popped stories about ‘accidental Polonium poisoning’ in some place called ‘Dimona’. Wow! Then we must remember that a certain chap called Arafat. who died mysteriously after Ariel Sharon ordered his termination, was found to have Polonium in his system. Before the Zionazi MSM lie-machine ‘disappeared’ that information (just as the Aunty Tom Chief Prosecutor at the ICC has ‘disappeared’ the ‘investigation’ into Israeli war-crimes in Gaza)one inventive liar asserted that Polonium was used in ‘diagnostic tests’. It’s pretty obvious who topped Litvinenko, just as they have eliminated hundreds of others who ‘got in their way’ or whose deaths were useful.
Your right,I had forgotten about that. I remember hearing about that in the past. Now,you’d think that is a point that someone should have mentioned in these latest articles. It brings a whole different theory to the case.
UB1
Thanks for posting the Litvenenko piece. Interesting info and very plausible. I actually speculated at the time this may have been an accidental self contamination in a botched smuggling op, though not for a dirty bomb false flag in the UK, but instead for use against Iran or Russia by israel’s ubiquitous al Qaida stand ins.
The area in it where I disagree is about the 2 Russians contaminated with po-210 also being part of the smuggling plan. The planes showing contamination they flew on we’re the return trip ones. Meaning they got contaminated in the UK, probably without their knowledge of the existence of the po-210 being known to them.
Also, RT has this interesting info from Litvenenko’s brother and father about UK security services probable involvement.
Britain had more motivation to kill Aleksandr Litvinenko than Russia, brother claims
https://www.rt.com/news/329804-litvinenko-brother-britain-murder/
I read that,its a good story. Also,I saw a report that one of the accused “killers” said that days before Litvinenko’s murder,MI6 had tried to recruit him as a spy.
The disgrace of Odessa massacre is on almost every institution of government and law and order of every Western nation. There is not one single nation of the West that has not looked the other way, financed the Kiev junta, helped the junta fascist government entities and ignored the facts of the mass murder.
There are no excuses by any official or the leadership who know anything about Russia and Ukraine over the last two years. If you have a scintilla of awareness, you know the nazis are running the Ukraine. And you know there have been many egregious events, none more in a spotlight than the horror of Odessa.
The shame is for forever.
For me the big mistake of Putin,Odessa…he did not do anything.The West only respects threads and action.For them it was a sign of weakness and we all know what happened after Odessa for that very same reason.
Where are we today with 9500 dead for nothing,thousands of injured,1.2 millions of refugees in Russia,the oil price collapsing on purpose to destroy Russia,the MH17,more sanctions….what about the ”our partners’ and ”our friends’ policies?Zero result.The ruble is reaching 86 usd,93 euros.Some talk about 200 soon and hyperinflation.Not to forget Syria with now Us troops and turkish troops arriving in the north(ok in small numbers for the moment but..)If Syria is going to loose some territory,it is game over for Putin and gazprom though for Russia on the medium term(or even short term).Qatar and KSS will go ahead with their dream of pipelines to Europe.
Humiliation,lot of money lost.And one day they will try Crimea,not tomorrow but don’t expect these banksters to stop their fight to death against Putin or any possible pro Russia president.
Why is the top of the Russian central bank doing nothing at all??
She was even supposed to go to Davos,strangely she cancelled the trip at the banksters party for a panic emergency meeting(msm).
It is maybe not too late to talk tough and to act also in another way.On the financial side first and then on all other sides as well.
There will never be Minsk 2 or 3 or elections in the Donbass…a joke.
The IMF is printing free and unlimited money for Kiev.Who cares?
Gas invoices and debts are not paid or repaid…et etc
Please provide me just one single element which could be positive.
The sanctions and the very low oil price are here to stay at least till the elections in RF.
Or if necessary till presidential elections.They hope Putin will loose them or will be killed before.If it happen, a sudden miracle will follow as a new pro US puppet will take Russia over and it will be too late.All the benefits will be lost.
Or maybe is Putin just another oligarch who finaly does not care so much about his country but only about his own fortune?
A real deception…
Several years ago I used to believe that Putin is really smart and he knows what he is doing. Lately, I am having serious doubts and I even start to consider we have been fooled by a very subtle masquerade in the past decade.
It bothers me that him alone is the only hero of the free world. How come no one else is being prepared to take his place in case of a heart attack or accident ? What if he gets Alzheimer disease ?
What if Putin is made to look like a good guy ? And helped at the critical moments to make it look like his genius strategy is working (until one day when will simply not work anymore) ? What if history needs to follow a certain curse and things are staged ? It might sound extremely SF and crazy, but not entirely impossible. The purpose would be to rally all the forces, that want a different world, around a leader that is under the subtle control of NWO. We will all put our entire hopes and trust in this leader, who will deceive us in the end.
I really hope I will be wrong, but, more and more, the magic strategy of Putin looks like a big bluff of an incompetent, that was just lucky to ride a good moment of high oil prices.
If Putin is an agent of the NWO, at some point he will be thrown to the cage of wolfs, no matter how many promises and money he received ….
The other theory I have is that maybe Russia has some magic weapon that allows them to stay cool until the last moment, when they will unleash it against the enemies at once and it will be over in 30min. Then they can change the world in to a better place.
Why Russia and Iran are so desperate to sell their oil instead of producing petro-chemical goods is absolutely baffling. If Putin used only 1% of the revenues for the last decade to invest in some new petro-chemical technologies, now Russia could have been number one exporter of those goods instead of Germany.
Putin is incompetent, Russia is doomed? Do you work for the BBC?
I am placing various theories instead of joining the crowd of cheerleaders. I have very strong logic and based on facts questions, which have no answer after many years of research.
The most critical one is why the National Bank of Russia is still under the control of BIS after all these years.
Also, if Putin is the leader of the free world, why doesn’t he come out with a speech in which to expose officially the big scam of printing money perpetrated by the FED ?????? From his position and with the power he has behind, he could blow up the entire web of lies in 2-3 days if he wanted. He could get millions of people to wake up in an instant. But, strange enough, he is not doing it, even worse: he keeps using dollars as the reference for anything. That doesn’t really match up with the leader of a new free world not controlled by banksters !
Maybe he doesn’t want to reveal the corrupt game of printing money, maybe he wants a piece of it ??? Don’t I have a right to imagine this possibility and ask this question ???
I will not denigrate either your or Anonymous 12:15’s writing skills and thoughts, I am surely not a knee jerk supporter of the president. However, if either of you think you can do a better job in Moskau then have at it.
When Mr. Putin was handed the reigns of power over a decade ago he had a country what had fallen apart culturally and economically, in essence Russia had lost her soul and was rudderless. The culture every single soul in Russia and SSSR had grown up with was gone almost overnight, replaced by a ‘culture’ and society that no one knew how to deal with. To say things were rough is a vast understatement.
The President has spent the last over a decade rebuilding Russia. He started with literally nothing and has worked mightily to both rebuild and protect Russia. It is no secret that DC/Langley wants Russia, or as they call it ‘The Russias’, gone and have worked day and night to accomplish this goal. Not many decades ago economic attacks like have been made for the last two and more years on Russia would have brought a visit from the ambassador with a declaration of war in his hand. Mr. Putin did not do this, he has worked mightily to prevent and avoid war regardless of the blatant attempts by the aforementioned entities to goad Russia to war.
That being said, the President has also worked day and night to rebuild and modernize the Armed Forces of Russia. There is still a very long way to go but the progress has been amazing. I have no idea why DC/Langley feel they can continue to goad the bear with no risk to themselves. The avowed tactical operations of Russian Army have been publicly stated as including tactical nuclear weapons from the start as the situations needs. They should understand by now that the President does not bluff and bluster, he acts rapidly and silently, witness March of ’14 in Krimu and September of ’15 in Syria.
As we sit here in our bucolic little valley overlooking the harbor,are we safe? No. We do keep a weather eye on the situations in EU and Syria, this daily. We have watched EU destroy itself in the last two years to become a walking dead man. We have watched DC become ever more arrogant as the very weapon of their diplomacy, the US Armed Forces, have been bled white in endless wars and destroyed from within by civilians in power who have an agenda. So be it.
If war does come, and the danger is very real and close, we won’t care. My wife has categorically refused to go to safe haven, she will not leave my side or abandon our home, knowing full well that if and when it starts our harbor will be the very first target. It is statistically impossible to knock down all the missiles that will target our little city. However, DC/Langley/Brussels/Berlin/London should know this. No one has defeated or destroyed Russia for centuries. The citizens, and that includes us, will fight for every stone, every street, every wall, every back alley, every hill, every field, every river like a wolf defending her cubs. Know that and understand that. You can not win and you will not win. We will again rebuild Russia. You may not be able to rebuild your countries and cultures this time.
The thing for those of us outside Russia that is hard to judge is how much progress has been made in industrial, technological, financial, medical, educational, and economic fields? We can see the progress in Russia’s military, but it is hard to judge if Russia’s electronics will be world-class soon. And it is also hard to see when all the pro-Western financial/corporate elites will be brought under more control or expelled or forced to retire to the West.
All the military drills and cruise missile launches are important, but the real attack from the West is not likely to be a direct military assault. If anything, it would be blowing up five places at the same time while perhaps cutting off access to the West. Whoever controls DC may be insane, but they aren’t crazy.
Understated, dear Auslander. Only the truly ignorant are blind to the facts that very little of the West will be livable if Russia is attacked, by proxy, terror armies or direct source of aggression.
I have written at least a dozen times that the nuclear weapon is already poised, approved for use by the Rada and Security Council and over and over stated as first strike option, much less as counter to a significant conventional force.
The people who face this in their bunkers, situation rooms and escape planes understand they are doomed. They know the ground from which they rule their hegemony will glow for hundreds of years if they make a mistake.
And the notion that Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine has a prayer of success lurching toward Crimea or Donbass or Russia is merely fascist wet dreams. They will look like they recreated the Southern Boiler of 2014 and will appear as cinder and twisted metal as did thousands of Ukies.
I know the region is festooned with bizarre types of sociopaths and psychotics speaking Ukie, Polish and Lithuanian, but Putin has already decided. The orders already cut. The forces already armed and on post. All that is left is for the insane to enter their own deathtrap.
As for commentators here, some are new and have to become better informed. Auslander’s comments are the best. He lives in Russia, in Crimea, in the port of the RF Navy of the Black Sea Fleet. He has a military background. He is the perfect authority on the topic.
Some other voices are trolls and can be prayed for to someday overcome their stupidity.
We have so moved past engaging with them in hopes they will go away and cleanup their mom’s basement, get a job and get on with a real life.
Knocking Putin based on he didn’t start a war, or commit to occupying a nation of 42 million souls, or exact punishment from the evil scum and nazis of Ukraine is not even sophomoric. It’s infantile.
If I were moderating, I’d just blank out their words, guide them to a different calling, and not bother the rest of us with such splatter over and over, posted under merely a new name or no name.
Eg., “Anonymous: (silly anti-Putin comment removed)”
Excellent write-up. Putin and his team has meticulously built the Russian ‘State’ and ‘society’ both. Reversing most of the damages done by the AngloZionists in the 1990s, Putin has built brick-by-brick. He will take neither any decision in haste, nor he will wait for ever. I’m sure, at the right time, the Novorossians will get their independence or stay within democratic Ukraine as autonomous region – in either case they will be free from the Ukro Nazis with help of Putin. No amount of USA/NATO interference can save the Nazis.
However, i am not really clear, what will happen to central and west Ukraine ? Will the Nazis continue to rule there ? Will new democratic force arise in central and west Ukraine who can keep Novorossia as part of Ukraine only ? Do you have any idea ?
Very interesting what you are saying and I’m inclined to give you right on those assumptions.Some years ago an old man told me something strange about Putin: (it may sound strange but never mind)
he told me that there will be a russian president who will be very popular not only in Russia but on the whole world,this is Putin.According to his words he was appointed by divine powers to be the judge of the entire world.As we know,he is a religious faithful man but I’m asking myself if he really understand his role,and if he does then it has to be a real big fight inside his own conscience in his own soul.There is no easy way to decide,but he might be forced to do a very hard decision witch will change the world.Every day passing away the harder will be and the time is ticking.It’s like when you are postponing to go to the dentist till your teeth has to be taken out because it cannot be saved other way.If mr.Putin won’t do that – witch I doubt – the military will take the ball and will be worst.In any case,the essence is the same.
your post sounds a bit like this.
The current Constitution of the Russian Federation does not give the President all necessary powers for the salvation of our country. The public authorities are sabotaging the decrees of the President.
On January 19th 2016, saboteurs of Presidential decrees in the Duma rejected a draft bill to introduce a penal code for the non-execution of presidential decrees . The draft law on the introduction of criminal liability for failure of presidential decrees was rejected by the Parliament during a plenary session.
The authors of the bill had proposed a fine of 2 million to 3 million rubles or the salary or other income for a period of three to four years with the inability for the perpetrators for up to three years to occupy positions of state civil service. According to all-Russia people’s front, up to 40% of acts of the President remain unfulfilled, including the “May” decrees of 2012.
According to the bill, it was proposed to introduced criminal responsibility for Federal civil servants and to civil servants of subjects of the Russian Federation for non-execution and improper execution of decrees, orders and instructions of the President of the Russian Federation, if it entailed essential infringement and legitimate interests of citizens, organizations, society or the state.
In addition to fines, the authors suggested to punish by deprivation of the right to occupy certain posts for the term of up to three years.
On economic sanctions
The free encyclopedia Wikipedia reads:
Economic sanctions (include trade sanctions and financial penalties) are prohibitive economic measures that are used by one member of the international trade (the country or group of countries) in relation to another party (“the object of sanctions”) in order to force the latter to change policy.
The objectives of sanctions:
Policy change by sanctioning the country in a limited area.
Regime change with the secondary aim of changing the policy of the sanctioned country.
Cessation of hostilities.
The destruction of the military potential of the country.
Changes in other important aspects of the policy of the sanctioned country.
WHAT is the POLITICAL COURSE CHOSEN by Vladimir PUTIN
AND WHAT SUCCESSES WERE ACHIEVED DURING HIS REIGN?
For 12 years Putin has increased the budget of Russia 22 times, military spending – 30 times, GDP – 12 times (Russia jumped from 36th place in the world by GDP to 6th place).
Increased international reserves 48 times!
Returned 256 mineral deposits to Russian jurisdiction (left back 3!).
Severed “liberalism” in the history of the agreement on production sharing.
Nationalized 65% of oil industry and 95% of gas and many other industries.
Raised the industry and agriculture (Russia for 5 years in a row has taken 2-3 place in the world by grain exports, overtaking the US, currently in 4th place).
Increased average salaries in the public sector of 18.5 times in 12 years, while the average pension – 14 times.
Well, a small thing: Putin (he) lowered extinction of the population of Russia from 1,5 million persons a year in 1999 to 21 thousand in 2011, i.e. 71,5 times.
In addition, Putin canceled the Khasavyurt agreement – then defended the integrity of Russia, gave publicity to NGOs – forbade deputies of 5th column to have accounts abroad, defended Syria, stopped the war in Chechnya. Had paid the huge external debt of about 400 billion dollars.
Arranged the best win the history of the world of the Olympics.
Returned Crimea!
It follows the above that the purpose of economic sanctions against Russia is to force her to change her political course, i.e. to stop the revival and development of the country and to destroy everything that was able to be recovered over the years of Putin’s rule.
THIS IS NOTHING LESS THAN A DECLARATION OF WAR.
Decrees to sabotage the President by government authorities, and the current Constitution of the Russian Federation, does not allow the President all necessary powers for the salvation of our country.
In connection with this requirement, the procedure provided by the law “on state of emergency” urgently provides emergency power to President Vladimir Putin.
In the Russian Federation, the state of emergency is introduced by the President in circumstances stipulated by the Federal Constitutional Law “On States of emergency”, with immediate notification to the Federation Council and the State Duma.”
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/sabotage-of-presidential-decrees-grant.html
ie a declaration of emergency only makes Rus fall into neocons plans and fifth column plans, the hysteria by the west created over Litvinenko…………….panics the market and everyone , that’s what they wantand goes against everything that VP stated at his recent “state of the nation” presentations that he involves himself in…openly and honestly with integrity, and intelligence, he knows how it is all connected-eg the secret deals that he had going on with Turkey before being stabbed in the back………..note huge military investment, surely one senses he is “on the ball”.
Some Ukrainian volunteers were promised property and Russian slaves in Donbass in 2014. Does anyone have a link?
Please translate this into English or use translator jus to read about another atrocities in the hearth of Europe
Perhaps you would like to consider doing the translation yourself Anon. I have rather a lot of work on. Thanks mod PS
For years I tried to understand why there is so much hatred in many Ukrainians (Ruthenians) against Russians, since they have common origins and speak almost the same language (well, with some polish influence the more west you go). Let’s not pretend to not observe it, it is there big time (not just 5%-10%). Even in Odessa, there was minimal support for pro-russian rallies (I’ve seen many videos at the time).
This hate is caused by reviving memories of Holodomor or because Ruthenians felt that Russia incorporated them, without consent, after the Khlemyitsky uprising from 1648 and the treaty from Pereslayev ?
How strong is the religious component: catholics (plus uniates) versus orthodox ?
It is obvious you are here just to spread disinformation. Maybe you haven’t been following the tragic events in Ukraine closely? or read here and on many other sites the history and background to this artificial construct called the Ukraine?
The US/West have spent decades supporting, financing and pushing their agenda using their Nazi proxies. Not only have they changed the history books but the language to try and wipe out any trace of the Russian heritage and truth. Russia has been financing and supporting Ukraine to the tune of 100’s of billions for the last 25 years……so your myths don’t add up.
Most ordinary people don’t have an issue with Russia – the narrative is to make up these lies and disinformation to justify this hate/Nazi propoganda driven by the US/West.
Maybe you should research real history and facts – the truth about the Holodomor – would be a start!
This is about the horrendous massacre in Odessa – not you trying to justifyy and lay the blame at Russia’s/Putin’s door…..or the innocent victims….
If there was a stronger pro-russian sentiment in Ukraine and with Russia literally at the door, do you think that situation in Ukraine will be what it is today ? Check how many strange assassinations took place in Donetsk against leaders who were perceived as too radical by Kremlin. Go and search online the videos about the Kulikovo square before the massacre. If you are objective, you will admit that no more than 2-3 thousand people gathered there. Your reaction is a typical bolshevik and stalinist one: whoever dares to ask questions that are not in line with the political directive, must be a traitor or disinformant.
I only asked questions. Are most ukraininaks mainly pro-russians, but they are so cowards and kept under control that they can’t do anything even with a big neighbor ? Why they don’t revolt ? Why aren’t the 1 million plus who ran away in Russia coming to fight for the freedom in Ukraine ?
I think my questions are pretty logical.
The Odessa tragedy was a necessary evil for the regime in Kiev, if they intended to survive the next election, then it was crucial that millions of ethnic Russians disappear in Ukraine. Previously the Orange revolution had failed because a pro-Russian government was voted back into power and this new fascist regime certainly did not intend to let this happen again.
The provocation at Odessa was intended to send a message to each and every ethnic Russian that they meant to kill them all. There was no place in the new Ukraine for these sub-human’s who would not support their ideologies. The intended message was received load and clear and after that day the separatist movement was declared, they no longer wanted to be an autonomous region within Ukraine, they now overwhelmingly wanted be free from the fascists.
In Ukraine the US and the EU are using, and continue to use, ethnic cleansing as a means of controlling the ballot box. The US Rand corporation even documented the process prior to the events.
Those primitive and pathetic Galicians. How much lower can they go? The methods that were used in the barbaric execution of innocent Ukrainians are the same patterns utilized by that psychopath, their hero bandera. Their actions have spoken for themselves as they have opened the door to chaos. Their master is waiting for them, they have invited the darkness into their souls. There will be no peace for these evil, immoral beings pretending to be Ukrainian. Go home to Poland, Austria, Hungary or to any hole in the ground that would welcome you while your still alive. Congratulate yourselves on being part of history that is pure evil, may you all rot in hell where you all belong.
@ True Ukrainian, it is inspiring to see your example of unbowed resistance. I hope millions of others under the junta’s boot, quiet for the moment, are also unbowed. They are in the toughest situation of all, we should not forget.
My love for the people of Donbas comes from my heart. My father was from Nikolaev, my mother from Smolensk. I cannot stomach those psychopathic, lunatics from Galicia. Before the fall of the soviet union, people sang Sche ne umerla Ukraina. Now they can sing Ukraina umerla. Thank you for showing the world what a bunch of low life’s that you truly are. Ukraine today is the most corrupted country in the world. The corporations that are doing business with you today have stolen everything that they need. The oligarchs have those zombies wrapped around their fingers. How did you all allow people like Pinchuk, Kolomoisky and other criminals steal your whole country. The only thing that the chorty are good at is promoting hate. Today the only hope for Galicians is to jump in the river and join the carp, your both bottom feeders.
My love for the people of Donbas comes from my heart. My father was from Nikolaev, my mother from Smolensk. I cannot stomach those psychopathic, lunatics from Galicia. Before the fall of the soviet union, people sang Sche ne umerla Ukraina. Now they can sing Ukraina umerla. Thank you for showing the world what a bunch of low life’s that you truly are. Ukraine today is the most corrupted country in the world. The corporations that are doing business with you today have stolen everything that they need. The oligarchs have those zombies wrapped around their fingers. How did you all allow people like Pinchuk, Kolomoisky and other criminals steal your whole country. The only thing that the chorty are good at is promoting hate. Today the only hope for Galicians is to jump in the river and join the carp, your both bottom feeders.
We will never forget Odessa and the atrocities committed by so-called Euromaidan activists who were sadistic killers and who bragged about themselves on Twitter afterwards. We will never forget and we will never forgive.
yup
hope there is urgent progress on all the war crimes submitted to the Hague International Court and now being examined, the “white book” in which every crime is recorded. Rus will never forget, just like the Immortal Regiment”.
a reference back to Auslanders post about being a tourist in Crimea-it is moving to see the eternal flame in Simferopol, and those young military people proudly patrolling the war monument in Sevastopol………
I don’t see what you mean about the Hague. I know that’s a term people just use when talking of punishing war crimes. But seriously,those people will never be brought to justice at the Hague. The Hague trials are only for enemies of the West. People they want to punish. Any justice for our side will need to come from trials our side conducts themselves. Or from the kind of justice brought to Bandera himself.
JJ, with all due respect: The ICC in The Hague is a NWO outfit to boot; a kangaroo court where resistance to Western imperialism is the one and only “crime” accompanied by allegations entirely based upon imbecilic, trumped-up charges. The Ukronazis and their sponsors will never be prosecuted by their revered Western partners in crime. Conversely, if Russia is eventually defeated by the fascist West, then there will be a veritable orgy of spiteful ICC non-stop show trials of sweet revenge against — if still alive –Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov, Poklonskaya, etc. etc. ad infinitum.
Never forget Kristina and Kira
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.es/2015/11/novorossia-madonna-had-message-for.html
Never forget Inna Kukurudze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3w8otAqA8k
Never forget, never forget May 2 2014, Odessa, Kulikuvo Field.
And never forget the real Heroes of Novorussia,
DPR: “Shiba” and “Grom” are back in Donetsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJzdSZoXols
God Bless Them All!!!
OT but a couple of interesting stories tonight. RT is reporting that in a speech to the Arab League President Xi has come out and openly said China supports an independent Palestinian State,with “East Jerusalem” as its capital. That is sure to set the zionists into a fit of China-bashing. He better double his security detail from now on.
And in the US.The “Queen”,while maybe not dead yet,has taken a gunshot wound to the gut. The latest Iowa primary poll shows Sanders 51% to Clinton’s 43%. While on the Republican side Trump is blowing the others out of the water at 58% to his nearest rival at 37%.
Off Topic
Does anyone have more info about this story
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/sabotage-of-presidential-decrees-grant.html
If I understand it correctly… the 5th column in the Duma are not enacting the President’s decrees…??
Oops … the article has already been mentioned above by JJ… thanks
I think this will expose the 5th column within the parliament to the people of Russia now.
The Russian people can all see who stopped this going through. Especially at a time when Russia is under attack from outside and the President is trying to help his people. By blocking this decree – their desperation and duplicity is there for all to see…….I am sure in Russian there is a list of all those who didn’t allow it to pass. It will probably be on the Duma website/information portal.
Babushka, this has always been a problem in Russian government, I’m talking centuries. No one has held absolute power in Russia since as far back as Ivan Grozni and the same is true today.
Russia is a vast land and no Czar or President had or has the ability to watch every corner every day. There will always be those who for whatever reasons decide to ignore the decrees from the leader of Russia. This is a problem not only in Russia, it is a problem throughout the world.
I do not know what percentage of decrees and laws are implemented, I only know that from time to time heads roll, so to speak.
Security Council Secretary Alexander Turchinov at the meeting with General Secretary of the Security Council of Turkey Seyfullahom Hadzhimuftyuoglu in Ankara stated that it is necessary to join efforts to “de-occupation” of the Crimea.
“Ukraine and Turkey have a unique historical opportunity to combine political, diplomatic, military-technical and economic resources for the effective and coordinated response to the destruction of the balance of forces in the Black Sea region” – said Turchinov.
An important step in this direction, according to the Secretary of the NSDC of Ukraine, is demilitarization and deokupatsiya Crimea.
Turkish interlocutor Pan Turchinov was more diplomatic and avoided the open attacks against Russia. Seifullakh Hadzhimuftyuoglu in response said, “Our nations must take the lead in establishing an effective system of regional security … is important for us is to unite the potential of our countries, which, in turn, can provide a very effective synergy.”
Oleksandr Turchynov, more popularly known by the nickname “Bloody pastor.” “Bloody” because it Turchinov, staying in an incredible position of “Acting President of Ukraine”, unleashed a bloody civil war in the country, when he announced the so-called anti-terrorist operation (ATO) in Donbas. A “pastor” because in his spare time reading a sermon at the Baptist church “Word of Life”.
http://www.anna-news.info/node/51416
google translate sadly…………..
The world will never become a better place as long as so many people selectively judge the attrocities commited by the extremists of all possible colours. When „my people“ kill, rape, loot, force human beings into concentration camps, ethnically cleanse others – it is OK, and I will defend and excuse them, cause they are „mine“ – and that means „good“! When others do the same shit, I am horified, I hate them, I wish them „go to hell“, I hope for revenge – they are „bad“ cause they are not „mine“.
I am the same as the „other“. We both believe that „our“ victims are innocent – and „their casualities“ deserved what was coming to them.
A billion Putins cannot change anything in this world (assuming that they really want to) as long as the „herd mentality“ rules the tribes. Any change (in positive direction) is impossible! And we are wittnessing the changes for worse every hour of every day!
@boris
so what do you actually propose boris?
sit back and wait until “the herd mentality” evolves into somethimg else and in the meantime just catalogue the observable changes for the worse?
A little something to remind you of, posted in early June of 2014 by my comrade Juan. This is not everything he wrote that day but encompasses Odessa and after. Please be advised the videos linked are very graphic and are not for women and children.
Shortly after the coup d’etat in Kiev several eastern and southern oblasti (districts) in Ukraine expressed dissatisfaction with the ‘new’ illegal government installed in Kiev. Right Sector operatives immediately began to infiltrate in to those oblasti. Demonstrations turned sometimes violent and people died.
On 02 May there was a football match in Odessa on the south coast of Ukraine. We all know what happened in Odessa with the massacre of the anti Kiev demonstrators, unarmed demonstrators, in and around the Labor Union Building in Odessa as they were beaten, shot and burned to death. What you don’t know is the true number of dead that day and evening. 297 anti Kiev demonstrators AND innocents died that day. Over 50 were in hospital. Some of those who jumped from the entrance hall stairway at the fourth and fifth floor levels were beaten to death as they lay on the ground. Others were made to crawl away, severely injured, and were kicked and beaten as they crawled to the pile of wounded.
To this day not a single western government that I am aware of has expressed the slightest sympathy or condolences for any of the wounded or dead in Odessa. The overriding comments from what little was said about Odessa in The West was the fact that the ‘anti kiev activists and agents’ accidently set the building on fire as they were throwing molotov cocktails at the football fans around the building. Why should they care? After all, the men, women, and yes, two children, who died in the massacre are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen.
In the weeks before and after the massacre in Odessa the situation came to a head in Donetsk Oblast and Lugansk Oblast. Both declared their indendence from Ukraine and set up their own governments. The West screamed bloody murder as they are wont to do with their double standard and blamed everything on Russia and Mr. Putin including the drought in Mexico and the outbreak of teenaged acne in Australia.
The two oblasti set up self defense units as Kiev mobilized their army and formed a large ‘national guard’ unit from Right Sector fighters from Maidan and western and central Ukraine. On 9 May there was a massacre in the city of Mariupol in Donetsk Oblast, now the Donbas Peoples Republic. Over 100 unarmed citizens and Militsiya (police) were shot down, often right on live camera. Yes, many of the citizens were screaming great obscenities at the Right Sector unit that entered the city. The police where slaughtered in their headquarters for being ‘disloyal’ to Kiev Government. Some were burned alive, handcuffed, in the police headquarters as it was burned by the Right Sector unit.
To this day not a single western government that I am aware of has expressed the slightest sympathy or expressed condolences for the murdered men and women in Mariupol. After all, the dead citizens are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen.
In the following days and weeks the Ukraine Army began to bombard villages, towns and cities starting with Slavyansk in Donbas. The first ‘bombardment’ was one single 82mm mortar round. With no reaction from either The West or Russia, the next day a heavy bombardment ocurred. In the days after the first heavy bombardments the toll of wounded, dead, maimed civilians mounted as the artillery was fired at patently civilian areas, we call them ‘living areas’. Over 100 civilians have died in the last two weeks. A like number were wounded.
To this day not a single western government that I am aware of has expressed the slightest sympathy or expressed condolences for the murdered men and women and children in Donbas nor has a single western government asked Kiev to cease the bombardments. After all, the dead citizens are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen.
Yesterday, 03 June 2014, shortly after noon local time there was an attack on the Lugansk City Administration Building in the center of Lugansk by a single Ukrainian Air Force Sukhoi 25 ground attack airplane. He fired a single volley of missiles at the front of the building. Yes, the building is the titular headquarters of Donbas Republic but 95% of the offices and workers in that building are city administration workers, civilians doing their work for the citizens of Lugansk and most of whom have worked there for years. Ukraine well knew that fact and attacked. The impact of the rockets are well documented in many videos extant on the internet as is the aftermath as the area is being policed up and the fire in the one burning office on the fourth floor is extinguished.
The first two attached videos are of the area immediately after the attack. They are graphic to an extreme and are not for those with a weak stomach. The woman in the red blouse with her dying breaths asks “Excuse me please, give me a telephone.” Those words are an exact translation, she did say ‘Excuse me please’ before she requested the phone. The young man in the park whom they start CPR on died. The old man lying face down in the street is dead. The man face up with his head on a tyre died. The four women at the base of the entrance steps, three died instantly and the fourth, the lady with the red blouse, died in moments after her request. The man screaming as he takes the video of the carnage is screaming ‘sookhie’. ‘Sookha’, singular, and ‘sookhie’, plural, is the Russian word for a female dog. Like in English, in Russian it also has the second meaning, as in bitch. Here it’s fighting words.
The west media did mention this senseless slaughter after a fashion. They said in their very few ‘articles’ yesterday refering to this slaughter that the ‘terrorists and rebels of the Donbas Army fired a Manpad that accidently hit the building’. This in spite of dozens of videos showing the missiles impacting in the park in front of the building and walking right up to the base and front facade of the building and the death and destruction in the park and in front of the building. Even the much vaunted BBC told the Manpad story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPlr4lv884 slaughter in Lugansk admin bldg. 02 June
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssqvx6UOvd4 death in the park in front of admin bldg. 02 June
To this moment not a single western government or government official that I know of has expressed either sympathy or condolences for these dead civilians nor have any of them asked Kiev to cease these terror attacks. After all, the dead citizens are Untermenschen. WE are Untermenschen.
I urge you all, each and every one of you, to flood your embassies, your ambassadors, your politicians, your presidents, your prime ministers, every government functionary you can find, with these videos. Perhaps their army of minions will not be able to stop all from getting through to them. Use email, use facebook, use twitter, use whatever you can. Show them WHAT THEY DID. Not that they will care. After all, we are Untermenschen.
But one thing they should understand. We, the Untermenschen, will fight them. Ukraine died in Odessa on 02 May 2014. Any chance of negotiations about Donbas died on 09 May 2014 in Mariupol. After Lugansk yesterday it will be a fight to the death. We will win. We Untermenschen will defeat you. We have no choice. We will fight you to our last breath and die fighting before we kneel in subservience to a single one of you.
For you politicians behind the coup d’etat in Kiev and the war against the citizens of Ukraine, you disgust me. I have only this to say to Merkel, Torchinov, Poroshenko, Holland, Cameron. Swift Boat John, Nuland and Obama, whoever the ‘president’ of poland is, each and every one of you, your minions and hangers on, the west politicians, ALL of you. Damn your eyes, damn your souls, damn you to Hell, back to where you came from. You are beneath contempt.
We have not forgotten…
But if you noticed, this is western freedom and democracy and you find it the world over..
russians always come back, not just for their money.
personally, i have no doubt whatsoever that russians would NOT forget – i do not count the 5th column, every nation has the scum in their midst. russia knows all to well the fine endevour from 70 years ago is not complete and would see to it this time around..the rest: merkels and camerons of the world do not matter. they simply don’t. they are obedient servants and will switch masters as soon as the situation arises.
in my mind, this is why russian leadership is taking a long term approach and do not succumb to overwhelming emotions which would be understandable but not as helpful.
mmiriww: If this is ‘western freedom and democracy’, you are welcome to it, I want no parts of it. We are more free here than anywhere in EU, US, Canada or Australia.
ib: I agree on the approach of the leadership in Moskau. I’ve watched for some years now and emotion has nothing to do with the President’s decisions or actions. He has a course of action and he will stay with that course, that is patently obvious to anyone who watches and listens not only to him but the entire government structure he has gathered. 5th Column, the day for them will come. The problem is they are like Hydra, cut off one head and two more grow.
There have been times when this household has been seething with anger and rage and would have liked nothing better than to be given the permission to attack and set things right. We’ve lost a few friends in Novorossiya and one good friend in Odessa who was in no way involved in the demonstrations. We understand completely the foolishness of letting emotion rule actions and after we vent our anger, in private, we calm down and continue with what we have, and want, to do.
Auslander
Author, Never The Last One
I personally believe we can individually and collectively hold the guilty parties and participants to account when we pass over, in the realms of heavenly justice, there is no escape from that if we but remember, and we will.
JJ
it will have to be sooner JJ, it will have to be in our life times.. and it shall.
Auslander,
You will win. Now that evil AngloZionist forces and stooges are trying to destroy Russian civilisation, none of the right-minded peoples have a doubt about victory of humanity over evil.
History is the biggest proof – no other country / power could ever defeat Russian spirit permanently.
I have a hard time with forgeting something like this Odessa massacre .For one my family on my mothers side is from there.It still haunts me that people who I considered brothers could do such a heinous act out of hate.I can’t help but wonder what kind of future ukraine has with kids who hate so much.They have no future.And the other thing is they will marry and have kids who will also hate Russians the same way.And one part of me wants revenge in the worst way.It is hard to contain my feelings towards those animals.
please don’t insult the animals
Some might wonder why no one in the West (in power) was upset over the massacres in Donbass. But the answer is that, they don’t really care about killing to get their policies across. An example of the hypocrisy of “pretending” to be upset about the claims that Russia killed Litvinenko is shown with this article on RT. It recounts several murders of prisoners at Guantanamo,committed by the US CIA:
‘They caused problems’: CIA involved with Gitmo inmates’ suicides – former guard to RT’
https://www.rt.com/usa/329882-guantanamo-prisoners-suicide-cia/
This video is great to see -Lavrov visibly snubbing Nuland:
Lavrov Warmly Greets Kerry in Zurich, Snubs Blood-Soaked Witch Nuland (Video)
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/lavrov-warmly-greets-kerry-zurich-snubs-blood-soaked-witch-nuland-video/ri12381
There’s a documentary to be aired on french TV channel CANAL+ tonight at 10:35 Pm paris time entitles:”Ukraines: les masques de la revolution” (Ukraine: The masks of revolution)
You can see teasers on the CANAL+ channel or on youtube.
Ukies are goind all nuclear with this (as it is spoiling the already to be awarded “WINTER of FIRE” documentary). French media, journals unleashing heated posts on CANAL+ (Kremilin propaganda outlet ect)
Ukie embassy in Paris pressuring the CSA (french censorship body for TV & radio) to ban it from air.
And i mean a lot of pressure.
Don”t know if they’ll reach their goal but it’ smaking lot of noise down here and on FB
https://www.rt.com/news/330836-ukraine-france-maidan-documentary/
I was several times a day watching rt.com since February 14th, 2014 to the present May 14, 2016 and this is the first I understood prepartions for the Odessa massacre were begun prior to it by Ukrainians, The article here not once mentioning the CIA, Backwater sniper troops of Maidan, seen in the Maidan videos, only seen in the “corpse cleanup” videos of after the Odessa massacres as they went through the building making sure all were dead and all faces burned off. Actual dead in Odessa rising to almost 150. Iran bars used to crush sculls not yet crushed.
Giving the impression that the two US groups, there in both cities to make sure blood bath civil wars flared in each place, were key to effectuate the planning done in the US maybe years earlier. I was not then aware to what a level US State Department operatives from the almost 1,000 US Homeland Security services had been preparing the whole country to be US stolen …. goosing so to speak the Ukrainian Nazi groups to make the up-rising seem purely native.
Yet this article does not mention one US CIA or one US Blackwater black clad, fit, young, soldier!
There were 40 of each in Maidan.