The original version of this post was published on the Oceania Saker Blog who spearheaded the effort to translate this most important document proving, if needed, that one can be down under and yet at the very top at the same time!
The Saker
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Malaysian Flight MH17 crash analysis, by The Russian Union of Engineers
This is an excellent detailed analysis of the MH17 tragedy by the Russian Union of Engineers which quite frankly illustrates how heavily censored the Dutch “report” is.
We will let you digest this report and come to your own conclusion, which in all likelihood will explain the infamous high velocity projectiles whitewash pumped out by the western “press”.
This review was undertaken by experts who not only know the subject matter but have objectively presented evidence that must be considered with the legitimacy that is inherent to it. Here is the overall description of the “Analytical Group” from the report:
A group of experts from the Russian Union of engineers was convened to analyze the situation, including reserve officers with experience in the use of anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as pilots having experience with aircraft weapons.This problem was also discussed at a meeting of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, where many variants were tested and discussed again. In the course of their analysis the experts used materials derived from public sources, found in the media. The situation was also analyzed using a computer simulation of the Su-25.
You can download the English version of the report here.
The original Russian version of the report is here.
[note: the links above point to documents in the proprietary M$ DOCX format. For those who, like myself might prefer the free ODT or PDF format, I have made them available here. The Saker]
Official statement by the Russian Union of Engineers:
(please press on the ‘cc’ button to see the English subtitles)
Special mention, thanks and much gratitude goes to Alice, Gideon & Katya for their wonderful effort at such short notice.
Disclaimer:
We have translated the text to the best of our abilities and where unsure have included the original Russian. Additionally, the original Russian report is available for download for your reference. Please distribute freely with acknowledgement.
AE
There’s now a 30 Million USD reward out
for details and evidence who has done it:
http://www.wifka.de/who-shot-down-mh17-30-million-dollars-reward-for-information.html
Thank you Oceania, and Saker, for providing us with REAL content instead of USSA captive mainstream media propaganda.
NATO is desperately trying to cover up its false flag operation. They are fabricating lies just like about Lockerbie and Itavia Flight 870.
http://i-p-o.org/nr-lockerbie-14Oct05.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerolinee_Itavia_Flight_870
The sanctions keep piling on. In fact, it’s gotten much worse since Minsk.
And what is Russia doing? Oh yeah, that’s right, they may challenge those sanctions before international courts.
Seriously? Is that all they got? Who controls all those international institutions?
I want Russia to prevail here, but I really don’t see it happening. Unless I’m missing something? If I am please demonstrate it to me.
I see a much weakened Russia and Putin and I fear he will be destabilized at home.
Another thing, could you please explain to me why Russia’s BRICS partners are not showing more support on the international scene?
At this point it’s basically Russia alone against the anglozionist empire…
I am certain that Mr. Putin knows what is going on, and what would happen (now that a few months have gone by). Sanctions may be no good as long as China, India, large parts of South America and other regions and countries are willing to use Russia as a partner to destabilize the West. That is a simple output of my thesis. Putin has learned from history, without going into detail here.
This is what I’m talking about… They just take it and nothing else…
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/750120
@Anon 13:36,
Obama and much of the Western elite are crazy, but on their own, they are destroying coalitions and weakening their domestic support.
David Cameron, the liberator of Libya and strongman against super-Hitler, Putin (sarcasm intended), has a major region of energy production voting to leave a country led by him.
On Friday, the U.S.’s chief puppet and main link to the West will be thrown into chaos or be on life support. Older people are voting “no,” and they tend to die first. Cameron and new Labour won’t do anything except to continue their slavish devotion to the wealthy of London.
The Chinese don’t gain anything by publicly attacking the West because they risk re-energizing the maniacs. The West is tearing itself apart.
page one of PDF ,then 17 grey screens.Anyone else having probs with it?
Re Russia much weakened by sanctions:
Relax, Russia is the largest country in the world by far,self sufficient in resources and agriculture. Moreover, with China as a strong partner, plus other nations, the sanctions will hurt but make Russia stronger in the long run by inoculating herself against further USSA/EU aggression. Russia will be able to borrow money from China, who can sell some of their 3 trillion dollars in USD and earn better returns.
@Anon, 13:48
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” ― Napoleon
Russia does not need answer with sanctions, because the West is doing a fine job shooting itself in the foot, with double barrel.
And now this:
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140918/193051833/European-Parliament-Calls-For-Cancellation-of-South-Stream.html
Wouldn’t Novorossiya from Kharkov to Odessa make an ideal alternative pipeline route since The Europoodles just flushedSouth Stream
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140918/193051833/European-Parliament-Calls-For-Cancellation-of-South-Stream.html
Effing Bulgarians!
Saker,
I can tell you at my job, there were people blaming the Russians (one moron even called them “Soviets!” LOL) before the dust even settled. The dutiful parrots of CNN, FOX News, and the rest of the “media organizations” which are themselves dutiful bullhorns of the Administration in charge.
I knew all along it was the Ukies and this report is vindication.
Hope to see some reduction in the number of Anonymous and negative naysayers who are too scared to apply a name or handle to their comments when your new format is up.
-Farflungstar
From Zio Occupied AmeriKa
The Emergence of the US Petro-dollar
There is quite a bit of analysis involving industry, gas and oil prices and how the US is now the most competitive country in the world and is trying to attract back industries it has lost. In that regard the EU would become highly uncompetitive since the US has cost of under $4 for gas and the EU pays Russia $11. The US thinks it can supply gas to the EU for $10 but in any case the US can manufacture things cheaper than any other nation as long as it can get cheap labor since energy costs half as much in the US as the EU and a third as much as it costs China.
http://sirchartsalot.com/article.php?id=194
On the other hand, more than 62% of the foreign exchange reserves are in US$ and China and Japan hold almost half of that and it is still increasing. There is nothing else in the foreseeable future that can act as a reserve currency. Hence the US will be able to keep financing the warfare state.
Why the Dollar May Remain Strong For Longer Than We Think
Trading currencies are examples of the transactional nature of money: money enables transactions.
A reserve currency, on the other hand, is an example of money as a store of value: nations hold reserve currencies as stores of value that can be sold to support their own currency if the need arises.
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogsept14/USD9-14.html
Hmmmm says it all.. There are structural imbalances but the world is still using the US as the backbone of its financial system and as long as it keeps that, the US will stay the hegemon.
This one is quite simple actually. The US Dollar will remain the world reserve currency for as long as the US consistently runs trade deficits with the rest of the world and the rest of the world is willing to sell its output to Americans. Unless foreign exporters can develop other destinations for their products then dollars are what they will acumulate because that’s what Americans have to spend. Can anyone here think of a single major exporting nation that’s will to reverse course and run trade deficits with the rest of the world? I can’t either. The nation that does so will command the new reserve currency.
Furthermore, “dumping dollars” as a strategy to undermine the dollar’s reserve status ignores the fact that it takes two to tango. Sellers must find willing buyers for those dollars who are willing (along with the sellers) to undermine the value of this currency and thus the ability of Americans to purchase their output.
None of this should be received as advocation of America’s actions in the world just a banal observation of present reality. The dollar isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon.
Not very proud of the Dutch at the moment…weasels come to mind.
Dutch report let the cat out of the bag. Both flight recorders stoppped without any distress signals of any kind. Only very lucky cannon fire could do this. Not a SAM. Most likely a bomb on board that blew off the whole cockpit. More evidence could have been added on the ground to obscure the bomb evidence. An Israeli firm did security at Schipol, where the plane took off.
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/98636.html
Mass media has been losing customers for the last 2 decades. Ever since people started figuring out all they spew out are lies and since 2006 ruling that news does not need to contain anything of relevance since it is entertainment. Then why does media execs wonder why they are losing money?
What did surprise me was how sheepish democrats are while Republicans seems to accept that its a propaganda machine. Still 40% on average trust mass media. If most people think its all fake….. Well when we talk in restaurants we whisper because we get “looks” from people when we say something that is not PC..
Trust in Mass Media Returns to All-Time Low
Trust among Democrats, who have traditionally expressed much higher levels of confidence in the media than Republicans have, dropped to a 14-year low of 54% in 2014. Republicans’ trust in the media is at 27%, one percentage point above their all-time low, while independents held steady at 38% — up one point from 37% in 2013.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/176042/trust-mass-media-returns-time-low.aspx
1. I am not happy w/ Russia bc of the gay issue.
2. It is obvious that the West in lying about MH17
3. It is also obvious that the West continues to attack Russia.
4. The EU parliament asked for banning RU from SWIFT. If this is going to happen: major, major escalation.
5. Let us see what the Scots will say today. If Yes wins: EU will go into complete madness.
It is my firm believe that RU waits for the Scotish vote and will then react.
Listen to the reaction of the most slimy president what I have ever listen in my life on the MH17 at the Canadian parliament
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/Power+%26+Politics/ID/2521718077/
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/Power+%26+Politics/ID/2521806867/
it is worth to listen to see how the politician are lying
Sorry for the OT:
Shanghai gold trading platform given surprise launch date
http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2014/09/16/shanghai-gold-trading-platform-given-surprise-laun
Are we talking about a joint China-Russia response to the latest UN sanctions? Is this a beginning of the END?
Thanks for posting this!
I am afraid though that the truth is even much worse than what this analysis suggests. Suppose it’s true that it was a Ukranian plane, then I still think that doesn’t mean it was only the Ukraine involved. I think there are bigger interests and forces here, working with or even using Ukraine.
There’s a bit of a muddle with the times in both the Russian original and the English translation. The labels UTC, GMT and MCK sometimes seem to be used in the wrong places, which distorts the chronology of the disaster. But otherwise this is as decent and thorough an analysis as is possible at the current state of information. Peter Haisenko, a former Lufthansa pilot, came to the same conclusions over a month ago (ger/eng) by studying the circumstantial and photographic evidence that’s available on the Internet. But the Russian Union of Engineers’ analysis carries a lot more weight and a corrected version of the document should be circulated as widely as possible to counter the outrageous fabrications western governments and msm have been feeding to the public. Not that it makes much difference … as things look at the moment, there are 190+ families in Holland who are genuinely mourning their dead and who want to know who is responsible for the downing of MH017, and on the other side there are millions of raging hypocrites who can only be truly mournful if they can blame Russia for the catastrophe. The Poles have been behaving the same way with regards to Katyn for decades. Such is the power of propaganda, psy-ops, the falsification of history …
evidence does nto count in this world -who so ever cqan wield bigger stick counts. russia may have stick but is too coward or stupid to wield it.
russia is too stupid to even belive that russia wants to survive.
anglosaxons have been staunch enemy of russia and russia has been cultivating them for years despite all adverse acts doen by the naglos.
putin is a real loser so is lavrov the foreign minster.
65 properties of Kolomoisky have been nationalised in Crimea, says Natalya Poklonskaya. Among them, numerous hotels, resorts, children’s summer camps, residential buildings, 16 gas stations, former Privat bank offices and LNG terminal in Kerch. Crimean customers lost much of their savings at Kolomoisky Private Bank.
Yatsenyuk: “The war in the East costs 80 million UAH a day (over $6 million at 13), not including uncollected taxes. Since mines are bombed, we have to buy coal from Africa at 20% premium”
And who was saying, Donbass is a depressed subsidized region? Now they miss the taxes.
http://dnr-news.com/dnr/3814-voyna-ezhednevno-obhoditsya-ukraine-v-80-mln-griven-yacenyuk.html
The Azov volunteer nazi punitive battalion has been formally absorbed into official Ukie army today.
European Parliament calls on EU to cut Russia off SWIFT bank message system.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/750166
I also can’t them open. Anyone have a tip?
Mark
There is a good report on the Global Research Centre site:
MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317
It has also been stated by a Romanian expert that a Mig 29 could possibly come across similar to a SU 25.
I guess Girkin must have been in his MIG when he took credit for shooting down MH17.
This Russian Union of Putin Engineers’ report is what we call the stuff that comes out of the backend of a bull.
Nicely done translation work. I thought I saw something about a meeting to be held at the UN on MH17 on friday a day or two go, but have not been able to find anything about this right now. I’ll keep looking.
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In unrelated news, though Scotland voting yes for independence would probably affect European perceptions of Novorussian independence in a positive manner.
Russian Observers Suspect ‘Special’ Voting Technologies in Scotland
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140918/193061475/Russian-Observers-Suspect-Special-Voting-Technologies-in.html
“Russian observers have suspicions over the “special” voting technologies used during the Scottish independence referendum and expect the announcement of results that will either confirm or disprove their suspicions….”
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Sorry Saker, but this is very poor material. I have no doubts that the plane was shot down by Buk. It’s warhead is full of steel balls and it exploded close and above the cockpit. I don’t understand these attempts to modify the reality. Especialy when they talk about 2-3 km distance, can you imagine the dispersion of the canon? OMG, people, think! But I don’t say that the Buk was fired by Russians or separatists.
For those putting Russia and President Putin down. We have no idea what the bigger picture is. Personally, what they have held off and done so far is pretty impressive. Especially when you think Russia is having everything and more thrown at it. How many other nations would be able to handle it all. For Novorussia, obviously they have their needs and agenda, but also Russia is not Novorussia and also has to think of its territory and people first.
As we await the closing of the polls, the exit polls, the vote counts and the final results, this version of Roy Williamson’s song Flower of Scotland, the all-but national anthem, is quiet, reflective, and has the lyrics written in blue so anyone who doesn’t know them can sing right along:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7YhtLXry60
It’s also beautiful, stirring and a nice way to pray for success!
YES!
I read this using google translate previously — it’s a good report. The docx file should really be saved as the older .doc type, which is readable by a lot more programs than the docx type.
To Anonymous at 13:36
The calm waters are washing away the shores, slowly and diligently…
Very old European proverb.
Don’t worry be happy everything is going to be OK for the all world, just be patient
The ZPC/NWO up to their usual deceit:
«Закон не дороже бумаги» (“The law is not more expensive than paper”)
http://www.vz.ru/world/2014/9/18/706242.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/world/2014/9/18/706242.html
“…Now, according to the MP, on the website we posted the document, “in which there is a significant difference from the presidential project”: “namely not the Verkhovna Rada (as was written in the project), and Lieutenant-General of the security service of Ukraine Vasyl Hrytsak, the head of the Counterterrorist center at SBU, alone will determine what Donbas will receive a “special status,” explained Gritsenko.
“A new scandal?” – rhetorically asked the Deputy. He believes that the President has no right to close this forgery” eyes and pretend that everything is in order. “The President has no right, morally at least, to sign such a Woe-law! The President should initiate instant investigation and prosecution. Will this President Poroshenko? I do not know. After September 16, already nothing will be surprised…” – concluded Gritsenko.
In turn, the Secretariat of the Verkhovna Rada rejected the accusations Gritsenko: “That was passed by the deputies, and then put up on the website of the Parliament”, – stated in the message. But, really, in the first version of the bill, which on Tuesday correspondents newspaper OPINION managed to download from the website of the Verkhovna Rada was prescribed: special order is determined by the decisions of the Verkhovna Rada. Now in the text of the law on the same site appeared amendment: special order of government is defined not by the Parliament, and the “decisions of the head of the Antiterrorist center of the security service of Ukraine”. It can be assumed that the operators are Pleased could go on such a serious forgery only by order of the presidential administration…”
In other words, they changed the law after it was voted on so what was voted on is substantially different.
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after a devastating analysis like this, which simply also confirms the german pilot a few weeeks ago, I d like to know Obama´s and the DOD s opinion…
Yeah, because that one from Pornoschenko is worth a horse shit.
right sektor violence in kiev again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kz1-rUvmEoA
This is a follow-up to a story I posted a day or two ago. The prosecution of Yevtushenkov appears to be the vanguard of an oligarch shake-up in Russia. This is a pretty good article describing the whats and whys.
Устаревшая система (Outdated system)
http://www.vz.ru/politics/2014/9/17/706177.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/politics/2014/9/17/706177.html
“…But the clash with the West over Ukraine has set Russia very clear questions. What comes first – the private interest or public? Although for our people here, there is no question, oligarchs annoying myself this question. If Russia wants not just to stand against the pressure of the West, but also to develop, formulate their own model of the socio-economic structure, we need to restore order at home. The order, including with the state Treasury and the national income should be stopped to steal a budget, to hide income, manipulate with taxes. In our public opinion deliberately (and in the interests of oligarchate) supported the myth that blame some “corrupt officials”, although in reality the theft involved a bunch of big business and the corrupt part of the bureaucracy.
The business has not heeded calls for Putin to resign from offshore, sounding even before the economic war with the West – as well as the authority may rely on his patriotism now, when the voltage and the rate went up dramatically? But even if big business will return to Russian jurisdiction, whether it is fair to pay taxes or all will continue their “minimization”, groaning and moaning about the imperfection of the laws and chekist dominance?…”
And as discussed in the above article, besides “oligarch reform”, major work on the Russian economy will also be done.
Путин потребовал совершить рывок в экономике за полтора года (Putin demanded to make a breakthrough in the economy within a year and a half)
http://www.interfax.ru/business/397436 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.interfax.ru/business/397436
“…A key condition of its development, the President called for lower interest rates on loans to enterprises. “What steps I think priority: first, you need to ensure availability of loans to create new competitive by world standards conditions for business financing. We remember and know that this theme is key even without any reference to the sanctions. We have long talked about this: interest rates on loans often exceed the profitability of the projects, put the participants of economic activity beyond the economic common sense,” said the head of state…”
Oligarchs and banksters may not be very happy about these changes coming… ;) Not seen mention of this in the western msm. It will be instructive on how the ZPC/NWO respond.
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Justin Kenrick at Bella Caledonia puts the real worth of today’s referendum in perspective, and not for Scots alone, for everyone, everywhere:
“Power does not lie in corporations, celebrities, economists or politicians. The power lies with us, whichever way we choose.
And it is worse than that for those who are in power (in power for as long as we don’t realise we are the ones who day after day give them our power).
Whatever way the vote goes, if we choose then we’ve won.
There may be bad depression on the losing side; there may be a tumult of triumphalism on the winning side.
But having tasted this process once, we will know full well that all it takes is acting on our power, and that acting on our power inevitably brings a torrent of twisted denial and deception by those wedded to controlling us. Whichever parliament we decide is sovereign, the people will have decided. So hereon in it is the people, not whichever parliament, that is sovereign.
Do we have a greater chance of shaping the world we need if sovereignty is at Westminster or Holyrood?
Which do we trust we can better hold to account?
Which can we more easily change when we lose trust in them?
Voting which way is a greater expression of trust in ourselves?
The question is not really about them; it’s about us.”
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/06/21/the-19th-september/
This is truly a beautiful piece.
YES!
Can someone please explain to me why it is necessary for the country holding the global reserve currency to run a trade deficit?
I keep trying to get my mind around this and I’ve got to say, I can parrot the words just fine but can’t really get at the underlying necessity.
Can it be explained simply?
For a currency to have reserve status then there needs to be a way for foreign governments to obtain it in massive quanities. By running a trade deficit you ensure that foreign central banks will obtain your currency that floods back to them in exchange for exports. These central banks will lock themselves in further when they purchase bonds with this currency from the issuing nation in search of higher returns.
I trust Russian engineers over creative writers in media. OMG, somebody killed it cold blood !
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“Another thing, could you please explain to me why Russia’s BRICS partners are not showing more support on the international scene?”
Russia shouldn’t rely on BRICS too much, Russia is a powerful nation.
Putin has to win a couple of things for Russians during the sanction.
For example some good (1) food brands (2) Automobile brands. (3) Media – RT or something.
Nupura
The german aviation expert/pilot made some remarks on the “official” report released by yhe Dutch and marvelled at how there could be “14 minutes of silence…absolute silence” on the FDR prior to the termination. He stated that there is NEVER 14 minutes of silence in a cockpit…that communications between other aircraft and ATC come over the speaker, and there were two other commercial airliners in the immediate area.
http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/
Nard
My bad…here is the correct link to the refutation:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/camouflage-and-coverup-the-dutch-commission-report-on-the-malaysian-mh17-crash-is-not-worth-the-paper-its-written-on/5400990
nard
I have made a summary here:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/reconstruction-mh17-crash-by-russian-union-of-engineers/
Kind regards,
Dutch
How can we “force” western media to publish this? May be telling them they could get the reward?
The report confirms the initial impression based on the evidence at hand. Yet there’re still some fools who insist on a Buk despite the lack of the required visual evidence to confirm its use. Clinton lobbed cruise missiles at Sudan based on no evidence. Given that precedent, Putin would be totally justified to take out the Poroshenko regime based upon the evidence presented.
“Can someone please explain to me why it is necessary for the country holding the global reserve currency to run a trade deficit? “
because all other nations have to “buy” dollars with goods.
countries that want to hold dollars in reserve need to “buy” them. if the whole world wants to buy dollars, and the us does not want to hold equal amounts of other currencies as reserves (which would be pointless), they have to trade those dollars with goods.
the consequence is a massive trade deficit.
only if other countries stop accumulationg reserves in dollars, the trade deficit becomes a problem.
thats how the empire extracts its main tribute from the world.
For clarity, other nations obtain dollars by selling their goods to Americans. There is no “buying” of dollars involved here just an exchange of goods for dollars. These acumulated dollars in foreign central banks cannot earn a return so they are cycled back to the US in exchange for US Treasury Securites which earn interest…paid in dollars of course.
So Russia just passed a law to ban jews from controlling their media and they just arrested a jewish oligarch?
Is a cleanup of the 5th column started?
Pg. 14 of the report, entry holes 30mm gun?, it can’t be! Just one… maybe, if you insist (though unlikely).
777 speed = 250m/s
cannon rpm = 1500 i.e. 25 r/s
shooting normally (perpendicularly) at 777 => rounds spaced every 10m (one round every ten meters).
Trivial trigonometry + (speed) vector decomposition shows you that shooting at angles laterally still implies round spacing not compatible with the observation.
Laser can’t change nothing at it. (Consider also that operational range cannon < 1km when decomposing speed vectors, and dt till colliding with 777; plus the turbulences a beast such the 777 flying at 250m/s leaves when approaching it.)
Example: shooting at an angle of 45 degrees while flying at 900km/h towards the 777 would still get a spacing of 3m along the axis of the 777. And you would collide in less than five seconds if you had started firing at 800m apart (relatively to the 777 axis).
Now, a little bit on aircraft cannons: those are there for combat situations in which the distance is too short to fire/engage missiles => synchronous AAMs firing + cannon = nonsense.
Aircraft cannons bursts are in the order of the unities: 1, 2, 3 typically, or else bursts risk to damage the barrels because of overheating.
Plus other things I am forgetting now. (To be continued.)
Excerpts from the analysis of the MH17 crash by The Russian Union of Engineers are now to be seen at
Russian Report on MH17 Shootdown
along with download links for the original Russian Report and the English translation.
Links to that page are welcome.
At last, in response to the Dutch cover-up and the stonewalling by the Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia, Russia has released a report containing facts and reasoning which lead inescapably to the conclusion that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet, and that the party responsible for the deaths of 298 people was not the Donbass separatists but rather the Ukrainian junta.
Of course, this report will almost certainly be ignored by the Western MSM, but, as the Saker requested:
1) share this latest report with as many friends, contacts or acquaintances
as possible
2) share this report with as many officials (from the local to the state
level) as possible
3) share this report with as many political and religious leader as possible
4) share this report with as many journalists and reporters as possible
5) share this report with as many political activists as possible
which is easily done by linking from your website or blog to
http://www.serendipity.li/the_saker/Russian_report_on_MH17_shootdown.htm
After WW2 the world needed credit to rebuild and the US gave it. The US$ at the time was backed by gold until France figured out the game and the US removed the gold backing. So now the US gives US$ for good from other countries. This can be used to buy stuff from a 3rd country. So its a giant ponzi scheme. The US gets free money as long as the 2nd party and 3rd party agree to trade goods for US$. There is very nasty little gimmick here where most all politicians will be found hanging from lamp posts if the common people knew it.
Since Gold-US$->any currency defines what something costs. And you take out Gold from that equation it becomes US$-> any currency.. If country 2 can sell shows for $10 and country 3 can sell those shows for $20, well how many shoes will country 3 sell? So what country 3 does is buy US$ and issue their own currency, basically devaluing its own currency so things would cost a lot more to its population but making it so that those $20 shoes now become $10 shoes since they pay wages in the local currency which is worth half as much. People start blaming the US for the problem since now a burrito costs twice as much but they still get paid the same. Its called inflation.. The US exports inflation to the rest of the world so basically taxing the entire world into poverty..
Basically you have 2 problems here, one is dis-honest politicians who dont care about their own population and you also need to hold US$ to buy things like oil. Hence why even Putin is not rocking the boat. China is actually propping up the empire directly. China already found out that the trillions of US$ it holds are worthless. They can not buy anything thats of value from the US. They can redeem those notes for fiat US$ bills which are worth 1/1000th face value.. BUT 3rd countries still value them at face value.. Thats what is so amazing… The US itself says those are worthless but the rest of the world says they are worth everything.
Continued:
Article… contrails: what is mentioned on those is too simplistic. Notice BTW that the propellant of a Buk missile is burned in 15s, and that perhaps (depending on the weather conditions/contrails are NOT obligatory everywhere) you may be able to follow its flight for a couple of km–provided you knew
where to look. Let’s recall that the Buk missile trajectory would have been in the order of 30+ km; that the missile’s max speed is 3 Mach (nearly 3,700 km/h = 4x speed MH17), when it objectively was impossible already (even with no clouds) to detect a 777 flying at 10km of altitude at 900km/h with the naked eye unless the 777 was itself generating contrails–which it may well, or not, it depends, have been the case [study a bit the topic on the contrails]. (Moreover, the 777 engines are VERY efficient, and if I am recalling correctly, among those susceptible the least to produce contrails.) So or so, the missile would have been proceeding inertially at that point quite likely anyway.
Further: huge optimism on the capabilities to discern the noise of the missile as f( distance) as well!, especially if there where clouds; remember that the propellant is over in 15s. (And also don’t forget that noise in the air travel with a limited speed.)
In this sense, I wonder if a Su–25/whatever might have been dispatched there as distraction and to mask the noise of the missile (launch inclusive).
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And FYI, I share the same opinion as in: Aug 06, Detailed expert analysis of the MH17 downing.
Yatsenyuk: “The war in the East costs 80 million UAH a day (over $6 million at 13), not including uncollected taxes. Since mines are bombed, we have to buy coal from Africa at 20% premium”
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How much of that 80 million goes into oligarch pockets? We defenders of NAF should be glad that the kleptocracy has had devastating effect on the Uki military
Nora re trade deficits, this is known as the Triffin Paradox.
From wiki:
the country whose currency, being the global reserve currency, foreign nations wish to hold, must be willing to supply the world with an extra supply of its currency to fulfill world demand for these foreign exchange reserves, and thus cause a trade deficit. End.
Alien Tech, Coldtype,
Ok, I *think* I’ve got it. Dollars = goods but it’s power/tribute that’s the real deal. So it’s not necessarily the petrodollar per se, it’s the potential of the BRICS pulling the rug out from under us by making *any* dollars unnecessary, and we’ve got nothing else.
Well, except blowing the place up.
But the real issue for us is the Ponzi scheme gets exposed and it’s not just external power over everyone else that we’ve lost, it’s our ability to survive here as anything other than a Third World country.
And all the carping on debt and deficit just funnels more money upwards here so the 1% can continue to grab whatever else they can? Bc there’s no structural way to get rid of the deficit and maintain our (choke) lovely hegemony.
So what options are there for bringing us down safely (first for everyone else we’ve harmed but also for us, if possible)?
Looking ten years out it is obvious that Russia will be a giant Eurasian ATM for both China and Europe.
Even if the cabal could rid itself of Russia’s current leadership it wouldn’t make a difference. We’re past that point already. Russia will be rich rich rich and nothing except a full-on global war can prevent this eventuality. Lately it seems the West is discovering this fact.
I’m not sure the Empire can withstand another propaganda effort over MH17 of the likes we’ve seen recently. Public credulity is much too strained, While the media is brimming with fake nonsense about Russia and Putin the online world is almost exactly the opposite. No one buys anything said by Western political leaders anymore unless they have a direct interest in supporting them. Sooner or later cracks will begin to appear between what is said in the media and what people think and say when they’re thinking for themselves. Western civilization might look good on the surface to many but there’s a schizophrenic reality that underlies everything and a true crisis will surely force the disease into the open.
If MH17 is agressively blamed on Russia, it is a sign the secret negotiations with Russia have broken down and Zion is completely out of good options.
@Evtushenkov
The instant comparison with Khodorkovsky is the sign that the fall from grace of E. is a warning shot addressed to the oligarchs to make them think twice before playing the 5th column.
In the mean time it looks that something big is cooking:
“In a surprise move that will infuriate families of victims, Russia has demanded a special meeting of the United Nations Security Council tomorrow to discuss MH17 and Ukraine….Russia has flagged using the Security Council meeting on MH17 to argue that Ukraine has not fulfilled resolution 2166, drafted and sponsored by Australia and passed unanimously on July 21, four days after the crash”.
That this rang alarm bells is shown by the mind boggling declaration of Julie Bishop that this is a Russian attempt to hinder the investigation!!:
“Ms Bishop, who leaves for New York today, told _The West Australian _ she would fight hard to defeat any attempt by Moscow to hinder the Dutch-led probe into the MH17 crash”.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25034582/russia-threat-to-foil-mh17-inquiry/
@ Anon,
Q: Unless I’m missing something? If I am please demonstrate it to me.
R: A wolf will let a deer run, even as fast as it can, for the wolf itself has little speed, but it can, and always will rely on its endless stock of stamina and in the end, bring down the deer.
Awesome translation job. Very grateful to the teams and Saker.
One more good reason to donate and support a news information source like Saker’s Vineyard.
We get the facts without the BS.
Thanks, Saker, for this effort.
To place a couple of cannon rounds here and there along the entire 777 beast is one thing; to place a series of rounds on a very limited region exclusively is a DIFFERENT problem.
Requirement for the latter latter case?, the attacking aircraft flying a MILLIMETER PRECISE, perfectly SYNCHRONIZED, couple of seconds (1-2-3) lasting, high speed parabola (as a real time, complex function of many unknown variables) with the cannon firing burst of rounds. (Check centripetal acceleration formula pro memoria as well.)
Everything of the above done with the Ukrainian jet fighters pilots which do not belong to the most skilled, and using aircraft which are generally in bad shape and obsolete.
Dulcis in fundo, the given mission impossible would also have been recorded by the CVR (777) at the least.
Worse than that.
Nora re $, Firstly thanks for your valuable contributions herein, you certainly are an asset. These $ matters sometimes seem confusing but I suspect you have better insights than many. Point by point, if the BRICS exclude US$ from their various bi and multilateral trades demand for $ and its’ value should be decremented to some extent. This may not be a linear function, there may be a tipping point before demand is appreciably diminished. If the $ would lose all value, the productive assets of the US would mostly remain viable, the factories, mines, utilities, farms, labor and industry of the people. However, this was also the case during the great depression where people were starving in the midst of plenty. Sadly you are correct in saying we could blow the place up.
Regarding the debt, this is the big problem due to compounding interest. There are many ways to eliminate debt. A pretty good one was probably the Jubilee wherein all was simply canceled. Or the debt can be defaulted and the debt is then paid by the creditor rather than the borrower, more or less a transfer of the debt. A favorite trick of governments has historically been to cancel the value of the debt by canceling the value of the currency it is denominated in. This is known as inflating the debt away, and is currently in progress and will continue at increasing rates in the future. Of all the options this may be the least bad. When the debt is eliminated we pick a new currency, rinse and repeat. JMHO, but hope it helps clarify. Yes, there are better ways to run a world.
@I am not happy w/ Russia bc of the gay issue.
Bugger!
In short – Putin needs to stand before the UN next week and speak the truth on the following matters:
MH17
Maidan Snipers
ISIS Beheadings (Of 3 Westerners)
He also needs the Chinese to back him up.
He also needs to refuse any UN resolutions against the wishes of Syria/ Iran etc. I’m sure he can manage that last part – but does he realise the need to actually forcefully state a case to the international community and expose what is really going on in Syria/Ukraine?
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140918/193051833/European-Parliament-Calls-For-Cancellation-of-South-Stream.html
Where are the Bulgarians, Hungarians, Slovaks, Greeks, Italians, Slovenes, Croats, Czechs & Austrians on this one?
Surely the BS in Ukraine has proven to these guys the absolute need for South Stream?
No other countries in the EU should really be deciding on South Stream.
I concur with Anon @ 18 September, 2014 18:59 that 30 mike mike cannon fire from a Su-25 is a red herring. Yes it’s theoretically possible but far less than a Su-25 shooting an air to air missile, including a radar guided one. The key assumptions of the Interpreter Mag and all the other mainstream media that dismiss the Su-25 shootdown theory is that
1) no Su-25 can reach a B777 at altitude or even get within a 2-3 km intercept distance for an easy missile kill shot (wrong, Su-25 latest upgraded version can easily reach that altitude though not maintain pace with a Boeing 777 for long)
2) even if there were a Ukrainian Su-25 near MH17, and Mark Galeotti and others deny this without directly denying it since they don’t wish to even direct attention to what eyewitnesses told the suppressed BBC report even by denying that, they rely on implicit misdirection. They insist that since the damage is on the wings and fuselage rather than to the engines that rules out a ‘heat seeker’ as if the only types of missiles a Su-25 could be equipped to fire are heat seeking. Galeotti also claims the warheads on air to air missiles are too small to cause such massive damage to MH17, omitting two possibilities: that a Su-25 was modified to carry bigger warhead/radar guided missiles like the AA-11 ‘Archer’ with warheads twice the size of the ‘Aphids’ which Ukraine has in stock. Also would be an ideal weapon because Su-25 ground attack jets normally don’t carry air to air rockets but can if these missiles can lock on with their own nose cone radar head rather than being guided by a radar in the jet itself. Using a Su-25 for air to air shootdown would also lend plausible deniability to the Ukies making it perfect for a false flag.
MOST likely, the purpose of the Ukie jet was to intercept, ID and then break off while the real killers operating the Ukie BUK launched. The other Ukie BUKs that were operating that day and tracking MH17 on their radars were unwitting participants in the conspiracy, thinking they were just involved in an exercise to practice shooting down Russian planes and that no actual SAMs would be fired. I think the latter explanation is the most conclusive and persuasive with the evidence we’ve already seen that the alleged NAF/Russian held BUK could NOT have shot MH17 and that the Ukie BUK ID’d by the Russian MoD presentation had far more.
It’s my hope Amb. Churkin will go full throttle and bring the Russian MoD presentation to the UN, rehashing it, directly daring Samantha Power to attack it, then go in for the verbal kill with whatever heretofore unreleased evidence Russia has including Ukie audio or ELINT showing a Ukie BUK radar painted MH17 or Ukie troops discussing what the hell just happened (which should have been released earlier since unlike Kiev’s SBU forgeries the lying Western MSM will always insist any alleged Ukie troops talking in Russian about an airliner going down is a SVR/GRU fabrication)
“I guess Girkin must have been in his MIG when he took credit for shooting down MH17.
This Russian Union of Putin Engineers’ report is what we call the stuff that comes out of the backend of a bull.
18 September, 2014 16:31
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Anonymous Anonymous said…
Pg. 14 of the report, entry holes 30mm gun?, it can’t be! Just one… maybe, if you insist (though unlikely).
777 speed = 250m/s
cannon rpm = 1500 i.e. 25 r/s
shooting normally (perpendicularly) at 777 => rounds spaced every …”
Sounds like you are intimately acquainted with the bowels of the bull and have only recently parted company~! They who pay you are getting ripped off big-time:)
Nard
“To place a couple of cannon rounds here and there along the entire 777 beast is one thing; to place a series of rounds on a very limited region exclusively is a DIFFERENT problem.”
Hey ace! Ya’ don’t have to squeeze the trigger each time you fire a round! Try harder if ya wanna troll, but I suggest you bone up on your comprehsive reading skills, or pick a softer target…ya’ know, like debating the color of Hillary’s bloomers overwhich requires less grasp of aviation matters?
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25034582/russia-threat-to-foil-mh17-inquiry/
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How will calling for answers “infuriate victims of MH17 crash”
Julie?????
Idiot.
The aerial gunnery troll might also spend a little time boning up on the subject. Good fighter pilots have been successfully concentrating fire on selected areas of a target aircraft, even at high angles of deflection, ever since Roland Garros bolted some deflector wedges onto the prop of a Morane-Saulnier to allow use of a fuselage mounted machine gun in April 1915.
Jews have suffered a long history of anti-Semitism in the West, much longer than 2000 years, it showed up in ancient Greece and ancient Rome. Anti-Semitism is rising in the USA, look at Jimmy Carter, Walt, Mearsheimer, Hagel, Buchanan, etc. The West has a tendency to have latent periods of philoSemitism punctuated by fierce, intense periods of anti-Semitism. The historical record is clear, i.e. Weimar Germany and ancient Rome. Remember, anti-Semitism in Russia was under the Geman Czars, Russia is ruled by Russians today, and it is a mistake to lump Jewish Zionists with Diaspora Jews. It is also a grave mistake to blame Stalin’s Soviet anti-Zionism on “Russian anti-Semitism.”
Israel is a new chapter in Jewish history. Alexander Dugin said that he is supportive of Zionism because Jews are trying to re-establish ties to the land. If they are showing signs of disassociating themselves from the living in exile forever, we should encourage and support it, not squash it. Nietzsche also wrote about how the Roman destruction of the Jewish Temple forced Judaism on a different path, a path of shame, fear, exile/diaspora, and decadence. Nietzsche wrote that Jews believed that they lost their homeland due to God’s punishment.
As time moves forward, Israel will find her roots as a strong, Eurasian country again. Israel practices a Semitic (Asian) religion, Asian values, and culture. Israel is in Asia, and the only way to achieve permanent security for Israel is to make peace with her Arab neighbors, as Nahum Goldman said. Israel belongs with the BRICS, where anti-Semitism will not occur, and not associated with West’s tragic and long history of persecution of Jews.
At least by the looks of things Russia are taking up the baton on MH17.
What they really need to do is show the Chinese the evidence and get the Chinese to make some statements about it.
Can’t China see that it could be set up for the same sort of BS in the future if it keeps quiet about MH17?
Surely the Chinese can see that. They need to support the Russian argument here – and they need to talk to the Malaysians and Germans (trade partners) about this.
Talking to the Germans will give the Germans the way out of the stupid EU sanctions. Keeping quiet leaves the Germans off the hook for actually making a decision in their own interests.
Someone mentioned the Poles and Katyn as if they did not have a valid issue there. The issue is very valid as a huge number of the officer cadre as well as intelligencia were murdered there.
The big issue is that the blame must be placed on those truly responsible. Russia gets the blame as most of the time the Soviet Union and Russia were being used interchangeably during the 20th century. In reality it is the Soviet Union’s sin and not Russia’s, especially since the orders were certainly given by Stalin himself, who was a Georgian (not Russian).
American Expat said…19 September, 2014 04:21
“Jews have suffered a long history of anti-Semitism in the West, much longer than 2000 years”
Yeah, I know, for example those Celts, who occupied much of Europe before Rome displaced them, regularly singled out Jews. It was the Celtic concentration camps for Jews 2500 years ago that directly inspired Hitler. We all know that now, thanks to “American”expat & co.
The ziospam gets sillier by the day.
вот так
http://www.globalresearch.ca/redrawing-the-map-of-the-russia-federation-partitioning-russia-after-world-war-iii/5400748