Seemyovka, Slavyansk, Kromatorsk and Donetsk City are under heavy artillery bombardment and aircraft bombing attacks for 2 hours and continuing. Civilian areas targeted. Civilian casualties are mounting, Donbas Army casualties unknown.
Data provided 25 Brigade located on Karachun Mountain overlooking Slavyansk has been order to fire Grad systems early morning 31 May 2014 in full salvo. 3 launchers in place. Commander refused the order and was removed.
Systems have been zeroed in and are ready to fire. Intent is ‘flatten Slavyansk’.
Source is reliable but not 100% verified.
It’s time for the Donbass forces to take those guns/GRADs on Karachun out.
American Kulak
welll maybe is time for this kozakoz and the chechens to enter in…..
Recall that a few days or weeks ago made mention of the arrival of the kozakoz, some mobilized from the Russian today Crimea, others crossed the traditional boundary as well as the arrival of Self-Defense Crimean and Chechen fighters . At the time I read Chechens, the first word associated through my mind was ” terrorist ” , however I felt totally absurd for well known reasons, the which is not worth addressing , then I came to mind battalions Vostok and Zapad, to what I came to ask if it would be possible to ex – members of such groupings arrived to reinforce their fellow pro-Russian , today has given me the answer, and which confirmed my suspicions.
If Chechen fighters who are now in Ukraine are the Vostok Battalion ; then I think it is highly likely and I think the time could give me the reason, if not you confirms it or denies earlier than among kozakoz reinforcements who came to Ukraine from Crimea and mainland Russia will also be the kozakoz Don and Terek , remember that as well , they did act of actual presence during the War of Georgia; I think what drives me , that if Chechen reinforcements on the ground , it is highly likely that the Russian kozakoz are in Ukraine to support their brothers kozakoz Ukrainians.
Something ironic : among advisers ” hired ” by the Ukrainian government , are elements of the Georgian Army , requested by his ” combat experience ” ; understand why the irony. Just remember the terror caused Vostok before his arrival in Gori … I think advisors still sound familiar name .
Well, we´ll find out how reliable “Juan” is in his intel and analysis tomorrow then. Quite a horrifying way to get vindicated, though.
/Hagen
@Saker. You talk of Anglo-Zionist Empire. Have you read the ‘Controversy of Zion’, by Douglas Reed? I recommend to read the last chapters of that book.
http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/index.htm
Exactly what Misha the Tie Eater now advising Poroshenko did to South Ossetia’s capital.
Poroshenko’s string pullers want war with Russia. Real shooting war with the Russian Army not with some Chechens and Ossetian militias.
American Kulak
Well, I am seeing similar reports on the “Вежливые Люди” website.
Shame on putin who betrayed his russian ethnics and ressurected nato jsut like medvedev ressurected nato in libyan blunder.
all to please his wetern enemies !
Peskov: Russia will deliver humanitarian aid to DPR, despite Kiev’s refusal (correct translation?). Russian criminal investigation into UA war crimes in Donetsk initiated. Gas debt: due. UN: forthcoming report on Odessa Massacre within ~2 weeks.
I’m not sure what this means:
Russian Lawmakers to Submit Bill on Ukraine’s Southeastern Regions’ Status
MOSCOW, May 30 (RIA Novosti) – Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) believes that Kiev is “illegally occupying” eight regions of the Southeast of Ukraine, and prepares a draft law on the status of these territories.
“Due to the unstable situation around the Southeastern part of Ukraine, the LDPR faction intends to submit a draft law on occupied territories of Russia in the nearest future,” the press service of the party reported.
“The Kiev government is illegally occupying all eight regions of the Southeast of Ukraine,” the press service stated, noting that the party hopes that these regions would be able to follow Crimea’s example and join Russia.
The Liberal Democratic Party believes that all the territories that once belonged to Russia or the Soviet Union should once again have the Russian flag fly over them, especially in those regions “where Russians have always lived, where they tamed all the lands, where they built cities, and first of all, these are the eight regions that want to be Novorossiya and that do not want to have anything in common with Ukraine anymore.”
Igor Strelkov once said the Karachun Mountain is defended by Polish volunteers with sniper guns supported by thermal seeing devices and thus tough to approach for attack.
BTW. Crazy Ivan started his own blog:
http://bit.ly/1k9zbFU
“Flattening Slavyansk” would be a PR disaster for the junta, and a pure gold for the Russian PR machine. Since the Ukrainians are advised by American image consultants, I don’t believe it’ll happen. Otherwise, pictures of it will be circulating even 100 years from now, just like pictures of Dresden abd Hiroshima do.
It also wouldn’t solve and only aggravate every single battlefield problem that Ukrainian side has, would swell the numbers of resistance fighters, would make Ukrainian leadership into war criminals, and subject Ukrainian state to devastating war reparations claims (and Ukrainians hate to pay for anything).
My prediction – it won’t happen.
the provocation will not stop.
unless Germany grows some stones.
Grease a city?
Haven’t seen that since Iraq.
Is it true that Lavrov’s daughter studied in USA at Columbia University and now still lives there ?
Is it true that one of Putin’s daughter lives in Holland with a dutch boyfriend ? The other one is married with the son of a rich tycoon from South Korea (strong ally of USA).
Some other powerful russian leaders seem to have strange connections with the West.
Russia is still officially member of the BIS bank from Basel (Bank of International Settlements, the mother of all banks controlled by the same clans who created the FED). So, if we escape from the FED we might go right into to arms of BIS !!!
Maybe, after all, Putin is controlled opposition, despite the faith that we all believe in him and see him as the last hope.
Despite the fact that Russia or Putin could ask the payments for the natural gas to be made in rubles (at least a percentage), which will give them a strong economical and financial leverage, no one from there is thinking about. Very strange. They are either beginners in the aspects of world finance or they really like to obey to the all-mighty dollar.
Maybe Putin has some magic master plan that will amaze the whole world, maybe he is just bluffing or maybe he is, like I said, controlled opposition. We need to consider all possibilities if we don’t want to be caught off-guard.
Already, many people from various blogs are starting to question more and more what Putin is doing. I’m talking about his fans.
Everyone who is upset with Putin’s patience and cool demeanor – chill out. Russians are absolutely correct not to invade every time someone fires a gun.
Let’s face it, Russians assembled Ukraine – and now they are being spit in the face by Ukronazis.
They gave Vilnius to Lithuania – now they are hated “occipiers”.
They freed Poland from Hitler – Poles are now buddies with Germans, while Russian cemeteries are being vandalized.
This time around, Putin will let locals and Russian volunteers do all the dirty work. This way Novorossia’s eventual freedom will taste so much sweeter. And Novorossians will be able to be proud of themselves.
This war looks small, but underneath it the giant geopolitical tectonic plates are being moved.
It can’t be a victimless affair.
People will die and will become either heroes (Donbasss folks fighting for their land and their culture) or villains (Ukro thugs and local traitors).
I may be proven wrong, but so far Putin looks a chess grandmaster to me.
It’s too early to judge and get all hysterical at this point.
Anonymous said…30 May, 2014 23:10
“Igor Strelkov once said the Karachun Mountain is defended by Polish volunteers with sniper guns supported by thermal seeing devices and thus tough to approach for attack.”
Plus I think they only have one mortar, so they cant really saturate an area to clear those snipers or flatten the banderivtsy artillery batteries. Strelkov seems to be very cautious and professional, which I think has paid off, since his forces seem to have been the most directly engaged, but had few casualties. All the while preventing the banderivtsy from making gains in the territory Strelkov’s forces are able to cover.
The 25th Airborne Brigade is supposed to have been disbanded, after one of its units surrendered and handed over BMDs in Sloviansk.
I don’t know what it means exactly. What happened to its personnel and equipment?
It seems that some units of the brigade is still active?
To Anonymous (00.02)
Why don’t you do your own research instead of asking loaded questions and tell us? It can’t be too hard with Internet and such…
As for bloggers questioning Putin, maybe they should go grab a gun and help in person.
Putin, btw, is a politician from St-Petersburg, and just because of that he is a reflexively pro-western guy. It took more than 10 years of insults, lies and
scheming by the West, to turn him into clear-eyed pragmatist and “Russia first” patriot.
Anonymous said…31 May, 2014 00:02
Your comment is a classic zionazi trolling technique. Your Jewish buddies in New York refer to it as “casting dispersions”, something they managed to hone into a local cultural “art form”.
Igor Strelkov once said the Karachun Mountain is defended by Polish volunteers with sniper guns supported by thermal seeing devices and thus tough to approach for attack.
Every position has its weaknesses. The Italians thought Mussolini was safely ensconced on top of a mountain until Otto Skorzeny came along.
One weakness of being up on a mountain is that everything you need has to come up (food, water, ammo) and thus subject to blockade and interdiction along the supply line.
Answer to a question “Is Putin doing enough?”.
Scorecard:
Crimea – done
Novorossia – good progress
Eurasian economic union – done
China gas deal – done
Ukraine on its knees – good progress
I don’t see how a case can be made for Putin just sitting there and doing nothing.
Hope VVP won’t prove me wrong.
Crossvader,
Americans don’t see any pictures of Hiroshima. Tokyo or Dresden. (I read Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo and John Hersey’s Hiroshima as a kid — which is a good chunk of why I’m so strongly anti-war — but I never even knew what we did to Dresden until I read Slaughterhouse Five as an adult, and hadn’t a clue what he was talking about. Most Americans still don’t.
So in the eyes of the rest of the world, it’s a horror, but here… nada. Poland and the rest of New Europe I am guessing are just fine with it; the real question is whether these war crimes and crimes against humanity will stiffen the spines of any EU leaders, or if they’ll keep on doing their best to look the other way.
Your guess?
I’m thinking we want war (and seeing those pictures from Hersey’s book in my mind’s eye, plus, oh God, so many more from so very many places). The MIC, Blackwater, Monsanto, Chevron et. al. smell profits, Neocon/Neoliberal Central are on a roll for Israel and bankster bucks, Soros and Omidyar don’t want to lose what they’ve already invested, and Obama’s just bopping along making empty speeches and doing whatever the hell it is he does — and who’s there to put on the brakes? Bob Corker of TN and his Republican cronies got the Senate to pass the Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014, which is a doozy.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-aggression-prevention-act-of-2014-another-u-s-style-violent-regime-change/5383970
I haven’t the heart to even summarize it; you’ll have to look at it yourself. But it’s obvious that the Republicans’ are convinced we haven’t gone far enough, and we are out to destroy Russia. I am not a drinking woman, but I need one, badly.
@ Crossvader 31 May, 2014 00:03
I do not want to touch off any flame war but if you know __nothing__ about few topics do not write about it.
> They freed Poland from Hitler – Poles are now buddies with Germans, while Russian cemeteries are being vandalized.
Poles were being murdered by Soviets during WW2 and after WW2 despite the liberation you mentioned. You do not know Polish history after WW2 so look at least to the topic please:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers
Poles are not buddies with Germans, only top brass politicians (the lower ranks as well, of course) sleep together (vide Merkel-Tusk). After entering EU Poland’s heavy and high-tech (then) industries (machinery, electro-machinery, electronics) were destroyed by Germans. Have you ever read about Mitteleuropa project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitteleuropa)?
Vandals can be found in every society. Cheap and demagogic trick of yours.
Geez, what a level of thinking…
A full scale attack on a city has no military objective and can only be intended as a provocation that cannot be ignored IMO.
the pessimist
Anonymous said…31 May, 2014 01:06
Another fascist Polish “patriot” who lives in the USA or Canada.
As a kid, I had these Polish immigrant neighbours, who upon later reflection, I am certain were one of those many nazi collaborators the USA imported after WW2. They were like an exaggerated satire of Polish jokes and the worst American rednecks combined. The Catholic, inbreeding sods were literally nazis in all but name and everybody in the town despised them.
“Juan”
Thank you for presenting all this material. What you’re doing is simply invaluable, and greatly appreciated. I’m just so horrified by all of it that I totally forgot my manners! But still, it’s better to know, than not. And we are still praying for you, your family, all of your sources, and their kin too. Actually, I go through the day praying for everyone over there, and anywhere else we’ve got our filthy, bloodsoaked hands. It’s spring here, the flowers are blooming and vegetables growing and I keep thinking what it must be like, this spring, over there. Spring, summer, fall, winter — maybe next spring people will be able to grow things again, watch them sprout and grow and flower and fruit? Please, God, let them.
>>>Is it true that one of Putin’s daughter lives in Holland with a dutch boyfriend ? The other one is married with the son of a rich tycoon from South Korea (strong ally of USA).
In USSA, we have concept of “jock sniffer” those who love to hang around young athletes on scholarship at university. Many old fart donors love to rub elbows on the sidelines with such.
Now we have the Putin Sniffers?
Look, he is rich, and he lives on the same world as you and I. He is connected to a relatively small “Kevin Bacon 7 degrees of separation” mathematical set of potential acquaintances.
Ultimately, his children will not be hanging out with the untouchables in India. This says more about India than Putin.
Pull head out of Asterisk, Putin Sniffers.
Russia is not Putin. Putin is a man and he will die some day, Perhaps, while bare chested on a Zebra. Who cares?
Putin plays a mean game of chess, bro. I no sniff him.
-js
peake.blog
Anon at 30 May, 2014 23:10 thanks for the tip on the Polish mercs presence at Karachun. I knew there had to be some reason it hadn’t been attacked already as the ‘high ground’ around which most of the Slavyiansk skirmishes have been flowing over the last few weeks.
But can the Polish mercs defend themselves if the resistance ‘borrows’ an armed remotely piloted kamikaze Russian air force drone? I’m guessing no if it comes in low before they can react, especially at night. The more simpler alternative is probably for Strelkov’s guys to get their hands on a (reassembled) arty piece and hit Karachun hard with surprise fire right when the troops there are changing shifts.
American Kulak
@Anonymous 31 May, 2014 01:06
Poles vs Soviets vs Nazis:
While I do not know much about WWII history, isn’t choosing between Nazis and Soviets a no-brainer for the Poles? Had Nazis won, Poles would have had to make way for German lebenstraum. If I remember correctly, the Polish and the Russians were considered inferior barbarians by the Nazis, to be subject to whatever fate is chosen for them by the superior German race.
I say this because the virulent anti-Russian feeling of the Poles makes no sense to me (in far away India). Can you point to some literature about this in English please?
By the way:
http://eng.globalaffairs.ru/pubcol/A-Russian-Katyn-14949
@js, on Unaccountability:
Unaccountability is not practiced in India (for many decades now).
A person belonging to “Extremely Backward Caste” (which is an official designation) was just elected the Prime Minister of India.
As for prior threads — I will stay on topic, and keep coming here to discuss Ukraine and not other issues. However, I am re-posting these links so people can see that a lot of 2nd Amendment/gun rights loving American Patriot movement types understand at least partly what’s going on:
“And know always that anyone understanding the formula of private property and individual freedom is an ally for prosperity and the defeat of the ruling classes, whether you are a Thai marcher in Bangkok, a Novorussian freedom fighter in Donetsk, a Christian home-church leader in Zhejiang, or a Three Percenter building his family’s cabin in the American Redoubt.”
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/fascism-fusa-and-the-future-2/
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/novorossiya/
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/fusa-meet-feu/
American Kulak
Anonymous (01.06)
What you just inadvertently displayed in your post is a typical Polish “eternal victimhood” complex…the most repulsive part of Polish mentality.
In Polish mind – mostly small and venomous – whatever Poles do, no matter how terrible and morally repugnant, is always fine. But whatever Russians and Germans do – no matter how good and generous – is always wrong.
Thanks for confirming once more what I already knew.
My greetings to every decent Pole, who managed to get out of Polish “victimhood” matrix and become a normal person . I have no qarrel with you.
Anonymous (02.04)
Poles starved to death and killed by desease 100 000 Red Army soldiers in 1920s in Pilsudski’s concentration camps.
Katyn pales in comparison.
Russians could dwell on it day and night, but being decent and good people, they forgive Poles and move on.
Do you see the difference?
Few things about Poles
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html
Before Katyn
http://strategic-culture.org/news/2011/08/14/must-poles-care-for-russian-graves.html
http://orientalreview.org/2010/07/31/episode-4-who-ignited-the-first-world-war-i/
Anonymous said…31 May, 2014 01:42
This kind of behaviour is why gays get themselves discriminated against. :D
Nora,
I don’t think Uks will level Slaviansk. It won’t solve a single Ukrainian problem, but will add many.
With internet, even Americans and Europeans will know the truth.
Also, I think you continuosly overstimate the craziness of your ruling elite. They are cowards. They are not stealing all these billions from their own working class folks, buliding all these mansions and racketeering empires, only to die in a nuclear blast from a Russian warhead. They want to live. Very much so.
All their bluster is just a “good cop -bad cop” routine. These clowns don’t scare anyone in Russia.
@anonimous 31 May, 2014 01:13
Poles in World War II dug their graves themselves. Twice.
Thanks to an idiot Colonel Beck and known idiotized Poles’ Russophobia, it was natural that they were slaughtered by the Germans and then harassed by the Russians.
And Poland, whose enormous arrogance is only surpassed by its huge stupidity will, again, provoke the Russians, lending the country as a base of operations for Western killers.
The country is poor, militarily weak, politically reactionary and geopolitically important.
And Beck is still alive there … and they will never learn.
Karuchun Mountain is not a mountain in the classic sense. It is the highest edifice in the area and the sight of the local television and cell tower just outside the built up area of Slavyansk.
The Feds occupied it couple weeks or more ago and the Nats attacked and took it from them.
The ‘mountain’ and TV tower is visible in vids of the area quite often. The Nats have arty posted around the tower and spread out in the surrounding copses of trees. You can see them firing in some vids of the area.
The Feds have no artillery that I know of.
Crossvader,
Lord, I hope you’re right! I may be wrong about the degree of crazy but I’ll go to my grave convinced of their arrogance, foolhardiness, stupidity and complete and utter lack of concern for anyone other than themselves. And the American public are unaware and incurious, too wrapped up in their own lives to bother looking past the pablum they’re fed; that’s not so true about Europe but we’ve always been like that and since we became “the world’s greatest superpower”, well, why should such totally exceptional people have any interest in, you will excuse me, other lesser beings? (I do hope you know I’m being sarcastic here!) But the point is, whoever is running this show — all the people involved in calling the shots — they’re not Ukrainian, they’re American, and They. Don’t. Care. About. Solving. Ukrainian. Problems. They’ve got Russia in their sights and, hell, Crossvader, look at Iraq — the oil companies are making a fortune there now and the suffering people, and dead people, never were a problem here. They just weren’t. Neither was or is the fact that it is, essentially, a failed state. They’ve got their oil, they ended up with a lot of essentially free money, and that’s all that ever did matter. Same with Ukraine. All they’re thinking is Russia — they can’t compete anymore on a level playing field (i.e., economic), so they’re gonna level the field any way they can. And I do think they believe that, when push comes to (nuclear) shove, Putin will blink.
He’s moral enough to — we’re certainly not.
@Anonymous 31 May, 2014 01:06
Poles vs Soviets vs Nazis:
Crossvader said..31 May, 2014 00:03
“They freed Poland from Hitler …”
don’t you people have a stake in the quality of this site?
Hitler invaded Poland from the west; 2 wks later
Stalin (that means Russia) invaded from the east.
does the name “Katyn” mean anything to you?
Russian troops sat across the river (Visla) as Nazi
divisions crushed the Warsaw Uprising.
the first thing the Soviet imposed Secret Police apparatus (UB whose entire directorate was Jewish)
did was seek out and murder the officer corps of the anti-Nazi Resistance.
then Russia colonized Poland till 1990.
do some effing homework before you shoot your mouths off.
Bogdan
..
Ekonomski savjetnik ruskog predsjednika Vladimira Putina, Sergej Glazjev, koji se do sada nije pretjerano isticao glede komentiranja situacije u Ukrajini, učinio je iznimku za vrijeme prisustvovanja potpisivanju Euroazijske ekonomske unije ovog tjedna u glavnom gradu Kazahstana (opširnije o sastanku: Stvaranje moćne Euroazijske ekonomske unije i bez Ukrajine – Rusija, Kazahstan, Bjelorusija).
Glazjev ističe kako SAD želi uvući Rusiju u rat. Navodi kako je cilj SAD-a izazvati rat između Rusije i europskih zemalja te kako bi od toga SAD ekonomski profitirao. Nadalje, ističe kako je i u prošlosti SAD profitirao od svakog rata na teritoriju Europe.
“SAD sada potpaljuje rat u Ukrajini, nakon što su organizirali puč i postavili svoje ljude na vlast. Sada želi iskoristiti Ukrajinu kao detonator između Rusije i Europe”, rekao je Glazjev u razgovoru s novinarima.
http://www.advance.hr/vijesti/ekonomski-savjetnik-ruskog-predsjednika-sergej-glazjev-ukrajina-je-americki-detonator-protiv-rusije-svaki-rat-u-europi-ide-na-ruku-sad-u-i-sada-zele-uvuci-rusiju-u-rat-protiv-europskih-drzava/
American Kulak,
Left a message 4U on that other post. Please do look at it and let me know what you think, ok? ;~)
For several years RIA Novosti was morphing into USA Novosti. Don’t you have the same impression, do you?
‘Unaccountability’: please read ‘untouchability’. (And for ‘lebenstraum’, read ‘lebensraum’.) Sorry for the mistakes.
—
Here is an intriguing explanation for the Polish “eternal victimhood”:
“I sometimes suspect that many East Europeans feel they will lose their identity as bulwarks against barbarianism if Russia ever becomes a normal country, so unconsciously they try to stop it. It’s going to be tough for the Poles when they have to go head to head with Russians on culture alone.”
http://jackmatlock.com/2014/03/obama’s-confrontation-over-ukraine-has-increased-putin’s-support-at-home/
(Jack Matlock was US ambassador to USSR from 1987 to 1991. In the above passage, he is quoting someone else.)
Also, that Poles have made their peace with Germany, but oppose Russia tooth-and-nail seems to be opportunism of the same class as Israel (and Jews) making its peace with Germany, but opposing Poland. Both Poland and Israel have received a lot of money (and political support) from Germany as payment for “forgiveness”.
Nora,
I’ve read the “globalresearch” piece.
And I’ll tell you two things:
1. If Russia could be “severely” punished, it would be punished already. Russia cannot be sanctioned to the extent some loons want. World economy will grind to a halt without Russian inputs.
2. Corker, McCain, Rubio and other blocks of wood masquerading as US lawmakers are far bigger threat to America than they are to Russia. All their huffing and puffing is non-event as far as Moscow is concerned. I hope you won’t damage your health by taking their idiocy too close to heart.
“What you just inadvertently displayed in your post is a typical Polish “eternal victimhood” complex…the most repulsive part of Polish mentality.” A complex exceeded only by that of Balts and Western Ukrainians, who can never acknowledge their ancestors as anything other than victims. Imagine if Germans only discussed the Allied bombing campaign which admittedly sluaghtered 100s of thousands in Hamburg and Dresden primarily.
What’s disgusting to me isn’t so much people being people and telling themselves lies about their history (some Stalin nostalgics in Russia included). It’s when people who know better like Yale Prof. Timothy Synder spread the lie of eternal victimhood, or even find ways to spin the victimizer past of a certain country into their twisted Narrative of the present and future. In Snyder’s case, Ukraine is at the heart of Europe despite most of the country aside from Galicia being on Europe’s periphery for most of its history.
American Kulak
Fouché said…
@anonimous 31 May, 2014 01:13
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A brief history of Poland’s Promethean endeavor was set down on February 12, 1940, by Edmund Charaszkiewicz, a Polish military intelligence officer whose responsibilities from 1927 until the outbreak of World War II in Europe in September 1939 had included the coordination of Poland’s Promethean program. Charaszkiewicz wrote his paper in Paris after escaping from a Poland overrun by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.[4]
“The creator and soul of the Promethean concept [wrote Charaszkiewicz] was Marshal Piłsudski, who as early as 1904, in a memorandum to the Japanese government, pointed out the need to employ, in the struggle against Russia, the numerous non-Russian nations that inhabited the basins of the Baltic, Black and Caspian Seas, and emphasized that the Polish nation, by virtue of its history, love of freedom, and uncompromising stance toward [the three empires that had partitioned Poland out of political existence at the end of the 18th century] would, in that struggle, doubtless take a leading place and help work the emancipation of other nations oppressed by Russia.”[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism
Anonymous 04:30
Thank you! They get it, and aren’t going to fall for our nonsense!!! Hooray!!! Not going to make life any easier in Novorossiya right now, but fewer people, ultimately, will suffer and die. And I rather think Russia will figure out ways of stopping the carnage. Glad I’m not VVP, though, I will say that!
Here is Google Translate: Economic Advisor to Russian President Vladimir Putin , Sergei Glazjev , which so far is not overly stressed with regard to commenting on the situation in Ukraine , made an exception for the time to attend the signing of the Eurasian Economic Union this week in the capital of Kazakhstan ( read more about the meeting : Creating a powerful Eurasian Economic Union and without Ukraine – Russia , Kazakhstan , Belarus ) .
Glazjev says that the U.S. wants to pull in Russia in the war . He states that the goal of the U.S. to start a war between Russia and European countries as well as to that of the United States economically benefited . Furthermore , according to the United States in the past benefited from every war in the territory of Europe .
” The United States is fueling the war in Ukraine, after they staged a coup and set up their own people in power . Ukraine now wants to use as a detonator between Russia and Europe ,” said Glazjev in an interview with reporters .
Crossvader,
I’ll agree about those creeps but holy smokes, it made it through the entire Senate. THAT bothers me. (Though it shouldn’t — they’re ALL blocks of wood. Some are just denser than others.)
American Kulak
Well now, here’s something we TOTALLY agree on! I can’t speak to your first paragraph — don’t know enough Poles or Balts to make any judgment — but Timothy Snyder is an unmitigated whore, and very well-compensated indeed for his — oh, I’m too much of a lady to type the rest…
Glazyev said the situation in Ukraine was already a “de facto war”.
“Any war in Europe results in great gains for America, in the strengthening of its geopolitical influence, and they are sticking to their tradition,”
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0E91CW20140529?irpc=932
Bogdan,
“Sitting on Visla” episode is a figment of Polish imagination and a hoax.
After long march and non-stop combat, Soviets had neither energy nor requisite resourses to immediately storm through a major European river. So they waited until they got some rest and equipment.
Only a Pole can find a fault in that. Why should Stalin have risked Russian lives only because British-based Polish exiles had miscalculated with their little show and never bothered to coordinate with the Soviets?
Partition of Poland in 1939 indeed cannot be justified, just like Polish participation in brutalizing Afghans and Iraqis cannot be justified today.
Everybody makes mistakes, you see…
I am done arguing with the Poles. They are hopeless case.
From Weapons Department
Karachun is a hill but it’s called a mountain. If there were 5 000 Feds with appropriate weapons (not necessarily heavy ones) they could overrun every Nats camps and blockposts.
What they lack today is a “laser gun” which is able to blind every optical device and burn out an eye of every sniper. The f**** thugs in Donietsk Airport’s roof would become very nice and darn polite.
And one thing from psy-op operations – blinding snipers on Karachun Mountain should be performed with spreading info about arrival of Chechen battalion. :) The howitzers would change hands and many other weaponry with ammunition. You bet! :)
Victimhood = Supremacy
It should be clear that none of the people commenting here benefit from this ideology.
Instead, consider who does and at what cost.
@ Crossvader 31 May, 2014 04:53
Poland together with Germany partitioned Czechoslovakia in those years as well.
But you make one error. Poles are what they are not only due to “being helpless case” – it wasn’t engraved in their DNA.
Years of indoctrination, state education and brainwashing. The real history “schoolbooks” are printed in 500 copies and available only for “certified” historians at university libraries. All the other history books are BS not worth to be kept in hands in bookstore.
Fouché said…
@anonimous 31 May, 2014 01:13
Poles in World War II dug their graves themselves. Twice.
Thanks to an idiot Colonel Beck and known idiotized Poles’ Russophobia, it was natural that they were slaughtered by the Germans and then harassed by the Russians.
And Poland, whose enormous arrogance is only surpassed by its huge stupidity will, again, provoke the Russians, lending the country as a base of operations for Western killers.
The country is poor, militarily weak, politically reactionary and geopolitically important.
And Beck is still alive there … and they will never learn.
31 May, 2014 03:52
and you are from where sir?
this is just shit. Poland was partitioned for 100 yrs. the Russian occupation attempted to destroy the language and the culture. (i know because my grandfather served time for teaching the language and literature).
Beck or no Beck, Poland was squeezed btw two regional super-powers going insane. there was no way out.
on the run up to the Nazi invasion, Poland was betrayed by its allies – France and England. then, it had the biggest and most effective resistance in Europe; at enormous cost.
“harassed by the Russians”: you’re referring to Stalinization, Mr Fouche?
beginning in 1956, after 5 attempts to challenge the Communist state, Solidarity brought down the
Soviet Empire, (tho the Afghans don’t get the credit they deserve.) the spiritual base of that movement remains unmatched in modern history.
(i’ve written on it).
the Poles have damn good reason to be paranoid
about Russia. the record of “good guy Russia”, even including the wreckage under Yeltsin, is scarcely 25 yrs old. (that i personally regret their
commitment to NATO is irrelevant).
is bashing the Poles and sanitizing Russian history
to be an ongoing thread on this site?
2nd thought “Fouche” maybe you’re not worth a response.
Bogdan
(sorry if post is repetitive. i don’t know if it’s working)
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Crossvader said…31 May, 2014 04:53
Bogdan,
“Sitting on Visla” episode is a figment of Polish imagination and a hoax.
if i remember, that was 50 days.
both my parents were in the Warsaw Uprising.
Russian forces across the Visla refused landing rights to Allied aircraft to supply the Uprising. true the Russian forces had pursued a long offensive, but Stalin let the Nazis do his dirty work.
once in control of the country, the Secret Police Apparatus pursued the Resistance with viciousness, not just the anti-communist forces, but the AK.
i don’t know what the Polish role in Afghanistan has been. it’s been quiet. in Iraq, their quarter was largely pacified and their role one of policing. when Abu Graib (?) went public, the Poles formally refused to turn any more prisoners over to American forces.
Poland has not cozied up to Germany. Poland entered the EU, and intends to enter the Eurozone as soon as Europe cleans up. German centrality is a fact of life.
personally i believe the Polish gov’t has made the wrong choice supporting Ukrainian accession to NATO, as has the EU; but Russian credibility has a very, very short track record.
your arguments are hackneyed and shallow. i don’t even think you’re lying.
Bogdan
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This is humbling. Yet another Ukrainian soldier has refused to obey illegal orders, as have well over a thousand by now.
Where does this sense of honour come from? Our side has no such inhibitions. The SAS will happily work with anyone nasty, from the Khmer Rouge to al-Qa’eda.
Who refused to fight illegally in Syria? Nobody. In Libya? Nobody. In Iraq? One RAF doctor. In Kosovo? Two – the pop singer James Blunt refused to obey Clark’s order to keep the Russians out of Pristina airport, and his general backed him up.
We have been violating all the rules of war systematically for well over a decade, yet can still number all the objectors comfortably on the fingers of one hand.
What is wrong with us? Why, with supposedly the best training in the world, can’t our troops match the moral courage of the ordinary, neglected Ukrainian soldier?
@ crossvader,
Q: Otherwise, pictures of it will be circulating even 100 years from now, just like pictures of Dresden abd Hiroshima do.
R: I agree with your thought/s, but would point out that both Germany [Dresden] and Japan [Hiroshima] lost the war.
When I stood at ‘ground zero’ in Hiroshima, it was hard to imagine that an atomic bomb had exploded overhead that killed roughly 70,000 people instantly… The pictures of all the burned corpses in Dresden, after the firebombing were likewise horrible. War is horrible, no matter where, why or how.
Bogdan:
do some effing homework before you shoot your mouths off.
Lets look at it another way.
Poland invaded Russia in 1920-1921 and took a huge swath of Russia including Vilnius, Minsk, and Lvov.
Russia took back half of Poland and saved millions from the Nazis, both by making their inevitible invasion of Russia (in planning by Hitler and the OKH since 1922) longer, and also by evacuating people from in front of the German armies.
During the German occupation, millions of Poles were expelled from their homes, sent to concetration camps, had their children kidnapped from them and given to German families, and lost their land.
During the German occupation, Ukrainians massacred hundreds of thousands of Poles with the aquiescence of the Germans, while their only comrades were the Russian/Rusyn Partisans.
On her way back west Russia expelled the Germans and gifted Poland with Masuria, Danzig, Pommerania, Stettin, and Silesia, including all their heavy industry and port facilities, and arranged for the humane rescue of the remaining Polish population in Ukraine from the Bandera thugs and their resettlement in the former German territories. The Polish population in Belarus and Lithuania was allowed to remain among peaceful Russians and Lithuanians and lives there until this very day.
Russia occupied Poland and East Germany until the successful completion of the reeducation of the majority of the German populace from Naziism, so that Germany would no longer pose a threat to her neighbors – Poland and Russia.
Polish culture was permitted to thrive during the occupation with a high birthrate, the Catholic Church mostly left alone, and the Russians fostered the reeducation and restoration of a Polish intellectual class in both Polish and Russian universities to replace the population of intellectuals lost to the Nazis.
I know, such terrible “oppression” by Russia. I guess you think it would have been better being left to the tender mercies of the German campaign of racial cleansing and Germanization of the “Aryan” remnant of Poland.
Partition of Poland in 1939 indeed cannot be justified, just like Polish participation in brutalizing Afghans and Iraqis cannot be justified today.
Really? Why not? It was not justified for Russia to take back her people and lands Poland had won by armed invasion 18 years earlier?
I have greatest respect for Ukraine soldiers who refuse to shoot at their brothers even if doing so put their own lives at risk.
@Bogdan 31 May, 2014 06:05
“…(i know because my grandfather served time for teaching the language and literature)”.
Sure! And you learned History with your grandfather. Ok.
“Beck or no Beck…”
Sure. It’s easy and comfortable disregard our own mistakes and blame others for then.
“Poland was squeezed btw two regional super-powers going insane.”
But don’t you call insane the blindness behavior of the Poland face the German menace?
Better Hitler than Stalin, uh?
Moreover the Russian army “had no value” according to Beck. Better joining to Germans.
“on the run up to the Nazi invasion, Poland was betrayed by its allies – France and England.”
Agree. Like they did with Tchecoslovakia WITH Poland and Hungary help.
But, again, blame the others. Poland had no guilt for its blindness. It never has. Even now.
And so on.
According to British Professor of Modern History at Kings College London the idea that the Soviets sat back and let the Warsaw Rising be crushed is not correct.
Richard Overy Russia’s War Penguin pp 247-9
“It has long been conventional in the West to hold Stalin and the Red Army responsible, indirectly, for the horrors that befall Warsaw…The truth is far more complicated than this. The Warsaw Rising was instigated not to help out the Soviet advance but to forstall it. Polish nationalist did not want Warsaw liberated by the Red Army but wanted to do so themselves, as a symbol of the liberation struggle and the future independence of Poland… What Polish nationalists and the Western Allies could not tolerated was the almost certain fact that any new state born of German defeat would be dominated by the Soviet Union. The Polish government in exile in London, led by Stanislaw Mikolajczk, urged the Home Army to launch a pre-emptive nationalist insurrection and remained unalterably opposed to any idea that the Soviet Union should keep the territory seized in 1939.
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The real issue was not political but military. Could the Red Army have captured Warsaw in 1944 and saved its population from further German barbarism? The answer now seems unambiguously negative. Soviet forces did not simply sit and play while Warsaw burned. The city was beyond their grasp. In the first days of August the most advanced Soviet units were engaged in bitter fighting on the approaches to the city; the small bridgeheads over the Vistula were subject to a fierce German onslaught. To the north both sides desperately contested the crossing of the Bug and Narew rivers, which might have opened another avenue to the Polish capital. This was hardly inactivity though it could little benefit the Poles. Stalin was completely, and no doubt correctly, dismissive of the military potential of the Polish army… Soviet commanders knew that this was not like Kiev or Minsk; their forces were tired and short of arms, and the Germans had made the defence of the Warsaw district a priority. Late in August 1944 General Rokossovsky, whose troops were tied down on the Warsaw front told a British war correspondent that “the rising would have made sense only if we were on the point of entering Warsaw. That point had not been reached at any stage. We were pushed back…” When Zhukov was sent to the Warsaw front in early September to report to Stalin on the confused situation there, he concluded on military grounds that the Vistula could not yet be crossed in force. German war memoirs, which are less suspect as a source, confirm that the Red Army was prevented form helping Warsaw by the stiffening resistance of the German defence.
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Some effort was made to help the insurgents. Churchill and Roosevelt were shocked by Stalin’s attitude to the rising; they began to drop arms and supplies from heavy bombers, but the quantities were tiny… The accuracy of high altitude parachute drops was negligible, and it is likely that most of the material fell into German hands. That was Stalin’s reason for not dropping supplies. There was little military realism behind the Western plan. It is out of the question that Allied air drops could have sustained Polish resistance in Warsaw for long; they were gestures prompted by humanity certainly, but by politics as well. When Stalin finally relented in September and began to drop supplies into the surviving pockets of resistance in Warsaw, he was almost certainly motivated by politics alone. No doubt he did welcome the destruction of anti Soviet Polish nationalism, which was certain by this stage. But even his Polish Communist allies wanted some kind of gesture towards the fate of their future capital, and by early September the military situation had altered. The Polish 1st Army under General Berling joined the the front line opposite Warsaw on August 20. On September 10 the attack was renewed; this time the Praga, the eastern suburb of Warsaw on the Soviet side of the Vistula, was captured. Air shipments by low level parachute drops began. The Polish 1st Army then launched its own attack across the Vistula into Warsaw itself, but after heavy losses was forced on September 23rd to retreat back across the river. Even at this late stage the Polish Home Army distrusted their pro Communist compatriots so much that they refused to co-ordinate their operations with the new attacking force. A week later they surrendered, victims not so much of cynical Stalinist calculation but of their own nationalist fervour
Nora said…..,
“Americans don’t see any pictures of Hiroshima. Tokyo or Dresden. (I read Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo and John Hersey’s Hiroshima as a kid — which is a good chunk of why I’m so strongly anti-war — but I never even knew what we did to Dresden until I read Slaughterhouse Five as an adult, and hadn’t a clue what he was talking about. Most Americans still don’t.”
Dearest Nora,
Yes, Kurt Vonnegut, my favorite writer. Miss him as he is dead now.
Have you seen “The Fog of War”?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War
As an antiwar, you will love it.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Robert 31 May, 2014 17:41
Many thanks for reference, Robert.
Cheers.
Mohamed,
Yes, re: Vonnegut. The world seems like an emptier place now that he’s gone. I’m now thinking, btw, that Galapagos may be my favorite — have you read it?
And, Omigosh, NO, to the McNamara flick — I still get shudders just hearing his name! One of the most powerful images I remember from that era is a cover on Esquire magazine where — I Googled but can’t find it so I can’t be sure — but as I remember it, there were two opened cartons of Kennedy’s brain trust, Schlesinger, McNamara, Rusk, I forget who-all else. And the first, they were just Hahvahd eggheads, right. But the second, i.e., post-recognition that Viet Nam was a disaster — they were all cracked and broken and runny and you knew they smelled to high heavens. I *might* consent to look at that cover again, but I don’t think I could stand to even see a picture of McNamara.
If you haven’t read Galapagos, Mohamed, do pick it up and let me know what you think!
Dearest Nora,
I haven’t read Galapagos, and I might pick it at Amazon.com
My favorite one is Timequake. It is very beautiful and sad. Mostly about WW2.
Talking about WW2, “The Fog of War” shows what war crimes were committed by McNamara in Japan and Korea. It is must movie to watch. Not so much about Vietnam. McNamara has a long, long history.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Mohamed,
I’m going to have to opt out on “Fog of War”. I just so viscerally loathe that man I can’t even imagine willingly subjecting myself to ANYTHING having anything whatever to do with him! It’s just a very strong, very long-term gut-level thing and it would take more effort to surmount than I believe he’s worth. I’ll read your synopsis though. Grrrrr — just thinking about him makes my blood boil as I type!! ;~)